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So it would appear you don't know enough about the iron hands and that's why you crap on them so hard. Ferrus was poorly written and yes their lore there isn't a ton of it. Name one other legion that had one of their chapters take out a splinter fleet of tyranids on their own. Also without ferrus who was easily one of the strongest primarchs all the other primarchs wouldn't have been as cool because the emperor had him train them. Ferrus was loved by most of his brother primarchs and both sides wanted him so that's why he had to die. Ferrus was taken out by a deamon sword that took over fulgrim and empowered him. The emperor was also taken down by a chaos empowered horus.
I am so delighted at how badly your Dark Angels section has aged. Primarch✅ Upscaled Terminators✅ Confirmed Codex release✅ I also like how the Lion’s redemption arc is coming along as well. He’s accepted (some) of his failures and acknowledges that a lot of the fallen were misled by Luther and actually had no idea why they were firing on him when he came back to Caliban. He is still kind of a dick though. Whatever you do, don’t make fun of his tiny human-sized bed.
It's also great if you want to do some kitbashing, but don't want to do a whole army. Like, you want to add a bunch of Space Wolf paraphernalia. Stick it on a Deathwatch model, and he'll fit right in with the rest. Deathwatch is the army of the weirdos, all in one.
Deathwatch, the only space marine chapter where the joke "A Marines Malevolent and a Salamander walk into a bar..." is not only canon, but also probably happens on a daily basis.
@@MekBoooooi you and I are of the same mind - the ADHD leads me to constantly jump from chapter to chapter force to force. "oh look, here's a random quote b this guy" [6hrs later] "my new favourite chapters are Flesh Tearers, Black Dragons, Red Hunters. but I also really want to do an Invictor before turning into The Unhallowed (and maybe one after)"
Counterpoint to not needing a Jaghatai when Gman exists in 40k! It would be really funny watching Guilliman constantly being reminded how bad the Imperium and Emperor are and just having Jaghatai cackling in the background knowing he was right 10k years ago and is even more right in 40k.
It also be fun to see that Jaghatai is all about freedom and living how you want to, coming back at the same time as Vulcan and Jag doing more for the individual imperial citizen
And then for Christmas they put him in a Battleforce box alongside JUST BIKES. He was the ONLY model without wheels, and primaris BARELY use wheels to begin with. It's as stupid as it is funny honestly. Meanwhile the White Scars guy in the named Deathwatch Kill Team box is the only one *with* a bike... that has to move at the speed of the Salamanders terminator guys in regulkar 40k, and can't be brought as an independant model in actual Kill Team due to being a vehicle. Lmao.
Deathwatch are definitely unique -- they're only called a "chapter" for a lack of a better name, despite having no single main fortress, no single leader/master/primarch, completely deviating from the codex astartes, frequently committing varying flavors of heresy, allowing literal vagrant and reject marines (black shields) into their ranks, having WAY more numbers at a given time than any other chapter, and of course never really having a "founding" but rather being hobbled together as an impromptu weapon for the inquisition against aliens. Their lore is a mess and their line of models is comically neglected (just like grey knights) but I love them lol
I think of them kinda like Space Marine special forces. Elite veterans pulled from various units to create small tactical teams comprised of a wide variety of skills and experience.
It’s criminal who bad Grey Knights have been ignored. They’re one of the coolest factions and I know would have a popularity boom if they’d get an update
There's a word for what the Deatwatch is, the militant chamber of the Ordo Xenos. Just like the Grey Knights are the militant chamber of the Ordo Malleus (which deals with demons) and Sisters of Battle the one of the Ordo Hereticus. So yeah, they're not codex compliant, because they belong to the Inquisition ˆˆ
Keep in mind that Vulkan is a perpetual. It's highly unlikely he'd every be dead-dead. Having said that, the lore for him is that he will only return once all nine of the relics he hid throughout the galaxy are recovered by the chapter and that his return at that point will be because basically the whole universe is in deep shit (a.k.a. the final hours of the Empire of Man). So yeah, sadly GW will likely never bring him back which is kinda bullshit because he really is the best Primarch (yes yes, I'm a Salamander player so I'm biased, blah blah blah, it's still an objective fact LOL).
He’s the kindest Primarch, not the best. Although “best” is subjective. People think Conrad Curze is the best Primarch. My problem with Vulkan and the Salamanders is that their kindness is a weakness. They prioritize protecting civilians over mission accomplishment, which can sometimes lead to greater casualties. For (an easily watched and understood) example, in the animation about Grimaldus, they refused to leave some civilians in order to help the Black Templars kill the Ork Warboss. Their reason was that they had to protect the innocent hundred or so people. However, by refusing to leave them to help strike a killing blow that would have ended the conflict, it inadvertently led to hundreds of thousand of more civilian deaths, quite possibly even the few they temporarily saved.
I haven"t watched that animation, but in the novel it's adapted from, the whole thing is basically a sacrificial bait to lure the Orks while the rest of the Marines prepare a counter attack. Even killing that War Boss would not have saved the city, nothing could have saved the city, they were like two hundreds Astartes versus the biggest Waaaagh! of the history of the Imperium exceot maybe the War of the Beast XD
The Maltese Cross, the one the Black Templars use, was used by the Knights Hospitaliar, which were actually combat medics and protectors of pilgrims during the crusades. The Knights Hospitaliar were actually the most beloved faction in the crusades - yes, a very rich irony that their cross be used by the Black Templars.
Also the Black Templars are supposed to be based on the Templars, so should have a Patty cross, not a Maltese one ˆˆ As for the Hospitaliers, they were doctors (their name come from the fact that they had hospitals in all their monasteries to help and heal pilgrims), but they rapidly formed knights and soldiers just like the Templars ˆˆ So the christians pilgrims probably loved them, the other habitants, I don't know XD Also, after fleeing the Holy Land, they pretty much became pirates in Cyprus, then Rhodes and finally Malta. They still had hospitals, but their main occupation was to attack and steal things from muslims (and sometimes christians) ships to continue the Crusade XD Fun fact they still exist today, although just as an hospitalier order of monks, they stopped their military activities after Bonaparte took their island of Malta ˆˆ
@@lordofthepigs888I think the irony is that it was not the symbol of the other well-known historical sect of knights, the knights templar. They got their name and general vibe from the templars, but adopted the iconic symbol of the wrong order.
I'm still not sure why being zealous about killing xenos makes them "the bad guys". It's not like the xenos are trying the kill humanity or anything like that.
@@leos8813 well is more humanity recovered and got super genocidal when the other races weren’t genocidal just expansionist and slavery. They’re the bad guys for basically becoming space nazis with swords. Compare them to something like the nightswatch from game of thrones or the imperial fist or crimson fist chapters. They’re very devoted to defending their charges and post not pillaging developing pre space races and minor space faring civilisation. They’re not the bad guys for being passionate, they’re the bad guys for punching down and down and down. The xenos (minus like the nids) are small potatoes compared to chaos. If they pooled their forces and went after like a major necron faction that would be different, that might make a difference. But people who are passionate about their cause rarely use rational reasoning.
@leos8813 The Templars are bad because they are an embodiment of why the Imperium is bad. Uncompromising religious fanatacism, authoritarian, and xenophobic. Remember, there are plenty of xenos out there that bear no ill will towards humanity. They just don't get miniatures.
@leos8813 The reason BT are bad is because they are the embodiment of what's horrific about the Imperium. For every actual Chaos cult or Xenos threat the Templars have put down, they've also put twenty harmless sects and aliens who just wanted to be left alone to the sword. You just don't see it on the tabletop because those kinds of factions don't survive long enough to get models, but they certainly exist in the lore. Unfortunately, a lack of ability to recognize that is why BT players have a higher likelihood of being the worst kind of people who play SM, and I say that as someone who collects BT.
@@gingerlicious3500 Putting down "harmless" sects isn't something exclusive to BT -- not by a longshot. Also, in the 40K Universe, what starts out as "harmless" can quickly be corrupted by the forces of Chaos.
Iorn Hands could have been so much more if Ferrus had not just been a Fulgrim plot device. - though i do like his dislike of his sons' obsession with cutting parts of themselves off. I would like more successors for them and more lore
I see their whole aggressive transhumanism as being a part of their failure to emotionally process their Primarch's death. They're brainwashed child soldiers who are taught only to feel anger. Of course they didn't take Daddy's death well. They act like robots because rejecting their emotions is easier than confronting their pain. I will agree that the Legion that was the most clannish, who shattered into many pieces post-Ferrus Manus, should really have more varied Chapters.
I think they realized early on that Ferrus was too similar to Perturabo and they deided to pick one. This is also why the lore says there was a misunderstanding between the two of them when they first met that caused them to never speak to or interact with each other ever again. Convenient.
