For people who have had issue with us being too quiet on TH-cam: We experimented on this episode bumping the final volume 6dB. Please tell us if the volume is still too low or if it's better now. I didn't want to bump it any further because I'm afraid the quality will deteriorate on our current microphones. ...If you wanted to help on that front we have a Patreon to keep this garbage running, I'm just sayin'.
You forgot one last reason. An army to fight your other army. This lets you playtest, play if you live somewhere in the middle of nowhere, teach others, let them play without having an army, and play more long term narrative campaigns.
@@JeffAndresWilliams Necrons vs Nids in only interesting because GW keeps sneakbuffing the nids (AND sneaknerfing the necrons) in the lore, and we all know it :')
I saw one of my Space Marine player in my play group having a bunch of Tyranid boxes. I asked them "I didn't know you also play Tyranid" Their response was "Oh no these are my basing materials" It was at this point I realise how rich Space Marine players are.
See I started with Admech and worked really hard painting 50 9 points models and having 100+ models in my 2K army, and learning the ridiculous amount of rules and synergies. So when world eaters got announced, and I realized I could have an army with half as many models that I could just run in a straight line at the enemy and beat them to death, I was onboard immediately.
My first not-quite-2000pts-yet army is AdMech. I love the complexity and clear identity of the models, and the fluff behind it all. Playing them, though, is overwhelming. Because I like the iconography and model detail, I want to paint a Sisters army now, too.
I started with admech as well because I love the look and the lore, and while I still do love Admech, I’ve since pivoted to primarily playing Necrons. This is largely due to the Indomitus box set coming out and also me playing the mechanicus video game. The reason I’ve largely pivoted to actually playing games using necrons is because the rules are so much more straightforward, and because most of the stratagems are terrible, I only have to remember a couple of them lol with admech I feel like I had to check for stratagems every move I made on the table top, and I was frequently forgetting all of the aura buffs like canticles. I will come back to admech someday, but I need to get better at playing the game in general before I take on an army with so many things to remember
I almost left the hobby this year because of all this. Im also admech Player. Well, i was. That was my choice for the beginning. After painting 1 dune crawler, 2 scorpion disintegrator, a lot skitarii troops and couldn't not complete painting my 2k army prior this 3 years so nearly made me left. Now I'm in the beginning to switch to the simpler khorne deamons army. I want to learn the rules and have simple fun. Not constantly loosing because I need to make decisions in every step in every round.
Thank you guys so much; yesterday was the hardest day of my life & when I saw this video posted I forgot all about everything because I was excited to listen
I was in a unique situation with my “second army”, the Sister of Battle. It was the army I wanted to collect originally, but I was advised to try collect space marines first since I was new to the hobby. Ultimately I’m glad I did. I love my Templars, and it let me get better at painting before I worked on my favorite.
Sounds like you are really into a clean black color scheme, I also love the way those armies look and would love to see what youve done with them. I personally play custodes, when i researched a c9lor scheme for my rhino i accidentally did a sisters of battle scheme rather than an anathema psykana, however, when i realized i was okay with it; i kust slapped a psykana faction symbol on the top so it didnt get confused.
Value and availability play major roles for me. I had no interest in Drukhari/Custodes before but your 500$ vid really temped me to just buy 2 combat patrol boxes of these factions.
Here is a hot tip for spindly models (especially on 40mm bases) poker chips are 40mm across so they can replace 40mm bases on bases larger than 40mm they often fit in the empty space at the bottom and can be glued down as a weight. This is especially good for gigantic models like tervagons that have the weight oddly distributed because of their pose.
I put metal washers on the bottoms of all my guys. There's no miracle to make genestealers easy to handle but having 70% of the weight on the bottom raises them from @*(#&ing impossible to only moderately fiddly. Washers are sold in bulk at any size you could want, only a few cents each. Just make sure you sand/grind the washers a bit to create a surface glue will stick to.
You can also use inverted alternative bases which makes it really easy to pick up models by grabbing the base, especially heavy models since your fingers get under the extended rim of the base without having to lift it
My girlfriend and I got into 40k right at the beginning of Covid and it was impossible to find a box of battle sisters since those models had released right before lockdown and when she finally found some she immediately bought 3 boxes not knowing when she’d find them again and is currently sitting on 2 unopened boxes of battle sisters.
I think knowing how to strip models is a good skill my Tyranids have been green, then purple and white, then purple and blue then purple and green. Also learning that you can paint over a scheme without having to strip them. My favourite Termagaunts are the ones that have been painted twice as a lot of the work was already done when I changed the blue carapace to green but the techniques I have learnt meant when I painted those carapaces lifted them from ok to great.
I just finished my 4k points of deathguard, mortarion was my last model to get painted and now I feel so happy. Time for army number 2! But I think this one will be my age of sigmar army
Recently transitioned from CSM (which I love!) to Drukhari after almost 4 years, the kabalite’s lore and aesthetic was really appealing to me and they look very fun to play.
Started with blood angels, already kinda sick of painting precise scrolls and gold trim. Second army will most likely be Tyranids with a custom color scheme, I want to splash some blood and guts, throw around slobber with impunity. I am intrigued by necrons though, from what I’ve seen you can get pretty good results on rank and file necrons with just spraying on a basecoat, then dry brushing some lighter shades to add sharpness to the metal body. Maybe do a little accenting… and then done
Necrons were my fist army and painting them wasn’t bad. Zorpazorp has a great painting video that makes them look pro painted as a noob. I’m artistic and painting inept and my army gathers lots of attention.
The green is fun to paint. I would advice getting a bunch of different green colors from either Vallejo or Army painter (or basically anything other than overcosted GW paint). There are some which glow in the dark and are super bright even without the effect ect. Or you pick another main "energy/gauss" color like the known orange or light blue's. It's fun, because you get great results super fast, but you COULD later still go wild on details. And if you do pick necrons, do it now, when you can still get super amazing amounts of them for very very cheap. In a year or 2 you will be sad about the prices.
@@nimmha6708I wanna say that GW does happen to have a single specific paint designed for Necrons’ weapon glow called Tesseract Glow. Highly recommended.
This is one of the reasons I loved Dogs of War for WFB back in the day, huge variety of models all with their own flavour and many could lead onto looking into other factions, plus if you ever moved on those mercenaries were still usable and far less likely to trigger buyers remorse. Plus they were so unique each regiment was its own little art project.
Necrons are my first army and I went all-out on making them look overgrown so I spend ages on every single model. I really like Necrons but I think sometimes they look a bit bland without some kind of special sauce. So for my next army I wanna do sisters because they already look awesome even if you don't go all-out
i was barely introduced to the hobby last October, and i went buckwild. Friend gave me his Tau, but i wanted to have armies that used every damaging phase in the game, so i went Grey Knights and bought some kits. After that, i succumbed to Votann since i love Deep Rock Galactic, and the dwarfs are very similar. My best advice to give: Don't do what i did lol. I bought 3 armies within the span of 2 months. Take your time and enjoy the process of building, painting, and playing your armies to their fullest extent. Thanks for the awesome content guys, now to return to my plastic pile to build and paint.
Started with Tyranids, but I got too many models too fast, couldn't decide how to paint them and got overwhelmed with them. Then I got a squad of tactical marines, found a really cool BA successor scheme to paint them in, and fell in love. After painting over 1k points of space marines, those craftworld models are starting to tempt me.
I'm building my first army and all of the things just came in, so listening to your opinions on all aspects of the hobby has been awesome to me, I even bought some of the stuff from your video on gifts to buy for the hobby, I've needed something artsy to fill a void in my soul for quite a few years now and I'm probably the most excited I've been in years getting ready to paint my golden bois, gonna try to do a weird paint scheme so it'll be cool, thanks for being hilarious and making me feel like I'm not alone cause there aren't many war gamers in my area
I started 40k as a favor to a friend who wanted to play so I went 50/50 on the marines vs necrons and ended up with necrons. After that entry point a different friend gave me a run down of different factions and I learned about tyranids. Now I have ~1000 points necrons and +2000 tyranids. Just an example of how your 2nd can become your #1 😎👍
I started with Black Templar Marines for Kill Team, then my teenage son wanted to paint and play as well. He wanted deathguard. As I taught him how to paint poxwalkers and plague marines, I fell in love with painting these guys. Their coroded diseased state makes for some of the most fun I have had painting in a long time. I ended up painting half his army, and take it game night in case I face another space marine army.
I started off with Sisters of Battle. Tried getting into Craftworld Eldar which kinda ended up not working for me on a meta level but they're all painted nice and i like them! I've also since gotten into space marines (painted with the same color scheme as the sisters). Might try out tau soon, and if darkmech ever releases, im definitely diving into that one. Im at least trying my best to get my current armies to 2000 points. It's pretty tough sometimes!
This is like the exact video I needed, and it’s because I’m building my tau I’ve noticed there are like non available locally, and the models I want are very expensive, so I’ve been trying to find a second army to pick up.
