Scottish access rights AKA the right to roam, is for people on foot with tents, it does not cover motor vehicles. They're covered under the The Road Traffic Act 1988 which states that you can't park your vehicle overnight without landowners permission either verbal or by signage.
Spot on! and an important point that appears to cause much confusion, though I do feel many who have adopted what, as you point out, is a legal term meaning something quite different, have done so for their own convenience!
@@HermanHitstheRoadbefore anyone else nicks the idea I might set up a channel called "Wild off grid urban extreme motorhome adventures!"......I'll get my coat
Camping is an activity ( tables out BBQ sun canopy.) Park up is as described. Have a sleep have some food read a book watch some TV, all in your vehicle. HGVs do not wild camp they park up and do as described without issue. Keep it simples Stu (KISS)
It's not just that though, @pjgwiltshire. Some folks think they can "park up" anywhere they like and that the wild camping rights regard them too regardless of whether they are in Scotland or England etc
Done the QR thing. The use of ‘wild camping’ does annoy me. I tend to say overnighting as in ‘we overnighted on Tesco car park before getting the ferry in the morning.’
How about sleepover parking . Maybe to long . We love how it works in parts of Europe , particularly France , They actually welcome campers and the Business that it brings .
Interesting! I'm in NZ which has strict 'freedom camping' regulations. They were introduced because NZ trended on social media as a place that had no rules! so people camped 'anywhere' they liked and sometimes pooped where they liked too. Communities protested and regulations were introduced & last year, they were changed again. Vehicles now must be fitted with a permanently fixed toilet, which must be externally vented & there must be fresh and grey water tanks, sufficient to hold 3L per person x 3 days.
PS I agree, sleeping in a vehicle is not wild camping at all. And to me (old school), "camping" is sleeping in something made of fabric - tent, hammock, bivouac.... not a vehicle! In NZ we have PoP's (Park Over Property) and "Stay for Free" locations, that are usually privately owned sites offering a pitch for no or a minimal payment.
Thanks for commenting, @elaineclark7508. Some great info there. I'm starting to think that "freedom camping" is wrong term to use over here. It can give the wrong impression that you can do whatever you like and by your comment I'm correct.
I believe "wild camping" is used to describe stopping in a location other than a campsite etc in the same way that people describe all vacuum cleaners as "hoovers" or all ball point pens as "biros". There was a time when all cameras were referred to as "kodaks".
You could be right, @RogersRamblings but some people think the Scottish right to roam laws and therefore the wild camping rules relate to staying in their motorhome overnight regardless of whether they are in Scotland or somewhere else.
Hello " off grid" is what we say. We are full timers and tend to stay for a limited time In one place, sadly many don't. Dawlish Warren tried to let people stay overnight, and found a free loading enclave appear, so cancelled the plan. We used to park at portland up by the prison which had the bylaws on display, ( no overnight camping ) though we were never asked to leave, they eventually allowed motohomes to park there. If a sigh states the bylaws then the Council can take action, though it's very unlikely especially if you are there for a night or so. The police can ask you to move if they feel you are parked in an un safe place for yourself or others. France and Spain are much easier to park basically because the police have the power and WILL move you on if necessary.
@@HermanHitstheRoad we left a certain organisation because as we don't need a hookup they still would charge the whole amount even when not needing electricity. So much for going green .
I think it is more important how people behave while they are doing it rather than what it is called. If people behave well and leave no trace, they can call it whatever they like as far as I am concerned. Wild camping may be strictly defined in Scottish Law (and in the Dartmoor bylaws) but that does not give them exclusive rights to the terminology.
That's right, @davidbewick6885 but folks do use the term "wild camping" and think they have the right - like you said. I've just found out the official term is Freedom Camping
Sweden we often say Fri Kamping, with fri meaning unconnected/unsupported. Would cause mayhem in English as it doesn’t mean unpaid(parking fees can apply). Off grid is close
Hi Adds, sorry this is a long one but as I served as a County Councillor up here in Co. Durham with lots of routes to things like the Appleby Fair, parking on verges and in lay-bys was quite a contentious issue. Let's start with facts in England, agree with it or not, Camping overnight not on an official site is illegal. Many Councils have Gypsy, Roma and Traveller departments. If they get a complaint, someone will come knocking and be prepared to stand infront of a magistrate to get you moved. If I remember right, the fine can be up to around £2500 and your vehicle taken. The clean up of lay-by rubbish costs 10's of thousands of pounds every year. For me it's name is Freeloading and I know that's controversial but I've seen many times campers and Travellers hogging lay-bys where truck drivers who need to take legally enforced breakes are unable to park up. It doesn't have to be expensive to stay in a permitted place. I agree there can and should be more park ups but till they happen and the community lobbies for them, the rules are the rules. As it stands, the camper and motorhome community are giving themselves a bad name so the resentment is only going to increase from Councillors who vote to make the rules and most of them don't get travelling in a camper, motorhome or caravan. Sorry Adds but I know there are likely going to be some backlash and it's unfortunate but it's how it is in Council Chambers .
How would drivers rest on long drive if it is illegal? I get that camping is (bring chairs out and so on) but resting is not camping. I have lots of times turned into parking lot then felt tired and slept to continue journey safely but now your telling me that safe driving is getting my car taken.
