Very valuable information. some great shooting too. Doing the hard work to make it easier for us that don't do this level of testing. giving a great start point for buying in tins. Thanks again
Thank you for going through all the slug testing,really narrows things down for us as shooters wanting the best slugs to match our rifles,job well done.
glad to see you got the tuning done and updated your kit. I’m waiting for my Javelin slugs to arrive to test those. i thought the heavier would do better as well but that’s what testing is for. thanks again for your work you put in...
What weights in the Javelin did you get and what diameter? My gun doesn't like the 23gn or 26gn in 218's, but loves the 30gn's in 217 and 218, haven't tried the 34gn yet as they don't fit into the old magazines. The slugs are made of very soft lead and the expansion when hunting is probably the best in market. I found the H&N's slightly more accurate but they are hard with a very shallow hollow point, not the best combination for hunting. Still prefer cheaper pellets up to 50m.lol.
@@oropezamiguel7278 The H&N's are very forgiving in just about any barrel. They are very accurate, the only draw back is the lack of expansion when hitting a prey. I would rate H&N at 8,5/10 Shoot what works for you, don't let TH-camrs influence you, only chabge slugs/pellets if you are not happy with your current results.
@AimSmall dear gert fx maverik 700 superior hn slug example: 21gr than 23gr, 23gr than 25g. Is there a need to wipe the barrel when it passes? I'm asking, I'm waiting for your. answer
The FX has a smooth barrel, no cleaning needed, but some of the slugs have weird lubes on it, might be worth the while to clean the barrel just in case.
Hello.. Tremdous video.. What is the equal porsentage of similarities between the zelos and the M69B ? Are these guns the same gun and how so is the similarity between them both ?
I have a question, How far past the transfer port does the rifling start, And does the pin probe push the slug onto the rifling or does the slug stop just short (5mm) of the rifling. Ie is the slug sitting in the smooth part of the chamber or does it push into the rifling. I have noticed that the pin probe embeds into the rear of the slug rather than push the slug into the rifling.
The naming on the block is the Series of the gun, from the original one, to the first Smooth Twist to the MKII and now the latest MKIV... just the model name. Very few guns can shoot slugs like the FX.
Hi Johan. I don't have sponsorship for guns or anything else, thus all my work is funded out of my own pocket... I do however have some knowledge of most FX guns as I am looking into buying another one soon, The Dreamline is top of the list currently, very nice gun, light accurate and stunning to look at, it loves the 18gn pellets, the only thing I don't like about it is the shot count (the compact version), I shot with one the other day and got about 36 shots per fill - running 15,89gn JSB's at 950fps... so it was setup to run hot.I shot a 2" group at 100y, accurate little bugger. The "lite" is stunning in the FT tactical stock, I would love to get this gun with the Saber Tactical FT stock in .177.I wouldn't buy the compact unless you need something very short with fold-able stock. Shot count is important for me.
I have the same setup , very pleased with the increase velocity with little sacrifice to shot count , the slug grouping has tightened considerably ! You don’t mention feed issues with the cartridge , are you using a single feed tray with your testing ?
Hi ho. I have the old MK I magazine, it takes all the 30gn slugs with ease, the 34gn's however are to long, they fit into the newer 22 shot magazine, but not in the old 18 shot.
Hello enjoy your videos,I’d like to ask a question if you don’t mind,I have the same setup as you except my gun is .25cal.and I have the slug kit installed but I find I’m going through a lot of air per clip of slugs is that why you aren’t using it,what would you recommend I do.thank you for your time.Nathan
Hi Nathan, it sounds more to me that the gun is not optimally setup, my shot count was very bad until Gerhard at Patriot serviced it, polished the hammer a bit and adjusted the reg, valve and hammer spring. Those .25's are awesome guns, but they need a good tune to get the most out of them. Are you shooting slugs or pellets? Pellets have a bigger cavity in the back, and the slightly larger holed probe works like a charm, for flat based slugs I prefer the pin probe to get more air onto the slug which in terms mean less reg pressure needed and higher shot count. What reg pressure are you shooting at?
@@AimSmall hello,I’m shooting slugs with superior slug liner,bar at 150 speed is average 1009 FPS valve 3 lines it shoots great I just don’t get very high shot count.thanks for your response.nathan
@@Nate70 I don't have any experience with NSA slugs, they are very expensive in South Africa, running 36gn slugs at 1000fps is going to require a very high reg in 600mm barrel format, I know that Airhunters shoot 34gn slugs at 1000fps but their regs is at 170bar and they get about 34 -40 good shots with a 500cc bottle
Have you tested length of slug, With a deeper hollow point would give a longer slug to keep the weight the same, Just curious if a longer slug would be more stable than a shorter slug with a shallow hollow point.
