Hornby vs. Hatton's | New Genesis Coaches | Unboxing & Review
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0:00 Intro
4:57 SECR Unboxing
11:35 LNWR Unboxing
14:27 GWR Unboxing
19:44 Hornby vs Hatton's
24:09 Detail
29:39 Performance
37:30 Ratings
40:59 Conclusion - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
The LNWR coach 'white' actually had a slightly bluish tint when originally applied, 1lb of ultramarine blue to 112lb of white lead. This was because the coaches then received several coats of varnish, which laid a faintly greenish tint over the top. The idea was that in service the result would be a 'white' that looked -- more or less -- white. Regular cleaning, plus atmospheric effects/pollution, would cause minor variations over time, until repainting every 7 years or so.
Roofs were untinted and unvarnished pure white lead, which would start to darken noticeably within weeks at most of leaving the paint-shop, and eventually turn almost sooty black as they were not cleaned at all.
I also note that all the Hattons coaches have brown centres to the wheels. This is correct as these are Mansell wheels with wooden segments, supposed to improve running qualities, and these segments were varnished hardwood. The Hornby ones are, incorrectly, 'painted' black -- even though someone has gone to the trouble of moulding segment lines into the centres.
Really great coaches, thanks for a great review.
wooden train wheels? How long did they last? Were the wooden segments load bearing?
@@strike9716 The segments were usually made of teak, an oily wood which was -- and is -- difficult to paint, and would last for decades in service, generally as long as the coach they were fitted to. Yes, the segments were load-bearing, they replaced the cast-steel spokes with a 'solid' wooden disc which reduced the unpleasant ringing noise which spoked metal wheels often developed. Theree was also a safety factor, in that if a segment fractured under load -- itself an extremely unlikely event, but it did occasionally happen -- the pieces were held in place by bolts at centre and rim, so the wheel didn't collapse anyway. If a spoke on a spoked wheel fractured, the whole wheel would promptly fail.
Interesting
The LNWR colours were known as 'plum and spilt milk.' The 'brown' is actually a very deep colour and should have a hint of red or purple in the right light. My favourite livery of all - I have some very expensive kit built coaches that are just gorgeous. The Hattons stock look very nice indeed. The Webb Coal Tank with coaches looks great, I could watch that all day.
I love the LNWRs plum and spilt milk livery so much! But the footboard is quite wobbly and not straight at all 25:03
I believe that 'Goods' locos, at least on the GWR, meant mixed traffic, so there's nothing wrong with a Dean Goods on a passenger train (certainly a pre-grouping one). That's why they have 5ft 2 driving wheels, rather than the 4ft 7.5 often used on freight locos like the Aberdares or later the 28xx
Dude it’s just for fun chill
They were still in use on a couple of Welsh branches as mixed traffic locos in the 50s due to their low weight
@@SonGoku-hf3xx But to me, learning about this sort of thing is fun!
Thanks for a good ,thorough review Sam👍, and good job Hattons !
Great work mukka. Nice review and very interesting. Glad you were able to pound Hornby into the ground yet again... love it. I trust you are keeping well... no sign of Chloe again!? Regards to you both from Oz. Merry Xmas. Gaz
They look great, Santa is bringing me 6 of the southern green 4 wheelers. can't wait to have a play with them
If you have an E4 or an Adams Radial, they would be at home behind those kettles. Not bad too behind an N class.
@@OlivierGabin E4 it is then
Hi Sam, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Steve
I love my five gwr coaches. Well worth the wait. Great quality at a good price. All mine free wheeling and straight foot boards. The full brake is a beaut. Wish I had a few more. Good review as always, cheers and Happy Christmas all.
They are lovely models. I have a rake of the LMS coaches and the livery is just wonderful. I also have some Hornby LNWR ones, very basic by comparison.
Thanks for the review. It is an interesting comparison between the two. I am waiting for coaches to be brought out in Somerset & Dorset blue to go with my blue Johnson 0-4-4 tank.
Well, they've arrived - long looked for, come at last! Sam's review is spot-on, and I'm pleased that all 3 of mine are free-running, with no coupling problems, and no twisted footboards. They look a treat behind my Hattons P in full SECR Brunswick Green. Well done, Hattons - what delights have you in mind for us next?
