He could have still had Harry living with the Dursleys, and being under the love protection, while _checking in_ on him and intimidating the Dursleys into not _neglecting_ Harry
Right?! That was a big gamble that still left Harry with subtle psychological scars of abuse. Harry could have been killed (even accidentally with the way the abuse was going) or developed a much darker personality etc. And I refuse to believe he couldn't do what you suggested
It’s against wizarding law to threaten and intimidate muggles he did it once that was enough for him but I agree with you he could have asked literally any witch or wizard to go to the house check on him and make sure he was ok but it was set in the 90s I think people forget that and honestly being a kid in the 90s I can say that the level of abuse Harry got was not uncommon
@@pitbullgaming9031 Exactly. I don't think these lots have read the book. In the 7th book, it is clearly mentioned that Dumbledore's father was seen as "a muggle hatter". Not only that but also Dumbledore was seen the same when he started school i.e. a muggle hatter. So if he would have threatened the Dursleys, the ministry and people like Rita would have made his life hell. He might again have to live being referred to as "a muggle hatter" for the rest of his life.
Learning to love the ugly side of yourself is key to being whole. Knowing his dark side through this video ironically sheds light on him and just makes me love him more. I wouldn't go as far as to use the word evil though....
Even someone who can see things from many angles can't always know exactly what will happen. Plus, seeing every possibility in a plan can spawn moral dilemmas. Plus, he made mistakes in the past, but a wise man learns from his mistakes. Dumbledore gained wisdom with age and experience.
Wait what's wrong with slughorn?? He was a bit shallow sure but a competent potions teacher and his loyalty itself was never in question. He actively hid from the deatheaters and joined the fight against them in the end
Yeah but he still used him as bait and kept him in a mentally and physically abusive household then proceeded to ignore him for the rest of the year when his classmates, teachers and friends were all against him let’s not also forget how traumatized he was after seeing Voldemort literally come back and he kept important information from Harry and when he died he left three seventeen-year olds to figure it out for themselves so I’d say he’s pretty evil
Dumbledore evil? I disagree, however his character was a clear example of "the end justifies the means", he wanted a good ending no matter the cost, be it his life, Harry's life or anyone else, to be fair the old Dumbledore showed us that he didn't care about his life, in fact I would even go as far as to say that if Voldemort did truly die he could have chosen to suicide at any point, he was already living on memories and regret, I would even say that he was depressed, but he still had something to do, to stop Voldemort and that was the only motivation that maintained him alive.
Dumbledore did not let the Dementors Rome the grounds of Hogwarts they were actually forbidden from coming on the grounds and he was pissed every time they did
I think Dumbledore feared the dementors going after him, so he used the students as an excuse to keep them away from school grounds Dementors feed on trauma and a person's fears, if people seen him being attacked the question would be asked, what would Dumbledore have to be afraid of That answer is his family and personal relationship with Grindlewald
@@abdirahmanidris290 did you bother to read my comment?! Its about the dementors and how they feed on trauma, Dumbledore kept his sister a secret as he didn't know who killed her, and Dumbledore bears responsibility for how she died
@@tigerz8174 not exactly harry wanted to end Voldemort. ''I want finished and I want to do it. Harry said that himself. Voldemort was the one how wanted the prophecy fulfilled.
@NoMoreDreams To quote Steve Rogers, and the character I *KNOW* would rip Ol' Dumbles to shreds. *"We don't trade lives." - Steve Rogers/Captain America (Avengers: Infinity War - 2018)*
I felt like Dumbledore never left the Idea of Greater Good. He knew from the end of the 4th year that Harry has to die and he just made him strong enough to sacrifice himself. As he said Harry was a really selfless person,but he wasn't. He loved his family but he too wanted glory, a talented wizard like Dumbledore would ofcourse like to do bigger things in his life than parenting his young sister and Brother. But that's the part where he lost his emotional attachments,and had it not been for Aberforth, or even Ariana, we might have another great dark Wizard. Dumbledore always had a "bigger plan on work". He turned Snape with him just to investigate Voldemort and his orders. His behavior with Sirius was unnatural too. But I even think that No man can be Flawless,no man can be perfect. And a man like Dumbledore who always wanted "Greater Good" even planned his own death at the hands of Snape just because he didn't want Draco to shatter his soul. After battle of Department of Mysteries he himself confronted that he loved Harry and he cared for him,that's why he was unable to tell him about the Prophecy in 4 years. All of his decisions,although questionable,still paid Good. His way of giving clues was a bit Irritating ,but when the right time came,they were all useful. So I feel like Dumbledore was a great thinker and even emotional person who just to see his family back ,wore a ring that ultimately killed him. This is why he is my favorite charecter in the series,beating Severus Snape on several measures.
Part 1: It's really sad that by the end of Book 7 we learned that Harry was no "great wizard" or really even a hero at all. He was just a naïve boy/teenager brainwashed and manipulated by Dumbles into suicide for a cause. It proved no different than any other child brainwashed and manipulated by religious extremists (almost always Islamic) into strapping explosives to themselves and blowing themselves up along with, "the enemy." After all, in those adults' minds, it too is for, "the greater good." I hope you'll excuse my extreme disgust with any adults using children in a war and knowingly setting them up to die. It's an ultimate evil to use a child like that, no matter what the cause or reasons may be, and it DEFINITELY makes Dumbles every bit as much a monster as Voldy. OotP, Chapter 37, Dumbles to Harry: "Five years ago you arrived at Hogwarts Harry, safe and whole, as I had planned and intended, well - not quite whole. You had suffered. I knew you would when I left you on your aunt's and uncle's doorstep. I knew I was condemning you to ten dark and difficult years." HBP, Chapter 3, Dumbles to the Dursleys: "He has known nothing but neglect and often cruelty at your hands." "The magic I evoked fifteen years ago means that Harry has powerful protection while he can still call this house 'home'. However miserable he has been here, however unwelcome, however badly treated, you have at least, grudgingly, allowed him houseroom." What Dumbles did was no different than kidnapping an African-American infant and forcing the poor child onto a family of Ku Klux Klan supporters with a threat to provide the child a home. Harry received the same treatment you'd expect for that poor child assuming (s)he wasn't killed outright, don't you think? Sure, he survived, but as nothing more than a horribly abused slave of the Dursleys. It was stated clearly that Harry's abuse was physical as well as mental and emotional. There was mention of Petunia striking him over the head with a hot frying pan in the kitchen as well as Vernon's comment about nothing being impossible to 'beat' out of the "freak" implying that beatings were common. Then of course they also encouraged Dudley's 'Harry Hunting' and attacks on the, "freak." Dumbles could've done something to ensure that Harry's childhood wasn't dark and difficult but instead chose not to and, in doing so, he proved that 'dark and difficult' childhood was, in fact, precisely what he really wanted Harry to suffer through. The Wizarding World is full of charms and potions compelling particular behavior. It would've definitely been preferable and much happier for both Harry and the Dursleys if Dumbles had at the very least used a Compulsion Ward or Charm to ensure Harry was at least accepted, if not loved, by the Dursleys. After all, his living with them was deemed by Dumbles to be necessary regardless of them clearly not wanting Harry. Thus he proved, by forcing Harry upon them, that they lacked any real free will in the matter; that what they wanted was unimportant, anyway, in the much greater need for Harry's safety. (Dumbles's Howler to Petunia, "REMEMBER MY LAST!" when the Dursleys were about to throw Harry out along with prior statements scattered throughout earlier books proved that Harry's residence with the Dursleys was coerced upon the Dursleys in some way by Dumbles). So why then didn't he take the added step to ensure Harry grew up well, since the Dursleys' free will didn't matter to him anyway? In fact, his coercion absolutely ensured the Dursleys would take out their resentment and hatred upon Harry. It was abundantly clear that he fully intended Harry's suffering through an abusive and enslaved childhood because he needed the boy (and prophesied weapon) meek, weak, and fully obedient to easy control by adults. After all, Dumbles fully admits that he knowingly subjected Harry to more than a decade of abuse and enslavement by his relatives with no such effort to ensure Harry's well-being. Is it any wonder that Harry trashed the old bastard's office afterwards (and I don't blame him)? It might be confusing to some, how later, Harry did a 180 and was again "Dumbles's man" despite the evil Dumbles knowingly inflicted upon him. But all that was needed to fully regain and seal Harry's loyalty was Dumbles paralyzing and forcing Harry into watching the old bastard intentionally martyr himself. He was dying already, but was careful not to tell Harry that. He made Harry believe that he sacrificed himself to protect Harry and thus forever sealed Harry's zealous loyalty. It's a tactic called "martyrdom" and it's been used to seal complete and zealous loyalty to a cause or person very successfully for more than a thousand years by cultists and also historically by Islamists. It was also the very fate he had planned for Harry - to die as a martyr. I strongly encourage everyone to read up on the subjects of brainwashing children, the effects of neglect and abuse on a child's personality, and also children brought up in cults with figures and followings (such as Dumbles was in the Wizarding World). Only then could you truly understand how horrific of a monster Dumbles really was in not only what he did to Harry, but also how he used his position as Headmaster of the premier wizarding school in Britain to ensure generations of children's (and later adults') awe of him and belief in his apparent goodness and infallibility. That belief allowed him to do virtually whatever he wanted under the Sun (ignoring laws at whim and even enslaving the infant hero of the Wizarding World to hateful and abusive Muggles) with little or no question from anyone. The only one who would've questioned Harry's placement was conveniently thrown in prison without a trial by Crouch Senior of the DMLE and Bagnold of the Ministry, with the ASSISTANCE of Dumbles as the Chief Warlock. He admitted that he gave the DMLE "evidence that Sirius Black was the Potters' Secret-Keeper" to ensure Sirius was sent to Azkaban. This is interesting since any such evidence would have to've been fabricated or exaggerated by Dumbles since, not only was Sirius NOT the Secret-Keeper, but according to the canon, Dumbles himself actually cast the charm to 'hide' the Potters. It was later revealed that it was the 'Fidelius Charm' that hid the Potters, so Dumbles would've most definitely known who was the real Secret-Keeper. It's a very stupid and very corrupt judge that sends people off to life-imprisonment and torture (Dementors are torture) without a trial. It was awfully convenient that the ONLY suspected Death Eater that was mentioned to've been sent to Azkaban without a trial just so happened to be the legal guardian of Harry Potter and Dumbles's only obstacle to control of the prophesied weapon. Especially when known and confirmed Death Eaters walked away free and were cleared without effort by Dumbles to ensure justice for them either. Also, particularly take note of the effect and effectiveness of isolating a child that's been exposed to extreme trauma - limiting their access only to an environment of people who hate and abuse them with the sole outside "friendly" contact and source of information being the one person who wants to control them. He ordered Hermione to cut off all contact for "security" reasons but there was NO reason whatsoever Hermione couldn't've remained in contact via phone or Muggle mail or that the Order guards couldn't've passed messages on for him at Grimmauld Place - EXCEPT that it would've given Harry other people he could trust and rely upon in his time of need. Dumbles couldn't have that. He needed complete control over Harry and so he blocked Harry from ALL other outside "friendly" influence except his own when Harry needed Hermione most in order to keep Harry dependent on him. In essence all of this proved Dumbles to be much like a Wizarding World equivalent of Charles Manson (a complete f*cking nutjob, if you ask me) or perhaps closer to being like Jim Jones (another complete f*cking nutjob) with a touch of mafia behavior in ensuring obstacles to his plans are, "out of the way." The sole difference being that instead of getting his followers to murder for him like Charles Manson and Voldy had done, Dumbles instead got them to die for him and his cause like Jim Jones. Harry and so many others essentially committed suicide at Dumbles's mere "asking". Anyone up for some Kool-Aid? Do you deny that Dumbles could've convinced a significant number of people in the Wizarding World (especially many of the children) to drink? (If you're not familiar with the reference, google "Jonestown" and brace yourself should you choose to view any of the images because, trust me, they're fucking sick and I hope Jones is burning in Hell).
Part 2: BOTH Dumbles and Voldy fought what's called a "proxy war" where they used others (cultish followers mostly, though, in Harry's case, he was simply a kidnapped and brainwashed child) to fight and die for them. BOTH of them manipulated, used and endangered, or outright sacrificed the lives of others, often innocents and children - without those people's knowledge or informed consent. Just because one's ends may be deemed noble doesn't mean that such evil methods are acceptable to reach those ends. The moment you commit an act that evil, you are evil, regardless of the 'supposed' aims you committed the act for. Why is it to be any more tolerated for Dumbles and the "Light" to commit such atrocities than the "Dark" that're doing it? In fact, Dumbles always hypocritically used that very argument to discourage anyone from using lethal force against the Death Eaters, but yet all of his own actions and intentional inaction proved equally vile and evil in result, if not intent. It was the philosopher, Nietzsche, who said, "He who fights monsters should see to it that, in the process, he does not become a monster. And when you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." Knowingly enslaving an innocent one-year-old infant to fifteen years of hatred and cruelty as a means of shaping that child's personality for easier influence and control is but only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. How about discouraging his followers from properly defending themselves but rather, instead, let the enemy kill them? His complete insistence upon stunning and releasing torturers, killers, rapists, and terrorists only allowed them to be revived or released to later go off to torture and kill someone else. Something that's far more evil than putting down the rabid cat for what it is before it could hurt someone else. Note how the Malfoys among others were walking free at the end of DH despite the murders and tortures they'd done. How many others've since then likely been tortured and killed by them in the intervening nineteen years before the epilogue? Dumbles operated under the premise that the lives and well-being of everyone else, particularly future victims, are unimportant compared to his belief in giving infinite second chances of redemption and repentance to killers, torturers, rapists, and terrorists, who're all people who don't at all desire or want redemption and repentance. Many good people died unnecessarily all thanks to Dumbles's cult of personality. I think the most telling difference between Dumbles and Voldy though, was that Ol' No Nose's followers had the choice whether or not to serve him. Dumbles, on the other hand, kidnapped an infant boy and then conditioned (brainwashed) him through years of slavery and abuse followed by manipulation into suicide for Dumbles's cause. In other words, Moldyshorts's followers had a choice while Dumblef*ck enslaved innocent children into his service. You can't get much more vile and despicable than that. Ultimately Harry Potter was nothing more than a poor kid that was kidnapped and brainwashed by the "good guys" into being a suicide bomber. (I'd compare Harry to Jason Bourne, but Harry had absolutely no choice in the matter and no special training or preparation beyond the brainwashing to die for everyone else). By the end of DH there's a huge amount of suffering, blood, and death on Dumbles's hands (as much as or even more than on Voldy's and his Death Eaters') for his usage of others and refusal to use his own power (magical and political) to truly stop any of them from harming or killing others. It's a lot like a cop that chooses to stand by and merely watch while a scumbag guy r*pes and murders an eight-year-old girl - refusing to help for whatever his own personal reasons. Who's the bigger monster? The sick f*ck doing the r*ping and murder or the person who's taken on the title, position, and responsibility - trusted by all to protect the victim - but instead refuses to do so as the girl's r*ped and murdered without a care? Dumbles even went so far as to not only protect such monsters from being rightfully killed in self-defense or justice, but even worse invited such monsters into a school full of children. Equally as horrific was knowingly enslaving children to hateful monsters as a means of brainwashing and control. Not just the Dursleys, but also Snape. Ask yourselves about the "coincidence" of the only long-term Professor being outright abusive of Harry who just so happened to be "promoted" to teaching Harry's best magical subject the year Harry would've left his influence in Potions class because he failed to meet the minimum grade Snivellus required. It was blatantly clear that Dumbles used Snivellus to keep Harry abused and beaten down while at Hogwarts and away from the Dursleys' abuse. Harry was never given a reprieve from the bullying and abuse because that's what Dumbles wanted and needed in order to shape him into a martyr who believed his own life had no value and was better to sacrifice for others more deserving of life and happiness. That's what disappointed me most about the canon. Ultimately, Harry was revealed to've never been a hero at all. Instead he was nothing more than a severely used and abused victim, kidnapped as an infant from his legal guardian and brainwashed into his role of suicide for Dumbles's cause. Those who read the books should heed its hidden warnings against adults in positions of authority over children exploiting children for their own purposes and ideals, and the use of children in wars by adults. I think the excuse of, "Dumbledore, who has made some bad mistakes, is doing his best to rectify them.", is just a cheap cop-out/get-out-of-jail-free card for the old man. He made dumb mistakes and how he tries to rectify them, he does a pretty p*ss-poor job at that. When given the opportunity to fix all his mistakes, he just uses that as an open door to make the same damn mistakes all over again, or make new ones as well. He clearly makes the dumbest decisions I think a human being could make, my new girlfriend even wonders if he's just flat-out stupid. It's stupid and annoying as all f*cking hell when he keeps constantly saying that he's made "a lot of mistakes" and that they were "an old man's mistakes" over, and over, and over again. No, you dumbass old idiot, what you did weren't an old man's accidental mistakes...what you did was fully and completely intentional. A wise being (Yoda) once said, "Lessons learned too late, mistakes are." and that a mistake is only an accidental mistake when you don't know what the outcome'll be in the future and feel horrible about the action that you took, and actually are sympathetic about your regret and guilt, not lying to others only to save and cover your own ass. However, if you intentionally know what the outcome's gonna be...then it's not an, 'accidental mistake', it was an intentional, deliberate action, regardless of what the outcome would be following the action taken and made, meaning that the person didn't f*cking care. If mistakes were cookies, then Oprah Winfrey would still be f*t as all hell like she was still on hiatus.
Part 3: I once accidentally spilled my orange juice all over the floor at the kitchen table because I was distracted by watching the TV, THAT was an accidental mistake because I didn't know the outcome of me spilling the juice because I thought I wasn't distracted and was aware enough that I wouldn't knock over my glass when I was putting it down on the table. Accidentally stepping on someone's foot in a dark movie theater, that's a mistake. Intentionally setting up a teenage boy to martyr himself through intentional, sacrificial suicide and only being raised in an abusive household just to die as a sacrificial lamb scapegoat for slaughter, that's DEFINITELY NOT a mistake, and is the work of an evil, heartless, and black-hearted monster. Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumblef*ck can lie all he wants that he actually cared about Harry and was only doing the best that he could to protect him...but I know that's complete and utter bullsh*t, and can perfectly, clearly, see through the old bastard's lies. He wanted Harry to completely weaken Voldy Moldyshorts after destroying all of his Lucky Charms Horcrux prizes, get killed in the process in the final battle of the war, and Dumblef*ck would step in and kill the completely weakened Voldy once and for all in front of the entire Wizarding World, thus taking all the fame, glory, and credit himself for vanquishing the two most powerful Dark Wizards of modern times (Voldy and Grindelwald) (and two of some of the most powerful wizards to have ever lived), which would cement his fame in the history books and have him arrogantly and egotistically declare himself to be the most powerful wizard and most powerful user of magic to have ever lived to the entire Wizarding World (supposedly thinking himself to be more powerful and greater than Merlin and even surpassing Merlin). Dumblef*ck was a lying f*cking piece of sh*t ever since the first book and film when, at the end when Harry was in the Hospital Wing, he told Harry, and I quote from the book, "I shall not, of course, lie", and yet all the f*cking old man does is lie throughout the rest of the entire book and film franchise. Just like Krazy K*ntleen Kennedy, the way to know when Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumbass Dumblef*ck is lying is when he opens his f*cking mouth, just like with knowing when KKK is lying is when she opens her f*cking mouth. The old man says he believes in and tries to do justice, and yet, all he does is lie...which goes against the meaning of justice. To quote Paul Dano's Edward Nashton a.k.a. Riddler from Matt Reeves's 'The Batman', "If you're justice, please don't lie" because if you do lie then you deserve to have, to quote Emo Peter/Bully Maguire from Spider-Man 3 (2007), "some dirt in your eye." Dumblef*ck thinks that whatever 'supposed' "wisdom" he spouts out is all that and is something important that everybody has to hear, but in reality, the real reason why he spouts out all of his bullsh*t is so that he has, to quote Chris Rock, "an excuse to run his f*cking mouth" and spout out all of his lying, cheating, stealing, manipulating, and controlling bullsh*t like he's giving the f*cking Gettysburg Address or something like that along those lines to his brain-dead, idiotic, brainless, and obedient sheep followers who would follow their "unquestioned leader" off a f*cking cliff. Obi-Wan Kenobi loved Luke Skywalker due to the fact that he was his best friend's and brother-in-all-but-blood's son and was like an honorary nephew to him, but he NEVER set up Luke to die against Darth Vader and Darth Sidious. Professor Charles Xavier a.k.a. Professor X kindly and selflessly took in hundreds of teenage Mutants and, by his own generosity, gave them a place to live in his own home where he and other members of the X-Men taught them to control their powers so that they could protect the Earth for the betterment of mankind, but he NEVER set up any of the students under his guidance, tutelage, and protection to die. He also allowed normal humans to attend his school alongside their Mutant counterparts and peers, and didn't discriminate against non-powered regular humans attending his school, like Dumbles discriminated against Muggles and Squibs attending Hogwarts (even being responsible for Petunia hating her younger sister's guts for the rest of her life, just because he wouldn't allow Petunia to go with Lily to Hogwarts and allow her to make her decision if she really belonged in and wanted to be part of the Wizarding World, by her own choice). He can lie all he wants and say he isn't racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminates against others all he wants, but he really IS a racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminating person underneath, while Charles wasn't. Gandalf didn't force Frodo to become the Ring-bearer of the One Ring and go on the quest with the Fellowship to Mordor to destroy the Ring in Mount Doom, Frodo chose by his own right, accord, opinion, and choice during the Council of Elrond to be the Ring-bearer and to take the Ring to Mordor to destroy it when the other members of the Council were arguing and debating among themselves. Gandalf asked Frodo if he (Frodo) was sure that he wanted to take the Ring himself to Mordor as the Ring-bearer, and that it was his (Frodo's) choice and his alone if he wanted to do it. When Frodo became the Ring-bearer of the One Ring Gandalf accompanied him and the other seven members of the Fellowship of the Ring to aid Frodo in his quest to take the Ring to Mordor, cast the Ring into the Crack of Doom, and bring an end to Sauron once and for all. Gandalf gave the life of his physical body to protect Frodo and the Fellowship from the Balrog, Durin's Bane, and battled against the Balrog atop the Misty Mountains where he struck down the demonic, fallen Maia, at the cost of his physical body's life. Gandalf did everything in his power to protect Frodo and his friends of the Fellowship, but he NEVER set up Frodo or any of the other members of the Fellowship to die, as they chose to go on the quest even though they knew they could most likely die, but again, that was THEIR CHOICE and theirs alone. Gandalf didn't make it for them. In First Year, he decides to hide the Stone in a school full of children knowing that a homicidal maniac and terrorist is after it. Why doesn't he just shoot fireworks up in the air to spell out, 'THE STONE IS HERE, VOLDEMORT.'? Next, he has the Stone guarded by a giant, killer three-headed dog that could get loose and kill somebody. I won't take the excuse that he's harmless, he nearly took Harry's and Hermione's heads off when he tried to bite them. Yeah, really harmless there. He then literally decides to go into detail about the third floor corridor, knowingly enticing students to check it out instead of not saying anything that'd peak their curiosity. But instead, he's literally almost baiting kids to go there. The only thing between a curious student and Fluffy, was a locked door, which Hermione or any other First Year, with barely a month of being at school, was/would be able to open! The old, bearded, dumbass made the oldest, stupidest mistake in the book. From what my girlfriend Holly's sister and brother-in-law told Holly and I about their reactions to the old man's sheer stupidity is that: tell a whole school of children not to go somewhere, and most, if not all, of them will/would, just to find out why they shouldn't! Next, he says that the Forbidden Forest is also off-limits, yet has Harry, Hermione, and Neville go in there for detention (I don't care about Malfoy, since he could've been gutted like a fish by a Werewolf and I wouldn't care). Well, why don't you just blindfold them and have them walk head-first into a minefield while you're at it, you idiot? And finally, the very clever Dumbles has the Stone guarded by traps that're so pathetically simple that a pair of First Years were able to navigate through them, no problem. He should've placed a Fidelius Charm on the Stone and made himself the Secret-Keeper to make sure it was completely safe.
Part 6: Dumbles is just a bad guy and that's it; plain and simple. He knowingly sent a baby into an abusive environment, completely abnegated his responsibilities as Chief Warlock and Supreme Mugwump (that's a five day discussion by itself), intentionally set up a young man for a suicidal self-sacrifice without warning or preparing him (Harry with a ridiculous Horcrux inside him), allowed a sadist to abuse his student population (Snivellus), allowed for substandard teaching at Hogwarts (History of Magic, Muggle Studies, Defense Against the Dark Arts (Year 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6), Potions (Year 1-5), and Divination), and routinely failed to protect his students from harm. "...Dumbledore will happily betray the innocent in the hopes of saving the guilty." - (Sprinter1988) Dumbles is also a monster because: 1) He didn't contact the students' parents and families about the attacks and petrification. Also decided not to contact the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, Auror Department, Magical Law Enforcement Squad, and the Ministry of Magic to send a group of Aurors and Hit Wizards from the DMLE, Auror Department, and MLES, as well as Director Saul Croaker and a group of his Unspeakables from the Department of Mysteries to help in the Chamber of Secrets incident and to hunt down and kill Slytherin's Monster or the "Serpent of Slytherin" (Slytherin's Basilisk), and to put an end to the incident so that no more students were petrified, or worse, killed. (Second Year) 2) He had an Acromantula colony in the Forbidden Forest that was near the school and could've led to the students being attacked by the Acromantulas, should they choose to emerge from the forest and attack both the students and the school. He knowingly placed all of his students and the entire school in danger with having the Acromantula colony nearby as they had no qualms about killing humans and devouring human flesh, which all of the students were humans (obviously). (Second Year) 3) He knowingly and purposefully kept three of Harry's rightful family heirlooms from him that were all heirlooms of the Peverells, whom Harry is descended from by blood and was the last, noble, heir and descendant of the Peverell Family (i.e. the Elder Wand, the Resurrection Stone, and the Cloak of Invisibility). (Prior to First Year, but also First Year until Christmas for the Cloak; First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Year with the Wand; and Sixth Year with the Stone) 4) He purposely decided not to acquire the Mandrake Restorative Draught from mature Mandrakes anywhere in Britain and to transport the draught to Hogwarts to immediately awaken the students from their petrified state, instead of waiting for the immature Mandrakes to grow at a slow rate that resulted in the students being awoken over five to six months later, thus leading to the students falling behind in their classes due to them having to make up for the work. (Second Year) 5) He knowingly hired Lockhart, whom he knew was a charlatan and a fraud. He subjected multiple Fifth and Seventh Year students to being taught by a fraud imposter and sabotaging their DADA classes and school grades by not having them prepared for the DADA portion of the End-of-Year exams when they would take their O.W.L.s and N.E.W.T.s at the end of the year, thus resulting in them most likely failing the DADA O.W.L. or N.E.W.T. of the exams. (Second Year) 6) He knowingly and purposefully sealed James and Lily Potters' Will that said that, "Under no circumstances is Harry to be raised by Petunia and Vernon Dursley" and that Harry was meant to be placed with guardians whom James and Lily chose; that included Sirius Black as first in line as Harry's godfather, Alice Longbottom as second in line as Harry's godmother, Remus Lupin as third in line as honorary uncle, and Amelia Bones as fourth in line as honorary aunt. He kidnapped Harry from his rightful guardian, whom he knew Sirius was innocent due to him swearing the Unbreakable Godfather Vow and would be unable to betray the Potters even if he was the Secret-Keeper, and deliberately left Harry with his magic hating relatives; knowingly defying Harry's parents' Will that said they forbade Dumblefuck from taking him to the Dursleys' home and being raised by Petunia and Vernon. (Prior to First Year) 7) He had no right interfering in Harry's life outside of Hogwarts. He might've been the Headmaster and all, but outside of Hogwarts and after the school year ends, he has no right overstepping his boundaries and attempting to interfere with Harry's life when he wasn't at Hogwarts and currently under its jurisdiction when school was in session. He also was a liar with saying that he was trying to give Harry a normal life and childhood, as well as only wanting Harry to be happy, when he knowingly placed Harry in an abusive household where he could've been seriously injured, or even killed by Vernon through manslaughter if the man went off more than ever before. (Fifth and Sixth Year) 8) He hypocritically said that Harry, Hermione, and the Order of the Phoenix shouldn't kill in self-defense when encountering Death Eaters, but that, in the end, Harry had to KILL Voldemort in order to get ridda him for good. What makes Voldy any different from his Death Eater followers that only he should be killed and they, who are equally evil, vile, monsters, should be allowed to continue drawing breath and be allowed to live, instead of being killed along with their supposed, "unbeatable Lord"? And when it comes to Dumblef*ck trying to say his bullsh*t fortune cookie excuse of, "All life is important", I have to say a quote from a once, great, man when I ask, "What's more important, the life of an innocent person or the life of a killer?" And his bullsh*t of always saying that what he does is only, "for the Greater Good", I can also counteract by saying another quote from that once, great, man and that's, "A purpose as defined by a single man, no matter how noble he believes it to be, can never be the Greater Good. It takes a special kind of man to wield power and kill if necessary to defend the innocent, and yet maintain their humility and humanity." Clearly Dumblef*ck isn't a special kind of man at all, and is no 'good' man only trying to do 'good' in the world. He's just as much a liar who spouts lies to his obedient, mindless, sheep followers who follow him thinking him to be perfect and unbeatable like every other lying, manipulative, dictator and leader throughout history has done so. Dumbles already held great amounts of political power in the government as the Headmaster of Hogwarts, the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot, and the Supreme Mugwump of the International Confederation of Wizards, and could have say in what laws were approved and what laws weren't, thus allowing him to have control of the government as all of the laws that he created and benefited him were approved, while the laws that he didn't create and didn't benefit him weren't approved. He was a liar when he said that he didn't want the position of Minister of Magic of which he said was because he said he didn't trust himself and couldn't be trusted with power, despite the fact that he still held a majority of powerful, political positions in the government, and he wanted the world to think that he himself was above the position of Minister and that he was too good for it, as well as him being able to manipulate and control the Minister like a chess pawn or a puppet under the guise of 'advising' them so, in a way, he was really controlling the Ministry and the magical government of Wizarding Britain right in front of their very eyes, hiding in plain sight; like a snake. And the only two ways to take out a snake are to cut its head off, or, as Danny Trejo said, "bite it in the ass." (Prior to First Year, but also First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Year)
When I read through the books for the first time I kinda went "Oh man, Dumbledore is a dick!" He knew Tom Riddle would need to be dealt with. He had the long con all sorted out for years.
That isn't being evil! That is being a flawed human, who isn't some perfect heroic icon. The situation with resenting having to care for his family after his mother's death is an entirely probable thing for a young person to feel at that age when responsibility to care for younger siblings, which he does not want (including one who is troubled, and accidentally killed their mother) is thrust upon him. He knows it is unkind of him, but he can't help feeling it anyway. That is being a believable character.
@@eolhinforest7736 People are not black and white, evil and good. They where on his side and not needed for his BIG plan. That doesn't mean that he was totally evil, also people can get 'crazy' for good reasons. Like an example, Grindelwald...
You wrote bother rather than Father. You may want to edit to correct. And yes The Potter's should have kept the Cloak and not let anyone have it it would have provided an extra ounce of protection so as to hide and slip away. Plus when it comes to the secret keeper They should have put said person threw questioning and finally once chosen a binding oath to reenforce the fidelius charm. Because the Minute Peter Pettigrew betrayed the Potter's he would lose his magic and life.
When it comes to his family, it always makes me sad when I think of Albus cheerfully celebrating Christmas in the castle while Aberforth sits alone in his bar. :C
“Albus Dumbledore was never proud or vain; he could find something to value in anyone, however apparently insignificant or wretched, and I believe that his early losses endowed him with great humanity and sympathy. I shall miss his friendship more than I can say, but my loss is as nothing compared to the Wizarding world’s. That he was the most inspiring and the best loved of all Hogwarts headmasters cannot be in question. He died as he lived: working always for the greater good and, to his last hour, as willing to stretch out a hand to a small boy with dragon pox as he was on the day that I met him.” Ellhias Dodge obituary.
