The only way Malaysia can compete with Singapore to develop the country, is to stop corruption among the ruling parties of Barisan National and UMNO leaders. Some leaders looted public money into their personal own accounts. A classical example of case-studies is the Malaysian 1MDB Scandal.
Probably should start with abolishing the Bumiputera policy. Meritocracy is what will drive the country's progress and growth. If people are born with unfair and systematic advantage, you know for sure the mindset of the people are not going to be a progressive one.
Corruption, bumiputera policy, do not mix races and religion into politics (Malaysia politicians successfully mix all into politics), come out a way to only allow patriots and elites to rule and govt not some motherfckers who only greed for money and power. Then maybe we got a little bit of hope?
Eh shut up la, focusing on this issue, Singapore is obviously at the wrong here at this specific matter, without taking into account of other matters. Why are you making such claims at here even though is true, to bring down Malaysia standard while discussing at a different matter. Seriously hate Singaporean mentality for bringing down neighboring country down, sometimes deserved to be slapped for displaying obnoxious attitude. erhhhh!!! annoying !
Written by a Malaysian Under the 1961 & 1962 water agreements between Malaysia and Singapore, is Singapore unreasonable paying 3 sen for raw water? A typical Malaysian who lived in Malaysia for more than a decade Answered Sat To avoid accusation of biaseness, I would like to emphasise that I am a Malaysian who has stayed in Malaysia for over a decade. But I side with facts and reasoning than solely on emotion basis. Lets get straight into our evaluation: From just looking at the price context, it may seem that the Agreement is unfair to Malaysia, and is advantageous to Singapore. This is because Singapore is entitled to import a very substantial amount of 250M gallons of raw water at a very low price of RM0.03/1000 gallons while Johor is entitled to import only 5M gallons of treated water at RM0.50/1000 gallons. However, we have made an assumption that Singapore has use of all of its 250million gallons entitlement of water imports. As a matter of fact, Singapore has been reducing its reliance on water imports since a decade ago. Hence, the actual import of water is more likely to be about 100million gallons below the entitled water imports ever since 2009 and onwards. On a side note, the question should also have used the current import price of raw water of RM0.10/1000 gallons, not RM0.03/1000 gallons to evaluate the fairness, since the latter price is no longer valid ever since the first Agreement expired. On Singapore’s side, Singapore sell treated water that is 75% subsidised (before subsidy RM2.50/1000gallons) at the price of only RM0.50/1000gallons to Johor, at 16M gallons on top of the 5M gallons that Johor is entitled to import. We have also forgotten to take into account the benefit Johor government reap (on top of Singpapore’s loss), from charging water price on par with the real water treatment cost on Johor citizens for consuming the highly subsidised treated water imported from Singapore. It is an indefensible case. Moreover, we should understand that the then-Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew had also made an offer of RM0.45/1,000 gallons of water to Mahathir in September 2001, but was promptly rejected as Mahathir wasn’t willing to compromise a little on his optimistic price of RM0.60/1,000 gallons back in 2001 and hence the current price remained. Furthermore, we should realise that PUB Singapore has paid for the construction of Linggu Reservoir (1990) in Johor and also the use of Johor land for water catchment, where Singapore draws its imported water from. Hence, it can be said that even the cost of production, capital cost for abstracting raw water itself are entirely paid by Singapore. Besides, Johor also benefits in the long run, from the land usage payment, and the facilities built on Johor land, fully funded by Singapore. Hence, we shouldn’t use the price Johor sells raw water to Melaka or other states (RM0.50/ 1000 gallons) as a template, because this price is factoring in the cost of production and facilities paid by Johor for abstracting raw water from Johor to Melaka. In Singapore’s case, this are all paid by Singapore. To conclude, Singapore has been consistently developing its water sources which includes the NEW water (which exceeds WHO drinking water standards), desalinated seawater, water catchment areas, and has been instilling water responsibility mindset to all Singaporeans. Looking at the current rate of development, sided by the environmental changes, pollution of Johor rivers, and Johor’s unusually high water consumption per capita, I wouldn’t be surprised when the time comes that Johor has to import desalinated seawater from Singapore.
Singapore was part of Malaysia before. The old water agreement must be terminated and new agreement must be made on mutual grounds. For Malaysia the agreement must be like any business agreement. Singapore can make it’s own water or buy as offered from Malaysia or elsewhere, and Johor must be self sufficient in water.
Lol they are already self sustainable. If Malaysia blew up the pipes today they won't have a problem. The Malaysian water is just extra money for them since they treat the raw water and sell it back to Johor
If he truly loved Malaysia like he claims, he would’ve known when to step down and ensure a smooth transition of power. Not this power hungry, irrelevant man who had Malaysia in shambles after his long reign. Even after his “retirement”, the relentless effort to meddle and do the whole charade of trying to re-enter the political limbo. Shameful.
He has run out of tricks and turn to use his old trick. RM will only become < SGD. But really we must thank his former protege Najib who did a great job.
@Andrew Lim then don't get your water from Johor. Get it from somewhere else at 3c per 1000 gallons of water... No country is obligated to provide you with anything if it doesn't benefit them and especially if it costs them more to provide it.
I think Malaysia is being reasonable here. They are not asking for the sky for their water to Singapore, just follow the current market rate. SIngapore is just taking advantage here.
Perhaps, the writer conveniently forget to mention that any adjustment in buying rate also correspond with selling rate as stated in the agreement. Maybe one day in 2061, Malaysia will be in a position to demand an increase.
Err.. Singapore never poor actually.its was also a head state of tanah melayu..the economic rapidly growing.most Malay film production from Singapore.. jalan ampas singapore.south east asia Hollywood
The truth is after Singapore was kicked out of Malaysia in 1965 all the successive Malaysian leaders are in the belief that Singapore will not survive and will crawl back to Malaysia one day. The preoccupation with this wishful thinking has also wasted the time they could have in renegotiating the water pact which has expired a long long time ago. Now that the fortune has turned and Mahatir thinks we should be more understanding to their woes and adversity. The moral of the story don't underestimate Singapore.
Someone reported my previous comment but pls hear me out! I think this is a one-sided argument in misleading people to believe that Singapore is being unreasonable and unfair. Reason being that: 1)Singapore has spent more than 300million on Johor River and its infrastructure (operation cost,.. Etc) 2)Singapore has invest more than 1 billion dallors on water treatment 3) Singapore has supply cheaper treatment water to Malaysia. Around 16 million gallons every day ( if Malaysian request for more, Singapore is willingly to supply more e.g 16million gallons more) ->water treatment are also expensive And also if Malaysia has revised/increase the price of water in 1987, we probably won't spent money on building infrastructure in Johor River or even invest money on water treatment Source :th-cam.com/video/w0ytjMeGKA0/w-d-xo.html Thanks for reading! I really appreciate it :))
Exactly. If doing up the river, it's related infrastructure and water treatment was cheap, you bet Malaysia would have built it eons ago. So Mahathir please stop playing the underdog card. Be honest enough to state all the facts and not cherry pick what to state. This is utterly misleading and utterly distasteful.
Actually , 1. With regard to infrastructure in johor it may be right it may be wrong because I am not sure. But, the infrastructure is ONLY to take RAW WATER, ONLY TO TAKE RAW WATER ONLY TO BE PROCESSED INTO WATER THAT HAS BEEN TREATMENTED. So the right to raw water is still the right of the Malaysian government, so is there anything that can be linked? 2. If your country has spent billions on water treatment, what can we do? we can also make our own water and can raise our own water technology, do you think our government needs your water? Our state government can produce more and cheaper than your country's water 3. We don't need your water, but the agreement that was set during 1926 has been changed that the Malaysian government MUST buy treated water from SG or it is considered in breach of the agreement, we sell 3 sen per gallon, you sell more expensive than the original price even we don't need it, go try search Mahathir debates with Singaporean students at Oxford, from there we can see how your "smart" students at Oxford think, please don't be one side too because you are singapore, the wrong is still wrong.
So entitled. Without the raw water , your cost wont be just these fixed cost. Why not u make something out seawater then? Lol 😂 Johor can treat its own water n cost will be the same. The treated water supplied to Johor is a very very small % of Johor total consumption. It’s just that the deal is signed, they need to commit to that anyway. Nobody in Johor dares to speak out because they need your SGD
Even since before Najib had all the 1MDB scandals, it was quite apparent in several of Lee Kuan Yew's and PAP's quotes that Mahathir was infavourable towards Singapore since its independence. Back when he was first in power, Mahathir knew Malaysia was benefitting tremendously from all the bilateral deals with Singapore. With globalisation peaking in the early 21st century and the SG economy facing unprecedented rapid growth, the benefits of all the priorly made agreements became less one-sided, but sadly for our Tun Dr M, he was no longer Malaysia's policy maker. The only card he has now is the unammended price after 50+ years (the deal was 1962 btw, this old man's memory is waning), but the fact is the agreement is still very fair to both sides. The price at which SG sells treated water to Malaysia has also remained the same. He's just salty he isn't benefitting as much now, like how he has always been salty of Lee Kuan Yew's success
My dude were literally giving away water, we need money too. Just because your smaller doesn't mean you guys are entitled to, i would say "Help" as the water we give you is basically free. What bitter arguments thee has shall not overcome this injustice
Yep. He is still anti-Singapore. He is still jealous of LKY. His only book can’t sell. Malaysia signed a fixed contract. Blame your legal team for its incompetence.
