Why People Returned the M4 iPad Pro - What iPad Should Most Really Get?
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- Why people are returning the M4 iPad Pro? And what is the iPad that almost everybody should get instead? If you are looking for a new iPad then watch this video to find out why you may not want the expensive M4 iPad Pro and the reasons it may not be as good as you thought. We also cover a certain model of iPad that is the best for 95% of people. You can get a few items from Apple for less money that will give you a better Apple ecosystem overall.
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Yeah the software needs to change for sure.
i have a feeling what apple will be releasing over the year people will be wanting the m4 pro.
@@happyshadowI have a feeling…you will be wrong. Apples had incredible iPads since the M1 chips version came out and they still have a stupid operating system
Apple has shown they do not want to compete against their Mac’s
@@happyshadow We've all had the feeling every year since the Pro line began. I always purchased Pro, and eventually said "enough". Like other creators have said "Don't purchase something for what it might do in the future, buy it for what it does now".
@@KevinTspirit that sounds wise. i bought the new m4 ipad so im trying to convince myself i dud the right thing lolol
I use the 10th Generation iPad with a $20 pencil & a $40 keyboard case. It does everything I need & is a good travel companion.
Thanks and that's perfect. I just really wonder why people buy the M4 pro model if they are not digital artists. I think what you did is smart for sure. Save the money.
I agree, 100%! Another option is iPad Mini 6 + 13" MBA. I love the portability of the iPad Mini and it does everything I need. It's the perfect tablet for me as I travel for work.
Those are great too but also a bit more but not too much now. If that works then that's the best option for you. I just see a need for the pro.
The OLED screen is incredible. I bought it specifically for that and am not disappointed.
That's fine but the other screens are also good and so much less. I'm just curious why people are buying it.
I am buying it for that too
I bought it to try it out, and I am keeping it because of the screen.
Yeah, it's your money and if you like it then keep it. Everybody is different and I was just talking that most people don't need it but some will want it. That's fine.
Myself included. Between my art and photography, it's a real winner 🎉
I love my M4. Everyone should just get what is right for them and in their budget.
Maybe but I am just saying why pay extra when the OS has become limited factor. Get what is right for you and I'm just helping people who do not need an m4 in an iPad. Overkill for most on ipadOS.
I totally agree with you. I was expecting a lot from WWDC, but it ended up with big disappointment. The M4 chip on iPad is totally wasted.
Yeah sadly enough that much power is not needed on the current MacOS and I don't think Apple will change that any time in the next 5 years.
Ipad air better.
@@erwin734 No, the iPad Air M2 is too expensive, for less money you can buy an even better iPad Pro 12.9 M2 that has a 120Hz display and a Thunderbolt 4 port.
I had a iPad Air M1, never used it other than viewing the web, TH-cam and using as a Kindle reader. Sold it back to Best Buy for $320 after using it for two years, and bought the yellow iPad Gen 10 for $350, Cost me $30 for a new system with a new 1 year warranty. Would never be able to justify the M4 based on my humble usage.
I picked up the M1 Air 5 when it went on sale for $399 after the new tablets released. Overkill for my humble usage too but I couldn't resist the sale price.
Yeah funny I have yellow one too. Thought it looked nice and it's more power then I need. I usually upgrade and trade old one in every three years. Thanks.
I dont mean to judge and i know its non of my business with what you do with your money, but in all honesty, seriously?? You downgraded your ipad air 5 for an ipad 10th gen, i dont mean ti be disrespectful but that is absolutely the worst decision anyone can make when it comes to ipads, you not only cut off potential years more of OS updates, you also downgraded when it comes to performance, yes ik it doesnt make a difference now, but in the long term, the better performance of the M1 on the Air, will hold up way better in the long term compared to the A14 bionic of the 10th gen, and not to mention you sold your Air 5 at a loss and bought the 10th gen for $30 more which is just stupid (no disrespect intended)
I like the video and the insight you provided. I was wondering something though: who then should pick up the M2 iPad Air? I work overseas teaching English and my 7th gen iPad has been a great help in and out of the classroom. Would it be a good time for me to upgrade to that iPad or to the 10th gen?
Thank you. I would say the Air or the 10th Gen would be a good upgrade for you. I mean the 10th gen is only $339 I think on sale right now but the Air isn't that much more. Either of those would be good for you but I don't think you would need the Pro and there is no need to spend the money on that. Good luck with everything.
Hi Craig, I want an Ipad mostly for reading alone. I actually compared the new pro to the previous air models and was amazed at how easy it was on my eyes when reading on the new pro especially when slowly scrolling. Is this something you have experienced or heard from others? Is this a valid factor for spending a lot more?
It depends on if you value it enough I guess. I myself am amazed that people spend all that money on the Pros but I'm just curious on what makes them buy them. Thanks for sharing.
@@craigneidel I appreciate your reply thank you!
No problem. Thanks for watching.
im still using my iPad Pro 12.9 M1 worls like a beast!!!! i bought it from best buy geek squad refurbished around $550.
Nice deal and the M1 is more than enough power for sure on iPad OS
I am using iPad Air 4 and it's more than I need hardware wise 😊
For sure and that is a great device too.
Should i get the 2022 m2 ipad pro with mini-led or get the 2024 m4 ipad pro
No need for me iPad. Save the money. Actually get a MacBook in my opinion.
Always love your logic , keep it coming..Cheers ✌
Thanks for the nice words.
I got the new iPad Pro 11 inch. I had a M1 12.9 inch iPad but it was so cumbersom and awkward for it being a portable device. I couldn’t use it in my lap nor hold it for long periods without fatigue. The new 11 inch with the oled is amazing. Probably the last iPad I’ll keep until 7 years from now. That 10th generation got me very concerned with the workload the thing can do
Yes
Maybe but if you connect to a keyboard it's heavier then some MacBooks so portability isn't a factor with a keyboard. Do you do digital work like art work etc.? Just curious.
I come from iPad Air 2 and upgrade with M4 , for me it’s expensive, the only thing I keep it is because Best Buy have promotion of 24 months no interest, I only use it for construction work and normal things around the house. Tomorrow is my last day to be able to return, do you think I should do it?