Availability is the reason I got into my first army. I planned out what ork models I wanted to get from my lgs, drove down there and found out someone bought every single ork kit they had. And than someone said bugs were cool, and two years later I have 3000 pts in tyranids.
Same problem. I live out in the sticks so there is a grand total of one hobby store that is semi-convenient. My buy list has to be "get this, if they don't have it get this, if they don't have THAT...." There's also a Warhammer store, but they're a full 45 minute drive from my house. I don't bother with them anymore because they've only been open about 40% of the times I've gone there, no matter what their posted hours are. If it weren't for online shopping, I'd have something like 1/4 of the models I do.
I’m finally coming back here after starting a second army myself (orks), and wow, lot of this is hitting way closer to home than it did back when I listened the first time. Tyranids was what I could find instead of orks during Covid and I think back then I basically talked myself into “well they’re close enough and you like bugs too”. Yet here I am. Years later from that, finally getting some mushroom lads. Most of my nidds never even got painted. You build enough termigaunts and you just build resentment. I hope to come back one day and finish them but man. As is. Building Tyranids was so soul crushing with all the mold lines….. I’m not sure if I’ll have it in me to finish them any time soon.
One thing I like to do when I’m feeling a new army is actually to look at what I got and how my list play along with how it plays and see if their are any sub faction ideas that sound cool. My massive ork army at it’s core is a mechanized militarized army all about walkers, tanks, and uniformed units. However it has a lot of sub factions showing up in it including a rebel grot section of all the gretchin units, a small freebootas light infantry section, and a fledging feral ork force. Armies that can soup together are also fun for expanding. My iron warriors army at this point is mostly heretics and renegades with a couple IW’s supporting them while demons get summoned every now and then which then expanded into a demon section and then a knight got lumped in.
I started by getting some orks and crons as painting projects. My first proper army tho, was deathwatch. I enjoyed the kitbashing side of them, and black was nice and easy. For my second army, I wanted something different in everyway: playstyle, models, how I paint them. So I went with retro Eldar, painted with Turbodorks paints. I now have 2000 points of all metal Eldar and, once my knight is done, I'll have 2000 points of deathwatch. Having the two armies on the go has been so much fun, because working with such different things brings real variety.
When I was deciding on my first army I wanted Grey Knights the most but also liked Custodes, that was around the time the new battleforces came out and I grabbed the Custodes box. I kept telling myself that Grey Knights were too much like Custodes (slightly bigger space marineish elite armies, and almost palette swaps of each other) so I was picking up characters I liked instead. So once I had Crowe and Draigo (I'll never get another resin model again) I said fuck it and got a Grey Knight combat patrol. Somewhere along the way I also got a good deal on the Death Guard battleforce and impulse bought it because Mortarion is my absolute favorite model, so I guess I already have army #3 in the works...
I purchased a few hundred points of Mechanicus a few years back but sold them due to not having time and having Space Marines, and many of the models not quite being my cup of tea. I've since played the game Mechanicus, and when the christmas box dropped I realized a lot of the range had grown on me a lot, so I went for it as a slow grow. Two months later I am now 2000+ pts deep. The Omnissiah willed it.
SO I'm not soliciting advice, but for anyone looking for an example of collection-creep, here's my journey: - Started in 2nd edition by picking up some "Heroes of the Imperium" plastic marines because they were easy to build, paint, and grow and I was a teeny tiny kid. - Actually learnt some rules and decided I wanted to play Chaos space marines because the codex was a bit cooler. - With the move to 3rd edition, drifted back to Space Marines because the new tactical marine kit was amazing. - Once Khorne Berzerkers came out in plastic, and there was an affordable CSM option, I went elbow-deep into them and they became my first "proper" army. I played them in tournaments for years, and they sucked. - Wanting to branch out, I started picking up Imperial Guard when Catachans first got released in plastic, and enjoyed messing around with them until Cadians came out, and they became my second, dedicated, proper army until I took a break from miniatures to go to university. - I returned to the hobby and picked up Warmachine/Hordes because my friends were all playing it and the local scene was great. I played Trollbloods because they were blue scottish samurai and awesome. - Tired of getting beaten, I started on Cryx but the meta collapsed with the move to MK3 and we all stopped playing. - Still being infected by the mini painting bug, I returned to Chaos space marines, but not wanting to paint red ever again, I thought I would try out Tzeentch marines and had a bunch of fun converting things. Then for some reason I painted them red and ran out of momentum. - When I moved in with my girlfriend, we started selling off the random piles of fantasy models that had accrued over the years in aborted projects and I discovered the Night Goblins from Battle for Skull Pass. I decided I still liked them, and they became my AoS army project. - Now that I was an AoS stan, I tried out a 1000point Nighthaunt force because they were a breeze to paint. - With COVID lockdowns and some major surgery, I came off my meds wanting to revisit Imperial Guard but do it properly, with an awesome customised regiment (cue another 2000pt+ collection of guard on top of the 4000pt+ I already owned). - Hobby ADHD truly set in here and I decided I wanted to do an intensely conversion-heavy Chaos Dwarf army. - Then a conversion-heavy Cities of Sigmar army which I didn't even get half done. - Then while converting some stuff for my Chaos Dwarfs I decided I really NEEDED to get back to simpler times and put together a small Ogors force which is half done. - Horus Herey got released and I wanted to paint green, so I bought a heap of Sons of Horus, which are half done. - I remembered that GSC Neophyte/Skitarii kitbashes existed, so I leaned into that hard for an Imperialis Militia force. They are less than half done. ... and now? I've just got Imperial Guard sitting on my hobby table. Still love 'em. They are somewhat more than half done.
I clicked on this video in hope to know which second army to pick, but while I was listening, I noticed that I ALREADY have a second army. I just precieved them as my main army, cause my first few models are Ultramarines and not Orks.
My first army was Admech in 9th edition... Surprisingly, things went well and i really enjoyed them for a few good months. I eventually decided that i had enough figures and that it was time to branch out, so i grabbed the Indomitus box. Experimented with the different playstyles and paint schemes while still playing admech, had enough games that they left a bad taste in my mouth, and fully pivoted to Marines. I have since diversified even further and gave away some of my unbuilt Admech, but i keep them around as a display army and for kitbashing while i focus on building my marines and doing other projects on the side. I'm a nutter for Kill Team so it's a great way for me to experiment with new factions and kits. Definitely not the optimal strategy, but just grabbing small bits of what looks cool and playing around with them is my personal recommendation
In my experience the best way to win any game isn’t to ask “what can I do?” but “what can/will my opponent do”. Having a second army gives you a better idea of what someone else would do, because you would do it with that army. It also overall lets you have different playstyles. I’m just getting into tabletop and started off buying a dreadnaught and a space marine squad to paint, but I’ve made the decision to go all in on eldar, though I might eventually get a 1,000 point space marine army to fill them out.
This just happened to me. Had four years and 3k points of necrrons and limd of got burnt out. So I picked up some chaos space marines for flavour. And boy do they have a lot of flavour! I love it. Thanks for the podcast, you guys are awesone
Started with Ultramarine and Necrons due to 9th editions combined sets. Now branching out to Custodes. Probably the final one will be Chaos knights down the line if they ever have a great deal box set. Would love to do orcs but thats a lot of models to purchase.
One more way that you can get a look at armies and how they play is tabletop simulator, there’s a pretty active community on there for warhammer and TONS of community uploaded scans and 3d models of the minis that you can use and play with.
Strategy: a) an army that complements first army (that can work as ally) b) alternately a complementary army in terms of i) lore (eg. imperium vs xenos) ii) gameplay / tactics (eg. melee army vs shooty army or horde vs elite)
My strategy has been "whatever the insane itch at the back of my head calls for." I went from Tyranids to GSC to Guard because that is a semi-logical progression but now I have Necrons, Tau, Orks, and Drukhari because my inner demons demanded it.
I've been in this same boat. First started my WH40k exp with Admech, switched off of them at around 500ish points bought. Shortly after i picked up the Indomnitus box set, cause value. So starting and finishing up two 2k armys at the same time is fun, it was due to the cheap prices and such on ebay.
started with Tyranids got Deathwatch Overkill because the Genestealer Cultists were released with rules that let them be used in Tyranid armies when Genestealer Cults became their own seperate thing I already pretty much had a starting army so I just went "why not?" and started collecting Genestealer Cults to ally with my Tyranids and at some point I started collecting Imperial Guard to act as Brood Brothers. got to the point where I had Baneblades and stuff. I also got Ogryns and a fair bit of Tempestus Scions (I was really angry when a later codex limited Brood Brothers to only be regular old Guard units without any of the Tempestus or Ogryn or Commissar stuff since it meant that about half of the Astra Militarum stuff I'd bought no longer fit...) ever since that stuff happened with the changes to Brood Brothers I've limited myself entirely to Tyranids and proper Genestealer Cult units since I'm not risking any Guard stuff again in case GW decides to further limit them and invalidate even more of my purchases which I only ever bought to go with my Genestealer Cults as Brood Brother units.