Raven Gaurd has arguably the strongest "normal space marine" Sharrowkyn is the only person in the 40k universe to genuinely defeat Lucious, to the point where Chaos brought him back rather than his armour! Top tier OG! Me loves Sharrowkyn!!!! ❤️
I understand where you are coming from on the matter of disliking Imperial Fists. At first sight, they do seem a rather too simple chapter. However, if you go deeper, they are so unique, in their own special way. To put it short, they are the symbol of defiance and sturborness, a immovable object, not willing to break, which shows when not a single one Fist fell to Chaos or even felt tempted during the Horus Heresy.
They are the most badass og chapter and by far my favourite. Their successors chapter, the crimson fists almost went extinct because of them being so unwilling to give up, they always stand and fight no matter the odds.
No Ultramarines or Space Wolves fell to Chaos during the Heresy either. But during the War of the Beast almost an entire chapter of Fist successors joined the Iron Warriors (the chapter of the new, fake Fists' leader). But hey. Enjoy your chapter that was actually exterminated and cobbled back together from successors. At least the other core 8 have never been wiped out.
Raven Guard are the reasonable marines and get forgotten for it, which suits us just fine. Let the fists build walls and the ultras polish their armor, RG save planets quietly and dip.
Damn I like Space Marines and I like Imperial Fists and I first learned about Rogal Dorn from canon sources and I feel very attacked in this video about how space marines are the best faction.
This is interesting observation I noticed. There four type of people. Who enjoy both Wolfes and TS. Two biased Groups who demonize one side while hyping the other. And haters/don't bother for both legions or chapters. I think even Iron warriors and Fists don't have such clear divide.
@@mrksimka1159 that is something I also noticed and it’s pretty funny, I’m also a space wolves player and I love the thousands sons theme and easy second favorite traitor but iron warriors won me over bit more thanks to lore
Watching this 5 months after it came out and watching the section about the dark angels and the lion and they’ve released the Lion almost right after this came out is hilarious
Imperial fists are a bit like "custodians: the contrast method" cheaper looking, mass produced, last bastion (tm). That and people use yellow to contrast paint gold, doesn't look great. Hope you all have a Merry Christmas!
Just some clarification. Corax being a daemon is more of a meme. Reading the text, it appears he’s just got really amped up warp powers because he’s in the warp. No actual daemon transformation.
I don’t know if you realized this, but in Darktide if you use the Zealot Preacher special ability one of the voice lines is “Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the Golden Throne!”
Raven guard also bring something that most other chapters: different enemies. While most space marine chapters are directed against threats from without, they also act in some way like the Inquisition in that they will strike down tyrants and those who have misused their powers. Lore wise, that's pretty much all the defence I can provide. Tabletop wise, the way they wage war just doesn't work. They excel at the soft factors of war - logistics, leadership, communications etc. By the time a raven guard player actually gets to the table, the enemy will have minimal ammunition and fuel, local commanders and communication centres destroyed, and so on. At that point, its not a battle its a massacre which is how the raven guard should be. In war if you are in a fair fight then you've done something wrong
It’s not their fault gw gave everything to the dark angels. They’re the rules equivalent of lore ultramarine. The raven wing is what the white scars should be and white scars should have a karn in speeder. Also death wing is just an odd mix of iron hands or salamanders and space wolves. They don’t have an identity they’re heavy amour, speed, plasma weapons, melee focus, character killing, and proficient in at firing while engaged in combat. Did I mention they’re also sneaky FBI agents who are master interrogators.
@@dittmar104 i love the DA.....but I cannot dispute this In an alternate universe GW made WS non-codex compliant and gave them fun things leading to more writing etc. I can imagine the Kharn saying to G-man "you're codex is narrow and derrivative, it will lead to stagnation of military skill, we will do as we see fit. If you don't like it.....catch me"
@@daryljackson6088 sanguinary guard are really strong in game. Also I wasn’t saying adding a unit would make scars stronger, I said it would help market them better
@Dark O-man Sanguinary Guard are great but it doesn't keep blood angels from being weak. I accept that it would help sell white scars. Unique models got me into BA.
Blood Ravens, now and forever. Even when I played SM I painted them in the Blood Ravens colors, mainly because my introduction to 40k was through Dawn of War, but also because it's a pretty cool paint scheme and their lore was also neat.
Regarding the Black Templar, you might thinking of the Iron Cross of Germany, which has nothing to do with the Swastika. The Nazis introduced the Balkenkreuz for the Wehrmacht which looks like a big fat Plus. The Iron Cross is much older and also hasn’t been used as a identification symbol for the Nazis and thus is clean and even still gets used by the German military.
27:40 to me the old school tactical marine was one of the most standout features of 40K I like the fact that you'd have to dislocate both of your hips in order to wear the Power Pants.
I'm gonna imagine that Vulkan had been back for millennia by this point. We do know from his last appearance that he was fed up with what the Imperium had become, and decided to just fuck off into hiding, only to return during the War of the Beast to fulfill an oath he swore to protect Caldera.
Black Templars are my favorite, I love the crusader aesthetic, love the Emperor's Champion, love Helbrecht, love the Teutonic Order emblem, norman helmet. Really suprised you didn't mention anything about wanting to play sororitas but already having bought primaris marines.
i feel there is a bit more to the iron hands in terms of lore and character, where basically after the heresy and for a long time after they all has a prescribed case of "survivors guilt" or something. they augmented themselves because they thought flesh was weak, they would eventaully get emotion limitation in their brains to be more "logical", with one of the core reasons being they blame their primarchs death, on their primarch, because he let his emotions get past killing Fulgrim. which EVENTUALLY get's turned against them with a slanneshi demon, and they're now slowly regaining their humanity. they also have a group that are...dead? revived? something but they're creepy even to their current chapter master. ALSO the cross and the templars are based on the Teutonic Order, yes a german order of templars, but an order that NEVER sides with *those guys*
The cross the black templars use is the one used by the knightly order The Knights Hospitallar during the crusades. The other one is the iron cross which was most used during the first World War, so whichever way you cut it, it's not problematic. Now someone who doesn't know a thing about history might confuse the first and second world war, but they're misunderstandings are inconsequential. Y'all are safe
Ultramarines - you like vanilla. Blood angels - you like strawberry. Dark angels - you like chocolate and mint. Salamanders - either you into flamethrowers, color green or a normie who buy into the only good marines. Iron hands - you need to play necrons or Admech. Raven guard - you are a 90's kid. Imperial fists - you either american, German or like military. White scars - you like bikes. Spae wolves - you either of Nordic decent or like this whole Viking brutal bad boys culture and folklore.
Salamanders “we’re the good guys!” casually ignores the ultra marines, red scars, space wolves, and blood angels, like pretty much half of the loyalist first founding chapters who are known for being pretty dang honorable. heck, its only really the dark angels and iron hands who are known for being all that ruthless. And its only the iron hands who make that a general prerogative, dark angels tend to keep that overkill stuff to things involving the fallen.
The disgust and pain in Brad’s voice when he introduced the Space Wolves is palpable and I’m all here for it. (I’m on the Ksons side in this battle, I love psykers and guess which chapter has lots of psykers?)
Celestial Lions are an Imperial Fists successor that are actually just really nice, they also have a really amazing aesthetic with their whole theme, sadly they are practically all dead in lore. Their colours are pretty cool, they have lion pelts for cloaks, special headpieces for specific units, Powerpacks with Lion heads, if you manage to kitbash and 3D print for them you will have an amazing looking army, they also have unique rank names for their Chapter, like pridemaster, prideleader, Spiritwalker, they are the only reason I play an Imperial Fist successor else I'd just play White Scars
Funny to hear you guys talk about BT I like them because they are the offshoot chapter Sigismund founded and he was a straight BAMF. Also love the tabards and the feeling of being an eternal crusader. Also Black and white is a striking color scheme when you start painting spots of red on their Tabards.
@@ffejpsycho If I remember well, they're supposed to be pretty, Sanguy was the most beautiful of all primarchs, that goes well with the all vampire art lover shtick
There’s really good warhammer book called “the eye of terror” and the subplot is about a dark angle discovering the fallen. It’s from 1999. Glad to see nothing has changed.
I was cursed from the start: I got into 40k through playing Deathwatch and I picked Raven Gaurd bc I love stealth and goth aesthetics. Then I found out about their lack of lore Then my character died bc I crit failed on a warp effects table and got sucked into the immaterium
As a (future, the upcoming abbadon and co box looks fantastic) csm player, the only chapter of sm I would consider building is blood ravens, but going all-in on the meme. "That venerable dreadnought that looks like space wolves' one WAS GIFTED" "Ultramarines are such a bros, they given our bladeguards swords" "The flamers? Totally given by Salamanders" "Grey knights absolutely given us those terminator armours, why do you ask?"
This but unironically, I really hope Blood Ravens get unmarried from the Relic games (they're done now anyway) and get their own rules, even just as a side book. Lean into the meme full time and make them the loyalist 30k-era Alpha Legion, it would be so brutally hilarious.