@@lauriviik that is a very interesting question as to what is camping and where resting becomes camping. Maybe it's one for Daniel - @blackbeltbarrister to discuss and help out with.
With respect 😄 I wonder why your intimating that it’s motorhomers & campervanners that are leaving mess in lay-bys? 🤔 and where is the evidence? This is just not true of the majority, in fact and I have seen it with my own eyes, it’s mainly car drivers that leave rubbish & chuck it out of the window. Campervans/mohos don’t tend to be able to get under height barriers for fast food drive thrus - which is what you see mostly dumped in lay-bys! Most campers are self contained units, that have their own bins etc on board & you will also find that most are infact nature lovers & that is why we like to be out in nature & therefore respect our surroundings and that of the wildlife habitats. 😁You are making generalisations here & tbh I find it quite insulting to the vast majority of people who wild camp/free camp. 😊 Not here to start an argument, but wanted to put you right on “your” perception of campervanners. As I think you have the lines blurred! Btw the fines are only given if you refuse to move on & again, most campers would move on if asked to. The council are only concerned about encampments & not a single campervan enjoying a beauty spot respectfully for a night 😁 Have a look at what rubbish is in your lay-by, you will find most of it, is from locals fly-tipping on their own doorsteps as they’re too bone idle to take it to the tip. 😡 Car drivers who Chuck out their fast food wrappers & dare I say it a “minority” of lorry drivers who discard of their pee bottles. Of course there are some bad apples, like in all walks of life, but the majority of us, are responsible & respectful to our surroundings. I think to call us “freeloaders” is very unfair, often their are no campsites open in areas we want to explore. Just my opinion on the subject. Em 😃
@vansforthememories I'm not disputing your argument but you have to see public perception rather than the reality. I'm trying to put over what the man in the street has in the past picked up the phone and complained about personally to me as an elected member of a county council. And please don't say I am or we are against campervans or motorhomes as we have a large number of friends, followers and subscribers who have those leisure vehicles.
I just refer to it as Off grid Camping. As I have Wild Camped, and you do see some disparaging comments online from Wild Campers when someone says that they are wild camping in a Van or Motorhome. We have stayed in a few overnight spots in England, in Northumberland. as they currently have three places. Bamburgh Castle, Beadnel Bay and Amble. There is also one in Berwick Upon Tweed or was at Spittal. which was covered a few years ago by another Channel. Not sure if it survived the Councils trails. I didn't show up last year on there booking system which you have to use to book and pay for your stay. Only Beadnel had Toilets and you can't get rid of any waste there either. They had reduced the number of bays at Beadnel to give you a bit more room between each bay as the other two are very cosy with Vans or Motorhomes being very close together.
@@HermanHitstheRoad That is true. Instead you could call that hookup free camping. Which is what we do on campsite as it is much quieter as most people want a hookup these day so that can take the kettle and toaster from home, not forgetting their TV. We have only ever taken camping gear when using a tent. We don’t even have a TV in Nessa. I converted the TV cupboard into a pull out food cupboard complete with turntables that the TV would have been mounted to.
@@HermanHitstheRoad lol. Why does 'Freedom Camping' sound like liberated people camping in their birthday suit? Almost like a political statement like the radical feminist free the nipple campaign. Smh.
a lot of people use the term stealth camping when parked up although im not sure whether the smoke or noise of a diesel heater or the smell of someone cooking bacon is really that stealthy i personally would look at is as im staying a few days off the grid but as part of that i would turn my phone off and escape from the mad world in which we now live where everything is done via an app or is 24/7 connected to what going on in the world
Thanks for commenting, @grahamunderwood9353. Couldn't "off-grid" also mean staying at a campsite though because we sometimes prefer not to use EHU on a campsite?
Totally agree the term 'Wild camping" is wrong... But then again I'm a grumpy old man and I assume the majority of people who agree are probably also grumpy old men 😂. Off grid is probably the best option but that isn't really right either as it usually means a static structure which doesn't connect to the mains power or water etc.
Tricky one this, if you call it “Freecamping” it seems to have a negative connotation, like “Freeloading” Where is wild camping, most people know what you mean by it. Off Gridding, you can do on a campsite these days too, so all 3 don’t accurately describe it. 😊 🤷♀️ Em 💜
Could not agree more. It's "off grid" at best. We have loos, showers, heating, electricity etc, nothing wild about that. Yes we have done off grid nights, happy doing them. I'm and explorer scout leader and bushcraft instructor ... wild camping is in a tent or under a tarp with no facilities. Not taking anything away from off grid nights in a van, there are some fantastic spots, but let's not make it sound like a hardship.
Ye read what it says from Scottish Law which isn't law in England, unless im wrong on that, but if im parked in my van in the open air then I call it and will always call it "wild camping"...
