He probably was. I always liked John Ramsey. He did very well with his first family and first wife. Great businessman. I can’t imagine him being a pedo or hurting JonBenet. But I can definitely see him covering up a family embarrassment. Or protecting his son, wife & name.
@@lisasmith7066 He did well with his first family and wife? The wife that divorced him? The daughter that died in a car accident? You call that "doing well"? Oddly placed comment.
@johnbetamillershe was not penetrated by a male penis. Hee hyman was torn, by a digit, or at one time at least by the paint brush. No where does it say that she had intercorse. No where!
My very first red flag was that they sent Burke away. My other child would be tied to my side. The second was that JonBenet was found as far away from the parents bedrooom without putting her outside.
People say there were innocent reasons he was sent away, but it was way it was done, shoved out before he could talk to anyone, John even said as he shoved him out the door " he doesn't know anything". He may well have been a witness
Patsy stating she just glanced over the ransom note has always been strange to me. They have searched the house and can't find their daughter. The only life line she has to her beloved daughter is that ransom note. I would be memorizing every word. Trying to figure out who this is!! Do I recognize the handwriting? The phrases, does it sound like some one I know? For years Patsy denies reading the ransom note. Make this make sense.
Was there not any fingerprints left on the note? It was suspicious because if they'd each read it & passed it back & forth, their prints should've been left all over the pages.
I can't speak as a law enforcement officer but I know if it was me and my child I would have searched my entire house repeatedly and that was my first red flag with the parents.
Yes if I woke my other child up and said her sibling was missing she would search until we found her. I'm not sure what I said that confused you. I was answering your question.
@HappyMealBieber actually there is a shit ton of doubt. Lmao. Smh. Tell me what facts, real facts, not your biased uninformed opinions, prove there is no doubt she wrote it.? Patsy actually scored very low on the scale of possibility of having written the note, yet for years lay people claim it was proven she wrote it. That is simply false.
@johnbetamillerthat isn't true whatsoever. You and those like you who so boldly make blatantly false lies and bs claims like this need to be sued. Its a shame you can't be. Lol. WOW! That is absolutely false and contrary to the autopsy and all medical examination of her body. Stop.
John, like OJ Simpson, immediately spent a fortune on tenacious lawyers. And both of them never spent a dime after the murders looking for the real killer.
@@jackpalance2000 another interesting side note on the OJ case that Furman got fired after that for his misconduct and then he wound up in Coeur d'Alene Idaho and another black glove gets found by the trash can. Militant corruption in my opinion. But the original rumor had been that Ron had known some high up people and went after him and technically we all know how that's usually overlooked by certain officers in certain departments that might be getting kickbacks just saying in my opinion only of course based on relevant history
He did spend money after the fact. So many people who aren't familiar with the facts of this case spread false information based on who knows what. This isn't true.
I have followed this crime since the beginning. I have purchased every magazine, read all the books and believe I’ve seen every video. It’s never came up and I was wondering,… How did so-called intruder or kidnapper know to leave the ransom note on the back staircase that Patsy always came down? how would somebody know that……Unless …🤔
Very good point. It shows that whoever placed that note there knew Patsy used that staircase every morning. Who, besides the family, would know that? The hired help. That’s who. They may not have even been the killer, but they orchestrated it
My husband and I not only slept in seperate rooms, we were on seperate floors. He refused to use a cpap and his snoring was so loud he woke the kids and I up. You can be happily married and not sleep in the same bed.
My husband and I slept in separate rooms as we grew older when his snoring was unbelievable and he was up at 4:30 in the morning which was too early for my day to start at that time. The only logical person was Burke who would have done this. His sister was getting all the attention and Patsy was obsessed with her being in those stupid pageants That makes the most sense to me.
My first red flag was they neither one touched the note on the stairs , to pick it up and read it… My second and final red flag was when Burke was interviewed , and he said” he knew who did it”…
The window waa open. The window wasnt open. The window was open 1/8th" The window was wide open. The window was broken. The window was fixed last summer. Makes sense to me 👌🏽
These pageants are supposed to be fun. When I was a kid, I did homecoming pageants for the football teams. I got to dress up in a pretty princess dress, wear makeup, got my hair fixed, then walked the field with the other cheerleaders dressed up and football players from the other teams. It was a fundraising event, so there were other things involved like selling cupcakes, face painting, a grand prize to the team that raised the most, some games that you could play- it was so much fun! I think it's sad how people like to demonize events like this.
@@StaticKayK-z2c Because parading a little girl around in adult lingerie is NOT the same and IS inappropriate. There are A LOT of inappropriate aspects to these pageants
There were many possible points of entry and they already knew that. Some doors were unlocked, windows, specifically the basement window was broken and had been for months at that point.
Also, the whole concept of "well I would've done this" is nonsense. Are you familiar with the phrase Saturday morning quarterback or armchair detective, or backseat driver?😂 It's easy in hindsight or from the outside to think you know what you would do but you don't unless yoire actually in the situation. The entire idea that you would've done something differently is a fallacy, bc you are thinking logically and not with all the stress, emotions, and panic you would be in a serious emergency situation.
@@rmsg7504 I thought about that too. I don’t know the details of the case well and enough- especially the chronology of the first day - to have an answer for that 🤷♂️
@rmsg7504 🌹Your point is very good. Perhaps the Ramsays thought they could get away with directing the investigation elsewhere rather than in the house? Then why would John go and retrieve the body? Perhaps he felt concerned about odor coming from decomposition? I don't think John was the good father and husband his facade implied.🌹😮
Aside from Patsy wearing her clothes from the night before, the pineapple in Jonbenet's stomach was on the table with her brothers fingerprints on the bowl. The pad was Patsy's, the pen was Patsy's...Lou threw Occams Razor to the wind...the evidence speaks... I appreciate your voice on this case. Cheers sir 🍷
Well, we can start with the fact that pineapple is not actually shown to be in JBs GI tract in the autopsy. The statement about pineapple is very vague, by the coroner. There is, as far as I know, no actual evidence that JB ate any pineapple.
@@Socraticstatic44 Read the autopsy, this is all it says about pineapple in the GI tract, a very vague mention: "The yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple." That's pretty weak as far as everyone constantly saying JB ate pineapple. "may represent fragments of pineapple". Or it may not. 50/50.
@bills6093 OK, so you are implying that the statement it may represent pineapple, and the fact that pineapple was present on the island, in a bowl...is still ambiguous in your perspective? It could have been some other "yellow to light green..." substance from some other source than the actual pineapple that was found? Just trying to be clear and understand your assertion :)
The Cororner said it was A yellow Substance, could have been Pineapple, but could have been corn or another yellow substance she had eaten! Her Brother was said to have a bowl of Pineapple, no surprise there! Nothing wrong with grabbing the nearest clothes as she was going to change later and less clothes to dirty before she left! Red flags were when The Police refused to even look elsewhere, told them they were the only ones being looked at! That is why they were told to get A Lawyer right away!
I think whatever transpired in that house (& I'm afraid the ransom note alone restricts it to the household), then morally it's about time John spoke up. He's very elderly, he had his go at a second life but he is leaving his son with a toxic legacy. And that applies whichever family member did what, including said son. The neglect continued after Jon Benet's death in many ways - they continued not to act in the best interests of their remaining child.
Of course he will. But we can make the observation. There is very, very specialist counselling and support for children who have conducted a violent or sexual crime. It's not something people can get through looking through yellow pages and would by definition require acknowledging what had happened even to get access to it. If another child was party to what happened to Jon Benet, then they were denied access to what they needed by this farce. If it was not another child who caused it, then they are cursed to live under suspicion long after the deaths of both parents. It's shameful either way. No wonder his affect is a little damaged.
@@edgarsnake2857 - no God does not stop the evil doings of man - we are free to do what we will - but I know He was there for that baby at the end of the evil
First red flag is the phone call from patsy. John said he was asleep but we hear his voice after patsy thinks the call ended. She goes from hysterical to asking john "What do we do now?" At minimum the Ramsey's story has been inconsistent and their behaviors were not typical of parents who did have their kid kidnapped or murdered.
@@nottthereyet4872 You guys do realize that people have sacrificed their own beloved for good crop yields, rain, wealth, etc since the beginning of mankind, yes?
They didn't. They did. They came and got her by stealth or demand and took her and did it. P&J weren't given a choice. You don't get where John did on talent. There are prices. They wouldn't dare talk
@18:24 there is zero possibility if you think your daughter has actually been kidnapped and you find a window open that you are going to go ahead and touch it and shut it and if she did get kidnapped what in the hell are you doing back in the basement looking for her instead of roaming the neighborhood asking if someone had seen her get taken
THIS WAS WHAT HAPPENED, JONBENET GRAB THE PINEAPPLE, BURKE ANGER HIT HER IN THE HEAD WITH A FLASHLIGHT BUT DIDN'T KILL HER, THE PARENTS TO COVER UP BURKE JOHN KILLS HIS DAUGHTER PATSY WRITES THE NOTE PAY GOOD MONEY TO THE LAWYERS AND THAT'S WHY THE FATHER WHO IS A MURDERER HAS BEEN SAVED ALL THIS TIME, THOSE PEOPLE WERE MILLIONAIRES AND THE MURDERER NEVER APPEARED ???? WELL OF COURSE THE ONLY MURDERER IS JOHN RAMSEY AND HE IS CALM AND RELAXED HE IS NEVER SAD YOU BUNCH OF IDIOTS LOOK WELL AT JOHN RAMSEY MURDERER
I grew up in Boulder, and raised my kids in nearby Broomfield. Yep, you can have a window open downstairs and not notice it upstairs. My brother opened his window to smoke..nobody noticed. My son opened his window to keep his computer cool, we didn't notice. Colorado isn't that cold until you get up into the mountains.
