To be fair it seems like the best course of action after imagining what would happen if the idea for supercharged shootaz came to the rest of the ork population
imagine being a 300yo space marine whose seen it all, expecting a routine Ork extermination with minimal if any casualties only to watch one of your brothers have his power armour blown clean through instantly in one shot the moment you land and realising as the shots keep coming this isn't a single super weapon but all the enemy guns
So, a normal encounter with the enemy then. Space marines regularly fight enemies that can piece their armor with no problem or worse. They all know one day they're going to die in battle, It's not really a surprise. As for veterans getting randomly killed by some lucky grunt, meh, that happens a lot in real life too, that's war. Sometimes luck is really the only thing keeping you alive.
Nah. More that they realize how they're little different to the meek mortals they're consistently lording themselves over. They've been reduced to using actual cover, reconnaissance, and having to keep their heads down, instead of being the zealous shock assault troops they were created to replace with their long shelf life.
@@venom0825 You type a lot while also missing the point. Expecting to have your armor pierced by necrons or elves is one thing but the usual drop to kill some orcs is entirely different. Losing a terminator to small arms fire is unheard of not "a normal encounter"
@bovineintervention276 the enemy bringing a weapon that can hurt even your big boys is indeed very normal in war, Especially in 40k. Ork have shown time and time again that there weapons are very dangerous, logic defying and can melt practically anything the imperium has. They are not an enemy the imperium underestimate. Practice every faction has something that can turn even a terminator to nothing, small arms or not. So again, a normal engagement. Don't talk to me about "missing the point" when you don't even have a point for I to miss.
The Thunderhawk performed a danger close on an Ork strongpoint, so close that Sgt Scipio (the tactical marine sarge from Assault on Black Reach) actually said that it was a highly risky maneuver.
The way ork genetic knowledge and technology works, that super weapon technology wasn’t even “lost forever”. When a waagh goes on for long enough, they unlock more and more tech. Thus, I can assure you, those super weapons can and will make a reappearance
@@i3lackfusion bro likely doesnt know how old this black reach campaign is. even i didnt know. in fact, which edition did those wars of armageddon came from?
@@Hyde-dg7ef I couldn’t tell you to be honest. I vaguely remember seeing yarrick (or however he is spelled) in an old ass white dwarf (like one of the first 30 or something), so it’s probably 1st or 2nd edition lore
@@Hyde-dg7ef given that its a river it means that either the river was realy deep or the orks didnt know how deep it truly was so their subs partialy dove through rock.....
I'd say losing a terminator and a dozen space marines to deny the orks a weapon that one shots you and your brothers is a sacrifice well worth making, imagine if that tech made it off world to other ork waaaghs, it would be a bloodbath.
To be fair, I don't think the space marines really contribute much since there are far too few of them to make a difference in battle (1000 space marines in a chapter), especially considering how a typical army might have millions of weapons that can defeat space marines such as leman russ tanks and xv8 crisis suits.
@@Verrin_the_Wyvern without space marines, Imperium stand no chance. It was space marines who were able to drove back War of the beast, hive fleet....etc
@@Verrin_the_Wyvern Just because those guns are called anti space marines guns doesn't mean they won't be used on tanks or infantry. If those things can punch through terminator armors how the imperial guard are supposed to stop them if they are available in larger quantities?
Barely worth it because Sicarius lost 12 line brothers. 100+years of training each. Plus a termie. That'a veteran with even more experience and skills. Plus a wrecked suit of termie armor, which is extremely hard to repair, let alone build. Lost 12 out of 100 fully trained Astartes. So yeah.... barely worth it 😢
Honestly, a Terminator and some battle brothers are an acceptable loss if it prevents the War for Armageddon from becoming super lethal for anyone in powered armor. Not counting lighter vehicles from the guard like Sentinels, Chimeras, weapon batteries, etc. that the Ork weapons could decimate.
