More and more people in India are ready to accept non technical,non professional views of journalists and politicians but nobody is ready to listen to experts like Abhijeet sir and Air Marshal Sinha.Its like I have got preconceived notion and I will do whatever it takes to reinforce my this conclusion.
Well a duffer who has not completed college and wants to become a PM will not understand all this tech, legal, mission critical details. Has he ever worked in his life? I am talking of RAGA.
Now.. this should be the last discussion on rafale issue... Now Pappu must see this and do not question our respected PM again. All the things are clear now. No any idiot should try to make political advantage of it. Otherwise people will teach them good lesson in elections.
pappu is a useless and unqualified to talk about these technical matters. His grouse is he and his mother could not make money in this deal. Before marriage What was the worth of Sonia and now she is one of the richest person in the world. Every one knows India is a wealthy country and it was looted by foreigners for the past many years and it is being continued through this family.now. Why people support them when they are looting four fortunes and want to get out one fine morning as royal exit.
This is the problem when you bring in IAS officers into defence procurement processes. Getting jets for the IAF is not like shopping for office chairs and tables that you need to have a multivendor competition.
Big questions 1. When SC rejected sitting no evidence presented by Rahul &co 2. Rahul &co said in parliament that has no evidence. 3. Defence minister given details on Rafale deal in Rajshaba ... Rahul &co were silent. * Still why they're keeping making noise. --- reportedly there is lot of pressure on Congress from USA's Lockheed Martin and Boeing after NDA signed deal with Dassault aviation. So keep making noises though no evidence * Why particularly Anil Ambani targeted, when TCS Tech Mahindra CTS L&T etc also got contract. --- Ambani name well familiar in India and particularly Anil Ambani is in big trouble about running his cos after family split... So weaker target and wider reach.
Congress is in US pressure....what rubbish is this....I think you get all this information through Whatsapp University....it was a UPA who contract a deal....and they are in collusion with US....kuch bhi ...
And with The Hindu's so called reporting on Scam by cropping reports,I totally lost respect for it. As an UPSC aspirant I felt cheated the way N Ram is using The Hindu to make propaganda. The job of newspapers should be giving facts and it should be left to readers to form opinions but newspapers are making opinion of themselves. The left wing bias of Hindu and anti Govt stand on every issue forced me to go for Indian Express
Bro watch the interview of N Ram after he published the report. If you have the report on The Hindu that day, the report was on the parallel negotiations done by PMO, even after the deal was negotiated by INT. He clearly mentions that the story was not about Mr Parikkar, it was about the prallel negotiations being run by PMO, of which Mr Parikkar had no knowledge. The later report filed by ANI in which they showed the whole document with the cropped part, Mr Prikkar clearly uses the words " it appears " , means he didnt knew about the prallel negotiations. So N Ram's report only get validated by that point.
@@saurabhkumarsingh3986 Dear So PMO can't have a word on defence deal of such magnitude when Bofors and Augusta Westland were meddled by Middle men. The dissent was not on price but on sovereign guarantee which Mr Parrikar had noted in the report but it was cropped
@@anakarnayak9246 there is no mention of the price. The issue is you kuct cant have a backdoor negotiations when your designated team is negotiating , it undermines their credibility and negitiating power. Just think, if the INT was trying to insert some clause inthe deal, and being presistent on it, and dassault doesn't want to grant it, they would say we will discull this with the PMO. That totally changes the negotiating power of the designated INT. So no, PMO cant interfere.
@@saurabhkumarsingh3986 Bro according to SBP Sinha it was an internal deliberations in the MoD and deputy Secretary who initiated the so called leaked note was never part of the process.
The Hindu news paper is biased one. Its editor Noor Ramdin who is supporter of DMK nd Congress want to prove his loyalty to them. I also use to read The Hindu in the intial days but now not.
This dolt N. Ram is a bad business man, as bad a journalist that he is. I say this because the largest section of Indians who read his yellow newspaper called The Hindu, is UPSC aspirants - who expect this toilet paper to report news with journalistic integrity. If he makes the paper a mouthpiece of demented people who don't know how negotiations work, and make it a Communist manifesto, the same UPSC crowd will look for better news papers. He will lose his readership, if not the little credibility that he enjoys.
This discussion gave me some what clarity on this issue but I still have one one doubt , Does anyone know why the number of aircrafts were reduced to 36.