I would and pick up refurbished air on apples refurb store or get 10th Gen. But only you can make the decision that is best.
Still rocking my 12.9 M1. Works perfectly!
Keep it for as long as it lasts. Nice
Just got the 11 inch M4 iPad Pro 256GB model.
One store got one in return and it was sold with full warranty in the original box and condition is as new.
Saved me 220$ and still got what is basically a new device with full warranty.
Not a bad deal and that is one way to save.
I’m got the m2 air 11” at $600 with the pencil as part of the student discount. I had the pro added to my cart but realised I don’t have and will not have the use case for that in the next 2-3 years so the air it is. Thanks for knocking some sense into us! TH-camrs in general have the tendency to show/use the best and we often forget that we are not all video/photo editors, animators or artists. All of whom can still use the M2 Air. The only worthy upgrade is the oled display which is not worth the $400.
The M2 Air is perfect and save your money for a rainy day. Trust me I'm a bit older and they do come.
I don’t expect that!! Great video, what a surprise.
Thanks for watching.
Great recommendation! Thank you.😊
Thank you.
I upgraded to the iPad M4 Pro and it is my new on move laptop. I use a lot of the Adobe Suite, live in Illustrator, and Photoshop. I will KEEP it!!!
Why that over a MacBook. I mean using those programs on a Mac seems so much easier. I'm just curious. Do you draw?
I still have my 2018 12.9 iPad Pro and contemplating about upgrading due to my poor battery life and cracked screen not sure if I should get the M2 pro or M4 the air isn’t really on my radar as I feel it’ll be a downgrade due to the 60Hz 😅
I'm not that sensitive to 60 HZ vs 120 HZ and I don't really care but I know we are all different so get what works best for you. Thanks for watching.
I am considering this just to be able to use davinci resolve when out of my office (with the bm panels) but I'm mad thst it doesnt have a second tb4 port and that I cant run mac os on it with the keyboard especially at the price.
Yeah, it has some trade-offs for sure. I just use my Macs for all my editing and it's easier on the mac versus the iPad for me.
Sadly I agree 💯% with this take.
I was due for an upgrade and was waiting to pull the trigger on an M4 after WWDC. I was hoping for Xcode or even macOS mode.
Got nothing. So I bought nothing. Apple is fumbling the bag with the iPad Pro line.
Snapdragon X Elite is coming…
Yeah, not much came of the iPadOS keynote. The snapdragon seems to have it's own issues but I still think the MacBook is the best choice for series work unless you are a digital artist that needs an iPad for specific things.
Thank you, bro.
You put my mind at ease, man
Funny, thanks for watching.
I have iPad air 13 inch with M2 chip. It is getting very hot while creating apple notes. Even after closing all the applications and restarting the tablet there is no change.
Something is wrong then. Mine is cool for stuff like that.
I suspect you’re using an Apple Pencil with notes. This is an issue and has been for years that the iPad seriously heats up and drains the battery. It’s NOT that something is wrong. It’s a common complaint for which there are many complaints in comments on TH-cam. I’m told the Goodnotes app is better for this so I’m trialing it but it’s annoying that Apple hardware and software isn’t working together as it should.
I just returned mine iPad Pro 13’ M4 chip yesterday, it is the best hardware ever and super fast but my older IPad Pro with 12Z chip does all the same things a couple of seconds slower and the screen ins’t as nice but that’s it. For $ 1800 after buying the new accessories for me ins’t worth it.
For sure. Save your money. Yes the M4 is nice but it does almost the exact same thing as your device maybe just a bit faster. I think that's a good choice you made.
sir what is the expected price of ipad pro m4 in upcoming bbd sale, should i buy in back to school sale in 90k including apple pencil or should i wait for bbd sale ....?? please reply also expected price of apple pencil pro in bbd sale.??
I'm not sure what the sale pricing will be in any upcoming sales. We will need to wait to know for sure.
I totally agree with the exception I wanted a larger second display when travelling so I found a second hand m1 12.9” for 1/3 the price of an m4 one with otherwise the same specs - using it with my 14” MacBook Pro. Very happy :)
Nice, that is the best way to do it for sure.
Hi graig! Great vidéo I am a med student and I dont know which storage I should pick for an Ipad 128Gb or 256 Gb I've already have a laptop. Thanks for your help
It's impossible for me to know how much space you need on it so I would estimate it depending on how you will use it. For me 128 is plenty but not sure fore you
@@craigneidel thanks a lot
Welcome
@@craigneidel many thanks!!!
i am using an ipad 9 when traveling. there are a few things that are incredibly annoying (file management!), but with a bluetooth keyboard and, depending on what I am working on, a mouse (both for less than USD 30 combined) it does pretty much everything I need it to do, is super compact, and I am not worried about losing it, breaking it, or having it stolen.
Yes, the 9th gen works great and so does the 10th gen. I just don't know whey people get the Pro model is all.
Owning the M1 iPad Pro was thinking abt upgrading to the M4 but I’m hesitating. The OS s way too much limited but i kinda like the old « saw the iPad M4 in store ». Is it a bad idea?
I couldn’t agree with you more, I upgraded my 1st gen iPad Pro and my wife’s Air 2 both to the new iPad 10th gen we actually got ours last November for 1/2 off with a free year of 5G cellular service, so for $300 each I thought it was a heck of a deal and both me and my wife couldn’t be happier with our new 10th gen’s, they are snappy, and have done everything we have wanted with them, I play call of duty on mine with highest graphics settings and no issues at all, movies look great too, the speakers are decent, and the cameras are really good too, the battery life is amazing, plus I love the colors too we got the blue ones, we also both have the Apple Pencil USB-C which works really nice with it too, I don’t understand the hate that most reviewers and TH-camr’s give the 10th gen, it is a great iPad, and is decent quality and a great media consumption device but also can be a good dependable work horse as well
I agree with you for sure. I have never needed more power so I'm just curious on why people spend the money on the Pros when they are not digital artist or something like that. The 10th gen can handle must about anything I throw at it for sure.
Totally agree!!!
Thanks for watching the channel.