Well, those Hive Cities were a lost cause for the Imperium either way, saving them would have meant getting at least some production capacity back on the planet, but killing the Warboss meant no other planets would meet the same fate.
Knowing Orkz, it probably was just a slightly bigger shoota with a dial on it that has the number "11" on it to represent it being supercharged and that's it
@@idc681its like the medi gun from tf2 theres a button and a dial that turns it on with a timer Ork shoota:ARE U SUR DIS WILL WORK? Ork mek boy:I HAVS NO IDEA
@@prodb4sed382 Yes, the design for far superior tech is already in their genes. Once they gather enough Waaagh energy from facing a good enough foe they’ll be back to building battle moons or given challenge things from The War in Heaven. They’re not dissimilar from the AbMech really. All their tinkering really is just rediscovering greater tech from the past
Hilarious, given Orks knowledge comes from their psychic link (I.e the more Orks there are the more mekboyz, weirdboyz etc. appear) Zanzag's Waagh was tiny. Like only 10,000 orks tiny, most Waaagh's that get mentioned are the big ones that have hundreds of thousands of orks sometimes millions, like that's (not including pdf or any kind of fire support thunderhawk etc) 100 orks per marinewhich for the tabletop would be impressive but for the lore it's a huge stain on the smurfs for getting bodied by the smallest Waagh in existence
I'm just imagined the creating process of this weapon. - zagzag coming to boiz with slightly bigger shoota "Hey ya boiz. I got new shoota that can blow that big blue hummies with one daka". "Sure boss, dat must have more daka, cause it was bigger" 😅
Keeping orcs in check and erasing deadly anti-marine technology is only worth a terminator and a few marines? I would’ve thought that’d be an awesome trade
12 space Marines is a huge investment of roughly a decade or so of training each. That's 12% of a company and over 120 years of training was lost. A terminator is a century+ old veteran possessing large amounts of operational experience and knowledge. That's not a loss that can be easily replaced. It takes around 120 man-years to do the basic induction process, and the combat experience of a terminator isn't easily acquired.
Space Marines don't rely entirely on their power armor, they face threats that can penetrate it all the time. They use speed of aggression and tactics to overwhelm foes, if their armor protects them then that's a bonus.
Remember that ork weapons and vehicles only work because orks think that they should work. This means that that these supercharged weapons were not actually better designed, but rather, the orks just believed that they were supercharged.
Supacharged shootas capable of one-shotting Space Marines would attrition their forces to unacceptable levels. Abandoning defense of the Hive cities in pursuit of hunting down the main encampment of these xenos before the Supacharged Shootas could kill too many Space Marines was a bold and daring plan, and thats why it would work, and thats why they were Ultramarines. The best of the best, First of the Emperors Men 👍😁
To be fair, the "technology" behind superchatged shootas might just be Orks not realizing thay Space Marines are meant to be tougher than the average Humie.
actually it was well worth it because if those weapons spread to the rest of the orks it would be a bloodbath for space marines who are humanities last line of defense.
CORRECTION, It will remain lost until Games Workshop decides it’s needed again lol Maybe even Ghaz Ghoul (probably spelt his name wrong) will be using them against Khorne Berserkers! And other chaos space marines
I dunno, 13 marines lost in an attack in order to nip potential mass production of these thing in the bid seems worth it. High cost, yes. But if he werent eliminated and these things became common among the orks, how many hundreds of marines would be lost then? And stopping them would be an even harder taks if more rhan one knew how to make them.
Obviously the orks lost. It was ultramarines. Was hoping for a story in which the ultramarines would finally not win, but then I remembered that they were ultramarines.
Ork weapons not being able to hurt space marines sounds like imperial propaganda. The smurfs just got complacent and it cost them. To claim the orks had super special rare guns is just poor writing.
Barely worth it. That's heresy. They destroyed a vile xeno threat to the emperors angels. An entire chapter of losses would have been still worth it. You must destroy any xeno with the ability to 1 shot a space marine
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I, Cato Sicarius have decided to hunt down Zanzag because I, Cato Sicarius, feel personally offended by Orks being that strong
The TTS voice is haunting me, Lol.