Lol, if Singapore does not want to follow our rules, just terminate the contract, we are the supplier after all. If we do not want to supply, what can they do? Who cares..
don't you realize jb depend on singapore to provide them clean water? also, malaysia government selling treated water to you citizen at the huge profit which singapore subsidize
From what i can see the only reason that Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad keep talking about water issue is........Malaysian do not have the rite and ability to do so.......... frankly the tap is at Malaysian side and Malaysia have so much bigger than Singapore both in size and population.... just do it if you think you are rite.....
Maybe Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad do not want to resolve water issue........if water issue resolve than Malaysian go where to find people to blame for it's own short comings. Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad said it himself when water agreement was 1st sign Malaysian 3 cent = Singapore 3 cent ... now Malaysian 3 cent = Singapore 1 cent, seriously is that any fault of Singapore. You could have sign the agreement in Singapore currency, why didn't you.
The issue is lose-lose for malaysia. Singapore is already self-reliant on water. If we stop buying your water, it will just flow into the sea. Futhermore, Johor is reliant on us for cheap treated water.
yes stop sellingwater to msialetmtretheir own water andstart building more mega desalinationplants to reely less onjoho rivers one of which was just weeks became pollutted wit toxic waste and see how soon msians wil start falling ill or even die!
Malaysia got better water treatment system, yet the water is almost free for all ordinary citizen..it’s not about the facilities or whatever technology u are using because all those are just material items..the high cost in SG is due to multi-layers of management and multi-levels governance after the huge amount went into their ministers’ paycheck!
@brain plumber They don't have the funds, capability and drive to built themselves. Moreover, why should they when they can make a tidy profit buying treated water from Singapore and selling to their own people? Singapore do all the work and spend all the money on the plant and those jonahs across the causeway just buy and sell. And they have the audacity to make so much noise on the 3 sen issue. That's pure profit, just pray to Allah for more rain, that's all. We have to incur cost to sell to the Malaysians at a lost.
Mahathir is right!! How can sell water at a prize fixed in 1920s!! Right now is 2019, prices are increasing and getting expensive. Please be fair Singapore!!
Mahathir is right!! how can the house you bought (with contract)back then, be of the same price right now? FASTER GO AND PAY THE DIFFERENCE TO YOUR GOVERNMENT/LANDLORD NOW. please be fair to your government/Landlord.
@@endeliggnist5066 are u serious?? i am being sarcastic towards the guy that commented on this post. and u came to attack me instead. lolol. but anyway, your response is what exactly what i wanted to tell them. once signed, nothing can be argued if the price is unfair. as for u, be a little open minded. learn how to read between the line. i was using his mentality to argue with him.
No, you cannot raise the price of the water, because it is inherently against the legally binding contract as signed back in 1962, of which states the stipulated price for which Malaysia should charge for her water. As for the imbeciles who believe that 3 sens per thousand gallon is too cheap, consider this. Singapore also permits Johor to draw up to 5 million gallons of *TREATED* water a day, which is exponentially more expensive to produce than raw water. In reality, however, Malaysia has been drawing closer to 16 million, of which Singapore graciously provides. Malaysia, on the other hand, sells raw water to Singapore, which requires little to no resources or effort to obtain. All Malaysia has to do to obtain said water is to wait for precipitation to fill the reservoirs in Johor that was built by, you guessed it-Singapore. In other words, selling this water to Singapore is *free* money.
But srsly la 3 cents per 1000 gallon is just to ridiculous leh. I think what mahathir is saying is right. Also malaysia got a lot of dept ma so if malaysia keep charging 3 cents per 1000 gallon then how. Srsly la it' very logical - malaysian btw.
@@exylim9858 So, should all Singapore's imports be priced higher, just because Singapore is "a rich country?" If I'm penniless, should I be able to buy the newest iPhone at a lower price? Leave the state of the economy out of this.
@@endeliggnist5066 I'm from Malaysia, and Singaporeans always cross the border to get fuel because it's cheaper. Why don't we just raise the price when they cross the border?
If Tun Mahathir have focused his attention on Malaysia and Malaysia only and not anti-Singapore during his tenure, Malaysia would have been an even more prosperous state. Sad to say, he didn't get his priorities right...
@@GG-yv4bg Mahathir obsessions' with Singapore begin when he was a medical student. And to top up his obsession, it was the 90s monetary crisis, when GCT refused to loan him outright in exchange for water security. And like an elephant's brain, he always remember that slight.
@@DidingBaYes according to me because I am Bornean, I know what happening. Mahathir do much damage to Sabah since 1970. Project IC, he give IC to illegal immigrant for gain political party support. Now see what happen at KK, where ever will see illegal immigrant in the city. What you know about oil royalty negotiation back then? And recent this week, government ask Petronas to pay RM53 billion as special dividend. How about Sabah and Sarawak shares? People like you are toxic for Sabah and Sarawak. Bootlicker. Illegal immigrant. Go back where you from.
@@micheal8956 nak maju pergi cakap kat politician Borneo tu. Dah tau tak mendatangkan faedah pergi jugak vote orang sama tiap2 pilihanraya. Pastu menangis kata tak adil dan saksama. Kalau Sabah dan Sarawak keluar Malaysia tapi yang berkuasa orang sama, tak maju jugak la, entah2 sama je menjilat kasut orang Malaya tu macam dulu, atau dok menjilat tapak kasut Indonesia/Singapura pulak
This is the kind of things that could escalate racial hatred and country to country dispute that can has a devastating effect...'HELOOOOOO" Let the government deal with this thorny issues we eat our popcorns sit back and relax and enjoy the show.....Malaysia and Singaporean are buddies regardless of any kind of dispute which any countries will face from time to time.
well malaysia water they hv common rights to fix agreement anytime after 25 years .... its malaysia call wthout the water singapore may nt surivive economy well ... even watet treatment they does business if malaysia sell then only singapore can do treatment... johor mentri besar he gonna shut down water treatment n johor will do own watet cleaning no need singapore... so singapote does nt own the water they buy it everything from malaysia...
Of course you are not anti Singapore, however, you still want to bring water at 3 sens. Do you care to acknowledge that Singapore have been selling at 50sens clean water back to Malaysia at a subsidised rate.
Seems like Malaysian does not understand the meaning of honouring a legal contract or treaty. Be it fair or not fair, it is agreed upon by both parties. Look at the big picture. So what if you get to change the raw water price, it means you do not honour a legal contract and would want to change the consideration once it does not favour you. In future who won't want to do business in or with Malaysia.
I see more Singaporean then Malaysian here. First of all why do you care about country issues(to all debaters) can you just let it slide and solve on its own? If you even make the statement it's rare for them to be read by the government, just let it go
Singaporean here and just gonna lay out some hard truths Singaporeans need to understand that we can really be more gracious especially because our neighbors are not in the best of times. Malaysians also need to acknowledge that Singapore does try to be gracious and unselfish when giving back treated water. (To be fair, tun Dr. Mahathir is just protecting his people's interests so it makes sense that he doesn't really mention the treated water part. ) I personally love both countries and think both sides have some solid points. Lets try to empathize each other and look at the situation more amicably.
The issue is that Mahathir has little credibility when he takes on Singapore. Many issues in the past he confronts Singapore in an emotional and personal way. This does not speak well for a supposedly Senior statesman and a politician who is supposed to be objective and diplomatic! He has a very big ego... So its difficult for him to see his own faults. As long as he is PM, these differences will not go away!
Please be reminded Malaysia Kicked out Singapore. Water security is a form of compensation for the split due to water security. Now that Singapore is more developed and far exceeded Malaysia,. Mahathir is bickering about this. Malaysia have more opportunity and resources to exceed Singapore's potential but have failed to do what the Singaporeans did.
He had the chance to review the price after 25 years in 1987 but he refused to do so because he knew it would be more expensive to clean the water themselves than buying from Singapore at subsidize price while we in Singapore paid 5 level of tariff for water consumption. He hated Singapore very much because some taxi driver mistakenly drove him to servant's quarter while studying in Singapore.
This is mahathir 's last chance to do Singapore in. He will not give up any opportunity to harass Singapore to achieve his own agenda, conscribe and curtail Singapore 's progress and development. He will be disappointed. Singaporean better don't take water and air for granted, before you know it, some crazy politician in Malaysia will claim the sea water around Singapore belongs to Malaysia too!
Don’t understand this Mamak. If he said that the Agreement can be negotiated anytime after 25 years and not by 25 years as adhered by Singapore, why Malaysia didn’t sue Singapore? If what he said is correct, isn’t it a simple legal case?
Continuously delayed the RTS Cancelled the HSR Arbitrarily claim waters near Tuas Caused an airspace dispute Resurface an old issue with water prices A sudden increase in Johor landfill burning/Air pollution Constant antagonism by PM Mahathir _sigh_
almost everything SG government is taking from malaysia, the sea teritory, the airspace, n the pedra branca just to profit their own ministers n their elites similarly they taking away ur tax money, ur healthcare, ur foods, n ur housing!
if you increase water bill, how Malaysian people working and stay in Singapore could afford pay the bill, come on la, even some states of your country don't have a clean water..
The water that I stay is brown colour sometimes. The water pipe break every time. High Cost of electricity? I use electricity The same amount it become more expensive? Scholarship given to the wrong karen narcissistic people then the same person who got the scholarship drop out and complaint their buddy move overseas. The buddy who move overseas get backstab from the person who drop the scholarship and keep complaint about overseas lifestyles. Malaysian people are not goof.