The maintenance cost of these is too much - so maintaining 126 raffle would have taken a big chunk of our defence budget. Also the present BJP Government wants to try to manufacture local Indian fighter aircraft instead of importing aircrafts. As part of that strategy they bought a bare minimum number of aircraft and as you may have seen recently gave orders to procure 83 Tejas aircrafts as well. Initially the quality of a fighter aircraft will not be that great but slowly and with innovation It will keep getting better. Better late than never
Compelling points put forth in the discussion (not debate). But what’s in bad taste is the fact that the Show’s title is pro-government. Let’s revert to #Neutrality please.
The Big Picture, please avoid politically sensitive issue in this platform. If need be, please take care in selecting the panel with opposite opinions.
@N D In that logic Our discussion here on this topic itself is misplaced 😂 As it needed to be discussed on LS RS or CCS ( Think our self a PSU with some experience of decades vis a vis a private company which was founded weeks ago, former is less efficient What makes latter better than former for me it defies common sense )
This is mere free publication of govt propoganda.....if all is ok then why govt do not want to go for JPC..... France's media part published many reports about Raffale....
@@abhinavnagar007 i don't know abt that upsc wala part. The title of the show itself is saying one sided. Once in while i watch this chnl but nvr noticed title lik this. Anyway its fine.
The panel on the interview is totally one sided. You have one member of the INT here... but there is a clear dissent note published by 3 members of the same INT. Put forward their views also. The government is trying to clear its image by RSTV. One more point I would like to say, if you read September 2018's Yojana , which was on Employment and Self Employment, all of the articles mentions that we would get a clear image after the NSSO data would come in. There is no dearth of jobs now. But as we have seen in the past two weeks, the same Government refused to release the NSSO data, due to which members of the Statistical services resigned. So guys, take the informations provided by conventional sources of RSTV and Yojana as a pinch of salt. Think like an officer. First step to solve any problem is recognizing that there is one.
The dissent note was published by a bureaucrat who was not involved in the deal in any fashion. I don't know who the Hindu are talking to, but one of the same three people came on another channel and defended the deal
Dissent was not by any INT member and the MoD addressed in the same note which was cropped up by The Hindu. This is a Govt. to Govt. deal and Dassault is free to chose its offset partner. Supreme Court and CAG have already verified the details there is no scam unless you want to keep your eyes closed and imagine it.
The man whose signatures are at the 'dissent note', Mr Mohan Kumar, had written an article in January, 2019, after retirement. Please read: www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2019/feb/09/no-scam-in-rafale-deal-former-defence-secretary-mohan-kumar-1936512.amp His signatures were purposely cut from the first document The Hindu had produced to build a narrative. Oh, the truth!
Today all those who bashed THE Hindu report on rafale deal should hang themselves in shame, Especially after listening to this one sided biased and sold out panel
Most of the people watching this video are going to be UPSC aspirants. Guys remember one thing, just because something is required by Air Force, doesn't means there cant be any scam in it. We won Kargil war because of the Bofors Guns, and see what a big scam they turned out to be. And remember the dissent note published yesterday on The Hindu by 3 members of INT, all of them High Ranking Officers , the positions which you are preparing for ... Think the issue like an IAS, not as a politician. It maybe you in your career 20 years from now who have to take a similar stand like them. Remember, politicians are only Temporary executives, what you are aspiring to become is a permanent one.
150 Rafael in Congress time, only 36 in BJP and MMRCA 2.0 114 more jets but BJP then scrapped MMRCA 2. 0, why? I am a BJP supporter because of some religious beliefs but why 36 fighter instead of 150, answer?
Mr.. Host ... . Can you please stop sustaining the word aaaah at every sentence you say... It would be better if you stop this habit.... sorry for the remarks sir...
Haha .. how mischievously rstv avoided question of parallel negotiations by PMO and waiving off of anti-corruption clauses.... Great propaganda coming from a reputed program like big picture
No. The title rather asks,"where is the scam?". This is exactly what they are discussing or trying to find. If you say there is a scam, the burden of proof is in you.
This discussion gave me some what clarity on this issue but I still have one one doubt , Does anyone know why the number of aircrafts were reduced to 36.