He was never proud or vain after 1899, but before that I think that he was proud of his title as the most brilliant student to ever attend the school, but after the death of his sister he became much more humble than he was before
@@MasterOfTheElements I would argue against that, without any negative connotations to the words. Dumbledore is complementing his own intelligence and brilliance at multiple times in the books
Evil? No. Kind of a cryptic asshole? Definitely! He could've/should've explained a bit more. Not everything, but he could've told him "there's a prophecy in the department of mysteries about you and Voldemort. I can't tell you what it is because he could read your mind." Simple, right?
Not anywhere close to evil. Just flawed. Like all of Rowling's HP characters. Which is why HP is still a strong franchise, and the stories are still relevent and popular. Sure all of the magic is cool, and the story is good, but for me, the depth and the complexity of the characters is what does it for me. Not one character is without flaws, which makes the more human, and relatible.
True he is flawed but his plans for Harry was too Crazy and wouldn't have worked if not for luck.Also he believes himself to be all-knowing and always right even after all his mistakes,which is a very dangerous trait.
@@rohits7364 In the end tho he was right a tremendous amount of times. And since we can only try to assume what he is thinking and why he did this and that, it’s very likely, that we mirror our own flaws onto him.
Part 1: It's really sad that by the end of Book 7 we learned that Harry was no "great wizard" or really even a hero at all. He was just a naïve boy/teenager brainwashed and manipulated by Dumbles into suicide for a cause. It proved no different than any other child brainwashed and manipulated by religious extremists (almost always Islamic) into strapping explosives to themselves and blowing themselves up along with, "the enemy." After all, in those adults' minds, it too is for, "the greater good." I hope you'll excuse my extreme disgust with any adults using children in a war and knowingly setting them up to die. It's an ultimate evil to use a child like that, no matter what the cause or reasons may be, and it DEFINITELY makes Dumbles every bit as much a monster as Voldy. OotP, Chapter 37, Dumbles to Harry: "Five years ago you arrived at Hogwarts Harry, safe and whole, as I had planned and intended, well - not quite whole. You had suffered. I knew you would when I left you on your aunt's and uncle's doorstep. I knew I was condemning you to ten dark and difficult years." HBP, Chapter 3, Dumbles to the Dursleys: "He has known nothing but neglect and often cruelty at your hands." "The magic I evoked fifteen years ago means that Harry has powerful protection while he can still call this house 'home'. However miserable he has been here, however unwelcome, however badly treated, you have at least, grudgingly, allowed him houseroom." What Dumbles did was no different than kidnapping an African-American infant and forcing the poor child onto a family of Ku Klux Klan supporters with a threat to provide the child a home. Harry received the same treatment you'd expect for that poor child assuming (s)he wasn't killed outright, don't you think? Sure, he survived, but as nothing more than a horribly abused slave of the Dursleys. It was stated clearly that Harry's abuse was physical as well as mental and emotional. There was mention of Petunia striking him over the head with a hot frying pan in the kitchen as well as Vernon's comment about nothing being impossible to 'beat' out of the "freak" implying that beatings were common. Then of course they also encouraged Dudley's 'Harry Hunting' and attacks on the, "freak." Dumbles could've done something to ensure that Harry's childhood wasn't dark and difficult but instead chose not to and, in doing so, he proved that 'dark and difficult' childhood was, in fact, precisely what he really wanted Harry to suffer through. The Wizarding World is full of charms and potions compelling particular behavior. It would've definitely been preferable and much happier for both Harry and the Dursleys if Dumbles had at the very least used a Compulsion Ward or Charm to ensure Harry was at least accepted, if not loved, by the Dursleys. After all, his living with them was deemed by Dumbles to be necessary regardless of them clearly not wanting Harry. Thus he proved, by forcing Harry upon them, that they lacked any real free will in the matter; that what they wanted was unimportant, anyway, in the much greater need for Harry's safety. (Dumbles's Howler to Petunia, "REMEMBER MY LAST!" when the Dursleys were about to throw Harry out along with prior statements scattered throughout earlier books proved that Harry's residence with the Dursleys was coerced upon the Dursleys in some way by Dumbles). So why then didn't he take the added step to ensure Harry grew up well, since the Dursleys' free will didn't matter to him anyway? In fact, his coercion absolutely ensured the Dursleys would take out their resentment and hatred upon Harry. It was abundantly clear that he fully intended Harry's suffering through an abusive and enslaved childhood because he needed the boy (and prophesied weapon) meek, weak, and fully obedient to easy control by adults. After all, Dumbles fully admits that he knowingly subjected Harry to more than a decade of abuse and enslavement by his relatives with no such effort to ensure Harry's well-being. Is it any wonder that Harry trashed the old bastard's office afterwards (and I don't blame him)? It might be confusing to some, how later, Harry did a 180 and was again "Dumbles's man" despite the evil Dumbles knowingly inflicted upon him. But all that was needed to fully regain and seal Harry's loyalty was Dumbles paralyzing and forcing Harry into watching the old bastard intentionally martyr himself. He was dying already, but was careful not to tell Harry that. He made Harry believe that he sacrificed himself to protect Harry and thus forever sealed Harry's zealous loyalty. It's a tactic called "martyrdom" and it's been used to seal complete and zealous loyalty to a cause or person very successfully for more than a thousand years by cultists and also historically by Islamists. It was also the very fate he had planned for Harry - to die as a martyr. I strongly encourage everyone to read up on the subjects of brainwashing children, the effects of neglect and abuse on a child's personality, and also children brought up in cults with figures and followings (such as Dumbles was in the Wizarding World). Only then could you truly understand how horrific of a monster Dumbles really was in not only what he did to Harry, but also how he used his position as Headmaster of the premier wizarding school in Britain to ensure generations of children's (and later adults') awe of him and belief in his apparent goodness and infallibility. That belief allowed him to do virtually whatever he wanted under the Sun (ignoring laws at whim and even enslaving the infant hero of the Wizarding World to hateful and abusive Muggles) with little or no question from anyone. The only one who would've questioned Harry's placement was conveniently thrown in prison without a trial by Crouch Senior of the DMLE and Bagnold of the Ministry, with the ASSISTANCE of Dumbles as the Chief Warlock. He admitted that he gave the DMLE "evidence that Sirius Black was the Potters' Secret-Keeper" to ensure Sirius was sent to Azkaban. This is interesting since any such evidence would have to've been fabricated or exaggerated by Dumbles since, not only was Sirius NOT the Secret-Keeper, but according to the canon, Dumbles himself actually cast the charm to 'hide' the Potters. It was later revealed that it was the 'Fidelius Charm' that hid the Potters, so Dumbles would've most definitely known who was the real Secret-Keeper. It's a very stupid and very corrupt judge that sends people off to life-imprisonment and torture (Dementors are torture) without a trial. It was awfully convenient that the ONLY suspected Death Eater that was mentioned to've been sent to Azkaban without a trial just so happened to be the legal guardian of Harry Potter and Dumbles's only obstacle to control of the prophesied weapon. Especially when known and confirmed Death Eaters walked away free and were cleared without effort by Dumbles to ensure justice for them either. Also, particularly take note of the effect and effectiveness of isolating a child that's been exposed to extreme trauma - limiting their access only to an environment of people who hate and abuse them with the sole outside "friendly" contact and source of information being the one person who wants to control them. He ordered Hermione to cut off all contact for "security" reasons but there was NO reason whatsoever Hermione couldn't've remained in contact via phone or Muggle mail or that the Order guards couldn't've passed messages on for him at Grimmauld Place - EXCEPT that it would've given Harry other people he could trust and rely upon in his time of need. Dumbles couldn't have that. He needed complete control over Harry and so he blocked Harry from ALL other outside "friendly" influence except his own when Harry needed Hermione most in order to keep Harry dependent on him. In essence all of this proved Dumbles to be much like a Wizarding World equivalent of Charles Manson (a complete f*cking nutjob, if you ask me) or perhaps closer to being like Jim Jones (another complete f*cking nutjob) with a touch of mafia behavior in ensuring obstacles to his plans are, "out of the way." The sole difference being that instead of getting his followers to murder for him like Charles Manson and Voldy had done, Dumbles instead got them to die for him and his cause like Jim Jones. Harry and so many others essentially committed suicide at Dumbles's mere "asking". Anyone up for some Kool-Aid? Do you deny that Dumbles could've convinced a significant number of people in the Wizarding World (especially many of the children) to drink? (If you're not familiar with the reference, google "Jonestown" and brace yourself should you choose to view any of the images because, trust me, they're fucking sick and I hope Jones is burning in Hell).
Part 2: BOTH Dumbles and Voldy fought what's called a "proxy war" where they used others (cultish followers mostly, though, in Harry's case, he was simply a kidnapped and brainwashed child) to fight and die for them. BOTH of them manipulated, used and endangered, or outright sacrificed the lives of others, often innocents and children - without those people's knowledge or informed consent. Just because one's ends may be deemed noble doesn't mean that such evil methods are acceptable to reach those ends. The moment you commit an act that evil, you are evil, regardless of the 'supposed' aims you committed the act for. Why is it to be any more tolerated for Dumbles and the "Light" to commit such atrocities than the "Dark" that're doing it? In fact, Dumbles always hypocritically used that very argument to discourage anyone from using lethal force against the Death Eaters, but yet all of his own actions and intentional inaction proved equally vile and evil in result, if not intent. It was the philosopher, Nietzsche, who said, "He who fights monsters should see to it that, in the process, he does not become a monster. And when you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." Knowingly enslaving an innocent one-year-old infant to fifteen years of hatred and cruelty as a means of shaping that child's personality for easier influence and control is but only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. How about discouraging his followers from properly defending themselves but rather, instead, let the enemy kill them? His complete insistence upon stunning and releasing torturers, killers, rapists, and terrorists only allowed them to be revived or released to later go off to torture and kill someone else. Something that's far more evil than putting down the rabid cat for what it is before it could hurt someone else. Note how the Malfoys among others were walking free at the end of DH despite the murders and tortures they'd done. How many others've since then likely been tortured and killed by them in the intervening nineteen years before the epilogue? Dumbles operated under the premise that the lives and well-being of everyone else, particularly future victims, are unimportant compared to his belief in giving infinite second chances of redemption and repentance to killers, torturers, rapists, and terrorists, who're all people who don't at all desire or want redemption and repentance. Many good people died unnecessarily all thanks to Dumbles's cult of personality. I think the most telling difference between Dumbles and Voldy though, was that Ol' No Nose's followers had the choice whether or not to serve him. Dumbles, on the other hand, kidnapped an infant boy and then conditioned (brainwashed) him through years of slavery and abuse followed by manipulation into suicide for Dumbles's cause. In other words, Moldyshorts's followers had a choice while Dumblef*ck enslaved innocent children into his service. You can't get much more vile and despicable than that. Ultimately Harry Potter was nothing more than a poor kid that was kidnapped and brainwashed by the "good guys" into being a suicide bomber. (I'd compare Harry to Jason Bourne, but Harry had absolutely no choice in the matter and no special training or preparation beyond the brainwashing to die for everyone else). By the end of DH there's a huge amount of suffering, blood, and death on Dumbles's hands (as much as or even more than on Voldy's and his Death Eaters') for his usage of others and refusal to use his own power (magical and political) to truly stop any of them from harming or killing others. It's a lot like a cop that chooses to stand by and merely watch while a scumbag guy r*pes and murders an eight-year-old girl - refusing to help for whatever his own personal reasons. Who's the bigger monster? The sick f*ck doing the r*ping and murder or the person who's taken on the title, position, and responsibility - trusted by all to protect the victim - but instead refuses to do so as the girl's r*ped and murdered without a care? Dumbles even went so far as to not only protect such monsters from being rightfully killed in self-defense or justice, but even worse invited such monsters into a school full of children. Equally as horrific was knowingly enslaving children to hateful monsters as a means of brainwashing and control. Not just the Dursleys, but also Snape. Ask yourselves about the "coincidence" of the only long-term Professor being outright abusive of Harry who just so happened to be "promoted" to teaching Harry's best magical subject the year Harry would've left his influence in Potions class because he failed to meet the minimum grade Snivellus required. It was blatantly clear that Dumbles used Snivellus to keep Harry abused and beaten down while at Hogwarts and away from the Dursleys' abuse. Harry was never given a reprieve from the bullying and abuse because that's what Dumbles wanted and needed in order to shape him into a martyr who believed his own life had no value and was better to sacrifice for others more deserving of life and happiness. That's what disappointed me most about the canon. Ultimately, Harry was revealed to've never been a hero at all. Instead he was nothing more than a severely used and abused victim, kidnapped as an infant from his legal guardian and brainwashed into his role of suicide for Dumbles's cause. Those who read the books should heed its hidden warnings against adults in positions of authority over children exploiting children for their own purposes and ideals, and the use of children in wars by adults. I think the excuse of, "Dumbledore, who has made some bad mistakes, is doing his best to rectify them.", is just a cheap cop-out/get-out-of-jail-free card for the old man. He made dumb mistakes and how he tries to rectify them, he does a pretty p*ss-poor job at that. When given the opportunity to fix all his mistakes, he just uses that as an open door to make the same damn mistakes all over again, or make new ones as well. He clearly makes the dumbest decisions I think a human being could make, my new girlfriend even wonders if he's just flat-out stupid. It's stupid and annoying as all f*cking hell when he keeps constantly saying that he's made "a lot of mistakes" and that they were "an old man's mistakes" over, and over, and over again. No, you dumbass old idiot, what you did weren't an old man's accidental mistakes...what you did was fully and completely intentional. A wise being (Yoda) once said, "Lessons learned too late, mistakes are." and that a mistake is only an accidental mistake when you don't know what the outcome'll be in the future and feel horrible about the action that you took, and actually are sympathetic about your regret and guilt, not lying to others only to save and cover your own ass. However, if you intentionally know what the outcome's gonna be...then it's not an, 'accidental mistake', it was an intentional, deliberate action, regardless of what the outcome would be following the action taken and made, meaning that the person didn't f*cking care. If mistakes were cookies, then Oprah Winfrey would still be f*t as all hell like she was still on hiatus.
Part 3: I once accidentally spilled my orange juice all over the floor at the kitchen table because I was distracted by watching the TV, THAT was an accidental mistake because I didn't know the outcome of me spilling the juice because I thought I wasn't distracted and was aware enough that I wouldn't knock over my glass when I was putting it down on the table. Accidentally stepping on someone's foot in a dark movie theater, that's a mistake. Intentionally setting up a teenage boy to martyr himself through intentional, sacrificial suicide and only being raised in an abusive household just to die as a sacrificial lamb scapegoat for slaughter, that's DEFINITELY NOT a mistake, and is the work of an evil, heartless, and black-hearted monster. Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumblef*ck can lie all he wants that he actually cared about Harry and was only doing the best that he could to protect him...but I know that's complete and utter bullsh*t, and can perfectly, clearly, see through the old bastard's lies. He wanted Harry to completely weaken Voldy Moldyshorts after destroying all of his Lucky Charms Horcrux prizes, get killed in the process in the final battle of the war, and Dumblef*ck would step in and kill the completely weakened Voldy once and for all in front of the entire Wizarding World, thus taking all the fame, glory, and credit himself for vanquishing the two most powerful Dark Wizards of modern times (Voldy and Grindelwald) (and two of some of the most powerful wizards to have ever lived), which would cement his fame in the history books and have him arrogantly and egotistically declare himself to be the most powerful wizard and most powerful user of magic to have ever lived to the entire Wizarding World (supposedly thinking himself to be more powerful and greater than Merlin and even surpassing Merlin). Dumblef*ck was a lying f*cking piece of sh*t ever since the first book and film when, at the end when Harry was in the Hospital Wing, he told Harry, and I quote from the book, "I shall not, of course, lie", and yet all the f*cking old man does is lie throughout the rest of the entire book and film franchise. Just like Krazy K*ntleen Kennedy, the way to know when Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumbass Dumblef*ck is lying is when he opens his f*cking mouth, just like with knowing when KKK is lying is when she opens her f*cking mouth. The old man says he believes in and tries to do justice, and yet, all he does is lie...which goes against the meaning of justice. To quote Paul Dano's Edward Nashton a.k.a. Riddler from Matt Reeves's 'The Batman', "If you're justice, please don't lie" because if you do lie then you deserve to have, to quote Emo Peter/Bully Maguire from Spider-Man 3 (2007), "some dirt in your eye." Dumblef*ck thinks that whatever 'supposed' "wisdom" he spouts out is all that and is something important that everybody has to hear, but in reality, the real reason why he spouts out all of his bullsh*t is so that he has, to quote Chris Rock, "an excuse to run his f*cking mouth" and spout out all of his lying, cheating, stealing, manipulating, and controlling bullsh*t like he's giving the f*cking Gettysburg Address or something like that along those lines to his brain-dead, idiotic, brainless, and obedient sheep followers who would follow their "unquestioned leader" off a f*cking cliff. Obi-Wan Kenobi loved Luke Skywalker due to the fact that he was his best friend's and brother-in-all-but-blood's son and was like an honorary nephew to him, but he NEVER set up Luke to die against Darth Vader and Darth Sidious. Professor Charles Xavier a.k.a. Professor X kindly and selflessly took in hundreds of teenage Mutants and, by his own generosity, gave them a place to live in his own home where he and other members of the X-Men taught them to control their powers so that they could protect the Earth for the betterment of mankind, but he NEVER set up any of the students under his guidance, tutelage, and protection to die. He also allowed normal humans to attend his school alongside their Mutant counterparts and peers, and didn't discriminate against non-powered regular humans attending his school, like Dumbles discriminated against Muggles and Squibs attending Hogwarts (even being responsible for Petunia hating her younger sister's guts for the rest of her life, just because he wouldn't allow Petunia to go with Lily to Hogwarts and allow her to make her decision if she really belonged in and wanted to be part of the Wizarding World, by her own choice). He can lie all he wants and say he isn't racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminates against others all he wants, but he really IS a racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminating person underneath, while Charles wasn't. Gandalf didn't force Frodo to become the Ring-bearer of the One Ring and go on the quest with the Fellowship to Mordor to destroy the Ring in Mount Doom, Frodo chose by his own right, accord, opinion, and choice during the Council of Elrond to be the Ring-bearer and to take the Ring to Mordor to destroy it when the other members of the Council were arguing and debating among themselves. Gandalf asked Frodo if he (Frodo) was sure that he wanted to take the Ring himself to Mordor as the Ring-bearer, and that it was his (Frodo's) choice and his alone if he wanted to do it. When Frodo became the Ring-bearer of the One Ring Gandalf accompanied him and the other seven members of the Fellowship of the Ring to aid Frodo in his quest to take the Ring to Mordor, cast the Ring into the Crack of Doom, and bring an end to Sauron once and for all. Gandalf gave the life of his physical body to protect Frodo and the Fellowship from the Balrog, Durin's Bane, and battled against the Balrog atop the Misty Mountains where he struck down the demonic, fallen Maia, at the cost of his physical body's life. Gandalf did everything in his power to protect Frodo and his friends of the Fellowship, but he NEVER set up Frodo or any of the other members of the Fellowship to die, as they chose to go on the quest even though they knew they could most likely die, but again, that was THEIR CHOICE and theirs alone. Gandalf didn't make it for them. In First Year, he decides to hide the Stone in a school full of children knowing that a homicidal maniac and terrorist is after it. Why doesn't he just shoot fireworks up in the air to spell out, 'THE STONE IS HERE, VOLDEMORT.'? Next, he has the Stone guarded by a giant, killer three-headed dog that could get loose and kill somebody. I won't take the excuse that he's harmless, he nearly took Harry's and Hermione's heads off when he tried to bite them. Yeah, really harmless there. He then literally decides to go into detail about the third floor corridor, knowingly enticing students to check it out instead of not saying anything that'd peak their curiosity. But instead, he's literally almost baiting kids to go there. The only thing between a curious student and Fluffy, was a locked door, which Hermione or any other First Year, with barely a month of being at school, was/would be able to open! The old, bearded, dumbass made the oldest, stupidest mistake in the book. From what my girlfriend Holly's sister and brother-in-law told Holly and I about their reactions to the old man's sheer stupidity is that: tell a whole school of children not to go somewhere, and most, if not all, of them will/would, just to find out why they shouldn't! Next, he says that the Forbidden Forest is also off-limits, yet has Harry, Hermione, and Neville go in there for detention (I don't care about Malfoy, since he could've been gutted like a fish by a Werewolf and I wouldn't care). Well, why don't you just blindfold them and have them walk head-first into a minefield while you're at it, you idiot? And finally, the very clever Dumbles has the Stone guarded by traps that're so pathetically simple that a pair of First Years were able to navigate through them, no problem. He should've placed a Fidelius Charm on the Stone and made himself the Secret-Keeper to make sure it was completely safe.
I think he put Harry through difficult things because he knew Harry was a “marked man”. He knew Voldemort would come back and he knew Voldemort’s dearest ambition would be to kill Harry. He wanted Harry to be strong when the time came to defeat Voldemort once and for all. So he did all that he could to protect him and let him grow as much as possible
You right but I think what dumbledore really wanted was for Harry to find the Horcrox's if you see the facts dumbledore could have known exactly what they were before the revel but what no idea where they were. I sure volamort return was not part of his plan for sure.
“He's a funny man, Dumbledore. I think he sort of wanted to give me a chance. I think he knows more or less everything that goes on here, you know. I reckon he had a pretty good idea we were going to try, and instead of stopping us, he just taught us enough to help. I don't think it was an accident he let me find out how the Mirror worked. It's almost like he thought I had the right to face Voldemort if I could" Straight out of book one.
Dumbledore used everyone to get to what and where he needed no matter the cost...he cared for Harry but he needed to use him..I don't think he's evil he's just a terrible person 😂😂
Dumbledore definitely wasn't evil but he was deeply flawed. From when he was a youth til his death he remained consistent in his motto "for the greater good". He may have thought that Grindlewald kept the motto and that he had left it behind but not so. As Snape basically said, Dumbledore raised Harry like a pig for slaughter. He cared about him yes but I don't think there was any sacrifice Dumbledore wouldn't make to stop You-know-who.
Nope... he was neither good nor evil... he was HUMAN .... to quote Sirius Black “WE’VE ALL GOT BOTH LIGHT AND INSIDE US. WHAT MATTER IS THE PART WE CHOOSE TO ACT ON. THAT’S WHO WE REALLY ARE.” He mostly had good intentions at heart. He did some mistakes, but he was HUMAN with a good heart.
There is another small but questionable incident - the change of the house cup in the first book. Harry was unconscious for several days after his fight with Quirrell. Why did he not gave the points to Gryffindor during these days? He actually lets the Slytherins believe they have won for several days, lets decorate the great hall in Slytherin color and out of nowhere he steals their win and hands it over to Gryffindor. The Slytherin students did not do anything to deserve losing their win in such a bullying way. As young readers we feels from Harrys perspective and feel his revange on Malfoy but from an adult perspective this is the worst way a teacher could interfere in a competition. I mean it is like it is your turn for a promotion, the business cards are printed, the new name tag is on the office door, the party is scheduled and out of nowhere on day of the party they give it to somebody else because last minute after everything was settled somebody thought somebody else might deseve it more.
I do agree with you that it sucks. However idk if the teacher can give house points to students when they arent there? We never see the teachers do that, although our perspective is limited so i may be wrong. But it is something to consider. They still really didnt have to pretend like slytherins were going to win though but that can probably be chocked up to rowlings bias against slytherins.
I agree, that's bullying. Harry and Co. actually deserved more points, but Dumbledore decides to let them only beat Slytherin by a few points, which sucks. You would think that if Albus wasn't there to spite the Slytherins, he wouldn't have calculated so precisely to make Gryffindor beat them by a little bit. Plus, letting someone think that they've won but actually not, is a really dick move.
I think the reason waited was they had to be consciously present to receive points. As for the amount added he had to be careful to not seem to show too much favoritism.
He cared about no one except himself, he knew snape would get killed by voldemort & don't forget before he was "good guy" he planned to taking over the world with grindelwald and killing muggles
Him not helping Sirius after his wrongly suspected murder of peter pettigrew even though he was chief warlock of the wisenagamot really made me wonder whether he was really that good after all
For the good you are to do what is right all the time. Yes their is evil but their is no such thing as The Greater Good. No one has the right to manipulate and lie to others not giving the necessary information to make a proper informed decision. To many lost their lives because he withheld information that affected others thus the loss of to many lives to many families destroyed. Plus placing a child with people you know that will abuse a child because if who his parents are and the abilities he was born with and had no control over is wrong. And allowing ones so-called government to violate the law and denie a man a proper trial to get to the truth and allow said man to defend himself is just wrong. Plus the stupid old goat should have been straight forward and told the truth from the very beginning so as to take steps to make sure Tom Riddle could never gain his strength as to start up again and the corruption was to bad that Albus should have had enough since to go to the Queen and the Prime Minister at the time from what I remember was Margaret Thatcher at the time since I was Born in 1973. Because The Queen would most likely have a special forces team trained in dealing with the Magical Community and could easily be made up of muggleborns and muggle raised half-bloods. Plus to make sure Harry didn't suffer from the mental and emotional abuse from his aunt and Uncle and the Physical and emotional abuse from his fat spoiled cousin Dudley and the other bullies that are part of Dudley's gang of Bullies. And Harry was not worthless calling him boy all the time rather using Harry's name making Harry wear Dudley's oversized cast off hand me downs. The Dursleys could easily provide Harry with proper clothing that fit and that were just his. and Dudley didn't need two bedrooms. Plus he didn't need all those damned toys especially considering he broke everything he didn't want anymore. When they could have let Harry take what he wanted to play with then donate the rest. Plus They should have incorage Dudley to study and do his best and the same goes for Harry rather than putting down all the time and calling Harry a Cheater. Harry wasn't a waist of space. Plus CPS should have been made aware of Harry as to make sure that All of his needs are met and that The Dursleys didn't abuse him in any way shape or form. Anyway from what little that I know of the Royal Family since they are distant cousins of mine threw my mother's side of the family Elizabeth would have torn into Albus for placing Harry with people like the Dursleys. Plus I very much remember the different charities and organizations that of cousin Diana was involved with dealing with children she too would not liked how The Dursleys treated Harry plus she would have demanded to see The Potter Family Will(s) when it comes to Harry and demanded a background check and she wouldn't give a damn about the effing blood wards. I've seen Diana's temper when it comes to children from both news feeds and that of family home movies. Let's just say Albus wouldn't know what hit him by the time she was done with him. She would most likely demand Albus be put on probation as headmaster and should he violate it demand his removal. In fact she would probably demand the entire staff be placed on probation and order Madam Poppy Pomfrey report all suspected Child Abuse cases To CPS Child protective services. And demand to see Schools Charter, policies and rules. Because if lacking reforms would be demanded.
@@link27823 how did he know, he along with everyone else believed that he was guilty of betraying the Potters. Dumbledore even offered to be their secret keeper, but they chose Sirius and when Dumbledore cast the spell to hide them they switched Sirius with Peter, so he had no way of knowing that they changed their secret keeper
He did nothing to stop the marauders bullying Snape and he knowingly set a trap for Voldemort in school full of children. The protections for the philosopher's stone weren't that strong if three first years were able to get past them. Also why wasn't there an anti-alohomora charm on the door to prevent people from opening it with the alohomora charm and why even tell them not to go to the third floor because when you do that you're basically saying go explore . He didn't inform professor McGonagall about the horcrux's despite her being steadfast and loyal to him throughout the series and he didn't think to inform the parents of his students when the chamber of secretes was open. He also didn't evacuate Hogwarts when the attacks started happening, also he's supposed to be the wisest wizard since merlin, so why didn't he figure out it was a basilisk that was attacking the students.
I personally feel that Dumbledore planned out Harry's life. He also DIDN'T LET SIRIUS HAVE A FREAKING TRIAL. IF HE IS SOOOOOO RESPECTED, HE COULD HAVE SAID: " Bro, give the boy a trial", BUT NOOOOOOOO HE DOESN'T WANT TOO! Also, DUMBLEDORE KNEW THAT HARRY WAS BEING MISTREATED AND DID NOTHING! HE COULD HAVE MADE SURE THAT THE DURSLEYS DIDN'T MISTREAT HARRY! DUMBLEDORE LITERALLY PLANNED FOR HARRY TO FREAKING DIE!!!!!!!! One second,let me do something: Sevvy: So.......Harry is going to die at 18, and you raised him as a pig, you knew Sirius was innocent and didn't give him a trial, you knew the Dursleys mistreated him,everything Harry knew about you was a lie? Dumbles: Yep!
Well it depends on which part of his life you look at. When you go and look at his past and see his letters with Grindelwald it could make him seem evil but overall I think he cares for other people more than he cares about himself. He sacrificed his hand and life so that voldemort would be vanquished
Lmao do you know why he got that infection on his hand? Because he put the resurrection stone on for power and then realized it was cursed by Voldemort. Karma is a bitch Dumbledore
@@ProjectTH-cam lol. It wasn't a infection. It was a curse. And yes, he did get selfish at time but he was in general a very good person. Everyone has flaws. That's what makes them more human.
Dumbledore's flaws extend into adulthood. Let's not forget the ring, which still called to him. Ultimately responsible for his death, the temptation remained.
Yeah, he's evil. Instead of choosing to take care of his family, his sister whom he neglected, he chose to plot about making muggles inferior to wizards. He was the one who gave Grindlewald the idea of "the greater good." Had his sister not been killed, Dumbledore would have been another dark wizard just like Voldemort. Next Dumbledore neglected Tom Riddle, leaves him in a muggle orphanage and didn't bother to try and get to know him. Had Dumbledore made an effort to help Tom Riddle, there wouldn't have been any Voldemort. As a headmaster, Dumbledore turned a blind eye to the marauders bullying of Snape, he swept Snape's traumas under a rug and didn't help him at all, causing Snape to go to turn to Voldemort. Dumbledore was also the reason why Lily and James died. While he did put them under a fidleus charm, he didn't become their secret keeper and took James's invisibility cloak when they could have used that should Voldemort find out where they are. He also doesn't do anything to protect the Longbottoms who could have been targets of Voldemort while the Potters were in hiding. He leaves Harry with abusive relatives. He only takes an interest in Harry because he's the boy who lived. Had Neville been the boy who lived, Dumbledore would have ignored and neglected Harry. He turns a blind eye to a professor physically abusing a student. (Fake Mad Eye Moody abusing Draco.) Dumbledore only suspected Moody wasn't Moody when he took Harry away from Dumbledore after Cedric's death, basically what fake Mad Eye Moody did to Draco was something they real Mad Eye Moody would have done and Dumbledore ignored the abuse. Dumbledore also raised Harry like a pig for slaughter, neglected Harry after Voldemort came back, and he also manipulated Snape.
Dumbledore did offer to be their secret keeper and they refused saying that they wanted Sirius, because they were friends, so that's their fault because if they had made Dumbledore secret keeper they never would have died and Harry could have had a family, Sirius would never have gone to Azkaban, and would have been a doting Godfather to Harry
For the first one I agree with you. No, I can't agree with the second one. Tom would be Voldemort even if Dumbledore offered him help and don't forget he did offered him help. Tom refused. He wanted to do everything alone. Dumbledore kept a close watch on him as Tom studied in Hogwarts but he was never caught. What would Dumbledore do ? For the third point, I don't want to say but I have to agree. Although Snape would have probably become a death eater cause he has a terrible childhood (before coming to Hogwarts), but still yeah, he should have seen the bullying. I agree with you. The fourth point is absolutely wrong. Even if Dumbledore didn't take the invisibility cloak, James and Lily would still die. Remember, the invisibility cloak doesn't block or protect from spells. It just makes the person invisible. Just invisible. Nothing else. It doesn't save him from death. The tale of the three brothers about escaping death was a fairy tale. They were just gifted wizard who found/created the deathly hallows. The "death" part is a myth. Dumbledore said it himself to Harry and Harry too knows it that the invisibility cloak wouldn't save them. And as the person above me has said, James refused to keep him as his secret keeper. The fifth one is correct although the reason is not ! He left Harry there to keep him safe. His mothers blood will protect him cause its lives in Harry and his aunt (Lily's sister). He did it to protect him from Voldemort. Dumbledore told that to Harry in the half-blood prince. The sixth one is slightly wrong. Yes, he took interest in Harry cause he is the chosen one. If Neville would be the chosen one, he would teach Neville to fight instead of Harry. But ofcourse , it can't be Neville. Harry was chosen. The story was wriiten like that. Don't forget if Neville was the chosen one, Harry's parents wouldn't have died. Voldemort would have gone after Neville and his parents ! So Harry would not of course be neglected. You are a Draco stan aren't you ? Bruh, like Mad-eye didn't abuse him ! He just transformed him. Draco wasn't hurt. Don't say, "Draco wasn't bad, he had no choice". I know that, but you can't just read Fan fics and say Draco's father abused him. Lucius loved Draco. Yes, he was hard on Draco but still he loved him like his son ! If you read all my points, you will understand the last one is slightly incorrect. Dumbledore didn't manipulate Snape ! From where did you get thay information ? But yes, I agree, he raised Harry like a pig for slaughter for the greater good.
