Star Trek: TNG Review - 6x24 Second Chances | Reverse Angle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- Riker Riker is is starting starting to to see see double double.
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Echevarria, René . “Second Chances.” Star Trek: The Next Generation, created by Gene Roddenberry, Season 6, Episode 24, Paramount Television, CBS, 1993.
All this Red Riker, Yellow Riker talk makes me imagine a whole team of colored Rikers: the Mighty Morphing Power Rikers.
Go Go Riker Rangers
Wherein Rita Replulsa's motivation becomes avoiding Team Riker's aggressive sexual advances.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 and the overly familiar "High Leg Maneuver"
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I would 100% watch them defeat Zordon.
"We missed an oppurtunity to call them ketchup and mustard the whole time. I would have 'relished' in that!" haha
The fact that the writers actually considered killing Red Riker, having Data be promoted to first officer, and Yellow Riker become part of the Enterprise crew still interests me. It would have really changed the show for the end of season 6 and all of season 7.
Yeah, and the reason they didn't do it was that they wanted to have the old familiar Riker in the TNG movies. A lot of good that did, the movies ended up being Picard & Data stories anyway.
Good idea
It's an intriguing concept, killing off Riker and promoting Data, however, how long before the android take-over and(added) human revolt begins (against the machine-man)? Lol!
Replace Worf with Kern and Red Riker with yellow ... Borg would be a breeze
Didn't they kinda do that in Voyager, where there were two ships/crews and the original Harry Kims corpse is still floating out in Delta Quadrant space?
4:16 - that transporter chief is played by real-life astronaut Mae Jamison, the first black-female astronaut who has the unique distinction of being the first "real" astronaut to appear in Star Trek. She's been a fan ever since TOS and has credited Uhura as an inspiration. In fact, she would begin each shift in space by informing Mission Control that "hailing frequencies were open."
That’s nice
V cool fact. Had no idea - what an inspiration…
I always love hearing that story.
That's awesome! Trek needs more real spacepeople cameos!
There's a planet named after her in Starfield
From now on, I will refer to this episode as Ketchup & Mustard.
Lol, I can't believe that never occurred to me until now.
Now there's an idea to relish 😋 😁
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Yellow riker comes back as a bad guy in DS9. Nice be of connection between the shows
I think it's funny he turns out to be way wrong about what the fleet was used for, though I can't really blame him. I'm sure fleets aren't designed for one purpose only.
Yup and “Lower Decks” references this episode later.
"Ketchup, mustard, relish" hot dog! 😂
Bring on the green shirts!
@@ShumaniTatankaOwachi It's a good episode. Don't be so saur.
11:45 the redshirt guy here actually was Jonathan Frakes's stand-in on many occasions.
You two may have missed it, but the flower wasn't taped to the warp core, but rather was was hung on a partially hammered in nail. For some reason, that nail in the warp core has always snapped the suspension of dis-belief for me in a way nothing else ever has on this show.
TNG vids dropping really takes the edge off Mondays. 👍
As does alcohol.
Yellow Riker is currently in prison for turning on starfleet in deep space nine just like they erased the memory of kern so that character was useless. Damn ds9
In good ol' Star Trek tradition, someone has had a massive psychological trauma, and everyone treats them as if nothing happened.
They needed another episode where Riker changed career slightly and there was also a blue Riker.
Or they could combine, to Green Riker!!!
I really enjoyed having 2 Rikers. Troi, you lucky girl you.
Double beard action. 😅
Imagine if O'Brien and Geordi had found Yellow Riker's poetry instead of Troi and both shown up in 10 Forward looking for love. 🤣
I don't know who you are. But, your comment made me laugh so hard. 😂
I'm pretty sure somebody wrote fanfic of a Red Riker, Yellow Riker, Blue Troi threesome.
I mean either this episode proves that you’re not the same person who reappears after being transported, the original is destroyed and then recreated in the new location, or it means that only one of those Rikers is the original and the other one is a soulless monster. Wouldn’t it be interesting if Yellow Riker was the one who had the soul,
Yellow Riker _is_ the original imo.
You guys are hilarious! Glad I found your channel! Giving me another way of looking at the show is funnier than I would have thought!
