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You might say you wouldn't remember 20 years later, but he was repeatedly asked about it as a young boy and showed pictures, and asked questions close to the time. These prods are likely to have lingered in his long term memory, aren't they?
Right, it wasn't a bowl of pineapple (with milk) on any ordinary day, it was the eve of his sister's murder so I do believe that would be something that's in the forefront of ones memory..... life changing and traumatic.
@TCRS IMHO, there is a vast difference between remembering and not wanting to remember. Perhaps he was told not to remember when asked? He was a squirrelly one when asked questions coming from the detective. Do you know if the detective was qualified to work with children? If Burke is on the spectrum, it could have made a difference in his answers. Nick, it is almost 1:AM in the states. Your brilliant presentations always bamboozle my mind. Thanks for another impeccable video and thank you for all your hard work.👏🥛🥣👍
@@lired70 I'm pretty sure Burke is on the spectrum, the way he climbs all over the chair says that much. This was the mid 90's and there was very little awareness of ADHD/Autism back then. And what little awareness that did exist came with alot of denial among parents who didn't want to believe their child had psychological or behavioral issues. Mostly due to the stigmas that existed at that time. Ramsey parents were baby boomers who were very invested in "keeping up appearances" as they seem exactly like the type of parents who would deny such things. Their desire to appear normal would likely have taken precedence over Burke's mental health needs.
Burke squirms , tucks himself in, and was very hesitant at the sight of that pineapple in the picture presented to him by the therapist. He identified the glass with the tea bag but went around the pineapple. Something about that pineapple made him uncomfortable.
The only thing with the pic he was shown is its a photostat copy of a photo and in black and white..be interesting to see how it looks in black and white.
The substance in the bowl was likely not recognizable due to it being a low quality black and white photocopy of the picture and the fact that it was pineapple and cream.
It was ludicrous for John to say he didn't recognize the bowl or spoon, thereby insinuating that the supposed intruder brought it. I wonder if any of the Ramseys have any clue just how ridiculous some of their statements sounded?
Yes, its a sign of wanting to distance them all from the bowl of pineapple. I think Patsy inadvertently identifies Burke or even JonBenet as the person who chose the massive spoon, I believe her when she says she wouldn't have setup things that way.
@@maryowens8763 That's what I think, as well... I also believe that maybe the police higher-ups and DA's office may have helped them because of their high status in the community. That's harsh, I know, but it's what I think may have happened.
@@USArmy91222 It was burke ffs. A child can be openly neglected for only so long. It also explains the phony ransom note when the body never left the house. patsy wrote the note to save the only remaining child
So let’s replay this Nick. The intruder breaks into the already broken window from months ago without disturbing the cobwebs around it and didn’t leave fingerprints or footprints outside or inside, the house is dark so he used a flashlight to go upstairs and lure Jon Benet downstairs to eat a bowl of pineapple, in the meantime he writes a three page verbose ransom note saying you do this she dies, you do that she dies, you talk to a stray dog she dies ( and other quotes from a book on the shelf of the Ramsey home ) written on the Ramsey notepad with the Ramsey pen, then brings her to the basement, kills her, leaves her there but makes sure to lock the door behind him , forgets his flashlight standing upright on the table ( no one knows who’s flashlight it is because there are no fingerprints on it) apparently he wore gloves the whole time and booties too because while going back out the window he came in from, and again didn’t disturb the cobweb, he hoisted himself up onto a suitcase perpendicular to the wall rather than parallel that he placed there but had no fingerprints on, left and ran way without any footprints in the frosty grounds. All claiming to want $118,000, not $1 million, … $118,000 for doing all that. He had a generous heart, didn’t ask for much money, and even advised them to be well rested…. Got it.
I think he simply didn't recognize what was in the bowl because the photocopied picture was poor quality and there was both pineapple and cream in the bowl. You could see it was a bowl, but the resolution on what was in it was poor.
@@bills6093 Oh I believe he recognized it since this was a favorite snack of theirs..... unless of course he confused it with a bowl of yellow packing peanuts with milk.
@bills6093 it's the part where the investigator is asking Burke about the types of snacks his mom feeds them. He never does bring up pineapple. Patsy said at one time pineapple was their favorite fruit.
@@dianerandazzo1766 Arguing all the way down to the basement, and in the train room Burke stabbed JB with the toy railroad track, not killing her. Patsy and John, knowing a trip to the ER would land them in jail for physical and sexual abuse, finished what Burke started by murdering JB. The BPD, out of ignorance didn't didn't even search for the toy track, and had they did they would have found it and the flashlight on Burke's person the next morning as he was being ushered out of the house. Burke was told to dispose of the track and flashlight probably in the form of a threat of going to jail, though that wasn't the case. Patsy grabbed that "second" flashlight on her way to the basement after hearing all the commotion because the stairs to the basement were dark; Burke was sent to his room and an argument between John and Patsy festered, with Patsy swinging the flashlight at John, missing and hitting JB instead. Then the cover up began..
I said hte same exact thing Fingerpints on dinnerware, silverware and glassware and pots means nothing if one is the wife, mother,....that does NOT mena she killed her daughter.I mean those investigators were ridiculous and franklyI woudl have gotten annoyed at them too and their stupid questions and dirty looks. I dont' see her as killing Jonbenet- her little self, her pride and joy, her future life, NO! NO way..
The dad is VERY sketchy, Patsy seems like she's too passive and will do anything to save her family. The son is definitely whacky and seems like he's out if touch with reality. As most wealthy people are. They definitely covered it up. That's why the killer hasn't been caught yet
@@carolyncurry9615 Thank you. Nobody mentions that. Also, my logical suggestion that everyone LISTEN to the distinguished Dr. CYRIL WECHT's explanation from autopsy findings which is the most probable is never brought up w either. NO ONE brings up THAT reasonr that Dr. Wecht has figured out egarding what was done to her- it is right under all of our eyes and makes the most sense.. WHY not? WHY isn't t Dr. Wecht's theory discussed? - because then there is NO mystery, that is WHY> reminds me of DP- I keep suggesting to look at LOW IRON AEMIA regarding missing people and my logical suggestion is NEVER acknowledged or discussed as a viable theory aside from wild animal predation. Before the age of making money from amatuer videos, iti s most probable that these theories would have been discussed.
@@larrywakeman4371I haven’t read your theory about the correlation of low iron/ferretin levels and missing people? I’m anaemic and I can’t see the correlation I’m afraid.
Of all the adults in the house, John is the least likely to know about bowls in the house. Not just an average house, but one with a maid and housewife who are far more likely to deal with bowls than the businessman that spends more time outside the house than in it.
@@mochimagic1318 John saw the bowl on his way down to the basement where JD was screaming after Burke had just stabbed her with the toy railroad track..
I hear you Master Windu. Another factor in his “bowl blindness” is his age/generation. I really love a -clean- organized kitchen, but my dad is oblivious to it. Not in a “misogynistic/gender-role/kitchen is women’s work” way, he just doesn’t see it. I once left a cup of koolaid on the table to see how long it took him to realize. He didn’t. If someone had asked John for a bowl of cereal hit would have taken 3 attempts at opening cabinets before he found the bowl and spoon
@@allan9603so the Ramsey’s covered this up to protect Burke but allowed him to speak to police alone, at 9 years old? That makes zero sense and you have zero proof.
I would think that these bowls were bought new from a store or delivered from somewhere. These people didn't shop at yard sales or take dishes from other people. That means there are 11 more bowls that are identical to this one in the cabinets bare minimum. And plates would be there to match the bowls and cups with the same pattern. These people don't have mismatched dishes. I feel John would know that many dishes he eats from look exactly like the pineapple bowl. He could be as dish blind as he likes and still know that he eats from solid white bowls.
But it wasn’t the original story. On the morning of the 26th, before the body was found, John told two separate police personnel that he read to JonBenet and Burke in the solarium room before bed that night. Burke also at one point said JonBenet was awake when they got home and walked up the stairs herself. It was only after they lawyered up that the stories started to change. One of those changes was that she was “zonked”. The last stop to drop presents off was at the Stines. Susan Stine said she saw the family “intact” and all bubbly about the upcoming trips. The Stine’s house was less than a two minute drive to the Ramseys house.
@@Giorgiafan78I just saw a video. Smitty says there was definitely pineapple in JonBenet GI tract. John Ramsey says are you sure? Lou Smitt says yes.. definitely. So there's that.
No pillow on her bed and there is a picture of a pillow in the kitchen on the bench and chair. I do feel she came downstairs with her pillow after being put to bed and something happened to her from that point.
The pillow situation never garnered that much attention and I wonder why. I can't find any plausible info talking about theories on why it's in the kitchen. Seems peculiar to me
@@BamaFanUSMCI know when my daughter was that age if I wanted to move her while sleeping I would cradle her with my arm under the pillow supporting her head , so it could possibly be someone moving her to the kitchen taking care she doesn’t wake ?