Another great review Sam. I just hope that Hattons don’t halt production of these gorgeous models and keep issuing more releases as time goes by. Of course, I am now looking forward to the release now of the Steam Railmotor by Kernow Model Railways in the new year, for which I have a preorder. Deep joy.
thank you...interseting review of these coaches.....now i "only" have to wait till march next year, to get hold of "my" Great Northern Teakcoaches....been waiting then for 2 years....hope they 'll look as good as i'm hoping they will....
being from Michigan I love to see the Pere Marquette locomotive pulling Kellogg’s vans and of course with all the cereal you’d need a milk tanker
Happy Hanukkah, Sam!
Looking forward to receiving my 3 x SECR 4-wheelers - they're in the post! - and I don't think I'm going to be disappointed...
A really excellent and enjoyable video. I do love to see earlier era items. The coaches and locos travel so well together. They seem to have more character. From a time when they were near the top of available technology. This video more than fulfils my request by about three times over. Thanks.
Wishing you and kin a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 😎😎😎
Very nice! Beautifull bargains !! i hope they wont just be limited edition but will be "stock" line.
Some early GWR 4 and 6 wheel coaches were still in use in the 1930s, I have seen several photos of Halls, Castles etc pulling trains made up of greatly varied coaching stock, including a mix of Collett, Churchward, 4 and 6 wheeled coaches and LMS stock all in the same train, so feel free to pull them with a Hall, Castle etc etc and mix them up.
We tend as modellers to build consists made up of the same period and company of coaches, photographic evidence has made me completely change that and how I build consists.
I’m looking forward to the br crimson ones or the Midland ones depending on what they look like as decorated samples. Probably going to get a rake of 5 (1 brake, 1 full brake and 3 of the full passenger ones)
Very nice review sam!! greetings from America
Looking forward to my Lancs & Yorks pack - will need to be patient for quite some months yet though
Really enjoyed this video - it's nice when you review coaching stock: after all, when we travel by train, the coaches are an important part of the experience!
Thanks a lot Rick - yes it was fun to review some coaches!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Love the paint on the coachs
I do too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I've been out of the model rail loop for quite some time now, but I am kicking myself for missing out on the GWR coaches.
Hi Sam, Nice review, looks like a good choice, I'm in favour Of Great Western, May be on my Christmas list, All the best Brian 😃
Interesting, my Hatton's 6 wheel Genisis coaches are fine being pulled but over points don't like being pushed and sometimes derail. Definitely centre wheel asm related. 4 wheel no problems. They are very nice mind.
The red coaches with the white roofs look like they have a couple of cm of snow on them. Perfect for Christmas 🎅
Ooo, looks fun Sam, Hattons have a bargain on a dean goods from Oxford for 79 pounds( I think ) including snowplough!
Wow that sounds awesome - very good deal there!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looking forward to Hattons Genesis Batch 3 coaches (tba), the Caledonian 6-wheel versions. Should look wonderful behind my Bachmann Caledonian 0-6-0 tender locomotive in ‘as preserved’ livery.
Already have a rake of Hornby Genesis NBR 6-wheel coaches paired with “Maude”, my Hornby NBR 0-6-0 tender locomotive, again in ’as preserved’ livery.
Will be interesting to compare both rakes.
Sam I love the GWR coaches they are wonderful
Ohh, those look good, might need to pick one of those up if I can. This made my day after my computer’s power supply crapped out. Thanks for always educating me and making my day
Excellent thankyou for the video
I always enjoy sams trains
I will get some of these from my GWR 26xx Aberdare class.
Merry Christmas from: Jasper & Willow
That sounds awesome - good luck! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I would love to get the LNWR ones.
Huh had been looking for something for my GWR locos to pull as I have 6700 PT and a 1400 AC. Have to check these out
I have the hornby lbsc and the hattons secr, one thing I will say after waiting all this time I was dissapointed my wainwright d class would not haul the basic set of four hattons genesis coaches it just kept wheel slipping on my completely flat layout. I had to put the traction tyres back on then it hauled them round fine.
They look really good there very detailed can’t afford though,
That's fair enough - the cost does stack up if you buy several!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Excellent reviews. Perhaps when comparing manufacturers it would be an idea to have a shot of both models side by side with a brief pause instead of in different frames to make visual comparison easier.. I do wish they would have been produced in Caledonian or Highland liveries (and other rolling stock too). I am intrigued from a production viewpoint, if the same factories produce stuff for different manufacturers who then brand to their own. Bit like cheapish chicken in Tesco and Aldi - same producer different branding. Why the difference in quality from manufacturer to manufacturer which you highlight so many times (in different revues not just this one).
Hi Sam thanks for the review.
I found it interesting and enlightening because I already own some Hornby and have pre -ordered Hattons sets due for release in 2023.