I started with CSM in 6th-7th, changed to Tau in 8th (still have them), then went for Seraphon in AoS 'cause I wanted melee and magic after 5 years of shooting people in the face
In the past few weeks I've started digging out my years old collection, trying to see what survived my childhood, getting ready to return to my first love. Khorne. My first models were 1 chaos biker and 5 monopose berserkers, my first army was 40 Khorne Berserkers just running across the board. I played like 4 other armies after that, lost them all when I moved out. 15 years later I nearly started space marines at 7th. But now, berserkers are back. I'm excited.
Pretty good episode timing for me, I've been eyeing up the World Eaters dropping soon as a second army. My main reasons being the rule leaks sound very fun to play with and would be a very nice change of pace (my only army is Death Guard). Also having a new color scheme to mess with and (hopefully) an army with less details on most models would be a huge relief after painting the same things for 5 months. Luckily the Combat Patrol looks pretty nice & the fact its not releasing yet gives me time to paint some extra stuff before starting a new army.
This episode convinced me that it's okay to start my second army even though I haven't finished collecting my first and will be continuing to do both, thank you for the enabling lol
When I was first getting into 40k, I was debating between T’au, Orks and Tzeentch Daemons. I ended up going with T’au but eventually kinda fell out of love with that army, mostly because the only person I could regularly play with has Ultramarines and Marines were pretty good at that time. We didn’t even play any games with objectives, it was just kill each other. Even so, getting constantly stomped, I stupidly thought it was my army choice that was at fault. So I started collecting Orks. And hey, I did start getting wins, thank you Nobz, you did your damndest. Eventually, I found out that I like having a good shooting phase, which Orks can do, but most units having a 5+ BS just wasn’t great, plus having to use very specific units if I wanted a decent BS didn’t really appeal to me either. So I went into Chaos Space Marines, bounced between a few Legions and eventually settled on Iron Warriors. Now I’m collecting some Chaos Daemons and Chaos Knights here and there, plus I’m thinking of starting the Ork and T’au collections back up. All I’ve really learned here is that I’m indecisive. Which I already knew.
A friend of mine, who I knew from playing Magic The Gathering, introduced me to TTS and playing 40k. He asked me which army he should build for me so we could play a first game. I remembered that there are those scary aliens called Tyranids in this game. I told him to build me a tyranid army and then we played. It took my friend a dozend games to finally tell me that he wanted to play against another army ;-) Then I got into necrons and they were also very fun. They are my favourite factions to date. After the 40k TTS games we played the old version of kill team. What faction did I choose? Tyranids. Played them really liked them. Then the new version of Kill Team came out and I got the starter box and the compendium. I read the rules for nids and bought the models for Kill Team, painted them up and played with my friend. It took me 2 years to finish the other kill teams from the starter box, because every time I start playing nids no matter the 40k format....I just love them. They look cool and I like their playstyle. Having many different models that have a unique impact on the game is great. Right now with 10th edition I am building a full 2k Nids army. Everytime I look at the models I will buy eventually I giggle like a little girl ;-) I think it will be my Number 1 army for eternity, maybe I buy anther army for variety. I only play with a few friends and want to mix up the armies a bit. I did the same thing for Kill Team and have a dozends kill teams now.
I'm glad you brought up WH3 making you fall in love with Khorne, because it did the same for me with Tzeentch. Seeing the spell effects, hearing the sounds, finally seeing horrors and flamers move and fight; it just made me fall for the aesthetic.
I spent years painting dark grey power armour for my space wolves, so I chose craftworlds. It's very refreshing to switch up colour schemes on every unit, not only that but using bright colours aswell.
I bought the indom box and wanted to start marines, but I actually decided to jump into necrons first. This allowed me to learn how to paint, learn the game, and just overall develop my understanding of the hobby. Now i am starting my marines and they are coming along nicely, make them a custom character with its own lore and different color scheme and all
Really happy to see this podcast taking off. Easily my favorite warhammer podcast, and it’s always great having something to listen to at work to help pass the day.
🔥🎸🔥 I painted the space marine half of the Dark Imperium box set has Black Templars and ended up ( almost ) hating my painting scheme. Changed to a home-brew Primaris army that is still a joy to paint years later. I also have a Death Guard/Nurgle Demon army that's untouched that I'll do in a simple and artistic scheme. Looking forward to see what I come up with. Thanks for the video!
When you were discussing 'make sure you like the whole range' I got flashbacks to my first great disappointment. My first army was Tau, back when it was just T'au and not T'au Empire. It only had like 2 options per force org slot, (one Tau, one Kroot), but I liked it, I loved the battlesuits and hovertanks and I loved the bit of lore where it basically said 'The Manta Missile Destroyer is the closest thing the Tau have to a Titan, because building a walker bigger than a bus is stupid, just build a tank or spaceship with big guns'. Fast forward a few editions and the most meta picks are Riptides and Stormsurges AKA mechs bigger than a bus, and my poor hovertanks are left to rust. Made me sad that my blue bois betrayed me. The good was greater enough already.
Started with Thousand Sons, then I played a friend's Iron Hands list, and I fell in love with the mechanized playstyle of Iron Hands & also I now get to run bunch of Dreadnoughts which are cool
I've been playing Black Templars for a while ended up changing over to Thousand Sons for something different and now I'm starting an Eldar army because i really enjoy the psychic phase
My two armies, aside from being imperium, are almost polar opposites. I started with blood angels. Melee focused, fairly tough, and red, black, and gold as the main colors. My next army was an Argent Shroud based order minoris of the battle sisters. Shooting focused, incredibly frail, and the main colors were blue, silver, and white.
My first army is Necrons, my second is T'au. I love expanding both of them, because they are so different to paint. I just do whatever army I feel like that day
I found some pyrite cube beads for basing material and I just glue those to any base that needs weight to keep the model upright. Cheap, super dense for their size, and super cool looking unpainted or painted on a base.
I started three armies at the same time and five kill teams. I was into the hobby as a kid and just got back into it. I was just going to play Kill team but my son fell in love with Necrons.. so I got imperium magazine.. and then I bought a tenth box set with the tyranids.. so now I have Marines, Tyranids and Necrons all on the painting desk. I paint twenty miniatures at a time. I havent started the Nids yet but... I have finished three kill teams and each kill team makes me itch to buy a full army..
My second army actually happened to be my first collecting. Greenskin here through and through but when I started I knew ork refresh was around the corner so got death guard. Death guard were solely due to how awesome nurglings are.
I started out with orks, added mechanicum caused I love the vibe, and now I started collecting krieg ecause I finally got my hands on resin printer. Weird thing is, I think Im enjoying 3d printing even more than assembling actual minis, as it gives me more freedom, which I absolutely love!
So I feel in love with Guilliman after reading Dark Imperium and as silly as this sounds I never even considered I could just get him instead of a full Ultramarine army to go along with him. Thanks for the common sense tip!
To me it's trying different playstyles. So if I choose a mellee focused army like the Black Templars as my first army, than I wanted for my second army to be a shooty one and went with the Tau Empire. So in the end I can decide what suits my mood best.
they had these great snapfit boxes for like 5-6 euros, and i bought spacemarines, Impguard and orks. painted them all and then went with spacemarines which i at the time thought was the most fun ones to paint. :)
I love you guys, been here since the space marine slander/hype and have been so glad to see you grow and I know you will even more keep it up guys! Between the advice and rants and everything, you guys are easily one of my favorite 40K channels keep it up! Also finding another grey knight player in this space is huge I feel like there’s all of 5 GK players
Amazing video! So how my second army started was basically the overlapping models sorta deal. My first army was tyranids and It was around the time the tooth and claw box set was out for preorder that I thought “huh a small detachment of human tyranid hybrids sounds so cool!” So with that I started GSC and then boom! They revealed the whole new range with their own codex and I was hooked. Sorta, when I was playing the cult alone I realized how much fire power and defence I lacked making me not wanna play them for a bit. Then bam! Thousand sons lol
I got space marines as my second I started as tau. I love them I just myself needed a change of pace for painting and got all my space marines I've gotten second hand I'm getting a like 600$ more this week for only 100$ your videos have helped me out a ton. Thank you.
I started with the Dark Vengeance box for many reasons. 1) it had a nice painting range 2) I love the lore of Dark Angels 3) if i wanted to use dark angels for a chaos army, the lore is very easy to understand, so conversion into a full chaos army was there 4) I had no freaking clue what army i wanted to play. I loved Necrons, Tyranids, andTau. I figured dipping my toes into something to see how it feels. Since then I have been playing CSM. I converted my Dark Angels to csm and got some Tzeentch deamons. After playing a little bit, csm and Deamons are very flexible. First off Deamons can be used in 40k and AoS. CSM can have space marines converted. Lore wise space marines could have turned to chaos and the mutations werent visible. especially if they were recently converted to chaos. Making the metal as fuck army very appealing. AoS I got the dominion box because of wanting to dip my toes in.. Storm Cast Externals are like playing Dank Souls. I just cant afford to have armies all over the place. But I love the painting aspect. tl;dr I started with a box set, my recommendation to new players is, if its within your budget, start with a battle box that has two armies. As long as one side of the army is appealing, you can sell/trade off the other half.