Dumbledore’s affiliation with Gellart Grindewald. Me: When they like 14! And Dumbledore realized his mistakes and didn’t trust himself with power! That’s why he turned down being Minister for Magic! Multiple times!!
I always had some issues with Dumbledore. He’s not evil or even necessarily bad, but he is a deeply flawed individual. As a young adult he was selfish and cocky and had to go through some major growing pains to become humbled, but in the end I think he had good intentions even if he didn’t always go about it the best way. I think this actually makes him one of the more interesting characters in the books since his morality is not clearly black or white.
The worst thing Dumbledore did was not fighting for Sirius' freedom after he knew for sure he was innocent. He knew that a free Sirius would demand custody of Harry, taking him away from Privet Drive and possibly making it harder to convince Harry that he needed to make the ultimate sacrifice. He deprived Harry of the chance to have a true parental figure in his life because Dumbledore needed him independent. With a father figure to leave behind, Harry might have hesitated on giving up his life for the greater good.
I always thought that Ministry of Magic woupd stand in the way and would demand Hard evidence that Sirous didn't kill Peter. So long they didn't have Peter they wouldn't release Sirius. The only thing Dumbledore would say was that Sirius was Oder of the Phoenix member and he was the One who resigned from Fidelus charm. Lets also remember that Ministry has it's own shady and irrational behaviour at that time.
I have always said I felt the TRUE villain of the series is Dumbledore. The death of his sister may have pulled him from being a blood purist, but his methods in handling the world remained the same. His catchphrase 'for the greater good' is exactly what Grindlewald always said as went on his blood supremacist killing sprees.
Are you seriously going to compare Dumbledore who did what he did in order to stop the most dangerous wizard in the world to Grindelwald who was a wizard Nazi? Also true villain of the series was Dumbledore? Regardless of what you think of his actions, saying he's worse than Voldemort is objectively false. Voldemort is literally wizard Hitler.
Yes, Dumbledore was worse than Voldemort. And he would have killed right beside Grindlewald if not for the death of his sister. Dumbledore may never have struck a child under his care as a teacher and later as a headmaster, but he was most definitely abusive. He allowed and even encouraged the Marauders to torture Snape. But if you just look at Harry's life only, he gives them to the Dursleys knowing he'd be abused. Harry had other family. Sirius Black tells Harry in OOTP that the pureblood families were all interrelated and he was Arthur's second cousin once removed. James was a pureblood. Harry could have been put with the Weasleys, Augusta Longbottom, check even with Amelia Bones, but Dumbledore insisted he be put with people who'd abuse him, ignoring all reports from Miss Figg. He deliberately sets up deadly situations to test Harry that put other kids at risk too. He isolated Harry, telling his friends to tell him nothing as well ignoring him 5th year adding to the isolation and confusion, all so Harry would believe only Dumbledore cared about Harry's well-being. Mentally and emotionally he abused and manipulated Harry his entire life, again all for the 'greater' good. Yes, I stand by what I said, Dumbledore was and is the true villain of the story.
@@katholmes7112 Nah. Dumbeldore emphasises how much better he is than voldemort. Voldemort torutred his fellow orphans and opened the chamber of secrets and killed his own family. But he never changed unlike Dumbeldore. Dumbeldore was horrible at first but his sisters death(which he never intended unlike voldy and his family) changed him. Yes he sacrificed people for the Greater Good but only when he couldn't help it. I don't see how changing your horrible views and only sacrificing when necessary to save thousands of people is worse than killing people and intending to ruin everyone's lives other than mass murderers.
Albus Dumbledore is one of the best characters in the books, he is in my opinion neutral good. He has tasted darkness and even tempted himself with going down dark paths. It's his intelligence and highly perceptive nature that helped him to do what was right over basic morals and emotions.
Dumbledore is the textbook definition of chaotic good. He was the headmaster of a school and actually hated rules. How that works, I have no idea... Also, he did basically everything, literally EVERYTHING in his power (including many morally questionable things) to ensure that his side won in the end. In contrast, even Voldemort is not chaotic, he is considered neutral evil. If Voldy were chaotic, he wouldn't have given the Hogwarts defenders that one hour to bury their dead, tend to their wounded and give Harry up. He would have just come in, killed everyone else, get to Harry, then kill Harry too.
Albus dumbledore is my favorite character. I don’t call him evil. He’s very good and very right on the right side. However, his past complicated him and changed him. He did care about Harry but he knew the ends would justify the means and had to go to extremes to make sure voldemort was defeated. Which included Harry’s sacrifice.
Yep. Dumbledore also knew Harry would survive that sacrifice, as he would have just killed Voldemort`s soul inside of him, which is exactly what happened.
But he could have made it way easier for Harry, if he really cared for Harry he would have not dismissed Harry’s feelings and kept crucial information from him he claimed he loved him when really dumbledore was just persuading his own interest and taking advantage of Harry
@@brentlionakaboldchamp yes the moment Harry informed Dumbledore that Voldemort took his blood,there was a slight smile on his face for a moment, which then disappeared. He knew that there is very much chance that Harry can Survive that killing curse. He just didn't wanted to tell him this because then there would be no sacrifical protection for those who he wanted to protect. In Hagrid' words " Great man Dumbledore "
Evil is maybe a strong word but Albus Dumbledore is definity a dark grey character. Not because of how he treated his siblings, how he viewed them (I find it hard to judge him due to my own personal experiences) but because of one phrase: "For the greater good". This is one of the most clever things JK Rowling added to his character as one phrase tells you everything about the man. Despite what has happened in his past and how infamous the phrase would become (being plastered over the gates of Nurmengard), every action he took in his life, any goal he set for himself, that phrase would guide his hand and this to an extreme degree... Dumbledore, perhaps with heavy heart, did dark deeds or allowed them to happen for the greater good. I still have to watch "Crimes of Grindelwald" but from the original 7 books, we can clearly see he wasn't a traditionally good man. He did what he deemed to be necessary "For The Greater Good", no matter the personal cost it would entail, either from him but mostly from others. He was like a chessmaster, willing to sacrifice pieces if that could improve his place on the board, he embodied the idea of: you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. He was manipulative and sacrificed people left and right if that meant he could gain an advantage and had little moral qualms about it. Interestingly and this makes him quite unique and a great anti-hypocrite: he considered himself an egg as well: when it became all to clear to him that his own death would benefit the Greater Good, he started to make the arrangement to be snuffed out as well. The curse on his hand sped up the time table maybe but I do feel that he was always to die for his cause if that meant the blow to the other side would be significant enough (and it was, it lined up Voldemort for the killing blow, whether the latter realized it or not). I could list up every action he took, that was morally dubious or hints at morally dubious motives for the Greater Good but it would ended up a very long list as most of his actions with story significance was that.
So I could kill half the human population to save the earth and say it's for the greater good. Would that make me a morally grey person? Ah no it's fine if everyone thinks I'm evil I can just kill myself as well to make myself look less evil. Yeah no everyone would still think I'm evil, same with Dumbledore. Just because he was willing to die for the cause in the end doesn't make him any better
@@-synchronize The short of it: I see him as morally dark grey (though not evil) and most of his decisions in his life (mostly against dark wizards), obey the principle of "For the Greater Good". As in he will make morally dubious choices if he believes it will benefit the larger wizarding world positively.
@@ProjectTH-cam Honestly? You could and still be considered morally grey... Killing few to save many can often considered to be morally grey, when there is no immediate better alternative. Good and evil are tricky things: if you kill an innocent, you're evil, if you kill a killer, you're a hero. But imagine if by killing an innocent, you stop a serial killer from ever killing again... That's when things get complicated as what's more evil: killing the innocent but spare countless others or sparing the innocent yet ensuring that the killer will kill again... This is Dumbledore's situation in a way (though a bit more complex): every action he takes that causes to make others suffer, it is done so many more won't suffer in the future. He gives them up "For the Greater Good". Is that evil? Maybe for those who are sacrificed and for their families but the rest of the world would like frown but understand the actions, cold as they are. That's why I call him dark grey. His willingness to sacrifce himself was also more to highlight his commitment to "For The Greater Good" principle. On a side note and just out of curiosity: your name... Are you by any change Dutch or Flemish?
Albus Dumbledore is the most intriguing character ever. I’m sure he’s done questionable things. I don’t think one can become the owner of the 3 Hallows without casting a few unforgivable curses. There’s a scene in the last movie, in snape’s memories where he beg Dumbledore to not kill him One thing I don’t understand, if Voldemort needed to kill Harry (as Dumbledore was planning so that Voldemort would destroy the horcrux that was Harry) who was supposed to kill Voldemort ?
My first thought is Dumbledore himself, but that only work up to the beginning of HBP. I think in the end the plan was either for Snape to kill Voldy (And once the horcruxes were destroyed, he might have pulled it off) or Dumbledore anticipated Harry's opportunity to go back and defeat Voldemort then.
He was brilliant. And that was both his blessing and his curse. Smart enough to take over the world, but also smart enough to resist once he saw the consequences. Smart enough to plan for Voldemort's possible return the same night he was destroyed. Smart enough to realize that his plan was needed after the first book. He had many years to consider and try to find other ways, only to find that his first plan was the only one that had a chance to work. Time to understand the consequences of that plan, both failure and success. Here was a man who almost fell to darkness, and what he saw made him stand against it. Are you really surprised that for one who stared at the darkness for so long, that a little reflected off? Real heros are often cold because of the many hard choices they had to make "for the greater good".
He's not evil, he's a general fighting a war, he knew Voldemort wasn't dead after he tried to kill Harry, so Dumbledore strategised and planned for the eventuality of Voldemorts return and how he could be stopped for good
Part 1: It's really sad that by the end of Book 7 we learned that Harry was no "great wizard" or really even a hero at all. He was just a naïve boy/teenager brainwashed and manipulated by Dumbles into suicide for a cause. It proved no different than any other child brainwashed and manipulated by religious extremists (almost always Islamic) into strapping explosives to themselves and blowing themselves up along with, "the enemy." After all, in those adults' minds, it too is for, "the greater good." I hope you'll excuse my extreme disgust with any adults using children in a war and knowingly setting them up to die. It's an ultimate evil to use a child like that, no matter what the cause or reasons may be, and it DEFINITELY makes Dumbles every bit as much a monster as Voldy. OotP, Chapter 37, Dumbles to Harry: "Five years ago you arrived at Hogwarts Harry, safe and whole, as I had planned and intended, well - not quite whole. You had suffered. I knew you would when I left you on your aunt's and uncle's doorstep. I knew I was condemning you to ten dark and difficult years." HBP, Chapter 3, Dumbles to the Dursleys: "He has known nothing but neglect and often cruelty at your hands." "The magic I evoked fifteen years ago means that Harry has powerful protection while he can still call this house 'home'. However miserable he has been here, however unwelcome, however badly treated, you have at least, grudgingly, allowed him houseroom." What Dumbles did was no different than kidnapping an African-American infant and forcing the poor child onto a family of Ku Klux Klan supporters with a threat to provide the child a home. Harry received the same treatment you'd expect for that poor child assuming (s)he wasn't killed outright, don't you think? Sure, he survived, but as nothing more than a horribly abused slave of the Dursleys. It was stated clearly that Harry's abuse was physical as well as mental and emotional. There was mention of Petunia striking him over the head with a hot frying pan in the kitchen as well as Vernon's comment about nothing being impossible to 'beat' out of the "freak" implying that beatings were common. Then of course they also encouraged Dudley's 'Harry Hunting' and attacks on the, "freak." Dumbles could've done something to ensure that Harry's childhood wasn't dark and difficult but instead chose not to and, in doing so, he proved that 'dark and difficult' childhood was, in fact, precisely what he really wanted Harry to suffer through. The Wizarding World is full of charms and potions compelling particular behavior. It would've definitely been preferable and much happier for both Harry and the Dursleys if Dumbles had at the very least used a Compulsion Ward or Charm to ensure Harry was at least accepted, if not loved, by the Dursleys. After all, his living with them was deemed by Dumbles to be necessary regardless of them clearly not wanting Harry. Thus he proved, by forcing Harry upon them, that they lacked any real free will in the matter; that what they wanted was unimportant, anyway, in the much greater need for Harry's safety. (Dumbles's Howler to Petunia, "REMEMBER MY LAST!" when the Dursleys were about to throw Harry out along with prior statements scattered throughout earlier books proved that Harry's residence with the Dursleys was coerced upon the Dursleys in some way by Dumbles). So why then didn't he take the added step to ensure Harry grew up well, since the Dursleys' free will didn't matter to him anyway? In fact, his coercion absolutely ensured the Dursleys would take out their resentment and hatred upon Harry. It was abundantly clear that he fully intended Harry's suffering through an abusive and enslaved childhood because he needed the boy (and prophesied weapon) meek, weak, and fully obedient to easy control by adults. After all, Dumbles fully admits that he knowingly subjected Harry to more than a decade of abuse and enslavement by his relatives with no such effort to ensure Harry's well-being. Is it any wonder that Harry trashed the old bastard's office afterwards (and I don't blame him)? It might be confusing to some, how later, Harry did a 180 and was again "Dumbles's man" despite the evil Dumbles knowingly inflicted upon him. But all that was needed to fully regain and seal Harry's loyalty was Dumbles paralyzing and forcing Harry into watching the old bastard intentionally martyr himself. He was dying already, but was careful not to tell Harry that. He made Harry believe that he sacrificed himself to protect Harry and thus forever sealed Harry's zealous loyalty. It's a tactic called "martyrdom" and it's been used to seal complete and zealous loyalty to a cause or person very successfully for more than a thousand years by cultists and also historically by Islamists. It was also the very fate he had planned for Harry - to die as a martyr. I strongly encourage everyone to read up on the subjects of brainwashing children, the effects of neglect and abuse on a child's personality, and also children brought up in cults with figures and followings (such as Dumbles was in the Wizarding World). Only then could you truly understand how horrific of a monster Dumbles really was in not only what he did to Harry, but also how he used his position as Headmaster of the premier wizarding school in Britain to ensure generations of children's (and later adults') awe of him and belief in his apparent goodness and infallibility. That belief allowed him to do virtually whatever he wanted under the Sun (ignoring laws at whim and even enslaving the infant hero of the Wizarding World to hateful and abusive Muggles) with little or no question from anyone. The only one who would've questioned Harry's placement was conveniently thrown in prison without a trial by Crouch Senior of the DMLE and Bagnold of the Ministry, with the ASSISTANCE of Dumbles as the Chief Warlock. He admitted that he gave the DMLE "evidence that Sirius Black was the Potters' Secret-Keeper" to ensure Sirius was sent to Azkaban. This is interesting since any such evidence would have to've been fabricated or exaggerated by Dumbles since, not only was Sirius NOT the Secret-Keeper, but according to the canon, Dumbles himself actually cast the charm to 'hide' the Potters. It was later revealed that it was the 'Fidelius Charm' that hid the Potters, so Dumbles would've most definitely known who was the real Secret-Keeper. It's a very stupid and very corrupt judge that sends people off to life-imprisonment and torture (Dementors are torture) without a trial. It was awfully convenient that the ONLY suspected Death Eater that was mentioned to've been sent to Azkaban without a trial just so happened to be the legal guardian of Harry Potter and Dumbles's only obstacle to control of the prophesied weapon. Especially when known and confirmed Death Eaters walked away free and were cleared without effort by Dumbles to ensure justice for them either. Also, particularly take note of the effect and effectiveness of isolating a child that's been exposed to extreme trauma - limiting their access only to an environment of people who hate and abuse them with the sole outside "friendly" contact and source of information being the one person who wants to control them. He ordered Hermione to cut off all contact for "security" reasons but there was NO reason whatsoever Hermione couldn't've remained in contact via phone or Muggle mail or that the Order guards couldn't've passed messages on for him at Grimmauld Place - EXCEPT that it would've given Harry other people he could trust and rely upon in his time of need. Dumbles couldn't have that. He needed complete control over Harry and so he blocked Harry from ALL other outside "friendly" influence except his own when Harry needed Hermione most in order to keep Harry dependent on him. In essence all of this proved Dumbles to be much like a Wizarding World equivalent of Charles Manson (a complete f*cking nutjob, if you ask me) or perhaps closer to being like Jim Jones (another complete f*cking nutjob) with a touch of mafia behavior in ensuring obstacles to his plans are, "out of the way." The sole difference being that instead of getting his followers to murder for him like Charles Manson and Voldy had done, Dumbles instead got them to die for him and his cause like Jim Jones. Harry and so many others essentially committed suicide at Dumbles's mere "asking". Anyone up for some Kool-Aid? Do you deny that Dumbles could've convinced a significant number of people in the Wizarding World (especially many of the children) to drink? (If you're not familiar with the reference, google "Jonestown" and brace yourself should you choose to view any of the images because, trust me, they're fucking sick and I hope Jones is burning in Hell).
Part 2: BOTH Dumbles and Voldy fought what's called a "proxy war" where they used others (cultish followers mostly, though, in Harry's case, he was simply a kidnapped and brainwashed child) to fight and die for them. BOTH of them manipulated, used and endangered, or outright sacrificed the lives of others, often innocents and children - without those people's knowledge or informed consent. Just because one's ends may be deemed noble doesn't mean that such evil methods are acceptable to reach those ends. The moment you commit an act that evil, you are evil, regardless of the 'supposed' aims you committed the act for. Why is it to be any more tolerated for Dumbles and the "Light" to commit such atrocities than the "Dark" that're doing it? In fact, Dumbles always hypocritically used that very argument to discourage anyone from using lethal force against the Death Eaters, but yet all of his own actions and intentional inaction proved equally vile and evil in result, if not intent. It was the philosopher, Nietzsche, who said, "He who fights monsters should see to it that, in the process, he does not become a monster. And when you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." Knowingly enslaving an innocent one-year-old infant to fifteen years of hatred and cruelty as a means of shaping that child's personality for easier influence and control is but only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. How about discouraging his followers from properly defending themselves but rather, instead, let the enemy kill them? His complete insistence upon stunning and releasing torturers, killers, rapists, and terrorists only allowed them to be revived or released to later go off to torture and kill someone else. Something that's far more evil than putting down the rabid cat for what it is before it could hurt someone else. Note how the Malfoys among others were walking free at the end of DH despite the murders and tortures they'd done. How many others've since then likely been tortured and killed by them in the intervening nineteen years before the epilogue? Dumbles operated under the premise that the lives and well-being of everyone else, particularly future victims, are unimportant compared to his belief in giving infinite second chances of redemption and repentance to killers, torturers, rapists, and terrorists, who're all people who don't at all desire or want redemption and repentance. Many good people died unnecessarily all thanks to Dumbles's cult of personality. I think the most telling difference between Dumbles and Voldy though, was that Ol' No Nose's followers had the choice whether or not to serve him. Dumbles, on the other hand, kidnapped an infant boy and then conditioned (brainwashed) him through years of slavery and abuse followed by manipulation into suicide for Dumbles's cause. In other words, Moldyshorts's followers had a choice while Dumblef*ck enslaved innocent children into his service. You can't get much more vile and despicable than that. Ultimately Harry Potter was nothing more than a poor kid that was kidnapped and brainwashed by the "good guys" into being a suicide bomber. (I'd compare Harry to Jason Bourne, but Harry had absolutely no choice in the matter and no special training or preparation beyond the brainwashing to die for everyone else). By the end of DH there's a huge amount of suffering, blood, and death on Dumbles's hands (as much as or even more than on Voldy's and his Death Eaters') for his usage of others and refusal to use his own power (magical and political) to truly stop any of them from harming or killing others. It's a lot like a cop that chooses to stand by and merely watch while a scumbag guy r*pes and murders an eight-year-old girl - refusing to help for whatever his own personal reasons. Who's the bigger monster? The sick f*ck doing the r*ping and murder or the person who's taken on the title, position, and responsibility - trusted by all to protect the victim - but instead refuses to do so as the girl's r*ped and murdered without a care? Dumbles even went so far as to not only protect such monsters from being rightfully killed in self-defense or justice, but even worse invited such monsters into a school full of children. Equally as horrific was knowingly enslaving children to hateful monsters as a means of brainwashing and control. Not just the Dursleys, but also Snape. Ask yourselves about the "coincidence" of the only long-term Professor being outright abusive of Harry who just so happened to be "promoted" to teaching Harry's best magical subject the year Harry would've left his influence in Potions class because he failed to meet the minimum grade Snivellus required. It was blatantly clear that Dumbles used Snivellus to keep Harry abused and beaten down while at Hogwarts and away from the Dursleys' abuse. Harry was never given a reprieve from the bullying and abuse because that's what Dumbles wanted and needed in order to shape him into a martyr who believed his own life had no value and was better to sacrifice for others more deserving of life and happiness. That's what disappointed me most about the canon. Ultimately, Harry was revealed to've never been a hero at all. Instead he was nothing more than a severely used and abused victim, kidnapped as an infant from his legal guardian and brainwashed into his role of suicide for Dumbles's cause. Those who read the books should heed its hidden warnings against adults in positions of authority over children exploiting children for their own purposes and ideals, and the use of children in wars by adults. I think the excuse of, "Dumbledore, who has made some bad mistakes, is doing his best to rectify them.", is just a cheap cop-out/get-out-of-jail-free card for the old man. He made dumb mistakes and how he tries to rectify them, he does a pretty p*ss-poor job at that. When given the opportunity to fix all his mistakes, he just uses that as an open door to make the same damn mistakes all over again, or make new ones as well. He clearly makes the dumbest decisions I think a human being could make, my new girlfriend even wonders if he's just flat-out stupid. It's stupid and annoying as all f*cking hell when he keeps constantly saying that he's made "a lot of mistakes" and that they were "an old man's mistakes" over, and over, and over again. No, you dumbass old idiot, what you did weren't an old man's accidental mistakes...what you did was fully and completely intentional. A wise being (Yoda) once said, "Lessons learned too late, mistakes are." and that a mistake is only an accidental mistake when you don't know what the outcome'll be in the future and feel horrible about the action that you took, and actually are sympathetic about your regret and guilt, not lying to others only to save and cover your own ass. However, if you intentionally know what the outcome's gonna be...then it's not an, 'accidental mistake', it was an intentional, deliberate action, regardless of what the outcome would be following the action taken and made, meaning that the person didn't f*cking care. If mistakes were cookies, then Oprah Winfrey would still be f*t as all hell like she was still on hiatus.
Part 3: I once accidentally spilled my orange juice all over the floor at the kitchen table because I was distracted by watching the TV, THAT was an accidental mistake because I didn't know the outcome of me spilling the juice because I thought I wasn't distracted and was aware enough that I wouldn't knock over my glass when I was putting it down on the table. Accidentally stepping on someone's foot in a dark movie theater, that's a mistake. Intentionally setting up a teenage boy to martyr himself through intentional, sacrificial suicide and only being raised in an abusive household just to die as a sacrificial lamb scapegoat for slaughter, that's DEFINITELY NOT a mistake, and is the work of an evil, heartless, and black-hearted monster. Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumblef*ck can lie all he wants that he actually cared about Harry and was only doing the best that he could to protect him...but I know that's complete and utter bullsh*t, and can perfectly, clearly, see through the old bastard's lies. He wanted Harry to completely weaken Voldy Moldyshorts after destroying all of his Lucky Charms Horcrux prizes, get killed in the process in the final battle of the war, and Dumblef*ck would step in and kill the completely weakened Voldy once and for all in front of the entire Wizarding World, thus taking all the fame, glory, and credit himself for vanquishing the two most powerful Dark Wizards of modern times (Voldy and Grindelwald) (and two of some of the most powerful wizards to have ever lived), which would cement his fame in the history books and have him arrogantly and egotistically declare himself to be the most powerful wizard and most powerful user of magic to have ever lived to the entire Wizarding World (supposedly thinking himself to be more powerful and greater than Merlin and even surpassing Merlin). Dumblef*ck was a lying f*cking piece of sh*t ever since the first book and film when, at the end when Harry was in the Hospital Wing, he told Harry, and I quote from the book, "I shall not, of course, lie", and yet all the f*cking old man does is lie throughout the rest of the entire book and film franchise. Just like Krazy K*ntleen Kennedy, the way to know when Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumbass Dumblef*ck is lying is when he opens his f*cking mouth, just like with knowing when KKK is lying is when she opens her f*cking mouth. The old man says he believes in and tries to do justice, and yet, all he does is lie...which goes against the meaning of justice. To quote Paul Dano's Edward Nashton a.k.a. Riddler from Matt Reeves's 'The Batman', "If you're justice, please don't lie" because if you do lie then you deserve to have, to quote Emo Peter/Bully Maguire from Spider-Man 3 (2007), "some dirt in your eye." Dumblef*ck thinks that whatever 'supposed' "wisdom" he spouts out is all that and is something important that everybody has to hear, but in reality, the real reason why he spouts out all of his bullsh*t is so that he has, to quote Chris Rock, "an excuse to run his f*cking mouth" and spout out all of his lying, cheating, stealing, manipulating, and controlling bullsh*t like he's giving the f*cking Gettysburg Address or something like that along those lines to his brain-dead, idiotic, brainless, and obedient sheep followers who would follow their "unquestioned leader" off a f*cking cliff. Obi-Wan Kenobi loved Luke Skywalker due to the fact that he was his best friend's and brother-in-all-but-blood's son and was like an honorary nephew to him, but he NEVER set up Luke to die against Darth Vader and Darth Sidious. Professor Charles Xavier a.k.a. Professor X kindly and selflessly took in hundreds of teenage Mutants and, by his own generosity, gave them a place to live in his own home where he and other members of the X-Men taught them to control their powers so that they could protect the Earth for the betterment of mankind, but he NEVER set up any of the students under his guidance, tutelage, and protection to die. He also allowed normal humans to attend his school alongside their Mutant counterparts and peers, and didn't discriminate against non-powered regular humans attending his school, like Dumbles discriminated against Muggles and Squibs attending Hogwarts (even being responsible for Petunia hating her younger sister's guts for the rest of her life, just because he wouldn't allow Petunia to go with Lily to Hogwarts and allow her to make her decision if she really belonged in and wanted to be part of the Wizarding World, by her own choice). He can lie all he wants and say he isn't racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminates against others all he wants, but he really IS a racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminating person underneath, while Charles wasn't. Gandalf didn't force Frodo to become the Ring-bearer of the One Ring and go on the quest with the Fellowship to Mordor to destroy the Ring in Mount Doom, Frodo chose by his own right, accord, opinion, and choice during the Council of Elrond to be the Ring-bearer and to take the Ring to Mordor to destroy it when the other members of the Council were arguing and debating among themselves. Gandalf asked Frodo if he (Frodo) was sure that he wanted to take the Ring himself to Mordor as the Ring-bearer, and that it was his (Frodo's) choice and his alone if he wanted to do it. When Frodo became the Ring-bearer of the One Ring Gandalf accompanied him and the other seven members of the Fellowship of the Ring to aid Frodo in his quest to take the Ring to Mordor, cast the Ring into the Crack of Doom, and bring an end to Sauron once and for all. Gandalf gave the life of his physical body to protect Frodo and the Fellowship from the Balrog, Durin's Bane, and battled against the Balrog atop the Misty Mountains where he struck down the demonic, fallen Maia, at the cost of his physical body's life. Gandalf did everything in his power to protect Frodo and his friends of the Fellowship, but he NEVER set up Frodo or any of the other members of the Fellowship to die, as they chose to go on the quest even though they knew they could most likely die, but again, that was THEIR CHOICE and theirs alone. Gandalf didn't make it for them. In First Year, he decides to hide the Stone in a school full of children knowing that a homicidal maniac and terrorist is after it. Why doesn't he just shoot fireworks up in the air to spell out, 'THE STONE IS HERE, VOLDEMORT.'? Next, he has the Stone guarded by a giant, killer three-headed dog that could get loose and kill somebody. I won't take the excuse that he's harmless, he nearly took Harry's and Hermione's heads off when he tried to bite them. Yeah, really harmless there. He then literally decides to go into detail about the third floor corridor, knowingly enticing students to check it out instead of not saying anything that'd peak their curiosity. But instead, he's literally almost baiting kids to go there. The only thing between a curious student and Fluffy, was a locked door, which Hermione or any other First Year, with barely a month of being at school, was/would be able to open! The old, bearded, dumbass made the oldest, stupidest mistake in the book. From what my girlfriend Holly's sister and brother-in-law told Holly and I about their reactions to the old man's sheer stupidity is that: tell a whole school of children not to go somewhere, and most, if not all, of them will/would, just to find out why they shouldn't! Next, he says that the Forbidden Forest is also off-limits, yet has Harry, Hermione, and Neville go in there for detention (I don't care about Malfoy, since he could've been gutted like a fish by a Werewolf and I wouldn't care). Well, why don't you just blindfold them and have them walk head-first into a minefield while you're at it, you idiot? And finally, the very clever Dumbles has the Stone guarded by traps that're so pathetically simple that a pair of First Years were able to navigate through them, no problem. He should've placed a Fidelius Charm on the Stone and made himself the Secret-Keeper to make sure it was completely safe.