The metal running boards are better in my opinion.
The finish on the coaches could only be done with a very sophisticated industrial design and technology and is a credit to the manufacturer.
Awesome video today Sam beautiful coaches might have to get some
I hope Hattons will reissue the LMS and GWR models, I had just been able, for budget reasons, to buy the LNER and SR versions, I had just received them today. It's far more than a blazing success, the models for sale are looted away ! There is a market for those small coaches, with the British tradition of small layouts, and the success of the Hattons offer speaks for itself.
For the quality, just wow ! I don't regret to have spend GBP 240 for my two sets, and I really want to buy more ! I've got my eyes on the BR 4 offer, that would be great while waiting for a reissue of the LMS and GWR ones.
The Hornby offer... Well, Hornby, basically... If sold GBP 20 to 25 each, that would have been a nice model, but same price as the Genesis ones... Sorry, it does not make sense.
For the dynamic qualities, well, mixed bag, but nothing awfull. They stay on the track, and you can have nice operational rakes. I will pull my Bachmann SR E4 from storage, and I hesitate between my K3 and my N7 for the LNER... I'll take both ! Plus my J70, just for kicks. And my Adams Radial for the SR too, let's have fun !
I wanted to know how many versions were in the GWR livery since you got: 6-wheel 1/3 toilet, 4-wheel 1st, 6-wheel 2nd, 6-wheel 3rd, and 4-wheel brake 3rd. There's also a 4-wheel 3rd, 4-wheel 1/2, 6-wheel brake 3rd, 6-wheel 1/2/3, and a 6-wheel baggage car in GWR, so you got half of all the GWR variants. They look really nice with the black panel lines. The LSWR livery is also nice.
Hatton's produced ten body variations for each livery compared to Hornby's seven body variations including a 4-wheel baggage car that Hatton's did not make
Perhaps for a better idea of how the GWR coaches manage going over points, would have been to couple them to a loco with decent couplings that don't droop! Or simply fix the Dean Goods locos coupling!
Excellent review Sam, not very surprised that they made the top five, but rather that they did so in 2022. Nice last minute entry.
Hope you get another LNWR coach if you decide to, my rule for buying rolling stock is to buy at least three if you want to build a rake.
Looking forward to the LSWR dropping next year! Cheers!
Thanks David - yes indeed! Three is a golden rule - though I don't mind a few pairs, especially as I have very few LNWR locos!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains ironically the Coal tank in preservation pulls L&Y coaches
Coming back to this video after the unfortunate closure of Hattons. I am saddened I missed my window to order any batches of these beautiful Hattons coaches. But the Hornby ones will haft to suffice. Tis a shame though.
Lovely video of lovely carriages. Are they designed so that you can covert 6 wheeled coaches to long chassised 4 wheel coaches and if so do they run better?
The instructions to convert 6 wheel to 4 wheel are included. I have not done that so cannot comment on the run quality afterwards.
NICELY DONE
Nice review Sam...
One observation I would make would be that very lightly sprung buffers might have been an advantage when running these to prevent 'buffer-lock' on curves, especially as the shorter wheelbase of the coaches has the potential to cause this.
Such a modification is well within the scope of even the most simple to average modeller. It would just be a case of wanting to do this I suppose.
Not a problem on the running you did with the stock....but just a thought.
James Hennighan
Yorkshire, England
Hi Sam. Can you read the running number of the LBSC on the Hornby model. It's in the centre of the company badge and is very readable with a magnifying glass and a bit of light. I was amazed when somebody told me where the running was. If you have access to a Hattons's LB&SCR equivalent please tell us what you think. Bye from Ian.
So far I don't know which is better. I recently aquired two LSWR coaches and one GNR coach rom Hornby, and I think they're pretty good, especially for the price. However, I might be sampling Hattons in the future as their GER, L&YR and GCR coaches look very enticing. I would get some LNWR ones too but I'll have to decide which company to go for.
I picked up three of the LMS coaches for my branch line. I'm very happy with mine (replacing old Hornby railroad 4 wheeled coaches).
I've been really pleased with mine, though I also noticed a slightly bent footboard on one.
As normal, a brilliant review, thanks Sam. Could you just remind us of the Hornby score?
Regards Dave
Awesome video - will have to look into getting some! Was gonna buy a couple of GWR but they're now out of stock. I didn't see any teak versions but if they do them in the future I'll buy a couple to go with my Hornby teak 6 wheeler and see how the finish compares!