Something I’ve wanted to do for years now is make a “redeemed” deathwatch squad with one of each of the chaos chapters. Either loyalists who joined or chaos members not too far gone all in their 30k colors. Each representing the best of their respective chapters. Is this an excuse for loyalist noisemarine? Probably.
When I heard "Iron Hands giving themselves iron hands" I couldn't help but imagine some cybernetically enhanced space marine circlejerk and from there laughed every time you repeated Iron Hands. The whole iron hands spiel was pure gold.
There's actual character development in the supplement codex for Iron Hands chapter they've come a long way since 6th edition and 8th edition codex supplements....but yeah
Listening to (presumably) a chaos main do this is hilarious. Thanks for the ep. Also total agree on iron hands being the favorite for the same reason, only disagree on not wanting ferrus back- because if they bullshit their way to him being back we might actually have ferrus lore...
As a primarily thousand sons player, I appreciate the defense of our world and the reminder that the wolves are just war criminals. My first army was Black Templars and I chose them because i wanted to go hard into the knights and crusades. I still enjoy the army to some degree but I just enjoy my thousand sons more. I might go back and buy some of the special unit refresh since I don’t have sword brethren or Grimaldus yet
Love me some blood angels really wish we got some primaris jump pack melee units by now or an upgraded sanguinary guard at least. But if we get intercessors with jetpacks like we got intercessors in gravis armor I have high hopes for some real fun Blood Angel lists.
Favorite thing about Ultramarines succession is they seem to have absorbed loyalist elements of the traitors. Minotaursb being world eater's for example
@@Jfk2Mr No, they weren't. The 'Minotaurs are Iron Warriors' thing is a weird meme that seemed to come around by some dubious correlation that both Minotaurs and IW are kinda Greek in Aesthetic. Whereas when Minotaurs first got special rules back in the 2000s (in a White Dwarf article), their ability was literally the the same as the Mark of Khorne at the time (Death Guard also got a Cursed Founding equivalent, The Sons of Anteus, but FW didn't pick them up later to boost their profile). As for Mindset? Not really, as far as I'm aware the Minotaurs don't get portrayed with the same fundamental bitterness that characterises the IW. The Minotaurs are 'just' serious Marines that will throw down with absolutely anyone the High Lords tell them to. Of all the Legions they're probably closest to the Great Crusade era Wolves than anything else... Marines Malevolent are just dicks, and tbh it would actually make them significantly less interesting imo if they were secret Traitor gene-seed.
Might just be my opinion but I think it's safe to say The Black Library managed to make the lion interesting! I decided to start painting a dark angels army after listening to the book on his return (as well as him clapping Angron in AoO)
I just got into it at the release of 10th. Bought a Leviathan Box and a bunch of other random factions 2nd hand unpainted (mostly a few Kill Teams because my goal is to get them painted up and have a selection for my friends to choose from so we can play - they’re STARTING to succumb to the idea after my intense persuasion over the last couple months haha). I’m rambling but I wanted to say the 2 factions I’ve fallen in love with are firstly Blood Angels. I’ve always loved vampires and their lore just fascinates me. I love all their characters.. the primarch (rip) who is by far the coolest of them all, Dante.. Mephiston.. they’re all dope. And secondly Black Templars. I think they have the coolest aesthetic.. like being CHAINED PERMANENTLY to your weapons.. that’s just bad ass. Also about 20 years ago when I was a tiny sprog, my mum had taken me into a GW store and bought me a small starter set and one of the workers there recommend me to make them Black Templars so he primed them all black for me and painted one up quickly to show me the scheme to follow. So yeah, one I have a soft spot for who I think also look bad ass, and the other I’m just totally in love with the lore. There really is a faction or race for EVERYONE, that’s one of the awesome things about the hobby. Like I have an Ork Kill Team, who are growing on me massively - they just seem so fun. And I have an Adeptus Mechanicus Kill Team which, again, are just bad ass. Sorry, I could go on forever - I’m still in the honeymoon faze of the hobby and feel like a kid in a candy store, truly.
I got in at the end of 9th edition playing Necrons, but have incidentally gotten a pretty big force of space marines as well. I am trying to decide what to paint them as, also between Blood Angels and Black Templars. With similar reasons to you as well. Love the angels lore, love the templars looks and their lore is also pretty cool (what I have seen of it)
To my knowledge, neither the Iron Cross nor the Maltese Cross are strictly offensive. Iron Cross is used in Military Medals, and the Maltese Cross is a symbol of courage/ protection used by Bikers.
The Lion will be back and playable soon. I'm a Blood Angels player primarily and I have a bunch Dark Angels stuff so I'll be making an army of them too. Probably also the Salamanders. Blood Angels aren't just vampires, they are also renaissance Catholics. In terms of Blood Angels and no primarch we do also have The Sanguinor who is probably part of Sangunius returned or something. Vulkan being an Eternal kinda makes it hard to justify not bringing him back. I think they are eventually going to bring back at least all the ones that are still alive.
It's an inevitability I promise. It's just about "when?" The hour long episodes have been 3 back to back (after I post the current one) so it'll be at least a few weeks before the next subfaction episode. CSM is in the top 3 we have been tossing around the idea of so it's probably within a few months at worst.
@@thepoorhammerpodcastGenuinely, I need to hear your hype pitch for the traitor Primarchs, because some of them (all of them?) have the reason they're the worst and the reason they're great being the same damn thing.
Found this on Reddit about Raven Guard: Raven Guard aren't emo, there Native American Dreadnoughts and senior officers are seen as elders of the chapter, trusted with their history and culture and known to possess the ability to communicate with Corax’s spirit. They have a Counting Coup system - Called the Rites of Shadow, this is a series of rituals/tasks that a marine will accomplish (while being overseen by a Chaplain) to gain honor and move up in the ranks. Raven Guard carry medicine bags - called Corvia - of bird skulls, feathers and other trinkets he’s collected over time that are seen as an extension of his spirit. It is buried with him so his spirit can find peace in addition to his body. Aspirants undergo vision quests as part of their training. I know it’s not the most overt thing in the world, but hey there’s more support to it than Shrike having a bad haircut. There's also a lot of smaller things I could mention but did not for brevity.
I will admit I am new to the Warhammer universe lore and I'm only here because of the space marine 2 game. I was interested, however, to see if we Native Americans were given a seat at the table since I see many different cultures sprinkled throughout the chapters.
I’m sure I’m late to the party, but you’re right - the Black Templars rock the Maltese Cross, which is NOT problematic; the Maltese Cross is a symbol used the world over by fire services.
Hey so I’m totally new to the channel and I love the video, definitely a good hype vid for a lot of the chapters. As a Space Wolves Veteran of 7 years tho I just wanted to throw out a few things I felt were missing. If you want to play a space marine chapter that hits like a freight train in melee this is the chapter realistically to do it. We aren’t particularly fast like Blood angels, Raven Guard, or Black Templars. Yet, when we make it to combat all of our Thunder Hammers, Power and Chain fists, and any other unwieldy melee weapon will hit at normal profiles(+3 to hit on a T-hammer is nasty!!). And all our other weapons hit on a base +1, which with can be further modified to a +2 in some cases. We have one of the coolest new primaris HQs in Ragnar Blackmane, dope model and hits like a truck. We also have 2 unique dreadnaught characters(Bjorn and Murderfang), the only chapter to have 2 playable names dreads in 40K. And we are one of only two to have an additional legion specific dreadnaught in our Wulfen Dreads. I know you gave a lot of grief to Wulfen in the video as well, but at bear minimum they are a FANTASTIC source of bits including storm shields, very unique thunder hammers and lightning/frost axes, and even have cool lightning/frost claws that have a number of uses. And at best they are a blender of a unit on the table that If they can touch something they will cut right through it like a hot knife through butter. We also have the fastest and toughest chapter master in Logan Grimnar on Stormrider. Very cool model IMO and due to his terminator armor is really quite a tough SOB. Lastly yea we have old model kits but the parts in those kits are awesome!!!! The blood law box comes with METRIC TONS of different head, weapon, armor, and shoulder pad options plus a good amount of extra bits as well. Mind you ALL OF THE BITS are space wolfy as all get out, so of all the factions listed we have some of the best upgrade kits build into units you are already going to be building for the army as it is. We also have a flyer with 3 different options for how to build it. Lastly, our units tend to have the highest variety of different weapon options. I know for a fact our terminators have the most options for any terminator in the game, our Thunderwolf Cav can be built with any major of melee, ranged, or even some special weapons found in the space wolves arsenal of kits. Our basic troops box(blood claw/grey hunter) can be built as everything from those troops, to long fangs with a very easy conversion using the MK6 weapons kits, to wolf guard, and hell even to sky claws and jump pack wolf guard if you order jump packs online. All in all a super cool faction that I have loved for years now and definitely worth the time of anyone interested. Vlka Fenryka!