Have you listened to True Crime Garage? They had a detective discuss the case and he has some witnesses, who link the police and the Ramsey’s church, to a p- file ring and a cover up.
A nine year is going to break a brush ...it's going to build up a garrote..She died from the garrote being used from behind until sofocation happened.. A nine year old that slim its going to carry the body downstairs act???
@@rostycosy I. Hear ya and sort of agree. But, on the other hand, who’s left in the house that would do such a thing to her? Do you think one of the other siblings arrived and perhaps are involved?
There is something else important regarding the pineapple. Whoever was eating it, was interrupted. The bowl is full, so it makes no sense that one of the children had the pineapple cut and prepared with milk, only to take a couple of bites.
Well, it's a serving spoon, suggesting that it was being dished out from the bowl. At any rate, the coroner did not actually identify pineapple in the autopsy, so the pineapple angle is odd. There's basically nothing I know of to show that she ate any pineapple, except claims in books.
@@bills6093 YES WHY? WHy is this pineapple nonsense being hashed out over and over?! I mena, I can guess why, if you get my drift....I have said that: It was stated in some video on YT here by another username that at one of the house parties they went to that night there WAS fruit salad with pineapple. There was another video by another susname person that said the forensic examiner said the substance in her somtach was 'pineapple-like' in consistency. and that was all they could say abou it. I never heard it was fresh pineapple and not from a can, anywhere.
@@marygoff3332 YES WHY? WHy is this pineapple nonsense being hashed out over and over?! I mena, I can guess why, if you get my drift....I have said that: It was stated in some video on YT here by another username that at one of the house parties they went to that night there WAS fruit salad with pineapple. There was another video by another susname person that said the forensic examiner said the substance in her somtach was 'pineapple-like' in consistency. and that was all they could say abou it. I never heard it was fresh pineapple and not from a can, anywhere.
You would remember if you ate pineapple the eve of your sister's death creepy. Also we're not stupid, there's no way an intruder brought a bowl with them to put pineapple in that the intruder hoped would be in the kitchen, knowing she lived it....come on now. An intruder didn't take the time to leave a long lame three page ransom letter either when they knew the little one was dead. The only thing that makes sense is that Patsy or Burke had gotten up and gave her the pineapple, if that was indeed the fruit that was in her digestive system. There was NO INTRUDER and we know this, it doesn't make sense.
What if she got up for Santa’s post Christmas visit bringing her pillow with her, and there was pineapple already on the table? Maybe it was there since the morning and they didn’t put it away (not exactly a stretch if you’ve seen the cluttered house). Maybe she took a few bites while waiting. Did you see how tight that string was around her neck? This was no accident.
@@cici2562 Well I agree they weren't very tidy, but I don't think the bowl of pineapple would be there for hours on the table waiting for her from "Santa" especially with milk on it, the whole thing would go sour. Of course we know it wasn't an "accident" so your comment confuses me unless I've misunderstood your meaning. We know it was murder.... that's why the garrote (rope) was so tight around her neck, it was meant to strangle her.
@@michelleadams474 a lot of people theorize that JonBenet Ramsey’s death was an accident, either caused by Burke or her mother. I haven’t seen even half of this poster’s videos to know which angle he’s coming from (aside from inside job), so I don’t know if he’s thinking accidental or intentional. But it seems much less likely that a family member would intentionally do such a thing.
Before they called Law Enforcement, the Ramsey's may have felt they had every aspect of their plot covered: the Ransom note, the staged murder scene in the basement and the story they drummed into Burke's head. But note how one -- just one -- foul up in their elaborate scheme, the pineapple in JonBenet's stomach, becomes a key element in the investigation. Neither John or Patsy Ramsey or Burke had considered a forensic team would examine the contents of JonBenet's stomach, which revealed one damning fact -- the presence of fresh cut pineapple -- the last thing JonBenet ate before she died. No matter what Patsy or John or Burke may say, the pineapple tells the truth. Patsy and JonBenet are gone, but John and Burke both know. John still thinks he has it all covered. Burke looks like he's insane for having killed someone.
So you would have prosecuted a 9 year old kid because of pineapple? There’s no evidence saying Burke did it and you shouldn’t call someone a murderer based on looks.
1:07 -" _Would you remember eating pineapple 20 years ago._ " Yes, Burke, because it'd coincides with a major event!! 😠 I remember what drink I was given when I heard the news about a relative passing. It sticks!
It depends. Not everyone remembers the same way other people do, and many people actually misremembered things. Me? I remember a number of traumatic events in my life, but I don't remember any of details. Prob because the details weren't important to me at the time. Of course, I remember minutia surrounding some rather mundane, non-event. Go figure.
I would remember any given food item even better if it ALLEGEDLY were the CAUSE for the following major event! Seeing an adult Burke in the interview I see a psychopath basking in duper's delight and the warm feeling that he got away with - weeeell, something... My opinion.
But do you remember what drink you had the day before, which would be the context of the video? No it doesn't stick for everyone. I have no specific food or drink memories associated with any event like that, except for fried chicken and green beans after a great uncle's funeral, and that I was eating some sort of nonspecific candy I had been given DURING the moment I was told my grandad had passed.
JonBenet sleeping through the car driving until they tucked her in bad is the key to solve the murder.. they are lying… cuz to say “ she was asleep and this is it we didn’t see her anymore “ is the easy way to escape from questioning
I can fully fathom why Patsy's fingerprints are on the bowl. She could have been the person who put it away, after it was cleaned from previous use. It's Burke's fingerprints being on it that are more interesting to me. Also Burke's reaction to the photo, in the police interview.
The spoon is pure silver, not just silverware. The pattern is Rosepoint. The spoon shouldn't have been left in an acidic substance as it would cause pitting in the silver. Did the Ramsey's eat using their silver place settings normally or were they using it just for Christmas. Where was the rest of the silver place settings and auxiliary pieces?
I think it was Burke. Patsy trying to distance herself from the pineapple as well as everyone else is pretty telling. The pineapple in the stomach and the carelessly left bowl of it. Super sus. Plus Burke hit her on the head with a club,weeks before
I think she was already injured the day before they went to bed , and that’s why they never went to bed . The whole family planned the story & why no one would talk about the older 2 children they trying to keep away from the scene. If we all know they are lying then how about add the other two children to the scene, that soposly showed up in town after the murder they were under 21 too. Old enough to set this up too & the parents cover it up. The parents can’t be that dumb with a multi million dollar business, a CEO basically
‘The prime of Miss Jean Brodie’, Patsy’s favorite novel/movie she was obsessed with talks about eating pineapple with cream. The movie she was obsessed with also talks about a ransom note.
The movie, Who Killed Jonbenet, gave a version of Patterson's interview in which Burke kept changing the subject when being asked for clarification of his answers.
Agreed, thank you for pointing this out! What's also odd to me is why there is so much reticence about the pineapple. Why not excuse it away like everything else? Broken window? Oh, no worries, John broke that months ago and hasn't gotten around to repairing it. Three page dissertation of a ransom note? There must have been a verbose foreign intruder! Kids can be very picky eaters. It's not hard to imagine Burke refusing to eat fancy dinner foods served at the party and Patsy quieting his tantrum by promising to make his favorite snack when they got home. JonBenet could have also been given a bite before getting ready for bed. Why was it so important to make everyone believe she was asleep when they got home? No one would have even batted an eye at that explanation, it could have been a non-issue. Instead, the Ramseys waved a big red flag by acting bizarrely and throwing around wildly speculative theories about the bowl of pineapple. Was there something so abhorrent, so egregious about the events surrounding getting a snack before bed that they felt the need to deny all knowledge? Curiouser and curiouser still.
They had to stick with the storyline of "we all went to bed straight after they arrived home because they had an early morning flight. Anything outside of that happened while they were all sound asleep.
The parents, especially John, were so adamant that Jon Benet, was asleep when she came home, and went straight to bed., The story about her eating pineapple would have thrown that narrative way off. It looked like they will Never reveal what really happened, and thats suspicious to me.... Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
Anytime pineapple is brought up this family gets super weird and offensive because they know that they lied about the timeline after they got home. They didn’t go straight to bed, something bizarre happened at the table with pineapple.
Smit spent a whole 2 days at the crime scene, crawled through a window lined with old spider webs then concluded an intruder murdered JB! Who paid Smit?
The photo of a tray of fruit including pineapple shows the Ramsey children dyeing eggs which is traditionally done at Easter. Jon Benet was murdered on Christmas Day.
The photo is only used as an example to show that fresh pineapple was usual in the Ramsey household, even though none of the family want to acknowledge the existence of fresh pineapple or that is was indeed JB and B’s favourite snack. There was no suggestion that the photo is from that Christmas or that it is the pineapple that JB ate.