@@rakshithgowda988 okay that makes sense, in current situation of airforce less aircrafts faster is more important than large number of aircrafts in slower rate.
Due to high ratio of mig crash there was lack of squadron which declined from 42 to 23 so air force put the request that there is urgent need of 36 rafael which stated iaf chief and if rafael would have assembled by HAL like tejas it would again taken 15 yrs of time span to assembl it which would caused a serious threat to india's security.
More and more people in India are ready to accept non technical,non professional views of journalists and politicians but nobody is ready to listen to experts like Abhijeet sir and Air Marshal Sinha.Its like I have got preconceived notion and I will do whatever it takes to reinforce my this conclusion.
Con is the opposite of pro,congress is the opposite of progress.
Ha ha ha loved this!!!
😂😂😂
Well a duffer who has not completed college and wants to become a PM will not understand all this tech, legal, mission critical details. Has he ever worked in his life? I am talking of RAGA.
@Rahul lol yeah, Bacha bacha jaanta hai 😂
Now.. this should be the last discussion on rafale issue... Now Pappu must see this and do not question our respected PM again. All the things are clear now. No any idiot should try to make political advantage of it. Otherwise people will teach them good lesson in elections.
pappu is a useless and unqualified to talk about these technical matters. His grouse is he and his mother could not make money in this deal. Before marriage What was the worth of Sonia and now she is one of the richest person in the world. Every one knows India is a wealthy country and it was looted by foreigners for the past many years and it is being continued through this family.now. Why people support them when they are looting four fortunes and want to get out one fine morning as royal exit.
This is the problem when you bring in IAS officers into defence procurement processes. Getting jets for the IAF is not like shopping for office chairs and tables that you need to have a multivendor competition.
Big questions
1. When SC rejected sitting no evidence presented by Rahul &co
2. Rahul &co said in parliament that has no evidence.
3. Defence minister given details on Rafale deal in Rajshaba ... Rahul &co were silent.
* Still why they're keeping making noise.
--- reportedly there is lot of pressure on Congress from USA's Lockheed Martin and Boeing after NDA signed deal with Dassault aviation. So keep making noises though no evidence
* Why particularly Anil Ambani targeted, when TCS Tech Mahindra CTS L&T etc also got contract.
--- Ambani name well familiar in India and particularly Anil Ambani is in big trouble about running his cos after family split... So weaker target and wider reach.
Congress is in US pressure....what rubbish is this....I think you get all this information through Whatsapp University....it was a UPA who contract a deal....and they are in collusion with US....kuch bhi ...
And with The Hindu's so called reporting on Scam by cropping reports,I totally lost respect for it. As an UPSC aspirant I felt cheated the way N Ram is using The Hindu to make propaganda. The job of newspapers should be giving facts and it should be left to readers to form opinions but newspapers are making opinion of themselves.
The left wing bias of Hindu and anti Govt stand on every issue forced me to go for Indian Express
Bro watch the interview of N Ram after he published the report. If you have the report on The Hindu that day, the report was on the parallel negotiations done by PMO, even after the deal was negotiated by INT. He clearly mentions that the story was not about Mr Parikkar, it was about the prallel negotiations being run by PMO, of which Mr Parikkar had no knowledge. The later report filed by ANI in which they showed the whole document with the cropped part, Mr Prikkar clearly uses the words " it appears " , means he didnt knew about the prallel negotiations. So N Ram's report only get validated by that point.
N ram has suddenly became defense expert 😂😂😂...I don't understand the huge capacity that indian prestitutes has 😎😎
@@saurabhkumarsingh3986 Dear So PMO can't have a word on defence deal of such magnitude when Bofors and Augusta Westland were meddled by Middle men.
The dissent was not on price but on sovereign guarantee which Mr Parrikar had noted in the report but it was cropped
@@anakarnayak9246 there is no mention of the price. The issue is you kuct cant have a backdoor negotiations when your designated team is negotiating , it undermines their credibility and negitiating power. Just think, if the INT was trying to insert some clause inthe deal, and being presistent on it, and dassault doesn't want to grant it, they would say we will discull this with the PMO. That totally changes the negotiating power of the designated INT. So no, PMO cant interfere.
@@saurabhkumarsingh3986 Bro according to SBP Sinha it was an internal deliberations in the MoD and deputy Secretary who initiated the so called leaked note was never part of the process.