He was and is never anti-$Singapore. He just hopes we can just perish and not be an embarrassment to Malaysia which is corrupt and insignificant to the world.
Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, apart from personally choosing not to review the price of water in 1987 , had a further opportunity to revise the price. In a letter to then Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew, Tun Dr Mahathir offered to sell water to Singapore at a "fair price" of 60 sen per 1,000 gallons, in return for concessions on other elements of an overall package. Responding to the offer in a letter dated April 23, 2001, Mr Lee said that if there was "give and take on both sides, an agreement is possible". It was in this spirit that Mr Lee visited Kuala Lumpur in September 2001. But while negotiations were in progress, the Malaysian government raised the asking price to RM3 per 1,000 gallons, 100 times the existing price of raw water. This demand made it difficult for common ground to be reached, and led to a stalemate in the negotiations. Rather than rummage through history and indulge in the politics of envy, Dr Mahathir should look into the future and see how the issue of water price can be resolved. Until then, Singapore will stand by the terms of the 1962 Water Agreement. Any breach of that agreement would, according to Foreign Minister Vivian Balakrishnan, call into question the Separation Agreement, which is the basis for Singapore's existence as an independent sovereign state.
@@yangerek78 snobbish? kiasu? If I were mahathir, and you lee ,I will raise the price to 10 ringgit, you have no problem to pay I supposed. Do you know the implications this can have for all other signed contract we have with Malaysia?
Mahathir is not so much anti-Singapore as anti- Lee Kuan Yew. I suspect he is extremely though unsaid jealous of Singapore's PM because Lee is much more recognized on the Global stage than Mahathir himself.
Do you believe him? Don't be gullible. One can still be pro-Malaysia without being anti-Singapore or anti-other countries. One can still be pro-Malaysia while seeking win-win collaborative outcomes with other countries, without harping on differences or carrying historical baggage.
Plot twist : Malaysia ain't backstabbing, it's Singapore who's a cheapskate & manipulated the whole situation. Those SG ignorants, why don't they think on their own? Because most of them are idiots & "over-confident" about their country, spoiled brats country & citizens! Fcking selfish humans there.
@@rainforest8893 Manipulated? Lol. I think Dr M the only one going around, one interview after another, spreading propaganda. Yet, among all these propaganda, he never once mentioned that all infrastructures and related expenses are paid by Singapore. You say is unfair, you claim is cheapskate. I wonder who is the real cheapskate.
if the agreement was back in 1926, both were still British Colony. Even 1961, both were still within one Federation. There was no Singapore as a country back then. So, only after Singapore is really separated and became an independent country in 1965 then this really becoming a serious issue.
He is not anti-singapore. He is just jeolous he do not hv the respect Lee Kwan Yew get from the world. They are from same era, and he THOUGHT he is aslo a great statemen and a world class leader.
Whatever it is, you had been given a second chance, instead you go back to your old habit of divisive politics You renigrated your agreement with Anwar. No wonder you were left out of the current arrangement. deserve to be sidelined.
I always address this PM as a cunning old fox and behave like a snake, twist and turn. Now he tried to play with words and phrases used in the terms of the Agreement. 'oh' he said, the agreement didn't said must exactly AT 25 years but AFTER 25 years so didn't lost the right to review. Singapore should tell him 'ok' then we agree only to review price of water when the agreement expire in 2061. That is also AFTER 25 years.
Then u better make sure u are completely self sufficient on water supply by then. Stop talking big but still drinking Malaysian water in Singapore. Dare you stop receiving supply from Malaysia immediately. Shame on you.
Whatever one choose to argue, fact is 3 Sen is ridiculous, exploitative using legal angle. Exactly how Sing government hammer their opposition. Seller is a sovereign country, has the right to ask for fair price.
Hahaha...its incredible after all the achievements, the truth of the matter is the island state still depending on Malaysia handouts for water subsidy for its development n usage. What a shame.
To all those Malaysians Dont scroll down because some people hate Mahathir down there Im also Malaysian and i got offended a little by the singaporeans comments down there
Malaysia sell raw water to Singapore at 3sen/1000gallon. The cost of treating the water is 2.40rm/1000gallon and Singapore sells back treated water to Malaysia for 50sen/1000gallon subsidises 1.90rm/1000gallon. Johor sells treated water to its people at 3.45rm/1000gallon. Who profit most here? ;)
@@Izzddn98 you see why Malaysia is not progressing. Water you guys kow peh kow boo, sky also you guys kow peh kow boo. Dont you know that Malaysia also owned the sky. How to boost your economy when you guys are always finding faults? Time to wake up......
His interest for the longest time has always been his own pocket. He puts the government money into his pocket and magically transferred itself to his son’s pocket.
Javier Tan an agreement can be subjected to further revision. that's what he is trying to do. don't simply comment things you're clearly clueless about. He is a Dr, a prime minister of a country. I can't see you're coming nearer to his achievement.
Roland the Dr., ex pm of a country is clearly clueless about when the agreement was entered into. 1926 and 1962 are clearly not the same. He clearly could not keep track of important contract terms so it is no wonder he might be clueless about the terms of the agreement and over what each party is entitled or not entitled to do. And he clearly forgot he waived the country’s right to agree to a new price with the other party after 25 years into the contract.. But luckily the Malaysian King has been wise 👑
@@jmsc8 so we propose a new price and Singapore proposed a new price as well why we need to accept the prices Singapore proposed which are not worth to our nation ? We need a fair trade agreement not keep asking us to provide you guys almost free water...
Hopefully he will consider giving raw water free of charge to Sing. ...will make his critic a change of mind, begin calling him "pro Singapore" or "anti- Malaysia " later on.......unfortunately, it is an international treaty agreed upon by both government while ago , we can not just change anything in the treaty including the price in whatever way we see fit or in favor of our own interests only, we have to conform to the letter of the agreement accordingly.
@@dens6807 we buy 3sen from you, sell 50 sen of treated water to you. your govt sell you at 1MYR. you think if your govt successfully sells us at 1MYR, you think we won't rase our price to 5MYR and in turn your govt sells you back at 10MYR? who losses? citizens
@@MrLexify how much you sell us back ? Only 2% of the imported water Kay... and we can produce our own water as well. You don’t even have the raw materials to do that and during the 1961 agreement we treat Singapore as one nation that is why we can sell you at such price but after the separation you expect us to keep subsidies foreign countries? Harlo 😁
3 sen for rainwater seems more than just and fair. Especially considering that Singapore sells treated water back to johor at a discounted rate. All you idiots have to do is wait for rain to fill the reservoirs that Singapore built.
Endelig Gnist hello malaysia is a supplier..if SG is not happy with the deal, u can choose not to buy n continuosly consume ur recycled feces water..malaysia didnt force to buy..do u know what the situation right now??
@@terenceng9192 Singapore can always inform Malaysia of her intention to stop buying water. Both parties win. Malaysia to stop selling, Singapore to stop buying. Singapore can always rely on newater, desalination & buying from Indonesia.
1000 gallon = 3 cents. Raw water that cannot be drink or use for cooking. 1000 gallon = 50 cents. Drinking water and can use for cooking. A fraction of the cost of making clean water from raw water. Mahathir never mention this!
So why Malaysia didn’t do it? Malaysia sell us Raw not drinking water!!! Water that cost more than 50sen to manufacture before we sell back to Malaysia. So who is not being gracious!!
Mr. HeavyDebater you are in denial you cannot accept the fact that we sell back at a fraction of what we produce and you are being unreasonable and greedy of wanting more. Anyway the water come from the sky,is free. Your government can don’t sell us and let the water flow into the ocean and left with no water to drink.
1000 gallon for 3 cent. Common la Singapore is rich , i think if it is 1 dollar for 1000 gallon it is too much affordable. Just one dollar per 1000 gallon is okay ma
I'm pretty sure no one in Malaysia's government told you guys about the millions of SG dollars Singapore loses helping Malaysia treat your waters & sells back at a very cheap price, right? Oh, & don't forget, your government then sells treated water to you guys back at HUGE profit. Probably never heard of any of this from your government, right right right?
The mamak ruled Malaysia for 22 years when he was with the BN, with All the resources Malaysia have and he says Malaysia a poor country, where does all the wealth gone
Wilfred Tan Khoon Pheow since when Malaysia a poor country? Malaysia a rich nation,singapore economy monopoly by foreign westerner while singaporean are poor
I don't know why i am here as Indonesian citizen. And i see alots of hate comments between Malaysia and Singapore. I also get offended to scroll down the comments. *So why this appear in my recommendation?*
If your neighbour is rich and lives in a bungalow means he must be charitable enough to share some of the wealth with you ? If in the past you made a bad judgement and sign a bad deal with your neighbour , now your neighbour become rich , means you can don’t honour the deal and try to extort the neighbour ? Instead of doing self reflection on why ur own nation with all the resources are not doing better , you choose to dishonour some of the old contracts ..and blaming ur poverty on other nations .
Mr. HeavyDebater based on what you say, then the rates of all goods and services agreement are based on the economy of the country ? So setting rates or terms and conditions on contracts are not essential anymore because all contracts and agreements should automatically “auto adjust” itself to the economy success at that particular point in time . So when Singapore suffer a recession , can the water price be reduced also ? Firstly , the agreement wasn’t on such terms . Secondly , your Pm choose to decide how he want to interpret the agreement . He is Dr Mahathir , by profession a doctor , whereas Lee Luan Yew is by profession a lawyer . So who makes the better agreement ? Blame who ? Blame the parents didn’t send him to the law school?