NGL, I ship Yvraine and the Rowboat. The potential that that might be cannon someday is just about the only thing that keeps me interested in 40k these days.
Sanguineous is dead dead …… all the while there’s a warp entity who looks like sanguinious that revived Dante who got penetrated by the swarm lords sword all the way through (dat big sword) they talk Dante calls him dad the warp entity calls Dante son. Then mephiston gets one of the two angels that at one point made up sangs soul bound to him by said warp entity. Mephiston calls him dad and while he tells him that he’s not sang he then proceeds to tell mephiston that things that were not possible before are possible now. Then we get godblight telling us that if somtning is worshiped enough eventually a warp god will be created from it and next to the big E sang is worshiped and venerated as if he were Christmas, New Year’s, and Easter all wrapped up into one. Hell magnus spoke about sang in the present-tense. All the primarch’s are coming back they make too much money to not come back ….. literally all of them hell the writing bent over backwards to even bring back ferus in one way or another
The Black Templars’ insignia is based on the heraldry of the Knights Hospitaller, a knightly order that fought in the crusades. Though they were warriors, they were also known and respected for the medical care they provided to pilgrims, soldiers, and civilians, as well as their efforts in helping the poor. Despite sharing iconography, I doubt the Hospitallers would wholly approve of the Black Templars. The one you referred to as “problematic” is, I assume, the Iron Cross, which is a symbol of the German military. It’s commonly associated with the Third Reich, but it was actually in use long before they rose to power and is actually still in use today, though it maintains a bad reputation due to how it was used in WW2 and how “wehraboos” still use it today.
The fact that the "strongest space marine p[syker" debate is between Mephiston and Tigurius, but not The Chief Stormseer Saghari - like why does he not get a novel considering the WS are a major psyker chapter...but no Ultramarine Psyker is actually stronger cos reasons
@@darko-man8549 I know very little of Saghari, can't find much on the internet either. I have read almost all the BA books though and am of the opinion that post Rubicon Mephiston is just on a different level, literally teleporting himself and other librarians through the warp without any tech, stopping time for a moment and a few other honestly insane feats.
@@rayvg7709 see that's my point, there's fuck all on him. And I'm just here like: "there are three factions that are pro-psyker WS, TKsons, BA....why is there not more Saghari?"
When I first started collecting years ago I went with black templars cause their color scheme and the idea of always crusading, never limiting their numbers, and not using psykers was really badass. Now Im older and love the Salamanders being a much more 'human' chapter comparatively (and flamers whoo love me some flamers).
I just got into the hobby myself and Salamanders are the faction i picked. I got 1300 points worth the so far painted and i got Vulkan He'stan on order. I know my list wont be meta but should be fun to play
Blood Angels are my favorite way to play space marines because the combination of incredible melee prowess and blinding speed is just *fun*. White Scars come in close second because you can base successors for them off any of the many nomadic horse-riding civilizations of the Eurasian Steppe.
found this channel today and im so happy its actually available as a podcast. So hard to find some interesting and very easy listening (and clear clean audio) for a podcast to listen to on commutes
I feel like it’s very easy to say that the Raven Guard are emo, but how is that applicable considering that their main deal is sticking to the rejection of religious iconography and the religious empowering of the emperor, and strong belief in honor and vengeance for their primarch? The lore isn’t necessarily bustling with flavor but it’s good enough to add your own interpretation to it and it’s not hard to interpret the result of Istvaan III and V..
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You forgot to say this at the end of the episode didn’t you
So it would appear you don't know enough about the iron hands and that's why you crap on them so hard. Ferrus was poorly written and yes their lore there isn't a ton of it. Name one other legion that had one of their chapters take out a splinter fleet of tyranids on their own. Also without ferrus who was easily one of the strongest primarchs all the other primarchs wouldn't have been as cool because the emperor had him train them. Ferrus was loved by most of his brother primarchs and both sides wanted him so that's why he had to die. Ferrus was taken out by a deamon sword that took over fulgrim and empowered him. The emperor was also taken down by a chaos empowered horus.
I feel like you overlooked the coolest chapter aka the emperors spears. Space wolves without the wolves
Great video as always!!!
Vulture-Raven Demon is easy... take an old Lord of Change model and paint it black. :)
I am so delighted at how badly your Dark Angels section has aged.
Primarch✅
Upscaled Terminators✅
Confirmed Codex release✅
I also like how the Lion’s redemption arc is coming along as well. He’s accepted (some) of his failures and acknowledges that a lot of the fallen were misled by Luther and actually had no idea why they were firing on him when he came back to Caliban. He is still kind of a dick though. Whatever you do, don’t make fun of his tiny human-sized bed.
And he did come back at a very plot convenient moment
The Lion's new writing is fantastic. 10k year nap did wonders for him.
Yeah!!
But the codex sucked and DA were even more nerfed(((
He was right that the Lion got old quickly.
Raven Guard are so stealthy that they can hide from your memory.
The correct way to play Raven Guard is to play Carcharodons and buy Tyberos from Forge World
@@madisonkung8390forge world Tyberos is tiny, get a third party one
@@madisonkung8390 Don't you mean Raven Lords?
How is dat posuble? Dez got no purpl on em? Lol
Who?
Deathwatch is great because I can wake up in the morning and say "I want to paint this colour scheme" and just put it in the army
It's also great if you want to do some kitbashing, but don't want to do a whole army. Like, you want to add a bunch of Space Wolf paraphernalia. Stick it on a Deathwatch model, and he'll fit right in with the rest. Deathwatch is the army of the weirdos, all in one.
Deathwatch, the only space marine chapter where the joke "A Marines Malevolent and a Salamander walk into a bar..." is not only canon, but also probably happens on a daily basis.
Also if ya got ADHD like me you can kitbash everything, do any chapter and make jank list
@@MekBoooooi you and I are of the same mind - the ADHD leads me to constantly jump from chapter to chapter force to force. "oh look, here's a random quote b this guy" [6hrs later] "my new favourite chapters are Flesh Tearers, Black Dragons, Red Hunters. but I also really want to do an Invictor before turning into The Unhallowed (and maybe one after)"
Yo for real. Deathwatch vets is still my favorite kit cause of the potential. I even make DW vets using every type of SM armor
Brad I hate to break it to you but you are a space marine player. Ksons may be chaos but still space marines lol.
This comment can't stop me because I can't read!
@@thepoorhammerpodcast Just like Dorn lol
@@thepoorhammerpodcast dissapointed Magnus sounds.
@@thepoorhammerpodcast I just got ahrmin at my local shop buy he's missing the base
@@kennetheisenbraun5217 * cool, definitely not cringe, growling noises *
Counterpoint to not needing a Jaghatai when Gman exists in 40k! It would be really funny watching Guilliman constantly being reminded how bad the Imperium and Emperor are and just having Jaghatai cackling in the background knowing he was right 10k years ago and is even more right in 40k.
That would be amazing
He'd also might be good non traitor primarch adversary for Guilliman
Would be the perfect way to have a renegade chapter that doesn't immediately go chaos
@@lightning1605 I see the Lion being more of a rival, perhaps wanting to do things his own way rather than what Gman is doing as regent.
It also be fun to see that Jaghatai is all about freedom and living how you want to, coming back at the same time as Vulcan and Jag doing more for the individual imperial citizen
""I survived. By being dead. In pretend."
TTS Dorn is genuinely one of the best things in all of 40k
This is fact.
Him showing up as basically the emperor's armored teddy bear😂
"Hmmmm.....magic pain glove."
"I AM REINSTALLING THE PALACE!"
-TTS Dorn
What is TTS?
As a Guard player, I can confirm that Russ is named after our tanks
He is a Guard general after all.
😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍🏻🎅👍🏻
As a space wolf player, I can also vouch that Russ is named after your tanks
I love how GW released Primaris bikes and were like “hey! He’s a white scars primaris character!” AND HE WASN’T ON A BIKE!!!
See also the Horus Heresy Jaghatai Khan model, which was notably NOT on a bike. James Workshop, you have failed the assignment. Do better.
Almost as if GW deosnt care.
Yep I bet we get a sammael before we get white scar anything
And then for Christmas they put him in a Battleforce box alongside JUST BIKES. He was the ONLY model without wheels, and primaris BARELY use wheels to begin with. It's as stupid as it is funny honestly.
Meanwhile the White Scars guy in the named Deathwatch Kill Team box is the only one *with* a bike... that has to move at the speed of the Salamanders terminator guys in regulkar 40k, and can't be brought as an independant model in actual Kill Team due to being a vehicle. Lmao.