Part 6: Dumbles is just a bad guy and that's it; plain and simple. He knowingly sent a baby into an abusive environment, completely abnegated his responsibilities as Chief Warlock and Supreme Mugwump (that's a five day discussion by itself), intentionally set up a young man for a suicidal self-sacrifice without warning or preparing him (Harry with a ridiculous Horcrux inside him), allowed a sadist to abuse his student population (Snivellus), allowed for substandard teaching at Hogwarts (History of Magic, Muggle Studies, Defense Against the Dark Arts (Year 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6), Potions (Year 1-5), and Divination), and routinely failed to protect his students from harm. "...Dumbledore will happily betray the innocent in the hopes of saving the guilty." - (Sprinter1988) Dumbles is also a monster because: 1) He didn't contact the students' parents and families about the attacks and petrification. Also decided not to contact the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, Auror Department, Magical Law Enforcement Squad, and the Ministry of Magic to send a group of Aurors and Hit Wizards from the DMLE, Auror Department, and MLES, as well as Director Saul Croaker and a group of his Unspeakables from the Department of Mysteries to help in the Chamber of Secrets incident and to hunt down and kill Slytherin's Monster or the "Serpent of Slytherin" (Slytherin's Basilisk), and to put an end to the incident so that no more students were petrified, or worse, killed. (Second Year) 2) He had an Acromantula colony in the Forbidden Forest that was near the school and could've led to the students being attacked by the Acromantulas, should they choose to emerge from the forest and attack both the students and the school. He knowingly placed all of his students and the entire school in danger with having the Acromantula colony nearby as they had no qualms about killing humans and devouring human flesh, which all of the students were humans (obviously). (Second Year) 3) He knowingly and purposefully kept three of Harry's rightful family heirlooms from him that were all heirlooms of the Peverells, whom Harry is descended from by blood and was the last, noble, heir and descendant of the Peverell Family (i.e. the Elder Wand, the Resurrection Stone, and the Cloak of Invisibility). (Prior to First Year, but also First Year until Christmas for the Cloak; First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Year with the Wand; and Sixth Year with the Stone) 4) He purposely decided not to acquire the Mandrake Restorative Draught from mature Mandrakes anywhere in Britain and to transport the draught to Hogwarts to immediately awaken the students from their petrified state, instead of waiting for the immature Mandrakes to grow at a slow rate that resulted in the students being awoken over five to six months later, thus leading to the students falling behind in their classes due to them having to make up for the work. (Second Year) 5) He knowingly hired Lockhart, whom he knew was a charlatan and a fraud. He subjected multiple Fifth and Seventh Year students to being taught by a fraud imposter and sabotaging their DADA classes and school grades by not having them prepared for the DADA portion of the End-of-Year exams when they would take their O.W.L.s and N.E.W.T.s at the end of the year, thus resulting in them most likely failing the DADA O.W.L. or N.E.W.T. of the exams. (Second Year) 6) He knowingly and purposefully sealed James and Lily Potters' Will that said that, "Under no circumstances is Harry to be raised by Petunia and Vernon Dursley" and that Harry was meant to be placed with guardians whom James and Lily chose; that included Sirius Black as first in line as Harry's godfather, Alice Longbottom as second in line as Harry's godmother, Remus Lupin as third in line as honorary uncle, and Amelia Bones as fourth in line as honorary aunt. He kidnapped Harry from his rightful guardian, whom he knew Sirius was innocent due to him swearing the Unbreakable Godfather Vow and would be unable to betray the Potters even if he was the Secret-Keeper, and deliberately left Harry with his magic hating relatives; knowingly defying Harry's parents' Will that said they forbade Dumblefuck from taking him to the Dursleys' home and being raised by Petunia and Vernon. (Prior to First Year) 7) He had no right interfering in Harry's life outside of Hogwarts. He might've been the Headmaster and all, but outside of Hogwarts and after the school year ends, he has no right overstepping his boundaries and attempting to interfere with Harry's life when he wasn't at Hogwarts and currently under its jurisdiction when school was in session. He also was a liar with saying that he was trying to give Harry a normal life and childhood, as well as only wanting Harry to be happy, when he knowingly placed Harry in an abusive household where he could've been seriously injured, or even killed by Vernon through manslaughter if the man went off more than ever before. (Fifth and Sixth Year) 8) He hypocritically said that Harry, Hermione, and the Order of the Phoenix shouldn't kill in self-defense when encountering Death Eaters, but that, in the end, Harry had to KILL Voldemort in order to get ridda him for good. What makes Voldy any different from his Death Eater followers that only he should be killed and they, who are equally evil, vile, monsters, should be allowed to continue drawing breath and be allowed to live, instead of being killed along with their supposed, "unbeatable Lord"? And when it comes to Dumblef*ck trying to say his bullsh*t fortune cookie excuse of, "All life is important", I have to say a quote from a once, great, man when I ask, "What's more important, the life of an innocent person or the life of a killer?" And his bullsh*t of always saying that what he does is only, "for the Greater Good", I can also counteract by saying another quote from that once, great, man and that's, "A purpose as defined by a single man, no matter how noble he believes it to be, can never be the Greater Good. It takes a special kind of man to wield power and kill if necessary to defend the innocent, and yet maintain their humility and humanity." Clearly Dumblef*ck isn't a special kind of man at all, and is no 'good' man only trying to do 'good' in the world. He's just as much a liar who spouts lies to his obedient, mindless, sheep followers who follow him thinking him to be perfect and unbeatable like every other lying, manipulative, dictator and leader throughout history has done so. Dumbles already held great amounts of political power in the government as the Headmaster of Hogwarts, the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot, and the Supreme Mugwump of the International Confederation of Wizards, and could have say in what laws were approved and what laws weren't, thus allowing him to have control of the government as all of the laws that he created and benefited him were approved, while the laws that he didn't create and didn't benefit him weren't approved. He was a liar when he said that he didn't want the position of Minister of Magic of which he said was because he said he didn't trust himself and couldn't be trusted with power, despite the fact that he still held a majority of powerful, political positions in the government, and he wanted the world to think that he himself was above the position of Minister and that he was too good for it, as well as him being able to manipulate and control the Minister like a chess pawn or a puppet under the guise of 'advising' them so, in a way, he was really controlling the Ministry and the magical government of Wizarding Britain right in front of their very eyes, hiding in plain sight; like a snake. And the only two ways to take out a snake are to cut its head off, or, as Danny Trejo said, "bite it in the ass." (Prior to First Year, but also First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Year)
Part 8: The thing is, there were always these hints of 'supposed' "greatness" from the old coot, but never anything of real consequence. Even when Ol' No Nose Voldy Moldyshorts was only a student, Dumblef*ck suspected Riddle Junior was evil, but Dumbledork says himself, he didn't realize Tom would become one of the darkest, most evil, and most powerful wizards to have ever lived and graced the Wizarding World, and apparently didn't think enough of Tom being evil enough that The Old Brainless Bearded Wonder Blunder One should've raised any alarms with the authorities. And Dumbles never even tried to help Riddle as a student and then he never could catch Tom once he became Voldy. Instead, the readers are led to believe Dumbledork "bided" his time, and then everybody just got a lotta wise head-nods and "Just as I thought(s)" from the old Headmaster, when the rest of the world finally figured out that Ol' No Nose was a bad guy too. Meantime, Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumbass Dumblef*ck just absolutely let Voldy grow and thrive, despite apparently being perfectly aware Moldyshorts was up to no good. Of course, his excuse was always that Dumbles didn't have any proof, right? He just, "knew". That was another recurring theme. Dumbledork was 'supposedly' "great" enough to "just know" things, but could never quite "do" anything about it. So, when innocent wizards and witches began disappearing unexpectedly, Dumbles "knew" it was Voldy, but the crazy, manipulative old coot of an asswipe was apparently powerless to do anything about it. Or it was part of his lying, cheating, stealing, and manipulative, grand, elegant, brilliant, Greater Good, master, "plan". (I never understand how people disappearing and the entire Wizarding World being in mortal fear and danger for ten to twenty years was somehow part of Dumblef*ck's "plan" to bring down Voldy Moldyshorts, but I hear that comment often whenever I point out any given moment during the First Wizarding War that Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumbass Dumblef*ck did nothing, sat on his wrinkled, old ass, sucked on his lemon drops, and jerked-off thinking about Grindelwald naked or going down on him and sucking his d*ck.) Then there's that other popular defense. "Dumbledore couldn't know EVERYTHING." Right? Except...there's a little too much of what he should've known that gets thrown into that trash bin. Like Crouch Junior fooling him for a year impersonating Moody. For a YEAR. And it took the death of a student to FINALLY shine the light on him. Let me tell you something. If a kid dies on a Headmaster's watch, whatever the circumstances, "He couldn't know everything" is selling yesterday's donuts and calling them fresh baked, if you know what I mean. It takes the death of a student and for Crouch Junior to act completely out of character by dragging Harry off to Moody's office for Dumblef*ck to finally pull his bearded head outta his wrinkled, old ass and to figure out (sarcastically Oh my gosh he immediately just knew!) that there was an imposter in the house. Oh, yeah, Dumbles later gets that gleam in his eye. Guess he must've been pretty happy that Voldy got a hold of Harry. Because that makes a lotta sense. And Cedric? Cedric who? It's hard to file that one under, "he couldn't know everything." When you consider all the positions he chose to accept and keep, and the fact that he kept allowing himself to take on more responsibility...well...Everything comes back to his actions or inactions one way or another. Essentially he had so many responsibilities and duties that all of them were left lacking as a consequence. As Headmaster he failed to ensure the subjects were kept up to date and that all the teachers were doing their jobs. While you could try to blame only the government for making it harder/difficult/impossible to update or change subjects...he was the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot, so he deserved almost, if not all, of the blame, and so he would've been able to give his votes, his thoughts, and more on what should be taught at Hogwarts. Instead... Many of the Death Eaters went free after Voldy was first defeated. As he was the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot...that was in part his responsibility (he got Snivellus off after all...and at the same time he failed to ensure that Sirius got a trial). Said Death Eaters were also allowed to have political power and to spread the corruption in the Ministry. Harry was placed on the doorstep of his aunt's and uncle's home with a letter explaining the situation (he was old enough to be able to get around). Why not just ring the doorbell and talk to her and ensure his safety? Did Harry even get a medical evaluation or did he go directly from the cottage his parents were killed in to being abandoned outside her door as were likely?...As both Headmaster and Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot he knew the laws...and he also knew the proper way to do it legally. Had he merely been the Headmaster and not had any other political positions things, hopefully, would've been different, or just the same. As it was though...he hoarded important positions and then failed to do a proper job with any one of them...much less using said positions to fight for the Light (for which he was supposed to be the leader of and someone to 'supposedly' strive to be like)...What he did do was start the Order of the Phoenix, had a 'light hand' that got most of them killed (because they fought against those that wouldn't hesitate to kill while being asked to not kill in self-defense themselves), and ultimately left a baby responsible to defeat the Death Eaters, unmarked followers, and, finally, the only person said baby was supposedly prophesied to defeat.
I think it's pretty interesting how Snape reacted to hearing how Dumbledore was setting Harry up to die, both in the books and in the movie. In both cases, he was unhappy to say the least to hear it, despite not being the biggest fan of Harry, often antagonizing him. I think Snape was never really a bad person, just someone who had bad circumstances and never broke free of those circumstances and did some terrible things after falling in with the wrong crowd.
@@ashtonhaggitt216 he also was fine with a family being murdered including a 1 year old as long as he gets a chance to try to fck his ex best friend yup sounds like a “good guy”
If this is true, then Snape cared more than Dumbledore about Harry. The fact that Snape looked horrified when Dumbledore said this proves it Timestamp: 4:44
He only cared that a part of Lily was going to die and the work he had done to ensure her sacrifice was not in vain appeared to be for nothing. He didn’t care about Harry.
It wasn't that Snape cared for Harry. That's not why he looked horrified. He looked horrified because he realised how much he had been used, lied to and manipulated by Dumbledore. I could imagine there would be, after Voldemort's demise, a lot of Hogwarts faculty that would have felt the same way once they realised just how they had been manipulated into being complacent in the abuse of Harry and other students. I think if Minerva McGonagle was thinking she could open the school within a few months of the war, I think she was dreaming. I would say there would be quite a few faculty after Dumbledore's death and after the war was over that probably needed to go away and do some serious soul-searching.
Albus isn't evil. If he didn't plan out what he did then so many more wizards,witches and even muggles would've been killed by Voldemort and the Death Eaters. Albus is misunderstood. Albus did what was necessary to the save the wizarding and Muggle world. Albus did what was right by planning things out. Albus could've easily have don the easy thing and have just kept everything to himself and not let the Order,Ministry or the Golden Trio have a single slither of information.
I don't think Dumbledore is evil but he is one of my least loveable characters I hate him coz saying " greater good" he made many sacrifice their lives including Severus
Hogwart is one of the dangerous places on earth, so every student is at risk. Not a place I would send my kids. And sending Harry to Privot drive id almost as bad as putting him in Azkaban. And Harry and Co. had to fight Voldemort alone. If not evil, he was a bit dodgy …
Personally, my favorite Dumbledore theory from back in the day when I first read the books was that he was a time-traveling Ron Weasley. That being said, he very well could have ended up evil had his sister Ariana never died. His sister's death spurred him on to make a change and turn his back on Grindelwald's cause.
Dumbledore was in a position of power and had to make tough decisions in order to defeat Lord Voldemort who was infinitely evil. Decisions which he probably didn't like having to make.
Dumbledore wasn't evil, but he was focused on the greater good. He saw Harry as a weapon, allowing him to die would be saving millions. Moral question If you had the option save a child and kill a million people you don't know or let him die and stop a war.
Dumbledore may not be evil but he did treat Harry badly. For example, he sent Harry to live with the Dursleys (sorry if I spelt that wrong) knowing that he would be abused, he mentally neglected Harry a lot throughout the entire series, he withholds him from important information, and he raised him just so that he could die at the hands of Voldemort.
He did it for the greater good. He was right to withold most of the information. Harry is hot headed and he might have made a mistake if he knew. Only thing Dumbeldore should have told him was that voldemort might lure him into the Department of ministries
I think you’re spot on. I liked Snape more than Dumbledore. Snape was honest and forthright about his dislike of Harry; however, out of his love for Lily, he still watched out for him. Dumbledore, on the other hand, whilst appearing to like and help Harry did use him and played him false so many times.
i disagree. Snape would have seen james and harry die as long as lily was safe. Dumbledore sacrificed himself to defeat voldemort so anything he put harry through is understandandable
Like many successful men to whom others look for solutions, Dumbldeore began to believe only he had the tools, knowledge, and talent to save the Wizarding World from Voldie. The idea of sharing his knowledge and benefitting from the experiences and knowledge of others never even occurred to Dumbles. He was not evil; he suffered from hubris. Many lives could have been saved if only Dumbles had deigned to share what he knew.
While Harry may have had to live with the Dursleys, he could have done measures to make sure that he wasn’t being abused by them. And he could have spoke up to make sure Sirius had a trial before he was thrown in Azkaban for 13 years.
As a parent and an old-fashioned English teacher, I think this is more than a theory. Dumbledore may have had good motives. But his methods were simply the epitome of the "end justifying the means"--and, in reality, the end never justifies the means. He manipulates Harry from the very beginning of Harry's life and he never wavers from his master plan, even ordering his own death at another's hand regardless of what this will cost the one so-ordered (Snape). While we may admire--from a safe distance--Dumbledore's ability to execute such a complex scheme over a span of many years, we certainly cannot admire the way he caused his plan to be executed and its cost in human suffering. This is just one reason, and a serious one, that I consider the HP series to be good reading (to a point) for adults who can sort out these motives and methods. But I would not, as a parent or a teacher, recommend HP books for any child. Good work again, HP theory.
I dont know if I would go as far as to say that he is outright evil. But, he is more of a gray character than we were initially led to believe. That makes him 3 dimensional but less authentic and trustworthy than I had previously thought. I think except for the part where he didnt intervene when the Dursley's abused him, he is generally prioritizing the good of the Wizarding world above Harry, which I see as being a necessary evil given the circumstances. With that being said he still should have tried to be more transparent with Harry. His tendency to hide the truth, added a lot of unnecessary problems in an already stressful situation.
I'd really like to see a video detailing as much history as possible about the magical transportation methods of Harry Potter. Such as Floo Powder, broom sticks, apparition ect. Would be a great video :)
What is better? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? unrelated but could dumbledore have created a horcrux just believing that he killed/murdered his sister? ie is actually murdering someone a requirement or are there other scenarios where one can be created?
interesting thoughts. It sais that killing someone splits your soul, but is it the killing itself, or the intention of killing someone or the terrible thought of having killed someone?
No, it has to be an intentional murder, without remorse or regret. That is what causes the soul to split. Ariana's death was not intentional, she merely got caught in the crossfire. Also, regardless of whether it was Gellert or him who cast the spell that killed Ariana, Albus certainly felt remorse over her death. But, let's say Albus did intentionally murder Ariana with no remorse. He would still not have a Horcrux, as both the main and split soul fragments are still in his body. He would need to perform a spell to prepare the object that will house the fragment and then transfer the fragment to the object. Only when the object has the soul piece does it become a Horcrux.
@@Lotschi not just killing but murder, while dumbledore talked to snape, he strongly implies that snapes soul would only be split if he believed he murdered. and because of harry we know that magic that is normally triggered by a death doesnt necessarily need a death to happen, just the intent/belief that it will/did.
@@DarkXaven so lets say someone intends to murder someone with no remorse and performs the necessarily rituals but the person they tried to kill is actually still alive, would they be able to create a horcrux?
@@penteractgaming I think it depends on whether the killer knows if the victim survived or not. If the killer believes they have succeeded in killing the victim, then I think the soul would split. If not, then I don't think a split would happen.
Dumbledore was not evil, but he never truly let go of his ideology of " For the Greater Good." that he shared with Grindelwald, he just adapted that ideology into defeating Voldemort instead of using it to rule the Wizarding and Muggle Worlds.
The issue with Dumbledore in particular isn't that he's Evil. It's that he's pre-Horcrux Voldemort, but the *other side* of the coin. In the books especially, Dumbledore is treated like he's the magical equivalent of Jesus reincarnated. He just..collects people. Even before he became Headmaster, he probably had the clout to get Hagrid off with maybe a slap on the wrist for taking the fall for Riddle the first time the Chamber opened up. But did he? No. No, he did not. Same thing with Lupin, he could've made him a respected member of society, and potentially a champion of equal treatment of various other Near-Human Magicals. Instead, he let Lupin be forced to run around Europe, barely able to afford to live due to his condition being an automatic disqualifier for any job, until he needed a Defense teacher.
Also amount of bullying that goes on at Hogwarts without Dumbledore doing much about it. In fact sometimes he seems to encourage it with the way he puts the students from different houses against each other.
Remember the end of Deathly Hallows Part 2? Dumbledore explained himself quite plainly right then & there... in Portrait Form: "I've always had a weakness for Power." He, in my humble opinion, was right. That was a pretty big flaw to have, exacerbated by difficult early circumstances, & he took quite a long time to come to grips with it... understand it... realize the fault... & eventually find a way to make his peace with it. He however, could not simply chuck it outta his mind & slay it. He may well have eventually gone into Emotional Battle with it trying to figure out how to best it & better himself... a fight that lasted the entire rest of his life, like a battle between an Inner Lion and an Inner Snake. Some battles he won... (Like when he managed to succeed in Humility & show the wisdom to NOT accept the Post of Ministry of Magic he knew his Inner Demons would be able to feed off the power off way too easily... or the times, effort, & toil he did to shield Harry from Fudge's 'fudging up' at HIS trying to not suck at being a Minister of Magic.) some battles he lost... (Like his tragic tactical miscalculations that contributed to Sirius Black's Death... or Harry + Snape Occlumency Lessons...) but this is part of what made Albus such a Character. He was no Gandalf, he had a LOT of Internal Strife & Inner Demons issues. No one of logic or rationality can ever call him a Mary Sue. Though he will surely have a LOT of regrets to stew over in his Portrait Life & the Afterlife, he really coulda done worse... lots worse... Compare & Contrast Tom Riddle, who really seriously literally DID do worse... lots worse...
He was clearly not evil, none of the things he did were for the purpose of personal gain or hurting others. But he was VERY cold & calculating, with a certain amount of ruthlessness (he would happily club a baby seal to death, if it somehow resulted in a permanent end to dark wizards). He would HAVE to be, otherwise it would make no sense for Voldemort to fear him... would you ever fear anyone regardless of how much more powerful than you, if you knew that they were just a giant softy that would never do anything to harm you no matter what? ^ I wrote that before watching the video but after watching the first 3 minutes, it's clear that you just didn't comprehend the books when reading, if you even read them at all. The examples you use in support of your "theory" don't make any sense and are directly disproven within the books, making them not a "theory" so much as a lack of comprehension. 1. Dumbledore CLEARLY isn't trying to use Harry to gain power, as he himself stated that he never pursued the minister of magic position because he didn't trust himself to be able to handle power responsibly. Not to mention that supporting Harry clearly caused Dumbledore to LOSE power and influence and yet he continued to do so 2. He sent Harry to live with the Dursleys because of the blood magic protection thing, not because he wanted to be cruel for no reason... it was written directly in the book that the Death Eaters came to attack as soon as Harry turned 17, because that's when the protection wore off.... or are you suggesting that they arbitrarily waited for that time just for funsies? 3. He DIDN'T grow indifferent and mistrusting of Harry as he got older, wtf are you even talking about? Nothing in the book supports this. Unless you are referring to him specifically stating that he was avoiding Harry after learning that he was a horcrux for Voldemort's soul, while he was trying to figure out how to deal with that information, in which case he was clearly mistrusting of VOLDEMORT'S SOUL, not of Harry. 4. Dumbledore immediately believed Harry when he stated that he didn't put his name in the Goblet, what do you mean "he refused to believe him"?! I couldn't watch the video anymore past the first 3 minutes because it was so foolish and annoying. If you are going to make a "theory" video about something, you need to have at least a base level understanding of the subject, rather than just pull some random thoughts out of your butt. What you did is like if I made a video saying "what if the ocean is actually made out of cotton candy and not water?" and just made up a bunch of nonsense that is factually incorrect to try to support my "theory" such as saying "h20 is actually the elemental composition of cotton candy, not water" Simply a trash video by someone who doesn't know how to employ logic when crafting theories.
Video idea for you to do: What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do other than ward off dementors?
answer: can turn into an animal that represents a person’s inner personality experiences or passed on by love interest, but i like the idea of expecto patronum patronus charm, with ya all the way!
Dumbledore being evil cuz he didn't want to take care of his siblings, is by far the most stupid thing I ever heard! He was young and silly. Would you like to be in charge of a family after finishing high school? Who would? Does it make him evil? No way man, It makes him human! What would make him a poor written character would be him, at his 17-18 years old, being happy for having that responsibility over his shoulders!
I dont think dumbledore was evil but i cant say that he was all good either. I can say that he did what he thought was good. Even when he was on grindlewalds side he thought he was doing a good thing (and also love probably blinded him a lot). And eventually he did turn around his beliefs, obviously much later than he should have but im not claiming hes a saint. Harry was also a bit of a tricky one because while dumbledore cared a lot about him he knew harry was the only person that could stop voldemort so he had to put the greater good of all wizarding society ahead of harry. Its a tough decision to make especially when you care about someone so much and that someone is also really young but literally no other person could defeat voldemort so he HAD to train harry to be able to defeat voldemort when the time comes. there were definitely times where he could have handled that better but you have to remember that dumbledore is still a human being hes going to make mistakes, and he didnt do things just for the heck of it there was always a reason. Like when he didnt speak or make eye contact with harry that was because he knew voldemort and harry were linked and he was afraid voldemort would be able to access harrys thoughts and know dumbledores plans. Also i would just like to mention that in the books dumbledore DID believe harry when he said he didnt put his name in the goblet of fire (at least thats how i interpreted it) the movie just didnt handle it well. And he always believed harry about other aspects too (probably because of legilimency but still). I do think it was sucky to leave harry at his aunts house for so long and i don't want to excuse that, and he was also not good at hiring teachers at all. Although while he didnt really care about his students education he would always step in when someone or something was going to hurt them (except for harry lol). I think dumbledore was incredibly loyal and committed to his job and the wizarding world as a whole, yes that sometimes meant sacrificing other people but when the whole wizarding world is at stake you have to make tough decisions. And yes he had a dubious past but he turned around and made amends. Id say hes more of a grey/good leaning character more so than an outright evil one.
No. Absolutely not. Dumbledore was not evil. I just hate it when a major part of the fandom goes onto saying that dumbledore was manipulative and evil and careless and self obsessed and what not. What they dont see it that dumbledore did what had to be done. He always cared for harry and for everyone. He planned everything in a way he thoughtwas right. Some of his plans worked and some didn't. And that's what humans are all about. They all make mistakes. But a good human is the one who accepts his mistakes and learn from them and then go on to do the right things. Yes he was ignorant in his youth about grindelwald. He was just blinded by his love for him. But when he had to take a stand against him, he did. He choose good over evil. He fought against the love of his life and defeated him. He was a kind man. He was good and kind to all humans (magical or not), animals and magical creatures (elves, goblins, gaints, centaurs, warewolves, etc). And all what happened at Hogwarts during harry's time there was carefully planned by dumbledore. Somethings were definitely out if his control like the opening of the chamber and the return of Voldemort but he did what he could to prevent harm to his students and staff. He planned it with mrs. weasley to go to kings cross and meet harry. He told hagrid to not tell harry how to get on to the platform so that harry has to look for help and can befriend the weasleys. Molly obviously knew it was harry and that's why she said "packed with Muggles, of course" and “Now, what’s the platform number?” aloud. Dumbledore wanted harry to be around a decent wizard family like the weasleys. Dumbledore always doubted quirrell's intentions. He asked snape to keep an eye on him. He didn't knew that quirrell was carrying voldemort on the back of his head but he definitely knew that quirrell was doing what he did on voldemorts orders. He just wanted to know who harry was as a person so that he can guide him on how can he defeat the darkest wizard of all time. He knew that the stone was fully protected inside the mirror and knew that voldemort will never be able to steal it. He got those obstacles made to test harry and his friends. The obstacles were planned in such a way that they all matched perfectly with the abilities of the trio. He appointed lockhart to show harry what happens when one lets their ego and fame inflate their mind too much. Because harry had a really good first year (popularity wise). He saved the philosophers stone, he defeats voldemort again, he becomes the youngest quidditch player in a century and he helps gryffindor win the house cup first time after at least six years. Harry was bound to have gained a lot of popularity and dumbledore wanted to keep harry's ego in check and so he hired lockhart. Lockhart was a great example to put forth of what a man becomes if he lets his ego and fame tamper their mind. He didnt knew Sirius was a good man because he was not in the plan of changing the secret keeper for the potters. And that's why he never tried talking to sirius. But once he came to know about the truth he did what he could to save him. Some of his plans went wrong but it happens with everyone. He knew harry was destined to face Voldemort. And as the prophecy said "for neither can live while the other survives". It was not in dumbledore's hands to finish Voldemort. It had to be harry. Dumbledore gave him a way, taught him what he needed to learn to defeat Voldemort, tried his very hard to make a way to save harry. And his plans worked. Harry survived. It was his plan to make harry go in the forbidden forest and to let voldemort kill him so that the piece of voldemort's soul could be finished and harry could survive. He knew that harry will survive as Voldemort used harry's blood to make his own body. I am quoting the conversation between harry and dumbledore from goblet of fire when harry was telling dumbledore what happened after he touched the portkey in the maze which will prove that dumbledore cared for harry. “He said my blood would make him stronger than if he’d used someone else’s,” Harry told Dumbledore. “He said the protection my - my mother left in me - he’d have it too. And he was right - he could touch me without hurting himself, he touched my face.” For a fleeting instant, HARRY THOUGHT HE SAW A GLEAM OF SOMETHING LIKE TRIUMPH IN DUMBLEDORE’S EYES. That triumph in dumbledore's eyes was their because he finally saw a way to save harry. Dumbledore knew since the end of goblet of fire that harry will be able to survive. He knew that harry has now become invincible against voldemort. He knew that Voldemort will act as a 'lovecrux' for harry. He knew that Voldemort will never be able to kill harry as his body (as the sacrificial protection from lily lives in Voldemort's blood ehich will tether harry to life.) will keep harry alive. He had to do what he did. If you call that manipulation and being evil then be it. But if dumbledore didn't do what he did, harry would have died in his first year. P.S. - I can go on and on and on about how dumbledore was not what the 'general' people think he was. But I had to stop coz I dont think anyone's going to read it. (I know it too much but I couldn't help it.)
So the beginning of the Sorcerer's Stone is overly misleading, as we see Minerva, Dumbledore and Hagrid deliver baby Harry to the Dursely home. First off, there's a crime scene and a scarred baby. "Social Services" would be doing the delivery because you also need to get the kid in school so you need a birth certificate and the baby needed family not a cold school for Witches. So Dumbledore really had no choice but to let the Dursleys raise Harry. As it is, by taking the baby to the Dursleys would have implicated them for the murders of the Potters.
I don't think he was evil, but letting Harry be raised by the Dursley's and turning a blind eye to bullying, both with Snape getting bullied and later turning into the bully wasn't ok.
The first point i can understand somehow. But the two last theories I would rather put them in "He was young and stupid" categories. That wasnt evil. I also did things in my early 20s which I am not proud of. That doesnt make anybody evil or bad. We keep learning our whole life. The death of his sister was clearly an accident - an fatal and very tragic accident, but not more nor less. Albus Dumbledore in the books had a much greater personality then in the movies. Too be honest: Movie Dumbledore is in my opinion the biggest disappointment in comparison to the books.
While it's true that he made some questionable decisions from time to time, it's ridiculous to even suggest that Dumbledore was evil. He did what he thought was best even when he didn't like what he was doing. He didn't like leaving Harry with the Dursleys. He didn't like leaving Harry cut off from the wizarding world after Voldemort returned, and he certainly didn't like raising Harry knowing all along that Harry was a horcrux of sorts and was destined to die, destined to sacrifice his life in order to stop Voldemort. He did these things because he believed he had to in order to protect the wizarding world. Dumbledore was like a general sending young soldiers into battle knowing all the while that many of them would not return. He didn't like doing it, but it was what was required of him at the time. He wasn't always correct in his choices, but he tried to be even when it meant sacrificing those he cared for most or even sacrificing himself. Dumbledore was flawed, as we all are, but he was not evil.
Your criticism of Dumbledore's hiring of Slughorn is way off-base. Yes, Dumbledore had ulterior motives for wanting Slughorn at Hogwarts: in addition to the memory, there was also the possibility that Death Eaters could try to recruit him for their side. But the reason the Death Eaters would want him is the same reason that Dumbledore would want him on staff: he is an incredibly powerful wizard and one of the best potion masters in the Wizarding World. Furthermore, Slughorn had already demonstrated that he was a gifted teacher, having already been a professor at Hogwarts for many years. And whatever else you can say about Slughorn personally, he clearly valued talent and merit over every other quality in his students.
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He could have still had Harry living with the Dursleys, and being under the love protection, while _checking in_ on him and intimidating the Dursleys into not _neglecting_ Harry
Right?! That was a big gamble that still left Harry with subtle psychological scars of abuse. Harry could have been killed (even accidentally with the way the abuse was going) or developed a much darker personality etc. And I refuse to believe he couldn't do what you suggested
It’s against wizarding law to threaten and intimidate muggles he did it once that was enough for him but I agree with you he could have asked literally any witch or wizard to go to the house check on him and make sure he was ok but it was set in the 90s I think people forget that and honestly being a kid in the 90s I can say that the level of abuse Harry got was not uncommon
@@pitbullgaming9031 Exactly. I don't think these lots have read the book. In the 7th book, it is clearly mentioned that Dumbledore's father was seen as "a muggle hatter". Not only that but also Dumbledore was seen the same when he started school i.e. a muggle hatter. So if he would have threatened the Dursleys, the ministry and people like Rita would have made his life hell. He might again have to live being referred to as "a muggle hatter" for the rest of his life.
@@aditya.lakhani I agree with you 100%
@@aditya.lakhani what a Muggle hatter
Learning to love the ugly side of yourself is key to being whole. Knowing his dark side through this video ironically sheds light on him and just makes me love him more. I wouldn't go as far as to use the word evil though....
Super Carlin brothers did a whole seven part series on “Dumbledores Plan” it’s a great series. I recommend watching it.
Sirius black "We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are."
People have both Good and Evil in them.. If people didn’t have some evil in them they wouldn’t be normal. Dumbledore was the Greatest wizard.
Even someone who can see things from many angles can't always know exactly what will happen. Plus, seeing every possibility in a plan can spawn moral dilemmas. Plus, he made mistakes in the past, but a wise man learns from his mistakes. Dumbledore gained wisdom with age and experience.
Wait what's wrong with slughorn?? He was a bit shallow sure but a competent potions teacher and his loyalty itself was never in question. He actively hid from the deatheaters and joined the fight against them in the end
If dumbledore was “Evil” then I’m a fingernail
Edit: I’m haaalf?- a finger nail
He’s not evil! When he asked Harry if he put his name in the Goblet of Fire, he asked him CALMLY. He has manners.
yeah and voldemort wanted harry to bow before killing him
@@DefileOdds That was the movies, not the books. The movies got that very wrong.
Yeaaaah …. Are you sure he ask, …… Calmly? ..
He's not evil, but that's not a good reason why. Tom Riddle has manners.
Yeah but he still used him as bait and kept him in a mentally and physically abusive household then proceeded to ignore him for the rest of the year when his classmates, teachers and friends were all against him let’s not also forget how traumatized he was after seeing Voldemort literally come back and he kept important information from Harry and when he died he left three seventeen-year olds to figure it out for themselves so I’d say he’s pretty evil
Evil may be a stretch. But I do think he would have done very well in Slytherin.
That should have been his house
The Bich was evil. Dumbledore was evil and also he is gay. Yas!
@@blackleague212 okay??.. what does him being gay have to do with him being evil
@@mathosplays easy he grooms children
@@yosuancolon lol, he is for sure.
Dumbledore evil? I disagree, however his character was a clear example of "the end justifies the means", he wanted a good ending no matter the cost, be it his life, Harry's life or anyone else, to be fair the old Dumbledore showed us that he didn't care about his life, in fact I would even go as far as to say that if Voldemort did truly die he could have chosen to suicide at any point, he was already living on memories and regret, I would even say that he was depressed, but he still had something to do, to stop Voldemort and that was the only motivation that maintained him alive.
I don't believe that he was depressed but he surely had other mental issues
Dumbledore was mainly a Dark Wizard, learn his past with Gellert Grindelwald, than Dumbledore switched to the Good side ;)
"the end justifies the means" is just another way of phrasing "For the Greater Good".
@@grndlw Yep
Dumbledore did not let the Dementors Rome the grounds of Hogwarts they were actually forbidden from coming on the grounds and he was pissed every time they did
Yeah, the Ministry forced him to allow the dementors to guard Hogwarts.