@@antitroll98 I cannot joke with you meh.... Why is your prime minister such a bully? When is anwar or azmin taking over? We dont want to discuss or negotiate with him.
Singapore is also Pro-Singapore ~ An Legal Agreement is also an Legal Agreement ~ This Agreement is enshined with our Important Separation Agreement and cannot be change without the Agreement of both Countries.
You're right! Hey, quick question, why can't Malaysia just be rich? Hey, why aren't all humans immortal? Why don't we just not die? *Because that's not how things work.*
@@endeliggnist5066 so, paying for equal value of money for water is also not how things work in Singapore? This developed country can't afford to pay and need to subsidized by Malaysian govt.?
As a Singaporean, I have a clever solution to solve this issue once and for all. Malaysia can stop the water supply to Singapore and Singapore can stop all workers from Malaysia from working here. We can source workers from developing countries. No more squabbling anymore!
Hahahaha then Singapore would collapse in short times... I wonder Singapore labour force will stop or not if all Malaysian are deported back... literally lost 1-2 million work force immediately can the country survive without work force ? Stop the tap lagi kaolat straight no water supply how to survive.. oops NEWATER ? How much can it sustain ? One week ?
@@henrylow2248 my dad always says Malaysia is such a rich country. Imagine Lee Kuan Yew ruled Malaysia back in the days. Malaysia would have been a super power today.
They so cocky will never get another contract from Malaysia for water supply. They better pray they could self sustain with the supply, or else the current jokers are creating a hard life for their children.
It irks me when people don’t understand or realise how precious water is, and they just waste it like it’s no big deal
The only way Malaysia can compete with Singapore to develop the country, is to stop corruption among the ruling parties of Barisan National and UMNO leaders. Some leaders looted public money into their personal own accounts. A classical example of case-studies is the Malaysian 1MDB Scandal.
No it did not begin with 1MDB, it started with Mahathir, I guess it is too late, like a cancer, it has already spread.
Probably should start with abolishing the Bumiputera policy. Meritocracy is what will drive the country's progress and growth. If people are born with unfair and systematic advantage, you know for sure the mindset of the people are not going to be a progressive one.
Corruption, bumiputera policy, do not mix races and religion into politics (Malaysia politicians successfully mix all into politics), come out a way to only allow patriots and elites to rule and govt not some motherfckers who only greed for money and power. Then maybe we got a little bit of hope?
@@skychaos87 im bumiputera and i really agree on this
Eh shut up la, focusing on this issue, Singapore is obviously at the wrong here at this specific matter, without taking into account of other matters. Why are you making such claims at here even though is true, to bring down Malaysia standard while discussing at a different matter. Seriously hate Singaporean mentality for bringing down neighboring country down, sometimes deserved to be slapped for displaying obnoxious attitude. erhhhh!!! annoying !
Written by a Malaysian
Under the 1961 & 1962 water agreements between Malaysia and Singapore, is Singapore unreasonable paying 3 sen for raw water?
A typical Malaysian who lived in Malaysia for more than a decade
Answered Sat
To avoid accusation of biaseness, I would like to emphasise that I am a Malaysian who has stayed in Malaysia for over a decade. But I side with facts and reasoning than solely on emotion basis. Lets get straight into our evaluation:
From just looking at the price context, it may seem that the Agreement is unfair to Malaysia, and is advantageous to Singapore. This is because Singapore is entitled to import a very substantial amount of 250M gallons of raw water at a very low price of RM0.03/1000 gallons while Johor is entitled to import only 5M gallons of treated water at RM0.50/1000 gallons.
However, we have made an assumption that Singapore has use of all of its 250million gallons entitlement of water imports. As a matter of fact, Singapore has been reducing its reliance on water imports since a decade ago. Hence, the actual import of water is more likely to be about 100million gallons below the entitled water imports ever since 2009 and onwards. On a side note, the question should also have used the current import price of raw water of RM0.10/1000 gallons, not RM0.03/1000 gallons to evaluate the fairness, since the latter price is no longer valid ever since the first Agreement expired.
On Singapore’s side, Singapore sell treated water that is 75% subsidised (before subsidy RM2.50/1000gallons) at the price of only RM0.50/1000gallons to Johor, at 16M gallons on top of the 5M gallons that Johor is entitled to import.
We have also forgotten to take into account the benefit Johor government reap (on top of Singpapore’s loss), from charging water price on par with the real water treatment cost on Johor citizens for consuming the highly subsidised treated water imported from Singapore. It is an indefensible case.
Moreover, we should understand that the then-Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew had also made an offer of RM0.45/1,000 gallons of water to Mahathir in September 2001, but was promptly rejected as Mahathir wasn’t willing to compromise a little on his optimistic price of RM0.60/1,000 gallons back in 2001 and hence the current price remained.
Furthermore, we should realise that PUB Singapore has paid for the construction of Linggu Reservoir (1990) in Johor and also the use of Johor land for water catchment, where Singapore draws its imported water from. Hence, it can be said that even the cost of production, capital cost for abstracting raw water itself are entirely paid by Singapore. Besides, Johor also benefits in the long run, from the land usage payment, and the facilities built on Johor land, fully funded by Singapore. Hence, we shouldn’t use the price Johor sells raw water to Melaka or other states (RM0.50/ 1000 gallons) as a template, because this price is factoring in the cost of production and facilities paid by Johor for abstracting raw water from Johor to Melaka. In Singapore’s case, this are all paid by Singapore.
To conclude, Singapore has been consistently developing its water sources which includes the NEW water (which exceeds WHO drinking water standards), desalinated seawater, water catchment areas, and has been instilling water responsibility mindset to all Singaporeans.
Looking at the current rate of development, sided by the environmental changes, pollution of Johor rivers, and Johor’s unusually high water consumption per capita, I wouldn’t be surprised when the time comes that Johor has to import desalinated seawater from Singapore.
Dude. Got the link for that? Interesting.
Thanks bro..im singaporean
Also Malaysian
Singapore was part of Malaysia before. The old water agreement must be terminated and new agreement must be made on mutual grounds. For Malaysia the agreement must be like any business agreement. Singapore can make it’s own water or buy as offered from Malaysia or elsewhere, and Johor must be self sufficient in water.
@@johariendan7696 singapore is fully prepared to go for international arbitration. Why is Malaysia having cold feet ?
Singapore should be self sustainable in its water needs, and Tun Dr. Mahathir is providing that motivation.
Lol they are already self sustainable. If Malaysia blew up the pipes today they won't have a problem. The Malaysian water is just extra money for them since they treat the raw water and sell it back to Johor
Nate Prateep If Johor so decides, they can treat the water themself.
@@natep6729 well say! why not blew up the raw water pipes.
@@natep6729 Oh sure the government would just increase water prices from it's own citizen.
singapore just need to occupied where that water came from much cheaper than sea desalination.
He doesn’t even want to mention the cost of treatment and how much he is selling it back to his own people. Cunning.
we have treatment plants here capable of treating water for ourselves.
Kevin Devastian it’s about honouring contractual agreements and not distorting the true cost of water.
Are you okay man?😂
OK if he sell tap water to us for 3 cents does it seem fair? Countries buy a lot of water why do you think the price is low
@@beavc the true cost of water is 3 cents then?
If he truly loved Malaysia like he claims, he would’ve known when to step down and ensure a smooth transition of power. Not this power hungry, irrelevant man who had Malaysia in shambles after his long reign. Even after his “retirement”, the relentless effort to meddle and do the whole charade of trying to re-enter the political limbo. Shameful.
I hope he will stay on. May the best look after Malaysia.
Same across the causeway, that irrelevant old hack is still there, what a messy world
No, he doesnt hate singapore. He just dump
Will you step down once you are too old to take care of your parents /children?
But no other politician here that has better political mindset other than Mahathir
It's currency is 3 times our ringgit. Although formerly was equal. But did he ask himself why? He was ruling Malaysia for years.
He has run out of tricks and turn to use his old trick. RM will only become < SGD. But really we must thank his former protege Najib who did a great job.
@Andrew Lim then don't get your water from Johor. Get it from somewhere else at 3c per 1000 gallons of water... No country is obligated to provide you with anything if it doesn't benefit them and especially if it costs them more to provide it.
@@firedrapeon6012 Singapore is losing money by sending treated water to Malaysia.
After 40 years, Malaysia is still not great. Why? With a poor leader, how you expect a country to be great.
Any country with higher import value rather than export will earn higher currency, same goes to brunei even if It’s not an industralized country.
I think Malaysia is being reasonable here. They are not asking for the sky for their water to Singapore, just follow the current market rate. SIngapore is just taking advantage here.
Perhaps, the writer conveniently forget to mention that any adjustment in buying rate also correspond with selling rate as stated in the agreement. Maybe one day in 2061, Malaysia will be in a position to demand an increase.
you are precise.
Right now Singapore produces 80% of the water it consumes. Go ahead and cut the water supply and see if we still need to sell treated water to Johor.
Remember when Singapore used to be poorer than Malaysia 😂🤦♂️
Rmb when all food in singapore now wasnt even from singapore?