@@HermanHitstheRoad So your video only applies to Scotland then LOL, maybe should’ve made that clear to some people, still worth knowing if you go to Scotland though which I will be so thanks for that..🤙👍🏻🤙
The problem is people think the Scottish right to roam laws and therefore the wild camping rules relate to staying in their motorhome overnight regardless of whether they are in Scotland or anywhere else. It's a Scottish set of laws but some people think it's for the whole of the UK
As you mentioned our 'Freedom Camping', you may not be aware in New Zealand, that Laws were passed and became affective in July 2023, which defines what sort of vehicle is allowed to 'Freedom Camp' and become fully 'certified self-contained' (lasts 4 years), the main item being 'a fully plumbed in toilet' otherwise you have to be in a campsite. Time will tell how this affects people, but was brought about solely because of the 'behaviour of tourists using a vehicle to camp', buy an old car sling in mattress & porta-potty... this is no longer allowed and you are directed to motor-camp sites. Regional districts also ban and heavily fine 'Freedom Camping' sometimes. So whatever you call it, really does NOT matter, as it is how it is policed and enforced, that becomes the main problem (National Laws & District Rules and Local Signage). Good luck and stay safe. Kia Ora from New Zealand. 💜💜 NB: "From December 7, 2024, all rental vehicles certified as self-contained will need to have a fixed or plumbed-in toilet and a green warrant. After that date, only vehicles with fixed toilets and green warrants will be eligible to freedom camp, unless otherwise stated by local council bylaws.9 Jan 2024." & "selfcontained.co.nz/pages/self-containment-standards" 17 Toilet specifications (1) In order to meet the requirement for self-containment relating to toilets in regulation 13(b), a motor vehicle must have toilets that- (a) are fit for purpose; and (b) are fixed to the motor vehicle with the base of the toilet rigidly mounted in position and do not require removal in order to empty human waste; and (c) drain or flush directly into- (i) a suitably designed and fitted blackwater tank; or (ii) a removable blackwater holding tank. (2) In this regulation, a removable blackwater holding tank means,- (a) if the toilet is a cassette-type toilet, a removable cassette: (b) if the toilet is a waterless toilet, a removable chamber. REF: www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2023/0217/latest/whole.html#LMS881778
You should have said right at the beginning of your comment that this was the new New Zealand law as people reading your comment will think that you're talking about the UK. Hence the question "does this extend beyond NZ" 🤔🤔🤔🤣
The same “it’s true here (Scotland), so it’s true everywhere” mentality at play, as with the hunt for a new name. Clearly apparent in how many times the “I’ve just discovered the official name” comments have been posted following this NZ revelation 🫣😂🤣
I have never liked the term "Wild Camping" as it is not wild in any way. I tend to use "off-grid camping" but I am quite like liking the term "O2ing" - for 'Off-Grid Overnighting' :)
I’m going with boondocking 👍👍 Just to point out that the Road Traffic Act provides provision for vehicles to stop by the roadside for the driver to rest, it must be safe to do so, not on private land or obstruct other road users . You cannot use your outdoor chairs, tables or ramps etc while doing so.
@@HermanHitstheRoad it means that you explained the Scottish law clearly. And that you explained how the term ‘wild camping’ is used in relation to that law (in Scotland). … beyond that context, whether you feel the term is used ‘appropriately’ is purely opinion. Which of course you are entitled to.
I see. Thanks for explaining. However, some people use the term wild camping and the right to roam laws that comes with it to justify parking somewhere illegal in Scotland or anywhere else in the UK. THAT'S why I made the video
@@HermanHitstheRoad IMHO it’s “some people” that is the key point. You can pick any one of several dozen topics relating to camping, camper vanning, motorhoming, vehiclular life etc etc, and the behaviours of “some people” will no doubt be a point of contention for the wider community.
Yes, I think it does, @russellnewton6660 because people think the Scottish right to roam laws and therefore the wild camping rules relate to staying in their motorhome overnight regardless of whether they are in Scotland or somewhere else.
@@HermanHitstheRoad TH-cam has a subtitles button! if you want \ need them the option is there, This forced one word at a time thing is so distracting and annoying.
Usually I have no problem with your videos, this time you are incorrect. As long as thre are no legally posted parking restrictions and you are not causing an obstruction you can sleep in a vehicle.
@HermanHitstheRoad From the highway code, the last paragraph is the most relevant. Rule 91 Driving when you are tired greatly increases your risk of collision. To minimise this risk make sure you are fit to drive. Do not begin a journey if you are tired. Get sufficient sleep before embarking on a long journey avoid undertaking long journeys between midnight and 6 am, when natural alertness is at a minimum plan your journey to take sufficient breaks. A minimum break of at least 15 minutes after every two hours of driving is recommended if you feel sleepy, stop in a safe place. Do not stop in an emergency area or on a hard shoulder of a motorway (see Rule 262 for guidance on places to take a break when travelling on motorways)
I got the sense that you were relishing delivering the confirmation that what thousands of people are doing is illegal..... Rather than simply looking for a new term for the activity.