@@Bluecho4I'm surprised there isn't a prominent hobby TH-camr called James Workshop lol
Deathwatch are definitely unique -- they're only called a "chapter" for a lack of a better name, despite having no single main fortress, no single leader/master/primarch, completely deviating from the codex astartes, frequently committing varying flavors of heresy, allowing literal vagrant and reject marines (black shields) into their ranks, having WAY more numbers at a given time than any other chapter, and of course never really having a "founding" but rather being hobbled together as an impromptu weapon for the inquisition against aliens. Their lore is a mess and their line of models is comically neglected (just like grey knights) but I love them lol
Ngl.
I just like giving Space Marines shotguns.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290
*Doom music ensues*
I think of them kinda like Space Marine special forces. Elite veterans pulled from various units to create small tactical teams comprised of a wide variety of skills and experience.
It’s criminal who bad Grey Knights have been ignored. They’re one of the coolest factions and I know would have a popularity boom if they’d get an update
There's a word for what the Deatwatch is, the militant chamber of the Ordo Xenos. Just like the Grey Knights are the militant chamber of the Ordo Malleus (which deals with demons) and Sisters of Battle the one of the Ordo Hereticus.
So yeah, they're not codex compliant, because they belong to the Inquisition ˆˆ
Keep in mind that Vulkan is a perpetual. It's highly unlikely he'd every be dead-dead. Having said that, the lore for him is that he will only return once all nine of the relics he hid throughout the galaxy are recovered by the chapter and that his return at that point will be because basically the whole universe is in deep shit (a.k.a. the final hours of the Empire of Man). So yeah, sadly GW will likely never bring him back which is kinda bullshit because he really is the best Primarch (yes yes, I'm a Salamander player so I'm biased, blah blah blah, it's still an objective fact LOL).
He’s the kindest Primarch, not the best. Although “best” is subjective. People think Conrad Curze is the best Primarch. My problem with Vulkan and the Salamanders is that their kindness is a weakness. They prioritize protecting civilians over mission accomplishment, which can sometimes lead to greater casualties. For (an easily watched and understood) example, in the animation about Grimaldus, they refused to leave some civilians in order to help the Black Templars kill the Ork Warboss. Their reason was that they had to protect the innocent hundred or so people. However, by refusing to leave them to help strike a killing blow that would have ended the conflict, it inadvertently led to hundreds of thousand of more civilian deaths, quite possibly even the few they temporarily saved.
I don't play any army but i agree. I have just been into the lore for the past 6+ years 😅
* Leman Russ would like to know your location, also his own location *
Tbh there's zero evidence that Vulkan actually said that tbh. Wouldn't surprise me if the artefacts somehow got turned into a myth after he vanished
I haven"t watched that animation, but in the novel it's adapted from, the whole thing is basically a sacrificial bait to lure the Orks while the rest of the Marines prepare a counter attack. Even killing that War Boss would not have saved the city, nothing could have saved the city, they were like two hundreds Astartes versus the biggest Waaaagh! of the history of the Imperium exceot maybe the War of the Beast XD
The Maltese Cross, the one the Black Templars use, was used by the Knights Hospitaliar, which were actually combat medics and protectors of pilgrims during the crusades. The Knights Hospitaliar were actually the most beloved faction in the crusades - yes, a very rich irony that their cross be used by the Black Templars.
Also the Black Templars are supposed to be based on the Templars, so should have a Patty cross, not a Maltese one ˆˆ
As for the Hospitaliers, they were doctors (their name come from the fact that they had hospitals in all their monasteries to help and heal pilgrims), but they rapidly formed knights and soldiers just like the Templars ˆˆ
So the christians pilgrims probably loved them, the other habitants, I don't know XD
Also, after fleeing the Holy Land, they pretty much became pirates in Cyprus, then Rhodes and finally Malta. They still had hospitals, but their main occupation was to attack and steal things from muslims (and sometimes christians) ships to continue the Crusade XD
Fun fact they still exist today, although just as an hospitalier order of monks, they stopped their military activities after Bonaparte took their island of Malta ˆˆ
@@krankarvolund7771 I was under the impression the Black Templar were based on the Teutonic order of the Baltic crusades.
Not ironic, the Black Templars do more to keep mankind safe than any other single chapter
@@lordofthepigs888I think the irony is that it was not the symbol of the other well-known historical sect of knights, the knights templar. They got their name and general vibe from the templars, but adopted the iconic symbol of the wrong order.
Wtf.....medics? Really? No they weren't..... Holy trust me bro energy 😅
Hey there are tens of us Raven Guardsl fans! Tens of Us!
I appreciate that you accurately downsized the quote from "dozens" to tens.
My spouse likes Raven Guard. Granted, he hasn't played them, yet.
haha perhaps even teens of us!
Victorus aut Mortis. Victory over glory
Nah dude. Mark died last year. There's only 9 of us now
Black templars are the space marine version of those guys who wear the “I’d rather be fishing” hats but for crusading
I'm still not sure why being zealous about killing xenos makes them "the bad guys". It's not like the xenos are trying the kill humanity or anything like that.
@@leos8813 well is more humanity recovered and got super genocidal when the other races weren’t genocidal just expansionist and slavery. They’re the bad guys for basically becoming space nazis with swords.
Compare them to something like the nightswatch from game of thrones or the imperial fist or crimson fist chapters. They’re very devoted to defending their charges and post not pillaging developing pre space races and minor space faring civilisation. They’re not the bad guys for being passionate, they’re the bad guys for punching down and down and down. The xenos (minus like the nids) are small potatoes compared to chaos.
If they pooled their forces and went after like a major necron faction that would be different, that might make a difference. But people who are passionate about their cause rarely use rational reasoning.
@leos8813 The Templars are bad because they are an embodiment of why the Imperium is bad. Uncompromising religious fanatacism, authoritarian, and xenophobic. Remember, there are plenty of xenos out there that bear no ill will towards humanity. They just don't get miniatures.
@leos8813 The reason BT are bad is because they are the embodiment of what's horrific about the Imperium. For every actual Chaos cult or Xenos threat the Templars have put down, they've also put twenty harmless sects and aliens who just wanted to be left alone to the sword. You just don't see it on the tabletop because those kinds of factions don't survive long enough to get models, but they certainly exist in the lore.
Unfortunately, a lack of ability to recognize that is why BT players have a higher likelihood of being the worst kind of people who play SM, and I say that as someone who collects BT.
@@gingerlicious3500 Putting down "harmless" sects isn't something exclusive to BT -- not by a longshot. Also, in the 40K Universe, what starts out as "harmless" can quickly be corrupted by the forces of Chaos.
This was a fun watch after the Lion woke up and came sashaying back in and started forgiving a ton of Fallen
Iorn Hands could have been so much more if Ferrus had not just been a Fulgrim plot device. - though i do like his dislike of his sons' obsession with cutting parts of themselves off. I would like more successors for them and more lore
I see their whole aggressive transhumanism as being a part of their failure to emotionally process their Primarch's death. They're brainwashed child soldiers who are taught only to feel anger. Of course they didn't take Daddy's death well. They act like robots because rejecting their emotions is easier than confronting their pain.
I will agree that the Legion that was the most clannish, who shattered into many pieces post-Ferrus Manus, should really have more varied Chapters.
sadly, most of the IH successor are just: "I'm an Iron Hand, but I brown-nose the admech even harder somehow!"
I think they realized early on that Ferrus was too similar to Perturabo and they deided to pick one. This is also why the lore says there was a misunderstanding between the two of them when they first met that caused them to never speak to or interact with each other ever again.
Convenient.
A rivalry between them and the mechanicus would be great to see in the books
Honestly ferrus can comeback as a robot. There is no robots with a human spirit in the lore. So he can be the first one
Raven Gaurd has arguably the strongest "normal space marine" Sharrowkyn is the only person in the 40k universe to genuinely defeat Lucious, to the point where Chaos brought him back rather than his armour! Top tier OG! Me loves Sharrowkyn!!!! ❤️
I understand where you are coming from on the matter of disliking Imperial Fists. At first sight, they do seem a rather too simple chapter. However, if you go deeper, they are so unique, in their own special way. To put it short, they are the symbol of defiance and sturborness, a immovable object, not willing to break, which shows when not a single one Fist fell to Chaos or even felt tempted during the Horus Heresy.
yes Perturabo, siege this comment right here :)
They are the most badass og chapter and by far my favourite. Their successors chapter, the crimson fists almost went extinct because of them being so unwilling to give up, they always stand and fight no matter the odds.
No Ultramarines or Space Wolves fell to Chaos during the Heresy either. But during the War of the Beast almost an entire chapter of Fist successors joined the Iron Warriors (the chapter of the new, fake Fists' leader).
But hey. Enjoy your chapter that was actually exterminated and cobbled back together from successors.
At least the other core 8 have never been wiped out.
Also, unlike what Brad said. Dorn is the most levelheaded primarch. It’s just when he loses his temper… He has a temper.
@@Aodyri
Damn bud, this aint a contest on "my chapter is better then yours", chill and play the chapter you like the most.