Lol
$1=Rm3
Err.. Singapore never poor actually.its was also a head state of tanah melayu..the economic rapidly growing.most Malay film production from Singapore.. jalan ampas singapore.south east asia Hollywood
Singapore was already rich when the British rule it for few decades
The truth is after Singapore was kicked out of Malaysia in 1965 all the successive Malaysian leaders are in the belief that Singapore will not survive and will crawl back to Malaysia one day. The preoccupation with this wishful thinking has also wasted the time they could have in renegotiating the water pact which has expired a long long time ago. Now that the fortune has turned and Mahatir thinks we should be more understanding to their woes and adversity. The moral of the story don't underestimate Singapore.
wrong opposrite never underestimate malaysia they can make us suffer too cutting the water we all die
were you alive back then you bonk to assume that, thats right, you werent.
@@ashunknown9728 agreed
Not kicked out , please know the truth .
Someone reported my previous comment but pls hear me out!
I think this is a one-sided argument in misleading people to believe that Singapore is being unreasonable and unfair. Reason being that:
1)Singapore has spent more than 300million on Johor River and its infrastructure (operation cost,.. Etc)
2)Singapore has invest more than 1 billion dallors on water treatment
3) Singapore has supply cheaper treatment water to Malaysia. Around 16 million gallons every day ( if Malaysian request for more, Singapore is willingly to supply more e.g 16million gallons more) ->water treatment are also expensive
And also if Malaysia has revised/increase the price of water in 1987, we probably won't spent money on building infrastructure in Johor River or even invest money on water treatment
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Exactly. If doing up the river, it's related infrastructure and water treatment was cheap, you bet Malaysia would have built it eons ago. So Mahathir please stop playing the underdog card. Be honest enough to state all the facts and not cherry pick what to state. This is utterly misleading and utterly distasteful.
Actually ,
1. With regard to infrastructure in johor it may be right it may be wrong because I am not sure. But, the infrastructure is ONLY to take RAW WATER, ONLY TO TAKE RAW WATER ONLY TO BE PROCESSED INTO WATER THAT HAS BEEN TREATMENTED. So the right to raw water is still the right of the Malaysian government, so is there anything that can be linked?
2. If your country has spent billions on water treatment, what can we do? we can also make our own water and can raise our own water technology, do you think our government needs your water? Our state government can produce more and cheaper than your country's water
3. We don't need your water, but the agreement that was set during 1926 has been changed that the Malaysian government MUST buy treated water from SG or it is considered in breach of the agreement, we sell 3 sen per gallon, you sell more expensive than the original price even we don't need it, go try search Mahathir debates with Singaporean students at Oxford, from there we can see how your "smart" students at Oxford think, please don't be one side too because you are singapore, the wrong is still wrong.
So entitled. Without the raw water , your cost wont be just these fixed cost. Why not u make something out seawater then? Lol 😂
Johor can treat its own water n cost will be the same. The treated water supplied to Johor is a very very small % of Johor total consumption. It’s just that the deal is signed, they need to commit to that anyway. Nobody in Johor dares to speak out because they need your SGD
Even since before Najib had all the 1MDB scandals, it was quite apparent in several of Lee Kuan Yew's and PAP's quotes that Mahathir was infavourable towards Singapore since its independence. Back when he was first in power, Mahathir knew Malaysia was benefitting tremendously from all the bilateral deals with Singapore. With globalisation peaking in the early 21st century and the SG economy facing unprecedented rapid growth, the benefits of all the priorly made agreements became less one-sided, but sadly for our Tun Dr M, he was no longer Malaysia's policy maker.
The only card he has now is the unammended price after 50+ years (the deal was 1962 btw, this old man's memory is waning), but the fact is the agreement is still very fair to both sides. The price at which SG sells treated water to Malaysia has also remained the same. He's just salty he isn't benefitting as much now, like how he has always been salty of Lee Kuan Yew's success
Well said
My dude were literally giving away water, we need money too. Just because your smaller doesn't mean you guys are entitled to, i would say "Help" as the water we give you is basically free. What bitter arguments thee has shall not overcome this injustice
Are you crazy? Selling thousand of gallon nowadays for 3 cent is absurd. Well all singeporean are absurd....
When i said absurd.it means you guys are crazy smart..
In spore, if our MP dont perform, they disappear in the next GE. Malaysia, after 40....50years and you guys still dont learn your lessons.
Yep. He is still anti-Singapore. He is still jealous of LKY. His only book can’t sell. Malaysia signed a fixed contract. Blame your legal team for its incompetence.
Lol, if Singapore does not want to follow our rules, just terminate the contract, we are the supplier after all. If we do not want to supply, what can they do? Who cares..
don't you realize jb depend on singapore to provide them clean water? also, malaysia government selling treated water to you citizen at the huge profit which singapore subsidize
malaysia gets clean water from us, terminate the contract and u can wait to drink rain water
The tap is at your side...just turn it off. Why kept talking abt agreement. Turn it off. Lol
From what i can see the only reason that Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad keep talking about water issue is........Malaysian do not have the rite and ability to do so.......... frankly the tap is at Malaysian side and Malaysia have so much bigger than Singapore both in size and population.... just do it if you think you are rite.....
Maybe Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad do not want to resolve water issue........if water issue resolve than Malaysian go where to find people to blame for it's own short comings. Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad said it himself when water agreement was 1st sign Malaysian 3 cent = Singapore 3 cent ... now Malaysian 3 cent = Singapore 1 cent, seriously is that any fault of Singapore. You could have sign the agreement in Singapore currency, why didn't you.
The issue is lose-lose for malaysia.
Singapore is already self-reliant on water.
If we stop buying your water, it will just flow into the sea.
Futhermore, Johor is reliant on us for cheap treated water.
Let it flow.. simple
yes stop sellingwater to msialetmtretheir own water andstart building more mega desalinationplants to reely less onjoho rivers one of which was just weeks became pollutted wit toxic waste and see how soon msians wil start falling ill or even die!
Malaysia got better water treatment system, yet the water is almost free for all ordinary citizen..it’s not about the facilities or whatever technology u are using because all those are just material items..the high cost in SG is due to multi-layers of management and multi-levels governance after the huge amount went into their ministers’ paycheck!
@brain plumber They don't have the funds, capability and drive to built themselves. Moreover, why should they when they can make a tidy profit buying treated water from Singapore and selling to their own people? Singapore do all the work and spend all the money on the plant and those jonahs across the causeway just buy and sell. And they have the audacity to make so much noise on the 3 sen issue. That's pure profit, just pray to Allah for more rain, that's all. We have to incur cost to sell to the Malaysians at a lost.
@Eugene -Choi 10 or 15 years down the road, Malaysia will still be saying what you said. LOL
Mahathir is right!! How can sell water at a prize fixed in 1920s!! Right now is 2019, prices are increasing and getting expensive. Please be fair Singapore!!
You signed a contract. A legally binding contract.
It's 1965 Bro plus raw water is a very cheap resource not to mention that we give u back treated water that cost us more money
Mahathir is right!! how can the house you bought (with contract)back then, be of the same price right now? FASTER GO AND PAY THE DIFFERENCE TO YOUR GOVERNMENT/LANDLORD NOW. please be fair to your government/Landlord.
Singapore love their contract so much yet they violate our airspace and cannot respect the contract. Singapore first world country logic.
@@endeliggnist5066 are u serious?? i am being sarcastic towards the guy that commented on this post. and u came to attack me instead. lolol. but anyway, your response is what exactly what i wanted to tell them. once signed, nothing can be argued if the price is unfair. as for u, be a little open minded. learn how to read between the line. i was using his mentality to argue with him.
No, you cannot raise the price of the water, because it is inherently against the legally binding contract as signed back in 1962, of which states the stipulated price for which Malaysia should charge for her water.
As for the imbeciles who believe that 3 sens per thousand gallon is too cheap, consider this. Singapore also permits Johor to draw up to 5 million gallons of *TREATED* water a day, which is exponentially more expensive to produce than raw water. In reality, however, Malaysia has been drawing closer to 16 million, of which Singapore graciously provides.
Malaysia, on the other hand, sells raw water to Singapore, which requires little to no resources or effort to obtain. All Malaysia has to do to obtain said water is to wait for precipitation to fill the reservoirs in Johor that was built by, you guessed it-Singapore. In other words, selling this water to Singapore is *free* money.
But srsly la 3 cents per 1000 gallon is just to ridiculous leh. I think what mahathir is saying is right. Also malaysia got a lot of dept ma so if malaysia keep charging 3 cents per 1000 gallon then how. Srsly la it' very logical
- malaysian btw.
@@andrewkew2486 Dude, its raw rain water. Besides, Singapore sells back treated water at a fraction of what it would otherwise cost to produce.
No one cares, Singapore is a rich country
@@exylim9858 So, should all Singapore's imports be priced higher, just because Singapore is "a rich country?" If I'm penniless, should I be able to buy the newest iPhone at a lower price? Leave the state of the economy out of this.
@@endeliggnist5066 I'm from Malaysia, and Singaporeans always cross the border to get fuel because it's cheaper. Why don't we just raise the price when they cross the border?
If Tun Mahathir have focused his attention on Malaysia and Malaysia only and not anti-Singapore during his tenure, Malaysia would have been an even more prosperous state.
Sad to say, he didn't get his priorities right...
So did you hand power to Anwar ?...No ?................Dont trust his word..........
That being said, then the price of treated water will rightfully be sold back to Malaysia at a higher price, at least in proportion.
Can you can do that... now according to the agreement both sides have the rights to revise the prices.
this was an issue before when I was still in SG. surprised its still ongoing. thought they've renegotiated by then.