Local authorities should provide AIRES like in France, Germany etc with fresh water and black and grey water emptying facilities. I have both brit/belgian nationalities. Local mayors have realised that its an investment for the good and benefit of local business owners, bringing much needed money into the community. Finally the Spanish, where i live now are doing the same. Campsites are for caravans not fully autonomous motorhomes. I have panels and 2 leisure batteries, never need a hookup to mains. Why spend 100k on a motorhome to pay for a campsite always. In the uk it appears that Romanies are better treated. My wife says, why dont you want to visit your home town of Plymouth and tour around, id love to see it. I refuse because of all the hassle. Bit of a rant i know, sorry! Fyi were touring Morocco atm where the welcome is wonderful, yes we are source of income to them
Silly people using the word wild , camping in a field with your tent is camping without site facilities!! Making a shelter from branches twigs leaves ext is wild camping. Swimming in a lake is swimming in a lake,simple!! Stop using wild word
I should have waited until the end. I'm so disappointed you used this to boost your TH-cam income. That survey is total BS, even in Scotland sleeping in a vehicle isn't illegal. EU drivers hours state a HGV driver cannot drive for more than 9 hours each day extended to 10 hours twice a week. That being the case it isn't illegal to sleep in a vehicle in the United Kingdom.
LOL Boost my YT income? 🤣🤣🤣 If you call £10 a boost in income 🤣🤣. Anyway, @pdxxtqhf it is illegal to sleep in your van overnight unless you have permission by the landowner
How about FREE LOADING, accurate desciptions are better than misleading and misunderstood ones in my opinion. By the way I'm trying to be funny or nasty but it should be whar it says on tin. I applaud you for trying to change this much used inaccurate terminology
I think this comment is uncalled for. Ads is just trying to clarify the term and laws in the UK 🇬🇧. We have four countries over here with different laws. He should be given respect for taking the time to try and sort out the laws so that us Motorhomers stay on the right side of the law.
Scottish access rights AKA the right to roam, is for people on foot with tents,
it does not cover motor vehicles. They're covered under the The Road Traffic Act
1988 which states that you can't park your vehicle overnight without landowners
permission either verbal or by signage.
Thanks for the confirmation, @gsnmeyer 👍👍
Always nice to see and listen to some common sense directed at most who go camping, regardless the mode of transport.
Thanks @tstuart7333 👍👍
Thanks for this. Clear & concise & will hopefully correct some of the misinformation out there.
Thanks @junehall2177 👍👍
What about 'dogging' as most van owners have dogs😂.
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Now mopping up the coffee I just spat out! 🤣
Spot on! and an important point that appears to cause much confusion, though I do feel many who have adopted what, as you point out, is a legal term meaning something quite different, have done so for their own convenience!
Thanks @nickwotherspoon8768 👍👍 you're probably right
Off Gridding x
Thanks for commenting, @CraftyCampervanners but you can off grid on a campsite, like we did at HermanFest
@@HermanHitstheRoadbefore anyone else nicks the idea I might set up a channel called "Wild off grid urban extreme motorhome adventures!"......I'll get my coat
Camping is an activity ( tables out BBQ sun canopy.) Park up is as described. Have a sleep have some food read a book watch some TV, all in your vehicle. HGVs do not wild camp they park up and do as described without issue. Keep it simples Stu (KISS)
It's not just that though, @pjgwiltshire. Some folks think they can "park up" anywhere they like and that the wild camping rights regard them too regardless of whether they are in Scotland or England etc
Done the QR thing.
The use of ‘wild camping’ does annoy me. I tend to say overnighting as in ‘we overnighted on Tesco car park before getting the ferry in the morning.’
Thanks @philipellis7039 👍👍
Well done for speaking common sense.
Thanks @paulsimpson3465 👍👍
I tend to use the term off grid camping but as you say it isn’t really camping. Looking forward to hearing the results of the survey. Take care Gill
Thanks for commenting, @Wheres_wanda_wandering but that could mean camping at a campsite without EHU!!
How about sleepover parking . Maybe to long . We love how it works in parts of Europe , particularly France , They actually welcome campers and the Business that it brings .
Thanks for commenting, @johnstenning3062. I've just found out that it's officially called Freedom Camping
Interesting! I'm in NZ which has strict 'freedom camping' regulations. They were introduced because NZ trended on social media as a place that had no rules! so people camped 'anywhere' they liked and sometimes pooped where they liked too. Communities protested and regulations were introduced & last year, they were changed again. Vehicles now must be fitted with a permanently fixed toilet, which must be externally vented & there must be fresh and grey water tanks, sufficient to hold 3L per person x 3 days.
PS I agree, sleeping in a vehicle is not wild camping at all. And to me (old school), "camping" is sleeping in something made of fabric - tent, hammock, bivouac.... not a vehicle!
In NZ we have PoP's (Park Over Property) and "Stay for Free" locations, that are usually privately owned sites offering a pitch for no or a minimal payment.
Thanks for commenting, @elaineclark7508. Some great info there. I'm starting to think that "freedom camping" is wrong term to use over here. It can give the wrong impression that you can do whatever you like and by your comment I'm correct.
Yeah I agree a different term should be used. If you can’t take your shelter to the top of scafell Pike it’s not wild camping.
Thanks for commenting, @peterjessop1878. I've just found out that the official term is Freedom Camping
I believe "wild camping" is used to describe stopping in a location other than a campsite etc in the same way that people describe all vacuum cleaners as "hoovers" or all ball point pens as "biros". There was a time when all cameras were referred to as "kodaks".
You could be right, @RogersRamblings but some people think the Scottish right to roam laws and therefore the wild camping rules relate to staying in their motorhome overnight regardless of whether they are in Scotland or somewhere else.
@@HermanHitstheRoadSadly there are always those who refuse to educate themselves.
