Improving This Planer with YOUR Help!
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- We're back in the shop today and finding more ways we can improve the space with organization. I've always had issues with using my planer and it sounds like a lot of others do as well. So I built this planer cart with dust collection to make it SO much easier.
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Instead of those rollers for the out feed supports, you can just adjust the height of the whole thing to make the bed level with your table saw and it's out feed table. Then you don't have to pull out the portable supports and you'll have much more stability.
Yep that's what I though initially. I'm gonna remake my workshop one day (not so far) and i'm planning to have all worksurfaces same level to get more infeed/outfeed as needed. I saw it on some other youtubers, and found it really, really forward looking.
I love how you took the opportunity to fix issues that other people had as well !
The other big issue with the 735 is it eats blades. It's expensive, but the Shelix really helped there, and also made it a bit quieter. Well worth it if you plan to keep the planer.
Drops the castor -> Linus
That cracked me up...
Awesome! I am starting to use my DeWalt surface planer, and was running into similar problems with dust collection and leveling the infeed/outfeed tables. Brilliant fixes - I'll try them both with my setup. Thanks a million!!
I put my dust collection hose on the opposite side from the height wheel. That way the side I work on is cleaner from obstruction
The Linus comment threw me for a loop. Not the crossover I would expect but one I'm definitely here for. They DO have a lot of stuff to build in their new lab building...
haha I loved the Linus reference too!
Yup! was eating lunch and damn near covered my monitor in chicken salad...
Maybe they can start a new channel.."i like to drop stuff"
Make this collab happen!
As an IT guy first and not even close to a woodworker at all, just someone who likes tools and watching people be creative - I am also here for it.
Now, if say Bob, John Malecki, Johny Builds, etc went visiting the shop to collab on creating stuff. That would be awesome. But the crossover of woodworking and tech youtubers may not be as frequent.
Luckily bob's done a few things with Rob Scallon from my other side hobby, music :)
Looks like a nice box, and I hope you get lots of use out of it!
I also appreciate all of the comments suggesting to over-engineer the thing. It looks like you found a good balance of utility vs theoretical improvements!
I like the cart idea. 2 suggestions… use a rockler dust collection bag in the stand instead of the trash can (it’ll catch everything with no dust). And consider using a magnetic level to flatten the tables. It the level will pull the tables into alignment while you tighten them down
You're just so much better off with a longer auxiliary table than those fold down wings it's not even funny. I wouldn't even dream of using a thickness planer without the table in it. The difference is that huge. Those wings just suck ass. I really don't care how they're adjusted. They blow goatse in comparison to the auxiliary table.
Very innovative design. That must be the reason 1000s of woodworking including myself did this years ago. Still a classic.
I will be making this for my planer. Thanks ILTMS!
This is great! Was just struggling with dust collection on this planer and I think your solution is gonna be perfect!
Have a look at what John Heist did for making a cyclone with the trash can for this exact planer
Hello ILTMS team, Love the collection idea, one addition I think would be great is adding stretchy net or sock material over the trash can, it can be connected to the inside hose and fitted over the can , would help with keeping most of your material actually being collected into the can and not blowing out into the box when your bin is half way or so full.
Love watching your vids
That's a great idea! Thanks!
When measuring sound levels, test in the same location relative to the tool every time, before and after changes. Tools aren't like light bulbs, they emit more and less noise depending on where you're standing.
A good way to reduce the noise of the planer much more significantly is to swap the cutter out for a helical head. It has a bunch of other benefits over traditional planer knives too.
if you upgrade to a shelix cutter head by Byrd , it'll drop the noise level significantly!!
I've actually got one installed, just forgot to mention it 👍🏼
Ideally your auxiliary table would extend beyond the original wings some. You seem to have come up a bit shy on the outfeed side. You also need guides on the side so anything you put through the planer doesn't get caught in the planer. You lose a bit of width but who goes max width? I used plywood that I glued some sheet metal to.
Great idea Bob and crew! Hope all is well back east!