Wow!!! Beautiful explanation by Air Marshal SBP Sinha. Makes it so clear.
N Ram is blot on profession of Journalism
Thanks for inviting experts only for the debate and not the biased journalists like Shekhar Aiyyar...
Welcome back Abhijit!!
We are sorry for everything you went through....
What happened to him? I know I'm late but if you still see this
@@adeshfafriya3884 he was jailed in Odisha under political vendetta for sarcastic comments.
The Hindu news paper is biased one. Its editor Noor Ramdin who is supporter of DMK nd Congress want to prove his loyalty to them. I also use to read The Hindu in the intial days but now not.
Rahman Nawab..are you born idiot..
@@te098jgjgbjjkjkhk your mom idiot
abhijit iyer mitra respect!
Never thought I would see Abhijit Iyer mitra on Government channel
This dolt N. Ram is a bad business man, as bad a journalist that he is. I say this because the largest section of Indians who read his yellow newspaper called The Hindu, is UPSC aspirants - who expect this toilet paper to report news with journalistic integrity. If he makes the paper a mouthpiece of demented people who don't know how negotiations work, and make it a Communist manifesto, the same UPSC crowd will look for better news papers. He will lose his readership, if not the little credibility that he enjoys.
Excellent presentation Nathan Sekhar Sydney, Australia.
This discussion gave me some what clarity on this issue but I still have one one doubt , Does anyone know why the number of aircrafts were reduced to 36.
The maintenance cost of these is too much - so maintaining 126 raffle would have taken a big chunk of our defence budget.
Also the present BJP Government wants to try to manufacture local Indian fighter aircraft instead of importing aircrafts. As part of that strategy they bought a bare minimum number of aircraft and as you may have seen recently gave orders to procure 83 Tejas aircrafts as well. Initially the quality of a fighter aircraft will not be that great but slowly and with innovation It will keep getting better. Better late than never
Compelling points put forth in the discussion (not debate).
But what’s in bad taste is the fact that the Show’s title is pro-government.
Let’s revert to #Neutrality please.
Yes
I also felt so
We need N Ram in this discussion
No. The title rather asks,"where is the scam?". This is what they are discussing.
The Big Picture, please avoid politically sensitive issue in this platform. If need be, please take care in selecting the panel with opposite opinions.
Very informative
thanks to all of you sir...
TAR shouldn't be used by Indian Officials .Tibet is more than TAR for India.
Truly cleared and opened minded discussion. Well, there is no scam.
This is thorough.
Well we have an L1 opposition :D
Dear sir with due respect I have question. Why we don't simply have clause for safety for landing second 10 hour oxygen by any process from the two.
Kya bol rahe hain sab .. so much technicality !
This Iyer Mitra looks like Mugambo..
He has a razor sharp brain.
Bring the other side too...its not fair.
Why is tender gone to Reliance??
because HAL is incompetent and tries to bite more than it can chew
Also if in future something go wrong with reliancethen dassault is responsible for this as it's their choice
Why anybody is not talking about the committee that was set up by the UPA to study the capacity of HAL to make Rafael.
@@pushpendratiwari7
How reliance firm which has formed just one month ago is superior vis a vis HAL
@N D
In that logic
Our discussion here on this topic itself is misplaced 😂
As it needed to be discussed on LS RS or CCS
( Think our self a PSU with some experience of decades vis a vis a private company which was founded weeks ago, former is less efficient
What makes latter better than former for me it defies common sense )
Thanku
This is mere free publication of govt propoganda.....if all is ok then why govt do not want to go for JPC..... France's media part published many reports about Raffale....
what now,, after some of the docs hv been revealed...
Hmm. Finally political issues in big picture. Election pressure on chnl.
Rstv is news channel not some upsc news portal. It will discuss all national issues.
@@abhinavnagar007 i don't know abt that upsc wala part. The title of the show itself is saying one sided. Once in while i watch this chnl but nvr noticed title lik this. Anyway its fine.
The panel on the interview is totally one sided. You have one member of the INT here... but there is a clear dissent note published by 3 members of the same INT. Put forward their views also. The government is trying to clear its image by RSTV. One more point I would like to say, if you read September 2018's Yojana , which was on Employment and Self Employment, all of the articles mentions that we would get a clear image after the NSSO data would come in. There is no dearth of jobs now. But as we have seen in the past two weeks, the same Government refused to release the NSSO data, due to which members of the Statistical services resigned. So guys, take the informations provided by conventional sources of RSTV and Yojana as a pinch of salt. Think like an officer. First step to solve any problem is recognizing that there is one.