Raven Guard are the reasonable marines and get forgotten for it, which suits us just fine. Let the fists build walls and the ultras polish their armor, RG save planets quietly and dip.
Damn I like Space Marines and I like Imperial Fists and I first learned about Rogal Dorn from canon sources and I feel very attacked in this video about how space marines are the best faction.
Haha same, I really like Dorn and the fists and have read most of the books.
As a Space Wolves fan getting to the war criminal part was hilarious. Funnily enough thousand sons are one of my fav traitor legions.
This is interesting observation I noticed. There four type of people. Who enjoy both Wolfes and TS. Two biased Groups who demonize one side while hyping the other. And haters/don't bother for both legions or chapters. I think even Iron warriors and Fists don't have such clear divide.
I definitely feel this as I play Scars but I really like Heresy-era Death Guard.
@@mrksimka1159 that is something I also noticed and it’s pretty funny, I’m also a space wolves player and I love the thousands sons theme and easy second favorite traitor but iron warriors won me over bit more thanks to lore
At least Salamanders get eradicators because they also do meltas and not just flamers
Yep they’re just sadly slow and rather expensive compared to lasfoil eliminators
Watching this 5 months after it came out and watching the section about the dark angels and the lion and they’ve released the Lion almost right after this came out is hilarious
It drives me crazy that the Black Templars look like Hospitallers and the 40k Hospitallers look like historical Templars...lol
Imperial fists are a bit like "custodians: the contrast method" cheaper looking, mass produced, last bastion (tm). That and people use yellow to contrast paint gold, doesn't look great. Hope you all have a Merry Christmas!
Just some clarification. Corax being a daemon is more of a meme. Reading the text, it appears he’s just got really amped up warp powers because he’s in the warp. No actual daemon transformation.
I don’t know if you realized this, but in Darktide if you use the Zealot Preacher special ability one of the voice lines is “Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the Golden Throne!”
Raven guard also bring something that most other chapters: different enemies. While most space marine chapters are directed against threats from without, they also act in some way like the Inquisition in that they will strike down tyrants and those who have misused their powers. Lore wise, that's pretty much all the defence I can provide. Tabletop wise, the way they wage war just doesn't work. They excel at the soft factors of war - logistics, leadership, communications etc. By the time a raven guard player actually gets to the table, the enemy will have minimal ammunition and fuel, local commanders and communication centres destroyed, and so on. At that point, its not a battle its a massacre which is how the raven guard should be. In war if you are in a fair fight then you've done something wrong
Iron Hands, Leader of the Iron Hands Chapter, Famous for his saying "Every hand has its iron"
Flying around the galaxy in the Hand of Iron.
But alas, Iron Hands didn't want his iron hands, and wanted his Iron Hands to stop getting their iron hands.
Just like every cowboy sings a sad, sad song
White Scars should really have a unique biker unit - it wold really help to sell them more if they had something unique
It’s not their fault gw gave everything to the dark angels. They’re the rules equivalent of lore ultramarine.
The raven wing is what the white scars should be and white scars should have a karn in speeder. Also death wing is just an odd mix of iron hands or salamanders and space wolves.
They don’t have an identity they’re heavy amour, speed, plasma weapons, melee focus, character killing, and proficient in at firing while engaged in combat. Did I mention they’re also sneaky FBI agents who are master interrogators.
@@dittmar104 i love the DA.....but I cannot dispute this
In an alternate universe GW made WS non-codex compliant and gave them fun things leading to more writing etc.
I can imagine the Kharn saying to G-man "you're codex is narrow and derrivative, it will lead to stagnation of military skill, we will do as we see fit. If you don't like it.....catch me"
You say that but Blood Angels have Sanguinary Guard and are terrible in game.
@@daryljackson6088 sanguinary guard are really strong in game. Also I wasn’t saying adding a unit would make scars stronger, I said it would help market them better
@Dark O-man Sanguinary Guard are great but it doesn't keep blood angels from being weak. I accept that it would help sell white scars. Unique models got me into BA.
Blood Ravens, now and forever. Even when I played SM I painted them in the Blood Ravens colors, mainly because my introduction to 40k was through Dawn of War, but also because it's a pretty cool paint scheme and their lore was also neat.
Regarding the Black Templar, you might thinking of the Iron Cross of Germany, which has nothing to do with the Swastika. The Nazis introduced the Balkenkreuz for the Wehrmacht which looks like a big fat Plus. The Iron Cross is much older and also hasn’t been used as a identification symbol for the Nazis and thus is clean and even still gets used by the German military.
It's literally the Crusader cross from the Crusades. People need to learn hustory.
27:40 to me the old school tactical marine was one of the most standout features of 40K
I like the fact that you'd have to dislocate both of your hips in order to wear the Power Pants.
If you want to be the "bad guys" you go Marines Malevolent. It's literally in the name.
or Angels Vermilion.... Yeesh!
When the Inquisition found that you've gone too far with civilian collaterall damages... you've really gone too far XD
21:35 Lol they brought back Lion. If Vulkan ever came back I'd probably make a Salamander Army.
I'm gonna imagine that Vulkan had been back for millennia by this point.
We do know from his last appearance that he was fed up with what the Imperium had become, and decided to just fuck off into hiding, only to return during the War of the Beast to fulfill an oath he swore to protect Caldera.
Black Templars are my favorite, I love the crusader aesthetic, love the Emperor's Champion, love Helbrecht, love the Teutonic Order emblem, norman helmet. Really suprised you didn't mention anything about wanting to play sororitas but already having bought primaris marines.
I was waiting for my wolves and saw the "war criminals" I died laughing.
when dark angels gets a true model update, im going all in.
i feel there is a bit more to the iron hands in terms of lore and character, where basically after the heresy and for a long time after they all has a prescribed case of "survivors guilt" or something.
they augmented themselves because they thought flesh was weak, they would eventaully get emotion limitation in their brains to be more "logical", with one of the core reasons being they blame their primarchs death, on their primarch, because he let his emotions get past killing Fulgrim.
which EVENTUALLY get's turned against them with a slanneshi demon, and they're now slowly regaining their humanity.
they also have a group that are...dead? revived? something but they're creepy even to their current chapter master.
ALSO the cross and the templars are based on the Teutonic Order, yes a german order of templars, but an order that NEVER sides with *those guys*
As a Thousand Suns fan, the fact that the chapter in the video for the Space Puppies is "War Criminals" warms my dusty hear.
The cross the black templars use is the one used by the knightly order The Knights Hospitallar during the crusades. The other one is the iron cross which was most used during the first World War, so whichever way you cut it, it's not problematic. Now someone who doesn't know a thing about history might confuse the first and second world war, but they're misunderstandings are inconsequential. Y'all are safe
Iron hands are the most underrated
Now to just get Eric to sell chaos marines and you can call it even
Ultramarines - you like vanilla.
Blood angels - you like strawberry.
Dark angels - you like chocolate and mint.
Salamanders - either you into flamethrowers, color green or a normie who buy into the only good marines.
Iron hands - you need to play necrons or Admech.
Raven guard - you are a 90's kid.
Imperial fists - you either american, German or like military.
White scars - you like bikes.
Spae wolves - you either of Nordic decent or like this whole Viking brutal bad boys culture and folklore.
well, if you like to giggle eternally about memes older than Dante....
Space wolves -> furries
You forgot black templars
You got me with you like the colour green. That's exactly why I'm liking salamanders.
Dark angels second
Salamanders “we’re the good guys!”
casually ignores the ultra marines, red scars, space wolves, and blood angels, like pretty much half of the loyalist first founding chapters who are known for being pretty dang honorable.
heck, its only really the dark angels and iron hands who are known for being all that ruthless. And its only the iron hands who make that a general prerogative, dark angels tend to keep that overkill stuff to things involving the fallen.
I chose both Blood Angels and Raven Guard. Because of the lore and their easy to paint.
The disgust and pain in Brad’s voice when he introduced the Space Wolves is palpable and I’m all here for it.
(I’m on the Ksons side in this battle, I love psykers and guess which chapter has lots of psykers?)
THE BLOOD RAVENS !
@@bugfighter5949 THEY STO… ahem, “acquired them for safekeeping”
Not only does the Space Wolves annoy Kson fans, they also annoy Inquisition players!
Celestial Lions are an Imperial Fists successor that are actually just really nice, they also have a really amazing aesthetic with their whole theme, sadly they are practically all dead in lore.
Their colours are pretty cool, they have lion pelts for cloaks, special headpieces for specific units, Powerpacks with Lion heads, if you manage to kitbash and 3D print for them you will have an amazing looking army, they also have unique rank names for their Chapter, like pridemaster, prideleader, Spiritwalker, they are the only reason I play an Imperial Fist successor else I'd just play White Scars
Funny to hear you guys talk about BT I like them because they are the offshoot chapter Sigismund founded and he was a straight BAMF. Also love the tabards and the feeling of being an eternal crusader. Also Black and white is a striking color scheme when you start painting spots of red on their Tabards.