What about 'overnighting'? Does it have to mention van or vehicle or camper?
Thanks for commenting, @alanbutterworth4219 👍👍
Hello " off grid" is what we say. We are full timers and tend to stay for a limited time In one place, sadly many don't. Dawlish Warren tried to let people stay overnight, and found a free loading enclave appear, so cancelled the plan.
We used to park at portland up by the prison which had the bylaws on display, ( no overnight camping ) though we were never asked to leave, they eventually allowed motohomes to park there.
If a sigh states the bylaws then the Council can take action, though it's very unlikely especially if you are there for a night or so. The police can ask you to move if they feel you are parked in an un safe place for yourself or others.
France and Spain are much easier to park basically because the police have the power and WILL move you on if necessary.
Thanks for the info, @mpjkea2000 but you can go "off-grid" at a campsite, we regularly do.
@@HermanHitstheRoad we left a certain organisation because as we don't need a hookup they still would charge the whole amount even when not needing electricity. So much for going green .
I think it is more important how people behave while they are doing it rather than what it is called. If people behave well and leave no trace, they can call it whatever they like as far as I am concerned. Wild camping may be strictly defined in Scottish Law (and in the Dartmoor bylaws) but that does not give them exclusive rights to the terminology.
That's right, @davidbewick6885 but folks do use the term "wild camping" and think they have the right - like you said. I've just found out the official term is Freedom Camping
The problem with 'freedom camping' is that it is misinterpreted and sadly, not many people 'leave no trace'.
We normally say were of grid lol
Thanks @TrishasMotorhomeMadness. However, we stayed off-grid at a campsite recently. So, I'm not sure it's a good term
@@HermanHitstheRoad yeah maybe 🤔😂
good blog as always
Thank you so much, 😊 @stansnape3634
Sweden we often say Fri Kamping, with fri meaning unconnected/unsupported. Would cause mayhem in English as it doesn’t mean unpaid(parking fees can apply).
Off grid is close
Thanks @toppkaffe527 but you can also go off-grid at a campsite
Hi Adds, sorry this is a long one but as I served as a County Councillor up here in Co. Durham with lots of routes to things like the Appleby Fair, parking on verges and in lay-bys was quite a contentious issue. Let's start with facts in England, agree with it or not, Camping overnight not on an official site is illegal. Many Councils have Gypsy, Roma and Traveller departments. If they get a complaint, someone will come knocking and be prepared to stand infront of a magistrate to get you moved. If I remember right, the fine can be up to around £2500 and your vehicle taken. The clean up of lay-by rubbish costs 10's of thousands of pounds every year. For me it's name is Freeloading and I know that's controversial but I've seen many times campers and Travellers hogging lay-bys where truck drivers who need to take legally enforced breakes are unable to park up. It doesn't have to be expensive to stay in a permitted place. I agree there can and should be more park ups but till they happen and the community lobbies for them, the rules are the rules. As it stands, the camper and motorhome community are giving themselves a bad name so the resentment is only going to increase from Councillors who vote to make the rules and most of them don't get travelling in a camper, motorhome or caravan. Sorry Adds but I know there are likely going to be some backlash and it's unfortunate but it's how it is in Council Chambers .
How would drivers rest on long drive if it is illegal? I get that camping is (bring chairs out and so on) but resting is not camping.
I have lots of times turned into parking lot then felt tired and slept to continue journey safely but now your telling me that safe driving is getting my car taken.
@@lauriviik that is a very interesting question as to what is camping and where resting becomes camping. Maybe it's one for Daniel - @blackbeltbarrister to discuss and help out with.
With respect 😄 I wonder why your intimating that it’s motorhomers & campervanners that are leaving mess in lay-bys? 🤔 and where is the evidence? This is just not true of the majority, in fact and I have seen it with my own eyes, it’s mainly car drivers that leave rubbish & chuck it out of the window. Campervans/mohos don’t tend to be able to get under height barriers for fast food drive thrus - which is what you see mostly dumped in lay-bys! Most campers are self contained units, that have their own bins etc on board & you will also find that most are infact nature lovers & that is why we like to be out in nature & therefore respect our surroundings and that of the wildlife habitats. 😁You are making generalisations here & tbh I find it quite insulting to the vast majority of people who wild camp/free camp. 😊 Not here to start an argument, but wanted to put you right on “your” perception of campervanners. As I think you have the lines blurred! Btw the fines are only given if you refuse to move on & again, most campers would move on if asked to. The council are only concerned about encampments & not a single campervan enjoying a beauty spot respectfully for a night 😁 Have a look at what rubbish is in your lay-by, you will find most of it, is from locals fly-tipping on their own doorsteps as they’re too bone idle to take it to the tip. 😡 Car drivers who Chuck out their fast food wrappers & dare I say it a “minority” of lorry drivers who discard of their pee bottles. Of course there are some bad apples, like in all walks of life, but the majority of us, are responsible & respectful to our surroundings. I think to call us “freeloaders” is very unfair, often their are no campsites open in areas we want to explore. Just my opinion on the subject. Em 😃
Thanks @Coffeevaners for the info👍👍
@vansforthememories I'm not disputing your argument but you have to see public perception rather than the reality. I'm trying to put over what the man in the street has in the past picked up the phone and complained about personally to me as an elected member of a county council. And please don't say I am or we are against campervans or motorhomes as we have a large number of friends, followers and subscribers who have those leisure vehicles.