@@AimSmall so it would make sense to deepen the hollow point and adjust the swager so the lead is added to the length. Might AVE to try it and run it through the chrony
@@PeakyBlinder Yes, it will make the slug longer, but their is a fine balance when it comes to the distribution of the weight. I have seen long slugs like the FX Hybrid, needs a lot of speed to stabilize. The producers of the light weight slugs all went this route of deeper broader hollow points to try and lengthen the slug. You lead compount starts to become an issue here as well.
Good results. I’m still a fan of the lighter slugs. My slug liner a shoots the 23 grain 2.18 sub Moa at 100 all day long. And the way I have it set up the 25 grain jsb monsters have the exact same poi as the 23 grain slugs at 50 yards without having to change a single setting. Beautiful.
That is a nice setup indeed, I got the 26gn slugs and Redesigned JSB's to hit the same spot at 30m by just changing the power wheel. Awesome for quick change overs.
Hello mate, what weight do you recommend to shoot at 60 70 mts the h / n of 23.25 or 27 grams, I have the impact mk2 pp barrel of 700mm with superlight upper lainer, your videos are very helpful, thanks
Finally the 100m !😁 And you have almost exactly the same setting (and outcome) as me; the only setting you did not say was the valve...mine is all in. Also, did you install the weaker valve spring and washers or not? And I hate to say it (no I don't 😂 ), but I told you so ! The H&N are VERY good, I use the 25gr .217...coincidentally the .218 also lose just a bit comparing with the .217. Do you know what you are missing right now??...magazines to hold the 30gr.😁 DO NOT shoot pellets with that wind...you will have a heart attack. 🤣 Waiting for the next episodes... Thank you. 👍
MMM yes the H&N are super accurate, I still need to test expansion when hitting a target with them, the hollow point is very shallow and doesn't allow for a lot of expansion at all. But that will be a future video indeed. Valve is all the way open at 4 lines. I tested the 30gn Javelins at 930fps and they are awesome and they fit into my current magazine... might go that route, not in the mood for the new magazine setups...
@@AimSmall in the recent ones I guarantee they fit...I mean the recent SMALL ones, just like the ones you use but with the opening lid...no need for new setups.
@@MMM-RATTING Will have to get me some, the Javelin 30gn has been grouping extremely well, would be a nice comparison, will have to add expansion tests as well.
Hello! I've been following you for a few months and I thank you for the videos you post because they are very informative !! I wanted to ask you what is the improvement made by Gerald ... you just lowered the pressure regulator from 150bar to 125bar ?? or have you moved the adjusting screw of the drive wheel? how many mm do you have in register? have you weighed down the spring of the striking mass with the 2 washers present in the slug power kit? the spring did you keep the original or that of the kit? thank you and sorry for the many questions but I am new in these pcp and I wanted to understand more ...
Just as curious as I am... Gerhard got the balance in the gun down to perfection, there is a triangle that works together: Valve Adjustment, regulator and Hammer spring, my gun was totally out of sync (it doesn't have the power kit - I bought the power plenum separate, the dual flow separate and Gerhard build the pin-probe as a tester), the pin-probe also scraped into the barrel and cocking was not smooth. After aligning all the internal parts he sat for a few hours and plenty of slugs to get the trio balanced. My gun purrs at the moment, from 230 bar down to 130 bar I get almost 5x18 mags on full power. Before the tune I only got 3.
Great to see you back on again been waiting for the 100m tests. Only thing i can think of with the 27/218 is that if the wind changed sides you might have had a hydraulic jump effect..... or the barrel just doesn't like them
Probably the wind affect on your groups. My Dreamlite in .22 with 500 mm superior pellet liner will shoot the 21g .217 at 925fps 3/4 inch groups at 100m in more favourable wind conditions
Jy moet die toetse binnehuis doen. Dan sal die werklike resultate kry. Die toetse het ook die skut se vermoe in die toets. Jy skiet nie te sleg nie. Jy moet in agneem dat as 'n wind so waai, net die skote wat by mekaar skiet in die selfde wind kondiesie geskiet is. My vermoede is dat die skote van die laaste groep wat laag is, is die wind rigting wat gedraai het.
Ja Nick, as ek maar net 'n 50m binnehuise plek kon kry. Sug. Selfs by Patriot se 40m baan speel die wind 'n rol, die dak suig vars lug in en afhangende van watter deure oopgemaak is trek die lug in ander rigtings deur. Ek benodig ook 'n geweer klamp om die geweer 100% stil te hou vir elke skoot.