Thank you!! Yeah they disappeared really quickly - hopefully they'll run some more batches!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice looking Genesis Coaches 👍😊🤩
Awesome video Sam's trains
Thanks Brian! :D
@@SamsTrains you're welcome my dear friend
Hey Sam, long time viewer, I have a genuine question: Do you put the accessories packs on your locomotives or rolling stock if they come with them?
Hey Sam, ace review! I bought 7 Genesis 6 wheelers but they just won't run on my track. They look stunning mind. Ironically the arguably cruder hornby 6 wheelers i have run fine. Frustrated and disappointed with the Genesis coaches, I have to remove the centre wheels from them. Take care, Happy Xmas to you and yours, Terry.
Really impressive models, cool to see how they evolved into what they are today
Pere Marquette ran through Michigan father Marquette founded the Michigan town of st ignace and the pere Marquette still lives in central Michigan and is currently being overhauled for some more excursion runs
Nice looking coach!
They sure are! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Now it is hard to choose Hornby or Hattons? Nice video Sam.
Hi Sam. Have you tried Dulcolax for the straining?
It is good to see that these are now released and that they are very good.
I did notice brown paint on one of your couplings, some glue around one of the chain couplings and an apparent chip in the cream paintwork under one of the windows. However, none are major points.
It is interesting to see that Hornby's 4 wheeled ones run slightly better.
It is also good that Hornby and Hattons have tried to avoid duplicating too many of the liveries.
Anyway, well done to all. You only need to nurse your bank balance for a bit after you bought so many!
I spotted one of your 3D printers running in the background - what are you doing now - 1 wheeled coaches?😂- why stick to an even number of wheels!😮
sam some people are getting their tt120 stuff, will you be receiving any anytime soon?
This may be a dumb question, but can't you just bend the coupling UP a little on the loco, so it lines up with the rolling stock?
As an idea, could you please do a top 5/bottom 5 pieces of rolling stock?
I absolutely love the Genesis Coaches, wish I had pre-ordered more of the first Batch than I did, not a mistake I'll be making with Batches 2 & 3, hopefully they'll eventually do another run of the Batch 1 liveries (perhaps with new running numbers).
The Hornby Coaches are perfectly fine, got a couple myself, but I think the main problem with them is they're just simply not as good as the Hattons' ones. If the Hattons' Coaches didn't exist or there was a significant price difference, I think there wouldn't be any issues.
That said I do prefer the shape of the Genesis Coaches over that of Hornby's, especially the Brakes. Hornby's are clearly based on the Stroudley's Coaches for the LB&SCR and I've never been a fan of the way the brake duckets are merged with the end of the body. Plus I prefer the lower footboards of the Genesis Coaches rather than the higher single footboard of the Hornby Coaches.
Very much looking forward to next two Genesis Batches, got my pre-orders in nice and early this time.
Also, I don't know if you knew this, but the coach packs also have unique numbers compared to the singleton coaches?
Will Martin MartMartinson be producing any Genesis coaches this year? Will they still have working gun turrets like last years? And do you know if they will have cured the burning smell and stickiness of their coaches this time?
Think I like the red ones best 👍👍
Years ago, I cut'n'shut some Hornby 4-wheel coaches together to make some 4-compartment coaches (loosely approximate to GWR diag U4). I have to be honest, the new Hornby 4-wheelers don't look terribly much better than what I achieved with a razor saw all those years ago. Hattons' effort definitely looks like a model from the 2020s. I'm not sure what about the Hornby offering couldn't have been achieved by them back in the late Margate days.
Hello there sam, sorry for this off topic question that isn't related to the video but are hornby , bachmann and other toy train British steam and diesel locomotive toys sold in the US, UK and other countries or are they sold only in Europe and the UK?
Just for information, the LNWR coach livery was known as 'Plum & Spilt Milk'
L&WR? coaches, look (on the video) to be a pale grey/off white. (well to me they do) rather than the blue/greenish colour as you discribe. But of course I would have to see one for myself! I do like the GWR ones, and theywould be the ones that I woould like to get two or so of them to go with my Bachmann City class loco. 3700 class like City of Truro.
They are lovely.
Hi all.
I went to the Hattons website to order a pack of 5 LSWR coaches (lovely looking salmon pink & dark chocolate), only to read that it will not be available until December 2023. How long does it take to paint a set of short coaches? I'm not having a pop at Hattons but blimey, that's a long time!
Paul.
These are stunning coaches . I have LMS crimson ones . Run round my tracks with no issue but the livery is superb . Beautiful coaches .
