Cpt Lord told reporters in Boston that all he would have to do in court was explain that he chose to lay stopped for the night whereas Cpt Smith chose to fling his ship right through the ice. "It will take about 15min to do this" he told them. Alas, that slap on Cpt Smith's face was to backfire on Lord . I have a feeling Cpt Lord just didn't want to give up on his nice and toasty warm bunk.
6:08 As the Carpathia started to race towards the disaster scene Rostron being the pious man that he was raised his cap about 2in and started to pray. Also, before leaving the scene in the morning of the 15th he had everyone assembled for a brief service in memory of those lost and in thanksgiving for those saved. He said after the rescue that a hand other than his must have been on the helm that night
6:26 No. 7 was the very first lifeboat lowered, and it was the one that carried William Thompson Sloper who allegedly got off dressed as a woman. He never did. At that point after the impact most were taking the situation lightly thinking they were on the "unsinkable Titanic" so that Murdoch, in charge of lowering the boat, had trouble filling it at all Sloper thus had no reason to think of dressing as a woman. As to where the story came from; he was the first survivor to register at the Waldorf-Astoria, the hotel where all the survivors were going, and the media knew that. At one point the reporters made a rush at his door which his brother Harold who was there with him, repelled, as Walter Lord put it, "perhaps a bit too forcefully." (I wonder if he told them to get lost) At any instance one of the reporters, from the New York Herald, thought he would use the incident to what he thought was a way of teaching the Slopers more respect for the press. He put a story together which stated - guess what - that William Thompson Sloper left the sinking Titanic dressed as a woman
7:52 One thing Ismay did on the Carpathia was contact the White Star offices in NY and ask them to hold this other ship, the Cedric, until he and the crew came, so they could go back home to England as soon as possible. That already made everyone think that he was trying to slip away from America before the police or the authorities could get their hands on him. He then made things worse for himself by signing his message "Yamsi": his last name spelled backwards. That then begs the question why try to cover up by spelling your name backwards if you have nothing to hide. The American warship Chester intercepted his message and relayed it to Congress where a subcommittee to look into the matter was quickly formed. Its members, headed by Sen. William Alden Smith, promptly went to New York where they strode aboard the Carpathia and succeeded at subpoenaing Ismay. He was to appear in court, not within a few days, let alone a full week: the following day. That was Sen Smith's subcommittee's way of serving swift justice which is what America likes to do so much yes but then (1) the tragedy took place within US territorial waters and (2) there were American passengers on board So this time the US was presented with the right opportunity to do just that, serve swift justice
Lifeboat #1 (capacity 40 people, occupancy 12) was the one lowered with the lowest occupancy rate, 30%. #6 (capacity 65, occupancy 22) was the one lowered with the most empty seats, 43. Of those 12 people in #1, only five were passengers, the other seven were all crew .
29:37 Cpt Lord said he had this vague recollection of James Gibson opening the door, saying something to him, and then leaving. Gibson was sure that Lord was awake the whole time.
Cpt Lord is also on record for telling reporters that such information as the Californian's position that night amounted to a state secret and "would have to come from the company's office."
33:50 I have heard about the Samson that she was illegally hunting seals and that she hightailed it out of there once the rockets went up. Documentary evidence shows though that the Samson was actually in Ísafjörður Iceland around the time of the tragedy, and then I guess seals don't venture that far out into the ocean from land. The Titanic's wreck is 370 nautical miles (425.7mi, 685.24 km) south-southeast of Newfoundland and about 700 nautical miles (805.546mi/1296.4 km) east of Halifax. Walter Lord said that not even the Mauritania's mighty turbines could've got her to the scene in time .
22:34 Another who would not be easily quieted was the ship's carpenter James McGregor he said the Californian was close enough to see the Titanic's lights and distress rockets.
21:55 The disaster did eventually involve US territorial waters and the sinking involved American passengers so America had every right to investigate .
28:45 That's the thing too the officers were just too lenient to get Cpt Lord to do sth Walter Lord said in Chapter 14 of "The Night Lives On" that in those days "there was a gulf between the captain and his officers" and "Lord was an austere autocrat; Stone was an easy-going type." Chief Officer Stewart, though, wasn't really much of an improvement; he did suspect that sth serious happened during the night yet he didn't wake Cpt Lord up until the time he'd asked to be awakened, 4:30 .The Californian was "presided over by a cautious captain and an uninspired watch." (Walter Lord, again, in "The Night Lives On")
22:16 That's if we believe Cpt Lord; Ballard determined that she must've been only 10mi away at the most. The Carpathia was a whole 58mi away - and she still came (right away) .
30:42 No one on the Titanic saw any rockets from another ship, and that destroys Cpt Lord's claim that there was a ship between the Californian and the Titanic. There was never "some other ship" in between .