The brother is handsome kid…and a kid yes. But I can tell you my older brother used to beat the crap out of me I was the younger sister. Many times I would call my mom at her work terrified for my life. My brother would choke me stab me with forks..violent stuff. So we can’t assume that because he’s a kid he’s not capable.. trust me kids are capable of horrific violence. Am I saying he did it?? No. I’m merely stating it’s possible.
kids in my third grade class would hold a classmate down & step on his stomach. Children can be capable of very terrible behaviour. I saw a friend's 5-year-old smothering a younger sibling with a couch cushion. I do not understand why these thoughts come into the mind of youngsters, but I have seen it firsthand over the years.
You have no idea what happened. He was nine years old! He was interrogated by himself for hours by professionals, if he were lying you don't think they would have tripped him up or he would have made a mistake in his story?
I remember feeling so disappointed when Lou said that he thought the parents were innocent. I still respect him but they definitely pulled the wool over his eyes
I can't get past Patsy lying so openly about dyeing Jonbenet's hair. She point blank denied it, but yet, pictures of JB when she was skiing, and at a birthday party, much younger, show her with brown hair. There is no way such a colour difference is natural, especially when you look at Patsy's colouring, Burke, and all of John's other children, who are all brunette. Blonde hair often turns darker as we age, but you'd need almost permanant sunshine for brown hair to turn peroxide blonde. Patsy was capable of very blatant lies regarding Jonbenet.
Maybe Burke woke her up by telling her he would make her pineapple. Her pillow was downstairs, making me think that she brought it down with her from the bedroom. I think patsy sounds realistically baffled by the bowl. Patsy’s prints would be on it if she unloaded the dishwasher. Burke prints were on it, as well. The spoon was a large one, not one a mother would give with the bowl. The glass with the teabag is something that a kid would do to make iced tea not realizing that the water needs to be hot. Maybe it was planned by Burke out of jealousy. We don’t know if they had some kind of fight that day. And the parents certainly wouldn’t say. Just my thoughts.
It is quite possible that JonBenet got out of bed, went downstairs and got a bowl of pineapple from the fridge. Why does everyone assume the only way she could have got it was if someone had given it to her?
I’m glad you can tell that this kid. Has mental issues. Are you a fucking doctor qualified to say this child has a mental. Issue don’t thinks your opinion fucking sucks
he’s a kid why would he want to be there questioned about his sisters murder how traumatic for him. An adult woukd not even want to sit there. Einstein
It was stated in some video on YT here by another username that at one of the house parties they went to that night there WAS fruit salad with pineapple. There was another video by another suername person that said the forensic examiner said the substance in her somtach was 'pineapple-like' in consistency. and that was all they could say abou it. I never heard it was fresh pineapple and not from a can, anywhere.
Prior to this case, I never heard of anyone eating pineapple in milk. As for the teabag, it could have been put in the glass after making a cup of tea to keep it from messing up the counter. I’m inclined to think one of them did it. But I still can’t come to terms with the way it was done and I can’t believe a 9 year old would know how to use a garrote.
They learned all the knots in scouts. They also learned to make something similar to a garotte to carry or drag loads. Put it in that context and you should be able to see right away what he was going to use the garotte for -- not to kill, but to CARRY. He was trying to move her
@@redneckblackheart 👍👍Gosh that could explain why the garotte marks were so deep , by dragging her to the basement.👍👍I've seen the the photos from the case files and the marks are from being pulled upwards, which would be from being pulled along.
Patsy says she didnt put bowl there....she wouldnt do ....do what...put the serving spoon in the bowl. She realized who did it and cant say without incriminating burke.
I’ll never forget watching The Today show shortly after she was killed. You know how they would go out on the street and greet the crowd? This creepy old guy kept trying to get the hosts attention…when they finally spoke to him, he smiled so big and said He was JonBenets Santa. It was really creepy! It has stuck with me all these years. He had a small vial that he said was magic or fairy dust (or something like that) he said he had given one to JonBenet.
I find it super odd that Patsy said she "wouldn't do that" about the pineapple. Huh? You wouldn't give a kid pineapple? Wouldn't put it in a bowl? Wouldn't leave the bowl out? Wouldn't do what? Fingerprints say she touched the bowl without cleaning it maybe?
From pineapple bowl, flashlight, plush Santa toy, writing on family photos to the suitcase under basement window; the Ramseys dont seem to know how any of those items appeared inside their home. Hmmmmmm...
HE was not strong enough to kill her. NO way. That was a crime of a sexual nature. READ the distinguished Dr. Cyril Wecht's assessment from the autopsy findings. NO ONE mentions this at ALL - the REASON WHY she was assaulted- is under everyone's nose.
Decades later, I still believe Patsy did it. It was Christmas and Patsy could have been tired and reached her limit with Jon Benets bedwetting. Burke could have left unfinished pineapple on the counter. If Patsy had to do laundry, Jon Benet could have started eating some pineapple but her Mother probably was angry and kept her in the laundry room with her as punishment and maybe things got out of hand and Patsy lost her temper and patience. I think both parents covered up the crime.
Not sure if the pineapple had anything to do with the events of that evening, but it certainly disrupts the open and shut timeline for Jonbenet's activities. If she went right to bed at 9:30pm, then no one need explain her actions, words, whereabouts or interaction with other household members.
Amazing how a bowl of pineapple rules! For sure, no one would have imagined that yellow piece of evidence in her digestive tract would have turned everything upsidedown. JB may have been put to bed at 10, but knowing sibling behavior, Burke may have said, "Let's go down and check the toys!" So she follows him, eats a bit of pineapple and from that point, darkness...
If it was indeed fresh pineapple then someone would have had to have prepared it. I doubt Jon Benet or her brother were capable of that. So was a bowl of it sitting in the fridge already prepared and one of the kids helped themselves to it from there. They could have just grabbed any bowl that was sitting out and may not have been washed up, hence Patsy's prints on it. What happened after that I'm not sure. But I feel like both kids were up and prowling around after their parents were asleep in bed and something happened. I think Burke probably accidentally killed her in a rage over something or another.
The ransom note is ridiculous...kidnappers don't tell you who they are for one thing ..and it's not 3 pages ..only a fool would believe that..also before they found her wouldn't you be waiting for a phone call? Not searching the wine cellar?
I've always wondered if the Ramseys wanted to distance themselves from the pineapple because maybe JonBenet hadn't been put to bed right away as they claimed. Maybe JonBenet had a snack & during that time Patsy had noticed some "tell" between John & JonBenet that alerted her to John's inappropriate behavior & then later that night she followed up on her suspicions, resulting in violence. I could imagine them arguing after, & Patsy saying, "I noticed what you were doing when JonBenet had her snack." Then, they would want to edit out that part.
The "clocked stopped" at the moment of the pineapple. Whatever was going on in that house at the moment JonBenet ate the pineapple was brought to an abrupt halt right then (& from what I have learned of this case, she must have eaten it soon before her time of death as it was undigested in her system). Amidst all the mayhem that broke out when JonBenet was harmed, the bowl with it's remaining contents, was left, still sitting there, forgotten about on the table. I do believe that's when the "clock stopped" - so to speak - that is the point in time when that little girl was harmed and everything unfolded as it did from there - al the planning & all the deception. I believe the pineapple & how she got that pineapple and who was there in that moment is the answer to all of this. That mostly-full bowl just sitting there makes no sense at all - why was it just left like that - not finished, not washed & put away? If it was a favourite snack it would have been eaten all up - not left full. Kids don't usually leave their favourite snacks go unfinished.
@@Sugarplum-1819 there's like a thousand different meanings for pineapples since it's present in so many cultures for so long, she's just making shit up
Could the parents have had the option to not allow Burke to be interviewed? If he did something or knew something, why would the Ramseys allow him to be interviewed? He might slip up and say something incriminating.
They delayed interviews for months also put time boundrys on interviews as well they did everything to make themselves unavailable and disputed every bit of evidence the police put forward with their own experts They also like the mc carns took to media to control the narritive months before being interviewed They seem to break up the story in bits and attack each bit never letting the story make a picture it seems to me
He knew right from wrong & had all night to rehearse. The dad said he helped him with the train track in his room, but the train track in basement , the dad said was the last one woke according to himself and the first one woke in the whole shower whilebparay throwedbon her clothes and makeup and did her hair to walk down some stairs and find a letter not a note.
Thanks for your thorough work Nick! It's mindblowing what is coming up while you shake it. ❤ JR has to be squeeeking in his brain. Do not think or talk about the elephant in the room... No... Nothing to see here. Man, the evidence is coming soo clear. He knows it... I hope these videos make him regret things and come clear.
I have always believed that Burke got mad at his sister over the pineapple and struck her. John and Patsy covered it up to protect their son and family name.
The parents were saying they didn’t feed their daughter pineapple but the mother’s prints are on the bowl. The bowl was on the table as was a flashlight that the father said was not his, it has no prints on it. Yet in one story the father says he took Burke up to bed using a flashlight. I thought he made that up to explain for the flashlight which he later denied.