I just refer to it as Off grid Camping. As I have Wild Camped, and you do see some disparaging comments online from Wild Campers when someone says that they are wild camping in a Van or Motorhome. We have stayed in a few overnight spots in England, in Northumberland. as they currently have three places. Bamburgh Castle, Beadnel Bay and Amble. There is also one in Berwick Upon Tweed or was at Spittal. which was covered a few years ago by another Channel. Not sure if it survived the Councils trails. I didn't show up last year on there booking system which you have to use to book and pay for your stay. Only Beadnel had Toilets and you can't get rid of any waste there either. They had reduced the number of bays at Beadnel to give you a bit more room between each bay as the other two are very cosy with Vans or Motorhomes being very close together.
Thanks for commenting, @Simon-DiggerBuckett. I'm not sure if "off grid camping" works for me because you can do this at a campsite
@@HermanHitstheRoad That is true. Instead you could call that hookup free camping. Which is what we do on campsite as it is much quieter as most people want a hookup these day so that can take the kettle and toaster from home, not forgetting their TV. We have only ever taken camping gear when using a tent. We don’t even have a TV in Nessa. I converted the TV cupboard into a pull out food cupboard complete with turntables that the TV would have been mounted to.
Imho we shouldn't need a term, where else do you see no overnighting panels except in the UK
Thanks for commenting, @pgmerovingian. I hope you enjoyed the video?
I think 'Vehicular camping' is pretty straight forward. It's what I'd call it personally.
but you can do that at a campsite, @ShadowWallace. I've just found out the official term is Freedom Camping
@@HermanHitstheRoad lol. Why does 'Freedom Camping' sound like liberated people camping in their birthday suit? Almost like a political statement like the radical feminist free the nipple campaign. Smh.
a lot of people use the term stealth camping when parked up although im not sure whether the smoke or noise of a diesel heater or the smell of someone cooking bacon is really that stealthy i personally would look at is as im staying a few days off the grid but as part of that i would turn my phone off and escape from the mad world in which we now live where everything is done via an app or is 24/7 connected to what going on in the world
Thanks for commenting, @grahamunderwood9353. Couldn't "off-grid" also mean staying at a campsite though because we sometimes prefer not to use EHU on a campsite?
true @@HermanHitstheRoad
Not keen on stealth camping, sounds like something one shouldn't be doing.
I like that!
Thanks @peterneal7160 👍👍
Off grid 😊
But that could also mean off-gridding on a campsite, @christinemarchant4678
This one time in Van Camp.
🤣🤣 LOL. Very good, @BrianM0OAB 👍👍
Totally agree the term 'Wild camping" is wrong... But then again I'm a grumpy old man and I assume the majority of people who agree are probably also grumpy old men 😂. Off grid is probably the best option but that isn't really right either as it usually means a static structure which doesn't connect to the mains power or water etc.
...and you can off-grid at a campsite, @mnsweeney1. I recently found out the official term in freedom camping
Tricky one this, if you call it “Freecamping” it seems to have a negative connotation, like “Freeloading” Where is wild camping, most people know what you mean by it. Off Gridding, you can do on a campsite these days too, so all 3 don’t accurately describe it. 😊 🤷♀️ Em 💜
Thanks for commenting, @vansforthememories. I've just found out the official term is Freedom Camping
@@HermanHitstheRoad oh really, doesn’t have the same ring to it 🤭 A wild camp spot or a freedom camping spot 🤷♀️ I know which I prefer 😂😇 Em 💜
I am from Scotland and don't refer to it as wild camping but use the term Off Grid. But i do like the idea of Freedom Camping.
Thanks for commenting, @Hendryhymer494. I've just found out the official term is Freedom Camping
Let's call it "tramping"😉👍
Thanks @74quo
Could not agree more. It's "off grid" at best. We have loos, showers, heating, electricity etc, nothing wild about that. Yes we have done off grid nights, happy doing them. I'm and explorer scout leader and bushcraft instructor ... wild camping is in a tent or under a tarp with no facilities.
Not taking anything away from off grid nights in a van, there are some fantastic spots, but let's not make it sound like a hardship.
LOL 🤣🤣 I couldn't agree more, @bc903272 however, you can off-grid on a campsite. I recently found out the official term in freedom camping
Ye read what it says from Scottish Law which isn't law in England, unless im wrong on that, but if im parked in my van in the open air then I call it and will always call it "wild camping"...
Thanks for commenting, @thenoworriesnomad1797.
@@HermanHitstheRoad So is Scottish law applicable in England?
Not as far as I know, @thenoworriesnomad1797.
@@HermanHitstheRoad So your video only applies to Scotland then LOL, maybe should’ve made that clear to some people, still worth knowing if you go to Scotland though which I will be so thanks for that..🤙👍🏻🤙
The problem is people think the Scottish right to roam laws and therefore the wild camping rules relate to staying in their motorhome overnight regardless of whether they are in Scotland or anywhere else. It's a Scottish set of laws but some people think it's for the whole of the UK
Lets just keep it simple, PARK UP. Bob
Thanks for commenting, @bob-og1ih.