6:14 There's that tale about Capt. Rostron scolding radio operator Harold Cottam for bursting into his quarters. I don't think he ever did; I think Rostron was the type who would listen first and resort to reprimand only if there was good, cogent reason. And, what Rostron did right after Cottam told him about the Titanic, he phoned the bridge and ordered First Officer Horace Dean to turn the ship right to the disaster scene, and then, only then did he ask Cottam if he was sure . As Walter Lord said, "Nine out of ten captains would've done it the other way around
32:52 The Lordites wanted to prove that the Californian had no way of seeing the rockets but they were mentioned in court. I mean, Lord's testimony often conflicted with that of his officers but they did all talk about the rockets nonetheless. .Also it wasn't only Cpt Lord and his officers, Ernest Gill and carpenter James McGregor mentioned them too.
Cpt Lord should've headed over to the scene; it is in accordance with int'l maritime law (1), and (2) it would've earned him and the crew big-time recognition .
32:46 The Lordites like to brush certain things off such as carpenter James McGregor's interview with the Clinton Daily Item and Ernest Gill's affidavit .
That and among other things the fact that the Californian was actually surrounded by loose ice, so it wasn't really impossible for Capt Lord to head on over and help.
33:48 Icelandic? I thought she was from Norway but anyway there was no way she could've been there also I guess this here is a different vessel, the Socrates .
The Californian was in no position to assist. She was trapped in an icefield herself. It took her nearly 8 hours the following morning to pick her way through to get the Titanic's last known position. That was in daylight, it would have taken longer in darkness. Lord, and the Californian, are unfairly treated sadly. Although, I will say, that Californians wireless operator, behaved abominably. Instead of waiting for Phillips on Titanic to finish transmitting, he just transmitted over the top of him. That is piss poor radio procedure. He was rightly rebuked, and should then have waited. He also didn't call up in an official manner to indicate he had traffic for her, he called up in an offhand manner. If anyone should take blame for any inaction on Californian, it is him. Lord hove to, kept steam up in his engines so he could move quickly, and was on a cot just aft of the bridge. He was not, as portrayed in A Night to Remember, fully undressed in his cabin.
Captain Lord definitely gets too much blame, the other officers on the Californian should share responsibility. I don’t care how mean Lord was they knew a ship was in danger. However, I still feel like even if they would have failed getting to the Titanic they should have at least tried. The white rockets made it clear they needed to do something even if they wouldn’t have succeeded
@@contexthistorychannel Given the different rockets Titanic is said to have fired, there was no guarantee it was a ship in distress. However, they should have woken their wireless operator. That said, as I said before, the system had a switch on it so that it would sound an alarm if the set picked up CQD or SOS. They couldn't know Evans hadn't set that.
If the Californian was really trapped then how did she get out of it,? Besides, the Carpathia ended up in the same ice area without any serious damage .
@@fmyoung @fmyoung Carpathia was not it in the same ice as Californian for a start. They were in different parts of the Atlantic. And Californian picked her way out of it in the morning. It took her 8 hours in daylight to reach Titanic's position. At night? At best, double it assuming they didn't hit something.
I just got this from Google; the Frankfurt was between 120 and 150 nautical miles away from the Titanic. This already made it difficult for her wireless operator to hear and understand the Titanic's calls.
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6:30 Kenneth More, who played Lightoller in this film, "A Night to Remember", died in Fulham, the same area in West London where the Goodwins lived .
Cpt Lord told reporters in Boston that all he would have to do in court was explain that he chose to lay stopped for the night whereas Cpt Smith chose to fling his ship right through the ice. "It will take about 15min to do this" he told them. Alas, that slap on Cpt Smith's face was to backfire on Lord . I have a feeling Cpt Lord just didn't want to give up on his nice and toasty warm bunk.
6:08 As the Carpathia started to race towards the disaster scene Rostron being the pious man that he was raised his cap about 2in and started to pray. Also, before leaving the scene in the morning of the 15th he had everyone assembled for a brief service in memory of those lost and in thanksgiving for those saved. He said after the rescue that a hand other than his must have been on the helm that night
6:26 No. 7 was the very first lifeboat lowered, and it was the one that carried William Thompson Sloper who allegedly got off dressed as a woman. He never did. At that point after the impact most were taking the situation lightly thinking they were on the "unsinkable Titanic" so that Murdoch, in charge of lowering the boat, had trouble filling it at all Sloper thus had no reason to think of dressing as a woman.