Very valuable information. some great shooting too. Doing the hard work to make it easier for us that don't do this level of testing. giving a great start point for buying in tins. Thanks again
Great videos and excellent testing, thank you for all the effort you put into this and for sharing the results!
Thank you for going through all the slug testing,really narrows things down for us as shooters wanting the best slugs to match our rifles,job well done.
I have to say, you put out some good videos with the least amount of fluff. Thanks.
I love the efficiency of your videos👍🏻
glad to see you got the tuning done and updated your kit. I’m waiting for my Javelin slugs to arrive to test those.
i thought the heavier would do better as well but that’s what testing is for.
thanks again for your work you put in...
What weights in the Javelin did you get and what diameter? My gun doesn't like the 23gn or 26gn in 218's, but loves the 30gn's in 217 and 218, haven't tried the 34gn yet as they don't fit into the old magazines. The slugs are made of very soft lead and the expansion when hunting is probably the best in market. I found the H&N's slightly more accurate but they are hard with a very shallow hollow point, not the best combination for hunting. Still prefer cheaper pellets up to 50m.lol.
@@AimSmall my rifle loves the 30 grain .218 and it's not a fx
@@oropezamiguel7278 The H&N's are very forgiving in just about any barrel. They are very accurate, the only draw back is the lack of expansion when hitting a prey. I would rate H&N at 8,5/10
Shoot what works for you, don't let TH-camrs influence you, only chabge slugs/pellets if you are not happy with your current results.
Love your no BS videos short sweet and to the point good information . I am a big fan 😉
Nicely done as always Gert.
Another great video and you can hear the difference the tune has made.
I don’t have to spend time and money to do the testing. Consider yourself heartily thanked. Accept my endless gratitude. 😄
Happy New Year to you and yours. Thank you for all your videos. Stay healthy and safe.
Thank you and all the best for 2021
Thank you for your videos. I believe in pellets out to 75 yds max. Further out, I will trust the slugs best.
Nice work and congratulations on joining the boys on airgun 101
Another informative video.
Really enjoy your channel
Good work.
Getting a lot of fun with watching your investigations! Good luck!
Great job man!!!
excellent as always
Very nice results bud 👍
Thanks for video
UK sub 12 shooter like your videos good information I wish others would watch your videos information is always useful thanks for your efforts 👍
Eres el mejor, tus vídeos son los mejores
Really enjoying your informative videos - keep it up please. Where is it that you do your outdoor shooting??
@AimSmall dear gert fx maverik 700 superior hn slug example: 21gr than 23gr, 23gr than 25g. Is there a need to wipe the barrel when it passes? I'm asking, I'm waiting for your. answer
The FX has a smooth barrel, no cleaning needed, but some of the slugs have weird lubes on it, might be worth the while to clean the barrel just in case.
You are the best bro.
Hello..
Tremdous video..
What is the equal porsentage of similarities between the zelos and the M69B ?
Are these guns the same gun and how so is the similarity between them both ?
2 different guns, two different plannets.
I have a question,
How far past the transfer port does the rifling start,
And does the pin probe push the slug onto the rifling or does the slug stop just short (5mm) of the rifling.
Ie is the slug sitting in the smooth part of the chamber or does it push into the rifling.
I have noticed that the pin probe embeds into the rear of the slug rather than push the slug into the rifling.
Use the heavy liner for slugs over 23 grain. The twist rate need to be higher to stabilize the havier slugs.
great video. What setting on the power wheel were you on with the 27g ?
Max power
Why is the meaning or relation of the FX written on the control block of this gun ?
Which other gun use the brand of slug this gun do use ?
The naming on the block is the Series of the gun, from the original one, to the first Smooth Twist to the MKII and now the latest MKIV... just the model name. Very few guns can shoot slugs like the FX.
THANKS
Morning Gert love your reviews. Do you only review pellets or slugs or do you review guns also. What is your opinion on the FX Dreamline slim
Hi Johan. I don't have sponsorship for guns or anything else, thus all my work is funded out of my own pocket... I do however have some knowledge of most FX guns as I am looking into buying another one soon, The Dreamline is top of the list currently, very nice gun, light accurate and stunning to look at, it loves the 18gn pellets, the only thing I don't like about it is the shot count (the compact version), I shot with one the other day and got about 36 shots per fill - running 15,89gn JSB's at 950fps... so it was setup to run hot.I shot a 2" group at 100y, accurate little bugger. The "lite" is stunning in the FT tactical stock, I would love to get this gun with the Saber Tactical FT stock in .177.I wouldn't buy the compact unless you need something very short with fold-able stock. Shot count is important for me.