Should cut a hole in the lid the can came with to put the hose in so it doesn't blow chips/saw dust all over the inside of the box.
Yes, although the lid would also need some type of venting. It already blows the door open on the cabinet. Restricting air flow probably defeats the purpose of the blower on the dust exhaust. Seems like it'd be better using the dust collection system imo
I like the casters like that that can we remove. Stops me from tripping over them and it's cheaper to just buy mountain plates only
There are versions of these casters with pins that allow them to be removed from the plates quickly amzn.to/3YkGbEB
Fisher's Flip cart design all the way. That way you can have two tools in a single shop fixture. Just plug the hose into your existing dust collector.
Won’t it blow up the dust in the bin?
I like the box, it's a good solution to collect chips. The melamine, however, is a problem. The infeed and outfeed tables should be elevated slightly to reduce snipe as the board enters and exits the cutter, and the dial to set the thickness of the finished board is useless now. A better solution would be to hinge infeed and outfeed tables and use drop-down support legs that are adjustable. Good video, very entertaining.
Nope a flat auxiliary table is the best you're going to do. That stupid scale was worthless the day it got put on the machine. Get calipers.
the roller is ok but if you dont have it properly lined up with the planer it will cause the wood to move sideways. I suggest taking the roller off and attaching it to the melamine.
I'm definitely going to use some of that.
Really loved the editing on this one!
When I look at products on amazon I go straight to the 1-star reviews. IMO they are the only ones that matter. So There were enough negative reviews on the flip-up casters to give me pause (but then every product always does) I want to use this type but I don't want flimsy or low quality. It's like you don't know till you know. So my question is how does your experience compare to the 1-star reviews?
I bought the dust port kit from Rockler (Item # 34367) and built a chip separator from the free plans they offer. Since then, I have Clagettized it so that it holds the planer and and my 10" benchtop jointer (another 80 pound portable tool). It is ugly but it puts the complementary tools on the same cart.
Dust collection fittings struggle is real!
I made this. Initially I started with 2 @ 45 degree couplers to go through the box, most of the chips ended up outside the trashcan but some were in it. I switched to 2 90 degree couplers from woodcraft. I was hoping the double 90 degree bends would slow it down a little but no suck luck. Now all the chips end up outside the can. I can always use the hateful cloth filter bag but I was hoping this would replace that. Does the original have this issue?
For sound levels, you could open up the blower and make sure the fan/blades are balanced.
That's not where the noise is coming from.
Fantastic work, Bob! It's definitely much better now! 😃
I have a 25cm... 10" planer/thicknesser that I need to build a cabinet for it. But I have no idea of how it works yet, because I'm kinda scared from it. 😬
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
great video guys!
Love this! More videos of how to make tools better would be awesome!
So is the blower strong enough to blow the chips out of the can and fill up the surrounding area? That would be funny because I can see it happening to me. Cool build. Cheers!
An unintended consequence of adding helical cutter heads is that it will make your planer quieter too.
Love the content. You do a great job. Gave you a big like but way too many commercials- 8 or 10!!! I lost count. Anyway, TH-cam ain’t what it used to be. So long and all the best.
The Linus comment got me 🤣
It could be that loud because you've mounted it to a gigantic, hard surfaced box that now acts like a speaker box. Try lining the inside the box itself with the rubber to see if that nullifies the sound somewhat.
Nope thickness planers are just super loud.
Are these plans available yet? Thanks.
3D print a thing and make the chip can into a big cyclone collector.
This will not work well for dust collection.
I’ve experimented with a lot of dust options on the 735 and now just hook it up to my 4” dust extractor w/ cyclone and filter canister.
A single small filter will not let enough air through and you’ll lose a lot of suction at the cutter heads to the point of chips building up on the board. And fine dust will shoot out of the door opening and around the filter.
A separator w/ 4” inlets (a 2.5” inlet can’t handle the blower output), 20 gallon dust drum and large 3 micron dust bag can’t handle the blower output of the 735. After a few bf it’ll just clog up the bag filter enough to restrict airflow and cause chips to accumulate on the boards. After that I just gave up trying to have built in collection on this machine.