Meh. Idk about that. I have ac in my room and if I keep that door shut the rest of my literally very small house is hot as shit. The bedroom is freezing cold though. And they had a big house with heat and the basement closed.
@@FourtyTwoSouth not at all , its to hide facts , not fear or nothing any sensible educated person knows in the world, when there is death but homicide, nobody is to touch the corpses, only the forensic policing aloud to determine the death and to look for evidence
I think the brother probably did it, maybe had a fit of rage over the pineapple or something.. killed her because of the rage or maybe an accident. and then the father was trying to cover it up making it look like an intruder with Patsy writing the note... from their behavior the next day, this theory makes the most sense.
Except that the autopsy doesn't seem to say that JB ate pineapple at all. It's a very vague mention that whatever the substance is it "might represent pineapple".
THIS WAS WHAT HAPPENED, JONBENET GRAB THE PINEAPPLE, BURKE ANGER HIT HER IN THE HEAD WITH A FLASHLIGHT BUT DIDN'T KILL HER, THE PARENTS TO COVER UP BURKE JOHN KILLS HIS DAUGHTER PATSY WRITES THE NOTE PAY GOOD MONEY TO THE LAWYERS AND THAT'S WHY THE FATHER WHO IS A MURDERER HAS BEEN SAVED ALL THIS TIME, THOSE PEOPLE WERE MILLIONAIRES AND THE MURDERER NEVER APPEARED ???? WELL OF COURSE THE ONLY MURDERER IS JOHN RAMSEY AND HE IS CALM AND RELAXED HE IS NEVER SAD YOU BUNCH OF IDIOTS LOOK WELL AT JOHN RAMSEY MURDERER
I never understood this theory and was never a big fan of it. I think she was being abused as was evident that she was being chronically abused. She was either going to tell someone amnd was killed to keep her quiet or this was an accident and staged to look like a kidnapping gone wrong. Based on evidence, I think it was most likely one or both of the parents did it and covered it up or even a close family friend.Or another family member. I always wondered about johns son. Where was he?
@@OUTTA-TYME88 That bastard John Ramsey is a murderer, Patsy is very bad and it's good that she's dead because if she were alive Burke would never have given her an interview, go back in time and ANALYSE the videos, look at the parents calm and relaxed, of course they paid good money and that's why John dried up saved, they have all the evidence in front of their noses and they still want to ignore everything, that old bastard should be in jail for being a murderer.😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
@@atroy3800 When my brother died abruptly, violently, at a young age, my parents and I were all surprised by how we reacted to it. He was my only sibling, and one minute my mom would want to see me, the next minute she'd want to be alone...my dad was so standoffish he withdrew completely into himself for several weeks. Shock and grief are different for everybody.
Here's a dark theory ,as to the motive: Maybe John was abusing her(S) and Patsey saw this and reacted. So they covered for each other because they both committed a crime. Maybe they had a loveless marriage? It happens all the time, people stay together for reasons like the children.
Doesn't anyone find it "odd" that the "Victory! S.B.T.C" folks have never performed another kidnapping since 1996? Did they retire from the kidnapping business? Failed start-up? 🤔
S.B.T.C. was also used by the Zodiac killer. Could have been copycat style. The whole rambling letter appeared fantastical intended to instill fear rather than a genuine kidnapping note. What a nightmare for the Ramseys.
@johnbetamillerIt was John's sicko buddies that took her and they knew it. Nobody gets where John did on talent. There are prices. They feared them more than the cops and rightly so. Remember when Patsy was heard on the phone saying, "Why would they do this"?
@johnbetamilleryes you are correct 911 was inside job. Even family of victims of wtc hired outside people to investigate. How convenient every camera on businesses street corners of untouch buildings were missing. I think the dad was messing with the kids. Patsy covered up due to embarrassment but was also aware what was going on even months before crime. Burke knows but won’t ever talk. After all he was abused to as both kids signs of SA and the fact most kids afraid of abusive parent would be told stay in bed alone when an “intruder” supposedly in the home. Nothing but lies from Ramseys.
No. Not at all. Lmfao. IT WASN'T A KIDNAPPING. There seems to be this silly assumption that either it was a legit note from a real foreign fiction who botched a kidnapping OR it was the parents. Those aren't the only two possibilities here. It was a fake note, clearly. This wasn't a kidnapping, it is a distraction. Staging. The note isn't real. But that doesn't mean the parents wrote it.
I’ve said straight from the first day that dad did it. I lost my only daughter due to injuries she had a birth. She was 3yrs old. When he was carrying her coffin, he looked like he was trying to hide a smile. I accidentally turned around while walking out of the funeral home and my baby girls casket was being carried by family. I bawled. I never smiled during or after her funeral. He didn’t cry. I cry to this day and it was 31yrs ago. At no time can I talk about her without tearing up. I think he did it and because he’s so rich, they hid it from everyone. Made it go away so to speak. Rest easy baby girl. Somehow some way he will get caught. 🤞🤞🤞
I first noticed it when I saw him and Patsy doing a CNN interview New Year’s Day after it happened a few days before. I thought why is the father smiling?
@larendaroberts8846 He often seems to wear a mask like face, hard to find the real John behind that, and to me, its even worse now. He seems benign and calm always which find disturbing.
What's interesting also about the grand jury indictment is that normally if the CJS is concerned about allegations or potential criminal charges of that nature then normally CPS would be alerted to do a thorough assessment of the safety of any surviving siblings. And the serious nature of these potential charges would be a strong case for removal of said child. So what happened with those aspects - or did the DA also fail to notify CPS of the indictments, as well as failing to tell everyone else?
This case was so badly botched. Why on earth would any police officer, detective, whoever, allow someone else to check the house? It is a crime scene! Also, didn’t that thought cross John’s mind as he closed the open window? Things just don’t add up in this case and I’m afraid they never will
Boulder cops were not capable of handling that case. Their main activity was harassing teenagers for hanging out in the McDonalds parking lot. There wasn't much real crime in that town back then. They should have brought in more experienced detectives, like Lou Smit from Colorado Springs. Or they could have called people in Denver.
The house was supposed to of been already searched by cops at that points when ardnt told Jon to go check the house. She was telling them to check the house to keep them busy as she was scared for her life trying to control the amount of people while there alone no back up.
They ALL were in different rooms. Patsy Burke and John…at a time when they all should have wanted to be close to each other!! And then Burke drawing the picture of the family without JonBenet… no pic of her with wings flying to heaven or in a casket in a grave nothing!! Just poof no more JonBenet. These ppl are weird!!
@@cottonstarcrimescene Do you think The Ramseys were planning at some point to do a McCann? I know one preceded the other but I’m just curious what you think…🤔
@@mattprince9204No. No chance. They didn’t share the same need as McCann. The Ramseys need was a “proper burial” dressed in her pageant gown for the world to see.
& what's troubling but enlightening about John's absurd denial of knowing about the indictments is how easily lying comes to him, with that genial, hail fellow well met, smile. If he didn't know, it would require such massive failures of the court system, the DA office (well maybe that one's believable!) and the whole of their own expensive legal team, that it is not credible. These weren't parking offences. It's just not possible.
Okay can someone explain to me how if your child is supposed to be kidnapped the note was left that there would be a ransom call and the first thing Ramsey does is run to the basement and finds her who would think that she would still be in the house and then he brings her upstairs yet the crime scene photos show her downstairs in the basement can someone make that make sense or were those also mimics crime scene photos like in Delphi
Wow you nailed it! How is there photos of her on the basement floor but like we know he carried her upstairs when he found her! Just a little oversight by WHO!!!???? Let’s request an explanation of this!! They were billionaires whose going to go against them?!!
@@tlv1399 not that I remember. Again how did you wind up with crime scene photos in the basement if he brought her upstairs. I also distinctly remember her saying how uncomfortable Mr Ramsey made her feel
Maybe each one or the other felt the other was responsible . Did everyone see John's deep swallow when he was asked that question about the Grand Jury. Watch it again. Very telling.
for people who were so well off that house looked like a shithole inside. look at that bedding. its filthy. the outside of the house looks quite nice. there was some weird shit going on with that whole family.
@@ruthcarter1360 yep.its just strange how everything was "perfect" in the public eye.i know that in the bigger picture it does not mean too much but to me it shows that alot was being hidden.
None of this mystery murder would be insolved if police would let other agencies help them like better DNA testing in better labs. Police don't want it solved because they screwed up solving case so bad.