I disliked this episode. It was really strange how much that they didn't consider yellow Riker's feelings, and just expected him to be a Starfleet officer after having been alone for eight years. Red Riker giving him orders as though he was just another officer was really cringe.
Nightbird's trombone solo is nearly impossible to do. I looked it up once and damn!
And, I might add, saying Riker had been trying to get that trombone solo right for ten years doesn't mean that was ALL he had been doing in that time. I think he first tried and screwed it up ten years ago and, despite numerous attempts since, has still not managed to master it.
At 4:11 when yellow riker runs to the transporter room and as he stops running, his phaser fells off his holster.
I've always thought that the medical community in Star Trek has been covering up the usefulness of transporters for medical purposes. Like...if your leg got blown off on some away mission there's no reason why they couldn't re-attach it using the transporter. It's just molecular patterns.
See, good sf explores concepts like that. It was one of the aspects of starship troopers I liked.
With out explicitly saying, "we have sf level medical tech", they portrayed a society that took it for granted. Broken wrists and knives through the hand were just part of training and would be healed overnight.
And those early scenes paid for the scene with Johnny in the tank later. It felt earned.
@@macmcleod1188 Yeah and like the Goa'Uld sarcophagus the side effect of being repeatedly healed would be that you start losing your morality knowing that if you get hurt badly and can just walk away from it and there's no consequences to your actions. Also you can cruelly hurt someone and force them to be healed over and over to break them mentally. That kind of story is very interesting.
Not just them, the military community could use transporters to put ordinance or shock troops basically anywhere at any time.
For example, the first couple of Borg episodes could have been resolved with no loss of federation life by transporting a few gigatons worth of nuclear explosives onto the cube. It’s not like the Borg ever stop them from transporting whatever the hell they want onto their ship.
@@Noplayster13 I get the impression that star trek ships can suppress nuclear explosions.
That's why they stopped using nuclear warheads with a "how quaint" attitude after TOS.
One galaxy class ship can also lay waste to an entire planet so a nuke pales by comparison.
@@macmcleod1188 Ok, a modern equivalent then. A gigaton is a gigaton regardless of how it is generated.
At 4:16
Thats astronaut Mae Jamison! 😮👍👍
This episode breaks Star Trek in half. The plot hole created here reaches black hole proportions.
I can think of half a dozen hostile alien civilizations that would use this cloning soldiers thing in an instant. The Alpha Quadrant should have been buried under an avalanche of Jem’Hadar.
After Riker's reaction to his clone in 'Up The Long Ladder', it is odd that the writers would place him in a roughly similar situation. The idea of having not just a duplicate, but literally another self living a parallel life must have weighed on (our) Riker's mind a great deal.....until it was forgotten about next episode.
I am surprised you did not make the connection to best of both of worlds where red Riker treated yellow Riker like Shelby and yellow Riker infact acted like Shelby infact some of the conversations red and yellow Riker has were exactly more or less the same red Riker and Shelby had. I mean heck red Riker even had a poker game with both Shelby and yellow Riker only difference being Shelby won and yellow Riker lost lol.
Who is Shelby?
Sickbay could transport injured or temporarily dead patients and while in the matter stream, reverse the person's stream profile to a previous healthy profile, thus restoring the patient's physical condition to unharmed.
Yellow Riker obviously had some sort of razor to not have a Tom Hanks Castaway super beard. And I would have thought a pre-season 1 Riker with access to razor would have chosen to remain beardless.
This isn't the last we see of Yellow Riker, if you're willing to go far enough.
One Riker,
Two Riker,
Red Riker,
New Riker
What a way to start the day. Good review and funny too.
I give this review an A+.
And I also give this review an A+.
Did red Riker even have grounds to boss yellow Riker around? He's not technically officially in Starfleet, individually he has no status or entry. And giving the guy hell for being a couple of minutes late? He's been living on his own for 8 years, he hasn't had to take orders or follow protocol. I could understand red Riker being an ass if they were arguing but they had yet to even come to any blows until red Riker started something.
"...and could be replicated."
THE ENTIRE MAN IS REPLICATED
I was looking forward to this review. Didn’t disappoint. He comes back in another series too.