Totally agree. I have a 9th Gen iPad. Does everything I need. Looking into replacing my 2015 MBP with an M3 MBA with 24GB
Thanks, yes I think that is the right way to go.
I had a third generation iPad Pro for many years. I got use to the 12.9 screen and stereo and visual. I tried to save money and purchase the newest air. After doing so I wanted my old iPad back. So I just upgraded to the new M4 13 inch and love it. The surrounding sound is great and the viewing area is nothing to be compared with the new air iPad. I usually keep my iPads for 7 or 8 years before upgrading them. So in the long term I’m so glad I went ahead and purchased the 13 inch A4.
If you are happy with it then that's the right device for you. Nothing wrong with that. Thanks for watching.
I have an iPad Mini 6 and it is all I need. I take it with me when I travel instead of hauling around my MacBook Pro. I use it to consume media and for surfing the web and email. In fact if I really need to do some work the iPad is the last Mac I would reach for. I find the OS somewhat cumbersome and it is so much easier to get things done on a laptop or my Mac Mini. The new iPads are also expensive. Who really needs an M4 iPad?
On another note, I have always wondered why Apple has never made a touch screen laptop. Could it be that it would hurt their iPad sales?
Just a thought, I could be wrong...
Good video btw.
Yes, Apple won't make a touch screen as they make too much money from iPads. That is why they won't upgrade iPadOS to be more like a real OS. Just curious on why you didn't go with the 10th gen? What is better about the Air in your eyes (again just curious). Thanks for watching the channel.
@@craigneidel I am not against the 10th gen iPad. I considered buying one before I purchased my MacBook Pro. Too much money going to Apple at one time if you know what I mean. The Mini is actually slightly faster but you really would not notice that. The extra screen size would be nice but I can live with the Mini for the time being.
I agree and thanks again for the post.
I turned in my old 4th gen iPad 12.9" with the A12Z bionic processor for a new 13" M2 iPad Air and have no regrets
The air is nice. My point in the video is for most people the 10th Gen is all they need but of course there are people who just like an upgrade. Thanks for watching.
I’m trialing an 11” iPad pro and I have a 2018 iPad Pro. Yes there are some nice to haves but it feels so similar
Yeah, that is what most say. I know there is a reason sometimes but overall they are very similar. Thanks for watching.
I have the 13 inch IPad Air M2 and love it.
Airs are at least reasonable and nice for the money.
I still have my 2021 11-inch iPad Pro. It does everything I need it to do. I won’t be upgrading because there’s nothing groundbreaking; the new iPad can do that. I considered upgrading to the bigger size; however, after watching WWDC, I was very disappointed in iPadOS. I mainly use my iPad for gaming, media, and editing photos. There’s no reason to upgrade because nothing on the new one will improve what I currently use my iPad for.
Yes, for sure. Your experience would be almost exactly the same and I agree that you really should not upgrade until you see a need.
Watching this on my M4 iPad Pro and also did a bunch of gameplay videos on my channel showcasing its power with AAA titles. Needless to say, I’m very happy/impressed with it, the GPU has more teraflops than the Xbox Series S (4.3 vs 4.0 on the XSS), in a tablet that is super thin but sturdy, with processing power that beats the desktop i9 14900k in single core benchmarks, which I find absolutely INSANE,
Then you fall into that 5 or 7% that can justify the purchase and you are happy with it. That is fine also.
I have a 11" Samsung 8+. This new iPad 13" is perfectly light. It allows me more screen space for art. I LOVE its feel & of course, the Apple landscaping of its 'devices' as Apple ALWAYS wins in the design elements ❤
Yes if you use it for drawing then you are part of the 7% that can justify cost. Thanks for watching.
I’ve had quite a few iPads in the past. Over the years, it just became redundant tech. If it’s not replacing my MacBook, I won’t buy another. My Max iPhone settles my content consumption on the go!
Yes, that is another thing. The iPhones are basically iPads but smaller. So if people don't do digital work that requires a powerful iPad I don't see the reason for going with something besides the 10th Gen. I think that is around 95% of people.
I have had a 2018 ipad Pro 11 inch since 2019, but sadly my next iPad might be the Ipad 11th gen whenever that comes out cause one day the 2018 pro will lose support. Gonna have to get used to losing pro motion, losing the apple pencil gen 2, P3 color, and face ID. At least ill buy the 13 inch MacBook air M5 along the iPad whenever that comes out (I have an M1 MB air now with a broken LCD screen forced to use an external display).
The 11th gen might be a good device for sure. Keep the tech for as long as it works and then do the upgrade. No reason to give Apple more money unless you need to.
Still got the 2018 11” ipad pro. And honestly thats good enough
Yes, not need to upgrade right now.
This is a great take on the current Apple situation. I really needed to hear this. I did upgrade as a trade-in from M1 Macbook Air to M3, and also decided to keep my iPad 10th Gen with 256GB. You are so correct in your view for the great majority of people. They want the new Pencil Pro but don't stop to really think about how often they actually really used the previous, same reason why I didn't go with the S24 Ultra, and went with the S24 Plus instead, I never used the S-Pen on my old Note devices. Defintely see the iPad Pro for professional artist or business people, but not so much for everyone else.
Yes, I rarely use an iPad over my MacBook so for me paying over $1000 for an iPad is insane. There are people who draw and do other things that can justify the cost but I'm not one of them until it comes out with a real OS that will justify the power.
I picked up the M1 iPad Air 256GB, brand new for 549, Amazon. Love this iPad 🎉
Nice, but just curios on why the 10th gen didn't work. I think the Air is nice but just want to see why people choose that over the 10th gen etc. (besides maybe Ai in the future). Thanks for watching.
100% - I got my 13” M3 MacBook Air 16/512 ($1,400 at launch on Apple Education store + great Apple trade-in deal) for ‘real computer’ tasks, and this iPad 10th gen 256gb ($350 new on Marketplace) with the Magic Keyboard Folio ($170 new on eBay) for my Netflix/Max streaming, on-the-go Excel tasks, work email app, and video calls. Great combo with my iPhone 15 Pro Max. I canceled my M4 iPad Pro 11 inch with Magic Keyboard and Pencil 2.0 order, saved like $800, and can’t be happier 🤣 Apple makes too good of a regular tablet to even look at Pro for a regular user!