The bar for returning an indictment is so low. Remember it’s only the government speaking to the grand jury, only the government calls witnesses to speak to the grand jury. This is why that NY judge famously said “you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich”
@@paulthecpa2717 the bar might be low but it’s not that low. Many times juries have refused to return an indictment, the low bar for just returning an indictment is not exactly a ringing endorsement for their innocence.
I'm always drawn to your analysis on this case. You never disappoint. Your narrative and the way you intertwined the pictures and the statements from the interviews is outstanding. I didn't want it to end. As always,very compelling and gripping.
I still cannot see how the "tomorrow" in the note could possibly mean that same morning, since it is obviously meant to be found ithat morning. "Tomorrow" should mean the next morning.
@@ibdalia69 Well the person who finds it is going to find it in the morning, so when they read it, "tomorrow" would logically mean the next day to them. So why would they expect the call in just a couple of hours?
You have to question why on earth the parents have not done anything except the same things over and over again to try and discover who did this. Because doing the same thing will result in the same results and that works for them.
I think the location where JB was found is a tick in the RDI column. I can imagine Patsy wanting to keep the potentially messy body off the nice carpet. An intruder would not have cared about the carpet.
I feel like the perpetrators were found almost immediately we all know the parents did it. Or it was Burke and the parents were covering it up. What we don’t know the real question is why ? If Burke did it they may have just been afraid of losing two kids instead of one and they would also have been afraid of their reputation being damaged. However if they did it what was the reason ?
THIS WAS WHAT HAPPENED, JONBENET GRAB THE PINEAPPLE, BURKE ANGER HIT HER IN THE HEAD WITH A FLASHLIGHT BUT DIDN'T KILL HER, THE PARENTS TO COVER UP BURKE JOHN KILLS HIS DAUGHTER PATSY WRITES THE NOTE PAY GOOD MONEY TO THE LAWYERS AND THAT'S WHY THE FATHER WHO IS A MURDERER HAS BEEN SAVED ALL THIS TIME, THOSE PEOPLE WERE MILLIONAIRES AND THE MURDERER NEVER APPEARED ???? WELL OF COURSE THE ONLY MURDERER IS JOHN RAMSEY AND HE IS CALM AND RELAXED HE IS NEVER SAD YOU BUNCH OF IDIOTS LOOK WELL AT JOHN RAMSEY MURDERER
I think if Burke didnt do it, patsy caught John doing something to Jon Benet, she flipped out, killed her, so now they've both committed a crime, neither wants their lovely lives ruined, so they made up thus elaborate story. I don't know, I've always had a feeling Burke did it out if rage if I'm honest.
@@stephanielloyd4053 if patsy caught Jon doing something she would have been angry with him and possibly leave him no reason to harm the little girl. Besides that Jon and patsy always stayed by each others side in the interviews it’s clear they are protecting each other so I think Jon doing something to her is very unlikely I’m leaning more towards Burke. If it was only patsy who did it or only Jon the other wouldn’t be so willing to go along with the cover up they must have been trying to protect Burke nothing else makes sense.
@@jf2849 like I said, I've always thought Burke did it, but I often think about it and that's just an alternative theory, I know it doesn't make sense, just thinking out loud!
My opinion is that Patsy accidentally killed JonBenet by hitting her with the flashlight on her head. And the husband helped cover it up. One piece of evidence that the prosecutors used is that, an exacto knife was used in the scene that had been hidden in an upstairs closet, that only Patsy and the maid knew about.
A difference in Personalities would be the reason, My hubby and I were with different family Members when we lost A Grandson to SIDS! He, my Hubby, was with the guys talking, I was with my Daughters! We were all on her Bed crying and talking! It makes no Sense that they would hurt this child then leave her body in their House, if they were claiming A Kidnapping!
Dear God - let this man have peace & resolve for his daughter, for the family, for himself - before he dies. Nobody should suffer this much cruelty & pain from media & boulder pd who think they know what they’re talking about. “You can’t know another man’s shoes unless you walk around in them!” Clueless, oblivious? Yes, probably. seeing things as they are ? Yep. Never having to ever think this would happen ever so you don’t even think about pedophiles in the vicinity, you also don’t think of anything else except - you cannot keep your family safe enough -& your baby has been taken & you can’t think of anything else. You just do things to move around & be worried, not think it’s done all wrong! I know it seems strange & crazy how they acted or what they did - but they’ve never had to - they were in the level of everything going how they wished - so certain decisions & actions - are interpreted negatively. I mean - how do ya know that being In separate rooms on an any occasion close to this - isn’t their norm? You DONT know. You don’t. Just because it’s not average -or not how plenty of people wouldn’t be - doesn’t mean they killed their daughter or are helping cover up something! One thing I know - “in Adversity- let your people show you how they really feel - instead of going by faith or trust - that you DIDNT DO A DAMN THING against the law”. - people will turn on you - especially when you are normally out of the ordinary how you do things. - think of the lesson in this - if this is true. (Which it is). But think on that. NOW - how much of an expert are you & how good you feel judging this man? (Speak not of thou which you do not know.). Why everybody so judgemental & mfluemced by storytellers & naysayers? “Being bad is easy - but being good is difficult.”. Ask yourself WHY? And then ask this - who was the secret Christmas surprise that was going to come visit her - that she told everyone about?? - the parents & friends didn’t know who - etc had no idea whom- never did know! but I bet the person who talked to her somewhere - somehow - actually showed up! Yep - I’m positive this is who it was. I’d bet my life on it! Thanks for reading.
It is curious how no creator wants to discuss the secret visit from Santa. Information received from a neutral party. I guess it detracts from the popular RDI.
Well I care how many books you’ve written and read them - critical thinking at its finest - and the questions you ask us are like my university classes - I could do as many of these as you are comfortable with ❤
It's interesting that John is supposed to be so smart and manages a billion dollar company that he doesn't know what the word accessory means? Really? Even an uneducated person would know what that word means. He seems to play dumb a lot.
The ONLY answer I can come up with (after following from the beginning. The case, not TCRS.😉).. is that her brother attacked JonBenet , accidentally killd her, and the parents wanted to cover it up. Or perhaps John or Patsy had too much to drink and “over-punished” JonBenet. It was NOT a very well-thought out crime or cover-up. I don’t think it was pre-mediated
I know you're aware of this one, but I can't thank you enough for bringing it to light. Because John Ramsay is so lying. Right on national TV Bravo, Nick. And starts 2 laugh hes horrible You might have gotten away with it in this life.But not in the next because God sees everything Important to note a child cannot be implicated or prosecuted for any crime in the state of Colorado under the age of 10 Burke was 9.
The woman in law enforcement officer was unprofessional and didn't let actual physical evidence outweigh her"Personal Gut feeling" . This was the problem with this case from the get go. Personal feelings , leaked "bad information" , and just poor handling from get go . I always felt like Patsy Ramsey would have given a death bed confession to someone had she really had anything to do with it . People have a tough time believing that some Child killer can walk into a house and murder , and walk away and never get caught, but it happens everyday in America. All the weird rope stuff and unknown DNA has to point to someone other than. a family member . Nobody , is going to do all that to cover up for their son ? If she was killed by Burke in an accident , the parents would have just said it was an accident like any reasonable person would .
Go see if you can talk with Linn Wood @ his new'ish digs in Tomotley - a South Carolina plantation....he knows exactly what occurred. He spent most of his career as an attorney in Georgia....as John's lawyer??
The kitchen is the social focus of most homes, but especially modern mansion-style homes designed for entertaining. .... So no, it's not strange _at all._
I also don’t find it odd at all that they would be in different rooms of this GIGANTIC house. They’re probably used to having their own comfort zones within it. This analysis is trash.
@@missyyy-Thank you! It makes no sense to draw such inferences from two parents trying to figure out what has happened to their child. Because the Dad is pacing around looking for any clues while waiting for LE to DO THEIR JOB?? No wonder this case has never been solved. TC community seeks only sensation and not sound solutions.
My informed opinion is that PR was the Coercive Controller in the household dynamic from day 1 of the marriage. Of course, other dynamics at play. (@TCRS has it thoroughly sussed-out much better than I of course!)
Oh that answer he gave oh really people think we helped somebody do this no way😅 and what in the hell was up with him in the flight with his friend that seems so suspicious to me and the garbage bags why because the suitcase was put down stairs stage I think that she was in that suitcase and then it got pulled out which is why there were still sheets in it. I think they had her in the crawl space
I find it rather odd that a "millionaire" had to have the bank to raise his credit card limit to even get the ransom money. Did John actually receive a bonus re end of 1996? Was there a life insurance policy? A ransom/kidnapping policy? Was money actually part of the motive ....
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Read The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie Patsys favorite books. There are so many similarities between that book and Jonbenets death. Its far too many to be coincidental. Which i dont believe in them BTW
@@wisdomsleuth77777 I think it was strangulation with that rope. The autopsy showed little bleeding from the head blow because the poor girl was likely already dead. I believe the blow to her head was one of many red herrings
Everyone knows this child was a sacrifice and who did it. One is dead and the other will never be charged. He later dated another "Sacrificer", who will never face justice ...on this earth anyway.