Cool project! One thing I would have done differently is put the pocket holes on the outside instead of the inside. Yes they will be visible, but by screwing in from the outside, the screw isn't as close to the end of the plywood, resulting in a much stronger 90 degree bond for your box. Keep up the great work!
LINUS
Does the melamine help reduce planner snipe?
I wonder too. I had thought that snipe was caused by the board going *up* at the end of the run; isn't it the case?
Well, it doesn't eliminate it completely, but it's better than the lower-than-planer fold down tables. I still lift the end of the board a tad when it enters and exits.
@@Iliketomakestuff I’m gonna have to do this with my planner.
If it needs to be strong, why use the famously weak pocketholes? Like, literally, they are the worst of all possible joints. They look nice from the outside, but they're much weaker.
So is the next video you adding an arduino powered "bin full" sensor that triggers a light on the outside?
not a bad idea
I've seen that on the Oneida dust collectors, but for those of us who arent able to have one, that'd be a cool project that would DEF be useful!
Do that for all the bins, connect those lights to a center panel you place at say, main lights witch so at a glance you can see if anything is full/needs replacing
@@keepingjohnbusy BRILLIANT!
"meighan made me paint it" - that's awesome
I get wanting there to be a longer completely flat feed surface, but it won't get rid of snipe. Snipe is because the planer crushes the board with rollers, one each on either side of the cutter head. This presses the board against the surface just under the cutter head. This is why you need a sled if you're trying to joint boards on your planer. The snipe you get at the end of your board is because at the end of the cut the board is under just the cutter head and the outfeed roller. The sudden unequal pressure change when the board comes free from the infeed roller causes it to rock up ever so slightly under the pressure of the outfeed roller. Boom. Snipe. No amount of perfect infeed and outfeed surfaces, support, etc. will fix it.
You could turn that trash can into a cyclone dust collector. That way all the chips stay in the trash can and don't blow all around on the inside of the cabinet (and into your shop if the door blows open).
How much of the waste that comes out of a planer or a jointer is the really fine particles, though? I would keep the air flow and just put an extra air filter on the exhaust if I did any modifications
I don't think it'll be worth it given how much you'll lose in terms of chip capacity. Also since fine dust isn't much of an issue for the planer.
@@hansangbi recently built a cart with this style dust collection and i needed the cyclone air movement just so the large chips stayed in the can. Otherwise the chips just seem to bounce out of the can and landed inside the box. And any chips that settled in the can would be agitated back into the air when the planer is turned on. My solution was to use the cans lid with pvc elbow to replicate the tickler 10 gallon can separator.
@@anthonydiberardino9548 Yeah, I can see that. I was wondering how one would stop blowing of the chips. Cyclone would be a great solution but again, don't know if it's worth the loss of capacity (height wise)
@@hansangbso the height that it takes up is a little bit larger than the height of the lid. I cut two holes in the lid and used the smallest 2” elbow cause i used 2 in pvc over the 3in. And put the elbows inside the lid pointing clockwise. So I’m using a 20 gallon trash can when height wise a 32 gallon would fit. But with the 32gallon can i couldnt get any of the chips to stay in or come up with any thing that was thin enough to fit.
I found a t shirt makes a great filter for the top of the trash can. Stretch the bottom of the shirt to fit the top of the can, zip tie the hose into a sleeve, and zip tie the other sleeve and neck shut. Chips go in the can and the air is filtered through the shirt. Not HEPA grade, but collects the mess.
Thanks to you I tried your idea and it works perfectly! I used an old T-shirt and secured it with a cargo strap, then I used zip ties to secure the sleeves, and 2 zip ties to secure the head to the hose. Amazing! I built the cart and THEN learned the dust collection was deeply flawed. Then I came here to read everyone's comments hoping to get some ideas on solution. Thanks a million! I made a video about it and it will be coming out soon on my TH-cam Channel. Make sure to watch because I will give you credit.