The dissent note was published by a bureaucrat who was not involved in the deal in any fashion. I don't know who the Hindu are talking to, but one of the same three people came on another channel and defended the deal
Mandir wahi banega..
Dissent was not by any INT member and the MoD addressed in the same note which was cropped up by The Hindu. This is a Govt. to Govt. deal and Dassault is free to chose its offset partner. Supreme Court and CAG have already verified the details there is no scam unless you want to keep your eyes closed and imagine it.
The man whose signatures are at the 'dissent note', Mr Mohan Kumar, had written an article in January, 2019, after retirement. Please read:
www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2019/feb/09/no-scam-in-rafale-deal-former-defence-secretary-mohan-kumar-1936512.amp
His signatures were purposely cut from the first document The Hindu had produced to build a narrative.
Oh, the truth!
Today all those who bashed THE Hindu report on rafale deal should hang themselves in shame, Especially after listening to this one sided biased and sold out panel
Most of the people watching this video are going to be UPSC aspirants. Guys remember one thing, just because something is required by Air Force, doesn't means there cant be any scam in it. We won Kargil war because of the Bofors Guns, and see what a big scam they turned out to be. And remember the dissent note published yesterday on The Hindu by 3 members of INT, all of them High Ranking Officers , the positions which you are preparing for ... Think the issue like an IAS, not as a politician. It maybe you in your career 20 years from now who have to take a similar stand like them. Remember, politicians are only Temporary executives, what you are aspiring to become is a permanent one.
ओके. Mr Cabinet Secretary.
Yaa... Change should start from u then... Stop commenting like a politician...grow up...know the issue and analyse like a gem bro
Aaj toh kutch samjh nhi aaya
Were we supporting an incompetent body like HAL to make aircrafts this long. Why was Hal suggested in the firstplace to produce the aircrafts.
please add subtitle
subtitles please
Why reliance industry only?
About more than 70, it includes HAL too.
You expect truth on this Government channel? And speakers to tell the truth?
Answer to all questions
Indeginous is the only way forward
150 Rafael in Congress time, only 36 in BJP and MMRCA 2.0 114 more jets but BJP then scrapped MMRCA 2. 0, why? I am a BJP supporter because of some religious beliefs but why 36 fighter instead of 150, answer?
PAISA NAHI HAI 150 PLANES KE LIYE.
Middle one guest is reading from prompter..😅😅😅
Bhut Acha
|| shri swami samarth ||
IMP
Mr.. Host ...
. Can you please stop sustaining the word aaaah at every sentence you say... It would be better if you stop this habit.... sorry for the remarks sir...
You can tweet him. His name is Vishal Dahiya.
Why do you have problem for JPC probe?biased discussion because of one sided.
Supreme Court se bada toh JPC hota hain na. What a logic!
Namaste
Haha .. how mischievously rstv avoided question of parallel negotiations by PMO and waiving off of anti-corruption clauses.... Great propaganda coming from a reputed program like big picture
disappointed by the choice of the topic
As pointed out by other commentator, rstv is not a upsc news portal. It brings all issues of "national importance"
No. The title rather asks,"where is the scam?". This is exactly what they are discussing or trying to find. If you say there is a scam, the burden of proof is in you.
None of them sound convincing
This Abhishek is the same person who was in jail for comments on Konark temple?
Ya
ye bik gyi hai CAG
This discussion gave me some what clarity on this issue but I still have one one doubt , Does anyone know why the number of aircrafts were reduced to 36.
This was considered as an emergency procurement. RFP( Request for proposal ) is given for the procurement of the remaining requirements
@@rakshithgowda988 okay that makes sense, in current situation of airforce less aircrafts faster is more important than large number of aircrafts in slower rate.
Due to high ratio of mig crash there was lack of squadron which declined from 42 to 23 so air force put the request that there is urgent need of 36 rafael which stated iaf chief and if rafael would have assembled by HAL like tejas it would again taken 15 yrs of time span to assembl it which would caused a serious threat to india's security.
Paise tera baap dega kya?