@@AimSmall Thank you I love your reviews cant wait for the next. Keep up the good work. Some hunting videos will be nice to.
Another great info sharing video - would love to know where the spot is where you manage to shoot
Due to irresponsible shooters the farmer closed the venue and I can't shoot there anymore. Peeved off a bit.
@@AimSmall Real pity that - looking to start shooting at more than 40m without having to join powder burners
Is this the superior heavy or superior standard liner please. Thanks Gert!
Superior Heavy liner
I have the same setup , very pleased with the increase velocity with little sacrifice to shot count , the slug grouping has tightened considerably !
You don’t mention feed issues with the cartridge , are you using a single feed tray with your testing ?
Hi ho. I have the old MK I magazine, it takes all the 30gn slugs with ease, the 34gn's however are to long, they fit into the newer 22 shot magazine, but not in the old 18 shot.
Because these guns are different for you which of these guns did give you most satisfaction and why ?
Hello enjoy your videos,I’d like to ask a question if you don’t mind,I have the same setup as you except my gun is .25cal.and I have the slug kit installed but I find I’m going through a lot of air per clip of slugs is that why you aren’t using it,what would you recommend I do.thank you for your time.Nathan
Hi Nathan, it sounds more to me that the gun is not optimally setup, my shot count was very bad until Gerhard at Patriot serviced it, polished the hammer a bit and adjusted the reg, valve and hammer spring. Those .25's are awesome guns, but they need a good tune to get the most out of them. Are you shooting slugs or pellets? Pellets have a bigger cavity in the back, and the slightly larger holed probe works like a charm, for flat based slugs I prefer the pin probe to get more air onto the slug which in terms mean less reg pressure needed and higher shot count. What reg pressure are you shooting at?
@@AimSmall hello,I’m shooting slugs with superior slug liner,bar at 150 speed is average 1009 FPS valve 3 lines it shoots great I just don’t get very high shot count.thanks for your response.nathan
@@AimSmall I’m sorry, I am shooting 36.2 gun.nsa slugs
@@Nate70 I don't have any experience with NSA slugs, they are very expensive in South Africa, running 36gn slugs at 1000fps is going to require a very high reg in 600mm barrel format, I know that Airhunters shoot 34gn slugs at 1000fps but their regs is at 170bar and they get about 34 -40 good shots with a 500cc bottle
@@Nate70 What is good shot count? That weight and speed you would be lucky to get 40 shots per fill
Have you tested length of slug,
With a deeper hollow point would give a longer slug to keep the weight the same,
Just curious if a longer slug would be more stable than a shorter slug with a shallow hollow point.
Longer slugs are more effected by side winds but seem to be more stable through the air. The shorter the slug the more difficult to get consistency.
@@AimSmall so it would make sense to deepen the hollow point and adjust the swager so the lead is added to the length.
Might AVE to try it and run it through the chrony
@@PeakyBlinder Yes, it will make the slug longer, but their is a fine balance when it comes to the distribution of the weight. I have seen long slugs like the FX Hybrid, needs a lot of speed to stabilize. The producers of the light weight slugs all went this route of deeper broader hollow points to try and lengthen the slug. You lead compount starts to become an issue here as well.
Good results. I’m still a fan of the lighter slugs. My slug liner a shoots the 23 grain 2.18 sub Moa at 100 all day long. And the way I have it set up the 25 grain jsb monsters have the exact same poi as the 23 grain slugs at 50 yards without having to change a single setting. Beautiful.
That is a nice setup indeed, I got the 26gn slugs and Redesigned JSB's to hit the same spot at 30m by just changing the power wheel. Awesome for quick change overs.
Please tell me what stamp number is indicated on the label of bullets H&N 21gn 217. These are the numbers above the barcode.
0074060220-00
Thanks
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Hello mate, what weight do you recommend to shoot at 60 70 mts the h / n of 23.25 or 27 grams, I have the impact mk2 pp barrel of 700mm with superlight upper lainer, your videos are very helpful, thanks
Both of those are super at that distance, I found the 27gr a bit more accurate out of my Superior heavy liner.
@@AimSmall ok partner and the last question is the caliber, 217 or 218, thanks for answering
@@joseorts3233 that is barrel dependant, my FX prefers 217's, absolutely hates the 218's.
@@AimSmall Thanks partner, I'm going to order 27 gr 217 slugs, your videos are very helpful, thanks
Is it possible the scope is out of alignment vs the wind
Nope, didn't allow for enough for wind, wind gusting so you can't adjust the scope properly.