My Father and Mother knowingly never let abuse go on between us. We knew better. And we were never aloud to have rage toward one another. I threw a butter knife at my brother while we were outside doing a job for my Father. For some reason I got mad at my brother. My Dad happened to see it. He took me by the hand led me inside. Let's say I never thought of throwing a knife again. Later on a couple years down the road. My brother and I were playing tag in a tree and as I got close to him in kicked me in the eye. It was terrible. Mother bathed around my eye with a warm wash cloth. It was blurry for a while. My dad tore my brother up. When kids play it can get serious. Parents always need to correct bad behavior. Never let it get out of hand without correction.
I'll leave all the work for the Detectives. I don't have a degree in that. All I can say is after all these years, I sure would like to see resolution. This is a real Whodunnit.
Likely scenario : In lieu of the fact that Patsy was still in the same clothing she wore to Christmas party- the next morning ...we can assume that Patsy never went to bed . She is not the type that goes to bed in her nice outfits - you know she changes into nightgown/ pajamas- or ' birthday suit ' before going to bed . Nor is she the type of woman to wake up ( if she had actually changed into p.j's that night ) then put the same dirty clothes back on she wore night before. Obviously Patsy did not get to bed that night. Which leads me to believe that at least the kids were in kitchen - getting a late night snack right after coming home from party . Burke grabbed a large silver stirring spoon , scooped up some pre- cut pineapple ( that was in fridge ) - he filled the white bowl , went to table , set bowl down - walked back to sink & cupboards to find a glass , tea bags & water . As he is making his sweet tea - Jon Benet plops down at kitchen table starts gobbling some pineapple 🍍. Just grabbing pieces & never touching bowl. This explains only Patsy & Burks prints . We know that the evidence indicates that Jon Benet ate pineapple a few hours before she died. This sets jealous Burke into a rage 😡- he yells at her - chases her around & whacks her upside the head with a flashlight .( This explains reason why the bowl of pineapple was not finished ) She could of ran all the way downstairs by the time he caught up with her . Then comes the awful garrote strangling & hymen tears . Burke had a history of sibling abuse towards his little sister 😕 not long ago he had gone into a jealous rage , whacking his sister on head with baseball bat. His jealously & insecurities over all the attention his sister got- he saw her as spoiled & mom & dads favorite. Likely the history of his attacks will show that his outbursts & loss of control - resulting in his attacks upon Jon Benet - had been going on for many years. This time it just didn't end well. The next door neighbor was interviewed - she SD that she noticed Burke's jealous rages on Jon Benet often. So knowing that this was a pattern of abuse ( sibling abuse is a real thing) we know that abuse progresses into more frequent attacks & becomes more violent . We also know that Burke smears 💩 all over Jon Benets bedroom walls . This shows mental anguish , & distain , disrespect for his sister . The ultimate disrespect towards another person - is the unwanted act of sex ,He may of also been the one who has been S.A her. . This goes along with the cycle of abuse .Burke disrespecting her body . I think the commotion got Patsy's attention...she had been upstairs in her room packing for their plane trip in the morning. She hears the kids running around ,& Jon Benets loud screams ( a neighbor did hear a child's scream around midnight. By the time Patsy got downstairs - it was too late . Her daughter had not survived Burke's attack. I don't picture either parent going to those extreme lengths to creative a cover up ( garrote, using end of a broken off paintbrush to S.A her to make it look like a sick pedo intruder had murdered her. Nope, pretty sure Burke did all of that after chasing her down / whacking her skull open . All of the rest of the staging was done by Patsy & John though. They had to protect their only son . They covered up, wrote fake ransom notes , invited bunch of their friends over to contaminant the crime scene house . Being that neither Patsy nor John had any history of physical violence upon their children - and Burke does ... There's your answer If it looks like a duck- quacks like a 🦆... It IS a DUCK 🦆. BURKE is the duck.
She ate the pineapple, was knocked on the head . She was given up for dead and staging began. She came to a couple hours later and was strangled to finish her off ? Explaining time to digest
@@larrywakeman4371 It is inconclusive which came first, some experts believe the head trauma could have been inflicted before the strangulation , the injuries happened so close together that without definitive evidence the precise order remains a matter of speculation,
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Oh! He remembers!
You might say you wouldn't remember 20 years later, but he was repeatedly asked about it as a young boy and showed pictures, and asked questions close to the time. These prods are likely to have lingered in his long term memory, aren't they?
Right, it wasn't a bowl of pineapple (with milk) on any ordinary day, it was the eve of his sister's murder so I do believe that would be something that's in the forefront of ones memory..... life changing and traumatic.
@TCRS IMHO, there is a vast difference between remembering and not wanting to remember. Perhaps he was told not to remember when asked? He was a squirrelly one when asked questions coming from the detective. Do you know if the detective was qualified to work with children? If Burke is on the spectrum, it could have made a difference in his answers. Nick, it is almost 1:AM in the states. Your brilliant presentations always bamboozle my mind. Thanks for another impeccable video and thank you for all your hard work.👏🥛🥣👍
@@TCRSyes, absolutely
@@lired70 I'm pretty sure Burke is on the spectrum, the way he climbs all over the chair says that much. This was the mid 90's and there was very little awareness of ADHD/Autism back then. And what little awareness that did exist came with alot of denial among parents who didn't want to believe their child had psychological or behavioral issues. Mostly due to the stigmas that existed at that time. Ramsey parents were baby boomers who were very invested in "keeping up appearances" as they seem exactly like the type of parents who would deny such things. Their desire to appear normal would likely have taken precedence over Burke's mental health needs.
Burke squirms , tucks himself in, and was very hesitant at the sight of that pineapple in the picture presented to him by the therapist. He identified the glass with the tea bag but went around the pineapple. Something about that pineapple made him uncomfortable.
Bingo. It was the “Oh 🥴” for me.
Exactly!
The only thing with the pic he was shown is its a photostat copy of a photo and in black and white..be interesting to see how it looks in black and white.
The substance in the bowl was likely not recognizable due to it being a low quality black and white photocopy of the picture and the fact that it was pineapple and cream.
I agree.
It was ludicrous for John to say he didn't recognize the bowl or spoon, thereby insinuating that the supposed intruder brought it. I wonder if any of the Ramseys have any clue just how ridiculous some of their statements sounded?
It’s a shame how they covered up all the important clues, with bogus storytellers
@@Counthemoney777 He's so slick and continues to be, really irritating!
... and they still got away with murder.
Ikr! 😂.. “I mean I always take a bowl of pineapple with me when I break into a strangers home” .. said no criminal ever!
Yes, its a sign of wanting to distance them all from the bowl of pineapple. I think Patsy inadvertently identifies Burke or even JonBenet as the person who chose the massive spoon, I believe her when she says she wouldn't have setup things that way.
Someone in that family got away with murder.
Yep! And I think the brother did it and mom and dad covered for him.
@@maryowens8763 That's what I think, as well... I also believe that maybe the police higher-ups and DA's office may have helped them because of their high status in the community. That's harsh, I know, but it's what I think may have happened.
and that person was Patsy
@@USArmy91222
It was burke ffs. A child can be openly neglected for only so long. It also explains the phony ransom note when the body never left the house. patsy wrote the note to save the only remaining child
@@maryowens8763I agree.
So let’s replay this Nick. The intruder breaks into the already broken window from months ago without disturbing the cobwebs around it and didn’t leave fingerprints or footprints outside or inside, the house is dark so he used a flashlight to go upstairs and lure Jon Benet downstairs to eat a bowl of pineapple, in the meantime he writes a three page verbose ransom note saying you do this she dies, you do that she dies, you talk to a stray dog she dies ( and other quotes from a book on the shelf of the Ramsey home ) written on the Ramsey notepad with the Ramsey pen, then brings her to the basement, kills her, leaves her there but makes sure to lock the door behind him , forgets his flashlight standing upright on the table ( no one knows who’s flashlight it is because there are no fingerprints on it) apparently he wore gloves the whole time and booties too because while going back out the window he came in from, and again didn’t disturb the cobweb, he hoisted himself up onto a suitcase perpendicular to the wall rather than parallel that he placed there but had no fingerprints on, left and ran way without any footprints in the frosty grounds. All claiming to want $118,000, not $1 million, … $118,000 for doing all that. He had a generous heart, didn’t ask for much money, and even advised them to be well rested…. Got it.
Exactly.
there really isn't any mystery to this case, the evidence clearly points to the Ramsey's, specifically Patsy Ramsey!!
Exactly. How long does it take for a child to ingest food? Cause that’s how long they had
And the fact that the family fav was so questionable for everyone? I mean it was right there
Why is pineapple such a trigger for everyone?
The way Burke attempts to avoid the pineapple question is telling.