Nice .. that's what I was saying. If you are not an artist why do you need a iPad pro. Just makes no sense to me but just my opinion is all.
Thank you for this video, yea this really open up my mind and reconsider what you're saying is true and does make sense.. All the other tech reviewers like to show and sell the new ipads n stuff n keep saying as if u need this new ones... Again because of what you said in this video, I might have save some couple of bucks already 😂
Thanks and just do what you feel is right. Overall though my 10th gen never has issues and if I don't need to spend $1000 or $1200 before keyboard and pencil I won't do it. I have a Mac channel but hate giving Apple any more money. I do buy quite a bit for my channel but I'm unique that way and for most I think the Pro isn't needed.
There’s a large amount of people on the apple website iPad discussion forum said that their new m4 iPad pro have massive battery drain. When they go to sleep and wake up next morning they lost at least 30% of battery overnight. Do you know if it’s a software issue or something else?
I have heard this too and I'm not sure. But it is a problem that is coming to light for sure.
@@craigneidel They also only have a maximum of 5 hours of usage too and why is there no youtuber talking about this issue🤦♂️ is it because their iPad have no battery issue or they just can’t talk about it?
@@craigneidelThe battery drain should be due to the brighter OLED screen which will of course consume more battery power..😅
For sure, thanks for the post.
lol glad am watching all the reviews because I’ve bought every new i pad pro but this one I have the M2 and M3 am still tyring to understand the difference both my tablets basically do the same thing as far as the OLED screen that’s the part that was pushing me to get the M4 how mush bigger is 13 from the 12.9 I’ll keep watching the reviews lol no rushes here Thanks for the review
Yes, I would wait a bit and see if you can try one before you spend the money. The experience will be very close and no need to upgrade quite yet.
If Apple made iPadOS a hybrid of iOS and macOS, I would consider buying it, even at a high price. But for now, it's like having the fastest car in the world locked at 40 kph. 😂
Yes, they need to do something like that to justify the cost and performance of an M4 chip.
macOS is not optimized for touch screens, so brining it over directly, like many people suggest, would be a total disaster. They need to re-do the entire iPadOS. Make it better at multitasking, equip it with a proper Files app, and develop more pro-level apps that would justify the need for M-processors. Surely one of the most profitable companies in the world has enough resources to accomplish something like that. But instead they are busy at drawing new Pride wallpapers for the next update… I love iPad but the way Apple treats it is just ridiculous.
@@pvkom26 Yeah, that is why it is better for Apple to make the iPad’s iPadOS a hybrid OS of iOS and macOS. Since macOS is a good desktop OS not curated for touch screens, and iOS is a good smartphone OS but not suitable for desktop use.
Hopefully the M4 iPad should show up in the Apple refurb store soon with a 15% -20% discount
Yes, that would be nice but I would guess another 4-6 months.
This thing is incredible for artists the hardware and software are off the scale . It’s not for typing or programming or spreadsheets you don’t need the power, But for drawing painting rendering large files quickly this ipad pro 24 is incredible . Please understand the ipad software doesn’t need to be like macos . If apple wanted to make macos run on ipad of course they could… but that’s the point the ipad os is optimized for a completely different set of tasks.
I have seen the iPad Pro in my Apple store and yes the M4 is bluffing when it comes to speed and this is an amazing piece of tech but...the OS it is unbelievable to have a so weak OS for a so powerful piece of technology. I will slowly upgrade my iPad 9 fror an iPad 10....iPad and MacBook Air are the best combination this configuration for my art business alongside an iMac. I don´t need nothing more maybe the next MacBook Air M4.
Yep I agree for sure
Bought a 12.9 256GB Wifi and Cell 4th Gen last year from a friend who hardly used it. It works perfectly for me on the road for emails, spreadsheets plus note taking. Pretty impressive as it has no M chip at all. I found an apple folio keyboard on FB marketplace for a song. All of this cost less than a iPad mini 6th gen 64GB.
Nice, hey if it works for you then that is all you need.
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How about the ipad Mini 6? It’s a perfect macOS companion.
Maybe, but for me it's so small that I might as well use my phone. But we are all different and have different needs for sure.
I still enjoyin usin my 11 inch iPad Pro M1 all i do with it is watching all my movies tv show and TH-cam that’s what i do most of the time on my 11 inch iPad Pro M1
Why don't you want movies on a TV? Just a question I'm curious about since a 11 inch screen for a movie seems small.
@@craigneidel i dont have a tv why should i get a tv it just a waste of money i rather have myself a iPad Pro that way i can watch all movies and tv show on the go plus i hardly never be home just to watch tv anyway
@@craigneidel my iPad Pro can watch movies tv show on the go the tv u can’t watch movies and tv show like the iPad Pro
The iPad 10th gen has a USB port and I can hook it up to monitors and TVs. Also glasses that I use called the Virtue and it works great.
The questions how much Apple intelligence you are going to use. To me it seems just like the move from 30 pin to lightning adapter. iPhone 15 pro or newer Apple Watch S9 or newer
I'll use it on my iPhone and Mac and don't need it on my iPad really.
So many people are returning them, because that was the plan when it was bought… most folks are just trying to get some views from it and then take it back…
I love my Space black m4 13
I also love the new Air 13 I got for my girl. I’m coming from a 2T M2 12.9 iPad Pro that I got through Verizon. For clarity I also got these new IPads through the carrier. I didn’t purchase these outright.
We also got the Magic Keyboards and new Apple Pencil Pros.
No regrets
Just ordered my iPad Pro 13 through Verizon this morning. Coming from the M1 11inch (gave it to my daughter). I game a lot on iPad … Warzone and NBA 2K Arcade Edition at MAX refresh rate and graphics will be AMAZING!! 😈
What do you use them for? I mean why do you need that over just the 10th Gen? I'm just curious and asking to understand why people spend the money if not a digital artist.
@@craigneidel I’m honestly just one of those customers that have to have the latest and greatest. I get every IPad Pro, iPhone and Apple Watch Ultra. I used to do the same thing with Samsung. For me id rather have and not need, than to need and not have. For the most part I use it for streaming services, but the occasion does come when I need it to be a computer, and for that it’s great. I could get by with a basic iPad, but I wouldn’t be completely satisfied with it knowing I didn’t get the best I could have gotten.