My first army was Nids since I was introduced to 40K right before 10e, but my main issue with it is that it’s not an easy army to paint in that “you can’t make it look bad” but “this is for you to show off.” Picked up the Orks Combat Patrol and my reasoning was “if it looks bad it’s funny” but in all honesty it was a meta chase Now after being in the community for a year, I really want to get better at both the game and painting, and KSons feel like a good trial by fire. The main issue is I haven’t had time to paint anything with college
I have gotten back into Warhammer having been a floorhammer player back in 2003/2004 and started with the kill team recruit edition and a box of immortals to make a third kill team of necrons with my old 3rd edition necron warriors. I recently bought a box of hearthkyn warriors, not because I wanted to start Votann army, but because those lil guys looked like fun to paint with options for some cool color schemes. They arent part of an army or anything so I have the freedom to mix and match colors and not stress about matching them. I did the same with the veteran guardsmen to try some cool color schemes before building a Kill Team proper.
My second army was Dwarfs in Warhammer Fantasy because my grandparents neighbour heard I'd gotten into minis and saw a box with a load of minis in, that happened to be dwarfs, in a charity shop.
My main squeeze is Imperial Guard. I love how they play and they are generally quite strong. I also love big robots and power armor, so I ended up collecting Tau as a themed army (Farsight is one of my favorite characters so I have an Enclaves army), my Guard regiment hails from a feudal Knight World so I made a Knight house to go with them, and then I bought into Custodes at the start of 10th because they were quite strong and I could essentially have an entire army in a box. Plus, painting Custodes and Knights is just a treat because they're really pretty simple with the liquid metallics from Army Painter. And in the end, Guard gives me my complexity fix, and the other three armies are really quite simple to play, though Tau and Custodes still have their own finesse. Really just my favorite parts of the lore. I used to run Chaos and I love Chaos but my gosh THE TRIM is such a pain to paint.
i have two main armys: orks and space marines started out with SM when i was 14, and the ease of learning how to play with them has lead me to enjoy having them just to give them to others to test stuff out. sometimes i like hammering my opoonent with three land raiders :) Orks started 5 years ago, and has been my favourite army ever since. a bit more models to screw around with, silly things to do and a healthy dose of "i dont have to take myself seriously", both from tabletop and lore perspective. aside from that i have several art pices, projects etc. BeLakro was a must, that thing is just to awesome of a model same goes for the vortex beast. there is a knight, some harlequinns and admech for KillTeam, and even a a Squad of Impis and some sisters have slipped their way into that. its great for narrative, firendly campaigns with friends who may not be able to afford warhammer, and gives enouigh options to mess around a bit when setting up their armys
i started with 2 armies, the indomitus box was my intro to warhammer. branching out to khorne + world eaters and imperial guard (printing these mostly tho)
I started with Tyranids, then moved into Real-Lords from AoS that I play as Ynnari Exodites, then started first-born Black Templar. The move from Nids was so I could paint something other then my really dark scheme (black skin, dark purple muscle, dark gold carapace, dark silver claws/teeth) that was tedious to paint. The move from Ynnari was mostly for gameplay reasons as to timing, my group just wanted something new to fight and Ynnari have some units which are mean. Black Templar will be my main army until 10th, then the tendrils of the hive fleet will reach back once more.
I started with Orks and continued for about 4 years, then decided to add in a small Thousand Sons force, with a bit more shooting than usual and just generally beefy. Enjoying it so far and love the choice between a horde of melee attacks or a gun line, tanky army (compared to Orks)
I *had* a 1000 point elites-heavy Space Wolves army before Arks dropped, and I had changed the color scheme of the units halfway through. Now I'm going back and painting individual panels of armor the color of the other half for better cohesion. Also, it IS my first army so don't judge. Tldr: I'm always coming back to my older models.
I started off with Tyranids going into 10e, and with the Leviathan box being a necessary purchase I knew I had to get SM on some level. I figured that Sallies would work well as that opposite force, and Tzeentch sounds fun for AoS while completing the trifecta of Xenos/Imperium/Chaos
Starting with Tyranid just earlier this year, I have no plans for a second army anytime soon. Though I have thought about it a lot. Started with Custodes of course to go from swarm to elite. Once that meme wore off I thought about my second choice, Thousand Sons, but they’re ultimately the second choice to an army I already have. Then I realized I really want to paint a vehicle, and orks look the coolest, but I can be satiated by just buying a stompa and avoiding another horde army. Currently thinking either knights for vehicles and time efficiency. And of course this is likely to change in the near future.
first army was guard due to darktide fever, just started my second with knights, mostly because i can ally them or play them solo. already planning number three as imperial agents, that way i can have more plug and play between all three
Your two points of more or less "you start to dislike your first army" and "finding what contrasts your current army" is what determined my second army. I got into 40k back in... Seventh edition? With Death Guard, before they were their own faction. Stuck with them throughout the years but never collected a lot of models, veered into Nurgle Demons ultimately. Loved me some disgustingly resilient rolls, but was starting to be bothered by the absolute slow trudging up the board; every game felt like my strategy had to be the same regardless. And then 9th edition Chaos Demons codex happened, and, well... Yeah. There's very little reason for me to even put my plaguebearers on the table now. So, I saw it as an opportunity to get into something else, along with some revived love of the game from a Tyrranid friend getting ricidulous hyped on leviathan box splits. Decided to go into the army i had been eyeing both from aesthetic/flavor reasons, and different playstyle to nurgle entirely, and now I'm playing Genestealer cults. Entirely different tactics just in even building the army or selecting models; it's been a good change of pace. Made the Nid friend EXTRA excited too. We're hoping to make some extra flavorful crusade games now.
I got into blood angels because I liked the initial lore and my friends who already played told me about their play style. Then some ppl had extra models to sell me for like $20 and others showed me how to paint, basically I was the freshman who everyone saw getting into it and then did something to help get me into it. Fast forward to the launch of 8th and I’ve got like 7-8k and just custodes dropped and immediately I said gimme, because I had just gotten done reading master of mankind and it was great.
One of the reasons I started with Aeldari is the fact that they can fuse with Drukhari and Harlequin's. If don't feel like collecting Aeldari anymore, I can just jump to Drukhari.
For me my second army are Nids. I was finishing up a Black Templars, and needed a break from Black models. The Leviathan box hit at just the right moment.
I had a solid plan for my armies. First finish the tyranid army I started many years ago when I tried to get into the game but had no money. Then second was do a genestealer cult army. and then my third army would be either Orks(because I just love the look and lore about them), Admech(I really like cyborg/cyberneticbodyhorror kinda stuff) or Imperial guard but kitbash them to be like Imperial Navy Marines with like old time scuba gear and stuff. But then the genestealer cults lost the ability to ally the nids which took them from an easy second pick to a Hmmm maybe still my second pick.
For people who have had issue with us being too quiet on TH-cam: We experimented on this episode bumping the final volume 6dB. Please tell us if the volume is still too low or if it's better now. I didn't want to bump it any further because I'm afraid the quality will deteriorate on our current microphones. ...If you wanted to help on that front we have a Patreon to keep this garbage running, I'm just sayin'.
Volume is great
Volume is actually on point
sounds a little punchy but its good
The audio is fine in this episode ... but I though it was also fine in your other episodes.
You are not like the Outer Circle.
It’s much better than in the past!
You forgot one last reason. An army to fight your other army. This lets you playtest, play if you live somewhere in the middle of nowhere, teach others, let them play without having an army, and play more long term narrative campaigns.
Especially if it's a fluffy rivalry like Iron Hands vs Emperor's Children or an interesting theme like all machine Necrons vs all organic Tyranids.
@@JeffAndresWilliams Necrons vs Nids in only interesting because GW keeps sneakbuffing the nids (AND sneaknerfing the necrons) in the lore, and we all know it :')
@@dronel1637 this, just bought a combat patrol nids on mercari to play againts my combat patrol crons. love both of the army aesthetic
This is the saddest comment I've ever heard. Get some friends. Don't play Warhammer alone.
@@joheric8886 how
I saw one of my Space Marine player in my play group having a bunch of Tyranid boxes. I asked them "I didn't know you also play Tyranid"
Their response was "Oh no these are my basing materials"
It was at this point I realise how rich Space Marine players are.
Since Rhinos are free, I have a leftover one that I used to base my Norn Emissary
@@theotv5522 so because you have one idiot that you found, you're going to base everything off of that one experience? Typical Warhammer player
@@theotv5522 did you know that all hobbies cost money??
See I started with Admech and worked really hard painting 50 9 points models and having 100+ models in my 2K army, and learning the ridiculous amount of rules and synergies. So when world eaters got announced, and I realized I could have an army with half as many models that I could just run in a straight line at the enemy and beat them to death, I was onboard immediately.