What had me instantly suspect the family was that jonbenet was still in the home. I feel like an abducter would grab and go not sexually assault her in the home unless it was a family member or trusted friend of the family that wouldn't have to break like an intruder.
A lot of strange things about that case. However, I grew up about a mile from that house, and I hated walking home from school on that route because of the sketchy people. Lots of drug abuse, it was an area between the CU campus and a park in the foothills where a lot of drifters hung out. Creepy area, (at least from my point of view, it was.) Also, since Boulder's a small city, the Boulder cops had almost no experience with this type of crime. They completely bungled the scene. And finally, there was a detective from another area who detailed a number of clues pointing to an intruder, but the Boulder police wouldn't enlist much outside help, even though they were clearly incapable of handling this.
Never said that she wrote this. Just that it was. Close to her writing. That poor mother was devastated. Persecued the rest of her .life and died of cancer.
@courtneyking69 Cute. I see you hold no bias against the Ramseys. 😉 Either way, this was a report from handwriting "experts brought in from both sides . . . . Both said there were similarities but not enough to definitively confirm who wrote it." All were based on the 1 - 5 scale. Patsy scored 4.2 - 4.5 with 1 being an exact match. Gary Merriman's ( Access Graphics ) handwriting analysis scored much closer to an exact match than Patsy.
Why did John touch/close the broken basement window? That is tampering with a potential crime scene escape route. And the fact he mentioned he had been in the basement earlier that morning, did he mention why?
John knew what happened and didn't want to be near Patsy... i believe he helped cover it up...still heartbreaking....he needs to tell the truth while he still can...
I think it happened the day or 2 before they are saying , which is why the conflicting time they both remember tucking her in bed. In interviews John clearly be like what day? Bc they get the day it happens conflicted with the day they called police.
They reportedly ran a gauntlet of visits with xmas parties at friends houses. Did one of those "friends" take liberties but Patsy/John were compelled to run cover for them for some reason? Perhaps a tit for tat that went bad; e.g., some knowledge of sa they engaged in previously. Sort of an Epstein cult like club but worse.
Mindshock has a video today that's very informative. It's very detailed about neighbors, parties, a guy catching a bus from Canada , other aspects that do say more for who else said things going on that weren't public knowledge advertising.
This is another Mccanns scenario. The Ramseys and Mccanns have a similar scenario, except....Maddie McCann was never found. Both were thought to be a kidnapping, and both were most likely an accident. That broken basement window should have been fixed the same day it was broken. Wasn't their utility bill high because heat was escaping? Didn't they think the basement was unusually cold, especially because it was winter.
@@JessaLynn8 why was she killed the way she was, why was it so covered up to make it look like a kidnap? Could it be filming was going on, not by John directly, but he was well aware and knew the filter or group involved. It all went terribly wrong, with Jonbenet either dropped or her head striking a hard object.
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John has an attitude of "I'm the smartest person in the room"! That's the vibe I always get from his interviews.
Yeah, he doesn’t know what an accessory is??
He probably was. I always liked John Ramsey. He did very well with his first family and first wife. Great businessman. I can’t imagine him being a pedo or hurting JonBenet. But I can definitely see him covering up a family embarrassment. Or protecting his son, wife & name.
Huh. Never received that "vibe" from John.
@@lisasmith7066 He did well with his first family and wife? The wife that divorced him? The daughter that died in a car accident? You call that "doing well"? Oddly placed comment.
@@nottthereyet4872 I do, and a sneaky vibe. He plays stupid when it serves him.
Regardless the crime, I find disturbing looking at her pictures. Like she was groomed. These contests for little girls are disgusting.
Completely agree
Well, that’s an entire story in itself 💔
@johnbetamillershe was not penetrated by a male penis. Hee hyman was torn, by a digit, or at one time at least by the paint brush. No where does it say that she had intercorse. No where!
Patsy was in pageants also. It's not unusual if you grew up in that life.
I agreed. Its s*xualizing little girls. Its sick.
Im a Boulder native.. John Ramsey was the biggest campaign contributor to Boulder DA Alex Hunter
Interesting no one else has mentioned that. At least I’ve not seen it. I believe you, it’s just weird no one else looked into it.
Wasn't John running for Senate during that time as well?
@@iamthatiam1618NO. Not during that time.
Amazing
I saw a murder case on TV a few yrs ago that said D A Alex Hunter had taken a bribe and didn't let case go to court !!! I was shocked !!!
My very first red flag was that they sent Burke away. My other child would be tied to my side. The second was that JonBenet was found as far away from the parents bedrooom without putting her outside.
@@kellyjacquin715 My grieving would be too much for my other children. No way should other child be around such sadness 24-7
And coincidentally the very first place John goes in checks because you know she's been kidnapped so she must still be in the house😅
I don't agree. He could have been a distraction to the investigators depending on his behavior.
@@rmsg7504 yeah that's a stretch
People say there were innocent reasons he was sent away, but it was way it was done, shoved out before he could talk to anyone, John even said as he shoved him out the door " he doesn't know anything". He may well have been a witness
Patsy stating she just glanced over the ransom note has always been strange to me. They have searched the house and can't find their daughter. The only life line she has to her beloved daughter is that ransom note. I would be memorizing every word. Trying to figure out who this is!! Do I recognize the handwriting? The phrases, does it sound like some one I know? For years Patsy denies reading the ransom note. Make this make sense.
Patsy didn't have to read/memorize the multi-page ransom "note"--SHE wrote it!!
Was there not any fingerprints left on the note? It was suspicious because if they'd each read it & passed it back & forth, their prints should've been left all over the pages.
& squatted over it to read it without touching it! Come on...
Look I’m not saying I could comprehend a word ..I’d be so frantic but I’d dang sure be trying to!
@@BalthazarMyrrh70it's almost like BPD did a shitty job😂
I can't speak as a law enforcement officer but I know if it was me and my child I would have searched my entire house repeatedly and that was my first red flag with the parents.
Thrice.
Also wouldn’t you wake up your other child and ask them right away if they saw or heard anything?
Yes and she would be searching for her sister immediately and wouldn't stop until she was found.
@@lisamichelle45 ??
Yes if I woke my other child up and said her sibling was missing she would search until we found her. I'm not sure what I said that confused you. I was answering your question.
Not sure who in the house killed JonBenet, but I’m certain Patsy wrote that extremely long ransom note.
I believe Patsy penned the note but John dictated it.
It is her hand writing for sure. No doubt
How?
@HappyMealBieber actually there is a shit ton of doubt. Lmao. Smh. Tell me what facts, real facts, not your biased uninformed opinions, prove there is no doubt she wrote it.? Patsy actually scored very low on the scale of possibility of having written the note, yet for years lay people claim it was proven she wrote it. That is simply false.
@johnbetamillerthat isn't true whatsoever. You and those like you who so boldly make blatantly false lies and bs claims like this need to be sued. Its a shame you can't be. Lol. WOW! That is absolutely false and contrary to the autopsy and all medical examination of her body. Stop.
John, like OJ Simpson, immediately spent a fortune on tenacious lawyers. And both of them never spent a dime after the murders looking for the real killer.
The Ramseys paid private investigators for years.
@@jackpalance2000 another interesting side note on the OJ case that Furman got fired after that for his misconduct and then he wound up in Coeur d'Alene Idaho and another black glove gets found by the trash can. Militant corruption in my opinion. But the original rumor had been that Ron had known some high up people and went after him and technically we all know how that's usually overlooked by certain officers in certain departments that might be getting kickbacks just saying in my opinion only of course based on relevant history
Law enforcement is appointed the responsibility of proper investigation. Our yearly resident taxpayer dollars contributes toward that service.
❤ that part
He did spend money after the fact. So many people who aren't familiar with the facts of this case spread false information based on who knows what. This isn't true.
I have followed this crime since the beginning.
I have purchased every magazine, read all the books and believe I’ve seen every video.
It’s never came up and I was wondering,… How did so-called intruder or kidnapper know to leave the ransom note on the back staircase that Patsy always came down?
how would somebody know that……Unless …🤔
Very good point. It shows that whoever placed that note there knew Patsy used that staircase every morning. Who, besides the family, would know that? The hired help. That’s who. They may not have even been the killer, but they orchestrated it
A ransom note left on JonBenet’s pillow makes more sense.
@janel.8921 On JB's what?
@@janel.8921assuming her room was close to her mom’s room there was the risk of being seen or heard
@@oneneverlaughsenough Thanks! I forgot to put pillow in the sentence. I have corrected it.
The sad fact about this is that a young girl died, and no one yet has Ben held accountable in courts .
The Rich and Powerful are untouchable is this life; but the next. BOOOMMM!!!!
Great example of police making sure a child killer get away with it.
Yes, it was a cover-up
Thank you.
It sure was covered up! John Ramsey more than likely owned the law enforcement.