Tbh who wouldnt get angry when a damn flying clothes that sucks memory attacks people. Id be pretty pissed too
I think Dumbledore feared the dementors going after him, so he used the students as an excuse to keep them away from school grounds
Dementors feed on trauma and a person's fears, if people seen him being attacked the question would be asked, what would Dumbledore have to be afraid of
That answer is his family and personal relationship with Grindlewald
@@Bustuhh i disagree. Grindelwald knew all about it and dumbledore eventually faced and defeated him
@@abdirahmanidris290 did you bother to read my comment?!
Its about the dementors and how they feed on trauma, Dumbledore kept his sister a secret as he didn't know who killed her, and Dumbledore bears responsibility for how she died
Just like the war heroes, were they evil?
You have commented 240 times in this channel alone
Yes ofc they were
Yes the “hero’s” of war are worse
No😂
He was not Evil. This is how real LIFE is. Jk Rowlings, brilliantly portrayed this in Harry Potter, not everyones life ends up Happy.
🤔🤔🤔🤔 he used a child to due a Prophecy so yes he is evil!!
@@tigerz8174 for the greater good 😂
More like necessary evil? Lol
@@tigerz8174 not exactly harry wanted to end Voldemort. ''I want finished and I want to do it. Harry said that himself. Voldemort was the one how wanted the prophecy fulfilled.
@NoMoreDreams To quote Steve Rogers, and the character I *KNOW* would rip Ol' Dumbles to shreds.
*"We don't trade lives." - Steve Rogers/Captain America (Avengers: Infinity War - 2018)*
I felt like Dumbledore never left the Idea of Greater Good. He knew from the end of the 4th year that Harry has to die and he just made him strong enough to sacrifice himself. As he said Harry was a really selfless person,but he wasn't. He loved his family but he too wanted glory, a talented wizard like Dumbledore would ofcourse like to do bigger things in his life than parenting his young sister and Brother. But that's the part where he lost his emotional attachments,and had it not been for Aberforth, or even Ariana, we might have another great dark Wizard. Dumbledore always had a "bigger plan on work". He turned Snape with him just to investigate Voldemort and his orders. His behavior with Sirius was unnatural too. But I even think that No man can be Flawless,no man can be perfect. And a man like Dumbledore who always wanted "Greater Good" even planned his own death at the hands of Snape just because he didn't want Draco to shatter his soul. After battle of Department of Mysteries he himself confronted that he loved Harry and he cared for him,that's why he was unable to tell him about the Prophecy in 4 years. All of his decisions,although questionable,still paid Good. His way of giving clues was a bit Irritating ,but when the right time came,they were all useful. So I feel like Dumbledore was a great thinker and even emotional person who just to see his family back ,wore a ring that ultimately killed him. This is why he is my favorite charecter in the series,beating Severus Snape on several measures.
He knew from the very beginning. He raised him up like a pig for slaughter. It takes a lot to offend Snape. The video is right.
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It's really sad that by the end of Book 7 we learned that Harry was no "great wizard" or really even a hero at all. He was just a naïve boy/teenager brainwashed and manipulated by Dumbles into suicide for a cause. It proved no different than any other child brainwashed and manipulated by religious extremists (almost always Islamic) into strapping explosives to themselves and blowing themselves up along with, "the enemy." After all, in those adults' minds, it too is for, "the greater good." I hope you'll excuse my extreme disgust with any adults using children in a war and knowingly setting them up to die. It's an ultimate evil to use a child like that, no matter what the cause or reasons may be, and it DEFINITELY makes Dumbles every bit as much a monster as Voldy.
OotP, Chapter 37, Dumbles to Harry:
"Five years ago you arrived at Hogwarts Harry, safe and whole, as I had planned and intended, well - not quite whole. You had suffered. I knew you would when I left you on your aunt's and uncle's doorstep. I knew I was condemning you to ten dark and difficult years."
HBP, Chapter 3, Dumbles to the Dursleys:
"He has known nothing but neglect and often cruelty at your hands."
"The magic I evoked fifteen years ago means that Harry has powerful protection while he can still call this house 'home'. However miserable he has been here, however unwelcome, however badly treated, you have at least, grudgingly, allowed him houseroom."
What Dumbles did was no different than kidnapping an African-American infant and forcing the poor child onto a family of Ku Klux Klan supporters with a threat to provide the child a home. Harry received the same treatment you'd expect for that poor child assuming (s)he wasn't killed outright, don't you think? Sure, he survived, but as nothing more than a horribly abused slave of the Dursleys. It was stated clearly that Harry's abuse was physical as well as mental and emotional. There was mention of Petunia striking him over the head with a hot frying pan in the kitchen as well as Vernon's comment about nothing being impossible to 'beat' out of the "freak" implying that beatings were common. Then of course they also encouraged Dudley's 'Harry Hunting' and attacks on the, "freak."
Dumbles could've done something to ensure that Harry's childhood wasn't dark and difficult but instead chose not to and, in doing so, he proved that 'dark and difficult' childhood was, in fact, precisely what he really wanted Harry to suffer through. The Wizarding World is full of charms and potions compelling particular behavior. It would've definitely been preferable and much happier for both Harry and the Dursleys if Dumbles had at the very least used a Compulsion Ward or Charm to ensure Harry was at least accepted, if not loved, by the Dursleys. After all, his living with them was deemed by Dumbles to be necessary regardless of them clearly not wanting Harry. Thus he proved, by forcing Harry upon them, that they lacked any real free will in the matter; that what they wanted was unimportant, anyway, in the much greater need for Harry's safety. (Dumbles's Howler to Petunia, "REMEMBER MY LAST!" when the Dursleys were about to throw Harry out along with prior statements scattered throughout earlier books proved that Harry's residence with the Dursleys was coerced upon the Dursleys in some way by Dumbles). So why then didn't he take the added step to ensure Harry grew up well, since the Dursleys' free will didn't matter to him anyway? In fact, his coercion absolutely ensured the Dursleys would take out their resentment and hatred upon Harry. It was abundantly clear that he fully intended Harry's suffering through an abusive and enslaved childhood because he needed the boy (and prophesied weapon) meek, weak, and fully obedient to easy control by adults.
After all, Dumbles fully admits that he knowingly subjected Harry to more than a decade of abuse and enslavement by his relatives with no such effort to ensure Harry's well-being. Is it any wonder that Harry trashed the old bastard's office afterwards (and I don't blame him)? It might be confusing to some, how later, Harry did a 180 and was again "Dumbles's man" despite the evil Dumbles knowingly inflicted upon him. But all that was needed to fully regain and seal Harry's loyalty was Dumbles paralyzing and forcing Harry into watching the old bastard intentionally martyr himself. He was dying already, but was careful not to tell Harry that. He made Harry believe that he sacrificed himself to protect Harry and thus forever sealed Harry's zealous loyalty. It's a tactic called "martyrdom" and it's been used to seal complete and zealous loyalty to a cause or person very successfully for more than a thousand years by cultists and also historically by Islamists. It was also the very fate he had planned for Harry - to die as a martyr.
I strongly encourage everyone to read up on the subjects of brainwashing children, the effects of neglect and abuse on a child's personality, and also children brought up in cults with figures and followings (such as Dumbles was in the Wizarding World). Only then could you truly understand how horrific of a monster Dumbles really was in not only what he did to Harry, but also how he used his position as Headmaster of the premier wizarding school in Britain to ensure generations of children's (and later adults') awe of him and belief in his apparent goodness and infallibility. That belief allowed him to do virtually whatever he wanted under the Sun (ignoring laws at whim and even enslaving the infant hero of the Wizarding World to hateful and abusive Muggles) with little or no question from anyone. The only one who would've questioned Harry's placement was conveniently thrown in prison without a trial by Crouch Senior of the DMLE and Bagnold of the Ministry, with the ASSISTANCE of Dumbles as the Chief Warlock. He admitted that he gave the DMLE "evidence that Sirius Black was the Potters' Secret-Keeper" to ensure Sirius was sent to Azkaban. This is interesting since any such evidence would have to've been fabricated or exaggerated by Dumbles since, not only was Sirius NOT the Secret-Keeper, but according to the canon, Dumbles himself actually cast the charm to 'hide' the Potters. It was later revealed that it was the 'Fidelius Charm' that hid the Potters, so Dumbles would've most definitely known who was the real Secret-Keeper. It's a very stupid and very corrupt judge that sends people off to life-imprisonment and torture (Dementors are torture) without a trial. It was awfully convenient that the ONLY suspected Death Eater that was mentioned to've been sent to Azkaban without a trial just so happened to be the legal guardian of Harry Potter and Dumbles's only obstacle to control of the prophesied weapon. Especially when known and confirmed Death Eaters walked away free and were cleared without effort by Dumbles to ensure justice for them either.
Also, particularly take note of the effect and effectiveness of isolating a child that's been exposed to extreme trauma - limiting their access only to an environment of people who hate and abuse them with the sole outside "friendly" contact and source of information being the one person who wants to control them. He ordered Hermione to cut off all contact for "security" reasons but there was NO reason whatsoever Hermione couldn't've remained in contact via phone or Muggle mail or that the Order guards couldn't've passed messages on for him at Grimmauld Place - EXCEPT that it would've given Harry other people he could trust and rely upon in his time of need. Dumbles couldn't have that. He needed complete control over Harry and so he blocked Harry from ALL other outside "friendly" influence except his own when Harry needed Hermione most in order to keep Harry dependent on him.
In essence all of this proved Dumbles to be much like a Wizarding World equivalent of Charles Manson (a complete f*cking nutjob, if you ask me) or perhaps closer to being like Jim Jones (another complete f*cking nutjob) with a touch of mafia behavior in ensuring obstacles to his plans are, "out of the way." The sole difference being that instead of getting his followers to murder for him like Charles Manson and Voldy had done, Dumbles instead got them to die for him and his cause like Jim Jones. Harry and so many others essentially committed suicide at Dumbles's mere "asking". Anyone up for some Kool-Aid? Do you deny that Dumbles could've convinced a significant number of people in the Wizarding World (especially many of the children) to drink? (If you're not familiar with the reference, google "Jonestown" and brace yourself should you choose to view any of the images because, trust me, they're fucking sick and I hope Jones is burning in Hell).
Part 2:
BOTH Dumbles and Voldy fought what's called a "proxy war" where they used others (cultish followers mostly, though, in Harry's case, he was simply a kidnapped and brainwashed child) to fight and die for them. BOTH of them manipulated, used and endangered, or outright sacrificed the lives of others, often innocents and children - without those people's knowledge or informed consent. Just because one's ends may be deemed noble doesn't mean that such evil methods are acceptable to reach those ends. The moment you commit an act that evil, you are evil, regardless of the 'supposed' aims you committed the act for. Why is it to be any more tolerated for Dumbles and the "Light" to commit such atrocities than the "Dark" that're doing it? In fact, Dumbles always hypocritically used that very argument to discourage anyone from using lethal force against the Death Eaters, but yet all of his own actions and intentional inaction proved equally vile and evil in result, if not intent. It was the philosopher, Nietzsche, who said, "He who fights monsters should see to it that, in the process, he does not become a monster. And when you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." Knowingly enslaving an innocent one-year-old infant to fifteen years of hatred and cruelty as a means of shaping that child's personality for easier influence and control is but only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. How about discouraging his followers from properly defending themselves but rather, instead, let the enemy kill them? His complete insistence upon stunning and releasing torturers, killers, rapists, and terrorists only allowed them to be revived or released to later go off to torture and kill someone else. Something that's far more evil than putting down the rabid cat for what it is before it could hurt someone else. Note how the Malfoys among others were walking free at the end of DH despite the murders and tortures they'd done. How many others've since then likely been tortured and killed by them in the intervening nineteen years before the epilogue? Dumbles operated under the premise that the lives and well-being of everyone else, particularly future victims, are unimportant compared to his belief in giving infinite second chances of redemption and repentance to killers, torturers, rapists, and terrorists, who're all people who don't at all desire or want redemption and repentance. Many good people died unnecessarily all thanks to Dumbles's cult of personality.
I think the most telling difference between Dumbles and Voldy though, was that Ol' No Nose's followers had the choice whether or not to serve him. Dumbles, on the other hand, kidnapped an infant boy and then conditioned (brainwashed) him through years of slavery and abuse followed by manipulation into suicide for Dumbles's cause. In other words, Moldyshorts's followers had a choice while Dumblef*ck enslaved innocent children into his service. You can't get much more vile and despicable than that. Ultimately Harry Potter was nothing more than a poor kid that was kidnapped and brainwashed by the "good guys" into being a suicide bomber. (I'd compare Harry to Jason Bourne, but Harry had absolutely no choice in the matter and no special training or preparation beyond the brainwashing to die for everyone else).
By the end of DH there's a huge amount of suffering, blood, and death on Dumbles's hands (as much as or even more than on Voldy's and his Death Eaters') for his usage of others and refusal to use his own power (magical and political) to truly stop any of them from harming or killing others. It's a lot like a cop that chooses to stand by and merely watch while a scumbag guy r*pes and murders an eight-year-old girl - refusing to help for whatever his own personal reasons. Who's the bigger monster? The sick f*ck doing the r*ping and murder or the person who's taken on the title, position, and responsibility - trusted by all to protect the victim - but instead refuses to do so as the girl's r*ped and murdered without a care? Dumbles even went so far as to not only protect such monsters from being rightfully killed in self-defense or justice, but even worse invited such monsters into a school full of children. Equally as horrific was knowingly enslaving children to hateful monsters as a means of brainwashing and control. Not just the Dursleys, but also Snape. Ask yourselves about the "coincidence" of the only long-term Professor being outright abusive of Harry who just so happened to be "promoted" to teaching Harry's best magical subject the year Harry would've left his influence in Potions class because he failed to meet the minimum grade Snivellus required. It was blatantly clear that Dumbles used Snivellus to keep Harry abused and beaten down while at Hogwarts and away from the Dursleys' abuse. Harry was never given a reprieve from the bullying and abuse because that's what Dumbles wanted and needed in order to shape him into a martyr who believed his own life had no value and was better to sacrifice for others more deserving of life and happiness.
That's what disappointed me most about the canon. Ultimately, Harry was revealed to've never been a hero at all. Instead he was nothing more than a severely used and abused victim, kidnapped as an infant from his legal guardian and brainwashed into his role of suicide for Dumbles's cause. Those who read the books should heed its hidden warnings against adults in positions of authority over children exploiting children for their own purposes and ideals, and the use of children in wars by adults.
I think the excuse of, "Dumbledore, who has made some bad mistakes, is doing his best to rectify them.", is just a cheap cop-out/get-out-of-jail-free card for the old man. He made dumb mistakes and how he tries to rectify them, he does a pretty p*ss-poor job at that. When given the opportunity to fix all his mistakes, he just uses that as an open door to make the same damn mistakes all over again, or make new ones as well. He clearly makes the dumbest decisions I think a human being could make, my new girlfriend even wonders if he's just flat-out stupid.
It's stupid and annoying as all f*cking hell when he keeps constantly saying that he's made "a lot of mistakes" and that they were "an old man's mistakes" over, and over, and over again. No, you dumbass old idiot, what you did weren't an old man's accidental mistakes...what you did was fully and completely intentional. A wise being (Yoda) once said, "Lessons learned too late, mistakes are." and that a mistake is only an accidental mistake when you don't know what the outcome'll be in the future and feel horrible about the action that you took, and actually are sympathetic about your regret and guilt, not lying to others only to save and cover your own ass. However, if you intentionally know what the outcome's gonna be...then it's not an, 'accidental mistake', it was an intentional, deliberate action, regardless of what the outcome would be following the action taken and made, meaning that the person didn't f*cking care.
If mistakes were cookies, then Oprah Winfrey would still be f*t as all hell like she was still on hiatus.
Part 3:
I once accidentally spilled my orange juice all over the floor at the kitchen table because I was distracted by watching the TV, THAT was an accidental mistake because I didn't know the outcome of me spilling the juice because I thought I wasn't distracted and was aware enough that I wouldn't knock over my glass when I was putting it down on the table.
Accidentally stepping on someone's foot in a dark movie theater, that's a mistake.
Intentionally setting up a teenage boy to martyr himself through intentional, sacrificial suicide and only being raised in an abusive household just to die as a sacrificial lamb scapegoat for slaughter, that's DEFINITELY NOT a mistake, and is the work of an evil, heartless, and black-hearted monster.
Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumblef*ck can lie all he wants that he actually cared about Harry and was only doing the best that he could to protect him...but I know that's complete and utter bullsh*t, and can perfectly, clearly, see through the old bastard's lies. He wanted Harry to completely weaken Voldy Moldyshorts after destroying all of his Lucky Charms Horcrux prizes, get killed in the process in the final battle of the war, and Dumblef*ck would step in and kill the completely weakened Voldy once and for all in front of the entire Wizarding World, thus taking all the fame, glory, and credit himself for vanquishing the two most powerful Dark Wizards of modern times (Voldy and Grindelwald) (and two of some of the most powerful wizards to have ever lived), which would cement his fame in the history books and have him arrogantly and egotistically declare himself to be the most powerful wizard and most powerful user of magic to have ever lived to the entire Wizarding World (supposedly thinking himself to be more powerful and greater than Merlin and even surpassing Merlin).
Dumblef*ck was a lying f*cking piece of sh*t ever since the first book and film when, at the end when Harry was in the Hospital Wing, he told Harry, and I quote from the book, "I shall not, of course, lie", and yet all the f*cking old man does is lie throughout the rest of the entire book and film franchise. Just like Krazy K*ntleen Kennedy, the way to know when Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumbass Dumblef*ck is lying is when he opens his f*cking mouth, just like with knowing when KKK is lying is when she opens her f*cking mouth. The old man says he believes in and tries to do justice, and yet, all he does is lie...which goes against the meaning of justice. To quote Paul Dano's Edward Nashton a.k.a. Riddler from Matt Reeves's 'The Batman', "If you're justice, please don't lie" because if you do lie then you deserve to have, to quote Emo Peter/Bully Maguire from Spider-Man 3 (2007), "some dirt in your eye." Dumblef*ck thinks that whatever 'supposed' "wisdom" he spouts out is all that and is something important that everybody has to hear, but in reality, the real reason why he spouts out all of his bullsh*t is so that he has, to quote Chris Rock, "an excuse to run his f*cking mouth" and spout out all of his lying, cheating, stealing, manipulating, and controlling bullsh*t like he's giving the f*cking Gettysburg Address or something like that along those lines to his brain-dead, idiotic, brainless, and obedient sheep followers who would follow their "unquestioned leader" off a f*cking cliff.
Obi-Wan Kenobi loved Luke Skywalker due to the fact that he was his best friend's and brother-in-all-but-blood's son and was like an honorary nephew to him, but he NEVER set up Luke to die against Darth Vader and Darth Sidious.
Professor Charles Xavier a.k.a. Professor X kindly and selflessly took in hundreds of teenage Mutants and, by his own generosity, gave them a place to live in his own home where he and other members of the X-Men taught them to control their powers so that they could protect the Earth for the betterment of mankind, but he NEVER set up any of the students under his guidance, tutelage, and protection to die. He also allowed normal humans to attend his school alongside their Mutant counterparts and peers, and didn't discriminate against non-powered regular humans attending his school, like Dumbles discriminated against Muggles and Squibs attending Hogwarts (even being responsible for Petunia hating her younger sister's guts for the rest of her life, just because he wouldn't allow Petunia to go with Lily to Hogwarts and allow her to make her decision if she really belonged in and wanted to be part of the Wizarding World, by her own choice). He can lie all he wants and say he isn't racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminates against others all he wants, but he really IS a racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminating person underneath, while Charles wasn't.
Gandalf didn't force Frodo to become the Ring-bearer of the One Ring and go on the quest with the Fellowship to Mordor to destroy the Ring in Mount Doom, Frodo chose by his own right, accord, opinion, and choice during the Council of Elrond to be the Ring-bearer and to take the Ring to Mordor to destroy it when the other members of the Council were arguing and debating among themselves. Gandalf asked Frodo if he (Frodo) was sure that he wanted to take the Ring himself to Mordor as the Ring-bearer, and that it was his (Frodo's) choice and his alone if he wanted to do it. When Frodo became the Ring-bearer of the One Ring Gandalf accompanied him and the other seven members of the Fellowship of the Ring to aid Frodo in his quest to take the Ring to Mordor, cast the Ring into the Crack of Doom, and bring an end to Sauron once and for all. Gandalf gave the life of his physical body to protect Frodo and the Fellowship from the Balrog, Durin's Bane, and battled against the Balrog atop the Misty Mountains where he struck down the demonic, fallen Maia, at the cost of his physical body's life. Gandalf did everything in his power to protect Frodo and his friends of the Fellowship, but he NEVER set up Frodo or any of the other members of the Fellowship to die, as they chose to go on the quest even though they knew they could most likely die, but again, that was THEIR CHOICE and theirs alone. Gandalf didn't make it for them.
In First Year, he decides to hide the Stone in a school full of children knowing that a homicidal maniac and terrorist is after it. Why doesn't he just shoot fireworks up in the air to spell out, 'THE STONE IS HERE, VOLDEMORT.'? Next, he has the Stone guarded by a giant, killer three-headed dog that could get loose and kill somebody. I won't take the excuse that he's harmless, he nearly took Harry's and Hermione's heads off when he tried to bite them. Yeah, really harmless there. He then literally decides to go into detail about the third floor corridor, knowingly enticing students to check it out instead of not saying anything that'd peak their curiosity. But instead, he's literally almost baiting kids to go there. The only thing between a curious student and Fluffy, was a locked door, which Hermione or any other First Year, with barely a month of being at school, was/would be able to open! The old, bearded, dumbass made the oldest, stupidest mistake in the book. From what my girlfriend Holly's sister and brother-in-law told Holly and I about their reactions to the old man's sheer stupidity is that: tell a whole school of children not to go somewhere, and most, if not all, of them will/would, just to find out why they shouldn't! Next, he says that the Forbidden Forest is also off-limits, yet has Harry, Hermione, and Neville go in there for detention (I don't care about Malfoy, since he could've been gutted like a fish by a Werewolf and I wouldn't care). Well, why don't you just blindfold them and have them walk head-first into a minefield while you're at it, you idiot? And finally, the very clever Dumbles has the Stone guarded by traps that're so pathetically simple that a pair of First Years were able to navigate through them, no problem. He should've placed a Fidelius Charm on the Stone and made himself the Secret-Keeper to make sure it was completely safe.
Part 6:
Dumbles is just a bad guy and that's it; plain and simple. He knowingly sent a baby into an abusive environment, completely abnegated his responsibilities as Chief Warlock and Supreme Mugwump (that's a five day discussion by itself), intentionally set up a young man for a suicidal self-sacrifice without warning or preparing him (Harry with a ridiculous Horcrux inside him), allowed a sadist to abuse his student population (Snivellus), allowed for substandard teaching at Hogwarts (History of Magic, Muggle Studies, Defense Against the Dark Arts (Year 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6), Potions (Year 1-5), and Divination), and routinely failed to protect his students from harm.
"...Dumbledore will happily betray the innocent in the hopes of saving the guilty." - (Sprinter1988)
Dumbles is also a monster because:
1) He didn't contact the students' parents and families about the attacks and petrification. Also decided not to contact the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, Auror Department, Magical Law Enforcement Squad, and the Ministry of Magic to send a group of Aurors and Hit Wizards from the DMLE, Auror Department, and MLES, as well as Director Saul Croaker and a group of his Unspeakables from the Department of Mysteries to help in the Chamber of Secrets incident and to hunt down and kill Slytherin's Monster or the "Serpent of Slytherin" (Slytherin's Basilisk), and to put an end to the incident so that no more students were petrified, or worse, killed. (Second Year)
2) He had an Acromantula colony in the Forbidden Forest that was near the school and could've led to the students being attacked by the Acromantulas, should they choose to emerge from the forest and attack both the students and the school. He knowingly placed all of his students and the entire school in danger with having the Acromantula colony nearby as they had no qualms about killing humans and devouring human flesh, which all of the students were humans (obviously). (Second Year)
3) He knowingly and purposefully kept three of Harry's rightful family heirlooms from him that were all heirlooms of the Peverells, whom Harry is descended from by blood and was the last, noble, heir and descendant of the Peverell Family (i.e. the Elder Wand, the Resurrection Stone, and the Cloak of Invisibility). (Prior to First Year, but also First Year until Christmas for the Cloak; First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Year with the Wand; and Sixth Year with the Stone)
4) He purposely decided not to acquire the Mandrake Restorative Draught from mature Mandrakes anywhere in Britain and to transport the draught to Hogwarts to immediately awaken the students from their petrified state, instead of waiting for the immature Mandrakes to grow at a slow rate that resulted in the students being awoken over five to six months later, thus leading to the students falling behind in their classes due to them having to make up for the work. (Second Year)
5) He knowingly hired Lockhart, whom he knew was a charlatan and a fraud. He subjected multiple Fifth and Seventh Year students to being taught by a fraud imposter and sabotaging their DADA classes and school grades by not having them prepared for the DADA portion of the End-of-Year exams when they would take their O.W.L.s and N.E.W.T.s at the end of the year, thus resulting in them most likely failing the DADA O.W.L. or N.E.W.T. of the exams. (Second Year)
6) He knowingly and purposefully sealed James and Lily Potters' Will that said that, "Under no circumstances is Harry to be raised by Petunia and Vernon Dursley" and that Harry was meant to be placed with guardians whom James and Lily chose; that included Sirius Black as first in line as Harry's godfather, Alice Longbottom as second in line as Harry's godmother, Remus Lupin as third in line as honorary uncle, and Amelia Bones as fourth in line as honorary aunt. He kidnapped Harry from his rightful guardian, whom he knew Sirius was innocent due to him swearing the Unbreakable Godfather Vow and would be unable to betray the Potters even if he was the Secret-Keeper, and deliberately left Harry with his magic hating relatives; knowingly defying Harry's parents' Will that said they forbade Dumblefuck from taking him to the Dursleys' home and being raised by Petunia and Vernon. (Prior to First Year)
7) He had no right interfering in Harry's life outside of Hogwarts. He might've been the Headmaster and all, but outside of Hogwarts and after the school year ends, he has no right overstepping his boundaries and attempting to interfere with Harry's life when he wasn't at Hogwarts and currently under its jurisdiction when school was in session. He also was a liar with saying that he was trying to give Harry a normal life and childhood, as well as only wanting Harry to be happy, when he knowingly placed Harry in an abusive household where he could've been seriously injured, or even killed by Vernon through manslaughter if the man went off more than ever before. (Fifth and Sixth Year)
8) He hypocritically said that Harry, Hermione, and the Order of the Phoenix shouldn't kill in self-defense when encountering Death Eaters, but that, in the end, Harry had to KILL Voldemort in order to get ridda him for good. What makes Voldy any different from his Death Eater followers that only he should be killed and they, who are equally evil, vile, monsters, should be allowed to continue drawing breath and be allowed to live, instead of being killed along with their supposed, "unbeatable Lord"? And when it comes to Dumblef*ck trying to say his bullsh*t fortune cookie excuse of, "All life is important", I have to say a quote from a once, great, man when I ask, "What's more important, the life of an innocent person or the life of a killer?" And his bullsh*t of always saying that what he does is only, "for the Greater Good", I can also counteract by saying another quote from that once, great, man and that's, "A purpose as defined by a single man, no matter how noble he believes it to be, can never be the Greater Good. It takes a special kind of man to wield power and kill if necessary to defend the innocent, and yet maintain their humility and humanity." Clearly Dumblef*ck isn't a special kind of man at all, and is no 'good' man only trying to do 'good' in the world.
He's just as much a liar who spouts lies to his obedient, mindless, sheep followers who follow him thinking him to be perfect and unbeatable like every other lying, manipulative, dictator and leader throughout history has done so. Dumbles already held great amounts of political power in the government as the Headmaster of Hogwarts, the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot, and the Supreme Mugwump of the International Confederation of Wizards, and could have say in what laws were approved and what laws weren't, thus allowing him to have control of the government as all of the laws that he created and benefited him were approved, while the laws that he didn't create and didn't benefit him weren't approved. He was a liar when he said that he didn't want the position of Minister of Magic of which he said was because he said he didn't trust himself and couldn't be trusted with power, despite the fact that he still held a majority of powerful, political positions in the government, and he wanted the world to think that he himself was above the position of Minister and that he was too good for it, as well as him being able to manipulate and control the Minister like a chess pawn or a puppet under the guise of 'advising' them so, in a way, he was really controlling the Ministry and the magical government of Wizarding Britain right in front of their very eyes, hiding in plain sight; like a snake. And the only two ways to take out a snake are to cut its head off, or, as Danny Trejo said, "bite it in the ass." (Prior to First Year, but also First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Year)
When I read through the books for the first time I kinda went "Oh man, Dumbledore is a dick!" He knew Tom Riddle would need to be dealt with. He had the long con all sorted out for years.
That isn't being evil! That is being a flawed human, who isn't some perfect heroic icon. The situation with resenting having to care for his family after his mother's death is an entirely probable thing for a young person to feel at that age when responsibility to care for younger siblings, which he does not want (including one who is troubled, and accidentally killed their mother) is thrust upon him. He knows it is unkind of him, but he can't help feeling it anyway. That is being a believable character.
More like grey,but his plans were too crazy and I don't think they would have worked if not for luck on Harry's part.
He is evil on the account that he manipulated Harry. Was he really nice to harry because he appreciated him or was he just being nice to his pawn?
@@nicholasng9814 He was nice to Hagrid, Lupin, and others before that, without it advancing his plans, so it was likely some of both.
@@eolhinforest7736 People are not black and white, evil and good. They where on his side and not needed for his BIG plan. That doesn't mean that he was totally evil, also people can get 'crazy' for good reasons.
Like an example, Grindelwald...
@@nicholasng9814 Genius and madness are so close together...
Dumbledore took the invisibility cloak from Harry’s father when they needed it the most. He wanted so badly to own all three.
You wrote bother rather than Father. You may want to edit to correct. And yes The Potter's should have kept the Cloak and not let anyone have it it would have provided an extra ounce of protection so as to hide and slip away. Plus when it comes to the secret keeper They should have put said person threw questioning and finally once chosen a binding oath to reenforce the fidelius charm. Because the Minute Peter Pettigrew betrayed the Potter's he would lose his magic and life.
@@NAWennerholm thank you.
@@susankuhn4510 how would you hide a baby under the cloak. Plus dumbledore suggested the secret keeper
- If Moody's eye could see through it I'm sure Voldy had a way to see through it.
@@Babidi111 no
When it comes to his family, it always makes me sad when I think of Albus cheerfully celebrating Christmas in the castle while Aberforth sits alone in his bar. :C
To be fair, a lot of it is because Aberforth chooses to. He always had trouble forgiving Albus for what happened.
But he wasn't really happy
“Albus Dumbledore was never proud or vain; he could find something to value in anyone, however apparently insignificant or wretched, and I believe that his early losses endowed him with great humanity and sympathy. I shall miss his friendship more than I can say, but my loss is as nothing compared to the Wizarding world’s. That he was the most inspiring and the best loved of all Hogwarts headmasters cannot be in question. He died as he lived: working always for the greater good and, to his last hour, as willing to stretch out a hand to a small boy with dragon pox as he was on the day that I met him.”
Ellhias Dodge obituary.
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“For the Greater Good” huh?
Good ol dog breath Dodge
He was never proud or vain after 1899, but before that I think that he was proud of his title as the most brilliant student to ever attend the school, but after the death of his sister he became much more humble than he was before
@@MasterOfTheElements I would argue against that, without any negative connotations to the words. Dumbledore is complementing his own intelligence and brilliance at multiple times in the books
Evil? No. Kind of a cryptic asshole? Definitely! He could've/should've explained a bit more. Not everything, but he could've told him "there's a prophecy in the department of mysteries about you and Voldemort. I can't tell you what it is because he could read your mind." Simple, right?
Not anywhere close to evil. Just flawed. Like all of Rowling's HP characters. Which is why HP is still a strong franchise, and the stories are still relevent and popular. Sure all of the magic is cool, and the story is good, but for me, the depth and the complexity of the characters is what does it for me. Not one character is without flaws, which makes the more human, and relatible.
True he is flawed but his plans for Harry was too Crazy and wouldn't have worked if not for luck.Also he believes himself to be all-knowing and always right even after all his mistakes,which is a very dangerous trait.
@@rohits7364 In the end tho he was right a tremendous amount of times. And since we can only try to assume what he is thinking and why he did this and that, it’s very likely, that we mirror our own flaws onto him.