"Camperniting" will that not do?
Haha 🤣 that's a good one, @georgelamb9873
As you mentioned our 'Freedom Camping', you may not be aware in New Zealand, that Laws were passed and became affective in July 2023, which defines what sort of vehicle is allowed to 'Freedom Camp' and become fully 'certified self-contained' (lasts 4 years), the main item being 'a fully plumbed in toilet' otherwise you have to be in a campsite. Time will tell how this affects people, but was brought about solely because of the 'behaviour of tourists using a vehicle to camp', buy an old car sling in mattress & porta-potty... this is no longer allowed and you are directed to motor-camp sites. Regional districts also ban and heavily fine 'Freedom Camping' sometimes. So whatever you call it, really does NOT matter, as it is how it is policed and enforced, that becomes the main problem (National Laws & District Rules and Local Signage). Good luck and stay safe. Kia Ora from New Zealand. 💜💜 NB: "From December 7, 2024, all rental vehicles certified as self-contained will need to have a fixed or plumbed-in toilet and a green warrant. After that date, only vehicles with fixed toilets and green warrants will be eligible to freedom camp, unless otherwise stated by local council bylaws.9 Jan 2024." & "selfcontained.co.nz/pages/self-containment-standards" 17 Toilet specifications
(1)
In order to meet the requirement for self-containment relating to toilets in regulation 13(b), a motor vehicle must have toilets that-
(a)
are fit for purpose; and
(b)
are fixed to the motor vehicle with the base of the toilet rigidly mounted in position and do not require removal in order to empty human waste; and
(c)
drain or flush directly into-
(i)
a suitably designed and fitted blackwater tank; or
(ii)
a removable blackwater holding tank.
(2)
In this regulation, a removable blackwater holding tank means,-
(a)
if the toilet is a cassette-type toilet, a removable cassette:
(b)
if the toilet is a waterless toilet, a removable chamber. REF: www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2023/0217/latest/whole.html#LMS881778
Thanks for the info, @XavierRadic 👍👍
Is this applicable beyond NZ?
You should have said right at the beginning of your comment that this was the new New Zealand law as people reading your comment will think that you're talking about the UK. Hence the question "does this extend beyond NZ" 🤔🤔🤔🤣
@@eddy802 Nooooooo.
The same “it’s true here (Scotland), so it’s true everywhere” mentality at play, as with the hunt for a new name.
Clearly apparent in how many times the “I’ve just discovered the official name” comments have been posted following this NZ revelation 🫣😂🤣
Off Grid Camping I would say!
But you can do that on a campsite, @peterneal7160. I've just found out the official term is Freedom Camping
I have never liked the term "Wild Camping" as it is not wild in any way. I tend to use "off-grid camping" but I am quite like liking the term "O2ing" - for 'Off-Grid Overnighting' :)
Blimey, that's confusing, @davidl1338. You can go off-grid camping at a campsite. I recently found out the official term in freedom camping
I’m going with boondocking 👍👍 Just to point out that the Road Traffic Act provides provision for vehicles to stop by the roadside for the driver to rest, it must be safe to do so, not on private land or obstruct other road users . You cannot use your outdoor chairs, tables or ramps etc while doing so.
Not another Americanism please! It's bad enough when pants are now apparently worn under pants!
Thanks for commenting, @JohnnyBurr. I don't like the name boondocking. I've just found out the official term is Freedom Camping
@@HermanHitstheRoad anything with the word “freedom” in is too woke for me 🤣🤣
What does that mean, @JohnnyBurr. "Woke" meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination"?
Woke as in like being the Batman of social consciousness, fighting crime with facts and a sense of moral justice.@@HermanHitstheRoad
Its Trossachs not ‘Trossocks’ as per the video.
You say tomato and I say tomarto 🤣🤣
Thanks for commenting, @vamboroolz1612. I hope you enjoyed the video?
Freenighting I think is a good name
Thanks for commenting, @donnysweekendvanlifetravel7854. Hmmm, I'm not sure about "Free Nighting" because the official aires aren't normally free
A clear explanation of the Scottish law, and use of the term Wild Camping in relation to that Scottish law. Otherwise just opinion…
Thanks for commenting, @eddy802 but I have no idea what that means
@@HermanHitstheRoad it means that you explained the Scottish law clearly.
And that you explained how the term ‘wild camping’ is used in relation to that law (in Scotland). …
beyond that context, whether you feel the term is used ‘appropriately’ is purely opinion. Which of course you are entitled to.
I see. Thanks for explaining. However, some people use the term wild camping and the right to roam laws that comes with it to justify parking somewhere illegal in Scotland or anywhere else in the UK. THAT'S why I made the video
@@HermanHitstheRoad IMHO it’s “some people” that is the key point. You can pick any one of several dozen topics relating to camping, camper vanning, motorhoming, vehiclular life etc etc, and the behaviours of “some people” will no doubt be a point of contention for the wider community.
Does it matter what it’s called.
Yes, I think it does, @russellnewton6660 because people think the Scottish right to roam laws and therefore the wild camping rules relate to staying in their motorhome overnight regardless of whether they are in Scotland or somewhere else.
You better come up with a name sharpish then lol.