Given that it's the colour scheme of like a third of the chapters, I hope it's a good one XD
Do Blood Angels have reflections? Can they cross running water? Do they need to be invited into a place before they can enter?
yes, but they cant bear to look upon them!
@@ffejpsycho If I remember well, they're supposed to be pretty, Sanguy was the most beautiful of all primarchs, that goes well with the all vampire art lover shtick
There’s really good warhammer book called “the eye of terror” and the subplot is about a dark angle discovering the fallen. It’s from 1999. Glad to see nothing has changed.
I was cursed from the start:
I got into 40k through playing Deathwatch and I picked Raven Gaurd bc I love stealth and goth aesthetics.
Then I found out about their lack of lore
Then my character died bc I crit failed on a warp effects table and got sucked into the immaterium
now he's hunting traitors with his demon bird dad
@@SamueL-td7fb This feels surprisingly wholesome
As a (future, the upcoming abbadon and co box looks fantastic) csm player, the only chapter of sm I would consider building is blood ravens, but going all-in on the meme.
"That venerable dreadnought that looks like space wolves' one WAS GIFTED"
"Ultramarines are such a bros, they given our bladeguards swords"
"The flamers? Totally given by Salamanders"
"Grey knights absolutely given us those terminator armours, why do you ask?"
This but unironically, I really hope Blood Ravens get unmarried from the Relic games (they're done now anyway) and get their own rules, even just as a side book. Lean into the meme full time and make them the loyalist 30k-era Alpha Legion, it would be so brutally hilarious.
@@ExValeFor oh. i WAS talking about doing it unironically, even w/o rules for it
I appreciate how every chapter has a tag for their section of the video, which is just the chapter name.
Even the “War Criminals” faction.
Something I’ve wanted to do for years now is make a “redeemed” deathwatch squad with one of each of the chaos chapters. Either loyalists who joined or chaos members not too far gone all in their 30k colors. Each representing the best of their respective chapters. Is this an excuse for loyalist noisemarine? Probably.
When I heard "Iron Hands giving themselves iron hands" I couldn't help but imagine some cybernetically enhanced space marine circlejerk and from there laughed every time you repeated Iron Hands. The whole iron hands spiel was pure gold.
Join the carcharodons, we have sharks! If sharks aren't enough for you, we also have Tyberos. He'll convince you to change your mind. :)
There's actual character development in the supplement codex for Iron Hands chapter they've come a long way since 6th edition and 8th edition codex supplements....but yeah
Vulkan is the best primarch and the Salamanders are the best chapter, no one can tell me other wise
Listening to (presumably) a chaos main do this is hilarious. Thanks for the ep. Also total agree on iron hands being the favorite for the same reason, only disagree on not wanting ferrus back- because if they bullshit their way to him being back we might actually have ferrus lore...
As a primarily thousand sons player, I appreciate the defense of our world and the reminder that the wolves are just war criminals.
My first army was Black Templars and I chose them because i wanted to go hard into the knights and crusades. I still enjoy the army to some degree but I just enjoy my thousand sons more. I might go back and buy some of the special unit refresh since I don’t have sword brethren or Grimaldus yet
It's not a war crime if it's funny (and justified)
@@SamueL-td7fb Magnus strolling in and fucking up their attempt to fix their geneseed was pretty funny
@@EnigmaEnginseerIt was (even as a Space Wolves guy), but tbf Bjorn said if Magnus hadn't, he would have
Love me some blood angels really wish we got some primaris jump pack melee units by now or an upgraded sanguinary guard at least. But if we get intercessors with jetpacks like we got intercessors in gravis armor I have high hopes for some real fun Blood Angel lists.
Also waiting for the updated jump packs
Favorite thing about Ultramarines succession is they seem to have absorbed loyalist elements of the traitors. Minotaursb being world eater's for example
Weren't Minotaurs and Marines Malevolent loyalist Iron Warriors, anyway? They both have very similar mindset to Iron Warriors
@@Jfk2Mr No, they weren't. The 'Minotaurs are Iron Warriors' thing is a weird meme that seemed to come around by some dubious correlation that both Minotaurs and IW are kinda Greek in Aesthetic. Whereas when Minotaurs first got special rules back in the 2000s (in a White Dwarf article), their ability was literally the the same as the Mark of Khorne at the time (Death Guard also got a Cursed Founding equivalent, The Sons of Anteus, but FW didn't pick them up later to boost their profile). As for Mindset? Not really, as far as I'm aware the Minotaurs don't get portrayed with the same fundamental bitterness that characterises the IW. The Minotaurs are 'just' serious Marines that will throw down with absolutely anyone the High Lords tell them to. Of all the Legions they're probably closest to the Great Crusade era Wolves than anything else...
Marines Malevolent are just dicks, and tbh it would actually make them significantly less interesting imo if they were secret Traitor gene-seed.
Might just be my opinion but I think it's safe to say The Black Library managed to make the lion interesting! I decided to start painting a dark angels army after listening to the book on his return (as well as him clapping Angron in AoO)
Loved this episode! Could you do the same things for Chaos Space Marines?
Absolutely planning to, we do regular subfaction videos and CSM is high on the list of ones we want to do next.
“Salamanders are the good guys”
Vulcan after burning up an Eldar child 👀
Eldar aren't real people so it's fine
I mean...he felt really, really bad about it 😬
If nothing else, lets just blame Curze
His only fault was that he didn't burn enough. Goddamnit Vulkan, you had one job!
I just got into it at the release of 10th.
Bought a Leviathan Box and a bunch of other random factions 2nd hand unpainted (mostly a few Kill Teams because my goal is to get them painted up and have a selection for my friends to choose from so we can play - they’re STARTING to succumb to the idea after my intense persuasion over the last couple months haha).
I’m rambling but I wanted to say the 2 factions I’ve fallen in love with are firstly Blood Angels. I’ve always loved vampires and their lore just fascinates me. I love all their characters.. the primarch (rip) who is by far the coolest of them all, Dante.. Mephiston.. they’re all dope.
And secondly Black Templars. I think they have the coolest aesthetic.. like being CHAINED PERMANENTLY to your weapons.. that’s just bad ass. Also about 20 years ago when I was a tiny sprog, my mum had taken me into a GW store and bought me a small starter set and one of the workers there recommend me to make them Black Templars so he primed them all black for me and painted one up quickly to show me the scheme to follow.
So yeah, one I have a soft spot for who I think also look bad ass, and the other I’m just totally in love with the lore.
There really is a faction or race for EVERYONE, that’s one of the awesome things about the hobby. Like I have an Ork Kill Team, who are growing on me massively - they just seem so fun. And I have an Adeptus Mechanicus Kill Team which, again, are just bad ass.
Sorry, I could go on forever - I’m still in the honeymoon faze of the hobby and feel like a kid in a candy store, truly.
I got in at the end of 9th edition playing Necrons, but have incidentally gotten a pretty big force of space marines as well.
I am trying to decide what to paint them as, also between Blood Angels and Black Templars. With similar reasons to you as well. Love the angels lore, love the templars looks and their lore is also pretty cool (what I have seen of it)
@@Brady_Morningstar hell yeah man 🔥🔥
A Juiced up Kharn The Betrayer have PTSD seeing Sigismund declaring he is not as damaged as him after Sigismund defeated him.
To my knowledge, neither the Iron Cross nor the Maltese Cross are strictly offensive. Iron Cross is used in Military Medals, and the Maltese Cross is a symbol of courage/ protection used by Bikers.
I feel like more could have been done with the Iron Hands and the tragedy of Ferrus Manus. He never wanted them to end up the way that they did.
The Lion will be back and playable soon.
I'm a Blood Angels player primarily and I have a bunch Dark Angels stuff so I'll be making an army of them too. Probably also the Salamanders.
Blood Angels aren't just vampires, they are also renaissance Catholics.
In terms of Blood Angels and no primarch we do also have The Sanguinor who is probably part of Sangunius returned or something.
Vulkan being an Eternal kinda makes it hard to justify not bringing him back. I think they are eventually going to bring back at least all the ones that are still alive.
Do a video like this for chaos please, your content is great paint and chill material.
It's an inevitability I promise. It's just about "when?" The hour long episodes have been 3 back to back (after I post the current one) so it'll be at least a few weeks before the next subfaction episode. CSM is in the top 3 we have been tossing around the idea of so it's probably within a few months at worst.
@@thepoorhammerpodcastGenuinely, I need to hear your hype pitch for the traitor Primarchs, because some of them (all of them?) have the reason they're the worst and the reason they're great being the same damn thing.
Roboute Guilliman LOOOOOVES your Elven boots! Good to know! I'm glad he's hitting something besides just Yvraine.