My first not-quite-2000pts-yet army is AdMech. I love the complexity and clear identity of the models, and the fluff behind it all. Playing them, though, is overwhelming. Because I like the iconography and model detail, I want to paint a Sisters army now, too.
I started with admech as well because I love the look and the lore, and while I still do love Admech, I’ve since pivoted to primarily playing Necrons. This is largely due to the Indomitus box set coming out and also me playing the mechanicus video game. The reason I’ve largely pivoted to actually playing games using necrons is because the rules are so much more straightforward, and because most of the stratagems are terrible, I only have to remember a couple of them lol with admech I feel like I had to check for stratagems every move I made on the table top, and I was frequently forgetting all of the aura buffs like canticles. I will come back to admech someday, but I need to get better at playing the game in general before I take on an army with so many things to remember
I love that if you want 2000 points of just Skitarii blue a few tech priests, it’s 200+ models
I almost left the hobby this year because of all this. Im also admech Player. Well, i was. That was my choice for the beginning. After painting 1 dune crawler, 2 scorpion disintegrator, a lot skitarii troops and couldn't not complete painting my 2k army prior this 3 years so nearly made me left. Now I'm in the beginning to switch to the simpler khorne deamons army. I want to learn the rules and have simple fun. Not constantly loosing because I need to make decisions in every step in every round.
9e Admech - Absolutely insane, just absolute pain
9e World Eaters - Angry Unga Bunga
Thank you guys so much; yesterday was the hardest day of my life & when I saw this video posted I forgot all about everything because I was excited to listen
I'm very sorry to hear that, but thanks for the kind words I guess. lol Hope your week improves from here.
I hope things get better quick ❤️🩹
Hope you have a much better day ♡
Best wishes to you my dude; keep fighting the good life
Stay strong and stay safe friend.
I was in a unique situation with my “second army”, the Sister of Battle. It was the army I wanted to collect originally, but I was advised to try collect space marines first since I was new to the hobby. Ultimately I’m glad I did. I love my Templars, and it let me get better at painting before I worked on my favorite.
Sounds like you are really into a clean black color scheme, I also love the way those armies look and would love to see what youve done with them.
I personally play custodes, when i researched a c9lor scheme for my rhino i accidentally did a sisters of battle scheme rather than an anathema psykana, however, when i realized i was okay with it; i kust slapped a psykana faction symbol on the top so it didnt get confused.
Value and availability play major roles for me.
I had no interest in Drukhari/Custodes before but your 500$ vid really temped me to just buy 2 combat patrol boxes of these factions.
Here is a hot tip for spindly models (especially on 40mm bases) poker chips are 40mm across so they can replace 40mm bases on bases larger than 40mm they often fit in the empty space at the bottom and can be glued down as a weight. This is especially good for gigantic models like tervagons that have the weight oddly distributed because of their pose.
I put metal washers on the bottoms of all my guys. There's no miracle to make genestealers easy to handle but having 70% of the weight on the bottom raises them from @*(#&ing impossible to only moderately fiddly. Washers are sold in bulk at any size you could want, only a few cents each. Just make sure you sand/grind the washers a bit to create a surface glue will stick to.
You can also use inverted alternative bases which makes it really easy to pick up models by grabbing the base, especially heavy models since your fingers get under the extended rim of the base without having to lift it
My girlfriend and I got into 40k right at the beginning of Covid and it was impossible to find a box of battle sisters since those models had released right before lockdown and when she finally found some she immediately bought 3 boxes not knowing when she’d find them again and is currently sitting on 2 unopened boxes of battle sisters.
I think knowing how to strip models is a good skill my Tyranids have been green, then purple and white, then purple and blue then purple and green. Also learning that you can paint over a scheme without having to strip them. My favourite Termagaunts are the ones that have been painted twice as a lot of the work was already done when I changed the blue carapace to green but the techniques I have learnt meant when I painted those carapaces lifted them from ok to great.
Yeah, I have bounced between Chaos Marine Legions, Ork Clans, etc for a while. Stripping models is a good way to start over if you feel the need to.
I just finished my 4k points of deathguard, mortarion was my last model to get painted and now I feel so happy. Time for army number 2! But I think this one will be my age of sigmar army
My methodology is to pick a new army that opposes the last one in some way.
I’ve gone from Necrons to AdMech to Votann.
Recently transitioned from CSM (which I love!) to Drukhari after almost 4 years, the kabalite’s lore and aesthetic was really appealing to me and they look very fun to play.
You like spikes and warcrimes it seems :3
@@XxXchrisXxX78 lmao yeah, moved from EC even.
@@XxXchrisXxX78 More like spikes and crimes against life :P
Started with blood angels, already kinda sick of painting precise scrolls and gold trim.
Second army will most likely be Tyranids with a custom color scheme, I want to splash some blood and guts, throw around slobber with impunity.
I am intrigued by necrons though, from what I’ve seen you can get pretty good results on rank and file necrons with just spraying on a basecoat, then dry brushing some lighter shades to add sharpness to the metal body. Maybe do a little accenting… and then done
i have necrons myself and the characters are fun and the lore is amezing but i warn you, you can get tired of nec wariors real fast
Necrons were my fist army and painting them wasn’t bad. Zorpazorp has a great painting video that makes them look pro painted as a noob. I’m artistic and painting inept and my army gathers lots of attention.
The green is fun to paint. I would advice getting a bunch of different green colors from either Vallejo or Army painter (or basically anything other than overcosted GW paint).
There are some which glow in the dark and are super bright even without the effect ect.
Or you pick another main "energy/gauss" color like the known orange or light blue's.
It's fun, because you get great results super fast, but you COULD later still go wild on details.
And if you do pick necrons, do it now, when you can still get super amazing amounts of them for very very cheap. In a year or 2 you will be sad about the prices.
@@nimmha6708I wanna say that GW does happen to have a single specific paint designed for Necrons’ weapon glow called Tesseract Glow. Highly recommended.
My first army was Blood Angels and I went to Tyranids because I wanted a horde. I wanted to just roll lots of dice and throw bodies at a problem.
I just got my first army two days ago. I'm sure I'll be back to watch this one again some day.
This is one of the reasons I loved Dogs of War for WFB back in the day, huge variety of models all with their own flavour and many could lead onto looking into other factions, plus if you ever moved on those mercenaries were still usable and far less likely to trigger buyers remorse.
Plus they were so unique each regiment was its own little art project.
As a tempestus Scion player, I don't know if my army is ever coming back to what it used to be. If only GW gave them love
Necrons are my first army and I went all-out on making them look overgrown so I spend ages on every single model. I really like Necrons but I think sometimes they look a bit bland without some kind of special sauce. So for my next army I wanna do sisters because they already look awesome even if you don't go all-out
i was barely introduced to the hobby last October, and i went buckwild. Friend gave me his Tau, but i wanted to have armies that used every damaging phase in the game, so i went Grey Knights and bought some kits. After that, i succumbed to Votann since i love Deep Rock Galactic, and the dwarfs are very similar. My best advice to give: Don't do what i did lol. I bought 3 armies within the span of 2 months. Take your time and enjoy the process of building, painting, and playing your armies to their fullest extent. Thanks for the awesome content guys, now to return to my plastic pile to build and paint.
Started with Tyranids, but I got too many models too fast, couldn't decide how to paint them and got overwhelmed with them. Then I got a squad of tactical marines, found a really cool BA successor scheme to paint them in, and fell in love. After painting over 1k points of space marines, those craftworld models are starting to tempt me.
I found the wraithbone base paint for the Tyranids to be a bit challenging at first due to how it wasn't as easy to water down for thin coating.
I'm building my first army and all of the things just came in, so listening to your opinions on all aspects of the hobby has been awesome to me, I even bought some of the stuff from your video on gifts to buy for the hobby, I've needed something artsy to fill a void in my soul for quite a few years now and I'm probably the most excited I've been in years getting ready to paint my golden bois, gonna try to do a weird paint scheme so it'll be cool, thanks for being hilarious and making me feel like I'm not alone cause there aren't many war gamers in my area
Does this mean you are also a Custodes player? What kind of paint scheme were you going to do
I started 40k as a favor to a friend who wanted to play so I went 50/50 on the marines vs necrons and ended up with necrons. After that entry point a different friend gave me a run down of different factions and I learned about tyranids. Now I have ~1000 points necrons and +2000 tyranids. Just an example of how your 2nd can become your #1 😎👍
I started with Black Templar Marines for Kill Team, then my teenage son wanted to paint and play as well. He wanted deathguard. As I taught him how to paint poxwalkers and plague marines, I fell in love with painting these guys. Their coroded diseased state makes for some of the most fun I have had painting in a long time. I ended up painting half his army, and take it game night in case I face another space marine army.