@@Konigshof
The TTS Cato Sicarius voice haunts all who have heard it, *there is no escape*
@Konigshof yea, i can't get it out of my head for all the good reasons, though
Im into wh40 sincr years but i didint know of tts, i got into a video last week, now i hate cato sicarius 😂
To be fair it seems like the best course of action after imagining what would happen if the idea for supercharged shootaz came to the rest of the ork population
"I, Cato Sicarius, am now very depressed."
I will never not read this in his TTS voice 😂
ultradepression
We need depressed Cato Sicarius
"How DARE they dampen the chipper mood of I CATO SICARIUS!"
I, Cato Sicarius, now have ultra depression
imagine being a 300yo space marine whose seen it all, expecting a routine Ork extermination with minimal if any casualties only to watch one of your brothers have his power armour blown clean through instantly in one shot the moment you land and realising as the shots keep coming this isn't a single super weapon but all the enemy guns
So, a normal encounter with the enemy then.
Space marines regularly fight enemies that can piece their armor with no problem or worse. They all know one day they're going to die in battle, It's not really a surprise.
As for veterans getting randomly killed by some lucky grunt, meh, that happens a lot in real life too, that's war. Sometimes luck is really the only thing keeping you alive.
Nah. More that they realize how they're little different to the meek mortals they're consistently lording themselves over. They've been reduced to using actual cover, reconnaissance, and having to keep their heads down, instead of being the zealous shock assault troops they were created to replace with their long shelf life.
“We took a calculated risk, but boy are we bad at math”
@@venom0825 You type a lot while also missing the point. Expecting to have your armor pierced by necrons or elves is one thing but the usual drop to kill some orcs is entirely different. Losing a terminator to small arms fire is unheard of not "a normal encounter"
@bovineintervention276 the enemy bringing a weapon that can hurt even your big boys is indeed very normal in war, Especially in 40k.
Ork have shown time and time again that there weapons are very dangerous, logic defying and can melt practically anything the imperium has. They are not an enemy the imperium underestimate.
Practice every faction has something that can turn even a terminator to nothing, small arms or not. So again, a normal engagement.
Don't talk to me about "missing the point" when you don't even have a point for I to miss.
"Clever use of a thunderhawk," eh? Sounds like something, "this is the greatest plaaan!" Charlie would say.
And there is an Ultramarine named Henricus Stickmanus. Who is just so incredibly lucky it defies all reason.
- I have a plan
- what plan?
- fucking good
The Thunderhawk performed a danger close on an Ork strongpoint, so close that Sgt Scipio (the tactical marine sarge from Assault on Black Reach) actually said that it was a highly risky maneuver.
"I, Cato Sicarius, can confirm that this is the greatest plan"
Barely worth it? Idk about this story til now but it seems like they had to eliminate them at any cost to destroy that dangerous technology.
Over saving the planet. Not really
@@mordredpendragon1235 nah, a WAAGH with Shootas that strong? That could blitz the imperium
@@mordredpendragon1235
That's how they saved the planet...
@@mordredpendragon1235 they would've conquered many more planets with that technology lol
The way ork genetic knowledge and technology works, that super weapon technology wasn’t even “lost forever”. When a waagh goes on for long enough, they unlock more and more tech. Thus, I can assure you, those super weapons can and will make a reappearance
They finally added water vehicals to 40k
tbf, this wasnt the first time submarins get mentioned. gazhskull used them during his wars of armageddon
Finally? What do you mean? Black reach was the starter pack in the like 4th or 5th edition irrc
@@i3lackfusion bro likely doesnt know how old this black reach campaign is. even i didnt know. in fact, which edition did those wars of armageddon came from?