Yes, you nailed it!😢😡
My husband and I not only slept in seperate rooms, we were on seperate floors. He refused to use a cpap and his snoring was so loud he woke the kids and I up. You can be happily married and not sleep in the same bed.
@@jeanninejones8350 in some cases I think a happy marriage REQUIRES a separate bedroom, imho..😆
My husband and I slept in separate rooms as we grew older when his snoring was unbelievable and he was up at 4:30 in the morning which was too early for my day to start at that time. The only logical person was Burke who would have done this. His sister was getting all the attention and Patsy was obsessed with her being in those stupid pageants That makes the most sense to me.
Its obvious that the Ramsey's had something to do with their daughters death.
My first red flag was they neither one touched the note on the stairs , to pick it up and read it…
My second and final red flag was when Burke was interviewed , and he said” he knew who did it”…
@@judypylant1570 when
I think he said, " i know what happened".
Yes. I remember that.
Was never on a stair . Patseys bs
The window waa open.
The window wasnt open.
The window was open 1/8th"
The window was wide open.
The window was broken.
The window was fixed last summer.
Makes sense to me 👌🏽
Best analysis of the year for this case. So sick of hearing about that damn window. It’s a red herring.
I still struggle when I see this beautiful child paraded like an adult woman for all the world to see.
Well, you may personally disagree with the practice of child beauty pageants, but its COMMON in the south.
These pageants are supposed to be fun. When I was a kid, I did homecoming pageants for the football teams. I got to dress up in a pretty princess dress, wear makeup, got my hair fixed, then walked the field with the other cheerleaders dressed up and football players from the other teams. It was a fundraising event, so there were other things involved like selling cupcakes, face painting, a grand prize to the team that raised the most, some games that you could play- it was so much fun! I think it's sad how people like to demonize events like this.
Its all fun and games until it isnt. @@StaticKayK-z2c
Agree! It has always turned my stomach
@@StaticKayK-z2c Because parading a little girl around in adult lingerie is NOT the same and IS inappropriate. There are A LOT of inappropriate aspects to these pageants
I personally would’ve checked the entire house immediately to see where someone could’ve gotten inside.
Idk if someone broke in they aren’t coming in to be kind. How would anyone go checking around knowing someone could be armed in the home?
There were many possible points of entry and they already knew that. Some doors were unlocked, windows, specifically the basement window was broken and had been for months at that point.
Also, the whole concept of "well I would've done this" is nonsense. Are you familiar with the phrase Saturday morning quarterback or armchair detective, or backseat driver?😂 It's easy in hindsight or from the outside to think you know what you would do but you don't unless yoire actually in the situation. The entire idea that you would've done something differently is a fallacy, bc you are thinking logically and not with all the stress, emotions, and panic you would be in a serious emergency situation.
Let's do everything the "kidnappers" said not to do or they'll unalive her!
Right??? Bizarre
No doubt the Ramseys were going to try to get the body out of the house and dispose of it. It’s sick beyond belief
Probably not dispose but at least get her out of the house and for the police not to find her anywhere near the house per the fake random note.
If that was the case why not get rid of the body THEN call police? I don't necessarily believe they are innocent, but seems like a poor strategy.
@@rmsg7504 I thought about that too. I don’t know the details of the case well and enough- especially the chronology of the first day - to have an answer for that 🤷♂️
So, why didn’t they do it before calling police? Unless of course one of the two did it and the other was like a deer in the headlights
@rmsg7504 🌹Your point is very good. Perhaps the Ramsays thought they could get away with directing the investigation elsewhere rather than in the house? Then why would John go and retrieve the body? Perhaps he felt concerned about odor coming from decomposition? I don't think John was the good father and husband his facade implied.🌹😮
Aside from Patsy wearing her clothes from the night before, the pineapple in Jonbenet's stomach was on the table with her brothers fingerprints on the bowl. The pad was Patsy's, the pen was Patsy's...Lou threw Occams Razor to the wind...the evidence speaks...
I appreciate your voice on this case. Cheers sir 🍷
Well, we can start with the fact that pineapple is not actually shown to be in JBs GI tract in the autopsy. The statement about pineapple is very vague, by the coroner. There is, as far as I know, no actual evidence that JB ate any pineapple.
@bills6093 Say what now? The autopsy report didn't find pineapple in her stomach? Please share this! :)
@@Socraticstatic44 Read the autopsy, this is all it says about pineapple in the GI tract, a very vague mention: "The yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple." That's pretty weak as far as everyone constantly saying JB ate pineapple. "may represent fragments of pineapple". Or it may not. 50/50.
@bills6093 OK, so you are implying that the statement it may represent pineapple, and the fact that pineapple was present on the island, in a bowl...is still ambiguous in your perspective? It could have been some other "yellow to light green..." substance from some other source than the actual pineapple that was found? Just trying to be clear and understand your assertion :)
The Cororner said it was A yellow Substance, could have been Pineapple, but could have been corn or another yellow substance she had eaten! Her Brother was said to have a bowl of Pineapple, no surprise there! Nothing wrong with grabbing the nearest clothes as she was going to change later and less clothes to dirty before she left! Red flags were when The Police refused to even look elsewhere, told them they were the only ones being looked at! That is why they were told to get A Lawyer right away!
I think whatever transpired in that house (& I'm afraid the ransom note alone restricts it to the household), then morally it's about time John spoke up. He's very elderly, he had his go at a second life but he is leaving his son with a toxic legacy. And that applies whichever family member did what, including said son. The neglect continued after Jon Benet's death in many ways - they continued not to act in the best interests of their remaining child.
He will take his secrets to the grave. Public perception/image was truly important for them.
Of course he will. But we can make the observation. There is very, very specialist counselling and support for children who have conducted a violent or sexual crime. It's not something people can get through looking through yellow pages and would by definition require acknowledging what had happened even to get access to it. If another child was party to what happened to Jon Benet, then they were denied access to what they needed by this farce. If it was not another child who caused it, then they are cursed to live under suspicion long after the deaths of both parents. It's shameful either way. No wonder his affect is a little damaged.
They should be more concerned about Gods perception
@@angelarothbauer8096 Why would God let this happen in the first place? Mysterious ways?
@@edgarsnake2857 - no God does not stop the evil doings of man - we are free to do what we will - but I know He was there for that baby at the end of the evil
How strange that Madeline McCann has never been found and no one has clever been held accountable for little Jon bonets death !!
First red flag is the phone call from patsy. John said he was asleep but we hear his voice after patsy thinks the call ended. She goes from hysterical to asking john "What do we do now?" At minimum the Ramsey's story has been inconsistent and their behaviors were not typical of parents who did have their kid kidnapped or murdered.
Obviously since he was heard in the background. They lie
She said, "Why would they do this"? It was John's sicko buddies and they knew it. You don't get where John did on talent. Eyes Wide Shut
@@nonyabiz550 totally agree with you!
Their black and white flooring speaks volumes 😢 He lost another daughter years prior
Good catch 👁️
Not everyone with a black and white floor is a Mason. Not every Mason has a black and white floor. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Kepi_Kei perhaps not ….but theirs was!
@@Rune789 You know this how?
@@Kepi_Keidon't be slow, we all know it
I remember this Interview clearly he was so lying he soo nervous laugh says he doesn't know what Accessory means she nailed him
U know I'm sharing ty bingo
Exactly!
John and patsy sacrificed jonbenet.
For what?
🤦♀️🤦
@@nottthereyet4872 You guys do realize that people have sacrificed their own beloved for good crop yields, rain, wealth, etc since the beginning of mankind, yes?
They didn't. They did. They came and got her by stealth or demand and took her and did it. P&J weren't given a choice. You don't get where John did on talent. There are prices. They wouldn't dare talk
@@nottthereyet4872Yes, it's over your head. I'm sure you're used to that though 🙁
@18:24 there is zero possibility if you think your daughter has actually been kidnapped and you find a window open that you are going to go ahead and touch it and shut it and if she did get kidnapped what in the hell are you doing back in the basement looking for her instead of roaming the neighborhood asking if someone had seen her get taken
THIS WAS WHAT HAPPENED, JONBENET GRAB THE PINEAPPLE, BURKE ANGER HIT HER IN THE HEAD WITH A FLASHLIGHT BUT DIDN'T KILL HER, THE PARENTS TO COVER UP BURKE JOHN KILLS HIS DAUGHTER PATSY WRITES THE NOTE PAY GOOD MONEY TO THE LAWYERS AND THAT'S WHY THE FATHER WHO IS A MURDERER HAS BEEN SAVED ALL THIS TIME, THOSE PEOPLE WERE MILLIONAIRES AND THE MURDERER NEVER APPEARED ???? WELL OF COURSE THE ONLY MURDERER IS JOHN RAMSEY AND HE IS CALM AND RELAXED HE IS NEVER SAD YOU BUNCH OF IDIOTS LOOK WELL AT JOHN RAMSEY MURDERER
Another good question.
@wisdom. Yes, asking about strange cars or trucks seen in the neighbourhood would seem better.
I wide open basement window in freezing cold Colorado winter is something you cant be in the house, even upstairs, and not know!!!!