I think he simply didn't recognize what was in the bowl because the photocopied picture was poor quality and there was both pineapple and cream in the bowl. You could see it was a bowl, but the resolution on what was in it was poor.
@@bills6093 Oh I believe he recognized it since this was a favorite snack of theirs..... unless of course he confused it with a bowl of yellow packing peanuts with milk.
@bills6093 it's the part where the investigator is asking Burke about the types of snacks his mom feeds them. He never does bring up pineapple. Patsy said at one time pineapple was their favorite fruit.
At immediate first thought; I would think that after all retired, Burke went downstairs and JB followed him.
@@dianerandazzo1766 Arguing all the way down to the basement, and in the train room Burke stabbed JB with the toy railroad track, not killing her.
Patsy and John, knowing a trip to the ER would land them in jail for physical and sexual abuse, finished what Burke started by murdering JB.
The BPD, out of ignorance didn't didn't even search for the toy track, and had they did they would have found it and the flashlight on Burke's person the next morning as he was being ushered out of the house.
Burke was told to dispose of the track and flashlight probably in the form of a threat of going to jail, though that wasn't the case.
Patsy grabbed that "second" flashlight on her way to the basement after hearing all the commotion because the stairs to the basement were dark; Burke was sent to his room and an argument between John and Patsy festered, with Patsy swinging the flashlight at John, missing and hitting JB instead.
Then the cover up began..
My fingerprints would be on all the dishes in my kitchen. I am usually the one that puts them away.
I said hte same exact thing Fingerpints on dinnerware, silverware and glassware and pots means nothing if one is the wife, mother,....that does NOT mena she killed her daughter.I mean those investigators were ridiculous and franklyI woudl have gotten annoyed at them too and their stupid questions and dirty looks. I dont' see her as killing Jonbenet- her little self, her pride and joy, her future life, NO! NO way..
and Burke's too. Thought he was upstairs the whole time?
@@dennistrull1475no, I thought he said he got up and played with a toy, that night?
@@SJ-ni6iy he did say that. Leading some to think he may have passed the killer in the hallway
@@larrywakeman4371: I believe you are correct.
A bowl will have the fingerprints of the person who removed it from the dishwasher and put it away.
The dad is VERY sketchy, Patsy seems like she's too passive and will do anything to save her family. The son is definitely whacky and seems like he's out if touch with reality. As most wealthy people are. They definitely covered it up. That's why the killer hasn't been caught yet
WHY didn't these detectives take DNA off of the spoon?????
I’ve been scrolling looking for this exact question. 👆🏻
Do you know for sure that they didn't? I haven't heard anything about that one way or the other.
@@carolyncurry9615 Thank you. Nobody mentions that. Also, my logical suggestion that everyone LISTEN to the distinguished Dr. CYRIL WECHT's explanation from autopsy findings which is the most probable is never brought up w either. NO ONE brings up THAT reasonr that Dr. Wecht has figured out egarding what was done to her- it is right under all of our eyes and makes the most sense.. WHY not? WHY isn't t Dr. Wecht's theory discussed? - because then there is NO mystery, that is WHY> reminds me of DP- I keep suggesting to look at LOW IRON AEMIA regarding missing people and my logical suggestion is NEVER acknowledged or discussed as a viable theory aside from wild animal predation. Before the age of making money from amatuer videos, iti s most probable that these theories would have been discussed.
@@larrywakeman4371I haven’t read your theory about the correlation of low iron/ferretin levels and missing people?
I’m anaemic and I can’t see the correlation I’m afraid.
@@larrywakeman4371yes. What is going on with missing people and low iron anemia?
"Even Lou Smit, the arch- apologist" for the Ramseys 😅
I love it. Right on TCRS!!
@Greylobster indeed he did. He HAD to be paid off by john, had to be.
Of all the adults in the house, John is the least likely to know about bowls in the house. Not just an average house, but one with a maid and housewife who are far more likely to deal with bowls than the businessman that spends more time outside the house than in it.
Yes, but he did also eat there so he knew
@@mochimagic1318 John saw the bowl on his way down to the basement where JD was screaming after Burke had just stabbed her with the toy railroad track..
I hear you Master Windu. Another factor in his “bowl blindness” is his age/generation. I really love a -clean- organized kitchen, but my dad is oblivious to it. Not in a “misogynistic/gender-role/kitchen is women’s work” way, he just doesn’t see it.
I once left a cup of koolaid on the table to see how long it took him to realize. He didn’t.
If someone had asked John for a bowl of cereal hit would have taken 3 attempts at opening cabinets before he found the bowl and spoon
@@allan9603so the Ramsey’s covered this up to protect Burke but allowed him to speak to police alone, at 9 years old? That makes zero sense and you have zero proof.
I would think that these bowls were bought new from a store or delivered from somewhere. These people didn't shop at yard sales or take dishes from other people. That means there are 11 more bowls that are identical to this one in the cabinets bare minimum. And plates would be there to match the bowls and cups with the same pattern. These people don't have mismatched dishes. I feel John would know that many dishes he eats from look exactly like the pineapple bowl. He could be as dish blind as he likes and still know that he eats from solid white bowls.
They are insistent about the pineapple because they know it messes up their original story
They are in the clear on it because the coroner was very far from sure that it was pineapple.
But it wasn’t the original story. On the morning of the 26th, before the body was found, John told two separate police personnel that he read to JonBenet and Burke in the solarium room before bed that night. Burke also at one point said JonBenet was awake when they got home and walked up the stairs herself. It was only after they lawyered up that the stories started to change. One of those changes was that she was “zonked”. The last stop to drop presents off was at the Stines. Susan Stine said she saw the family “intact” and all bubbly about the upcoming trips. The Stine’s house was less than a two minute drive to the Ramseys house.
@@bills6093It was lab tested at the University of Colorado by specialists and confirmed to be pineapple.
@@Giorgiafan78I just saw a video. Smitty says there was definitely pineapple in JonBenet GI tract. John Ramsey says are you sure? Lou Smitt says yes.. definitely. So there's that.
No pillow on her bed and there is a picture of a pillow in the kitchen on the bench and chair. I do feel she came downstairs with her pillow after being put to bed and something happened to her from that point.
Definitely- perhaps indulged bin some of Burke's pineapple
The pillow situation never garnered that much attention and I wonder why. I can't find any plausible info talking about theories on why it's in the kitchen. Seems peculiar to me
@@BamaFanUSMCI know when my daughter was that age if I wanted to move her while sleeping I would cradle her with my arm under the pillow supporting her head , so it could possibly be someone moving her to the kitchen taking care she doesn’t wake ?
@@BamaFanUSMCit should have been preserved for future DNA tests
Have you listened to True Crime Garage? They had a detective discuss the case and he has some witnesses, who link the police and the Ramsey’s church, to a p- file ring and a cover up.
So Jon Benet’s fingerprints weren’t on the bowl? What about the spoon? Poor little girl deserves justice🥺Great videos!
I've always been of the opinion that Burke killed her
Me too
Me too.
A nine year is going to break a brush ...it's going to build up a garrote..She died from the garrote being used from behind until sofocation happened.. A nine year old that slim its going to carry the body downstairs act???
@@rostycosyAll way too mind boggling…
@@rostycosy I. Hear ya and sort of agree. But, on the other hand, who’s left in the house that would do such a thing to her? Do you think one of the other siblings arrived and perhaps are involved?
There is something else important regarding the pineapple. Whoever was eating it, was interrupted. The bowl is full, so it makes no sense that one of the children had the pineapple cut and prepared with milk, only to take a couple of bites.
Good Point.
Well, it's a serving spoon, suggesting that it was being dished out from the bowl. At any rate, the coroner did not actually identify pineapple in the autopsy, so the pineapple angle is odd. There's basically nothing I know of to show that she ate any pineapple, except claims in books.
@@bills6093exactly.
@@bills6093 YES WHY? WHy is this pineapple nonsense being hashed out over and over?! I mena, I can guess why, if you get my drift....I have said that: It was stated in some video on YT here by another username that at one of the house parties they went to that night there WAS fruit salad with pineapple.
There was another video by another susname person that said the forensic examiner said the substance in her somtach was 'pineapple-like' in consistency. and that was all they could say abou it. I never heard it was fresh pineapple and not from a can, anywhere.
@@marygoff3332 YES WHY? WHy is this pineapple nonsense being hashed out over and over?! I mena, I can guess why, if you get my drift....I have said that: It was stated in some video on YT here by another username that at one of the house parties they went to that night there WAS fruit salad with pineapple.
There was another video by another susname person that said the forensic examiner said the substance in her somtach was 'pineapple-like' in consistency. and that was all they could say abou it. I never heard it was fresh pineapple and not from a can, anywhere.
You would remember if you ate pineapple the eve of your sister's death creepy. Also we're not stupid, there's no way an intruder brought a bowl with them to put pineapple in that the intruder hoped would be in the kitchen, knowing she lived it....come on now.