Part 1:
It's really sad that by the end of Book 7 we learned that Harry was no "great wizard" or really even a hero at all. He was just a naïve boy/teenager brainwashed and manipulated by Dumbles into suicide for a cause. It proved no different than any other child brainwashed and manipulated by religious extremists (almost always Islamic) into strapping explosives to themselves and blowing themselves up along with, "the enemy." After all, in those adults' minds, it too is for, "the greater good." I hope you'll excuse my extreme disgust with any adults using children in a war and knowingly setting them up to die. It's an ultimate evil to use a child like that, no matter what the cause or reasons may be, and it DEFINITELY makes Dumbles every bit as much a monster as Voldy.
OotP, Chapter 37, Dumbles to Harry:
"Five years ago you arrived at Hogwarts Harry, safe and whole, as I had planned and intended, well - not quite whole. You had suffered. I knew you would when I left you on your aunt's and uncle's doorstep. I knew I was condemning you to ten dark and difficult years."
HBP, Chapter 3, Dumbles to the Dursleys:
"He has known nothing but neglect and often cruelty at your hands."
"The magic I evoked fifteen years ago means that Harry has powerful protection while he can still call this house 'home'. However miserable he has been here, however unwelcome, however badly treated, you have at least, grudgingly, allowed him houseroom."
What Dumbles did was no different than kidnapping an African-American infant and forcing the poor child onto a family of Ku Klux Klan supporters with a threat to provide the child a home. Harry received the same treatment you'd expect for that poor child assuming (s)he wasn't killed outright, don't you think? Sure, he survived, but as nothing more than a horribly abused slave of the Dursleys. It was stated clearly that Harry's abuse was physical as well as mental and emotional. There was mention of Petunia striking him over the head with a hot frying pan in the kitchen as well as Vernon's comment about nothing being impossible to 'beat' out of the "freak" implying that beatings were common. Then of course they also encouraged Dudley's 'Harry Hunting' and attacks on the, "freak."
Dumbles could've done something to ensure that Harry's childhood wasn't dark and difficult but instead chose not to and, in doing so, he proved that 'dark and difficult' childhood was, in fact, precisely what he really wanted Harry to suffer through. The Wizarding World is full of charms and potions compelling particular behavior. It would've definitely been preferable and much happier for both Harry and the Dursleys if Dumbles had at the very least used a Compulsion Ward or Charm to ensure Harry was at least accepted, if not loved, by the Dursleys. After all, his living with them was deemed by Dumbles to be necessary regardless of them clearly not wanting Harry. Thus he proved, by forcing Harry upon them, that they lacked any real free will in the matter; that what they wanted was unimportant, anyway, in the much greater need for Harry's safety. (Dumbles's Howler to Petunia, "REMEMBER MY LAST!" when the Dursleys were about to throw Harry out along with prior statements scattered throughout earlier books proved that Harry's residence with the Dursleys was coerced upon the Dursleys in some way by Dumbles). So why then didn't he take the added step to ensure Harry grew up well, since the Dursleys' free will didn't matter to him anyway? In fact, his coercion absolutely ensured the Dursleys would take out their resentment and hatred upon Harry. It was abundantly clear that he fully intended Harry's suffering through an abusive and enslaved childhood because he needed the boy (and prophesied weapon) meek, weak, and fully obedient to easy control by adults.
After all, Dumbles fully admits that he knowingly subjected Harry to more than a decade of abuse and enslavement by his relatives with no such effort to ensure Harry's well-being. Is it any wonder that Harry trashed the old bastard's office afterwards (and I don't blame him)? It might be confusing to some, how later, Harry did a 180 and was again "Dumbles's man" despite the evil Dumbles knowingly inflicted upon him. But all that was needed to fully regain and seal Harry's loyalty was Dumbles paralyzing and forcing Harry into watching the old bastard intentionally martyr himself. He was dying already, but was careful not to tell Harry that. He made Harry believe that he sacrificed himself to protect Harry and thus forever sealed Harry's zealous loyalty. It's a tactic called "martyrdom" and it's been used to seal complete and zealous loyalty to a cause or person very successfully for more than a thousand years by cultists and also historically by Islamists. It was also the very fate he had planned for Harry - to die as a martyr.
I strongly encourage everyone to read up on the subjects of brainwashing children, the effects of neglect and abuse on a child's personality, and also children brought up in cults with figures and followings (such as Dumbles was in the Wizarding World). Only then could you truly understand how horrific of a monster Dumbles really was in not only what he did to Harry, but also how he used his position as Headmaster of the premier wizarding school in Britain to ensure generations of children's (and later adults') awe of him and belief in his apparent goodness and infallibility. That belief allowed him to do virtually whatever he wanted under the Sun (ignoring laws at whim and even enslaving the infant hero of the Wizarding World to hateful and abusive Muggles) with little or no question from anyone. The only one who would've questioned Harry's placement was conveniently thrown in prison without a trial by Crouch Senior of the DMLE and Bagnold of the Ministry, with the ASSISTANCE of Dumbles as the Chief Warlock. He admitted that he gave the DMLE "evidence that Sirius Black was the Potters' Secret-Keeper" to ensure Sirius was sent to Azkaban. This is interesting since any such evidence would have to've been fabricated or exaggerated by Dumbles since, not only was Sirius NOT the Secret-Keeper, but according to the canon, Dumbles himself actually cast the charm to 'hide' the Potters. It was later revealed that it was the 'Fidelius Charm' that hid the Potters, so Dumbles would've most definitely known who was the real Secret-Keeper. It's a very stupid and very corrupt judge that sends people off to life-imprisonment and torture (Dementors are torture) without a trial. It was awfully convenient that the ONLY suspected Death Eater that was mentioned to've been sent to Azkaban without a trial just so happened to be the legal guardian of Harry Potter and Dumbles's only obstacle to control of the prophesied weapon. Especially when known and confirmed Death Eaters walked away free and were cleared without effort by Dumbles to ensure justice for them either.
Also, particularly take note of the effect and effectiveness of isolating a child that's been exposed to extreme trauma - limiting their access only to an environment of people who hate and abuse them with the sole outside "friendly" contact and source of information being the one person who wants to control them. He ordered Hermione to cut off all contact for "security" reasons but there was NO reason whatsoever Hermione couldn't've remained in contact via phone or Muggle mail or that the Order guards couldn't've passed messages on for him at Grimmauld Place - EXCEPT that it would've given Harry other people he could trust and rely upon in his time of need. Dumbles couldn't have that. He needed complete control over Harry and so he blocked Harry from ALL other outside "friendly" influence except his own when Harry needed Hermione most in order to keep Harry dependent on him.
In essence all of this proved Dumbles to be much like a Wizarding World equivalent of Charles Manson (a complete f*cking nutjob, if you ask me) or perhaps closer to being like Jim Jones (another complete f*cking nutjob) with a touch of mafia behavior in ensuring obstacles to his plans are, "out of the way." The sole difference being that instead of getting his followers to murder for him like Charles Manson and Voldy had done, Dumbles instead got them to die for him and his cause like Jim Jones. Harry and so many others essentially committed suicide at Dumbles's mere "asking". Anyone up for some Kool-Aid? Do you deny that Dumbles could've convinced a significant number of people in the Wizarding World (especially many of the children) to drink? (If you're not familiar with the reference, google "Jonestown" and brace yourself should you choose to view any of the images because, trust me, they're fucking sick and I hope Jones is burning in Hell).
Part 2:
BOTH Dumbles and Voldy fought what's called a "proxy war" where they used others (cultish followers mostly, though, in Harry's case, he was simply a kidnapped and brainwashed child) to fight and die for them. BOTH of them manipulated, used and endangered, or outright sacrificed the lives of others, often innocents and children - without those people's knowledge or informed consent. Just because one's ends may be deemed noble doesn't mean that such evil methods are acceptable to reach those ends. The moment you commit an act that evil, you are evil, regardless of the 'supposed' aims you committed the act for. Why is it to be any more tolerated for Dumbles and the "Light" to commit such atrocities than the "Dark" that're doing it? In fact, Dumbles always hypocritically used that very argument to discourage anyone from using lethal force against the Death Eaters, but yet all of his own actions and intentional inaction proved equally vile and evil in result, if not intent. It was the philosopher, Nietzsche, who said, "He who fights monsters should see to it that, in the process, he does not become a monster. And when you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." Knowingly enslaving an innocent one-year-old infant to fifteen years of hatred and cruelty as a means of shaping that child's personality for easier influence and control is but only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. How about discouraging his followers from properly defending themselves but rather, instead, let the enemy kill them? His complete insistence upon stunning and releasing torturers, killers, rapists, and terrorists only allowed them to be revived or released to later go off to torture and kill someone else. Something that's far more evil than putting down the rabid cat for what it is before it could hurt someone else. Note how the Malfoys among others were walking free at the end of DH despite the murders and tortures they'd done. How many others've since then likely been tortured and killed by them in the intervening nineteen years before the epilogue? Dumbles operated under the premise that the lives and well-being of everyone else, particularly future victims, are unimportant compared to his belief in giving infinite second chances of redemption and repentance to killers, torturers, rapists, and terrorists, who're all people who don't at all desire or want redemption and repentance. Many good people died unnecessarily all thanks to Dumbles's cult of personality.
I think the most telling difference between Dumbles and Voldy though, was that Ol' No Nose's followers had the choice whether or not to serve him. Dumbles, on the other hand, kidnapped an infant boy and then conditioned (brainwashed) him through years of slavery and abuse followed by manipulation into suicide for Dumbles's cause. In other words, Moldyshorts's followers had a choice while Dumblef*ck enslaved innocent children into his service. You can't get much more vile and despicable than that. Ultimately Harry Potter was nothing more than a poor kid that was kidnapped and brainwashed by the "good guys" into being a suicide bomber. (I'd compare Harry to Jason Bourne, but Harry had absolutely no choice in the matter and no special training or preparation beyond the brainwashing to die for everyone else).
By the end of DH there's a huge amount of suffering, blood, and death on Dumbles's hands (as much as or even more than on Voldy's and his Death Eaters') for his usage of others and refusal to use his own power (magical and political) to truly stop any of them from harming or killing others. It's a lot like a cop that chooses to stand by and merely watch while a scumbag guy r*pes and murders an eight-year-old girl - refusing to help for whatever his own personal reasons. Who's the bigger monster? The sick f*ck doing the r*ping and murder or the person who's taken on the title, position, and responsibility - trusted by all to protect the victim - but instead refuses to do so as the girl's r*ped and murdered without a care? Dumbles even went so far as to not only protect such monsters from being rightfully killed in self-defense or justice, but even worse invited such monsters into a school full of children. Equally as horrific was knowingly enslaving children to hateful monsters as a means of brainwashing and control. Not just the Dursleys, but also Snape. Ask yourselves about the "coincidence" of the only long-term Professor being outright abusive of Harry who just so happened to be "promoted" to teaching Harry's best magical subject the year Harry would've left his influence in Potions class because he failed to meet the minimum grade Snivellus required. It was blatantly clear that Dumbles used Snivellus to keep Harry abused and beaten down while at Hogwarts and away from the Dursleys' abuse. Harry was never given a reprieve from the bullying and abuse because that's what Dumbles wanted and needed in order to shape him into a martyr who believed his own life had no value and was better to sacrifice for others more deserving of life and happiness.
That's what disappointed me most about the canon. Ultimately, Harry was revealed to've never been a hero at all. Instead he was nothing more than a severely used and abused victim, kidnapped as an infant from his legal guardian and brainwashed into his role of suicide for Dumbles's cause. Those who read the books should heed its hidden warnings against adults in positions of authority over children exploiting children for their own purposes and ideals, and the use of children in wars by adults.
I think the excuse of, "Dumbledore, who has made some bad mistakes, is doing his best to rectify them.", is just a cheap cop-out/get-out-of-jail-free card for the old man. He made dumb mistakes and how he tries to rectify them, he does a pretty p*ss-poor job at that. When given the opportunity to fix all his mistakes, he just uses that as an open door to make the same damn mistakes all over again, or make new ones as well. He clearly makes the dumbest decisions I think a human being could make, my new girlfriend even wonders if he's just flat-out stupid.
It's stupid and annoying as all f*cking hell when he keeps constantly saying that he's made "a lot of mistakes" and that they were "an old man's mistakes" over, and over, and over again. No, you dumbass old idiot, what you did weren't an old man's accidental mistakes...what you did was fully and completely intentional. A wise being (Yoda) once said, "Lessons learned too late, mistakes are." and that a mistake is only an accidental mistake when you don't know what the outcome'll be in the future and feel horrible about the action that you took, and actually are sympathetic about your regret and guilt, not lying to others only to save and cover your own ass. However, if you intentionally know what the outcome's gonna be...then it's not an, 'accidental mistake', it was an intentional, deliberate action, regardless of what the outcome would be following the action taken and made, meaning that the person didn't f*cking care.
If mistakes were cookies, then Oprah Winfrey would still be f*t as all hell like she was still on hiatus.
Part 3:
I once accidentally spilled my orange juice all over the floor at the kitchen table because I was distracted by watching the TV, THAT was an accidental mistake because I didn't know the outcome of me spilling the juice because I thought I wasn't distracted and was aware enough that I wouldn't knock over my glass when I was putting it down on the table.
Accidentally stepping on someone's foot in a dark movie theater, that's a mistake.
Intentionally setting up a teenage boy to martyr himself through intentional, sacrificial suicide and only being raised in an abusive household just to die as a sacrificial lamb scapegoat for slaughter, that's DEFINITELY NOT a mistake, and is the work of an evil, heartless, and black-hearted monster.
Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumblef*ck can lie all he wants that he actually cared about Harry and was only doing the best that he could to protect him...but I know that's complete and utter bullsh*t, and can perfectly, clearly, see through the old bastard's lies. He wanted Harry to completely weaken Voldy Moldyshorts after destroying all of his Lucky Charms Horcrux prizes, get killed in the process in the final battle of the war, and Dumblef*ck would step in and kill the completely weakened Voldy once and for all in front of the entire Wizarding World, thus taking all the fame, glory, and credit himself for vanquishing the two most powerful Dark Wizards of modern times (Voldy and Grindelwald) (and two of some of the most powerful wizards to have ever lived), which would cement his fame in the history books and have him arrogantly and egotistically declare himself to be the most powerful wizard and most powerful user of magic to have ever lived to the entire Wizarding World (supposedly thinking himself to be more powerful and greater than Merlin and even surpassing Merlin).
Dumblef*ck was a lying f*cking piece of sh*t ever since the first book and film when, at the end when Harry was in the Hospital Wing, he told Harry, and I quote from the book, "I shall not, of course, lie", and yet all the f*cking old man does is lie throughout the rest of the entire book and film franchise. Just like Krazy K*ntleen Kennedy, the way to know when Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumbass Dumblef*ck is lying is when he opens his f*cking mouth, just like with knowing when KKK is lying is when she opens her f*cking mouth. The old man says he believes in and tries to do justice, and yet, all he does is lie...which goes against the meaning of justice. To quote Paul Dano's Edward Nashton a.k.a. Riddler from Matt Reeves's 'The Batman', "If you're justice, please don't lie" because if you do lie then you deserve to have, to quote Emo Peter/Bully Maguire from Spider-Man 3 (2007), "some dirt in your eye." Dumblef*ck thinks that whatever 'supposed' "wisdom" he spouts out is all that and is something important that everybody has to hear, but in reality, the real reason why he spouts out all of his bullsh*t is so that he has, to quote Chris Rock, "an excuse to run his f*cking mouth" and spout out all of his lying, cheating, stealing, manipulating, and controlling bullsh*t like he's giving the f*cking Gettysburg Address or something like that along those lines to his brain-dead, idiotic, brainless, and obedient sheep followers who would follow their "unquestioned leader" off a f*cking cliff.
Obi-Wan Kenobi loved Luke Skywalker due to the fact that he was his best friend's and brother-in-all-but-blood's son and was like an honorary nephew to him, but he NEVER set up Luke to die against Darth Vader and Darth Sidious.
Professor Charles Xavier a.k.a. Professor X kindly and selflessly took in hundreds of teenage Mutants and, by his own generosity, gave them a place to live in his own home where he and other members of the X-Men taught them to control their powers so that they could protect the Earth for the betterment of mankind, but he NEVER set up any of the students under his guidance, tutelage, and protection to die. He also allowed normal humans to attend his school alongside their Mutant counterparts and peers, and didn't discriminate against non-powered regular humans attending his school, like Dumbles discriminated against Muggles and Squibs attending Hogwarts (even being responsible for Petunia hating her younger sister's guts for the rest of her life, just because he wouldn't allow Petunia to go with Lily to Hogwarts and allow her to make her decision if she really belonged in and wanted to be part of the Wizarding World, by her own choice). He can lie all he wants and say he isn't racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminates against others all he wants, but he really IS a racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminating person underneath, while Charles wasn't.
Gandalf didn't force Frodo to become the Ring-bearer of the One Ring and go on the quest with the Fellowship to Mordor to destroy the Ring in Mount Doom, Frodo chose by his own right, accord, opinion, and choice during the Council of Elrond to be the Ring-bearer and to take the Ring to Mordor to destroy it when the other members of the Council were arguing and debating among themselves. Gandalf asked Frodo if he (Frodo) was sure that he wanted to take the Ring himself to Mordor as the Ring-bearer, and that it was his (Frodo's) choice and his alone if he wanted to do it. When Frodo became the Ring-bearer of the One Ring Gandalf accompanied him and the other seven members of the Fellowship of the Ring to aid Frodo in his quest to take the Ring to Mordor, cast the Ring into the Crack of Doom, and bring an end to Sauron once and for all. Gandalf gave the life of his physical body to protect Frodo and the Fellowship from the Balrog, Durin's Bane, and battled against the Balrog atop the Misty Mountains where he struck down the demonic, fallen Maia, at the cost of his physical body's life. Gandalf did everything in his power to protect Frodo and his friends of the Fellowship, but he NEVER set up Frodo or any of the other members of the Fellowship to die, as they chose to go on the quest even though they knew they could most likely die, but again, that was THEIR CHOICE and theirs alone. Gandalf didn't make it for them.
In First Year, he decides to hide the Stone in a school full of children knowing that a homicidal maniac and terrorist is after it. Why doesn't he just shoot fireworks up in the air to spell out, 'THE STONE IS HERE, VOLDEMORT.'? Next, he has the Stone guarded by a giant, killer three-headed dog that could get loose and kill somebody. I won't take the excuse that he's harmless, he nearly took Harry's and Hermione's heads off when he tried to bite them. Yeah, really harmless there. He then literally decides to go into detail about the third floor corridor, knowingly enticing students to check it out instead of not saying anything that'd peak their curiosity. But instead, he's literally almost baiting kids to go there. The only thing between a curious student and Fluffy, was a locked door, which Hermione or any other First Year, with barely a month of being at school, was/would be able to open! The old, bearded, dumbass made the oldest, stupidest mistake in the book. From what my girlfriend Holly's sister and brother-in-law told Holly and I about their reactions to the old man's sheer stupidity is that: tell a whole school of children not to go somewhere, and most, if not all, of them will/would, just to find out why they shouldn't! Next, he says that the Forbidden Forest is also off-limits, yet has Harry, Hermione, and Neville go in there for detention (I don't care about Malfoy, since he could've been gutted like a fish by a Werewolf and I wouldn't care). Well, why don't you just blindfold them and have them walk head-first into a minefield while you're at it, you idiot? And finally, the very clever Dumbles has the Stone guarded by traps that're so pathetically simple that a pair of First Years were able to navigate through them, no problem. He should've placed a Fidelius Charm on the Stone and made himself the Secret-Keeper to make sure it was completely safe.
I think he put Harry through difficult things because he knew Harry was a “marked man”. He knew Voldemort would come back and he knew Voldemort’s dearest ambition would be to kill Harry. He wanted Harry to be strong when the time came to defeat Voldemort once and for all. So he did all that he could to protect him and let him grow as much as possible
That is possible...
What I then can't get out of my head is how Snape reacted, because they knew each other well...
Thus making Harry Potter into Jesus Christ himself.
You right but I think what dumbledore really wanted was for Harry to find the Horcrox's if you see the facts dumbledore could have known exactly what they were before the revel but what no idea where they were. I sure volamort return was not part of his plan for sure.
Did all he could but didn't try to train him for his eventual fight with Voldemort?
“He's a funny man, Dumbledore. I think he sort of wanted to give me a chance. I think he knows more or less everything that goes on here, you know. I reckon he had a pretty good idea we were going to try, and instead of stopping us, he just taught us enough to help. I don't think it was an accident he let me find out how the Mirror worked. It's almost like he thought I had the right to face Voldemort if I could"
Straight out of book one.
Dumbledore used everyone to get to what and where he needed no matter the cost...he cared for Harry but he needed to use him..I don't think he's evil he's just a terrible person 😂😂
Dumbledore definitely wasn't evil but he was deeply flawed. From when he was a youth til his death he remained consistent in his motto "for the greater good". He may have thought that Grindlewald kept the motto and that he had left it behind but not so. As Snape basically said, Dumbledore raised Harry like a pig for slaughter. He cared about him yes but I don't think there was any sacrifice Dumbledore wouldn't make to stop You-know-who.
Nope... he was neither good nor evil... he was HUMAN .... to quote Sirius Black “WE’VE ALL GOT BOTH LIGHT AND
INSIDE US. WHAT MATTER IS THE PART WE CHOOSE TO ACT ON. THAT’S WHO WE REALLY ARE.”
He mostly had good intentions at heart. He did some mistakes, but he was HUMAN with a good heart.
Yes !!! Finally someone who understands !!!
YES
well said 👏
He was crazy tho😂
There is another small but questionable incident - the change of the house cup in the first book. Harry was unconscious for several days after his fight with Quirrell. Why did he not gave the points to Gryffindor during these days? He actually lets the Slytherins believe they have won for several days, lets decorate the great hall in Slytherin color and out of nowhere he steals their win and hands it over to Gryffindor. The Slytherin students did not do anything to deserve losing their win in such a bullying way. As young readers we feels from Harrys perspective and feel his revange on Malfoy but from an adult perspective this is the worst way a teacher could interfere in a competition.
I mean it is like it is your turn for a promotion, the business cards are printed, the new name tag is on the office door, the party is scheduled and out of nowhere on day of the party they give it to somebody else because last minute after everything was settled somebody thought somebody else might deseve it more.
I do agree with you that it sucks. However idk if the teacher can give house points to students when they arent there? We never see the teachers do that, although our perspective is limited so i may be wrong. But it is something to consider. They still really didnt have to pretend like slytherins were going to win though but that can probably be chocked up to rowlings bias against slytherins.
I agree, that's bullying. Harry and Co. actually deserved more points, but Dumbledore decides to let them only beat Slytherin by a few points, which sucks. You would think that if Albus wasn't there to spite the Slytherins, he wouldn't have calculated so precisely to make Gryffindor beat them by a little bit. Plus, letting someone think that they've won but actually not, is a really dick move.
@NoMoreDreams True, not really bullying, but just nasty.
I think the reason waited was they had to be consciously present to receive points. As for the amount added he had to be careful to not seem to show too much favoritism.
@NoMoreDreams But that could be decorated with magic easily.
He cared about no one except himself, he knew snape would get killed by voldemort & don't forget before he was "good guy" he planned to taking over the world with grindelwald and killing muggles
Him not helping Sirius after his wrongly suspected murder of peter pettigrew even though he was chief warlock of the wisenagamot really made me wonder whether he was really that good after all
He does things for the good of the overall good of the wizarding world instead of one individual I think, that’s why.
He knew all along of Sirius's innocence but kept him in Azkaban nevertheless.
For the good you are to do what is right all the time. Yes their is evil but their is no such thing as The Greater Good. No one has the right to manipulate and lie to others not giving the necessary information to make a proper informed decision. To many lost their lives because he withheld information that affected others thus the loss of to many lives to many families destroyed. Plus placing a child with people you know that will abuse a child because if who his parents are and the abilities he was born with and had no control over is wrong. And allowing ones so-called government to violate the law and denie a man a proper trial to get to the truth and allow said man to defend himself is just wrong. Plus the stupid old goat should have been straight forward and told the truth from the very beginning so as to take steps to make sure Tom Riddle could never gain his strength as to start up again and the corruption was to bad that Albus should have had enough since to go to the Queen and the Prime Minister at the time from what I remember was Margaret Thatcher at the time since I was Born in 1973. Because The Queen would most likely have a special forces team trained in dealing with the Magical Community and could easily be made up of muggleborns and muggle raised half-bloods. Plus to make sure Harry didn't suffer from the mental and emotional abuse from his aunt and Uncle and the Physical and emotional abuse from his fat spoiled cousin Dudley and the other bullies that are part of Dudley's gang of Bullies. And Harry was not worthless calling him boy all the time rather using Harry's name making Harry wear Dudley's oversized cast off hand me downs. The Dursleys could easily provide Harry with proper clothing that fit and that were just his. and Dudley didn't need two bedrooms. Plus he didn't need all those damned toys especially considering he broke everything he didn't want anymore. When they could have let Harry take what he wanted to play with then donate the rest. Plus They should have incorage Dudley to study and do his best and the same goes for Harry rather than putting down all the time and calling Harry a Cheater. Harry wasn't a waist of space. Plus CPS should have been made aware of Harry as to make sure that All of his needs are met and that The Dursleys didn't abuse him in any way shape or form.
Anyway from what little that I know of the Royal Family since they are distant cousins of mine threw my mother's side of the family Elizabeth would have torn into Albus for placing Harry with people like the Dursleys. Plus I very much remember the different charities and organizations that of cousin Diana was involved with dealing with children she too would not liked how The Dursleys treated Harry plus she would have demanded to see The Potter Family Will(s) when it comes to Harry and demanded a background check and she wouldn't give a damn about the effing blood wards. I've seen Diana's temper when it comes to children from both news feeds and that of family home movies. Let's just say Albus wouldn't know what hit him by the time she was done with him. She would most likely demand Albus be put on probation as headmaster and should he violate it demand his removal. In fact she would probably demand the entire staff be placed on probation and order Madam Poppy Pomfrey report all suspected Child Abuse cases To CPS Child protective services. And demand to see Schools Charter, policies and rules. Because if lacking reforms would be demanded.
@@link27823 couse Harry needed to stay with the Dursleys
@@link27823 how did he know, he along with everyone else believed that he was guilty of betraying the Potters. Dumbledore even offered to be their secret keeper, but they chose Sirius and when Dumbledore cast the spell to hide them they switched Sirius with Peter, so he had no way of knowing that they changed their secret keeper
He did nothing to stop the marauders bullying Snape and he knowingly set a trap for Voldemort in school full of children. The protections for the philosopher's stone weren't that strong if three first years were able to get past them. Also why wasn't there an anti-alohomora charm on the door to prevent people from opening it with the alohomora charm and why even tell them not to go to the third floor because when you do that you're basically saying go explore . He didn't inform professor McGonagall about the horcrux's despite her being steadfast and loyal to him throughout the series and he didn't think to inform the parents of his students when the chamber of secretes was open. He also didn't evacuate Hogwarts when the attacks started happening, also he's supposed to be the wisest wizard since merlin, so why didn't he figure out it was a basilisk that was attacking the students.
I personally feel that Dumbledore planned out Harry's life. He also DIDN'T LET SIRIUS HAVE A FREAKING TRIAL. IF HE IS SOOOOOO RESPECTED, HE COULD HAVE SAID: " Bro, give the boy a trial", BUT NOOOOOOOO HE DOESN'T WANT TOO! Also, DUMBLEDORE KNEW THAT HARRY WAS BEING MISTREATED AND DID NOTHING! HE COULD HAVE MADE SURE THAT THE DURSLEYS DIDN'T MISTREAT HARRY! DUMBLEDORE LITERALLY PLANNED FOR HARRY TO FREAKING DIE!!!!!!!! One second,let me do something:
Sevvy: So.......Harry is going to die at 18, and you raised him as a pig, you knew Sirius was innocent and didn't give him a trial, you knew the Dursleys mistreated him,everything Harry knew about you was a lie?
Dumbles: Yep!
And Snape LOVED HARRYS MOTHER
Chill
no. crouch didn't give him a trial and Dumbledore literally left harry a snitch to make his death comfortable
How did Dumbledore know Sirius was innocent?
Well it depends on which part of his life you look at. When you go and look at his past and see his letters with Grindelwald it could make him seem evil but overall I think he cares for other people more than he cares about himself. He sacrificed his hand and life so that voldemort would be vanquished
Lmao do you know why he got that infection on his hand? Because he put the resurrection stone on for power and then realized it was cursed by Voldemort. Karma is a bitch Dumbledore
@@ProjectTH-cam lol. It wasn't a infection. It was a curse. And yes, he did get selfish at time but he was in general a very good person. Everyone has flaws. That's what makes them more human.
@@pe_tal I agree with that
@@ProjectTH-cam yeah he wasn't good with power. But he was a far better man than voldy. Hallows not horcruxes
I cannot find fault in a man who made poor choices as a youth. We all make mistakes; the challenge is to learn and grow. Dumbledore did that.
Dumbledore's flaws extend into adulthood. Let's not forget the ring, which still called to him. Ultimately responsible for his death, the temptation remained.
Indeed. Your evidence?
@@MrRjhyt He did his best to limit it though. He refused the offer of minister for magic
@@abdirahmanidris290 I agree, a majority of JK's characters are imperfect. Whether generally good or bad. They have nuance.
Very few are so simple.
Yeah, he's evil. Instead of choosing to take care of his family, his sister whom he neglected, he chose to plot about making muggles inferior to wizards. He was the one who gave Grindlewald the idea of "the greater good." Had his sister not been killed, Dumbledore would have been another dark wizard just like Voldemort.
Next Dumbledore neglected Tom Riddle, leaves him in a muggle orphanage and didn't bother to try and get to know him. Had Dumbledore made an effort to help Tom Riddle, there wouldn't have been any Voldemort.
As a headmaster, Dumbledore turned a blind eye to the marauders bullying of Snape, he swept Snape's traumas under a rug and didn't help him at all, causing Snape to go to turn to Voldemort.
Dumbledore was also the reason why Lily and James died. While he did put them under a fidleus charm, he didn't become their secret keeper and took James's invisibility cloak when they could have used that should Voldemort find out where they are. He also doesn't do anything to protect the Longbottoms who could have been targets of Voldemort while the Potters were in hiding.
He leaves Harry with abusive relatives.
He only takes an interest in Harry because he's the boy who lived. Had Neville been the boy who lived, Dumbledore would have ignored and neglected Harry.
He turns a blind eye to a professor physically abusing a student. (Fake Mad Eye Moody abusing Draco.) Dumbledore only suspected Moody wasn't Moody when he took Harry away from Dumbledore after Cedric's death, basically what fake Mad Eye Moody did to Draco was something they real Mad Eye Moody would have done and Dumbledore ignored the abuse.
Dumbledore also raised Harry like a pig for slaughter, neglected Harry after Voldemort came back, and he also manipulated Snape.
Dumbledore did offer to be their secret keeper and they refused saying that they wanted Sirius, because they were friends, so that's their fault because if they had made Dumbledore secret keeper they never would have died and Harry could have had a family, Sirius would never have gone to Azkaban, and would have been a doting Godfather to Harry
For the first one I agree with you.
No, I can't agree with the second one. Tom would be Voldemort even if Dumbledore offered him help and don't forget he did offered him help. Tom refused. He wanted to do everything alone. Dumbledore kept a close watch on him as Tom studied in Hogwarts but he was never caught. What would Dumbledore do ?
For the third point, I don't want to say but I have to agree. Although Snape would have probably become a death eater cause he has a terrible childhood (before coming to Hogwarts), but still yeah, he should have seen the bullying. I agree with you.
The fourth point is absolutely wrong. Even if Dumbledore didn't take the invisibility cloak, James and Lily would still die. Remember, the invisibility cloak doesn't block or protect from spells. It just makes the person invisible. Just invisible. Nothing else. It doesn't save him from death. The tale of the three brothers about escaping death was a fairy tale. They were just gifted wizard who found/created the deathly hallows. The "death" part is a myth. Dumbledore said it himself to Harry and Harry too knows it that the invisibility cloak wouldn't save them. And as the person above me has said, James refused to keep him as his secret keeper.
The fifth one is correct although the reason is not ! He left Harry there to keep him safe. His mothers blood will protect him cause its lives in Harry and his aunt (Lily's sister). He did it to protect him from Voldemort. Dumbledore told that to Harry in the half-blood prince.