Nice shotgun 👍
When test Javelin slug at 100m?
Finally the 100m !😁
And you have almost exactly the same setting (and outcome) as me; the only setting you did not say was the valve...mine is all in. Also, did you install the weaker valve spring and washers or not?
And I hate to say it (no I don't 😂 ), but I told you so !
The H&N are VERY good, I use the 25gr .217...coincidentally the .218 also lose just a bit comparing with the .217.
Do you know what you are missing right now??...magazines to hold the 30gr.😁
DO NOT shoot pellets with that wind...you will have a heart attack. 🤣
Waiting for the next episodes...
Thank you. 👍
MMM yes the H&N are super accurate, I still need to test expansion when hitting a target with them, the hollow point is very shallow and doesn't allow for a lot of expansion at all. But that will be a future video indeed. Valve is all the way open at 4 lines. I tested the 30gn Javelins at 930fps and they are awesome and they fit into my current magazine... might go that route, not in the mood for the new magazine setups...
@@AimSmall in the recent ones I guarantee they fit...I mean the recent SMALL ones, just like the ones you use but with the opening lid...no need for new setups.
@@MMM-RATTING Will have to get me some, the Javelin 30gn has been grouping extremely well, would be a nice comparison, will have to add expansion tests as well.
Hello! I've been following you for a few months and I thank you for the videos you post because they are very informative !! I wanted to ask you what is the improvement made by Gerald ... you just lowered the pressure regulator from 150bar to 125bar ?? or have you moved the adjusting screw of the drive wheel? how many mm do you have in register? have you weighed down the spring of the striking mass with the 2 washers present in the slug power kit? the spring did you keep the original or that of the kit? thank you and sorry for the many questions but I am new in these pcp and I wanted to understand more ...
Just as curious as I am... Gerhard got the balance in the gun down to perfection, there is a triangle that works together: Valve Adjustment, regulator and Hammer spring, my gun was totally out of sync (it doesn't have the power kit - I bought the power plenum separate, the dual flow separate and Gerhard build the pin-probe as a tester), the pin-probe also scraped into the barrel and cocking was not smooth. After aligning all the internal parts he sat for a few hours and plenty of slugs to get the trio balanced. My gun purrs at the moment, from 230 bar down to 130 bar I get almost 5x18 mags on full power. Before the tune I only got 3.
Aim Small Thanks a lot 🙏🏻🔝
My Impact M3 will not shoot H&N slugs , though it love the Zan projectiles and NSA stuff
Great to see you back on again been waiting for the 100m tests. Only thing i can think of with the 27/218 is that if the wind changed sides you might have had a hydraulic jump effect..... or the barrel just doesn't like them
I think if you take the bottom shot out of the group it ends up the best group we all get a flyer now and then love this guys vids
That’s the last group with the 218 27g
Probably the wind affect on your groups. My Dreamlite in .22 with 500 mm superior pellet liner will shoot the 21g .217 at 925fps 3/4 inch groups at 100m in more favourable wind conditions
Good shooting
100m /110y Sug resting? Great video. Thankd/dankie
Parabéns pelo vídeo.
Jy moet die toetse binnehuis doen. Dan sal die werklike resultate kry.
Die toetse het ook die skut se vermoe in die toets. Jy skiet nie te sleg nie.
Jy moet in agneem dat as 'n wind so waai, net die skote wat by mekaar skiet in die selfde wind kondiesie geskiet is. My vermoede is dat die skote van die laaste groep wat laag is, is die wind rigting wat gedraai het.
Ja Nick, as ek maar net 'n 50m binnehuise plek kon kry. Sug. Selfs by Patriot se 40m baan speel die wind 'n rol, die dak suig vars lug in en afhangende van watter deure oopgemaak is trek die lug in ander rigtings deur.
Ek benodig ook 'n geweer klamp om die geweer 100% stil te hou vir elke skoot.
@@AimSmall ook my probleem. Ons gebruik wind vlaggies. Sien wrabf.com
@@NickSchoonwinkel Ek chat gereeld met Kevin du Toit... Hy help nogal baie om goed an my te verduidelik.
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Shit…. I have just bought 27g…. I should have watched this video earlier :((((
Thanks a lot mate
You might be running these slugs to fast
I tune mine @ 925 FPS with 21gr
Tốt
I think you mean "Foul" language, rather than "Fowl" language in the comments. We're not allowed to talk about birds?! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fowl :)
Whahaha, thanks for the correction, my spelling is atrocious on a good day.