Glad I could help. I don't remember where I got the idea, but I'm sure it was someone else on TH-cam. Keep an eye on the t shirt, it likes to fly off the can every now and then.
I too scrounge TH-cam for ideas for months, as I spend a lot of time in hotel rooms working out of town, before I do a project.@@DudeSawdust
I really wanted to see the dust storm inside that box.
Same. I am not sure how big the chips are coming from the planer but I have a feeling that there is going to be a lot outside of the can. Might need a lid or something with the filter to keep them contained, but still better than nothing.
I would have guessed one would need to have a lid for the can, cut a hole in said lid, then attach hose to it.
Though, im not sure off hand if the tool would produce enough air to just blow the lid off.
I've built a similar container for mine. It's a huge mess everytime I've had to empty it.
I just finished building a pretty close version of this planer stand, and after testing it out, all the chips landed outside of the can. lol.
Cool idea! I really like the subtle design in the paint. Helps break up the color a bit. Also, great idea to have the dust collection separate from a dedicated system. That's really nice for those of us who don't have dedicated systems.
Great video, however I would have liked to see the planer actually working with the dust collection box and also see the inside after some heavy use. Good concept but not worth the expense without more info on final results. Perhaps a follow-up video after you have used it for awhile.
One of the cyclone type lids for garbage can dust collection may help with the chips staying in the can. It would at least not blow the exhaust air right at the bottom pushing chips out of the thing. I'd lose the goofy fins inside the original fitting that are supposed to keep larger chips from being blown out, (like you want them to get caught and block the opening?)
Yeah, I was typing a similar idea but saw your comment. So, I just made a silly Back to the Future quote🤷♂
I tried that… the fan on that Dewalt is so strong that it blasted the lid off the can an into my neighbors yard
The fins are in the outlet to keep fingers out, not bigger chips in. That fan is spinning at ~10k rpm, it is plastic, but it would still chew up fingers.
I have my DW735 blowing into a Thien separator to collect the chips. Works great. There looks to be enough room that bob and crew could build one right into the cart.
I really like this style of editing where the like bloopers after included in the actual video.
Makes it feel more like a group of friends just hanging in the shop building stuff!
We're a pretty fun group
I just had 4 different men ask me if I needed help as I stood in Lowe’s plumbing aisle as I tried to figure out which pieces of pvc pipe I needed for this! 😂
You can also do what I did to my Dewalt planer, and that is replace the knife cutter head with a helical cutter head. It's definitely worth it in terms of dust collection because it makes much smaller chips and it does make a nice finish on your boards.
The one major flaw I know of on this planer is the amount of horsepower it has. Figure out a way to improve that if you can
Heavy tools are the worst! I've picked up a couple of ideas for my shop already 😉
The quiet Wilhelm scream 😂
Woah... I made it into a ILTMS video. Achievement unlocked!
Looks great! Only one last problem not solved....being able to afford the planer.
Lots of projects to sell at stupid prices, using cheaper tools, then you can afford the big toys.
Guess I’m pretty lucky with mine, I just stick the hose out the back yard window. Now as far as lifting that 90 lb unit all by yourself when it is clear other folks were around to help ……..well not your best decision. I seem to recall when Jimmy and Dave visited you were in back pain. Duh
Just a hint for people who may be thinking about replicating this at home. A 4" street 90 deg (Flair one side no flair on the other) fits perfectly into that exhaust on the planer so you don't have to 3d print the adapter.
Good to know!
Nice!! Wish I'd known that earlier :)
@@Iliketomakestuff I got it thinking I'd do similar to you and print a bushing and use the slip end for my DC hose. Got lucky and it fit the other way around.
I wish that port on the planer was more robust. I've broken two, just from extra stress on it with that 90 degree piece acting like a lever.
Thank, I was hoping someone had an alternative idea on that.