As to where the story came from; he was the first survivor to register at the Waldorf-Astoria, the hotel where all the survivors were going, and the media knew that. At one point the reporters made a rush at his door which his brother Harold who was there with him, repelled, as Walter Lord put it, "perhaps a bit too forcefully." (I wonder if he told them to get lost) At any instance one of the reporters, from the New York Herald, thought he would use the incident to what he thought was a way of teaching the Slopers more respect for the press. He put a story together which stated - guess what - that William Thompson Sloper left the sinking Titanic dressed as a woman
7:52 One thing Ismay did on the Carpathia was contact the White Star offices in NY and ask them to hold this other ship, the Cedric, until he and the crew came, so they could go back home to England as soon as possible. That already made everyone think that he was trying to slip away from America before the police or the authorities could get their hands on him. He then made things worse for himself by signing his message "Yamsi": his last name spelled backwards. That then begs the question why try to cover up by spelling your name backwards if you have nothing to hide. The American warship Chester intercepted his message and relayed it to Congress where a subcommittee to look into the matter was quickly formed. Its members, headed by Sen. William Alden Smith, promptly went to New York where they strode aboard the Carpathia and succeeded at subpoenaing Ismay. He was to appear in court, not within a few days, let alone a full week: the following day. That was Sen Smith's subcommittee's way of serving swift justice which is what America likes to do so much yes but then (1) the tragedy took place within US territorial waters and (2) there were American passengers on board So this time the US was presented with the right opportunity to do just that, serve swift justice
Lifeboat #1 (capacity 40 people, occupancy 12) was the one lowered with the lowest occupancy rate, 30%. #6 (capacity 65, occupancy 22) was the one lowered with the most empty seats, 43. Of those 12 people in #1, only five were passengers, the other seven were all crew .
4:42 "The Titanic was not designed for this scenario." (David McCallum as narrator of A&E's "Titanic: The Complete Story")
29:37 Cpt Lord said he had this vague recollection of James Gibson opening the door, saying something to him, and then leaving. Gibson was sure that Lord was awake the whole time.
Cpt Lord is also on record for telling reporters that such information as the Californian's position that night amounted to a state secret and "would have to come from the company's office."
So, a captain doesn't know where he was?!
@@WalterKehl-p7s Yeah hey How tacky
Never knew of the second ship. This was very well put together and another enjoyable watch, Keep up the amazing work. :)
Thank you so much for always watching! This is easily the video I’m most proud of!
33:50 I have heard about the Samson that she was illegally hunting seals and that she hightailed it out of there once the rockets went up. Documentary evidence shows though that the Samson was actually in Ísafjörður Iceland around the time of the tragedy, and then I guess seals don't venture that far out into the ocean from land. The Titanic's wreck is 370 nautical miles (425.7mi, 685.24 km) south-southeast of Newfoundland and about 700 nautical miles (805.546mi/1296.4 km) east of Halifax. Walter Lord said that not even the Mauritania's mighty turbines could've got her to the scene in time .
22:34 Another who would not be easily quieted was the ship's carpenter James McGregor he said the Californian was close enough to see the Titanic's lights and distress rockets.
21:55 The disaster did eventually involve US territorial waters and the sinking involved American passengers so America had every right to investigate .
11:44 I don't think Evans went to bed just because of Phillips's brush-off; I think he was just tired .
28:45 That's the thing too the officers were just too lenient to get Cpt Lord to do sth Walter Lord said in Chapter 14 of "The Night Lives On" that in those days "there was a gulf between the captain and his officers" and "Lord was an austere autocrat; Stone was an easy-going type." Chief Officer Stewart, though, wasn't really much of an improvement; he did suspect that sth serious happened during the night yet he didn't wake Cpt Lord up until the time he'd asked to be awakened, 4:30 .The Californian was "presided over by a cautious captain and an uninspired watch." (Walter Lord, again, in "The Night Lives On")
22:16 That's if we believe Cpt Lord; Ballard determined that she must've been only 10mi away at the most. The Carpathia was a whole 58mi away - and she still came (right away) .
11:16 "Shut up! Shut up! I am busy. I am working Cape Race."
tyvm for this upload
30:42 No one on the Titanic saw any rockets from another ship, and that destroys Cpt Lord's claim that there was a ship between the Californian and the Titanic. There was never "some other ship" in between .
20:31 The radio operator there, that's Jack Phillips (not Cyril Evans) .
6:14 There's that tale about Capt. Rostron scolding radio operator Harold Cottam for bursting into his quarters. I don't think he ever did; I think Rostron was the type who would listen first and resort to reprimand only if there was good, cogent reason. And, what Rostron did right after Cottam told him about the Titanic, he phoned the bridge and ordered First Officer Horace Dean to turn the ship right to the disaster scene, and then, only then did he ask Cottam if he was sure . As Walter Lord said, "Nine out of ten captains would've done it the other way around
6:17 Rostron's own estimate was 4hrs; he eventually made it in 3.5 .