@@ariefsalih6001 ?
@@GG-yv4bg Mahathir obsessions' with Singapore begin when he was a medical student. And to top up his obsession, it was the 90s monetary crisis, when GCT refused to loan him outright in exchange for water security. And like an elephant's brain, he always remember that slight.
actually sabah and sarawak people also dont like mahathir. you know
According to u....
@@DidingBaYes according to me because I am Bornean, I know what happening. Mahathir do much damage to Sabah since 1970. Project IC, he give IC to illegal immigrant for gain political party support. Now see what happen at KK, where ever will see illegal immigrant in the city. What you know about oil royalty negotiation back then? And recent this week, government ask Petronas to pay RM53 billion as special dividend. How about Sabah and Sarawak shares?
People like you are toxic for Sabah and Sarawak.
Bootlicker. Illegal immigrant. Go back where you from.
USS Enterprise u wrong dude, we sabahan love mahathir because of mahathir lah malaysia maju n mega di mata dunia if u dont anything do say lah
@@ahyeng4121 tknak tknak... Kmi nk merdeka sendiri.. Lagi maju
@@micheal8956 nak maju pergi cakap kat politician Borneo tu. Dah tau tak mendatangkan faedah pergi jugak vote orang sama tiap2 pilihanraya. Pastu menangis kata tak adil dan saksama. Kalau Sabah dan Sarawak keluar Malaysia tapi yang berkuasa orang sama, tak maju jugak la, entah2 sama je menjilat kasut orang Malaya tu macam dulu, atau dok menjilat tapak kasut Indonesia/Singapura pulak
This is the kind of things that could escalate racial hatred and country to country dispute that can has a devastating effect...'HELOOOOOO" Let the government deal with this thorny issues we eat our popcorns sit back and relax and enjoy the show.....Malaysia and Singaporean are buddies regardless of any kind of dispute which any countries will face from time to time.
Well played.
well malaysia water they hv common rights to fix agreement anytime after 25 years .... its malaysia call wthout the water singapore may nt surivive economy well ... even watet treatment they does business if malaysia sell then only singapore can do treatment... johor mentri besar he gonna shut down water treatment n johor will do own watet cleaning no need singapore... so singapote does nt own the water they buy it everything from malaysia...
Right
Your brain is conflictly mess. Do nothing & you may become okay.
@@ConradSNIPER your English cmi
Of course you are not anti Singapore, however, you still want to bring water at 3 sens. Do you care to acknowledge that Singapore have been selling at 50sens clean water back to Malaysia at a subsidised rate.
He claims to hand over PM to Anwar.
admit it, you are not pro Malaysia, you are pro Malays and anti Singapore as well.
So Singapore pro Chinese than since no many malay fighter pilots
@@yangerek78 are there Indians?
@@NC000C are we talking about indians?
@@yangerek78 Singaporean indian
@@NC000C but u are talking about malay rights above not about india rights
Seems like Malaysian does not understand the meaning of honouring a legal contract or treaty. Be it fair or not fair, it is agreed upon by both parties. Look at the big picture. So what if you get to change the raw water price, it means you do not honour a legal contract and would want to change the consideration once it does not favour you. In future who won't want to do business in or with Malaysia.
I see more Singaporean then Malaysian here. First of all why do you care about country issues(to all debaters) can you just let it slide and solve on its own? If you even make the statement it's rare for them to be read by the government, just let it go
Oh look at you so cute! Trying to form a political statement when your brain isn’t matured enough
Singaporean here and just gonna lay out some hard truths
Singaporeans need to understand that we can really be more gracious especially because our neighbors are not in the best of times.
Malaysians also need to acknowledge that Singapore does try to be gracious and unselfish when giving back treated water. (To be fair, tun Dr. Mahathir is just protecting his people's interests so it makes sense that he doesn't really mention the treated water part. )
I personally love both countries and think both sides have some solid points. Lets try to empathize each other and look at the situation more amicably.
In conclusion, Singapore is such an ignorant country. How can they live in those guilty life.
@@rainforest8893 pls use your brain to think rationally.
Well said
@@rainforest8893 Another ignorant Malaysia, that's been brainwashed by this 0ld Senil Prata Flipping MataKutty PM. 🙄🙄🙄
@Mark Chin Singapore is very rich. Cant you afford treated water rather than raw water. Use your brain lah.
This guy still remembers he was sent to dormantary instead his hostel back when he's at Singapore
The issue is that Mahathir has little credibility when he takes on Singapore.
Many issues in the past he confronts Singapore in an emotional and personal way. This does not speak well for a supposedly Senior statesman and a politician who is supposed to be objective and diplomatic!
He has a very big ego... So its difficult for him to see his own faults.
As long as he is PM, these differences will not go away!
Please be reminded Malaysia Kicked out Singapore. Water security is a form of compensation for the split due to water security. Now that Singapore is more developed and far exceeded Malaysia,. Mahathir is bickering about this.
Malaysia have more opportunity and resources to exceed Singapore's potential but have failed to do what the Singaporeans did.
He had the chance to review the price after 25 years in 1987 but he refused to do so because he knew it would be more expensive to clean the water themselves than buying from Singapore at subsidize price while we in Singapore paid 5 level of tariff for water consumption. He hated Singapore very much because some taxi driver mistakenly drove him to servant's quarter while studying in Singapore.
Which country in the world sell treated and drinkable water straight from the tap at 50 sens per thousand gallon?
And to treat 1000 gallons of water actually costs more than 3 ringgits. Singapore is giving them 75% discount...which country do that?
This is mahathir 's last chance to do Singapore in. He will not give up any opportunity to harass Singapore to achieve his own agenda, conscribe and curtail Singapore 's progress and development. He will be disappointed. Singaporean better don't take water and air for granted, before you know it, some crazy politician in Malaysia will claim the sea water around Singapore belongs to Malaysia too!
22/7/2022, this old man is still anti-Singapore. An anti neighbour
Pathetic Singapore....🤡
0:15 Did they get a Malay, Indian and Chinese on purpose? Almost like [CIMB, Chinese, Indian, Malay Bank]
Don’t understand this Mamak. If he said that the Agreement can be negotiated anytime after 25 years and not by 25 years as adhered by Singapore, why Malaysia didn’t sue Singapore? If what he said is correct, isn’t it a simple legal case?
Continuously delayed the RTS
Cancelled the HSR
Arbitrarily claim waters near Tuas
Caused an airspace dispute
Resurface an old issue with water prices
A sudden increase in Johor landfill burning/Air pollution
Constant antagonism by PM Mahathir
_sigh_
Malaysia in debt can't blame them
almost everything SG government is taking from malaysia, the sea teritory, the airspace, n the pedra branca just to profit their own ministers n their elites similarly they taking away ur tax money, ur healthcare, ur foods, n ur housing!
I don't think Singapore government is willing to finance Malaysian portion of HSR via Malaysian Ringgit.
Hahaha...why blamed Malaysia for handouts you took for granted in years, its Malaysia rights...loads, stocks n barrels, live with it.
And yet, Singapore enjoying higher currency and bigger economy share. Stay put Singapore, stay put..
Did they agree to renegotiate the price of treated water too?
It's like a snake saying it won't bite you
if you increase water bill, how Malaysian people working and stay in Singapore could afford pay the bill, come on la, even some states of your country don't have a clean water..
wow so you guys are also agreed tht the price is inmorally wrong...
The water that I stay is brown colour sometimes. The water pipe break every time. High Cost of electricity? I use electricity The same amount it become more expensive? Scholarship given to the wrong karen narcissistic people then the same person who got the scholarship drop out and complaint their buddy move overseas. The buddy who move overseas get backstab from the person who drop the scholarship and keep complaint about overseas lifestyles. Malaysian people are not goof.
Truthfully, ask yourself or anybody, is the price FAIR, at 3 sen?
It is fair bcos there is a contract.
@Legolas鸟王爷 ok. I hope we can end the agreement as early as 2022. Let's see this post in 3 years from now.
3sen is the perk to kick sg out of Malaysia.
Then ask yourselves forcefully kicking out singapore from malaysia fair?
Or ask yourselves the world is fair anot right now. Naive
Not Anti.. Right. Simply Jealous of what LKY can achieve n he cannot.
The questions raised by the media is on behalf PNP Govnt the usual way how to approach any issues😁
Dont seem to see any intelligent arguments here that focuses on the issue. Yall need to grow up
I think that's the point. The argument to revisit the contract midway is as immature and spiteful as a man who does not honour his words.
Ya
@@teerificbitch Eh, what honour are you talking about? 😰😰😰
Ask all of us, if you have a rich neighbour, you will either envy or jealous of his wealth. Its the same in the political world
Seriously I not jealous of all.
Because we life in the world just for a *sacond*
Who’s jealous of who? Who’s richer anyway?
He was and is never anti-$Singapore. He just hopes we can just perish and not be an embarrassment to Malaysia which is corrupt and insignificant to the world.
Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, apart from personally choosing not to review the price of water in 1987 , had a further opportunity to revise the price.
In a letter to then Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew, Tun Dr Mahathir offered to sell water to Singapore at a "fair price" of 60 sen per 1,000 gallons, in return for concessions on other elements of an overall package.
Responding to the offer in a letter dated April 23, 2001, Mr Lee said that if there was "give and take on both sides, an agreement is possible".
It was in this spirit that Mr Lee visited Kuala Lumpur in September 2001.