One of the problems I have with my Dewalt planer is it creates so much static in the plastic parts. Any ideas on how to release that static energy? It makes the dust stick to everything
My shopfox planer does that too. Thought it was the shop vac but it does seem worse with the planer
I've seen someone buy a cheap length of chain from the home center and drape it from one of the posts to the floor - he claims it helped (I don't have personal experience). My shop-vac and sander tend to create a lot of static and I found leaning a long cheap metal f-style clamp from the floor up to the hose helped.
My DeWalt does the same thing when I am running it. Only 20% humidity here in Wyoming. I get shocked all the time.
Anthony you are tall and strong. As child you must drink lots of milk.
Good build Bob
You really need to spend a few hours with it and test. Trust me. Dry lube the screws that raise it up (raise it all the way up to max, lube it) lower it down. Do it again, up down. Then raise beds on the OUTSIDE all the way up. The inner part that goes to the main bed - have that lip be even. Use a flashlight to see.
The main issue with the 735, other planers that use a roller system - you have two rollers like this O_O , the Os are the roller, the _ is the bed. When wood goes in, it presses it down flat. When it comes out of the LAST ROLLER, any weight on front of wood will angle it UP and you’ll hear that bzzzzzzt on last 2” for snipe.
Use sleds if any cup or bow twist is present. Ditch the hot glue. Just use shims and some cheap masking tape (it’s only on for a few anyway).
Feed at an angle. So 13” I’ll feed wood in at a slant like / vs straight in - that will help with blade wear. I have the 3 blade and it’s been fine. I’ve done a few pallets of walnut so far and other than some very fine lines that can be sanded out, been great.
Unless you have super burly curly wood with crazy grain going everywhere, the dimensioning setting is fine. I only use the fine setting if I’m moving to finish sanding.
Feed every piece twice. Forward backwards. When you flip, do again. Trust me.
Don’t bother building fancy tables to outfeed too. Simply just feed it, when it’s almost halfway, go to outfeed and supper piece as it comes out. Not lifting, not letting down, just keep it as it is, maybe a tiny bit of upwards force.
Also, if you bought this, then use it. Put it on a stand with caster stands that can stabilize it. Working on the ground is STUPID. You’ll hurt your back and it’s just bad practice. Figure out a solution and implement it.
Not that I’ve tested 100s of board feet learning this before I did my first planing on some walnut. No sir, not at all. 😅
Changing over to Shelix makes the noise less and the quality better.
That super quick and subtle LinusTechTips reference.
How about WD40 on the wheels
An actual early release. Yey
How did the chip collection perform? My guess is that it was not what you expected since that was left out of the video. Successful or not, that was the part I was looking forward to seeing.
It definitely helps! Maybe we'll show some this week on Instagram. I mean, it's a round can in a squarish space, so not all of it makes it in for sure, but it's easy to clean out what's in the can
I agree with some of the other commenters to just use a dust collection bag. I have the same planer sitting on a cart with the bag hanging underneath with flex hose in between. I imagine the inside of your cabinet will be a huge mess after using it a few times & need to be swept out periodically vs just disconnecting a bag & dumping it.
Linus Drop Tips.
Love this idea! I’ve been looking for a practical way to improve my chip collection without bogging down the shop vac.
Step 1: cut a hole in the box...
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Feel like you'll be emptying that can after 2-3 boards, otherwise this is a great idea :D
Maybe if you're taking 1/2" off of 16' boards.
I laughed embarrassingly loud about the painting thing 😂
I have a different thicknesser, a Makita, and my biggest problems are with snipe and feed issues, looks like I will be buying a piece of melamine...
G'day from Australia, I have a Sherwood planer/thicknesser with a spiral cutter head and it is much quieter when being used as compared to the DeWalt with the straight knifes. I know the place I bought my Sherwood from sells a OEM spiral cutter head replacement for the DeWalt. Thought this might be a way to make it a bit quieter but I could be wrong.
Don't center it... Use a thein baffle... works very very well for me.
Homer Bucket and duststopper top for me, but... it fills up after 6 passes, so larger can is good.
