"British" Preamp Shootout on Vocals (Neve, Chandler, Black Lion) - #49 LIZIs SEWING BOX
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- "British" Preamp Shootout on Vocals
With this Preamps:
- AMS Neve 1073 DPA
- Black Lion Audio B173
- Chandler TG Microphone Cassette
- Daking Mic Pre One
- Dizengoff D4
- Focusrite ISA 428 MKII
- Rupert Neve Portico II Channel
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God, that ISA sounds fantastic. Such a brilliant preamp. And I love how underated it is. It's a Neve, but even cleaner and weighty, and costs so much less. Probably the very best of all these as an allround pre, and super cheap second hand, as no one likes Focusrite. My worst nightmare is Focusrite getting the same hype as AMS and pricing their products at the same level. These allow everyone to afford a world class pro preamp you'll find as a first choice preamp in the worlds largest studios, alongside vintage 1073's and the like. Good luck buying a V76 for the same price you'll get four ISA preamps. I'd say the ISA is probably Neve's greatest masterpiece. More so than the coveted original preamps. He took everything he had learned from them and perfected it into the ISA.
But 100% manufactured in the People’s Republic of China!
@@alecalfaras5936 Yes, in today's world means top tier workmanship. China is a horrible country in general, but they make some of the best stuff in the world. No corners cut, just straight up perfection.
You completely forgot the existence of the Portico II Channel. This is his last work and the culmination of his legacy. The unit punches really high in all fronts.
@@alecalfaras5936 But have you ever smelled someone`s ass ?
wow that chandler really had something nice in the mids and lows!
of course it did! For as much as it costs, it better!! haha!
@@therealliveguy awww yea!
Thank you so much! What a great comparison! Thank you for wav files! I couldn't even imagine that ISA is so great! And moreover I discovered D4 which is the most awesome from all of these!
Thanks for making this! My takeaway: (1) The Dizengoff's noise floor is highest by far. Because of this, I simply wouldn't buy it. (2) The Daking had the most open top end, but it's certainly not harsh at all. (3) The Portico felt the most "real." Hard to quantify this. (4) The Chandler had the best focus of them all, so I'd pick that if I wanted a tight sound -- probably great for drums, articulate guitar, etcétera. (5) The AMS and ISA were surprisingly similar!! Of course, I would rather have the AMS because of what happens when you drive it hard, but for clean sounds both are similar in quality. I would love to hear another one of these shootouts on something like acoustic or drums, so we can compare on something with a wider frequency range! :)
Hi Andrew, thank you for your comment! Good idea, i will make in the futer some shootouts with acoustic guitare...
Very interesting. In the blind test I preferred 2,and 4. There was a more 3 dimensional darker tone to my ear that I preferred. The bla, Isa, daking an RND all sounded great but were brighter and thinner. The dizengof seemed to have combination of the neve and Chandler and the other brighter preamps. Great shoot out thank you for doing this.
this is really good thanks this really shows me there are PRE that can do the same works as the NEVE
Hi Rosendo! Thank you and i am glad that the video helped you! All the best Andy from LIZI STUDIO Bern
no 2 stood out for me immediately
I'm glad I got the black lion audio because thay all sound the same to me.
Right that's what I'm gonna get
The Focusrite "Hands Down" has the best sound.
Even after filtering, you'll be left with a Huge Natural sound.
DON'T READ THIS BEFORE LISTENING
Here are my results for the blind testing,
of course the marks that I gave are only a personal taste !
1. Colored 6/10
2. More open 7/10
3. Even a bit ''better'' 8/10
4. Has a vibe 8/10
5. A bit clinical 7.5/10
6. Controlled 9/10
7. All over the place 7/10
I hope you find that interesting
cheers
For #5 what you mean by a bit clinical?
I like number 2. AMS Neve 1073 DPA the best
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I listened on my iMac speakers and even though differences were very subtle there, I locked on to number 2 immediately with number 6 being a great alternative which sounded just a bit more present, but otherwise just as good. I didn't know I liked Neve so much.
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I'm hearing some artifacts which I'm guessing is from youtube. But i really like the Daking and ISA
Hi, you will find a download link with wav-files at the end of the video.
Great shootout big ty!!