I grew up in Boulder, and raised my kids in nearby Broomfield. Yep, you can have a window open downstairs and not notice it upstairs. My brother opened his window to smoke..nobody noticed. My son opened his window to keep his computer cool, we didn't notice. Colorado isn't that cold until you get up into the mountains.
Meh. Idk about that. I have ac in my room and if I keep that door shut the rest of my literally very small house is hot as shit. The bedroom is freezing cold though. And they had a big house with heat and the basement closed.
Keeps a dead body fresh longer
why did He the father carry the child up th stairs knowing its a homicide
Possibly great grief and shock … Possibly to contaminate a crime scene … doubt we’ll truly ever know. But I’ve always held Lou Smit opinion as valid.
@@FourtyTwoSouth not at all , its to hide facts , not fear or nothing any sensible educated person knows in the world, when there is death but homicide, nobody is to touch the corpses, only the forensic policing aloud to determine the death and to look for evidence
Most people go to aide l think it's a knee jerk reaction
Especially in such a bizarre manner
I think the brother probably did it, maybe had a fit of rage over the pineapple or something.. killed her because of the rage or maybe an accident. and then the father was trying to cover it up making it look like an intruder with Patsy writing the note... from their behavior the next day, this theory makes the most sense.
Except that the autopsy doesn't seem to say that JB ate pineapple at all. It's a very vague mention that whatever the substance is it "might represent pineapple".
THIS WAS WHAT HAPPENED, JONBENET GRAB THE PINEAPPLE, BURKE ANGER HIT HER IN THE HEAD WITH A FLASHLIGHT BUT DIDN'T KILL HER, THE PARENTS TO COVER UP BURKE JOHN KILLS HIS DAUGHTER PATSY WRITES THE NOTE PAY GOOD MONEY TO THE LAWYERS AND THAT'S WHY THE FATHER WHO IS A MURDERER HAS BEEN SAVED ALL THIS TIME, THOSE PEOPLE WERE MILLIONAIRES AND THE MURDERER NEVER APPEARED ???? WELL OF COURSE THE ONLY MURDERER IS JOHN RAMSEY AND HE IS CALM AND RELAXED HE IS NEVER SAD YOU BUNCH OF IDIOTS LOOK WELL AT JOHN RAMSEY MURDERER
🌹Then the next questions would be: What could it have been? Did JonBenet eat anything else that looked like pineapple?🌹
I never understood this theory and was never a big fan of it. I think she was being abused as was evident that she was being chronically abused. She was either going to tell someone amnd was killed to keep her quiet or this was an accident and staged to look like a kidnapping gone wrong. Based on evidence, I think it was most likely one or both of the parents did it and covered it up or even a close family friend.Or another family member. I always wondered about johns son. Where was he?
@@OUTTA-TYME88 That bastard John Ramsey is a murderer, Patsy is very bad and it's good that she's dead because if she were alive Burke would never have given her an interview, go back in time and ANALYSE the videos, look at the parents calm and relaxed, of course they paid good money and that's why John dried up saved, they have all the evidence in front of their noses and they still want to ignore everything, that old bastard should be in jail for being a murderer.😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
A lot of couples don’t share a bedroom .
Would a lot of couples not comfort each other after their daughter has been murdered?
@@atroy3800 When my brother died abruptly, violently, at a young age, my parents and I were all surprised by how we reacted to it. He was my only sibling, and one minute my mom would want to see me, the next minute she'd want to be alone...my dad was so standoffish he withdrew completely into himself for several weeks. Shock and grief are different for everybody.
@@hikingwiththedog6078very true. Death can bring family’s together or tear them apart.
Here's a dark theory ,as to the motive: Maybe John was abusing her(S) and Patsey saw this and reacted. So they covered for each other because they both committed a crime. Maybe they had a loveless marriage? It happens all the time, people stay together for reasons like the children.
Interesting! If they each had dirt on the other, that would make sense.
Kill the duckling that lays the golden egg? Were there signs in autopsy that showed interferance? But there are different ways of being abused.
@@ibdalia69 Well I know truth can be weirder than fiction. Also, rage is not always logical and is often an impulsive act.
@@ibdalia69 Yes, I believe didn't the autopsy say she'd been SA'd, with a paintbrush possibly?
@@stephanielloyd4053 OOh Noo, soeone might have thought sh'd be better off dead???
Why in the world did the police not search that house when they got there?
Doesn't anyone find it "odd" that the "Victory! S.B.T.C" folks have never performed another kidnapping since 1996? Did they retire from the kidnapping business? Failed start-up? 🤔
S.B.T.C. was also used by the Zodiac killer. Could have been copycat style. The whole rambling letter appeared fantastical intended to instill fear rather than a genuine kidnapping note. What a nightmare for the Ramseys.
@johnbetamiller I completely believe you.
@johnbetamillerIt was John's sicko buddies that took her and they knew it. Nobody gets where John did on talent. There are prices. They feared them more than the cops and rightly so. Remember when Patsy was heard on the phone saying, "Why would they do this"?
@johnbetamilleryes you are correct 911 was inside job. Even family of victims of wtc hired outside people to investigate. How convenient every camera on businesses street corners of untouch buildings were missing. I think the dad was messing with the kids. Patsy covered up due to embarrassment but was also aware what was going on even months before crime. Burke knows but won’t ever talk. After all he was abused to as both kids signs of SA and the fact most kids afraid of abusive parent would be told stay in bed alone when an “intruder” supposedly in the home. Nothing but lies from Ramseys.
No. Not at all. Lmfao. IT WASN'T A KIDNAPPING. There seems to be this silly assumption that either it was a legit note from a real foreign fiction who botched a kidnapping OR it was the parents. Those aren't the only two possibilities here. It was a fake note, clearly. This wasn't a kidnapping, it is a distraction. Staging. The note isn't real. But that doesn't mean the parents wrote it.
I’ve said straight from the first day that dad did it. I lost my only daughter due to injuries she had a birth. She was 3yrs old. When he was carrying her coffin, he looked like he was trying to hide a smile. I accidentally turned around while walking out of the funeral home and my baby girls casket was being carried by family. I bawled. I never smiled during or after her funeral. He didn’t cry. I cry to this day and it was 31yrs ago. At no time can I talk about her without tearing up. I think he did it and because he’s so rich, they hid it from everyone. Made it go away so to speak. Rest easy baby girl. Somehow some way he will get caught. 🤞🤞🤞
John Ramsey often exhibits an inappropriate smile.
I first noticed it when I saw him and Patsy doing a CNN interview New Year’s Day after it happened a few days before. I thought why is the father smiling?
@larendaroberts8846 He often seems to wear a mask like face, hard to find the real John behind that, and to me, its even worse now. He seems benign and calm always which find disturbing.
Whatever happened they had to cover it up to protect their image as a very happy wealthy family.
What's interesting also about the grand jury indictment is that normally if the CJS is concerned about allegations or potential criminal charges of that nature then normally CPS would be alerted to do a thorough assessment of the safety of any surviving siblings. And the serious nature of these potential charges would be a strong case for removal of said child. So what happened with those aspects - or did the DA also fail to notify CPS of the indictments, as well as failing to tell everyone else?
This case was so badly botched. Why on earth would any police officer, detective, whoever, allow someone else to check the house? It is a crime scene! Also, didn’t that thought cross John’s mind as he closed the open window?
Things just don’t add up in this case and I’m afraid they never will
Doesn't add up? a Lie.
Boulder cops were not capable of handling that case. Their main activity was harassing teenagers for hanging out in the McDonalds parking lot. There wasn't much real crime in that town back then. They should have brought in more experienced detectives, like Lou Smit from Colorado Springs. Or they could have called people in Denver.
The house was supposed to of been already searched by cops at that points when ardnt told Jon to go check the house. She was telling them to check the house to keep them busy as she was scared for her life trying to control the amount of people while there alone no back up.
Both actors were free to play their parts.
They ALL were in different rooms. Patsy Burke and John…at a time when they all should have wanted to be close to each other!!
And then Burke drawing the picture of the family without JonBenet… no pic of her with wings flying to heaven or in a casket in a grave nothing!! Just poof no more JonBenet. These ppl are weird!!
@@cottonstarcrimescene Do you think The Ramseys were planning at some point to do a McCann? I know one preceded the other but I’m just curious what you think…🤔
@@mattprince9204No. No chance. They didn’t share the same need as McCann. The Ramseys need was a “proper burial” dressed in her pageant gown for the world to see.
@@cottonstarcrimescene Wasn’t their primary need to get away with a crime?
@@mattprince9204 sure. however they had different needs to meet for that to happen.
Excellent.As always mate.Thank you Nick and always justice for JonBenet
Thanks for listening
@@TCRS ty sir 4 all ur hard work and dedication we r all praying 4 justice 4 beautiful Jonbenet
@TCRS ur so welcome it's my pleasure Job so well done Love 2 Timmy And Always God bless u and ur family
@@TCRS ty Nick blessings love 2 Timmy
& what's troubling but enlightening about John's absurd denial of knowing about the indictments is how easily lying comes to him, with that genial, hail fellow well met, smile. If he didn't know, it would require such massive failures of the court system, the DA office (well maybe that one's believable!) and the whole of their own expensive legal team, that it is not credible. These weren't parking offences. It's just not possible.