Or you could just buy a 15" 3 HP helical cutterhead planer and not have ANY of these problems. Yes, a little more money,but no compromises. Just Sayin
hmmm... i'm a bit sceptic about the dust collection. If the blower of the planer can blow that hard, i'm not sure why the dust collection wouldn't make a dust storm in there ;-) I think a dust vortex/cyclone filter would be better for the collection ;-)
but a good video once again!
oh it's absolutely a storm, but all dust settles... mostly in the can :)
Im at 4:28 wondering why you designed your box to trash can height rather than the height you would want to feed your machine? How does the air escape box? What keeps it in the trash can rather than all over the inside of box? Please tell me these questions get answered before you fire it up. I feel like I'm watching Wranglerstar split wood here. Edit.....hello Wranglerstar, lol, I look forward to your next video where you add a lid to your trash can and a filter to the lid. Nice try..!! I'm laughing because I've done the same thing on a more massive scale with my entire house by accident. I built a cabinet to roll in front of my attic door when it's opened. The idea being...open the door its a pantry, roll the pantry to the side and its an attic. Sounds easy enough to build, was easy to build, but then I turned on my whole house fan on and ran it all summer. The problem became a negative pressure house and a positive pressure attic. The whole house fan drew air from under the door, the air inside of the cabinet causing negative pressure in the cabinet, and pushed air into the back of the cabinet from the attic side, that the cabinet full of my towels became a dust collector and filled up with attic lint. I had three newly built and freshly painted shelves each become holders for giant 20b fiberglass lint balls that used to be my towel sets. It was just fiberglass, dust, attic crud, feathers, turned into giant fuzz balls and densely packed from humidity. I had a box full of Rockwool. So anyway, you need a lid for your trash can and a filter for your can.
Maybe get a dw735 dust port from etsy, which collect 98% of the dust as well as hose will be attack to the top and don't need a fancy box. If you have a 3d printer you can make one yourself
one of the problems I have with this dewalt planer, is I get sniping when the infeed and outfeed tables are completly flat! I have made my tables HIGER so the rollers force the board down as it comes in and goes out, and I no longer have sniping...great ideas!!
thanks!
I mean, my use case is pretty light duty, but the only problem I have with mine is the noise. But then, mine is in a permanent location, and I have very good dust collection. But damn, that thing is LOUD!!!!
Those casters are probably the right choice. Regular locking casters don't work too well on angled garage floors.
Thanks for this. I have the same planer and needed something. This gave me great ideas for my own set up!
I'm so glad!
There's that word again. "Heavy." Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull? 😉
The planer manual says don't operate it without a dust collector connected... Have you had any problems with chips clogging the machine?
Lift with your KNEE not with your back. Your knee have easy fix, your back don't
I was for sure thinking that you would build a bucket cyklone inside the cabinet. That would prevent much mure dust and chips from landing outside the bucket
The cabinet will be filled with chips and dust. Might as well remove the dust can. Put a thien bafffel on the dust can and you'll have 95% success.
Pretty neat build, have this planer but my dust collection with cyclone handles it no problem and I suspend my collection from the roof. The cost of the plywood for this build these days plus the 60 dollar casters make this thing half the cost of the planer lol but I'm think about taking that melamine idea but building small torsion boxes on either side of the bed
I have had ENOUGH of your LOUD MUSIC , so I am no watching your video at 3:50 min.
I opted to put mine on a fliptop table with my rigid spindle/belt benchtop sander on the opposite size. Don't remember where I got the plans but it has a drawer on the bottom to put the infeed and outfeed tables, extra blades, and all the accessories for the sander that you can no longer put in their usual spots....because they don't stay upside down. As for dust collection, I haven't dealt with it. I connect to my dust collector and have gotten good at remembering to turn the dust collector on first or it blows the top off of the dust deputy. I also have a pretty big wing span so most of the time I can reach over an lift up the hose without much of a problem.
I want to build what you did. Questtions: Did the chips stay in the can? How long before the air filter became clogged???
That lifting technique is so bad... I was legit afraid you'd slip a lumbar disc. *cringe*