Yeah, but I was saying in the video for like 90% the 10th gen is best with a MacBook. If you like the best and have the funds then you are in that 10% that it might be right for.
Great product
Thanks for watching.
I would say it depends on what your needs are, and what you value. I have recentry upgraded my android phone, and tablet, the latter which is my main workhorse (android dex, emulation, dosbox eqvivalent and not to mention, the best screen for viewing movies and youtube videoes due to the aspect ration which iPads cannot hold a candle to). But I also have quite a few spreadsheets on my ipad, which syncs to iCloud. But my iPads are quite old now, like way outdated and unsafe as there is no OS updates anymore. So I could get myself the cheapest of iPads, and it would suit my needs, for a while. But the cheaper iPads are also a bit old now, and does not have much future left before OS updates are dropped to those iPads. And iPad Pro M4 will surely last the longest in regards to OS updates. But it is quite a lot more expensive than the cheaper iPads. And iPads do not have any ip-rating, so though my current iPads works still, even though they have been exposed to humidity, and perhaps a few water drops, a cheap iPad would not be so painful to replace if water damaged. But given its shorter lifespan in regards to OS updates, one should at least get an m-series iPad. But then it is not so much more expensive to get an m4 Ipad. So though I need a new iPad, but not for professional work or anything like that, for such a cost I would want it to last, and get OS updates for as long as possible. So though my needs may not be great in regards to iPad use, I highly value longevity and OS updates for many years to come. This I am unsure of wether cheaper iPads will fulfill. The way I see it, it is just a matter of time before apple drops the "not m-series" ipads from their lineup, and OS updates will stop comming for those iPads.
Thanks for the great post and you make quite a few valid points with it. Yes, there are a few people that can justify it for sure and I'm not arguing that but I think the vast majority would be better off with a MacBook Air and 10th Gen but that is only an opinion.
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6:04 answer iPad 10th , or when they decide to refresh iPad Mini , that one to me is the one to get, portability , price and convenience. Very helpful and straight to the point video, indeed combining it with a Macbook makes a whole lot more of sense
I do music production for various things...I do not need a M4 chip for any reason. I use a desktop Mac...and any iPad that supports USB Sidecar (all of them do) will be greatly helpful to have...but color accuracy isn't that important...as I'm mostly using the iPad as a plugin monitor screen...or a Video Window screen to sync stuff...not to make color accurate grading choices...
Like I said there are people who need the Pro but it's only about 5% of users is my guess.
I decided for M4 11“ with 512 GB because…
Till now I have an iPad Air 2 with 128 GB since 2015 and I want to use the new one for 5+ years to come 😂
Just a different approach
What do you use it for? Are you a digital artist... I mean why not just the air or 10th Gen. Or a MacBook... Just curious.
@@craigneidel The iPad is my Go-for tool for 99% of daily tasks.
E-Mails, document scanning and storage, listening music, watching videos, editing some pictures, writing notes, editing documents, banking, all those things I used to have a laptop or computer for.
When traveling I have a company notebook which I don’t use for those personal tasks described before.
The iPad is my companion like my iPhone on each day, at home and. traveling.
So, y you are most likely correct thinking that I could manage with a less expensive iPad .
But my decision is based on the fact that I liked the Pro Display better. And I decided that the additional 370€ are welll spend compared to the new iPad Air in my opinion.
The decision to go for 512 GB is simply not believing that the lowest number of memory is good enough and being to stingy to pay the insane price tag for 1 or 2 GB. My experience with thee iPad Air 2 was marvelous keeping in mind that I am in year 9 using it but now it is stumbling and showing signs of slowing down significantly. So my decision for 512 GB is simply a bet into future aging of my new iPad based on past experience.
My thinking may not be understood or approved by others but that was the result of weeks long arguing with myself and reading // listening to other peoples opinion and talking with some friends. Last but not least I also did spend some more than I thought I will have to spend but I am good with that because I feel satisfied on all levels. Good value for money spent.
Not sure if that long explanation satisfied your interest or just made you sick 😷
Thanks for the post. Makes sense and I'm not saying everybody should get the 10th gen. I'm just saying most should and you may not be one of those people based on your use case. Anyhow thanks for watching the channel.
It depends on what you are using it for .. for me it is my only personal computer and i know that iPadOS is cumbersome in some ways but not in everyway .. it is an alternative solution for cumputing .. the enhancments of the new iPad Pro M4 are multiplied in every use case .. for example the thinness and lightweitness; you feel it everytime you hold it and do anything from editing to social media to note taking to consuming content to drawing with amazing features of A Pencil Pro, the awsome screen; makes everything looks more enjoyable from your photos to movies to games to apps you are used to, The keyboard also got to an excellent level with materials,feel,weight and functionality, the M4 maybe an over kill for now but for later with updated apps and iPadOS releases .. you have a good overhead of performance that you know will come handy .. for example Apple intelligence will work only on M series and A17 Pro processors and AAA games will be released for high performance machines .. the iPad you mentioned won't be getting Apple AI, correct?! or AAA games .. if it is your only personal computer, you will love the enhancements.
Yes, but it seems like you do digital drawing so you might fall into the 5% or 7% of people that can justify buying a Pro. But for everybody else there is not really a reason to buy one. I mean after you add the keyboard from Apple it's heavier then a MacBook Air so that lightness goes away. Plus the OS is so much less powerful and the ports, storage, etc. can be harder to use. I'm not saying it's not right for some people. I'm saying it's not right for the majority of people.
@@craigneidelwouldn’t the main benefit of the lightness would be when using as a tablet, disconnected from Magic Keyboard - especially for a person who uses it primarily at home? I’m envisioning the keyboard sitting on my desk most of the time. Great video btw!
For those people the 10th gen is fine for content.