You'd think yellow-Riker, after all these years, would be quite the blue-Riker.
I really like the idea of this...but how many issues does this cause?
Like the beam kills you and makes a duplicate?
Where did the additional mass come from?
If people die why not just use a copy of them from the transporter?
Not detecting the mass differential makes this DOA as a scientific concept. There is no way that wouldn't be apparent with a machine that is supposed to reconstruct objects down to the last molecule.
Multiple episodes of Star Trek make it clear the original mass isn't sent. It really is disintegrating the person and reassembling them elsewhere. And it's also clear transporters could repeatedly reassemble people from multiple episodes.
So it has to be cultural blindness or values that prevent using it that way.
And extending that thought, any brilliant scientist could be multiple and saved in their prime or pre-prime.
@@macmcleod1188 I don't think it matters where the mass comes from. The end result is whatever is in "the buffer" needs to be reassembled correctly down to the last molecule or at least within some acceptable error margin. If this can't be effectively tracked or can have an unnoticed 100% error in terms of resource allocation, it's a non-working technology.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 As I said, we have *multiple* episodes that show us that's not the case. A second physical person is assembled from a "pattern."
The memories are duplicated too.
It also explicitly shows the personality isn't stored outside the body (in a "soul").
Of course, even by the christian faith, memories of earthly life are erased (isiah) so the personality would be gone anyway.
But, back to star trek, we see repeatedly that physical bodies and memories are duplicated. So the mass can't be part of the pattern. And-- it doesn't set off any warnings so supplying/creating the mass straight from energy must be part of standard usage.
The food replicators also back this up-- recreating the same item from a pattern over and over with the mass being created from energy.
yeah. I just said the same. This episode breaks all the established reassurances that the transporter does not kill you and create a duplicate of you, it transports the actual you. What happened in this episode should not be possible. We should not be able to get a second Riker with a separate consciousness unless... the transporter is killing you and creating a duplicate.
What was with that animation @ 3:22 ? I'm just imagining Geordie putting together this oversimplistic animation so he could 'dumb it down' for everyone else in the room. "Oh look, one beam goes through hole, other bounces to ground!" Did he really need a GIF for this? lol Also, what about conservation of mass? Why does Riker double in mass from one Riker to two Rikers? Also, wouldn't the transporter chief have noticed that a second beam went back to the planet? 'Oh well, we got one of them, good enough!'
The 'evil twin' trope is part of a trend that we will continue to see going into S7; long lost relatives pop up everywhere. This episode was a sign that this show was running out of creative juice. I mean, we've already explored this storyline with Data-Lore (and will see it again in the season finale). The work of Sirtis and Frakes in this episode gives us a reason to watch, I thought she sold the dilemma well even though it was a one-off episode.
I gave this one a C+ due to Sirtis' and Frakes' performance in this episode.
And the movies. As if one Data twin wasn't enough, we end up getting two.
i think the funniest thing is that THE TROMBONE CASE IS NORMAL, the slide detatches from the bell section, which you see, and is stored seperately, my biggest thing is, whats the significance of it if replicators can just make another trombone
Why would they use transporters on a planet that they know it isn't safe, what are all those shuttlecraft for?
He comes back in Deep space nine.
Ketchup and mustard LOL
If I was either one of the writers, or especially the Jonathan Frakes, I would have pushed for the episode to end with Red Riker going berserk at the end, forcing Troi to kill him, and then Yellow Riker takes over for the rest of the season. Then it would be a real 'second chance'.
And at the end, Picard would say something like, "I'm glad things worked out this way. Your double seems to have put a lot into 'growing' as a person, but it was all wrong. He was bad. A bad person, and a bad number 2."
I'd be 100% on-board for a Will vs William anbo-jyutsu deathmatch.
And now yellow Riker is imprisoned in a labor camp.
Nightbird... on the trombone... yeah... that's a 10 year sort of thing.
Nice condiment jokes.
Troi is so good in this, she breaks my heart.
The thing that always stuck with me about this episode is that Thomas Riker's hair was so much sharper than Will's.
Their beards were perfectly in sync after so long!
Yeeeeah, little too amazing, eh?
I really thought yellow riker was gonna trap red riker on the planet, and try to take his place.