The sixth one is slightly wrong. Yes, he took interest in Harry cause he is the chosen one. If Neville would be the chosen one, he would teach Neville to fight instead of Harry. But ofcourse , it can't be Neville. Harry was chosen. The story was wriiten like that. Don't forget if Neville was the chosen one, Harry's parents wouldn't have died. Voldemort would have gone after Neville and his parents ! So Harry would not of course be neglected.
You are a Draco stan aren't you ? Bruh, like Mad-eye didn't abuse him ! He just transformed him. Draco wasn't hurt. Don't say, "Draco wasn't bad, he had no choice". I know that, but you can't just read Fan fics and say Draco's father abused him. Lucius loved Draco. Yes, he was hard on Draco but still he loved him like his son !
If you read all my points, you will understand the last one is slightly incorrect. Dumbledore didn't manipulate Snape ! From where did you get thay information ? But yes, I agree, he raised Harry like a pig for slaughter for the greater good.
Dumbeldore didn't neglect any students. If harry wasn't the chosen one, he would treat harry normally but favour neville
Dumbledore’s affiliation with Gellart Grindewald.
Me: When they like 14!
And Dumbledore realized his mistakes and didn’t trust himself with power! That’s why he turned down being Minister for Magic! Multiple times!!
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I always had some issues with Dumbledore. He’s not evil or even necessarily bad, but he is a deeply flawed individual. As a young adult he was selfish and cocky and had to go through some major growing pains to become humbled, but in the end I think he had good intentions even if he didn’t always go about it the best way. I think this actually makes him one of the more interesting characters in the books since his morality is not clearly black or white.
Was Dumbledore Actually...EVIL? ...... hmmm, go on i'll bite.
The worst thing Dumbledore did was not fighting for Sirius' freedom after he knew for sure he was innocent. He knew that a free Sirius would demand custody of Harry, taking him away from Privet Drive and possibly making it harder to convince Harry that he needed to make the ultimate sacrifice. He deprived Harry of the chance to have a true parental figure in his life because Dumbledore needed him independent. With a father figure to leave behind, Harry might have hesitated on giving up his life for the greater good.
I always thought that Ministry of Magic woupd stand in the way and would demand Hard evidence that Sirous didn't kill Peter. So long they didn't have Peter they wouldn't release Sirius. The only thing Dumbledore would say was that Sirius was Oder of the Phoenix member and he was the One who resigned from Fidelus charm. Lets also remember that Ministry has it's own shady and irrational behaviour at that time.
But Dumbledore didn't know of Sirius' innocence, did he?
Staying with eirius was not safe. Sirius black was a hot headed man.
I have always said I felt the TRUE villain of the series is Dumbledore. The death of his sister may have pulled him from being a blood purist, but his methods in handling the world remained the same. His catchphrase 'for the greater good' is exactly what Grindlewald always said as went on his blood supremacist killing sprees.
Are you seriously going to compare Dumbledore who did what he did in order to stop the most dangerous wizard in the world to Grindelwald who was a wizard Nazi? Also true villain of the series was Dumbledore? Regardless of what you think of his actions, saying he's worse than Voldemort is objectively false. Voldemort is literally wizard Hitler.
It’s not like dumbledore joined Grindelwald and killed everyone
Yes, Dumbledore was worse than Voldemort. And he would have killed right beside Grindlewald if not for the death of his sister. Dumbledore may never have struck a child under his care as a teacher and later as a headmaster, but he was most definitely abusive. He allowed and even encouraged the Marauders to torture Snape. But if you just look at Harry's life only, he gives them to the Dursleys knowing he'd be abused. Harry had other family. Sirius Black tells Harry in OOTP that the pureblood families were all interrelated and he was Arthur's second cousin once removed. James was a pureblood. Harry could have been put with the Weasleys, Augusta Longbottom, check even with Amelia Bones, but Dumbledore insisted he be put with people who'd abuse him, ignoring all reports from Miss Figg. He deliberately sets up deadly situations to test Harry that put other kids at risk too. He isolated Harry, telling his friends to tell him nothing as well ignoring him 5th year adding to the isolation and confusion, all so Harry would believe only Dumbledore cared about Harry's well-being. Mentally and emotionally he abused and manipulated Harry his entire life, again all for the 'greater' good. Yes, I stand by what I said, Dumbledore was and is the true villain of the story.
@@katholmes7112 Nah. Dumbeldore emphasises how much better he is than voldemort. Voldemort torutred his fellow orphans and opened the chamber of secrets and killed his own family. But he never changed unlike Dumbeldore. Dumbeldore was horrible at first but his sisters death(which he never intended unlike voldy and his family) changed him. Yes he sacrificed people for the Greater Good but only when he couldn't help it. I don't see how changing your horrible views and only sacrificing when necessary to save thousands of people is worse than killing people and intending to ruin everyone's lives other than mass murderers.
Misguided yes? power hungry? yes but evil? no.
Albus Dumbledore is one of the best characters in the books, he is in my opinion neutral good.
He has tasted darkness and even tempted himself with going down dark paths. It's his intelligence and highly perceptive nature that helped him to do what was right over basic morals and emotions.
Agreed !
Dumbledore is the textbook definition of chaotic good. He was the headmaster of a school and actually hated rules. How that works, I have no idea... Also, he did basically everything, literally EVERYTHING in his power (including many morally questionable things) to ensure that his side won in the end. In contrast, even Voldemort is not chaotic, he is considered neutral evil. If Voldy were chaotic, he wouldn't have given the Hogwarts defenders that one hour to bury their dead, tend to their wounded and give Harry up. He would have just come in, killed everyone else, get to Harry, then kill Harry too.
Albus dumbledore is my favorite character. I don’t call him evil. He’s very good and very right on the right side. However, his past complicated him and changed him. He did care about Harry but he knew the ends would justify the means and had to go to extremes to make sure voldemort was defeated. Which included Harry’s sacrifice.
Facts. Dumbledore is my favo too.
Yep. Dumbledore also knew Harry would survive that sacrifice, as he would have just killed Voldemort`s soul inside of him, which is exactly what happened.
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Not sure it was confirmed he knew that.
But he could have made it way easier for Harry, if he really cared for Harry he would have not dismissed Harry’s feelings and kept crucial information from him he claimed he loved him when really dumbledore was just persuading his own interest and taking advantage of Harry
@@brentlionakaboldchamp yes the moment Harry informed Dumbledore that Voldemort took his blood,there was a slight smile on his face for a moment, which then disappeared. He knew that there is very much chance that Harry can Survive that killing curse. He just didn't wanted to tell him this because then there would be no sacrifical protection for those who he wanted to protect. In Hagrid' words " Great man Dumbledore "
Evil is maybe a strong word but Albus Dumbledore is definity a dark grey character. Not because of how he treated his siblings, how he viewed them (I find it hard to judge him due to my own personal experiences) but because of one phrase: "For the greater good". This is one of the most clever things JK Rowling added to his character as one phrase tells you everything about the man. Despite what has happened in his past and how infamous the phrase would become (being plastered over the gates of Nurmengard), every action he took in his life, any goal he set for himself, that phrase would guide his hand and this to an extreme degree... Dumbledore, perhaps with heavy heart, did dark deeds or allowed them to happen for the greater good. I still have to watch "Crimes of Grindelwald" but from the original 7 books, we can clearly see he wasn't a traditionally good man. He did what he deemed to be necessary "For The Greater Good", no matter the personal cost it would entail, either from him but mostly from others. He was like a chessmaster, willing to sacrifice pieces if that could improve his place on the board, he embodied the idea of: you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. He was manipulative and sacrificed people left and right if that meant he could gain an advantage and had little moral qualms about it. Interestingly and this makes him quite unique and a great anti-hypocrite: he considered himself an egg as well: when it became all to clear to him that his own death would benefit the Greater Good, he started to make the arrangement to be snuffed out as well. The curse on his hand sped up the time table maybe but I do feel that he was always to die for his cause if that meant the blow to the other side would be significant enough (and it was, it lined up Voldemort for the killing blow, whether the latter realized it or not).
I could list up every action he took, that was morally dubious or hints at morally dubious motives for the Greater Good but it would ended up a very long list as most of his actions with story significance was that.
So I could kill half the human population to save the earth and say it's for the greater good. Would that make me a morally grey person? Ah no it's fine if everyone thinks I'm evil I can just kill myself as well to make myself look less evil. Yeah no everyone would still think I'm evil, same with Dumbledore. Just because he was willing to die for the cause in the end doesn't make him any better
@@-synchronize The short of it: I see him as morally dark grey (though not evil) and most of his decisions in his life (mostly against dark wizards), obey the principle of "For the Greater Good". As in he will make morally dubious choices if he believes it will benefit the larger wizarding world positively.
@@ProjectTH-cam Honestly? You could and still be considered morally grey... Killing few to save many can often considered to be morally grey, when there is no immediate better alternative. Good and evil are tricky things: if you kill an innocent, you're evil, if you kill a killer, you're a hero. But imagine if by killing an innocent, you stop a serial killer from ever killing again... That's when things get complicated as what's more evil: killing the innocent but spare countless others or sparing the innocent yet ensuring that the killer will kill again...
This is Dumbledore's situation in a way (though a bit more complex): every action he takes that causes to make others suffer, it is done so many more won't suffer in the future. He gives them up "For the Greater Good". Is that evil? Maybe for those who are sacrificed and for their families but the rest of the world would like frown but understand the actions, cold as they are. That's why I call him dark grey. His willingness to sacrifce himself was also more to highlight his commitment to "For The Greater Good" principle.
On a side note and just out of curiosity: your name... Are you by any change Dutch or Flemish?
Albus Dumbledore is the most intriguing character ever. I’m sure he’s done questionable things. I don’t think one can become the owner of the 3 Hallows without casting a few unforgivable curses. There’s a scene in the last movie, in snape’s memories where he beg Dumbledore to not kill him
One thing I don’t understand, if Voldemort needed to kill Harry (as Dumbledore was planning so that Voldemort would destroy the horcrux that was Harry) who was supposed to kill Voldemort ?
My first thought is Dumbledore himself, but that only work up to the beginning of HBP. I think in the end the plan was either for Snape to kill Voldy (And once the horcruxes were destroyed, he might have pulled it off) or Dumbledore anticipated Harry's opportunity to go back and defeat Voldemort then.
Voldemort had lilys blood inside him so dumbledore probably guessed harry wouldn't die
I think the real defense against the dark arts lessons were taught using the teachers. Dumbledore was the teacher all along
What about lupin?
He was brilliant. And that was both his blessing and his curse. Smart enough to take over the world, but also smart enough to resist once he saw the consequences. Smart enough to plan for Voldemort's possible return the same night he was destroyed. Smart enough to realize that his plan was needed after the first book. He had many years to consider and try to find other ways, only to find that his first plan was the only one that had a chance to work. Time to understand the consequences of that plan, both failure and success. Here was a man who almost fell to darkness, and what he saw made him stand against it. Are you really surprised that for one who stared at the darkness for so long, that a little reflected off? Real heros are often cold because of the many hard choices they had to make "for the greater good".
He's not evil, he's a general fighting a war, he knew Voldemort wasn't dead after he tried to kill Harry, so Dumbledore strategised and planned for the eventuality of Voldemorts return and how he could be stopped for good
Part 1:
It's really sad that by the end of Book 7 we learned that Harry was no "great wizard" or really even a hero at all. He was just a naïve boy/teenager brainwashed and manipulated by Dumbles into suicide for a cause. It proved no different than any other child brainwashed and manipulated by religious extremists (almost always Islamic) into strapping explosives to themselves and blowing themselves up along with, "the enemy." After all, in those adults' minds, it too is for, "the greater good." I hope you'll excuse my extreme disgust with any adults using children in a war and knowingly setting them up to die. It's an ultimate evil to use a child like that, no matter what the cause or reasons may be, and it DEFINITELY makes Dumbles every bit as much a monster as Voldy.
OotP, Chapter 37, Dumbles to Harry:
"Five years ago you arrived at Hogwarts Harry, safe and whole, as I had planned and intended, well - not quite whole. You had suffered. I knew you would when I left you on your aunt's and uncle's doorstep. I knew I was condemning you to ten dark and difficult years."
HBP, Chapter 3, Dumbles to the Dursleys:
"He has known nothing but neglect and often cruelty at your hands."
"The magic I evoked fifteen years ago means that Harry has powerful protection while he can still call this house 'home'. However miserable he has been here, however unwelcome, however badly treated, you have at least, grudgingly, allowed him houseroom."
What Dumbles did was no different than kidnapping an African-American infant and forcing the poor child onto a family of Ku Klux Klan supporters with a threat to provide the child a home. Harry received the same treatment you'd expect for that poor child assuming (s)he wasn't killed outright, don't you think? Sure, he survived, but as nothing more than a horribly abused slave of the Dursleys. It was stated clearly that Harry's abuse was physical as well as mental and emotional. There was mention of Petunia striking him over the head with a hot frying pan in the kitchen as well as Vernon's comment about nothing being impossible to 'beat' out of the "freak" implying that beatings were common. Then of course they also encouraged Dudley's 'Harry Hunting' and attacks on the, "freak."
Dumbles could've done something to ensure that Harry's childhood wasn't dark and difficult but instead chose not to and, in doing so, he proved that 'dark and difficult' childhood was, in fact, precisely what he really wanted Harry to suffer through. The Wizarding World is full of charms and potions compelling particular behavior. It would've definitely been preferable and much happier for both Harry and the Dursleys if Dumbles had at the very least used a Compulsion Ward or Charm to ensure Harry was at least accepted, if not loved, by the Dursleys. After all, his living with them was deemed by Dumbles to be necessary regardless of them clearly not wanting Harry. Thus he proved, by forcing Harry upon them, that they lacked any real free will in the matter; that what they wanted was unimportant, anyway, in the much greater need for Harry's safety. (Dumbles's Howler to Petunia, "REMEMBER MY LAST!" when the Dursleys were about to throw Harry out along with prior statements scattered throughout earlier books proved that Harry's residence with the Dursleys was coerced upon the Dursleys in some way by Dumbles). So why then didn't he take the added step to ensure Harry grew up well, since the Dursleys' free will didn't matter to him anyway? In fact, his coercion absolutely ensured the Dursleys would take out their resentment and hatred upon Harry. It was abundantly clear that he fully intended Harry's suffering through an abusive and enslaved childhood because he needed the boy (and prophesied weapon) meek, weak, and fully obedient to easy control by adults.
After all, Dumbles fully admits that he knowingly subjected Harry to more than a decade of abuse and enslavement by his relatives with no such effort to ensure Harry's well-being. Is it any wonder that Harry trashed the old bastard's office afterwards (and I don't blame him)? It might be confusing to some, how later, Harry did a 180 and was again "Dumbles's man" despite the evil Dumbles knowingly inflicted upon him. But all that was needed to fully regain and seal Harry's loyalty was Dumbles paralyzing and forcing Harry into watching the old bastard intentionally martyr himself. He was dying already, but was careful not to tell Harry that. He made Harry believe that he sacrificed himself to protect Harry and thus forever sealed Harry's zealous loyalty. It's a tactic called "martyrdom" and it's been used to seal complete and zealous loyalty to a cause or person very successfully for more than a thousand years by cultists and also historically by Islamists. It was also the very fate he had planned for Harry - to die as a martyr.
I strongly encourage everyone to read up on the subjects of brainwashing children, the effects of neglect and abuse on a child's personality, and also children brought up in cults with figures and followings (such as Dumbles was in the Wizarding World). Only then could you truly understand how horrific of a monster Dumbles really was in not only what he did to Harry, but also how he used his position as Headmaster of the premier wizarding school in Britain to ensure generations of children's (and later adults') awe of him and belief in his apparent goodness and infallibility. That belief allowed him to do virtually whatever he wanted under the Sun (ignoring laws at whim and even enslaving the infant hero of the Wizarding World to hateful and abusive Muggles) with little or no question from anyone. The only one who would've questioned Harry's placement was conveniently thrown in prison without a trial by Crouch Senior of the DMLE and Bagnold of the Ministry, with the ASSISTANCE of Dumbles as the Chief Warlock. He admitted that he gave the DMLE "evidence that Sirius Black was the Potters' Secret-Keeper" to ensure Sirius was sent to Azkaban. This is interesting since any such evidence would have to've been fabricated or exaggerated by Dumbles since, not only was Sirius NOT the Secret-Keeper, but according to the canon, Dumbles himself actually cast the charm to 'hide' the Potters. It was later revealed that it was the 'Fidelius Charm' that hid the Potters, so Dumbles would've most definitely known who was the real Secret-Keeper. It's a very stupid and very corrupt judge that sends people off to life-imprisonment and torture (Dementors are torture) without a trial. It was awfully convenient that the ONLY suspected Death Eater that was mentioned to've been sent to Azkaban without a trial just so happened to be the legal guardian of Harry Potter and Dumbles's only obstacle to control of the prophesied weapon. Especially when known and confirmed Death Eaters walked away free and were cleared without effort by Dumbles to ensure justice for them either.
Also, particularly take note of the effect and effectiveness of isolating a child that's been exposed to extreme trauma - limiting their access only to an environment of people who hate and abuse them with the sole outside "friendly" contact and source of information being the one person who wants to control them. He ordered Hermione to cut off all contact for "security" reasons but there was NO reason whatsoever Hermione couldn't've remained in contact via phone or Muggle mail or that the Order guards couldn't've passed messages on for him at Grimmauld Place - EXCEPT that it would've given Harry other people he could trust and rely upon in his time of need. Dumbles couldn't have that. He needed complete control over Harry and so he blocked Harry from ALL other outside "friendly" influence except his own when Harry needed Hermione most in order to keep Harry dependent on him.
In essence all of this proved Dumbles to be much like a Wizarding World equivalent of Charles Manson (a complete f*cking nutjob, if you ask me) or perhaps closer to being like Jim Jones (another complete f*cking nutjob) with a touch of mafia behavior in ensuring obstacles to his plans are, "out of the way." The sole difference being that instead of getting his followers to murder for him like Charles Manson and Voldy had done, Dumbles instead got them to die for him and his cause like Jim Jones. Harry and so many others essentially committed suicide at Dumbles's mere "asking". Anyone up for some Kool-Aid? Do you deny that Dumbles could've convinced a significant number of people in the Wizarding World (especially many of the children) to drink? (If you're not familiar with the reference, google "Jonestown" and brace yourself should you choose to view any of the images because, trust me, they're fucking sick and I hope Jones is burning in Hell).
Part 2:
BOTH Dumbles and Voldy fought what's called a "proxy war" where they used others (cultish followers mostly, though, in Harry's case, he was simply a kidnapped and brainwashed child) to fight and die for them. BOTH of them manipulated, used and endangered, or outright sacrificed the lives of others, often innocents and children - without those people's knowledge or informed consent. Just because one's ends may be deemed noble doesn't mean that such evil methods are acceptable to reach those ends. The moment you commit an act that evil, you are evil, regardless of the 'supposed' aims you committed the act for. Why is it to be any more tolerated for Dumbles and the "Light" to commit such atrocities than the "Dark" that're doing it? In fact, Dumbles always hypocritically used that very argument to discourage anyone from using lethal force against the Death Eaters, but yet all of his own actions and intentional inaction proved equally vile and evil in result, if not intent. It was the philosopher, Nietzsche, who said, "He who fights monsters should see to it that, in the process, he does not become a monster. And when you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." Knowingly enslaving an innocent one-year-old infant to fifteen years of hatred and cruelty as a means of shaping that child's personality for easier influence and control is but only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. How about discouraging his followers from properly defending themselves but rather, instead, let the enemy kill them? His complete insistence upon stunning and releasing torturers, killers, rapists, and terrorists only allowed them to be revived or released to later go off to torture and kill someone else. Something that's far more evil than putting down the rabid cat for what it is before it could hurt someone else. Note how the Malfoys among others were walking free at the end of DH despite the murders and tortures they'd done. How many others've since then likely been tortured and killed by them in the intervening nineteen years before the epilogue? Dumbles operated under the premise that the lives and well-being of everyone else, particularly future victims, are unimportant compared to his belief in giving infinite second chances of redemption and repentance to killers, torturers, rapists, and terrorists, who're all people who don't at all desire or want redemption and repentance. Many good people died unnecessarily all thanks to Dumbles's cult of personality.
I think the most telling difference between Dumbles and Voldy though, was that Ol' No Nose's followers had the choice whether or not to serve him. Dumbles, on the other hand, kidnapped an infant boy and then conditioned (brainwashed) him through years of slavery and abuse followed by manipulation into suicide for Dumbles's cause. In other words, Moldyshorts's followers had a choice while Dumblef*ck enslaved innocent children into his service. You can't get much more vile and despicable than that. Ultimately Harry Potter was nothing more than a poor kid that was kidnapped and brainwashed by the "good guys" into being a suicide bomber. (I'd compare Harry to Jason Bourne, but Harry had absolutely no choice in the matter and no special training or preparation beyond the brainwashing to die for everyone else).
By the end of DH there's a huge amount of suffering, blood, and death on Dumbles's hands (as much as or even more than on Voldy's and his Death Eaters') for his usage of others and refusal to use his own power (magical and political) to truly stop any of them from harming or killing others. It's a lot like a cop that chooses to stand by and merely watch while a scumbag guy r*pes and murders an eight-year-old girl - refusing to help for whatever his own personal reasons. Who's the bigger monster? The sick f*ck doing the r*ping and murder or the person who's taken on the title, position, and responsibility - trusted by all to protect the victim - but instead refuses to do so as the girl's r*ped and murdered without a care? Dumbles even went so far as to not only protect such monsters from being rightfully killed in self-defense or justice, but even worse invited such monsters into a school full of children. Equally as horrific was knowingly enslaving children to hateful monsters as a means of brainwashing and control. Not just the Dursleys, but also Snape. Ask yourselves about the "coincidence" of the only long-term Professor being outright abusive of Harry who just so happened to be "promoted" to teaching Harry's best magical subject the year Harry would've left his influence in Potions class because he failed to meet the minimum grade Snivellus required. It was blatantly clear that Dumbles used Snivellus to keep Harry abused and beaten down while at Hogwarts and away from the Dursleys' abuse. Harry was never given a reprieve from the bullying and abuse because that's what Dumbles wanted and needed in order to shape him into a martyr who believed his own life had no value and was better to sacrifice for others more deserving of life and happiness.
That's what disappointed me most about the canon. Ultimately, Harry was revealed to've never been a hero at all. Instead he was nothing more than a severely used and abused victim, kidnapped as an infant from his legal guardian and brainwashed into his role of suicide for Dumbles's cause. Those who read the books should heed its hidden warnings against adults in positions of authority over children exploiting children for their own purposes and ideals, and the use of children in wars by adults.
I think the excuse of, "Dumbledore, who has made some bad mistakes, is doing his best to rectify them.", is just a cheap cop-out/get-out-of-jail-free card for the old man. He made dumb mistakes and how he tries to rectify them, he does a pretty p*ss-poor job at that. When given the opportunity to fix all his mistakes, he just uses that as an open door to make the same damn mistakes all over again, or make new ones as well. He clearly makes the dumbest decisions I think a human being could make, my new girlfriend even wonders if he's just flat-out stupid.
It's stupid and annoying as all f*cking hell when he keeps constantly saying that he's made "a lot of mistakes" and that they were "an old man's mistakes" over, and over, and over again. No, you dumbass old idiot, what you did weren't an old man's accidental mistakes...what you did was fully and completely intentional. A wise being (Yoda) once said, "Lessons learned too late, mistakes are." and that a mistake is only an accidental mistake when you don't know what the outcome'll be in the future and feel horrible about the action that you took, and actually are sympathetic about your regret and guilt, not lying to others only to save and cover your own ass. However, if you intentionally know what the outcome's gonna be...then it's not an, 'accidental mistake', it was an intentional, deliberate action, regardless of what the outcome would be following the action taken and made, meaning that the person didn't f*cking care.
If mistakes were cookies, then Oprah Winfrey would still be f*t as all hell like she was still on hiatus.
Part 3:
I once accidentally spilled my orange juice all over the floor at the kitchen table because I was distracted by watching the TV, THAT was an accidental mistake because I didn't know the outcome of me spilling the juice because I thought I wasn't distracted and was aware enough that I wouldn't knock over my glass when I was putting it down on the table.
Accidentally stepping on someone's foot in a dark movie theater, that's a mistake.
Intentionally setting up a teenage boy to martyr himself through intentional, sacrificial suicide and only being raised in an abusive household just to die as a sacrificial lamb scapegoat for slaughter, that's DEFINITELY NOT a mistake, and is the work of an evil, heartless, and black-hearted monster.
Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumblef*ck can lie all he wants that he actually cared about Harry and was only doing the best that he could to protect him...but I know that's complete and utter bullsh*t, and can perfectly, clearly, see through the old bastard's lies. He wanted Harry to completely weaken Voldy Moldyshorts after destroying all of his Lucky Charms Horcrux prizes, get killed in the process in the final battle of the war, and Dumblef*ck would step in and kill the completely weakened Voldy once and for all in front of the entire Wizarding World, thus taking all the fame, glory, and credit himself for vanquishing the two most powerful Dark Wizards of modern times (Voldy and Grindelwald) (and two of some of the most powerful wizards to have ever lived), which would cement his fame in the history books and have him arrogantly and egotistically declare himself to be the most powerful wizard and most powerful user of magic to have ever lived to the entire Wizarding World (supposedly thinking himself to be more powerful and greater than Merlin and even surpassing Merlin).
Dumblef*ck was a lying f*cking piece of sh*t ever since the first book and film when, at the end when Harry was in the Hospital Wing, he told Harry, and I quote from the book, "I shall not, of course, lie", and yet all the f*cking old man does is lie throughout the rest of the entire book and film franchise. Just like Krazy K*ntleen Kennedy, the way to know when Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumbass Dumblef*ck is lying is when he opens his f*cking mouth, just like with knowing when KKK is lying is when she opens her f*cking mouth. The old man says he believes in and tries to do justice, and yet, all he does is lie...which goes against the meaning of justice. To quote Paul Dano's Edward Nashton a.k.a. Riddler from Matt Reeves's 'The Batman', "If you're justice, please don't lie" because if you do lie then you deserve to have, to quote Emo Peter/Bully Maguire from Spider-Man 3 (2007), "some dirt in your eye." Dumblef*ck thinks that whatever 'supposed' "wisdom" he spouts out is all that and is something important that everybody has to hear, but in reality, the real reason why he spouts out all of his bullsh*t is so that he has, to quote Chris Rock, "an excuse to run his f*cking mouth" and spout out all of his lying, cheating, stealing, manipulating, and controlling bullsh*t like he's giving the f*cking Gettysburg Address or something like that along those lines to his brain-dead, idiotic, brainless, and obedient sheep followers who would follow their "unquestioned leader" off a f*cking cliff.
Obi-Wan Kenobi loved Luke Skywalker due to the fact that he was his best friend's and brother-in-all-but-blood's son and was like an honorary nephew to him, but he NEVER set up Luke to die against Darth Vader and Darth Sidious.
Professor Charles Xavier a.k.a. Professor X kindly and selflessly took in hundreds of teenage Mutants and, by his own generosity, gave them a place to live in his own home where he and other members of the X-Men taught them to control their powers so that they could protect the Earth for the betterment of mankind, but he NEVER set up any of the students under his guidance, tutelage, and protection to die. He also allowed normal humans to attend his school alongside their Mutant counterparts and peers, and didn't discriminate against non-powered regular humans attending his school, like Dumbles discriminated against Muggles and Squibs attending Hogwarts (even being responsible for Petunia hating her younger sister's guts for the rest of her life, just because he wouldn't allow Petunia to go with Lily to Hogwarts and allow her to make her decision if she really belonged in and wanted to be part of the Wizarding World, by her own choice). He can lie all he wants and say he isn't racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminates against others all he wants, but he really IS a racist, prejudiced, bigoted, and discriminating person underneath, while Charles wasn't.
Gandalf didn't force Frodo to become the Ring-bearer of the One Ring and go on the quest with the Fellowship to Mordor to destroy the Ring in Mount Doom, Frodo chose by his own right, accord, opinion, and choice during the Council of Elrond to be the Ring-bearer and to take the Ring to Mordor to destroy it when the other members of the Council were arguing and debating among themselves. Gandalf asked Frodo if he (Frodo) was sure that he wanted to take the Ring himself to Mordor as the Ring-bearer, and that it was his (Frodo's) choice and his alone if he wanted to do it. When Frodo became the Ring-bearer of the One Ring Gandalf accompanied him and the other seven members of the Fellowship of the Ring to aid Frodo in his quest to take the Ring to Mordor, cast the Ring into the Crack of Doom, and bring an end to Sauron once and for all. Gandalf gave the life of his physical body to protect Frodo and the Fellowship from the Balrog, Durin's Bane, and battled against the Balrog atop the Misty Mountains where he struck down the demonic, fallen Maia, at the cost of his physical body's life. Gandalf did everything in his power to protect Frodo and his friends of the Fellowship, but he NEVER set up Frodo or any of the other members of the Fellowship to die, as they chose to go on the quest even though they knew they could most likely die, but again, that was THEIR CHOICE and theirs alone. Gandalf didn't make it for them.
In First Year, he decides to hide the Stone in a school full of children knowing that a homicidal maniac and terrorist is after it. Why doesn't he just shoot fireworks up in the air to spell out, 'THE STONE IS HERE, VOLDEMORT.'? Next, he has the Stone guarded by a giant, killer three-headed dog that could get loose and kill somebody. I won't take the excuse that he's harmless, he nearly took Harry's and Hermione's heads off when he tried to bite them. Yeah, really harmless there. He then literally decides to go into detail about the third floor corridor, knowingly enticing students to check it out instead of not saying anything that'd peak their curiosity. But instead, he's literally almost baiting kids to go there. The only thing between a curious student and Fluffy, was a locked door, which Hermione or any other First Year, with barely a month of being at school, was/would be able to open! The old, bearded, dumbass made the oldest, stupidest mistake in the book. From what my girlfriend Holly's sister and brother-in-law told Holly and I about their reactions to the old man's sheer stupidity is that: tell a whole school of children not to go somewhere, and most, if not all, of them will/would, just to find out why they shouldn't! Next, he says that the Forbidden Forest is also off-limits, yet has Harry, Hermione, and Neville go in there for detention (I don't care about Malfoy, since he could've been gutted like a fish by a Werewolf and I wouldn't care). Well, why don't you just blindfold them and have them walk head-first into a minefield while you're at it, you idiot? And finally, the very clever Dumbles has the Stone guarded by traps that're so pathetically simple that a pair of First Years were able to navigate through them, no problem. He should've placed a Fidelius Charm on the Stone and made himself the Secret-Keeper to make sure it was completely safe.
Part 6:
Dumbles is just a bad guy and that's it; plain and simple. He knowingly sent a baby into an abusive environment, completely abnegated his responsibilities as Chief Warlock and Supreme Mugwump (that's a five day discussion by itself), intentionally set up a young man for a suicidal self-sacrifice without warning or preparing him (Harry with a ridiculous Horcrux inside him), allowed a sadist to abuse his student population (Snivellus), allowed for substandard teaching at Hogwarts (History of Magic, Muggle Studies, Defense Against the Dark Arts (Year 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6), Potions (Year 1-5), and Divination), and routinely failed to protect his students from harm.