@@craigneidel do you think iPad 10th gen with keyboard would be sufficient as for use as main computing device for a senior citizen who has simple needs - calendar, tasks, notes, web browsing, accessing documents in cloud storage, reading kindle books, watching TH-cam videos, etc. I’m trying to find a good solution for my elderly mom. She has a MacBook, and old iPad, and an old iPhone. I’m thinking if she could use just two devices instead of three, both running iOS, that might be simpler for her - and for me, as her primary tech support person, especially since I use iOS but have a Windows laptop not a Mac. Considering trading in her three current devices for a newer iPad that she could use as her laptop and tablet, and newer iPhone. Any thoughts or recommendations would be appreciated! 😊
I think so but it's hard to know for sure. My mom uses a 10th gen and normally older people are doing basic stuff and it's more than enough for that. Email, simple docs, TH-cam, etc. it's great. Plus I upgrade very 3 years and trade it in for $170 so I really only spend about $170 every 3 years. Now I have a ton of Apple stuff because of my channel but if I didn't do that I would only have the 10th gen.
Love big displays and uses therefore the 12.9“ iPP since 2015. So for me the best solution was the M1 iPP 12.9 that cost me now half the money of the M4! The display with Mini-LED and 120 Hz is awesome and much better than this non-laminated iPad display. The M1 can even run Apple Intelligence, the Gen 10 iPad cannot. Did not need a keyboard because for more intense typing I am using my 15“ MacBook Air…
Yes, I can see why some people get it but what I'm trying to say is for 95% of people they should really go with the 10th gen and MacBook. For the few that need it that is fine. I mean an iPhone is basically a smaller iPad and will have Ai soon so for most I think that is the best setup.
I have an old style 12.9 inch iPad pro 2nd gen. I play games on it with a Xbox controller. I wouldn’t mind having a 12.9 inch IPad Pro with the M-1 chip in it since that’s the minimum requirement for some of the better games.
Thanks for watching. You might be able to pick one up at a discount now since the M1 chip iPads are going down.
Very good video. You got most of the important points already. I have a very old ipad, and have been following recent ipad development. The only reason I wanna get a new ipad is for digital art purposes only. But man, the new ipad is way too expensive. Why put a very expensive M4 chip there? There were M1, M2 ipad before this, and looks like apple is not gonna update ipadOS so we can take the most of the chip power AGAIN! Most of those who have m1 or m2 ipad before almost have no reason to update to New ipad. The only purposes i could see to update to newest ipad are probably just for the new pencil pro and oled display and you have to pay an arm or a leg for it especially for the 16GB RAM one.
If you do digital art you are in that 5 or 7% that might be able to justify it but most people don't do that. Yes, I agree that people who have the M1, m2 really have not reason to upgrade to the M4 because they just don't need that power on iPadOS.
Off topic, new snap dragons are out. I look forward to the general consensus of what people think so far.
Related to this video: 100%, that iPad pro M4 is the ferrari but that iPadOS, wow, it's like a tricycle lol. Not saying Apple should give us exactly MacOS, but give us something similar to dex or a bit of a fusion between MacOS and iPadOS.
I use my M1 iPad pro 12.9 mainly for drawing and browsing/youtube and I have to say..it's WAY too powerful for any of those tasks. I probably could have been more than good with the 10th gen iPad. I do like the 120hz XDR display on the iPad pros though.
Also, how do you like the 15inch air vs a 13? I always read that it's better since it's just a general bigger screen although some argue that it's not as portable as the 13".
So far I think the SnapDragons are not getting the best reviews overall. Yes, the OS needs to change for sure. At least you use it for drawing but I see a ton of people buy the Pro model and don't do that and I'm just curious why they do that when a MacBook for them is a better choice. I love the 15" and I have 16 GB ram and it can handle 4K edits and more just fine. It's a great laptop for what I do.
@@craigneidel Just saw tests and benchmarks for Xelite vs M3 air, and many of the tests, the M3 air beat out the X Elite although X Elite tend to do well because it has a fan. M3 kept VERY STRONG considering it has no fan which is insanely impressive.Although testers were using the M3 Air BASE version.
Yes, and hopefully the M4 will come out soon and that will change things a bit more.
I agree with 99% of what you said!
The only thing that I have to differ with is there are some games for example and I can’t play them on high setting’s on my M1 iPad Pro 12.9” even. I think I’ll skip on the M4 iPad Pro 13” for now though because I already don’t really use this iPad. I even have the keyboard case for it with the pencil and still it just sits as a battery bank basically for my iPhone lol.
As an aside, I will be upgrading from my M3 Max 16” MacBook Pro ($4,000) spec because I’m in the edge case of people who game on their Mac’s and use emulators. I didn’t get to spec up this M3 Max but I will on the M4 and stay with that for a bit.
Awesome video!
Yes, that is true and thanks for the post. You might then fall into that 5 or 7% of people that can justify the cost etc. and that is fine.
@@craigneidel 🙏🏽 keep up the great work!
Thank you.
Nay nay ....you take your Ipad Pro 13" M4 to the coffee shop.....& you are the man...😅....top of the pops 😅...the cream on the crop....you're on the red carpet...flash bulbs will be popping 🎉..you are up there ❤
I tend to look down on people who waste money buts that's just me. I don't fall victim to showing off things like computers watches etc. The only reason I don't still have my m1 air is my channel requires me to buy stuff. But 5 or 7 percent of people might actually need the M4 iPad but not many more really need to spend that money.
I totally agree
Thank you for watching. I was just curious myself why people need a M4 iPad with that software.
The iPad everybody should get is the old iPad Air 4 instead the iPad 10. And for power users the iPad Air 5. That’s it . 🤷🏻♂️
You have to remember the average user will never use more then the power the A14 chip. I mean yes the Air is nice but why does the average person need that? For some it's a great fit but I'm talking more about the majority.
Yes. If is only because the camera just rotate to portrait mode and stop having first world problems 🤷🏻♂️
@@craigneidelthe air 4 has the same chips but better everything
Maybe but I think the 10th gen is what people should get and also a Mac. Just an opinion.