Found this on Reddit about Raven Guard: Raven Guard aren't emo, there Native American
Dreadnoughts and senior officers are seen as elders of the chapter, trusted with their history and culture and known to possess the ability to communicate with Corax’s spirit.
They have a Counting Coup system - Called the Rites of Shadow, this is a series of rituals/tasks that a marine will accomplish (while being overseen by a Chaplain) to gain honor and move up in the ranks.
Raven Guard carry medicine bags - called Corvia - of bird skulls, feathers and other trinkets he’s collected over time that are seen as an extension of his spirit. It is buried with him so his spirit can find peace in addition to his body.
Aspirants undergo vision quests as part of their training.
I know it’s not the most overt thing in the world, but hey there’s more support to it than Shrike having a bad haircut. There's also a lot of smaller things I could mention but did not for brevity.
I will admit I am new to the Warhammer universe lore and I'm only here because of the space marine 2 game.
I was interested, however, to see if we Native Americans were given a seat at the table since I see many different cultures sprinkled throughout the chapters.
I’m sure I’m late to the party, but you’re right - the Black Templars rock the Maltese Cross, which is NOT problematic; the Maltese Cross is a symbol used the world over by fire services.
50:50 Spouting some serious heresy. But what else would one expect, from a foul witch of Tzeentch?
honestly main reason i'd play spacewolves is just so you can have spacemarines riding on bigass cyborg wolves
Hey so I’m totally new to the channel and I love the video, definitely a good hype vid for a lot of the chapters. As a Space Wolves Veteran of 7 years tho I just wanted to throw out a few things I felt were missing.
If you want to play a space marine chapter that hits like a freight train in melee this is the chapter realistically to do it. We aren’t particularly fast like Blood angels, Raven Guard, or Black Templars. Yet, when we make it to combat all of our Thunder Hammers, Power and Chain fists, and any other unwieldy melee weapon will hit at normal profiles(+3 to hit on a T-hammer is nasty!!). And all our other weapons hit on a base +1, which with can be further modified to a +2 in some cases.
We have one of the coolest new primaris HQs in Ragnar Blackmane, dope model and hits like a truck.
We also have 2 unique dreadnaught characters(Bjorn and Murderfang), the only chapter to have 2 playable names dreads in 40K. And we are one of only two to have an additional legion specific dreadnaught in our Wulfen Dreads.
I know you gave a lot of grief to Wulfen in the video as well, but at bear minimum they are a FANTASTIC source of bits including storm shields, very unique thunder hammers and lightning/frost axes, and even have cool lightning/frost claws that have a number of uses. And at best they are a blender of a unit on the table that If they can touch something they will cut right through it like a hot knife through butter.
We also have the fastest and toughest chapter master in Logan Grimnar on Stormrider. Very cool model IMO and due to his terminator armor is really quite a tough SOB.
Lastly yea we have old model kits but the parts in those kits are awesome!!!! The blood law box comes with METRIC TONS of different head, weapon, armor, and shoulder pad options plus a good amount of extra bits as well. Mind you ALL OF THE BITS are space wolfy as all get out, so of all the factions listed we have some of the best upgrade kits build into units you are already going to be building for the army as it is.
We also have a flyer with 3 different options for how to build it.
Lastly, our units tend to have the highest variety of different weapon options. I know for a fact our terminators have the most options for any terminator in the game, our Thunderwolf Cav can be built with any major of melee, ranged, or even some special weapons found in the space wolves arsenal of kits. Our basic troops box(blood claw/grey hunter) can be built as everything from those troops, to long fangs with a very easy conversion using the MK6 weapons kits, to wolf guard, and hell even to sky claws and jump pack wolf guard if you order jump packs online.
All in all a super cool faction that I have loved for years now and definitely worth the time of anyone interested. Vlka Fenryka!
NGL, I ship Yvraine and the Rowboat. The potential that that might be cannon someday is just about the only thing that keeps me interested in 40k these days.
Subscribed because nobody on this podcast is confused about whether the Imperium are the bad guys or not. Also love the name of the pod! :)
Oh but they are, because that's the best you can get as a human in there.
Lovely innit hahahaha
oh thank god fascist nerds are here to explain to me how warhammer works
@yuliydubovyk3080 reeeeeeee the imperium is evulz reeeeeeee.
This is how you sound.
Sanguineous is dead dead …… all the while there’s a warp entity who looks like sanguinious that revived Dante who got penetrated by the swarm lords sword all the way through (dat big sword) they talk Dante calls him dad the warp entity calls Dante son. Then mephiston gets one of the two angels that at one point made up sangs soul bound to him by said warp entity. Mephiston calls him dad and while he tells him that he’s not sang he then proceeds to tell mephiston that things that were not possible before are possible now. Then we get godblight telling us that if somtning is worshiped enough eventually a warp god will be created from it and next to the big E sang is worshiped and venerated as if he were Christmas, New Year’s, and Easter all wrapped up into one. Hell magnus spoke about sang in the present-tense.
All the primarch’s are coming back they make too much money to not come back ….. literally all of them hell the writing bent over backwards to even bring back ferus in one way or another
Hope this channel pops off
Fun to listen to while doin stuff
11:20 thank you my new favorite subreddit!
I'm glad you put this out, I have played for 20 years since I was 10.
I have played marines 5 times. I'm doing my primaris now and need a new flavor
"All of them have HUGE violence towards innocents"
Bro are you familiar with the Crimson Fists at all?
Trial of Blood was a great mini anthology series
The Black Templars’ insignia is based on the heraldry of the Knights Hospitaller, a knightly order that fought in the crusades. Though they were warriors, they were also known and respected for the medical care they provided to pilgrims, soldiers, and civilians, as well as their efforts in helping the poor. Despite sharing iconography, I doubt the Hospitallers would wholly approve of the Black Templars.
The one you referred to as “problematic” is, I assume, the Iron Cross, which is a symbol of the German military. It’s commonly associated with the Third Reich, but it was actually in use long before they rose to power and is actually still in use today, though it maintains a bad reputation due to how it was used in WW2 and how “wehraboos” still use it today.
The fact that the "strongest space marine p[syker" debate is between Mephiston and Tigurius, but not The Chief Stormseer Saghari - like why does he not get a novel considering the WS are a major psyker chapter...but no Ultramarine Psyker is actually stronger cos reasons
Nah Mephiston would wipe the floor with Tigurius. (Yes I'm biased.)
@@rayvg7709 i agree, but the question of who's the best is always between those two. It should be between Mephi and Saghari
@@darko-man8549 I know very little of Saghari, can't find much on the internet either. I have read almost all the BA books though and am of the opinion that post Rubicon Mephiston is just on a different level, literally teleporting himself and other librarians through the warp without any tech, stopping time for a moment and a few other honestly insane feats.
@@rayvg7709 see that's my point, there's fuck all on him. And I'm just here like: "there are three factions that are pro-psyker WS, TKsons, BA....why is there not more Saghari?"
@@darko-man8549 because WS get treated like a non-space marine faction
Thanks for the Podcast. Just wanted to start some marines. Very helpfull!
When I first started collecting years ago I went with black templars cause their color scheme and the idea of always crusading, never limiting their numbers, and not using psykers was really badass. Now Im older and love the Salamanders being a much more 'human' chapter comparatively (and flamers whoo love me some flamers).
I love how badly the Dark Angels part aged im just a few months
I just got into the hobby myself and Salamanders are the faction i picked. I got 1300 points worth the so far painted and i got Vulkan He'stan on order. I know my list wont be meta but should be fun to play
Ultramarines: Vanilla
Imperial Fists: Vanilla bean
Blood Angels are my favorite way to play space marines because the combination of incredible melee prowess and blinding speed is just *fun*. White Scars come in close second because you can base successors for them off any of the many nomadic horse-riding civilizations of the Eurasian Steppe.
Iron Hands are my favourite chapter, are my favourite Legion and Ferrus Manus is comically underrated.
Yet I wholly agree with your points of view. 😂
26:46 * me recently getting into 40k and choosing raven guard as my favorite legion *
" I'll never recover from this "
The Dark Angels segment aged poorly.
found this channel today and im so happy its actually available as a podcast. So hard to find some interesting and very easy listening (and clear clean audio) for a podcast to listen to on commutes
I feel like it’s very easy to say that the Raven Guard are emo, but how is that applicable considering that their main deal is sticking to the rejection of religious iconography and the religious empowering of the emperor, and strong belief in honor and vengeance for their primarch? The lore isn’t necessarily bustling with flavor but it’s good enough to add your own interpretation to it and it’s not hard to interpret the result of Istvaan III and V..
Just got the laviathan set, now trying to decide my chapter sense i have a good base, this is no joke and not easy
The dark angels section aged well
Why? I’m new so I’m not up to date on everything.
@@oscarmccoy9102 them talking about lion el jonsons lore