@@Hyde-dg7ef I couldn’t tell you to be honest. I vaguely remember seeing yarrick (or however he is spelled) in an old ass white dwarf (like one of the first 30 or something), so it’s probably 1st or 2nd edition lore
@@Hyde-dg7ef given that its a river it means that either the river was realy deep or the orks didnt know how deep it truly was so their subs partialy dove through rock.....
An ork submarine? That's the craziest thing about this whole story
Naval warfare is underappreciated in 40K
You should read Helsreach
@@gardenthefermentingsound6218 i watched the movie on TH-cam i personally don't read because im a slow reader
@@anaklngameplayer2549i watched the movie since im to poor😭
That's how I learned about Ork technology. There was a picture of one of their submarines and I was like, "there's no way that doesn't just sink".
They had to use the strongest weapon the Imperium has: a named Mary Sue.
More like a Gary Stu, in this case.
Sicarius hasn't been a Gary Stu in a while now.
I'd say losing a terminator and a dozen space marines to deny the orks a weapon that one shots you and your brothers is a sacrifice well worth making, imagine if that tech made it off world to other ork waaaghs, it would be a bloodbath.
Barely worth it?? Oh man, if millions of orks got their hands on such weapon, Imperium would've been gone long ago 😆
To be fair, I don't think the space marines really contribute much since there are far too few of them to make a difference in battle (1000 space marines in a chapter), especially considering how a typical army might have millions of weapons that can defeat space marines such as leman russ tanks and xv8 crisis suits.
@@Verrin_the_Wyvern without space marines, Imperium stand no chance. It was space marines who were able to drove back War of the beast, hive fleet....etc
@@Verrin_the_Wyvern 3 space marines are already an army, the Imperium would've lost long ago without them
@@Verrin_the_Wyvern Just because those guns are called anti space marines guns doesn't mean they won't be used on tanks or infantry. If those things can punch through terminator armors how the imperial guard are supposed to stop them if they are available in larger quantities?
Barely worth it because Sicarius lost 12 line brothers. 100+years of training each. Plus a termie. That'a veteran with even more experience and skills. Plus a wrecked suit of termie armor, which is extremely hard to repair, let alone build. Lost 12 out of 100 fully trained Astartes. So yeah.... barely worth it 😢
Imagine how much fun this was for the orks
bet ZanZag just found a space marine's bolter and thought "this shoots mini-missiles....could be bigger."
Honestly, a Terminator and some battle brothers are an acceptable loss if it prevents the War for Armageddon from becoming super lethal for anyone in powered armor.
Not counting lighter vehicles from the guard like Sentinels, Chimeras, weapon batteries, etc. that the Ork weapons could decimate.
Another win for Cato 'fuck it we ball' Sicarius
Well, those Hive Cities were a lost cause for the Imperium either way, saving them would have meant getting at least some production capacity back on the planet, but killing the Warboss meant no other planets would meet the same fate.
" Do you remember the time "
Hey Peter, remember the time?
Ork knowledge getting lost yeah right lol another one will remember it eventually
Knowing Orkz, it probably was just a slightly bigger shoota with a dial on it that has the number "11" on it to represent it being supercharged and that's it
uh. No.@@idc681
@@idc681its like the medi gun from tf2 theres a button and a dial that turns it on with a timer
Ork shoota:ARE U SUR DIS WILL WORK?
Ork mek boy:I HAVS NO IDEA
Knowledge about ork tech is saved and passed on through dna, so it'd make sense the marines got rid of that knowledge by exterminating them.
@@prodb4sed382 Yes, the design for far superior tech is already in their genes. Once they gather enough Waaagh energy from facing a good enough foe they’ll be back to building battle moons or given challenge things from The War in Heaven. They’re not dissimilar from the AbMech really. All their tinkering really is just rediscovering greater tech from the past
Hilarious, given Orks knowledge comes from their psychic link (I.e the more Orks there are the more mekboyz, weirdboyz etc. appear) Zanzag's Waagh was tiny. Like only 10,000 orks tiny, most Waaagh's that get mentioned are the big ones that have hundreds of thousands of orks sometimes millions, like that's (not including pdf or any kind of fire support thunderhawk etc) 100 orks per marinewhich for the tabletop would be impressive but for the lore it's a huge stain on the smurfs for getting bodied by the smallest Waagh in existence
The plot armor faltered
Do you remember the ti-
No, no i do not. Please tell me
I miss Black Reach
Ahhh, my first box set. I shall never forget those goofy Orks or the magnificent Sicarius model.