I plan on getting the 11” iPad Pro. Maybe by the time I get around to doing so, Apple will have reduced the price, though I doubt it. I don’t need a computer running the Mac OS. There’s already one on my desk. I don’t need the keyboard either. I will probably get the new pen. It will be perfect for when I need something with a bigger screen when I’m away from home and it should be future proof. My last iPad wasn’t and that was a mistake. I’m now glad I didn’t get the iPad Mini when I was tempted to
Why do you need the Pro over the 10th gen? I mean what can it do besides the 2 inches larger for your workflow. Do you create digital art or things that require it? Just curious is all.
I haven’t had an iPad since my Mini 4 died a few years ago. I liked its size, but by buying it I broke the rule I’ve followed since 1989 - buy the newest, most powerful and adaptable device you can afford and keep it for a long time.
The iPad Pro 4 fills the gap between my iPhone 15 Plus, which will not run all the announced but yet-to-be released features, and my M2 Mini Pro, which will. It’s portable, lightweight and should do everything I need to do when I’m not at my desk, which will primarily be note taking, doing assignments for the calculus and science classes I want to take and research of all sorts, but I’ll probably end up doing more with it. The possibilities are endless.
I don’t want to be stuck with a tablet that will be obsolete in a few years or too heavy (like my old Macbook) or frustrating to use (like the Samsung tablet gathering dust in a drawer). I’ve put a lot of thought into this and the new 11” iPad Plus is the best fit for me.
Just a note but the iPad Pro with the keyboard is the same weight or more than a MacBook Air. In any case if the Pro is right for you then no issues. The video is saying for most people but you may be in that 10% that needs it.
I'm keeping my M1 iPad Pro for several more years. The fact that apple forces you to buy a new pencil and keyboard cover is further incentive against upgrading. Had I been able to keep the keyboard cover and pencil, I might have been tempted with an apple trade in offer to get the better display.
Yeah, why trade it in if it still works good. The M1 is so powerful for a tablet chip. Thanks for watching.
I’m also keeping my M1 IPad Pro, I would like to buy the newer one, but I don’t need to. The Software at this time doesn’t justify the extra expense.
I agree with you.
I was thinking about the new iPad… but I’ve already decided to stick with what I have… I don’t need to buy a 10th gen iPad, since I am writing this comment from my 10th gen iPad with the “magic” keyboard. I already own it so I don’t see the rush to spend major bucks on the new one. However I may spend less money on a MacBook Air 15” instead.
Yeah I think that is a great idea for sure. I think you can do more with MacBooks but I know everyone is different. Thanks for watching.
Wow! I’m a 5%er! 😂 Talking way too much sense! I like the take way of the MB Air and the iPad 10th. Great starting point and agree having both is a set up.
Thanks for watching and the post. Yes, I just feel for the money and with iPadOS that is the best way to go.
I got my iPad M4 chip with 512 GB just so I don’t have to replace it with a new one every couple of years. I’m planning on using this thing for 5+ years.
Maybe but I trade in my 10th gen every 3 years and it only costs me about $150 over 3 years after the trade in. Plus I have the MacBook Air with the M3 for power. But everybody is a bit different and that is fine.
The 10th gen can’t use Apple Intelligence. I have the new Air because I want that feature and a bit more future proofing, and I like the new pencil with magnetic charging. I almost bought the Pro, but you’re right that the OS still holds it back a bit. I would have bought Pro just for the screen if it was $200 less.
Yes, but I don't care and most won't. We will have it on our iPhones soon and the Macs so why do I need it on an iPad is all. For most users the iPad is rarely used except for movies and watching content so in my eyes the 10th gen is way more then most need. Now if you fall into the 5 or 7% of people who really push the iPad then the Pro is not a bad idea.
Still using my iPad Air 4 from 2020. I dont see myself ever buying another iPad. EVER.
PS: I bought one of those Mattel Electronic Football games 2:42 in 1978 for $24.99 at Two Guys department store in Schenectady, New York. Great investment. My mistake was buying the basketball version after - should have put that $25 on Apple stock).
Yeah I only get the cheapest one and trade in the old one.
I have the iPad Air 2 and so I ordered the 13 inch M4 1TB nano nano
what do you use it for?
I’m buying it mostly for the screen that Tandem OLED is incredible we gotta be honest.
Yes, and that is fine but I mean the other screens are great too and it's a small device. Why do you need such a screen on a 11 or 13 inch device? Just curious to be honest and trying to understand better.
For consumption purposes, 10th gen iPad is enough for all. I have 256gb iPad Air for work, and 64gb iPad, both download my purchased contents through iCloud as needed anyway. For production purposes, iPad OS and apps are usually designed to work for M-chips, some apps, in my case, Files and Numbers, just not work perfectly on my 10th gen iPad.
Maybe but that is what I was saying. About 7 percent of people might actually need the pro.
Craig, I like your videos because of the down to earth style. I also agree with your comments in this video. I have a M2 Mini and a M3 MacBook Air. I recently wanted a tablet to be super mobile and bought the 10th Generation. I thought about what I wanted it to do. It had to run Notes, Reminders, Messages, Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Contacts, Google Drive, maybe Pages. When at home I need it to listen to an Internet radio station with a Bluetooth speaker. When I work with spreadsheets I usually do it on the Mini with two monitors. If I have to be mobile with spreadsheets I use the MacBook. The 10th Generation iPad will do most things I need it to do. Too many TH-cam creators approach their reviews based on their needs. Like you said 95% of us only have basic needs that can be satisfied with the least expensive iPad.
Thanks for watching and the nice words. I totally agree with you. I think too many people get caught up in buying a device they don't really need. Most people could be fine with the 10th Gen for sure and with a Mac it's the best of both worlds. Anyhow just my opinion is all but I thought it would make a good topic to discuss.
What would be great is if they release a 2 in 1 13" - 14" foldable laptop with a touch screen and MacOS. The best of both worlds with the advantage of portability folded like a big iPad but then a laptop when you need the keyboard for work. I use a Dell 2 in 1 Windows laptop for work and it's amazing. I'm sure Apple could do it better.
I really never do use a touchscreen to be honest because I hate having fingerprints all over the screen. But I hear you on making a 2 in 1 but all they really need is to make iPadOS a bit more powerful.
Apple just need to put a touch screen on the Mac, or a decent full-featured OS on the iPad. We all know they're trying to force us to buy both, but it's looking obvious now.