But while negotiations were in progress, the Malaysian government raised the asking price to RM3 per 1,000 gallons, 100 times the existing price of raw water.
This demand made it difficult for common ground to be reached, and led to a stalemate in the negotiations.
Rather than rummage through history and indulge in the politics of envy, Dr Mahathir should look into the future and see how the issue of water price can be resolved.
Until then, Singapore will stand by the terms of the 1962 Water Agreement.
Any breach of that agreement would, according to Foreign Minister Vivian Balakrishnan, call into question the Separation Agreement, which is the basis for Singapore's existence as an independent sovereign state.
We dont give them the raised that they want and entitled to so aren't we breaching the agreement as well on our part?
Well if we stop being snobbish and kiasu i think this whole saga can be solve simply and in fact we get more securities on our supplement of water
@@yangerek78 they are only entitled to review the price in 1987,it will still be subject to our agreement. What are you talking about?
@@yangerek78 snobbish? kiasu? If I were mahathir, and you lee ,I will raise the price to 10 ringgit, you have no problem to pay I supposed. Do you know the implications this can have for all other signed contract we have with Malaysia?
@@NC000C read the agreement did it really says on 1987 or after 1987? What is the meaning of ' after ' to u.
You are the one who caused Malaysia to be a poor country…..how come Singapore can be a rich country now when we were at par previously!!!
Show the agreement to Malaysian and singaporean.
www.mfa.gov.sg/SINGAPORES-FOREIGN-POLICY/Key-Issues/Water-Agreements
Mahathir is not so much anti-Singapore as anti- Lee Kuan Yew. I suspect he is extremely though unsaid jealous of Singapore's PM because Lee is much more recognized on the Global stage than Mahathir himself.
Just do it.. Bring it on to the international court of tribulation.
It has been all talk and no action, sick of it.
Than prepared yourself to bathe in the longkang
Come lah anjing, We sell you at a subsided rate. Bodoh.
He’s the most useless politician who can only talk loudly
@@complicatedjason and u are one of those idiot keyboard warriors...
Lady Kiraku enjoy whilst your country goes down the drain
Do you believe him? Don't be gullible. One can still be pro-Malaysia without being anti-Singapore or anti-other countries. One can still be pro-Malaysia while seeking win-win collaborative outcomes with other countries, without harping on differences or carrying historical baggage.
He is not anti singapore, he just have dementia 😂
Admin, please switch off the comments section as it is toxic.
We hate people wanting water for cheap
SHAN SHAM oh really? Why are your people still coming to sg to work ? Because 1-3. Please don’t come to sg and beg for jobs if you hate us.
He is not anti, but envy on the success.
ASHIAPPP
Pathetic Singapore....🤡
Singapore is the Israel of south east Asia, in fact Singapore is an Israel supporter
You are a freaking pea brain.
That's quite harsh. Singapore never had a history of stealing land and colonization
Malaysia is the south Africa during apartheid era.
Kiasu1: "Malaysia backstab us"
Kiasu2: "It's okay, we still have Indonesia for cheap water"
Kiasu1: owhh
Plot twist : Malaysia ain't backstabbing, it's Singapore who's a cheapskate & manipulated the whole situation. Those SG ignorants, why don't they think on their own? Because most of them are idiots & "over-confident" about their country, spoiled brats country & citizens! Fcking selfish humans there.
@@rainforest8893 Manipulated? Lol. I think Dr M the only one going around, one interview after another, spreading propaganda. Yet, among all these propaganda, he never once mentioned that all infrastructures and related expenses are paid by Singapore. You say is unfair, you claim is cheapskate. I wonder who is the real cheapskate.
lol kiasu haha
Singapura don't worry about this issue,no water air laut ada maaah,but ada rasa masin sikit
@@Lu5ck cheapskate when you go to johor to fill your gas and buy gorcery for cheaper price and tax🌚 It's stonks for me📈📈📈
Just cut off . Rich country can produce their own water resources. They are not seek for help from anybody.
But here they are demanding cheap water from poorer country.
It is just too bad for Malaysia to be dumb enough to sign that fixed price agreement. An agreement is still an agreement and u need to stick by that.
if the agreement was back in 1926, both were still British Colony. Even 1961, both were still within one Federation. There was no Singapore as a country back then. So, only after Singapore is really separated and became an independent country in 1965 then this really becoming a serious issue.
and the agreement says renegotiate after 25 years. He is following the agreement haha
he is sTicKiNg bY tHAt
@@TTH-fi8hr i would agree if he said renegotiate after EVERY 25 years. but sadly, no.
He is not anti-singapore. He is just jeolous he do not hv the respect Lee Kwan Yew get from the world. They are from same era, and he THOUGHT he is aslo a great statemen and a world class leader.
Pathetic Singapore....🤡
Whatever it is, you had been given a second chance, instead you go back to your old habit of divisive politics You renigrated your agreement with Anwar. No wonder you were left out of the current arrangement. deserve to be sidelined.
I always address this PM as a cunning old fox and behave like a snake, twist and turn. Now he tried to play with words and phrases used in the terms of the Agreement. 'oh' he said, the agreement didn't said must exactly AT 25 years but AFTER 25 years so didn't lost the right to review. Singapore should tell him 'ok' then we agree only to review price of water when the agreement expire in 2061. That is also AFTER 25 years.
even if u support SG government againts Dr M, u r not getting any price reduction for ur living expenses!
Then u better make sure u are completely self sufficient on water supply by then. Stop talking big but still drinking Malaysian water in Singapore. Dare you stop receiving supply from Malaysia immediately. Shame on you.
Michael Lee Alala
Whatever one choose to argue, fact is 3 Sen is ridiculous, exploitative using legal angle. Exactly how Sing government hammer their opposition. Seller is a sovereign country, has the right to ask for fair price.
Hahaha...its incredible after all the achievements, the truth of the matter is the island state still depending on Malaysia handouts for water subsidy for its development n usage.
What a shame.
Lee Kuan Yew is going to smack you when he sees you in a couple of years lol
Smack? Probably wallop... Haha
Sadly Mr Harry could not do anything at this moment.. and Harry turn too earlee..
@@sangpenghujam5137 it's about time mahathir meet his maker. Let's pray hard.
@@NC000C amen fam.. his livin' on a prayer..
Iee kuan yew? Lol. Nothing
I just realise sg is buying malaysia at cheaper price whilce we singaporean been taxed 30% water tax ..sound ridiculous too
To all those Malaysians
Dont scroll down because some people hate Mahathir down there
Im also Malaysian and i got offended a little by the singaporeans comments down there
Its okay, the angrier those offensive Singaporean are, means the more Tun M is right.
Just enjoy how they try to justify buying water at 3 sen =)
@Legolas鸟王爷 singapore contributes 3 sen per 1000 gallons of water...clearly who is babi....and who is more puki....
@ipenipubodo Malaysian Chinese supported him the most, haha go check out youtude clips of news for them, berating him and pakatan harapan all the way!
@ipenipubodo your race?
Malaysia sell raw water to Singapore at 3sen/1000gallon. The cost of treating the water is 2.40rm/1000gallon and Singapore sells back treated water to Malaysia for 50sen/1000gallon subsidises 1.90rm/1000gallon. Johor sells treated water to its people at 3.45rm/1000gallon. Who profit most here? ;)
Should we give those Malaysian working in Singapore the same currency rate SG1:1riggit back to the seventies also?!!
What did you mean? That was very generous of you😂
The water is free from the sky though...
CQ such a really make sense for malaysia to sell the SG water at watever price he is asking for, even tho the water comes from the rain is free!
and oil is free under the ground
Then, just take the water from the sky not from Malaysia.
Maybe singapore should start building a massive tank like half of ur small country to collect water from the sky since its free...
@@Izzddn98 you see why Malaysia is not progressing. Water you guys kow peh kow boo, sky also you guys kow peh kow boo. Dont you know that Malaysia also owned the sky. How to boost your economy when you guys are always finding faults? Time to wake up......
He is not anti Singapore, however, jealous the success of Singapore?
Because Singapore has the lowest rate of corruption
He’s corrupted to the core. His son and son in law are billionaires. Where did their money come from...
0:26 well i mean the USA has been taking free water from rivers and sold it as bottled water for decades
Much safer than bottle toilet water
@@yangerek78 Singapore has no river idiot. They took OUR WATER IN MALAYSIA AND WE DONT GET NOTHING
@@rajasvlogs2061 i think u have some issues up above. We have Singapore river
@@yangerek78 guys chill the f out
Dude the bottle no nid to pay ah ,work labour no nid to pay ah next time to go to the river a take water your self lah
His interest for the longest time has always been his own pocket. He puts the government money into his pocket and magically transferred itself to his son’s pocket.
Clearly a guy that doesn’t know the meaning of an “agreement”
Clearly singaporean doesnt know the meaning after 25 years. So sad.
Javier Tan an agreement can be subjected to further revision. that's what he is trying to do. don't simply comment things you're clearly clueless about. He is a Dr, a prime minister of a country. I can't see you're coming nearer to his achievement.
then do u know whats an "agreement"?
Roland the Dr., ex pm of a country is clearly clueless about when the agreement was entered into. 1926 and 1962 are clearly not the same. He clearly could not keep track of important contract terms so it is no wonder he might be clueless about the terms of the agreement and over what each party is entitled or not entitled to do. And he clearly forgot he waived the country’s right to agree to a new price with the other party after 25 years into the contract.. But luckily the Malaysian King has been wise 👑
@@jmsc8 so we propose a new price and Singapore proposed a new price as well why we need to accept the prices Singapore proposed which are not worth to our nation ?