On this subject, it'd be great if you made a video about each aos faction, as I've been wanting to branch out into that
I started off with Sisters of Battle. Tried getting into Craftworld Eldar which kinda ended up not working for me on a meta level but they're all painted nice and i like them! I've also since gotten into space marines (painted with the same color scheme as the sisters). Might try out tau soon, and if darkmech ever releases, im definitely diving into that one. Im at least trying my best to get my current armies to 2000 points. It's pretty tough sometimes!
This is like the exact video I needed, and it’s because I’m building my tau I’ve noticed there are like non available locally, and the models I want are very expensive, so I’ve been trying to find a second army to pick up.
Availability is the reason I got into my first army. I planned out what ork models I wanted to get from my lgs, drove down there and found out someone bought every single ork kit they had. And than someone said bugs were cool, and two years later I have 3000 pts in tyranids.
Same problem. I live out in the sticks so there is a grand total of one hobby store that is semi-convenient. My buy list has to be "get this, if they don't have it get this, if they don't have THAT...." There's also a Warhammer store, but they're a full 45 minute drive from my house. I don't bother with them anymore because they've only been open about 40% of the times I've gone there, no matter what their posted hours are. If it weren't for online shopping, I'd have something like 1/4 of the models I do.
I’m so glad my first army is Orks. They’re such a good way to learn painting and, what has been my favorite part of the hobby, kitbashing
Same for me with GSC, I love how good they are to kitbash.
I’m finally coming back here after starting a second army myself (orks), and wow, lot of this is hitting way closer to home than it did back when I listened the first time.
Tyranids was what I could find instead of orks during Covid and I think back then I basically talked myself into “well they’re close enough and you like bugs too”. Yet here I am. Years later from that, finally getting some mushroom lads. Most of my nidds never even got painted. You build enough termigaunts and you just build resentment. I hope to come back one day and finish them but man. As is. Building Tyranids was so soul crushing with all the mold lines….. I’m not sure if I’ll have it in me to finish them any time soon.
One thing I like to do when I’m feeling a new army is actually to look at what I got and how my list play along with how it plays and see if their are any sub faction ideas that sound cool. My massive ork army at it’s core is a mechanized militarized army all about walkers, tanks, and uniformed units. However it has a lot of sub factions showing up in it including a rebel grot section of all the gretchin units, a small freebootas light infantry section, and a fledging feral ork force.
Armies that can soup together are also fun for expanding. My iron warriors army at this point is mostly heretics and renegades with a couple IW’s supporting them while demons get summoned every now and then which then expanded into a demon section and then a knight got lumped in.
I started by getting some orks and crons as painting projects. My first proper army tho, was deathwatch. I enjoyed the kitbashing side of them, and black was nice and easy. For my second army, I wanted something different in everyway: playstyle, models, how I paint them. So I went with retro Eldar, painted with Turbodorks paints. I now have 2000 points of all metal Eldar and, once my knight is done, I'll have 2000 points of deathwatch. Having the two armies on the go has been so much fun, because working with such different things brings real variety.
When I was deciding on my first army I wanted Grey Knights the most but also liked Custodes, that was around the time the new battleforces came out and I grabbed the Custodes box. I kept telling myself that Grey Knights were too much like Custodes (slightly bigger space marineish elite armies, and almost palette swaps of each other) so I was picking up characters I liked instead. So once I had Crowe and Draigo (I'll never get another resin model again) I said fuck it and got a Grey Knight combat patrol. Somewhere along the way I also got a good deal on the Death Guard battleforce and impulse bought it because Mortarion is my absolute favorite model, so I guess I already have army #3 in the works...
I purchased a few hundred points of Mechanicus a few years back but sold them due to not having time and having Space Marines, and many of the models not quite being my cup of tea.
I've since played the game Mechanicus, and when the christmas box dropped I realized a lot of the range had grown on me a lot, so I went for it as a slow grow. Two months later I am now 2000+ pts deep. The Omnissiah willed it.
SO I'm not soliciting advice, but for anyone looking for an example of collection-creep, here's my journey:
- Started in 2nd edition by picking up some "Heroes of the Imperium" plastic marines because they were easy to build, paint, and grow and I was a teeny tiny kid.
- Actually learnt some rules and decided I wanted to play Chaos space marines because the codex was a bit cooler.
- With the move to 3rd edition, drifted back to Space Marines because the new tactical marine kit was amazing.
- Once Khorne Berzerkers came out in plastic, and there was an affordable CSM option, I went elbow-deep into them and they became my first "proper" army. I played them in tournaments for years, and they sucked.
- Wanting to branch out, I started picking up Imperial Guard when Catachans first got released in plastic, and enjoyed messing around with them until Cadians came out, and they became my second, dedicated, proper army until I took a break from miniatures to go to university.
- I returned to the hobby and picked up Warmachine/Hordes because my friends were all playing it and the local scene was great. I played Trollbloods because they were blue scottish samurai and awesome.
- Tired of getting beaten, I started on Cryx but the meta collapsed with the move to MK3 and we all stopped playing.
- Still being infected by the mini painting bug, I returned to Chaos space marines, but not wanting to paint red ever again, I thought I would try out Tzeentch marines and had a bunch of fun converting things. Then for some reason I painted them red and ran out of momentum.
- When I moved in with my girlfriend, we started selling off the random piles of fantasy models that had accrued over the years in aborted projects and I discovered the Night Goblins from Battle for Skull Pass. I decided I still liked them, and they became my AoS army project.
- Now that I was an AoS stan, I tried out a 1000point Nighthaunt force because they were a breeze to paint.
- With COVID lockdowns and some major surgery, I came off my meds wanting to revisit Imperial Guard but do it properly, with an awesome customised regiment (cue another 2000pt+ collection of guard on top of the 4000pt+ I already owned).
- Hobby ADHD truly set in here and I decided I wanted to do an intensely conversion-heavy Chaos Dwarf army.
- Then a conversion-heavy Cities of Sigmar army which I didn't even get half done.
- Then while converting some stuff for my Chaos Dwarfs I decided I really NEEDED to get back to simpler times and put together a small Ogors force which is half done.
- Horus Herey got released and I wanted to paint green, so I bought a heap of Sons of Horus, which are half done.
- I remembered that GSC Neophyte/Skitarii kitbashes existed, so I leaned into that hard for an Imperialis Militia force. They are less than half done.
... and now? I've just got Imperial Guard sitting on my hobby table. Still love 'em. They are somewhat more than half done.
I clicked on this video in hope to know which second army to pick, but while I was listening, I noticed that I ALREADY have a second army. I just precieved them as my main army, cause my first few models are Ultramarines and not Orks.
My first army was Admech in 9th edition... Surprisingly, things went well and i really enjoyed them for a few good months. I eventually decided that i had enough figures and that it was time to branch out, so i grabbed the Indomitus box. Experimented with the different playstyles and paint schemes while still playing admech, had enough games that they left a bad taste in my mouth, and fully pivoted to Marines.
I have since diversified even further and gave away some of my unbuilt Admech, but i keep them around as a display army and for kitbashing while i focus on building my marines and doing other projects on the side. I'm a nutter for Kill Team so it's a great way for me to experiment with new factions and kits. Definitely not the optimal strategy, but just grabbing small bits of what looks cool and playing around with them is my personal recommendation
In my experience the best way to win any game isn’t to ask “what can I do?” but “what can/will my opponent do”.
Having a second army gives you a better idea of what someone else would do, because you would do it with that army. It also overall lets you have different playstyles. I’m just getting into tabletop and started off buying a dreadnaught and a space marine squad to paint, but I’ve made the decision to go all in on eldar, though I might eventually get a 1,000 point space marine army to fill them out.
This just happened to me. Had four years and 3k points of necrrons and limd of got burnt out. So I picked up some chaos space marines for flavour. And boy do they have a lot of flavour! I love it. Thanks for the podcast, you guys are awesone
Started with Ultramarine and Necrons due to 9th editions combined sets. Now branching out to Custodes. Probably the final one will be Chaos knights down the line if they ever have a great deal box set. Would love to do orcs but thats a lot of models to purchase.
One more way that you can get a look at armies and how they play is tabletop simulator, there’s a pretty active community on there for warhammer and TONS of community uploaded scans and 3d models of the minis that you can use and play with.
Strategy:
a) an army that complements first army (that can work as ally)
b) alternately a complementary army in terms of
i) lore (eg. imperium vs xenos)
ii) gameplay / tactics (eg. melee army vs shooty army or horde vs elite)
My strategy has been "whatever the insane itch at the back of my head calls for." I went from Tyranids to GSC to Guard because that is a semi-logical progression but now I have Necrons, Tau, Orks, and Drukhari because my inner demons demanded it.