It was worth it. It prevented more losses in the future.
Still them being Orks, another Techboy could possibly remember the tech again in the future.
Assault on black reach was my first box set as a kid god damnnnn
Knowing the orks gestalt memory, its only matter of time before a new Warboss creates the super-shota
Eh. An Ork would have to escape and reach other Orks to spread the knowledge
@@gardenthefermentingsound6218: That's not very Orky.
How a species can be so smart and so stupid at the same time.
Kill switches, orcs are a bio weapon never meant to prosper, only a war machine that needs supervision
The mission was incredibly worth it, if that spread it's basically game over 😅
Zanzag was the Ork equivalent of a mad scientist
Whe need more aquatic battles.
I'm just imagined the creating process of this weapon. - zagzag coming to boiz with slightly bigger shoota "Hey ya boiz. I got new shoota that can blow that big blue hummies with one daka". "Sure boss, dat must have more daka, cause it was bigger" 😅
Justice for Zanzag
“Barely worthy it” man do you how screwed if that tech was shared with other orc war bands, that was a blessing in disguise
Man assault on black reach was pretty awesome.
I guessing the secret as to why they were so powerful was because, “All Boiz Know Puttin Supa In Da Name Makes It Betta”
Imagine snazz gunz but every one of them uses rail ammunition
Ork Submarine!!!! Someone get me a book of Orks invading a Water World!!!
If they pulled out and could recreate the guns that would be very useful. Sounds like those guns were packing.
"Orc submarine" is certainly as combination of words
I never knew i needed a Ork Submarine as much as i do now😂😂
Keeping orcs in check and erasing deadly anti-marine technology is only worth a terminator and a few marines? I would’ve thought that’d be an awesome trade
12 space Marines is a huge investment of roughly a decade or so of training each. That's 12% of a company and over 120 years of training was lost. A terminator is a century+ old veteran possessing large amounts of operational experience and knowledge. That's not a loss that can be easily replaced. It takes around 120 man-years to do the basic induction process, and the combat experience of a terminator isn't easily acquired.
Orcs kit is powered by belief the orchestra billeted they had powerful shoots that could kill space marines so they did!
Man, knowing that only tech not even too far on like necron shit is all the orks need to fuck up the imperium for good is kind of terrifying
Shouldve baited a chaos space marine warband to fight this ork
They might reprint it like the Battle for Macragge
What book
Something somethin *CATO SICARIUS* something something
“The knowledge was of Super Shootas was lost.”
Meanwhile random Weirdboy: “I got a headache with pictures from Mork!”
Sage being the “smartest in the world” and also being a supe makes her incredibly untrustworthy for governmental figures. She has her own motives.
Space Marines don't rely entirely on their power armor, they face threats that can penetrate it all the time.
They use speed of aggression and tactics to overwhelm foes, if their armor protects them then that's a bonus.
Better s few then All, i am sorry for the losses however SpaceMarine
i could imagine that the supercharged shoota is just a side arm for the krork army
Space Marines are literally asking for it when they go about without their helmets on.
Smh Orks should have just had Dan Abnett write their lore so they can beat marines with plot devices instead of upgraded shootas
Orks ain’t known for their marksmanship.
0:02 Good ol’ Tigzagas
Orks doing something cool
Sicarius mentioned
Oh
Can’t the orcs just “believe” that they remember how to make those super charge shootas.
*No.*
Am... am I in the throws of an emerging love of 40k?