We need a fair trade agreement not keep asking us to provide you guys almost free water...
Hopefully he will consider giving raw water free of charge to Sing. ...will make his critic a change of mind, begin calling him "pro Singapore" or "anti- Malaysia " later on.......unfortunately, it is an international treaty agreed upon by both government while ago , we can not just change anything in the treaty including the price in whatever way we see fit or in favor of our own interests only, we have to conform to the letter of the agreement accordingly.
Why is he complaining now when he as PM decided not to revise the 3 sens.
Back then 3 cents was different, now it's different. It's logical for him to talk about it now, as the previous PM was an idiot
because he knew it cheaper to buy than clean themselves.
leow meng because 3 cents now are different than in the past. why makes it so hard to understand his intention?
@@dens6807 we buy 3sen from you, sell 50 sen of treated water to you. your govt sell you at 1MYR. you think if your govt successfully sells us at 1MYR, you think we won't rase our price to 5MYR and in turn your govt sells you back at 10MYR? who losses? citizens
@@MrLexify how much you sell us back ? Only 2% of the imported water Kay... and we can produce our own water as well.
You don’t even have the raw materials to do that and during the 1961 agreement we treat Singapore as one nation that is why we can sell you at such price but after the separation you expect us to keep subsidies foreign countries? Harlo 😁
Man is jealous of singapore's success, he wished malaysia could become like singapore
3sen today is 3rm today
Mahathir is right. 3sen 1000gallons simply ridiculous
What is ridiculous is mahathir 's duplicity!
3 sen for rainwater seems more than just and fair. Especially considering that Singapore sells treated water back to johor at a discounted rate. All you idiots have to do is wait for rain to fill the reservoirs that Singapore built.
so sad malaysia got the worst trade partner!
@@ariefsalih6001 maybe it's the other way round
Endelig Gnist hello malaysia is a supplier..if SG is not happy with the deal, u can choose not to buy n continuosly consume ur recycled feces water..malaysia didnt force to buy..do u know what the situation right now??
Oh come on, he cannot hide that he is jealous in some ways
Jealous but not hate
"Revision after 25 yrs not at 25 yrs" Tun M.
Singapore, please stop buying water from Malaysia. No need to negotiate, no headache
We have to wait for the present agreement to expire. If not we will be the one accuse of breaching the contract as usual.
@@terenceng9192 Singapore can always inform Malaysia of her intention to stop buying water. Both parties win. Malaysia to stop selling, Singapore to stop buying. Singapore can always rely on newater, desalination & buying from Indonesia.
1000 gallon = 3 cents. Raw water that cannot be drink or use for cooking.
1000 gallon = 50 cents. Drinking water and can use for cooking. A fraction of the cost of making clean water from raw water. Mahathir never mention this!
So why Malaysia didn’t do it? Malaysia sell us Raw not drinking water!!! Water that cost more than 50sen to manufacture before we sell back to Malaysia. So who is not being gracious!!
Mr. HeavyDebater treat your own water la. got ability to do so? ask ur PM to build his own water treatment system.
@Mr. HeavyDebater Then why not your country do it. Remember actions speaks louder than words.
Mr. HeavyDebater you are in denial you cannot accept the fact that we sell back at a fraction of what we produce and you are being unreasonable and greedy of wanting more. Anyway the water come from the sky,is free. Your government can don’t sell us and let the water flow into the ocean and left with no water to drink.
@@MrHighwaysg just get ocean water or learn the rain dance.
Twice Mahatir said 1926..... It's 1962!!! For F sake, can't he even get the year right?
1000 gallon for 3 cent.
Common la Singapore is rich , i think if it is 1 dollar for 1000 gallon it is too much affordable. Just one dollar per 1000 gallon is okay ma
ace Hafiz then we sell back the water to malaysia at $5 per 1000 gallon? also ok anot? think further my friend
I'm pretty sure no one in Malaysia's government told you guys about the millions of SG dollars Singapore loses helping Malaysia treat your waters & sells back at a very cheap price, right? Oh, & don't forget, your government then sells treated water to you guys back at HUGE profit. Probably never heard of any of this from your government, right right right?
We pay our taxes to the government , do you pay taxes or not
You guys pay taxes?
He is just anti non muslim.
The mamak ruled Malaysia for 22 years when he was with the BN, with All the resources Malaysia have and he says Malaysia a poor country, where does all the wealth gone
Wilfred Tan Khoon Pheow he said Malaysia is a poorer country relatively to Singapore.
Wilfred Tan Khoon Pheow since when Malaysia a poor country? Malaysia a rich nation,singapore economy monopoly by foreign westerner while singaporean are poor
Lol he didn't said that.. he said malaysia is relatively poorer than Singapore
I don't know why i am here as Indonesian citizen. And i see alots of hate comments between Malaysia and Singapore. I also get offended to scroll down the comments.
*So why this appear in my recommendation?*
Bcause youtube wants you to know how bad Malaysian and Singaporean are
Oiii malaysia yang Cari pasal mereka dah set a contract 🙄🙄🙄
Exploit your neighbors weaknesses and blame them for being so.
Fck u...this logical.not exploit weakness.the price must be change after 80 years
Be grateful by being fair to your neighbour who helps you, not accusing them exploiting you over your weaknesses..
Now no water from malaysia no problem...but malaysia will face political problem forever...
If your neighbour is rich and lives in a bungalow means he must be charitable enough to share some of the wealth with you ? If in the past you made a bad judgement and sign a bad deal with your neighbour , now your neighbour become rich , means you can don’t honour the deal and try to extort the neighbour ? Instead of doing self reflection on why ur own nation with all the resources are not doing better , you choose to dishonour some of the old contracts ..and blaming ur poverty on other nations .
Mr. HeavyDebater based on what you say, then the rates of all goods and services agreement are based on the economy of the country ? So setting rates or terms and conditions on contracts are not essential anymore because all contracts and agreements should automatically “auto adjust” itself to the economy success at that particular point in time . So when Singapore suffer a recession , can the water price be reduced also ? Firstly , the agreement wasn’t on such terms . Secondly , your Pm choose to decide how he want to interpret the agreement . He is Dr Mahathir , by profession a doctor , whereas Lee Luan Yew is by profession a lawyer . So who makes the better agreement ? Blame who ? Blame the parents didn’t send him to the law school?
As a Malaysian, I am. Can we try to stop supplying water for 1 week only?
They will become zombie after 1 week.
Our fighter jets are deployed back from Australia. Where's your place in Malaysia?
@@NC000C hey friend. dont be so serious. We are friends with benefits mah.
@@antitroll98 I cannot joke with you meh.... Why is your prime minister such a bully? When is anwar or azmin taking over? We dont want to discuss or negotiate with him.
Singaporeans will not die if you dun supply water. We have other alternatives. Get your 300K of malaysian who come here for work daily to go home.
Singapore is also Pro-Singapore ~ An Legal Agreement is also an Legal Agreement ~ This Agreement is enshined with our Important Separation Agreement and cannot be change without the Agreement of both Countries.
Tun Mahathir not criticizing Singapore but Tun M wants Singapore develop it's own water source. Which a big motivation for Singapore goverment.
Agreed.. which we had already almot achived
Why can't Singapore just pump their own water out of their own soil?
You're right! Hey, quick question, why can't Malaysia just be rich? Hey, why aren't all humans immortal? Why don't we just not die?
*Because that's not how things work.*
@@endeliggnist5066 so, paying for equal value of money for water is also not how things work in Singapore? This developed country can't afford to pay and need to subsidized by Malaysian govt.?
in facr they should learn to consume the drink from their own recycled feces!
They got a lot of waste water.. Should recycle it since they are so green country haha
@@asyerria newater
Dr m is not anti Singapore, he's just jealous of sg success.
As a Singaporean, I have a clever solution to solve this issue once and for all. Malaysia can stop the water supply to Singapore and Singapore can stop all workers from Malaysia from working here. We can source workers from developing countries. No more squabbling anymore!
Hahahaha then Singapore would collapse in short times... I wonder Singapore labour force will stop or not if all Malaysian are deported back... literally lost 1-2 million work force immediately can the country survive without work force ?
Stop the tap lagi kaolat straight no water supply how to survive.. oops NEWATER ? How much can it sustain ? One week ?
Singapore is wealthy nation. This is magic of former PM Lee. Indians made Singapore wealthy. There was heavy tax and customs duty on imported items
Irrelevant
He has the point. Every products' prices escalated over time. But hopefully not too much.
He rules for the interest of his own.
Exactly! Corrupt.
@@henrylow2248 Malaysia will always be corrupt and hopeless.
@@johndee759 Yes, because this man is not fit to be a leader of diversity.
@@henrylow2248 my dad always says Malaysia is such a rich country. Imagine Lee Kuan Yew ruled Malaysia back in the days. Malaysia would have been a super power today.
Just don't sell to Singapore, simple
They so cocky will never get another contract from Malaysia for water supply. They better pray they could self sustain with the supply, or else the current jokers are creating a hard life for their children.
@@siowwf83 of couse. Else we would have already kowtow to dr fork tongued mahathir many years ago.
J.S and your children too. Don’t forget all your countrymen living in Singapore and trying to eek out a better future here.
@@ml1643 eke
Malaysia can not compete with Singapore lol
By the way, 1962 and not 1926.