Funny, I'm doing a video on a touch screen oled for a Mac in the next few days. Watch that video.
The video I needed, I use the iPad Air 5th gen atm and I almost upgraded which would be ridiculous for my use case and the update to iPad os just make it even more ridiculous.👍
Yes, good job of not doing that until you really need to. The iPad you have it fine.
Some of those people returning the iPad Pro M4 are TH-camrs who had no intention of keeping them in the first place and just wanted to knock out content like "M4 iPad Pro unboxed", "Why I bought the M4 iPad Pro", "I used the M4 iPad Pro for a week and here's what happened", "Why it won't replace my MacBook Pro", "I am returning my M4 iPad Pro".
I don't think that makes up a large portion of the returns. The question that remains is why did Apple limit the new features in ipadOS?
@@craigneidelI’ve personally seen hundreds of such videos on my feed. I’m gonna assume there are many more, possibly thousands. I don’t think that’s an insignificant amount of their sales. Not a majority of course, but I think this might be something on Apple’s radar.
Exactly!! Also I don’t know if it’s just me, did I miss the part were Apple during the launch event say we should wait for WWDC?
@@BaldwinDimeku they said wait for wwdc many times
@@BaldwinDimeku same - wasn’t just you!
I agree with you 100%… iOS 18 offers nothing that will tax the M4 chip in my M4 iPad Pro and that makes me angry just like the M1 did I traded in for the M4 when it came out.
The only reason I got the M4 was for the better display, that and it doubled my storage capacity too but it certainly wasn’t for any expectations that Apple would do the right thing.
I got the new Pencil Pro and the keyboard too and am pleased with them, especially the Magic Keyboard (that is worth having) but it is an expensive setup.
I certainly wouldn’t be returning it but I am disappointed that iOS 18 hasn’t been made to use the power available in this device.
Just curious of you draw on the tablet. Why don't you get a MacBook as the OS is much more powerful. Again, just a question and if you like that iPad that is fine for sure.
Even that 5% need mac os to make use of the pencil with pro software. So unless there's a major update I'd say its only for those who really like watching movies on that sceeen.😎
For sure and thanks for the post and for watching.
Finally a voice of reason!
Funny thanks.
agree 100%
Thanks for watching.
I have the iPad Pro 12.9 inch 2018. iPadOS 18 is compatible. I will be sticking it out for another generation. The price is M4 iPad Pro 12.9 is too steep for the features I would upgrade to. If Apple would come out with a hybrid MacOS/iPadOS OS then I am upgrading. So, I will look for the next gen. iPad Pro (2026?). No need for me to even get the M2 iPad Air (which is what I would get if I were upgraded from gen. 2 iPad Pro). So yes, iPad Pro M4 is very nice but can't justify it. Also, still on the fence between upgrading for what I do to the Surface Pro 11 or 12 instead of iPad. The new Surface Pro 11 looks very good. I have the Surface Pro 8 which I use much more than iPad Pro.
If you don't mind me asking why do you need an iPad Pro? Do you draw or do professional design work? Just curious on that to see how people use it.
@@craigneidel I do sketch work as basis for paintings and also need the full feature OS capability of solid file management. I don't absolutely need to put out professional digital designs (at least not right now).
Ok, but at least you use it for drawing so you are in that 5 or 7% of people that use an iPad for what it's designed for.
@@craigneidel The point is the iPad Pro can potentially do all of what a Macbook Air can do if it had an OS like MacOS. Then I don't have to buy 3 computers. I want to just have a desktop Macmini Pro and an iPad Pro and not have to purchase a 3rd computer in a Macbook.
That's fine if it works for you.
pretty good argument, although for a little mroe u can get. the m2 air or older gen air/pro ipads with more storage.
fun fact, look at the official apple store specs , m2 pro vs M4 and also even more interesting to compare the M2 air with M4. main difference is Oled Screen | 60hz V 120Hz and 8k ProRess compatibility both have the exact same thunderbolt.... which most reviews i seen that are praising the m4 get wrong..
Yes that is not a bad option but it really won't perform much better since only so much to do in ipados
No need for an m4 in an iPad in my opinion but it's just my opinion.
Bet , it seems apple is pushing the pencil pro and magic keyboard. Pro apps struggle to take advantage of the new iPadOS (yet). I also believe it should be enjoyed as a tablet! For iPad, I do not think many people will see much difference between A13 bionic+ and M series chips. (unless you need high rendering power). Appreciate your thoughts!
Thanks again for the posts. Appreciate your opinion.
The issue with the iPad Pro is not the hardware and any innovation related to that. What‘s holding back the iPad Pro to be a full replacement for a laptop for several years now is the iPadOS. Since Apple doesn‘t want to cannibalize the Macbook sales, I doubt this will ever change.
I agree and somebody made another good point. Many Windows users user iPads and Turing it into MacOS might jeopardize those sales too.
Why can’t I install the RT app on the M4!
What App?
@@craigneidel Exactly. Apple is a hardware manufacturer, now a censor and information trawler and foreign agent!
I think there is sanctions on RT not by Apple but by the government.
@@craigneidel Hi Craig, Do you think Apple should be enforcing government policy, censorship! It still works on my old iPad, and on Rumble! Their devious plan has been foiled. Thanks. 👍🤣
100% agreed
Thanks... I mean the 10th Gen and MacBook is better than iPad pro in my opinion and less money.
I think you are very right, I am using the Ipad for music that is why I bought the Air three when it came out and I think I wil go for the M4 now but that is because I think it will last for many years. And I have seen how demanding the ai stuff in Logic is for my old air, so I think all the ai stuff coming might be the reason to better go for the “Ferrari” for me.
If Inwas not using as a musician on stage I would simply buy an Ipad nothing more.
I am not interested in computers, I like the convenience of a tablet so no Macbook for me. Never looked back to computers since my first Ipad.
You then fall into the 5 or 7% of people that should consider the Pro model. But for most they should get the 10th gen. Thanks for watching.
If they would allow you to switch from Mac OS to Ipad OS on the ipad that would be the perfect tablet
Yes, but they would need to do something to make it easier to click on items. I'm testing out a touchscreen monitor for Macs and it's not easy.