6:08 "Some officers"? I thought Lightoller was the only one who interpreted it that way .
32:52 The Lordites wanted to prove that the Californian had no way of seeing the rockets but they were mentioned in court. I mean, Lord's testimony often conflicted with that of his officers but they did all talk about the rockets nonetheless. .Also it wasn't only Cpt Lord and his officers, Ernest Gill and carpenter James McGregor mentioned them too.
5:43 If the Titanic had been fully booked then there would've been room in the lifeboats for substantially less than half, only 27% .
33:00 I agree with Walter Lord there; the Lordites can say whatever they like but they just can't get away from those rockets .
34:37 Whether the Californian was "too far north" or not her officers did see those rockets .
Cpt Rostron changed things around on his ship quite a bit to accommodate the survivors; Cpt Lord should've done the same .
Really interesting story of another ship could have easily saved the lives of the Titanic’s victims
I think so too; Cpt Lord could've had things changed around on his ship like Rostron did.
Never knew that another ship could have saved like 1600 passengers, very interesting story.
That’s how I felt when I first came across the story
Me too I was surprised too when I first heard about it through "The Night Lives On" by Walter Lord.
Cpt Lord should've headed over to the scene; it is in accordance with int'l maritime law (1), and (2) it would've earned him and the crew big-time recognition .
Cpt Lord's testimony oftentimes conflicted with that of his officers.
I think it was a fault of duty on part of Cpt Smith to allow lifeboats to leave a sinking ship less than full
5:35 Yup... the party is over .
22:33 That's Thomas Andrews, not Ernest Gill
20:15 That's the thing too; how come Chief Officer Stewart didn't correct the captain .
31:21 I think so too
29:47 Whatever Mersey's failing might've been I have to agree with him on that; Cpt Lord twisted int'l maritime law by doing nothing.
32:46 The Lordites like to brush certain things off such as carpenter James McGregor's interview with the Clinton Daily Item and Ernest Gill's affidavit .
That and among other things the fact that the Californian was actually surrounded by loose ice, so it wasn't really impossible for Capt Lord to head on over and help.
28:31 That is suspicious .
33:48 Icelandic? I thought she was from Norway but anyway there was no way she could've been there also I guess this here is a different vessel, the Socrates .
The Californian was in no position to assist. She was trapped in an icefield herself. It took her nearly 8 hours the following morning to pick her way through to get the Titanic's last known position. That was in daylight, it would have taken longer in darkness. Lord, and the Californian, are unfairly treated sadly. Although, I will say, that Californians wireless operator, behaved abominably. Instead of waiting for Phillips on Titanic to finish transmitting, he just transmitted over the top of him. That is piss poor radio procedure. He was rightly rebuked, and should then have waited. He also didn't call up in an official manner to indicate he had traffic for her, he called up in an offhand manner. If anyone should take blame for any inaction on Californian, it is him. Lord hove to, kept steam up in his engines so he could move quickly, and was on a cot just aft of the bridge. He was not, as portrayed in A Night to Remember, fully undressed in his cabin.
Captain Lord definitely gets too much blame, the other officers on the Californian should share responsibility. I don’t care how mean Lord was they knew a ship was in danger. However, I still feel like even if they would have failed getting to the Titanic they should have at least tried. The white rockets made it clear they needed to do something even if they wouldn’t have succeeded
@@contexthistorychannel Given the different rockets Titanic is said to have fired, there was no guarantee it was a ship in distress. However, they should have woken their wireless operator. That said, as I said before, the system had a switch on it so that it would sound an alarm if the set picked up CQD or SOS. They couldn't know Evans hadn't set that.
If the Californian was really trapped then how did she get out of it,? Besides, the Carpathia ended up in the same ice area without any serious damage .
@@fmyoung @fmyoung Carpathia was not it in the same ice as Californian for a start. They were in different parts of the Atlantic. And Californian picked her way out of it in the morning. It took her 8 hours in daylight to reach Titanic's position. At night? At best, double it assuming they didn't hit something.
@@mgytitanic1912 8 hours? It took the Carpathia 3.5hrs to arrive at the scene .
I thought the Frankfurt was closest? No?
From the maps I’ve looked at Frankfurt was south of Titanic roughly about 140 miles
I just got this from Google; the Frankfurt was between 120 and 150 nautical miles away from the Titanic. This already made it difficult for her wireless operator to hear and understand the Titanic's calls.
This is my first time hearing this l still don't think its the titanic the ships were switched
Then you tell Robert Ballard that they were switched :D .
@@fmyoung thanks l spent hours watching videos about Robert thank you for your reply it's gave me a bit more to learn always a student. Have a good day my freind
@@01karmacop Same 2 U .