I've been in this same boat. First started my WH40k exp with Admech, switched off of them at around 500ish points bought. Shortly after i picked up the Indomnitus box set, cause value. So starting and finishing up two 2k armys at the same time is fun, it was due to the cheap prices and such on ebay.
started with Tyranids
got Deathwatch Overkill because the Genestealer Cultists were released with rules that let them be used in Tyranid armies
when Genestealer Cults became their own seperate thing I already pretty much had a starting army so I just went "why not?" and started collecting Genestealer Cults to ally with my Tyranids
and at some point I started collecting Imperial Guard to act as Brood Brothers. got to the point where I had Baneblades and stuff. I also got Ogryns and a fair bit of Tempestus Scions (I was really angry when a later codex limited Brood Brothers to only be regular old Guard units without any of the Tempestus or Ogryn or Commissar stuff since it meant that about half of the Astra Militarum stuff I'd bought no longer fit...)
ever since that stuff happened with the changes to Brood Brothers I've limited myself entirely to Tyranids and proper Genestealer Cult units since I'm not risking any Guard stuff again in case GW decides to further limit them and invalidate even more of my purchases which I only ever bought to go with my Genestealer Cults as Brood Brother units.
I started with CSM in 6th-7th, changed to Tau in 8th (still have them), then went for Seraphon in AoS 'cause I wanted melee and magic after 5 years of shooting people in the face
In the past few weeks I've started digging out my years old collection, trying to see what survived my childhood, getting ready to return to my first love.
Khorne.
My first models were 1 chaos biker and 5 monopose berserkers, my first army was 40 Khorne Berserkers just running across the board. I played like 4 other armies after that, lost them all when I moved out. 15 years later I nearly started space marines at 7th.
But now, berserkers are back. I'm excited.
Pretty good episode timing for me, I've been eyeing up the World Eaters dropping soon as a second army. My main reasons being the rule leaks sound very fun to play with and would be a very nice change of pace (my only army is Death Guard). Also having a new color scheme to mess with and (hopefully) an army with less details on most models would be a huge relief after painting the same things for 5 months.
Luckily the Combat Patrol looks pretty nice & the fact its not releasing yet gives me time to paint some extra stuff before starting a new army.
This episode convinced me that it's okay to start my second army even though I haven't finished collecting my first and will be continuing to do both, thank you for the enabling lol
Thanks man! Ive been looking for a video to help with this for so long!!
I just wanna say that your editor really outdid themself with this one!
I’d say that killteam is probably the best way to get to know different armies because it’s cheaper than buying a a combat patrol or 1000 point army
When I was first getting into 40k, I was debating between T’au, Orks and Tzeentch Daemons. I ended up going with T’au but eventually kinda fell out of love with that army, mostly because the only person I could regularly play with has Ultramarines and Marines were pretty good at that time. We didn’t even play any games with objectives, it was just kill each other. Even so, getting constantly stomped, I stupidly thought it was my army choice that was at fault. So I started collecting Orks. And hey, I did start getting wins, thank you Nobz, you did your damndest. Eventually, I found out that I like having a good shooting phase, which Orks can do, but most units having a 5+ BS just wasn’t great, plus having to use very specific units if I wanted a decent BS didn’t really appeal to me either. So I went into Chaos Space Marines, bounced between a few Legions and eventually settled on Iron Warriors. Now I’m collecting some Chaos Daemons and Chaos Knights here and there, plus I’m thinking of starting the Ork and T’au collections back up. All I’ve really learned here is that I’m indecisive. Which I already knew.
A friend of mine, who I knew from playing Magic The Gathering, introduced me to TTS and playing 40k. He asked me which army he should build for me so we could play a first game. I remembered that there are those scary aliens called Tyranids in this game. I told him to build me a tyranid army and then we played. It took my friend a dozend games to finally tell me that he wanted to play against another army ;-) Then I got into necrons and they were also very fun. They are my favourite factions to date. After the 40k TTS games we played the old version of kill team. What faction did I choose? Tyranids. Played them really liked them. Then the new version of Kill Team came out and I got the starter box and the compendium. I read the rules for nids and bought the models for Kill Team, painted them up and played with my friend. It took me 2 years to finish the other kill teams from the starter box, because every time I start playing nids no matter the 40k format....I just love them. They look cool and I like their playstyle. Having many different models that have a unique impact on the game is great. Right now with 10th edition I am building a full 2k Nids army. Everytime I look at the models I will buy eventually I giggle like a little girl ;-) I think it will be my Number 1 army for eternity, maybe I buy anther army for variety. I only play with a few friends and want to mix up the armies a bit. I did the same thing for Kill Team and have a dozends kill teams now.
As some one that is sick after painting 50+ SoB infantry.....painting SM is so relaxing
I'm glad you brought up WH3 making you fall in love with Khorne, because it did the same for me with Tzeentch. Seeing the spell effects, hearing the sounds, finally seeing horrors and flamers move and fight; it just made me fall for the aesthetic.
Same thing happened for me and the unclean one
I spent years painting dark grey power armour for my space wolves, so I chose craftworlds. It's very refreshing to switch up colour schemes on every unit, not only that but using bright colours aswell.
I bought the indom box and wanted to start marines, but I actually decided to jump into necrons first. This allowed me to learn how to paint, learn the game, and just overall develop my understanding of the hobby. Now i am starting my marines and they are coming along nicely, make them a custom character with its own lore and different color scheme and all
I actually look forward to this podcast. Just discovered y’all like a couple weeks ago. Good stuff. Funny as hell.
Really happy to see this podcast taking off. Easily my favorite warhammer podcast, and it’s always great having something to listen to at work to help pass the day.
🔥🎸🔥
I painted the space marine half of the Dark Imperium box set has Black Templars and ended up ( almost ) hating my painting scheme. Changed to a home-brew Primaris army that is still a joy to paint years later. I also have a Death Guard/Nurgle Demon army that's untouched that I'll do in a simple and artistic scheme. Looking forward to see what I come up with.
Thanks for the video!
I'm trying to get into tabletop warhammer 40k and I've been binging your videos, they are incredibly helpful!
When you were discussing 'make sure you like the whole range' I got flashbacks to my first great disappointment. My first army was Tau, back when it was just T'au and not T'au Empire. It only had like 2 options per force org slot, (one Tau, one Kroot), but I liked it, I loved the battlesuits and hovertanks and I loved the bit of lore where it basically said 'The Manta Missile Destroyer is the closest thing the Tau have to a Titan, because building a walker bigger than a bus is stupid, just build a tank or spaceship with big guns'. Fast forward a few editions and the most meta picks are Riptides and Stormsurges AKA mechs bigger than a bus, and my poor hovertanks are left to rust. Made me sad that my blue bois betrayed me. The good was greater enough already.
Started with Thousand Sons, then I played a friend's Iron Hands list, and I fell in love with the mechanized playstyle of Iron Hands & also I now get to run bunch of Dreadnoughts which are cool
I've been playing Black Templars for a while ended up changing over to Thousand Sons for something different and now I'm starting an Eldar army because i really enjoy the psychic phase
My two armies, aside from being imperium, are almost polar opposites. I started with blood angels. Melee focused, fairly tough, and red, black, and gold as the main colors. My next army was an Argent Shroud based order minoris of the battle sisters. Shooting focused, incredibly frail, and the main colors were blue, silver, and white.
My first army is Necrons, my second is T'au. I love expanding both of them, because they are so different to paint. I just do whatever army I feel like that day
I went from Imperial Guard to Custodes because I discovered my love of Melee, and now I'm a Khorne Daemons/WE player and super hyped for the new book
I found some pyrite cube beads for basing material and I just glue those to any base that needs weight to keep the model upright. Cheap, super dense for their size, and super cool looking unpainted or painted on a base.
I started three armies at the same time and five kill teams. I was into the hobby as a kid and just got back into it. I was just going to play Kill team but my son fell in love with Necrons.. so I got imperium magazine.. and then I bought a tenth box set with the tyranids.. so now I have Marines, Tyranids and Necrons all on the painting desk. I paint twenty miniatures at a time. I havent started the Nids yet but... I have finished three kill teams and each kill team makes me itch to buy a full army..
8:20 I just want to thank the editor for that amazing choice of waifu, really is perfect! 🤣
My second army actually happened to be my first collecting. Greenskin here through and through but when I started I knew ork refresh was around the corner so got death guard.
Death guard were solely due to how awesome nurglings are.
I started out with orks, added mechanicum caused I love the vibe, and now I started collecting krieg ecause I finally got my hands on resin printer. Weird thing is, I think Im enjoying 3d printing even more than assembling actual minis, as it gives me more freedom, which I absolutely love!
So I feel in love with Guilliman after reading Dark Imperium and as silly as this sounds I never even considered I could just get him instead of a full Ultramarine army to go along with him. Thanks for the common sense tip!