I don't know why but I found the words "ork submarine" absolutely hilarious. The concept of an ork submarine in wh40k is hilarious
Remember that ork weapons and vehicles only work because orks think that they should work. This means that that these supercharged weapons were not actually better designed, but rather, the orks just believed that they were supercharged.
Good chance that one shot gun was probably look like welded junk that look like a weapon.
Cato is def my favorite blueberry
Supacharged shootas capable of one-shotting Space Marines would attrition their forces to unacceptable levels. Abandoning defense of the Hive cities in pursuit of hunting down the main encampment of these xenos before the Supacharged Shootas could kill too many Space Marines was a bold and daring plan, and thats why it would work, and thats why they were Ultramarines. The best of the best, First of the Emperors Men 👍😁
Technally the orks have not lost the tech since the way they reproduce and pass knowledge down.
Wear purple and use hypnosis to make them forgor the dakka
No wonder people hate Cato Sicarius, he's like a watered down version of Ragnar Blackmane
Orks have submarine tech? By the Emperor...
To be fair, the "technology" behind superchatged shootas might just be Orks not realizing thay Space Marines are meant to be tougher than the average Humie.
bro said
If GW isn't gonna nerd the orks,I will
Orks invented a melta basically
the most surprising piece about this short is "Ork Submarine." What? Does it have a screen door too?
actually it was well worth it because if those weapons spread to the rest of the orks it would be a bloodbath for space marines who are humanities last line of defense.
Im sorry, but you can give orks all the super powered ammo you can imagine, they still only hit on 5+
CORRECTION, It will remain lost until Games Workshop decides it’s needed again lol Maybe even Ghaz Ghoul (probably spelt his name wrong) will be using them against Khorne Berserkers! And other chaos space marines
Definitely worth it. They stopped the Orks from recreating such blasphemous war tech and striking down more of their brothers.
FOR THE EMPEROR!
Thats what you get for refusing to protect the innocent
Man, can't have the company favored faction be challenged in a *truly* meaningful way that *isn't* chaos eh.
That goes for any faction in 40k though…. Side effects of needing each faction to stay around to sell models🤯
So they send Mary Sue wearing literal Plot Armour?
“Caught the orks in disarray”
As opposed to?
Ork.. submarine??
Ya seez, a spaceship keeps da air in and da space out, so da boyz jus made a ship dat keeps da air in and da water out!
The gym has fallen. Billions must be DYEL’s
Goodly explained
Hay I've got that book and read it a few months ago
I dunno, 13 marines lost in an attack in order to nip potential mass production of these thing in the bid seems worth it.
High cost, yes. But if he werent eliminated and these things became common among the orks, how many hundreds of marines would be lost then? And stopping them would be an even harder taks if more rhan one knew how to make them.
Thought it said Shotas which spacemarines pretty much are
Of course it's Cato.
Obviously the orks lost. It was ultramarines. Was hoping for a story in which the ultramarines would finally not win, but then I remembered that they were ultramarines.
Don't Orks literally get their tach knowledge from their own DNA? They literally can't "lose" knowledge.
Ork weapons not being able to hurt space marines sounds like imperial propaganda. The smurfs just got complacent and it cost them. To claim the orks had super special rare guns is just poor writing.
Oh shit.
Barely worth it. That's heresy. They destroyed a vile xeno threat to the emperors angels. An entire chapter of losses would have been still worth it. You must destroy any xeno with the ability to 1 shot a space marine
I Cato Sicarius, love this meme.
Guns able to shoot right through astartes power armour aren't rare, have you ever heard of artillery?
Ego chipped.
So they made a shoota that’s -4 AP, 2 Damage?
Barely worth it? How so? That is a very small price to pay.
but what happened to planets hive cities?
what song is used?
Sorry man een vraagje waar haal je jouw warhammer
Ork submarine. What a load of shite!
You must be new here! We used to have rules for em in Apocalypse on the old GW website :D
How do you "supercharge" a projectile weapon?
Theyre orks, dont ask for logic
@@Dutch40KGuy You never know. I suppose it could be an Ork railgun.