"...Dumbledore will happily betray the innocent in the hopes of saving the guilty." - (Sprinter1988)
Dumbles is also a monster because:
1) He didn't contact the students' parents and families about the attacks and petrification. Also decided not to contact the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, Auror Department, Magical Law Enforcement Squad, and the Ministry of Magic to send a group of Aurors and Hit Wizards from the DMLE, Auror Department, and MLES, as well as Director Saul Croaker and a group of his Unspeakables from the Department of Mysteries to help in the Chamber of Secrets incident and to hunt down and kill Slytherin's Monster or the "Serpent of Slytherin" (Slytherin's Basilisk), and to put an end to the incident so that no more students were petrified, or worse, killed. (Second Year)
2) He had an Acromantula colony in the Forbidden Forest that was near the school and could've led to the students being attacked by the Acromantulas, should they choose to emerge from the forest and attack both the students and the school. He knowingly placed all of his students and the entire school in danger with having the Acromantula colony nearby as they had no qualms about killing humans and devouring human flesh, which all of the students were humans (obviously). (Second Year)
3) He knowingly and purposefully kept three of Harry's rightful family heirlooms from him that were all heirlooms of the Peverells, whom Harry is descended from by blood and was the last, noble, heir and descendant of the Peverell Family (i.e. the Elder Wand, the Resurrection Stone, and the Cloak of Invisibility). (Prior to First Year, but also First Year until Christmas for the Cloak; First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Year with the Wand; and Sixth Year with the Stone)
4) He purposely decided not to acquire the Mandrake Restorative Draught from mature Mandrakes anywhere in Britain and to transport the draught to Hogwarts to immediately awaken the students from their petrified state, instead of waiting for the immature Mandrakes to grow at a slow rate that resulted in the students being awoken over five to six months later, thus leading to the students falling behind in their classes due to them having to make up for the work. (Second Year)
5) He knowingly hired Lockhart, whom he knew was a charlatan and a fraud. He subjected multiple Fifth and Seventh Year students to being taught by a fraud imposter and sabotaging their DADA classes and school grades by not having them prepared for the DADA portion of the End-of-Year exams when they would take their O.W.L.s and N.E.W.T.s at the end of the year, thus resulting in them most likely failing the DADA O.W.L. or N.E.W.T. of the exams. (Second Year)
6) He knowingly and purposefully sealed James and Lily Potters' Will that said that, "Under no circumstances is Harry to be raised by Petunia and Vernon Dursley" and that Harry was meant to be placed with guardians whom James and Lily chose; that included Sirius Black as first in line as Harry's godfather, Alice Longbottom as second in line as Harry's godmother, Remus Lupin as third in line as honorary uncle, and Amelia Bones as fourth in line as honorary aunt. He kidnapped Harry from his rightful guardian, whom he knew Sirius was innocent due to him swearing the Unbreakable Godfather Vow and would be unable to betray the Potters even if he was the Secret-Keeper, and deliberately left Harry with his magic hating relatives; knowingly defying Harry's parents' Will that said they forbade Dumblefuck from taking him to the Dursleys' home and being raised by Petunia and Vernon. (Prior to First Year)
7) He had no right interfering in Harry's life outside of Hogwarts. He might've been the Headmaster and all, but outside of Hogwarts and after the school year ends, he has no right overstepping his boundaries and attempting to interfere with Harry's life when he wasn't at Hogwarts and currently under its jurisdiction when school was in session. He also was a liar with saying that he was trying to give Harry a normal life and childhood, as well as only wanting Harry to be happy, when he knowingly placed Harry in an abusive household where he could've been seriously injured, or even killed by Vernon through manslaughter if the man went off more than ever before. (Fifth and Sixth Year)
8) He hypocritically said that Harry, Hermione, and the Order of the Phoenix shouldn't kill in self-defense when encountering Death Eaters, but that, in the end, Harry had to KILL Voldemort in order to get ridda him for good. What makes Voldy any different from his Death Eater followers that only he should be killed and they, who are equally evil, vile, monsters, should be allowed to continue drawing breath and be allowed to live, instead of being killed along with their supposed, "unbeatable Lord"? And when it comes to Dumblef*ck trying to say his bullsh*t fortune cookie excuse of, "All life is important", I have to say a quote from a once, great, man when I ask, "What's more important, the life of an innocent person or the life of a killer?" And his bullsh*t of always saying that what he does is only, "for the Greater Good", I can also counteract by saying another quote from that once, great, man and that's, "A purpose as defined by a single man, no matter how noble he believes it to be, can never be the Greater Good. It takes a special kind of man to wield power and kill if necessary to defend the innocent, and yet maintain their humility and humanity." Clearly Dumblef*ck isn't a special kind of man at all, and is no 'good' man only trying to do 'good' in the world.
He's just as much a liar who spouts lies to his obedient, mindless, sheep followers who follow him thinking him to be perfect and unbeatable like every other lying, manipulative, dictator and leader throughout history has done so. Dumbles already held great amounts of political power in the government as the Headmaster of Hogwarts, the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot, and the Supreme Mugwump of the International Confederation of Wizards, and could have say in what laws were approved and what laws weren't, thus allowing him to have control of the government as all of the laws that he created and benefited him were approved, while the laws that he didn't create and didn't benefit him weren't approved. He was a liar when he said that he didn't want the position of Minister of Magic of which he said was because he said he didn't trust himself and couldn't be trusted with power, despite the fact that he still held a majority of powerful, political positions in the government, and he wanted the world to think that he himself was above the position of Minister and that he was too good for it, as well as him being able to manipulate and control the Minister like a chess pawn or a puppet under the guise of 'advising' them so, in a way, he was really controlling the Ministry and the magical government of Wizarding Britain right in front of their very eyes, hiding in plain sight; like a snake. And the only two ways to take out a snake are to cut its head off, or, as Danny Trejo said, "bite it in the ass." (Prior to First Year, but also First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Year)
Part 8:
The thing is, there were always these hints of 'supposed' "greatness" from the old coot, but never anything of real consequence.
Even when Ol' No Nose Voldy Moldyshorts was only a student, Dumblef*ck suspected Riddle Junior was evil, but Dumbledork says himself, he didn't realize Tom would become one of the darkest, most evil, and most powerful wizards to have ever lived and graced the Wizarding World, and apparently didn't think enough of Tom being evil enough that The Old Brainless Bearded Wonder Blunder One should've raised any alarms with the authorities.
And Dumbles never even tried to help Riddle as a student and then he never could catch Tom once he became Voldy.
Instead, the readers are led to believe Dumbledork "bided" his time, and then everybody just got a lotta wise head-nods and "Just as I thought(s)" from the old Headmaster, when the rest of the world finally figured out that Ol' No Nose was a bad guy too.
Meantime, Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumbass Dumblef*ck just absolutely let Voldy grow and thrive, despite apparently being perfectly aware Moldyshorts was up to no good.
Of course, his excuse was always that Dumbles didn't have any proof, right? He just, "knew". That was another recurring theme. Dumbledork was 'supposedly' "great" enough to "just know" things, but could never quite "do" anything about it.
So, when innocent wizards and witches began disappearing unexpectedly, Dumbles "knew" it was Voldy, but the crazy, manipulative old coot of an asswipe was apparently powerless to do anything about it. Or it was part of his lying, cheating, stealing, and manipulative, grand, elegant, brilliant, Greater Good, master, "plan".
(I never understand how people disappearing and the entire Wizarding World being in mortal fear and danger for ten to twenty years was somehow part of Dumblef*ck's "plan" to bring down Voldy Moldyshorts, but I hear that comment often whenever I point out any given moment during the First Wizarding War that Dumb-as-a-motherf*cking-door Dumbass Dumblef*ck did nothing, sat on his wrinkled, old ass, sucked on his lemon drops, and jerked-off thinking about Grindelwald naked or going down on him and sucking his d*ck.)
Then there's that other popular defense.
"Dumbledore couldn't know EVERYTHING."
Right? Except...there's a little too much of what he should've known that gets thrown into that trash bin.
Like Crouch Junior fooling him for a year impersonating Moody. For a YEAR. And it took the death of a student to FINALLY shine the light on him.
Let me tell you something. If a kid dies on a Headmaster's watch, whatever the circumstances, "He couldn't know everything" is selling yesterday's donuts and calling them fresh baked, if you know what I mean.
It takes the death of a student and for Crouch Junior to act completely out of character by dragging Harry off to Moody's office for Dumblef*ck to finally pull his bearded head outta his wrinkled, old ass and to figure out (sarcastically Oh my gosh he immediately just knew!) that there was an imposter in the house.
Oh, yeah, Dumbles later gets that gleam in his eye. Guess he must've been pretty happy that Voldy got a hold of Harry. Because that makes a lotta sense. And Cedric? Cedric who?
It's hard to file that one under, "he couldn't know everything."
When you consider all the positions he chose to accept and keep, and the fact that he kept allowing himself to take on more responsibility...well...Everything comes back to his actions or inactions one way or another. Essentially he had so many responsibilities and duties that all of them were left lacking as a consequence.
As Headmaster he failed to ensure the subjects were kept up to date and that all the teachers were doing their jobs. While you could try to blame only the government for making it harder/difficult/impossible to update or change subjects...he was the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot, so he deserved almost, if not all, of the blame, and so he would've been able to give his votes, his thoughts, and more on what should be taught at Hogwarts. Instead...
Many of the Death Eaters went free after Voldy was first defeated. As he was the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot...that was in part his responsibility (he got Snivellus off after all...and at the same time he failed to ensure that Sirius got a trial). Said Death Eaters were also allowed to have political power and to spread the corruption in the Ministry. Harry was placed on the doorstep of his aunt's and uncle's home with a letter explaining the situation (he was old enough to be able to get around). Why not just ring the doorbell and talk to her and ensure his safety? Did Harry even get a medical evaluation or did he go directly from the cottage his parents were killed in to being abandoned outside her door as were likely?...As both Headmaster and Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot he knew the laws...and he also knew the proper way to do it legally.
Had he merely been the Headmaster and not had any other political positions things, hopefully, would've been different, or just the same. As it was though...he hoarded important positions and then failed to do a proper job with any one of them...much less using said positions to fight for the Light (for which he was supposed to be the leader of and someone to 'supposedly' strive to be like)...What he did do was start the Order of the Phoenix, had a 'light hand' that got most of them killed (because they fought against those that wouldn't hesitate to kill while being asked to not kill in self-defense themselves), and ultimately left a baby responsible to defeat the Death Eaters, unmarked followers, and, finally, the only person said baby was supposedly prophesied to defeat.
It's tantamount to betrayal to suggest that Dumbledore is evil. Evil was everything he fought against and eventually what he gave his life to defeat.
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I think it's pretty interesting how Snape reacted to hearing how Dumbledore was setting Harry up to die, both in the books and in the movie. In both cases, he was unhappy to say the least to hear it, despite not being the biggest fan of Harry, often antagonizing him. I think Snape was never really a bad person, just someone who had bad circumstances and never broke free of those circumstances and did some terrible things after falling in with the wrong crowd.
Snape bullied eleven-year-olds mercilessly. He was a bad person.
@@DD77143 the bullied have a tendency to bully back. If you're going to counter a point, be sure you add nuance :)
@@ashtonhaggitt216 he also was fine with a family being murdered including a 1 year old as long as he gets a chance to try to fck his ex best friend yup sounds like a “good guy”
The best way I've heard Snape's actions towards Harry is that he physically protected Lily's son whilst mentally tormenting James' son
No i don't think he was evil , he had some thoughts when he was working with grindelwald but he stopped, i would say he was selfish sometimes
If this is true, then Snape cared more than Dumbledore about Harry. The fact that Snape looked horrified when Dumbledore said this proves it
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He only cared that a part of Lily was going to die and the work he had done to ensure her sacrifice was not in vain appeared to be for nothing. He didn’t care about Harry.
He didn't. Snape did it for Lily. dumbeldore made sure Harry was ready to end voldemort.
@@abdirahmanidris290 true
It wasn't that Snape cared for Harry. That's not why he looked horrified. He looked horrified because he realised how much he had been used, lied to and manipulated by Dumbledore. I could imagine there would be, after Voldemort's demise, a lot of Hogwarts faculty that would have felt the same way once they realised just how they had been manipulated into being complacent in the abuse of Harry and other students. I think if Minerva McGonagle was thinking she could open the school within a few months of the war, I think she was dreaming. I would say there would be quite a few faculty after Dumbledore's death and after the war was over that probably needed to go away and do some serious soul-searching.
Albus isn't evil. If he didn't plan out what he did then so many more wizards,witches and even muggles would've been killed by Voldemort and the Death Eaters. Albus is misunderstood. Albus did what was necessary to the save the wizarding and Muggle world. Albus did what was right by planning things out. Albus could've easily have don the easy thing and have just kept everything to himself and not let the Order,Ministry or the Golden Trio have a single slither of information.
I don't think Dumbledore is evil but he is one of my least loveable characters
I hate him coz saying " greater good" he made many sacrifice their lives including Severus
Hogwart is one of the dangerous places on earth, so every student is at risk.
Not a place I would send my kids.
And sending Harry to Privot drive id almost as bad as putting him in Azkaban.
And Harry and Co. had to fight Voldemort alone.
If not evil, he was a bit dodgy …
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Personally, my favorite Dumbledore theory from back in the day when I first read the books was that he was a time-traveling Ron Weasley. That being said, he very well could have ended up evil had his sister Ariana never died. His sister's death spurred him on to make a change and turn his back on Grindelwald's cause.
Dumbledore was in a position of power and had to make tough decisions in order to defeat Lord Voldemort who was infinitely evil. Decisions which he probably didn't like having to make.
Dumbledore wasn't evil, but he was focused on the greater good. He saw Harry as a weapon, allowing him to die would be saving millions. Moral question If you had the option save a child and kill a million people you don't know or let him die and stop a war.
Absolutely true ! A great example for this statement ! I agree
Dumbledore may not be evil but he did treat Harry badly. For example, he sent Harry to live with the Dursleys (sorry if I spelt that wrong) knowing that he would be abused, he mentally neglected Harry a lot throughout the entire series, he withholds him from important information, and he raised him just so that he could die at the hands of Voldemort.
He did it for the greater good. He was right to withold most of the information. Harry is hot headed and he might have made a mistake if he knew. Only thing Dumbeldore should have told him was that voldemort might lure him into the Department of ministries
How about...no.
He’s definitely not evil.
He’s morally dubious if anything.
That is a very good way to phrase it
Morally dubious people *are* evil.
I think you’re spot on. I liked Snape more than Dumbledore. Snape was honest and forthright about his dislike of Harry; however, out of his love for Lily, he still watched out for him. Dumbledore, on the other hand, whilst appearing to like and help Harry did use him and played him false so many times.
i disagree. Snape would have seen james and harry die as long as lily was safe. Dumbledore sacrificed himself to defeat voldemort so anything he put harry through is understandandable
Like many successful men to whom others look for solutions, Dumbldeore began to believe only he had the tools, knowledge, and talent to save the Wizarding World from Voldie. The idea of sharing his knowledge and benefitting from the experiences and knowledge of others never even occurred to Dumbles. He was not evil; he suffered from hubris. Many lives could have been saved if only Dumbles had deigned to share what he knew.
I remember Harry kept on saying
"I don't care" whenever Albus's brother brought up the past between them
Harry: I can only go by with what I know about him.
Yes, the 17 year old had it all figured out. 🙃
i hate that harry can't hear a story from different perspectives i always wanted to know more about aberthot i think he is underrated
Well Dumbeldore changed. He was still very flawed but he was a better man than when he was friends with grindelwald
While Harry may have had to live with the Dursleys, he could have done measures to make sure that he wasn’t being abused by them. And he could have spoke up to make sure Sirius had a trial before he was thrown in Azkaban for 13 years.
Not evil, but I don’t really agree with his ‘ends justify the means’ mindset
Well, he's the guy who invent "For the greater good" slogan for Grindelwald.
Me neither
The ends always always always justify the means. -Dumbledore and anyone who wants to win at anything
I know it's a theory but I hope not LoL 😅
As a parent and an old-fashioned English teacher, I think this is more than a theory. Dumbledore may have had good motives. But his methods were simply the epitome of the "end justifying the means"--and, in reality, the end never justifies the means. He manipulates Harry from the very beginning of Harry's life and he never wavers from his master plan, even ordering his own death at another's hand regardless of what this will cost the one so-ordered (Snape). While we may admire--from a safe distance--Dumbledore's ability to execute such a complex scheme over a span of many years, we certainly cannot admire the way he caused his plan to be executed and its cost in human suffering. This is just one reason, and a serious one, that I consider the HP series to be good reading (to a point) for adults who can sort out these motives and methods. But I would not, as a parent or a teacher, recommend HP books for any child. Good work again, HP theory.
I couldn't agree more!!
I dont know if I would go as far as to say that he is outright evil. But, he is more of a gray character than we were initially led to believe. That makes him 3 dimensional but less authentic and trustworthy than I had previously thought. I think except for the part where he didnt intervene when the Dursley's abused him, he is generally prioritizing the good of the Wizarding world above Harry, which I see as being a necessary evil given the circumstances. With that being said he still should have tried to be more transparent with Harry. His tendency to hide the truth, added a lot of unnecessary problems in an already stressful situation.
I'd really like to see a video detailing as much history as possible about the magical transportation methods of Harry Potter. Such as Floo Powder, broom sticks, apparition ect. Would be a great video :)
What is better? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?
unrelated but could dumbledore have created a horcrux just believing that he killed/murdered his sister? ie is actually murdering someone a requirement or are there other scenarios where one can be created?
interesting thoughts.
It sais that killing someone splits your soul,
but is it the killing itself,
or the intention of killing someone or
the terrible thought of having killed someone?
No, it has to be an intentional murder, without remorse or regret. That is what causes the soul to split. Ariana's death was not intentional, she merely got caught in the crossfire. Also, regardless of whether it was Gellert or him who cast the spell that killed Ariana, Albus certainly felt remorse over her death. But, let's say Albus did intentionally murder Ariana with no remorse. He would still not have a Horcrux, as both the main and split soul fragments are still in his body. He would need to perform a spell to prepare the object that will house the fragment and then transfer the fragment to the object. Only when the object has the soul piece does it become a Horcrux.
@@Lotschi not just killing but murder, while dumbledore talked to snape, he strongly implies that snapes soul would only be split if he believed he murdered. and because of harry we know that magic that is normally triggered by a death doesnt necessarily need a death to happen, just the intent/belief that it will/did.
@@DarkXaven so lets say someone intends to murder someone with no remorse and performs the necessarily rituals but the person they tried to kill is actually still alive, would they be able to create a horcrux?
@@penteractgaming I think it depends on whether the killer knows if the victim survived or not. If the killer believes they have succeeded in killing the victim, then I think the soul would split. If not, then I don't think a split would happen.
Dumbledore was never evil, but he sure would be a darker lord then Voldemort for sure.
So than J.K Rowling for making him not evil:)
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Hm, he doesn't look evil…-
lol
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
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Is Dumbledore evil ? No! Sure he was manipulative but not evil .
He was a selfish and foolish teen... He did learn and come around from his mistakes as bad as they were.
He decided to do things in life that were really for “the greater good”
He was not evil. Made some mistakes and changes his life for the better!!
Dumbledore was not evil, but he never truly let go of his ideology of " For the Greater Good." that he shared with Grindelwald, he just adapted that ideology into defeating Voldemort instead of using it to rule the Wizarding and Muggle Worlds.
The issue with Dumbledore in particular isn't that he's Evil. It's that he's pre-Horcrux Voldemort, but the *other side* of the coin.
In the books especially, Dumbledore is treated like he's the magical equivalent of Jesus reincarnated. He just..collects people.
Even before he became Headmaster, he probably had the clout to get Hagrid off with maybe a slap on the wrist for taking the fall for Riddle the first time the Chamber opened up.
But did he? No. No, he did not.
Same thing with Lupin, he could've made him a respected member of society, and potentially a champion of equal treatment of various other Near-Human Magicals.
Instead, he let Lupin be forced to run around Europe, barely able to afford to live due to his condition being an automatic disqualifier for any job, until he needed a Defense teacher.
"Ten thousand points to Slytherin!"
The first Dumbledore was the REAL Dumbledore. Dumbledore in Goblet of Fire, Order of the Phoenix, and Half Blood Prince SUCKED!!!!!!
Also amount of bullying that goes on at Hogwarts without Dumbledore doing much about it. In fact sometimes he seems to encourage it with the way he puts the students from different houses against each other.
Remember the end of Deathly Hallows Part 2? Dumbledore explained himself quite plainly right then & there... in Portrait Form: "I've always had a weakness for Power." He, in my humble opinion, was right. That was a pretty big flaw to have, exacerbated by difficult early circumstances, & he took quite a long time to come to grips with it... understand it... realize the fault... & eventually find a way to make his peace with it. He however, could not simply chuck it outta his mind & slay it. He may well have eventually gone into Emotional Battle with it trying to figure out how to best it & better himself... a fight that lasted the entire rest of his life, like a battle between an Inner Lion and an Inner Snake. Some battles he won... (Like when he managed to succeed in Humility & show the wisdom to NOT accept the Post of Ministry of Magic he knew his Inner Demons would be able to feed off the power off way too easily... or the times, effort, & toil he did to shield Harry from Fudge's 'fudging up' at HIS trying to not suck at being a Minister of Magic.) some battles he lost... (Like his tragic tactical miscalculations that contributed to Sirius Black's Death... or Harry + Snape Occlumency Lessons...) but this is part of what made Albus such a Character. He was no Gandalf, he had a LOT of Internal Strife & Inner Demons issues. No one of logic or rationality can ever call him a Mary Sue. Though he will surely have a LOT of regrets to stew over in his Portrait Life & the Afterlife, he really coulda done worse... lots worse...
Compare & Contrast Tom Riddle, who really seriously literally DID do worse... lots worse...
As long as he still call it home, didn’t he say that hogwarts was his home?
So the so-called Blood Wards were useless then?
He was clearly not evil, none of the things he did were for the purpose of personal gain or hurting others. But he was VERY cold & calculating, with a certain amount of ruthlessness (he would happily club a baby seal to death, if it somehow resulted in a permanent end to dark wizards). He would HAVE to be, otherwise it would make no sense for Voldemort to fear him... would you ever fear anyone regardless of how much more powerful than you, if you knew that they were just a giant softy that would never do anything to harm you no matter what?
^ I wrote that before watching the video but after watching the first 3 minutes, it's clear that you just didn't comprehend the books when reading, if you even read them at all.
The examples you use in support of your "theory" don't make any sense and are directly disproven within the books, making them not a "theory" so much as a lack of comprehension.
1. Dumbledore CLEARLY isn't trying to use Harry to gain power, as he himself stated that he never pursued the minister of magic position because he didn't trust himself to be able to handle power responsibly. Not to mention that supporting Harry clearly caused Dumbledore to LOSE power and influence and yet he continued to do so
2. He sent Harry to live with the Dursleys because of the blood magic protection thing, not because he wanted to be cruel for no reason... it was written directly in the book that the Death Eaters came to attack as soon as Harry turned 17, because that's when the protection wore off.... or are you suggesting that they arbitrarily waited for that time just for funsies?
3. He DIDN'T grow indifferent and mistrusting of Harry as he got older, wtf are you even talking about? Nothing in the book supports this. Unless you are referring to him specifically stating that he was avoiding Harry after learning that he was a horcrux for Voldemort's soul, while he was trying to figure out how to deal with that information, in which case he was clearly mistrusting of VOLDEMORT'S SOUL, not of Harry.
4. Dumbledore immediately believed Harry when he stated that he didn't put his name in the Goblet, what do you mean "he refused to believe him"?!
I couldn't watch the video anymore past the first 3 minutes because it was so foolish and annoying. If you are going to make a "theory" video about something, you need to have at least a base level understanding of the subject, rather than just pull some random thoughts out of your butt.
What you did is like if I made a video saying "what if the ocean is actually made out of cotton candy and not water?" and just made up a bunch of nonsense that is factually incorrect to try to support my "theory" such as saying "h20 is actually the elemental composition of cotton candy, not water"
Simply a trash video by someone who doesn't know how to employ logic when crafting theories.
Video idea for you to do:
What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do other than ward off dementors?
answer: can turn into an animal that represents a person’s inner personality experiences or passed on by love interest, but i like the idea of expecto patronum patronus charm, with ya all the way!
Dumbledore being evil cuz he didn't want to take care of his siblings, is by far the most stupid thing I ever heard! He was young and silly. Would you like to be in charge of a family after finishing high school? Who would? Does it make him evil? No way man, It makes him human! What would make him a poor written character would be him, at his 17-18 years old, being happy for having that responsibility over his shoulders!
I dont think dumbledore was evil but i cant say that he was all good either. I can say that he did what he thought was good. Even when he was on grindlewalds side he thought he was doing a good thing (and also love probably blinded him a lot). And eventually he did turn around his beliefs, obviously much later than he should have but im not claiming hes a saint. Harry was also a bit of a tricky one because while dumbledore cared a lot about him he knew harry was the only person that could stop voldemort so he had to put the greater good of all wizarding society ahead of harry. Its a tough decision to make especially when you care about someone so much and that someone is also really young but literally no other person could defeat voldemort so he HAD to train harry to be able to defeat voldemort when the time comes. there were definitely times where he could have handled that better but you have to remember that dumbledore is still a human being hes going to make mistakes, and he didnt do things just for the heck of it there was always a reason. Like when he didnt speak or make eye contact with harry that was because he knew voldemort and harry were linked and he was afraid voldemort would be able to access harrys thoughts and know dumbledores plans. Also i would just like to mention that in the books dumbledore DID believe harry when he said he didnt put his name in the goblet of fire (at least thats how i interpreted it) the movie just didnt handle it well. And he always believed harry about other aspects too (probably because of legilimency but still). I do think it was sucky to leave harry at his aunts house for so long and i don't want to excuse that, and he was also not good at hiring teachers at all. Although while he didnt really care about his students education he would always step in when someone or something was going to hurt them (except for harry lol). I think dumbledore was incredibly loyal and committed to his job and the wizarding world as a whole, yes that sometimes meant sacrificing other people but when the whole wizarding world is at stake you have to make tough decisions. And yes he had a dubious past but he turned around and made amends. Id say hes more of a grey/good leaning character more so than an outright evil one.
No. Absolutely not. Dumbledore was not evil. I just hate it when a major part of the fandom goes onto saying that dumbledore was manipulative and evil and careless and self obsessed and what not. What they dont see it that dumbledore did what had to be done. He always cared for harry and for everyone. He planned everything in a way he thoughtwas right. Some of his plans worked and some didn't. And that's what humans are all about. They all make mistakes. But a good human is the one who accepts his mistakes and learn from them and then go on to do the right things. Yes he was ignorant in his youth about grindelwald. He was just blinded by his love for him. But when he had to take a stand against him, he did. He choose good over evil. He fought against the love of his life and defeated him. He was a kind man. He was good and kind to all humans (magical or not), animals and magical creatures (elves, goblins, gaints, centaurs, warewolves, etc). And all what happened at Hogwarts during harry's time there was carefully planned by dumbledore. Somethings were definitely out if his control like the opening of the chamber and the return of Voldemort but he did what he could to prevent harm to his students and staff. He planned it with mrs. weasley to go to kings cross and meet harry. He told hagrid to not tell harry how to get on to the platform so that harry has to look for help and can befriend the weasleys. Molly obviously knew it was harry and that's why she said "packed with Muggles, of course" and “Now, what’s the platform number?” aloud. Dumbledore wanted harry to be around a decent wizard family like the weasleys. Dumbledore always doubted quirrell's intentions. He asked snape to keep an eye on him. He didn't knew that quirrell was carrying voldemort on the back of his head but he definitely knew that quirrell was doing what he did on voldemorts orders. He just wanted to know who harry was as a person so that he can guide him on how can he defeat the darkest wizard of all time. He knew that the stone was fully protected inside the mirror and knew that voldemort will never be able to steal it. He got those obstacles made to test harry and his friends. The obstacles were planned in such a way that they all matched perfectly with the abilities of the trio. He appointed lockhart to show harry what happens when one lets their ego and fame inflate their mind too much. Because harry had a really good first year (popularity wise). He saved the philosophers stone, he defeats voldemort again, he becomes the youngest quidditch player in a century and he helps gryffindor win the house cup first time after at least six years. Harry was bound to have gained a lot of popularity and dumbledore wanted to keep harry's ego in check and so he hired lockhart. Lockhart was a great example to put forth of what a man becomes if he lets his ego and fame tamper their mind. He didnt knew Sirius was a good man because he was not in the plan of changing the secret keeper for the potters. And that's why he never tried talking to sirius. But once he came to know about the truth he did what he could to save him. Some of his plans went wrong but it happens with everyone. He knew harry was destined to face Voldemort. And as the prophecy said "for neither can live while the other survives". It was not in dumbledore's hands to finish Voldemort. It had to be harry. Dumbledore gave him a way, taught him what he needed to learn to defeat Voldemort, tried his very hard to make a way to save harry. And his plans worked. Harry survived. It was his plan to make harry go in the forbidden forest and to let voldemort kill him so that the piece of voldemort's soul could be finished and harry could survive. He knew that harry will survive as Voldemort used harry's blood to make his own body.
I am quoting the conversation between harry and dumbledore from goblet of fire when harry was telling dumbledore what happened after he touched the portkey in the maze which will prove that dumbledore cared for harry.
“He said my blood would make him stronger than if he’d used someone
else’s,” Harry told Dumbledore. “He said the protection my - my mother left
in me - he’d have it too. And he was right - he could touch me without
hurting himself, he touched my face.”
For a fleeting instant, HARRY THOUGHT HE SAW A GLEAM OF SOMETHING LIKE
TRIUMPH IN DUMBLEDORE’S EYES.
That triumph in dumbledore's eyes was their because he finally saw a way to save harry. Dumbledore knew since the end of goblet of fire that harry will be able to survive. He knew that harry has now become invincible against voldemort. He knew that Voldemort will act as a 'lovecrux' for harry. He knew that Voldemort will never be able to kill harry as his body (as the sacrificial protection from lily lives in Voldemort's blood ehich will tether harry to life.) will keep harry alive. He had to do what he did. If you call that manipulation and being evil then be it. But if dumbledore didn't do what he did, harry would have died in his first year.
P.S. - I can go on and on and on about how dumbledore was not what the 'general' people think he was. But I had to stop coz I dont think anyone's going to read it. (I know it too much but I couldn't help it.)
The protection of the Dursley's is highly questionable
So the beginning of the Sorcerer's Stone is overly misleading, as we see Minerva, Dumbledore and Hagrid deliver baby Harry to the Dursely home.
First off, there's a crime scene and a scarred baby. "Social Services" would be doing the delivery because you also need to get the kid in school so you need a birth certificate and the baby needed family not a cold school for Witches. So Dumbledore really had no choice but to let the Dursleys raise Harry.
As it is, by taking the baby to the Dursleys would have implicated them for the murders of the Potters.
I don't think he was evil, he had a reason for everything he did. And to your last point, it was natural for him to feel wasted and to be resentful.
"I teach high school."
"I'll give you a moment to cry."
Slughorn???? You HUSH about Slughorn!!! He wasn't evil!!!! He liked power, yes, but he wasn't evil.
I don't think he was evil, but letting Harry be raised by the Dursley's and turning a blind eye to bullying, both with Snape getting bullied and later turning into the bully wasn't ok.
The first point i can understand somehow. But the two last theories I would rather put them in "He was young and stupid" categories. That wasnt evil. I also did things in my early 20s which I am not proud of. That doesnt make anybody evil or bad. We keep learning our whole life. The death of his sister was clearly an accident - an fatal and very tragic accident, but not more nor less. Albus Dumbledore in the books had a much greater personality then in the movies. Too be honest: Movie Dumbledore is in my opinion the biggest disappointment in comparison to the books.
While it's true that he made some questionable decisions from time to time, it's ridiculous to even suggest that Dumbledore was evil. He did what he thought was best even when he didn't like what he was doing. He didn't like leaving Harry with the Dursleys. He didn't like leaving Harry cut off from the wizarding world after Voldemort returned, and he certainly didn't like raising Harry knowing all along that Harry was a horcrux of sorts and was destined to die, destined to sacrifice his life in order to stop Voldemort. He did these things because he believed he had to in order to protect the wizarding world. Dumbledore was like a general sending young soldiers into battle knowing all the while that many of them would not return. He didn't like doing it, but it was what was required of him at the time. He wasn't always correct in his choices, but he tried to be even when it meant sacrificing those he cared for most or even sacrificing himself. Dumbledore was flawed, as we all are, but he was not evil.
I don't think he is evil just someone who amde very bad bad and crazy decisions.His plans would not have worked if not for luck.
You sound sure. Are you?
@@trevorwilson6683 Yes.
Your criticism of Dumbledore's hiring of Slughorn is way off-base.
Yes, Dumbledore had ulterior motives for wanting Slughorn at Hogwarts: in addition to the memory, there was also the possibility that Death Eaters could try to recruit him for their side. But the reason the Death Eaters would want him is the same reason that Dumbledore would want him on staff: he is an incredibly powerful wizard and one of the best potion masters in the Wizarding World. Furthermore, Slughorn had already demonstrated that he was a gifted teacher, having already been a professor at Hogwarts for many years. And whatever else you can say about Slughorn personally, he clearly valued talent and merit over every other quality in his students.