An intruder didn't take the time to leave a long lame three page ransom letter either when they knew the little one was dead. The only thing that makes sense is that Patsy or Burke had gotten up and gave her the pineapple, if that was indeed the fruit that was in her digestive system. There was NO INTRUDER and we know this, it doesn't make sense.
What if she got up for Santa’s post Christmas visit bringing her pillow with her, and there was pineapple already on the table? Maybe it was there since the morning and they didn’t put it away (not exactly a stretch if you’ve seen the cluttered house). Maybe she took a few bites while waiting. Did you see how tight that string was around her neck? This was no accident.
@@cici2562 Well I agree they weren't very tidy, but I don't think the bowl of pineapple would be there for hours on the table waiting for her from "Santa" especially with milk on it, the whole thing would go sour. Of course we know it wasn't an "accident" so your comment confuses me unless I've misunderstood your meaning. We know it was murder.... that's why the garrote (rope) was so tight around her neck, it was meant to strangle her.
@@michelleadams474 a lot of people theorize that JonBenet Ramsey’s death was an accident, either caused by Burke or her mother. I haven’t seen even half of this poster’s videos to know which angle he’s coming from (aside from inside job), so I don’t know if he’s thinking accidental or intentional. But it seems much less likely that a family member would intentionally do such a thing.
@@michelleadams474a garrotte isn’t just a rope
@@johnscanlon2598 I'm aware of that. The commenter called it a string so I was trying to gently correct the error.
They were constantly grasping at straws.
Before they called Law Enforcement, the Ramsey's may have felt they had every aspect of their plot covered: the Ransom note, the staged murder scene in the basement and the story they drummed into Burke's head. But note how one -- just one -- foul up in their elaborate scheme, the pineapple in JonBenet's stomach, becomes a key element in the investigation. Neither John or Patsy Ramsey or Burke had considered a forensic team would examine the contents of JonBenet's stomach, which revealed one damning fact -- the presence of fresh cut pineapple -- the last thing JonBenet ate before she died.
No matter what Patsy or John or Burke may say, the pineapple tells the truth. Patsy and JonBenet are gone, but John and Burke both know. John still thinks he has it all covered. Burke looks like he's insane for having killed someone.
So you would have prosecuted a 9 year old kid because of pineapple? There’s no evidence saying Burke did it and you shouldn’t call someone a murderer based on looks.
Yes, he does look like he is insane for having killed someone! Lol...He looks like he is about to snap from holding it in all this time!
@@SJ-ni6iy It’s not just pineapple. It’s the totality of evidence that points to something other than what the parents said.
1:07 -" _Would you remember eating pineapple 20 years ago._ "
Yes, Burke, because it'd coincides with a major event!! 😠
I remember what drink I was given when I heard the news about a relative passing. It sticks!
It depends. Not everyone remembers the same way other people do, and many people actually misremembered things.
Me? I remember a number of traumatic events in my life, but I don't remember any of details. Prob because the details weren't important to me at the time. Of course, I remember minutia surrounding some rather mundane, non-event. Go figure.
@@BuzzyStreet Either way, his logic does not stand.
yes ..like the last meal he ate with his sister before hitting her in the head with a Maglight torch
I would remember any given food item even better if it ALLEGEDLY were the CAUSE for the following major event! Seeing an adult Burke in the interview I see a psychopath basking in duper's delight and the warm feeling that he got away with - weeeell, something... My opinion.
But do you remember what drink you had the day before, which would be the context of the video? No it doesn't stick for everyone. I have no specific food or drink memories associated with any event like that, except for fried chicken and green beans after a great uncle's funeral, and that I was eating some sort of nonspecific candy I had been given DURING the moment I was told my grandad had passed.
JonBenet sleeping through the car driving until they tucked her in bad is the key to solve the murder.. they are lying… cuz to say “ she was asleep and this is it we didn’t see her anymore “ is the easy way to escape from questioning
There should be an investigation about that investigation.
There has been.
@@sherylphilben1616 Cops investigating themselves? I get it !
Excellent analysis thank you.
I can fully fathom why Patsy's fingerprints are on the bowl. She could have been the person who put it away, after it was cleaned from previous use. It's Burke's fingerprints being on it that are more interesting to me. Also Burke's reaction to the photo, in the police interview.
Did you see that Pat Brown gave your work a strong seal of approval? 🙂
The spoon is pure silver, not just silverware. The pattern is Rosepoint. The spoon shouldn't have been left in an acidic substance as it would cause pitting in the silver. Did the Ramsey's eat using their silver place settings normally or were they using it just for Christmas. Where was the rest of the silver place settings and auxiliary pieces?
And who brings their good silver to a murder lol good point though
@@PamKopp-ot7fd
Seriously? Every classy kiddie killer carries their tools with them to the crime in their attache.
Maybe pitting the precious silver made Patsey strangle her. Patsy had a "no wire hangers!" that ended Jon Benet 😮
@@PamKopp-ot7fdthis is a rich household, you gotta do it in style...
I think it was Burke. Patsy trying to distance herself from the pineapple as well as everyone else is pretty telling. The pineapple in the stomach and the carelessly left bowl of it. Super sus. Plus Burke hit her on the head with a club,weeks before
Hit her so badly she had to visit a plastic surgeon. Patsy’s words.
I think she was already injured the day before they went to bed , and that’s why they never went to bed . The whole family planned the story & why no one would talk about the older 2 children they trying to keep away from the scene. If we all know they are lying then how about add the other two children to the scene, that soposly showed up in town after the murder they were under 21 too. Old enough to set this up too & the parents cover it up. The parents can’t be that dumb with a multi million dollar business, a CEO basically
@@grape_ringpopmy brother broke my arm, he was showing me his wrestling moves but he never killed me.
‘The prime of Miss Jean Brodie’, Patsy’s favorite novel/movie she was obsessed with talks about eating pineapple with cream. The movie she was obsessed with also talks about a ransom note.
Patsy did all this.
@@lauraburger1272
In the movie, who discussed a ransom note??
Do you mean ‘cream’ or do you mean ‘milk’ ?
@@whoswhoatthezoo9372in the book it says cream.
Tom Cruise knows where Shelly Miscavige is
Come out of the closet Tom…
Good point, wrong video 😂
@@StigmaX indeed he does
"I didn't put the bowl there, ok ,
I wouldn't set it up like that"
What's odd about the set 'up' though?
I think she was going to say she wouldn’t keep the spoon in the dish. Pineapple juice is bad for silverware. It pits it.
And she wouldn't use a serving spoon for a child to eat with.
It's a stage prop.
The movie, Who Killed Jonbenet, gave a version of Patterson's interview in which Burke kept changing the subject when being asked for clarification of his answers.
Agreed, thank you for pointing this out! What's also odd to me is why there is so much reticence about the pineapple. Why not excuse it away like everything else? Broken window? Oh, no worries, John broke that months ago and hasn't gotten around to repairing it. Three page dissertation of a ransom note? There must have been a verbose foreign intruder!
Kids can be very picky eaters. It's not hard to imagine Burke refusing to eat fancy dinner foods served at the party and Patsy quieting his tantrum by promising to make his favorite snack when they got home. JonBenet could have also been given a bite before getting ready for bed.
Why was it so important to make everyone believe she was asleep when they got home?
No one would have even batted an eye at that explanation, it could have been a non-issue. Instead, the Ramseys waved a big red flag by acting bizarrely and throwing around wildly speculative theories about the bowl of pineapple.
Was there something so abhorrent, so egregious about the events surrounding getting a snack before bed that they felt the need to deny all knowledge? Curiouser and curiouser still.
They had to stick with the storyline of "we all went to bed straight after they arrived home because they had an early morning flight. Anything outside of that happened while they were all sound asleep.
Absolutely love your videos and breakdowns-totally binge-worthy and hard to stop once you start!
Interesting facts.Thanks
My heart and gut are telling me that John, Patsy and Burke know the truth about what really happened to Jonbenet 😭
The parents, especially John, were so adamant that Jon Benet, was asleep when she came home, and went straight to bed., The story about her eating pineapple would have thrown that narrative way off. It looked like they will Never reveal what really happened, and thats suspicious to me.... Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
Yeah the bowl ive wondered about that so it was part of their dishes good catch
Anytime pineapple is brought up this family gets super weird and offensive because they know that they lied about the timeline after they got home. They didn’t go straight to bed, something bizarre happened at the table with pineapple.
Smit spent a whole 2 days at the crime scene, crawled through a window lined with old spider webs then concluded an intruder murdered JB!
Who paid Smit?
Smith was hired by Alex Hunter,DA.
@@amandaravita1085 S-m-i-t, but Hunter of course snubbed his nose at the Grand Jury because he had very influential supporters, the Ramseys!
He had retired only THREE months prior. Interestingly came BACK three months after.