I like the Dizengoff D4 the most, seems like it has the smoothest top end and scooped a bit in the mids but on the raw files they sound very very similar
#4 and #7 for me. #2 also nice. Danke für den Test!
I think Portico has by far the most sonic fidelity.
Isa and BLA173 for me :)
Man to me the differences are so subtle, seems like eq could make them all sound the same.
Is there something one can do that the others cannot? Or do they all do the same thing equally well just slightly differently?
I like ISA the best.
Ohh. I missed it...Neve 1073 my favourite
I like #3 the best
I hear a grating distortion on all of them during the louder moments.
Instant subscribe!! You really deserve way more than 302 subscribers. Pro shootout! (2 and 6 for me)
Hi Robert! Thanlk you! Yeah 2 and 3 :-) Mr. Neve thankl you also ;-)
What is the mic that was recorded into these amps?
Neve and Chandler
Vielen Dank Habe ein U87ai welchen Preamp ist dein Favorit? Gruss
mit dem u87 der neve preamp
Danke 😊
ISA
Ich fand im Blindtest nur die No. 1 schwach. Bei No. 2, also dem Neve geht dann schon die Sonne auf. Der 4. gefiel mir nicht so gut, 5 - 7 auch gut. Allerdings sind die Unterschiede hier über TH-cam auch sehr gering. Toller Test. Danke dafür und lieber Gruß. Carsten
3 and 4
Chandler and Dakin all the way
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Den 1073 hört man auf Anhieb raus. Hat mir am besten gefallen. der Dizengoff hat mich sehr überrascht, war für mich die #2. Cooler Test, danke dafür. Check mal meinen DI Test aus, ist auch sehr spannend: th-cam.com/video/mjSYMo95-IA/w-d-xo.html
LG Thom
Hi Thom! Danke gerne geschehen! Ja der 1073 ist für mich immer wieder der Favorit. Der Dizengoff ist sehr schnell am zerren und wie der V72, dass Original, eher leise vom Level her. Schnelles Pegeln ist da wohl eher nicht so gefragt....wäre für mich im Studiobetrieb nicht tauglich, da ich für das Pegeln immer schnell voran kommen will.
Danke für den Link zu deinem DI Vergleich, auch interessant!
LG Andy - LIZI STUDIO Bern
Die Röhren Preamps haben das so an sich. da läuft ohne nachgeschaltetem Kompressor irgendwie nichts. Bei deiner Aufnahme vom Dizengoff hört man aber kein Zerren.
naja.... Tube-Tech und UA haben das ohne "Zerren" hin bekommen.
Der Dizengoff musste ich mit -20 Pad in diesem Video betreiben und dies ohne dass die Vocals übermässig laut waren. Dies ist aus meiner Sicht im Studio nicht wirklich brauchbar... Ich musste das File 16 dB aufblasen um auf ein vernünftiges Arbeitslevel zu kommen!
OK, das ist nicht so gut, wenn du ein 16dB Pad benutzen musst, damit er sauber klingt... ich bin jedenfalls froh, dass ich den 6176 habe, damit ich nach dem Röhrenpreamp noch einen Kompressor schalten kann. Somit muss ich ihn nicht so heiss anfahren und die Verzerrungen (auch harmonische) bleiben im Zaum. Beim API oder Neve muss ich das eigentlich nie.
Ja, 16 dB in der DAW auf zu holen ist sehr mühsam, vorallem wärend dem Recording um das Signal hörbar zu machen!
Anders gesagt, immer die Geräte testen, bevor man sie kauft :-) denn es muss nicht immer sein, dass sie zu einem passen, nur weil sie gute Kritiken haben!
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Same sound !
oh the world of audio comparisons and minor differences explained as huge differences.
Obsessive, OCD engineers trying to find the holly grail sound.
A great engineer on great kit can do a great job,
A great engineer on great kit with good kit can do a good to great job.
However, if the song sucks who gives #¢∞§¢
If the songs great on shyte kit - who cares.
And yes if the songs great the engineer great, the mix is great etc then truth some ocd, obsessive ¢$%$££ will say it sounds shyte anyway and you should have used preamp x, y or z.
So, for the money, hyped preamp nonsense with minor differences and big price tags.
Negative crtics always expected.
Rock and effin Roll
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All sound the fuckin same