To me it's trying different playstyles. So if I choose a mellee focused army like the Black Templars as my first army, than I wanted for my second army to be a shooty one and went with the Tau Empire. So in the end I can decide what suits my mood best.
they had these great snapfit boxes for like 5-6 euros, and i bought spacemarines, Impguard and orks. painted them all and then went with spacemarines which i at the time thought was the most fun ones to paint. :)
I love you guys, been here since the space marine slander/hype and have been so glad to see you grow and I know you will even more keep it up guys! Between the advice and rants and everything, you guys are easily one of my favorite 40K channels keep it up! Also finding another grey knight player in this space is huge I feel like there’s all of 5 GK players
Amazing video! So how my second army started was basically the overlapping models sorta deal. My first army was tyranids and It was around the time the tooth and claw box set was out for preorder that I thought “huh a small detachment of human tyranid hybrids sounds so cool!” So with that I started GSC and then boom! They revealed the whole new range with their own codex and I was hooked. Sorta, when I was playing the cult alone I realized how much fire power and defence I lacked making me not wanna play them for a bit. Then bam! Thousand sons lol
I got space marines as my second I started as tau. I love them I just myself needed a change of pace for painting and got all my space marines I've gotten second hand I'm getting a like 600$ more this week for only 100$ your videos have helped me out a ton. Thank you.
I started with the Dark Vengeance box for many reasons. 1) it had a nice painting range 2) I love the lore of Dark Angels 3) if i wanted to use dark angels for a chaos army, the lore is very easy to understand, so conversion into a full chaos army was there 4) I had no freaking clue what army i wanted to play. I loved Necrons, Tyranids, andTau. I figured dipping my toes into something to see how it feels. Since then I have been playing CSM. I converted my Dark Angels to csm and got some Tzeentch deamons. After playing a little bit, csm and Deamons are very flexible. First off Deamons can be used in 40k and AoS. CSM can have space marines converted. Lore wise space marines could have turned to chaos and the mutations werent visible. especially if they were recently converted to chaos. Making the metal as fuck army very appealing. AoS I got the dominion box because of wanting to dip my toes in.. Storm Cast Externals are like playing Dank Souls. I just cant afford to have armies all over the place. But I love the painting aspect.
tl;dr I started with a box set, my recommendation to new players is, if its within your budget, start with a battle box that has two armies. As long as one side of the army is appealing, you can sell/trade off the other half.
My first army was Nids since I was introduced to 40K right before 10e, but my main issue with it is that it’s not an easy army to paint in that “you can’t make it look bad” but “this is for you to show off.”
Picked up the Orks Combat Patrol and my reasoning was “if it looks bad it’s funny” but in all honesty it was a meta chase
Now after being in the community for a year, I really want to get better at both the game and painting, and KSons feel like a good trial by fire. The main issue is I haven’t had time to paint anything with college
"Maybye don't start with 2k points, maybye start with a character model or something."
Yeah sure! **starts with Lord of Change model**
I have gotten back into Warhammer having been a floorhammer player back in 2003/2004 and started with the kill team recruit edition and a box of immortals to make a third kill team of necrons with my old 3rd edition necron warriors. I recently bought a box of hearthkyn warriors, not because I wanted to start Votann army, but because those lil guys looked like fun to paint with options for some cool color schemes. They arent part of an army or anything so I have the freedom to mix and match colors and not stress about matching them. I did the same with the veteran guardsmen to try some cool color schemes before building a Kill Team proper.
My second army was Dwarfs in Warhammer Fantasy because my grandparents neighbour heard I'd gotten into minis and saw a box with a load of minis in, that happened to be dwarfs, in a charity shop.
My main squeeze is Imperial Guard. I love how they play and they are generally quite strong. I also love big robots and power armor, so I ended up collecting Tau as a themed army (Farsight is one of my favorite characters so I have an Enclaves army), my Guard regiment hails from a feudal Knight World so I made a Knight house to go with them, and then I bought into Custodes at the start of 10th because they were quite strong and I could essentially have an entire army in a box. Plus, painting Custodes and Knights is just a treat because they're really pretty simple with the liquid metallics from Army Painter. And in the end, Guard gives me my complexity fix, and the other three armies are really quite simple to play, though Tau and Custodes still have their own finesse. Really just my favorite parts of the lore. I used to run Chaos and I love Chaos but my gosh THE TRIM is such a pain to paint.
You were scarily accurate about that admech knight pipeline… speaking from experience
First army selection was analysis paralysis - in the end I just went with which Lore I liked the most
i have two main armys: orks and space marines
started out with SM when i was 14, and the ease of learning how to play with them has lead me to enjoy having them just to give them to others to test stuff out.
sometimes i like hammering my opoonent with three land raiders :)
Orks started 5 years ago, and has been my favourite army ever since.
a bit more models to screw around with, silly things to do and a healthy dose of "i dont have to take myself seriously", both from tabletop and lore perspective.
aside from that i have several art pices, projects etc.
BeLakro was a must, that thing is just to awesome of a model
same goes for the vortex beast.
there is a knight, some harlequinns and admech for KillTeam, and even a a Squad of Impis and some sisters have slipped their way into that.
its great for narrative, firendly campaigns with friends who may not be able to afford warhammer, and gives enouigh options to mess around a bit when setting up their armys
i started with 2 armies, the indomitus box was my intro to warhammer. branching out to khorne + world eaters and imperial guard (printing these mostly tho)
I started with Tyranids, then moved into Real-Lords from AoS that I play as Ynnari Exodites, then started first-born Black Templar. The move from Nids was so I could paint something other then my really dark scheme (black skin, dark purple muscle, dark gold carapace, dark silver claws/teeth) that was tedious to paint. The move from Ynnari was mostly for gameplay reasons as to timing, my group just wanted something new to fight and Ynnari have some units which are mean. Black Templar will be my main army until 10th, then the tendrils of the hive fleet will reach back once more.
I started with Orks and continued for about 4 years, then decided to add in a small Thousand Sons force, with a bit more shooting than usual and just generally beefy. Enjoying it so far and love the choice between a horde of melee attacks or a gun line, tanky army (compared to Orks)
I *had* a 1000 point elites-heavy Space Wolves army before Arks dropped, and I had changed the color scheme of the units halfway through. Now I'm going back and painting individual panels of armor the color of the other half for better cohesion. Also, it IS my first army so don't judge. Tldr: I'm always coming back to my older models.
I started off with Tyranids going into 10e, and with the Leviathan box being a necessary purchase I knew I had to get SM on some level. I figured that Sallies would work well as that opposite force, and Tzeentch sounds fun for AoS while completing the trifecta of Xenos/Imperium/Chaos
Starting with Tyranid just earlier this year, I have no plans for a second army anytime soon. Though I have thought about it a lot. Started with Custodes of course to go from swarm to elite. Once that meme wore off I thought about my second choice, Thousand Sons, but they’re ultimately the second choice to an army I already have. Then I realized I really want to paint a vehicle, and orks look the coolest, but I can be satiated by just buying a stompa and avoiding another horde army. Currently thinking either knights for vehicles and time efficiency. And of course this is likely to change in the near future.
first army was guard due to darktide fever, just started my second with knights, mostly because i can ally them or play them solo. already planning number three as imperial agents, that way i can have more plug and play between all three
Thousands sons is my current art project and its going to be them being turned to the dust in all is dust.
Your two points of more or less "you start to dislike your first army" and "finding what contrasts your current army" is what determined my second army. I got into 40k back in... Seventh edition? With Death Guard, before they were their own faction. Stuck with them throughout the years but never collected a lot of models, veered into Nurgle Demons ultimately. Loved me some disgustingly resilient rolls, but was starting to be bothered by the absolute slow trudging up the board; every game felt like my strategy had to be the same regardless. And then 9th edition Chaos Demons codex happened, and, well... Yeah. There's very little reason for me to even put my plaguebearers on the table now. So, I saw it as an opportunity to get into something else, along with some revived love of the game from a Tyrranid friend getting ricidulous hyped on leviathan box splits. Decided to go into the army i had been eyeing both from aesthetic/flavor reasons, and different playstyle to nurgle entirely, and now I'm playing Genestealer cults. Entirely different tactics just in even building the army or selecting models; it's been a good change of pace.
Made the Nid friend EXTRA excited too. We're hoping to make some extra flavorful crusade games now.
I got into blood angels because I liked the initial lore and my friends who already played told me about their play style. Then some ppl had extra models to sell me for like $20 and others showed me how to paint, basically I was the freshman who everyone saw getting into it and then did something to help get me into it. Fast forward to the launch of 8th and I’ve got like 7-8k and just custodes dropped and immediately I said gimme, because I had just gotten done reading master of mankind and it was great.
One of the reasons I started with Aeldari is the fact that they can fuse with Drukhari and Harlequin's. If don't feel like collecting Aeldari anymore, I can just jump to Drukhari.
Excellent work as always gentlemen
For me my second army are Nids. I was finishing up a Black Templars, and needed a break from Black models. The Leviathan box hit at just the right moment.
I had a solid plan for my armies. First finish the tyranid army I started many years ago when I tried to get into the game but had no money. Then second was do a genestealer cult army. and then my third army would be either Orks(because I just love the look and lore about them), Admech(I really like cyborg/cyberneticbodyhorror kinda stuff) or Imperial guard but kitbash them to be like Imperial Navy Marines with like old time scuba gear and stuff.
But then the genestealer cults lost the ability to ally the nids which took them from an easy second pick to a Hmmm maybe still my second pick.