The photo of a tray of fruit including pineapple shows the Ramsey children dyeing eggs which is traditionally done at Easter. Jon Benet was murdered on Christmas Day.
The photo is only used as an example to show that fresh pineapple was usual in the Ramsey household, even though none of the family want to acknowledge the existence of fresh pineapple or that is was indeed JB and B’s favourite snack. There was no suggestion that the photo is from that Christmas or that it is the pineapple that JB ate.
@@leiakiki And that the looks the same as the one in the earlier picture.
The brother is handsome kid…and a kid yes. But I can tell you my older brother used to beat the crap out of me I was the younger sister. Many times I would call my mom at her work terrified for my life. My brother would choke me stab me with forks..violent stuff. So we can’t assume that because he’s a kid he’s not capable.. trust me kids are capable of horrific violence. Am I saying he did it?? No. I’m merely stating it’s possible.
Agreed!
kids in my third grade class would hold a classmate down & step on his stomach. Children can be capable of very terrible behaviour. I saw a friend's 5-year-old smothering a younger sibling with a couch cushion. I do not understand why these thoughts come into the mind of youngsters, but I have seen it firsthand over the years.
My brother constantly hit me. Nobody stopped him.
Burke How can you live with yourself
You have no idea what happened. He was nine years old! He was interrogated by himself for hours by professionals, if he were lying you don't think they would have tripped him up or he would have made a mistake in his story?
Burke was smiling at the funeral..
@@ruthcarter1360He was .
@@boosheet5520 maybe he smiled because the competition was gone and he was been protected by parents
Thanks!
🤔 Hmm, I wonder if the "intruder" who gave the pineapple to JonBenet happened to be ambidextrous.
I remember feeling so disappointed when Lou said that he thought the parents were innocent. I still respect him but they definitely pulled the wool over his eyes
No intruder brought the pineapple there to the house period! I love how the family likes to play the forgetful game. I'm not buying it!
I can't get past Patsy lying so openly about dyeing Jonbenet's hair. She point blank denied it, but yet, pictures of JB when she was skiing, and at a birthday party, much younger, show her with brown hair. There is no way such a colour difference is natural, especially when you look at Patsy's colouring, Burke, and all of John's other children, who are all brunette. Blonde hair often turns darker as we age, but you'd need almost permanant sunshine for brown hair to turn peroxide blonde. Patsy was capable of very blatant lies regarding Jonbenet.
She may have left fingerprints on the board putting it away in the cabinet. However, I think this a huge cover-up.
Bowl.
Maybe Burke woke her up by telling her he would make her pineapple. Her pillow was downstairs, making me think that she brought it down with her from the bedroom. I think patsy sounds realistically baffled by the bowl. Patsy’s prints would be on it if she unloaded the dishwasher. Burke prints were on it, as well. The spoon was a large one, not one a mother would give with the bowl. The glass with the teabag is something that a kid would do to make iced tea not realizing that the water needs to be hot. Maybe it was planned by Burke out of jealousy. We don’t know if they had some kind of fight that day. And the parents certainly wouldn’t say. Just my thoughts.
Yes, indeed! I thought as much, knowing kids like to sneak out of the bedrooms at Christmas time.
👆THIS!! 1000 PERCENT
There is to big of gap in the time the pineapple was eaten and the time if her death for that to make sense.
@@nataliegist2014. Coroner said about 3 hours to digest.
@@mjaboston-gn3tu into the digestive system.
Love watching all your videos on this case TCRS! Keep up the great work!!! Well done!!! You always make a lot of great points 😁
Thanks so much!
@@TCRS your very welcome 🤗😁 keep it up 😁💚always worth watching !!!
It is quite possible that JonBenet got out of bed, went downstairs and got a bowl of pineapple from the fridge. Why does everyone assume the only way she could have got it was if someone had given it to her?
Because her fingerprints were not found on the bowl.
And she’s 6
she's little and could not cut fresh pineapple
anyone that sits in a chair like that has problems
I've seen one other kid do that, and yes , she has some mental issues.
It's a flight response. To stay on your feet means you don't want to be there.
I’m glad you can tell that this kid. Has mental issues. Are you a fucking doctor qualified to say this child has a mental. Issue don’t thinks your opinion fucking sucks
he’s a kid why would he want to be there questioned about his sisters murder how traumatic for him. An adult woukd not even want to sit there. Einstein
@@PatricisSeversonhe did it.
Thanks for these excellent videos ❤
It was stated in some video on YT here by another username that at one of the house parties they went to that night there WAS fruit salad with pineapple.
There was another video by another suername person that said the forensic examiner said the substance in her somtach was 'pineapple-like' in consistency. and that was all they could say abou it. I never heard it was fresh pineapple and not from a can, anywhere.
My sense of justice is lost as time goes by , without video no one can be effectively charged with criminal acts!
Prior to this case, I never heard of anyone eating pineapple in milk. As for the teabag, it could have been put in the glass after making a cup of tea to keep it from messing up the counter. I’m inclined to think one of them did it. But I still can’t come to terms with the way it was done and I can’t believe a 9 year old would know how to use a garrote.
He was taught in the scouts and he was almost ten.
@@jacquelinehunt7794 SHe was sexually assaulted over time . Burke did not do it- he was not strong anough- he was a skinny lithe little boy..
They learned all the knots in scouts. They also learned to make something similar to a garotte to carry or drag loads. Put it in that context and you should be able to see right away what he was going to use the garotte for -- not to kill, but to CARRY. He was trying to move her
@@redneckblackheart Well that thought sheds new light on what happened for me. Thanks for replying.
@@redneckblackheart 👍👍Gosh that could explain why the garotte marks were so deep , by dragging her to the basement.👍👍I've seen the the photos from the case files and the marks are from being pulled upwards, which would be from being pulled along.
Patsy says she didnt put bowl there....she wouldnt do ....do what...put the serving spoon in the bowl. She realized who did it and cant say without incriminating burke.
Exactly.
Why does Burke dance around the pineapple question? It was, supposedly, Burke & Jon B’s favorite.
I’ll never forget watching The Today show shortly after she was killed. You know how they would go out on the street and greet the crowd? This creepy old guy kept trying to get the hosts attention…when they finally spoke to him, he smiled so big and said He was JonBenets Santa. It was really creepy! It has stuck with me all these years. He had a small vial that he said was magic or fairy dust (or something like that) he said he had given one to JonBenet.
I find it super odd that Patsy said she "wouldn't do that" about the pineapple. Huh? You wouldn't give a kid pineapple? Wouldn't put it in a bowl? Wouldn't leave the bowl out? Wouldn't do what? Fingerprints say she touched the bowl without cleaning it maybe?
From pineapple bowl, flashlight, plush Santa toy, writing on family photos to the suitcase under basement window; the Ramseys dont seem to know how any of those items appeared inside their home.
Hmmmmmm...
Why Burke why !
He was Jealous maybe.
HE was not strong enough to kill her. NO way. That was a crime of a sexual nature. READ the distinguished Dr. Cyril Wecht's assessment from the autopsy findings. NO ONE mentions this at ALL - the REASON WHY she was assaulted- is under everyone's nose.
Extreme jealousy. Remember he smeared his feces on Bennet's walls and other disgusting things.
That was a poor attempt for a ransom note. So obvious as cover up. Imo
The only way this case will be solved will be a death bed confession.
Decades later, I still believe Patsy did it. It was Christmas and Patsy could have been tired and reached her limit with Jon Benets bedwetting. Burke could have left unfinished pineapple on the counter. If Patsy had to do laundry, Jon Benet could have started eating some pineapple but her Mother probably was angry and kept her in the laundry room with her as punishment and maybe things got out of hand and Patsy lost her temper and patience. I think both parents covered up the crime.
Not sure if the pineapple had anything to do with the events of that evening, but it certainly disrupts the open and shut timeline for Jonbenet's activities. If she went right to bed at 9:30pm, then no one need explain her actions, words, whereabouts or interaction with other household members.
The interviewer asked Burk if he remembered having a snack on Christmas Eve, not Christmas night.
Burke killed her.
I believe the pineapple had a sedative mixed in. It would mask the taste VERY well
Amazing how a bowl of pineapple rules! For sure, no one would have imagined that yellow piece of evidence in her digestive tract would have turned everything upsidedown.
JB may have been put to bed at 10, but knowing sibling behavior, Burke may have said, "Let's go down and check the toys!" So she follows him, eats a bit of pineapple and from that point, darkness...
You are so good @ this sh#&
He showed him a bowl of pineapple and he acted like he didn not know what was. But he did he just acks like he didn't. Secret are hidden for sure.
Well, the coroner certainly was very far from sure it was pineapple.