Why subtitles? I find my self just listening not watching. Tried holding the remote in front of them but it makes my arm ache.
LOL 🤣. What's wrong with adding subtitles, @mavicsteve9275 ?. Thanks for watching. Have you done the survey?
@@HermanHitstheRoad TH-cam has a subtitles button! if you want \ need them the option is there, This forced one word at a time thing is so distracting and annoying.
Boondocking… well that doesn’t mean anything does it. So funnny. What about FREECAMP - FREEMOH
I know, @markquinn9655. Boondocking sounds like something a boat will do i.e. moor.
I've just found out that the official term is "Freedom Camping"
Overnighting
Thanks for commenting, @dorothyhart8127.
"MOBILE GLAMPING".
Thanks @Wrong-Way-Round
I call it slumming it 😂
Thanks for commenting, @markwicks9095.
Illegal?
It's a bit of a grey area but basically it's illegal if you don't have permission, @arndale1957
Usually I have no problem with your videos, this time you are incorrect. As long as thre are no legally posted parking restrictions and you are not causing an obstruction you can sleep in a vehicle.
You need the landowners permission, @pdxxtqhf
@HermanHitstheRoad only on private land. Public roads and lay-bys are acceptable, if it wasn't lorry drivers wouldn't be allowed to stop at night.
@HermanHitstheRoad From the highway code, the last paragraph is the most relevant.
Rule 91 Driving when you are tired greatly increases your risk of collision. To minimise this risk
make sure you are fit to drive. Do not begin a journey if you are tired. Get sufficient sleep before embarking on a long journey
avoid undertaking long journeys between midnight and 6 am, when natural alertness is at a minimum
plan your journey to take sufficient breaks. A minimum break of at least 15 minutes after every two hours of driving is recommended
if you feel sleepy, stop in a safe place. Do not stop in an emergency area or on a hard shoulder of a motorway (see Rule 262 for guidance on places to take a break when travelling on motorways)
I got the sense that you were relishing delivering the confirmation that what thousands of people are doing is illegal..... Rather than simply looking for a new term for the activity.
Not at all, @broadpete
Informal car parking
Thanks for commenting, @johnweightman2002.
Carcamping
Thanks @suskevirus
Free park up 🤷
But some aren't free, @laikatravels 🤣👍
Local authorities should provide AIRES like in France, Germany etc with fresh water and black and grey water emptying facilities. I have both brit/belgian nationalities. Local mayors have realised that its an investment for the good and benefit of local business owners, bringing much needed money into the community. Finally the Spanish, where i live now are doing the same. Campsites are for caravans not fully autonomous motorhomes. I have panels and 2 leisure batteries, never need a hookup to mains. Why spend 100k on a motorhome to pay for a campsite always. In the uk it appears that Romanies are better treated. My wife says, why dont you want to visit your home town of Plymouth and tour around, id love to see it. I refuse because of all the hassle. Bit of a rant i know, sorry! Fyi were touring Morocco atm where the welcome is wonderful, yes we are source of income to them
Thanks for commenting, @pgmerovingian. I hope you enjoyed the video?
No one owns the land
I'm not sure what you mean there, @sellindgeflyer. Regardless of who does or doesn't own the land you can't park your motorhome on it.
That's what people say who don't own land...
Silly people using the word wild , camping in a field with your tent is camping without site facilities!! Making a shelter from branches twigs leaves ext is wild camping. Swimming in a lake is swimming in a lake,simple!! Stop using wild word
Thanks @gregg9093 👍👍
Honestly.....who gives a s***! 😂
Thanks for commenting, @redhouse9. I hope you enjoyed the video?
I should have waited until the end. I'm so disappointed you used this to boost your TH-cam income. That survey is total BS, even in Scotland sleeping in a vehicle isn't illegal. EU drivers hours state a HGV driver cannot drive for more than 9 hours each day extended to 10 hours twice a week. That being the case it isn't illegal to sleep in a vehicle in the United Kingdom.
LOL Boost my YT income? 🤣🤣🤣 If you call £10 a boost in income 🤣🤣.
Anyway, @pdxxtqhf it is illegal to sleep in your van overnight unless you have permission by the landowner
Wild camping it will always be, you won’t change it, your flogging a dead horse
Thanks for commenting, @keithr1814. I've just found out the official term is Freedom Camping
How about FREE LOADING, accurate desciptions are better than misleading and misunderstood ones in my opinion. By the way I'm trying to be funny or nasty but it should be whar it says on tin. I applaud you for trying to change this much used inaccurate terminology
What do lorry drivers call it when they park in a layby most have all the facilities like campervans but they have to because of driving laws 🧐
Thanks for commenting, @nigelharding4048. I hope you enjoyed the video?
Freeloading , because they dont want to pay site fees
Thanks for commenting, @johngriffith5231. I hope you enjoyed the video?
I think you should get a life Herman.
Thanks for commenting, @CanadianBladeRunner. I hope you enjoyed the video?
I think this comment is uncalled for. Ads is just trying to clarify the term and laws in the UK 🇬🇧. We have four countries over here with different laws. He should be given respect for taking the time to try and sort out the laws so that us Motorhomers stay on the right side of the law.
@@TheLaird-an-hisdog I agree, thank you Ads.