Very nice. I have the hornby 4-wheel full brake plus the 6-wheel all-first, brake 3rd, and 2x all 3rds in LNWR, and the livery looks different (and more accurate to some preserved coaches I've seen) to the hattons ones (the hattons ones being more brown and off-white than plum and spilt milk). Hope hornby release LNWR 4-wheel passenger vehicles at some point to extend my rake.
I'm holding out for the NCB coaches from batch 2 and the NER coaches from batch 3 of these genesis coaches, as they fit the era/area I want better. I would consider some Southern ones, but I've bought so many Southern region coaches recently...
Could you review a whole Hornby TfW WAG rake? A 67 plus mk4s TSOE, RSB, FOD, TSO, and DVT? 4 different types of mk4 coach plus the loco and DVT would make a nice rake for you to run, and a lot of review material like these coaches. I have the loco and RSB, and they look great, but I now need the other 3 coaches and DVT to finish the rake...
I have a question Does oo scales(rolling stocks and other oo scales stuff)on hattons can be deliver and/or transport to USA and Around The World 🌎.?
I think that the lnwr genesis are much better looking, than the hornby one. well done sam good review :D
Hey Sam I was wondering can you run Southern Pacific daylight steam engine on my birthday?
I'm kicking myself that I didn't get another LNER 6-wheeler to make up a full rake.
The new genesis coaches from Hatton's are extremely nice Sam. For 30 or 33 pounds they are very reasonably priced. I would really love to get anyone of the genesis coaches.
a Nice rake of Carriages you have there Sam 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Did you realise that there were four wheel coaches with a clerestory roof? I hope Hattons release one of those as well as they would look awesome.
Hi sam I hope you're ok
I think the lnwr coaches are the best looking
Hey @Sam’sTrains it would have been nice if you had got one more LNWR coach so then you would have had: 5 GWR, 4 SECR, and 3 LNWR coaches. Oh well🫤
I was very grateful when Hattons finally got these out as I was then able to pick up a full rake (5) of discounted Hornby LB&SCR 4 wheel lit coaches at £21.75 each from Model Railways Direct. Hornby's were a tad overpriced for sure but as with everything nowadays I'm happy to hang on for discounts even if I have to suffer disappointment when it doesnt happen or sells out for what I'm after.
Same here. I preordered some Genesis coaches but then didn't proceed with the order because I could get discounted Hornby ones. Being generic means they will look the same when repainted.
So far I’ve only reached the end of the comparison section, but it’s painful to see the Hornby coaches after hearing their cost. It seems like Hornby’s belong as a cheaper beginner’s model-with less detail to break-in the railroad range and Hatton’s belong as a railway range equivalent. Unless Hornby has some magical liveries that no one else could produce, there doesn’t seem to be an adequate reason to charge more.
You’d think they’d see their competition and lower their price a bit to try and sell more and have the upper hand? Hmm… maybe I’m just too naïve using my common sense.
Fantastic video as always! Have a good holiday!
Trevor
What extraordinary review Sam. This actually represents a random batch sampling doesn’t it. With 1 imperfect coach (warped steps), the score would be 10 out of 11 perfect, i.e. a quality score ~of 91% within this particular sample. It’s a sample only but experience does learn that the fact that this can happen, usually points to a structural weakness of a manufacturer. Is 91% okay? Well, that would depend on how the bar is to be. These days, 99.9% for consumer products is quite the common practice. For European H0 brands such as Trix/Märklin, Roco, Piko, etc., it is safe to say that faults are very much a rarity. Still some work to do as well for Hattons. That said, the coaches do look absolutely gorgeous !
I was going to say that Märklin lining and lettering is the best, but those Genesis coaches are just as good! Perfect. As for the bent running board that should be an easy fix.
last bit reminds me of "the great train robbery" with Sean Connery
These cars are gorgeous. The Hornsby cars are ok. They obviously have their shortcomings but are decent cars but these are much nicer
I really want these but they’re so expensive
Brilliant review Sam, I really like these new Genesis coaches from Hattons, so much so I bought myself the limited generator coach one awhile back, I'm overjoyed they made the L&Y coaches but a little disappointed you didn't cover them here, but that's no problem, keep up the good work! -TIDS
I'm awaiting my 4 GNR genesis coaches, glad to see they're meeting expectations. I can hardly wait!
Feb for gnr
Haha these definitely put the Hornby offerings to shame! Great review as always Sam! I can’t wait to get my Genesis coaches in the SR Olive for Christmas! :)