If it was indeed fresh pineapple then someone would have had to have prepared it. I doubt Jon Benet or her brother were capable of that. So was a bowl of it sitting in the fridge already prepared and one of the kids helped themselves to it from there. They could have just grabbed any bowl that was sitting out and may not have been washed up, hence Patsy's prints on it. What happened after that I'm not sure. But I feel like both kids were up and prowling around after their parents were asleep in bed and something happened. I think Burke probably accidentally killed her in a rage over something or another.
the pineapple is definitely weird. you would think the kids had ate at the party and wouldn't bother with a snack after getting home but maybe not
At 5.55 there is a photo of Jonbenet dipping her spoon into Burke's bowl, which precedes Pineapplegate
The ransom note is ridiculous...kidnappers don't tell you who they are for one thing ..and it's not 3 pages ..only a fool would believe that..also before they found her wouldn't you be waiting for a phone call? Not searching the wine cellar?
I've always wondered if the Ramseys wanted to distance themselves from the pineapple because maybe JonBenet hadn't been put to bed right away as they claimed. Maybe JonBenet had a snack & during that time Patsy had noticed some "tell" between John & JonBenet that alerted her to John's inappropriate behavior & then later that night she followed up on her suspicions, resulting in violence. I could imagine them arguing after, & Patsy saying, "I noticed what you were doing when JonBenet had her snack." Then, they would want to edit out that part.
The big question: why did the pineapple make everyone in the family clam up?
The "clocked stopped" at the moment of the pineapple. Whatever was going on in that house at the moment JonBenet ate the pineapple was brought to an abrupt halt right then (& from what I have learned of this case, she must have eaten it soon before her time of death as it was undigested in her system). Amidst all the mayhem that broke out when JonBenet was harmed, the bowl with it's remaining contents, was left, still sitting there, forgotten about on the table. I do believe that's when the "clock stopped" - so to speak - that is the point in time when that little girl was harmed and everything unfolded as it did from there - al the planning & all the deception. I believe the pineapple & how she got that pineapple and who was there in that moment is the answer to all of this. That mostly-full bowl just sitting there makes no sense at all - why was it just left like that - not finished, not washed & put away? If it was a favourite snack it would have been eaten all up - not left full. Kids don't usually leave their favourite snacks go unfinished.
Pineapple is also a symbol. Usually I wouldn’t care but…, well this family is creepy
Symbol? Please explain
@@Sugarplum-1819 there's like a thousand different meanings for pineapples since it's present in so many cultures for so long, she's just making shit up
@@helenapopotinha2755okay I see, thank you
@@Sugarplum-1819 it’s a symbol for swinging
It’s a symbol for swinging
Lou Smit suggested that Santa came down the chimney and killed JonBenet chuckling while he said it.
Love these job benet videos
Could the parents have had the option to not allow Burke to be interviewed? If he did something or knew something, why would the Ramseys allow him to be interviewed? He might slip up and say something incriminating.
They delayed interviews for months also put time boundrys on interviews as well they did everything to make themselves unavailable and disputed every bit of evidence the police put forward with their own experts They also like the mc carns took to media to control the narritive months before being interviewed They seem to break up the story in bits and attack each bit never letting the story make a picture it seems to me
He knew right from wrong & had all night to rehearse. The dad said he helped him with the train track in his room, but the train track in basement , the dad said was the last one woke according to himself and the first one woke in the whole shower whilebparay throwedbon her clothes and makeup and did her hair to walk down some stairs and find a letter not a note.
@@Counthemoney777 Burke was in the Kitchen during Patsy's 911 call, you can hear Ramsey scold Burke "We are not talking to you"....
Oh, it was Santa all along!?
Thanks for your thorough work Nick! It's mindblowing what is coming up while you shake it. ❤
JR has to be squeeeking in his brain. Do not think or talk about the elephant in the room... No... Nothing to see here.
Man, the evidence is coming soo clear. He knows it... I hope these videos make him regret things and come clear.
I'm currently eating a bowl of pineapple while enjoying this video. 🍍
I think he remembers. I believe anyone would remember considering that was the day his sister was murdered!!
Burke seems to be dancing around the pineapple subject trying hard to name everything but pineapple until he’s made to
I have always believed that Burke got mad at his sister over the pineapple and struck her. John and Patsy covered it up to protect their son and family name.
I think it was an inside job. I don't buy the intruder theory at all.
Nick, please just tell us who you think did it & what happened ❤️
The parents were saying they didn’t feed their daughter pineapple but the mother’s prints are on the bowl. The bowl was on the table as was a flashlight that the father said was not his, it has no prints on it. Yet in one story the father says he took Burke up to bed using a flashlight. I thought he made that up to explain for the flashlight which he later denied.
My Father and Mother knowingly never let abuse go on between us. We knew better. And we were never aloud to have rage toward one another. I threw a butter knife at my brother while we were outside doing a job for my Father. For some reason I got mad at my brother. My Dad happened to see it. He took me by the hand led me inside. Let's say I never thought of throwing a knife again.
Later on a couple years down the road. My brother and I were playing tag in a tree and as I got close to him in kicked me in the eye. It was terrible. Mother bathed around my eye with a warm wash cloth. It was blurry for a while. My dad tore my brother up. When kids play it can get serious. Parents always need to correct bad behavior. Never let it get out of hand without correction.
I'll leave all the work for the Detectives. I don't have a degree in that. All I can say is after all these years, I sure would like to see resolution. This is a real Whodunnit.
Likely scenario : In lieu of the fact that Patsy was still in the same clothing she wore to Christmas party- the next morning ...we can assume that Patsy never went to bed . She is not the type that goes to bed in her nice outfits - you know she changes into nightgown/ pajamas- or ' birthday suit ' before going to bed . Nor is she the type of woman to wake up ( if she had actually changed into p.j's that night ) then put the same dirty clothes back on she wore night before. Obviously Patsy did not get to bed that night. Which leads me to believe that at least the kids were in kitchen - getting a late night snack right after coming home from party . Burke grabbed a large silver stirring spoon , scooped up some pre- cut pineapple ( that was in fridge ) - he filled the white bowl , went to table , set bowl down - walked back to sink & cupboards to find a glass , tea bags & water . As he is making his sweet tea - Jon Benet plops down at kitchen table starts gobbling some pineapple 🍍. Just grabbing pieces & never touching bowl. This explains only Patsy & Burks prints . We know that the evidence indicates that Jon Benet ate pineapple a few hours before she died. This sets jealous Burke into a rage 😡- he yells at her - chases her around & whacks her upside the head with a flashlight .( This explains reason why the bowl of pineapple was not finished ) She could of ran all the way downstairs by the time he caught up with her . Then comes the awful garrote strangling & hymen tears . Burke had a history of sibling abuse towards his little sister 😕 not long ago he had gone into a jealous rage , whacking his sister on head with baseball bat. His jealously & insecurities over all the attention his sister got- he saw her as spoiled & mom & dads favorite. Likely the history of his attacks will show that his outbursts & loss of control - resulting in his attacks upon Jon Benet - had been going on for many years. This time it just didn't end well. The next door neighbor was interviewed - she SD that she noticed Burke's jealous rages on Jon Benet often. So knowing that this was a pattern of abuse ( sibling abuse is a real thing) we know that abuse progresses into more frequent attacks & becomes more violent . We also know that Burke smears 💩 all over Jon Benets bedroom walls . This shows mental anguish , & distain , disrespect for his sister . The ultimate disrespect towards another person - is the unwanted act of sex ,He may of also been the one who has been S.A her. . This goes along with the cycle of abuse .Burke disrespecting her body . I think the commotion got Patsy's attention...she had been upstairs in her room packing for their plane trip in the morning. She hears the kids running around ,& Jon Benets loud screams ( a neighbor did hear a child's scream around midnight. By the time Patsy got downstairs - it was too late . Her daughter had not survived Burke's attack. I don't picture either parent going to those extreme lengths to creative a cover up ( garrote, using end of a broken off paintbrush to S.A her to make it look like a sick pedo intruder had murdered her. Nope, pretty sure Burke did all of that after chasing her down / whacking her skull open .
All of the rest of the staging was done by Patsy & John though. They had to protect their only son . They covered up, wrote fake ransom notes , invited bunch of their friends over to contaminant the crime scene house . Being that neither Patsy nor John had any history of physical violence upon their children - and Burke does ... There's your answer If it looks like a duck- quacks like a 🦆... It IS a DUCK 🦆. BURKE is the duck.
Totally agree.
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Yep
Their coloring Easter eggs? At Christmas? Right. Come on!
She ate the pineapple, was knocked on the head . She was given up for dead and staging began. She came to a couple hours later and was strangled to finish her off ? Explaining time to digest
NO her head blow was AFTER she was strangled the poor thing. thehead blow did NOT come first.
@@larrywakeman4371 It is inconclusive which came first, some experts believe the head trauma could have been inflicted before the strangulation , the injuries happened so close together that without definitive evidence the precise order remains a matter of speculation,
I can't remember what i ate as a young child.
I would probably block it from my memory if something tragic happened that night??? IDK
There was never an intruder.