And his absurd denial of knowing what "accessory" means.
Okay can someone explain to me how if your child is supposed to be kidnapped the note was left that there would be a ransom call and the first thing Ramsey does is run to the basement and finds her who would think that she would still be in the house and then he brings her upstairs yet the crime scene photos show her downstairs in the basement can someone make that make sense or were those also mimics crime scene photos like in Delphi
Good question.
Wow you nailed it! How is there photos of her on the basement floor but like we know he carried her upstairs when he found her! Just a little oversight by WHO!!!???? Let’s request an explanation of this!! They were billionaires whose going to go against them?!!
@@vickyolea4081 probably billionaire Freemasons so yup who is going to challenge it.
The lady cop told mr ramsey to go look through the house! That is why he and fleet white found her.
@@tlv1399 not that I remember. Again how did you wind up with crime scene photos in the basement if he brought her upstairs. I also distinctly remember her saying how uncomfortable Mr Ramsey made her feel
Maybe each one or the other felt the other was responsible . Did everyone see John's deep swallow when he was asked that question about the Grand Jury. Watch it again. Very telling.
I noticed that huge gulp immediately,he looked cornered
Swallowing is an admission of guilt?
@@5p674 In this case yes . This is the first time I have seen media really seriously question John Ramsey. She touched on something.
Doesn't know what accessory means....come on.
for people who were so well off that house looked like a shithole inside. look at that bedding. its filthy. the outside of the house looks quite nice. there was some weird shit going on with that whole family.
And Burke smearing sh_t on everything
My thought exactly…bizarre
And didn’t they have a housekeeper? The one that said JonBenet wet the bed? I was shocked too at the clutter in that house. Kids or not.
Definitely not an organized home... Huge and expensive but something else was at play in that family. Bowl of pineapple on table.
@@ruthcarter1360 yep.its just strange how everything was "perfect" in the public eye.i know that in the bigger picture it does not mean too much but to me it shows that alot was being hidden.
Too many stories from John doesn't add up! Well since Patsy is gone I believe John is the only one who knows what happened to Jonbenet.
This mystery is too macabre to even think about it. It will never be solved.
None of this mystery murder would be insolved if police would let other agencies help them like better DNA testing in better labs. Police don't want it solved because they screwed up solving case so bad.
Yep, exactly.
The bar for returning an indictment is so low. Remember it’s only the government speaking to the grand jury, only the government calls witnesses to speak to the grand jury. This is why that NY judge famously said “you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich”
@@paulthecpa2717 the bar might be low but it’s not that low. Many times juries have refused to return an indictment, the low bar for just returning an indictment is not exactly a ringing endorsement for their innocence.
@@karidennis6154 good point Kari, it’s a nuanced situation. “Not a ringing endorsement for innocence”… well said sir.
I'm always drawn to your analysis on this case. You never disappoint. Your narrative and the way you intertwined the pictures and the statements from the interviews is outstanding. I didn't want it to end. As always,very compelling and gripping.
But sometimes understood like Nick thinks and he doesn't see that people are different.
I still cannot see how the "tomorrow" in the note could possibly mean that same morning, since it is obviously meant to be found ithat morning. "Tomorrow" should mean the next morning.
Written before midnight?
You wouldn’t want to miss that call and it does make sense when the call didn’t come to think it was indeed meant to come the next day
Yes! The note was written BEFORE midnight. While the intruder was in the house waiting for the Ramseys to return home.
@@ibdalia69 Well the person who finds it is going to find it in the morning, so when they read it, "tomorrow" would logically mean the next day to them. So why would they expect the call in just a couple of hours?
You have to question why on earth the parents have not done anything except the same things over and over again to try and discover who did this. Because doing the same thing will result in the same results and that works for them.
I think the location where JB was found is a tick in the RDI column. I can imagine Patsy wanting to keep the potentially messy body off the nice carpet. An intruder would not have cared about the carpet.
The glass on the suitcase tells me that window was broken that night during the staging. He didn’t break that window months before.
I feel like the perpetrators were found almost immediately we all know the parents did it. Or it was Burke and the parents were covering it up. What we don’t know the real question is why ? If Burke did it they may have just been afraid of losing two kids instead of one and they would also have been afraid of their reputation being damaged. However if they did it what was the reason ?
THIS WAS WHAT HAPPENED, JONBENET GRAB THE PINEAPPLE, BURKE ANGER HIT HER IN THE HEAD WITH A FLASHLIGHT BUT DIDN'T KILL HER, THE PARENTS TO COVER UP BURKE JOHN KILLS HIS DAUGHTER PATSY WRITES THE NOTE PAY GOOD MONEY TO THE LAWYERS AND THAT'S WHY THE FATHER WHO IS A MURDERER HAS BEEN SAVED ALL THIS TIME, THOSE PEOPLE WERE MILLIONAIRES AND THE MURDERER NEVER APPEARED ???? WELL OF COURSE THE ONLY MURDERER IS JOHN RAMSEY AND HE IS CALM AND RELAXED HE IS NEVER SAD YOU BUNCH OF IDIOTS LOOK WELL AT JOHN RAMSEY MURDERER
I think if Burke didnt do it, patsy caught John doing something to Jon Benet, she flipped out, killed her, so now they've both committed a crime, neither wants their lovely lives ruined, so they made up thus elaborate story. I don't know, I've always had a feeling Burke did it out if rage if I'm honest.
@@stephanielloyd4053 if patsy caught Jon doing something she would have been angry with him and possibly leave him no reason to harm the little girl. Besides that Jon and patsy always stayed by each others side in the interviews it’s clear they are protecting each other so I think Jon doing something to her is very unlikely I’m leaning more towards Burke. If it was only patsy who did it or only Jon the other wouldn’t be so willing to go along with the cover up they must have been trying to protect Burke nothing else makes sense.
@@jf2849 like I said, I've always thought Burke did it, but I often think about it and that's just an alternative theory, I know it doesn't make sense, just thinking out loud!
My opinion is that Patsy accidentally killed JonBenet by hitting her with the flashlight on her head. And the husband helped cover it up. One piece of evidence that the prosecutors used is that, an exacto knife was used in the scene that had been hidden in an upstairs closet, that only Patsy and the maid knew about.
Because John saw Patsys writting all over that ransom letter!
That is a strange thing- that they were separated and that Patsy cared that the ransom note talked of John being a Southerner?
They both knew she was in the house waiting for a time to say she’s been found.
i think thT the police should have immediately contacted federal pfficers on this case
A difference in Personalities would be the reason, My hubby and I were with different family Members when we lost A Grandson to SIDS! He, my Hubby, was with the guys talking, I was with my Daughters! We were all on her Bed crying and talking! It makes no Sense that they would hurt this child then leave her body in their House, if they were claiming A Kidnapping!
Dear God - let this man have peace & resolve for his daughter, for the family, for himself - before he dies. Nobody should suffer this much cruelty & pain from media & boulder pd who think they know what they’re talking about. “You can’t know another man’s shoes unless you walk around in them!” Clueless, oblivious? Yes, probably. seeing things as they are ? Yep. Never having to ever think this would happen ever so you don’t even think about pedophiles in the vicinity, you also don’t think of anything else except - you cannot keep your family safe enough -& your baby has been taken & you can’t think of anything else. You just do things to move around & be worried, not think it’s done all wrong! I know it seems strange & crazy how they acted or what they did - but they’ve never had to - they were in the level of everything going how they wished - so certain decisions & actions - are interpreted negatively.
I mean - how do ya know that being In separate rooms on an any occasion close to this - isn’t their norm? You DONT know. You don’t. Just because it’s not average -or not how plenty of people wouldn’t be - doesn’t mean they killed their daughter or are helping cover up something! One thing I know - “in Adversity- let your people show you how they really feel - instead of going by faith or trust - that you DIDNT DO A DAMN THING against the law”. - people will turn on you - especially when you are normally out of the ordinary how you do things. - think of the lesson in this - if this is true. (Which it is). But think on that. NOW - how much of an expert are you & how good you feel judging this man?
(Speak not of thou which you do not know.). Why everybody so judgemental & mfluemced by storytellers & naysayers? “Being bad is easy - but being good is difficult.”. Ask yourself WHY? And then ask this - who was the secret Christmas surprise that was going to come visit her - that she told everyone about?? - the parents & friends didn’t know who - etc had no idea whom- never did know! but I bet the person who talked to her somewhere - somehow - actually showed up!
Yep - I’m positive this is who it was. I’d bet my life on it!
Thanks for reading.
It is curious how no creator wants to discuss the secret visit from Santa. Information received from a neutral party. I guess it detracts from the popular RDI.
No dogs were brought in to track the “intruder”?
It was suggested.
We care Nick; those who don't are on the wrong channel!
Your analysis is tops.
the ransom note was too long, too specific. obviously bs
At a glance would you really notice a window being open half a centimetre? That’s an insanely tiny amount.
Well I care how many books you’ve written and read them - critical thinking at its finest - and the questions you ask us are like my university classes - I could do as many of these as you are comfortable with ❤
It's interesting that John is supposed to be so smart and manages a billion dollar company that he doesn't know what the word accessory means? Really? Even an uneducated person would know what that word means. He seems to play dumb a lot.
The ONLY answer I can come up with (after following from the beginning. The case, not TCRS.😉).. is that her brother attacked JonBenet , accidentally killd her, and the parents wanted to cover it up. Or perhaps John or Patsy had too much to drink and “over-punished” JonBenet. It was NOT a very well-thought out crime or cover-up. I don’t think it was pre-mediated
I know you're aware of this one, but I can't thank you enough for bringing it to light. Because John Ramsay is so lying. Right on national TV Bravo, Nick. And starts 2 laugh hes horrible You might have gotten away with it in this life.But not in the next because God sees everything Important to note a child cannot be implicated or prosecuted for any crime in the state of Colorado under the age of 10 Burke was 9.
Will John take a lie detector test. I believe no!
He took one already 🙈
@@wendiethompson3047 Did he pass it?
The woman in law enforcement officer was unprofessional and didn't let actual physical evidence outweigh her"Personal Gut feeling" . This was the problem with this case from the get go. Personal feelings , leaked "bad information" , and just poor handling from get go . I always felt like Patsy Ramsey would have given a death bed confession to someone had she really had anything to do with it . People have a tough time believing that some Child killer can walk into a house and murder , and walk away and never get caught, but it happens everyday in America. All the weird rope stuff and unknown DNA has to point to someone other than. a family member . Nobody , is going to do all that to cover up for their son ? If she was killed by Burke in an accident , the parents would have just said it was an accident like any reasonable person would .
Go see if you can talk with Linn Wood @ his new'ish digs in Tomotley - a South Carolina plantation....he knows exactly what occurred. He spent most of his career as an attorney in Georgia....as John's lawyer??
If a fall from her bicycle caused Jonbenet’s skull fracture, why would there be a need to stage a kidnap?
I live in a separate room than my husband. That a common thing in lasting marriages. Nothing sus about iy.
was someone murdered in your house?
Why would it be strange John is in the kitchen?
Is he hungry?
The kitchen is the social focus of most homes, but especially modern mansion-style homes designed for entertaining. .... So no, it's not strange _at all._
I also don’t find it odd at all that they would be in different rooms of this GIGANTIC house. They’re probably used to having their own comfort zones within it. This analysis is trash.
@@missyyy-Thank you! It makes no sense to draw such inferences from two parents trying to figure out what has happened to their child. Because the Dad is pacing around looking for any clues while waiting for LE to DO THEIR JOB??
No wonder this case has never been solved. TC community seeks only sensation and not sound solutions.
Who goes in the kitchen or who doesn't is not relevant to any part of this case!
My informed opinion is that PR was the Coercive Controller in the household dynamic from day 1 of the marriage. Of course, other dynamics at play. (@TCRS has it thoroughly sussed-out much better than I of course!)
"Methinks thou dost protest too much". He overplays his hand for sure in that video excerpt.
Here for this. And been catching Micah up on your Everest Content🫶🏻💯🤗
Oh that answer he gave oh really people think we helped somebody do this no way😅 and what in the hell was up with him in the flight with his friend that seems so suspicious to me and the garbage bags why because the suitcase was put down stairs stage I think that she was in that suitcase and then it got pulled out which is why there were still sheets in it. I think they had her in the crawl space
Another just brilliant segment and insight into the original case that has haunted me for years.
I thank you for putting this case to bed for me …
I find it rather odd that a "millionaire" had to have the bank to raise his credit card limit to even get the ransom money.
Did John actually receive a bonus re end of 1996?
Was there a life insurance policy? A ransom/kidnapping policy?
Was money actually part of the motive ....
The problem with you writing so many books is that, as a slow reader, I haven't a hope of reading them all... 🤭
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The books are fairly short, easy to read, and give so much more information then you will find anywhere else. Im buying everyone and cant hardly wait until they arrive!
What is the order of the books? @@kellyjacquin715
I would love to hear an audiobook with tcrs reading it with his great voice😊
@@wisdomsleuth77777 I think he does read them somewhere
Read The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie Patsys favorite books. There are so many similarities between that book and Jonbenets death. Its far too many to be coincidental. Which i dont believe in them BTW
So the window that he said he closes the one with the giant suitcase in front of it and he doesn't remember the suitcase😅
@@wisdomsleuth77777 I think it was strangulation with that rope. The autopsy showed little bleeding from the head blow because the poor girl was likely already dead. I believe the blow to her head was one of many red herrings
@@mattprince9204 Exactly
No footprints from the previous vlogg along with this Vlogg makes me sad that the parents were given so MANY concessions
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Everyone knows this child was a sacrifice and who did it. One is dead and the other will never be charged. He later dated another "Sacrificer", who will never face justice ...on this earth anyway.
What had me instantly suspect the family was that jonbenet was still in the home. I feel like an abducter would grab and go not sexually assault her in the home unless it was a family member or trusted friend of the family that wouldn't have to break like an intruder.
A lot of strange things about that case. However, I grew up about a mile from that house, and I hated walking home from school on that route because of the sketchy people. Lots of drug abuse, it was an area between the CU campus and a park in the foothills where a lot of drifters hung out. Creepy area, (at least from my point of view, it was.) Also, since Boulder's a small city, the Boulder cops had almost no experience with this type of crime. They completely bungled the scene. And finally, there was a detective from another area who detailed a number of clues pointing to an intruder, but the Boulder police wouldn't enlist much outside help, even though they were clearly incapable of handling this.
Sadly we will never know... unless he makes a death-bed confession...
And by "he" I mean Burke...
I mean he could confess now. I doubt he could be prosecuted for anything
@Greylobster 🌹Burke or John--I think they both know far more than they've said 🌹
@@roseannes6761 I wonder if Burke could have forgotten what he did. I don't know how likely that is
They have an older son who o one talks about and he had been there on Xmas eve. I think it was him.
Poor Burke was 9. The blow on Jon Benet's head was very severe, a child could not inflict that blow. Leave him alone.
Handwriting analysts have confirmed the ransom letter was written by the mother.
Never said that she wrote this. Just that it was. Close to her writing. That poor mother was devastated. Persecued the rest of her .life and died of cancer.
@@sydneyfairbairn3773 Not confirmed by all analysts.
@@nottthereyet4872 especially the analysts the Ramsey’s donated too😉
@courtneyking69 Cute. I see you hold no bias against the Ramseys. 😉 Either way, this was a report from handwriting "experts brought in from both sides . . . . Both said there were similarities but not enough to definitively confirm who wrote it." All were based on the 1 - 5 scale. Patsy scored 4.2 - 4.5 with 1 being an exact match.
Gary Merriman's ( Access Graphics ) handwriting analysis scored much closer to an exact match than Patsy.
Did the police find fingerprints on the cellar door knob?
They found only the oldest daughter that they said wasn’t in town palm print only. But she came in town the next day , so they claim.
Why did John touch/close the broken basement window? That is tampering with a potential crime scene escape route. And the fact he mentioned he had been in the basement earlier that morning, did he mention why?
I've always felt the parents were totally responsible
John knew what happened and didn't want to be near Patsy... i believe he helped cover it up...still heartbreaking....he needs to tell the truth while he still can...
That window should have been repaired. That discrepancy concerning the window is disconcerting.
I now believe Ramsey knows what really happened, it's Time he comes Clean !😮
So, potentially, at some point that day, the Ramsey’s wanted JonBenet to be found, otherwise things would have become much more complicated for them.
I think it happened the day or 2 before they are saying , which is why the conflicting time they both remember tucking her in bed. In interviews John clearly be like what day? Bc they get the day it happens conflicted with the day they called police.
They reportedly ran a gauntlet of visits with xmas parties at friends houses. Did one of those "friends" take liberties but Patsy/John were compelled to run cover for them for some reason? Perhaps a tit for tat that went bad; e.g., some knowledge of sa they engaged in previously. Sort of an Epstein cult like club but worse.
They were all at a party that night, so that is not possible. You are right though about the putting to bed contradictions.
Mindshock has a video today that's very informative. It's very detailed about neighbors, parties, a guy catching a bus from Canada , other aspects that do say more for who else said things going on that weren't public knowledge advertising.
This is another Mccanns scenario. The Ramseys and Mccanns have a similar scenario, except....Maddie McCann was never found. Both were thought to be a kidnapping, and both were most likely an accident.
That broken basement window should have been fixed the same day it was broken. Wasn't their utility bill high because heat was escaping? Didn't they think the basement was unusually cold, especially because it was winter.
Accident?! She was SA'd, beaten on the head and strangled.
Exactly.
@@JessaLynn8 why was she killed the way she was, why was it so covered up to make it look like a kidnap? Could it be filming was going on, not by John directly, but he was well aware and knew the filter or group involved. It all went terribly wrong, with Jonbenet either dropped or her head striking a hard object.