2:25 I'll give them a pass on that 'genetic drift' just because it was the 90's and the genetics terminology and definitions were terrible back then. And they would have had to look up the definitions in a physical book that was probably printed 5-10 years earlier.
Overall I liked this episode. I always like the duplicate person stories in all shows. It can go in many directions to explore the character. I didn't mind that the two rikers were over the top with each other because that's their personality. They are both threatened by each other and don't like it. They are both command driven, career orientated people. It fits.
12:56 LOL
I enjoyed your review a whole lot more than I did the episode when it aired. Never been a fan of this one. Always seemed like filler that would be of no consequence. Fortunately, I was wrong about that, and we did get to see Thomas again in DS9.
They do that a bunch for this series.
I can't be the only one who wanted to see a ménage à trois with Ro and both Rikers ... can I?
'Why don't we wait and see who comes out on top!'
It would have been really funny if they called this episode "Riker, Riker"
STAR TREK : NEMESIS
would've been better if
LORE & TOM RIKER
teamed up to
DESTROY
the ENTERPRISE & HER CREW
They did a great job of the overall balance with the series. Another Riker would not tip things over. Remember fiction neither has to be scientifically accurate nor fully explained.
I've been trying to play a few pieces for 12 years XD.
I have a friend who's been trying to play Stairway to Heaven on guitar since high school. Right now his son is about two years away from entering high school.
I got a ukulele in 2005, someday I will master Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.
OH he didn't die or they didn't become one!? No easy out too damn
I wish you guys would do Star Trek Voyager
Another duplicatable technology using transporters that star fleet fails to take advantage of. They could make hundreds of Rikers, placing them on hundreds of ships. Granted they will need a lot more HR staff per ship to deal with the spike in harassment complaints.
I don't like this episode becuase they changed the rules of the transporter.... again. 12:22 yep. and it's evidence that the transporter kills you and creates a duplicate of you rather than transporting you. After so much insistence that the transporter doesn't kill you, it converts your mass to energy, transports your energy and consciousness, and turns it back into mass. We see in this episode that the you that is transported is not really you, he/she has a separate consciousness. The second Riker should not be possible. I agree with that doctor from before. I wouldn't want to get into the transporter.
Yes! I always had that feeling about transporters, but I never realized this unintended duplication was proof that the consciousness is NOT transferred, but is in fact created and destroyed. It scares the hell out of me, the transporter room is an execution chamber.. and since another you walks away afterwards, nobody cares.
O'Brien should be wearing a veil when he's at the transporter panel..
Final note: if transporters are just creating copies each time, its possible there will be pattern/DNA degradation over time. While I expect transporters, which are shown to be capable of modifying DNA to correct for that, it just hides what is actually happening. You die, and your copy goes about living your life like it never happened.
I wouldn't want to put a blacklight on that station. Too much information yellow Riker
Sadly, Thomas will be thrown is a cardassian prison for trying to steal the defiant for the marquee in DS9
Very good episode of Star Trek: TNG .
the ORVILLE
did this with
KELLY GRAYSON
Agree they needed a Riker episode that explored his persona more and not in a singular Alpha male way. However, I hate clone episodes. This one is no exception. They don't work, as they express a person fighting against themselves. It's a boring premise. Watching these clone episodes; I wish I could say to the characters (and by extension the writers), "you two figure it out and get back to me with the person I'm supposed to watch".
Aside from that, did this really explore Riker? Any growth he may have shown with his interaction with clone Riker feels like a duplicate of the interaction he had with that negotiator when they were trying to buy a wormhole. He is still the alpha male. He still has a limited range of feelings. He still is able to pull back from an emotional black hole. He still puts his career first ahead of relationships.
It would have been better for to him react to the loss of his father or someone very close. How does Riker feel with true loss/regret? That would have expanded his character.
This is another missed opportunity by the writers/directors. Instead of giving Franks a swing-away episode, they have him perform a bunt sacrifice. Disappointing.
Final verdict, C-. This is a filler episode for me. I still see the same Riker as in earlier episodes.
Good review. Plenty of detail. Liked the summary jokes at the end.
Actually I found red rikers interactions with yellow Riker to be a lot like red rikers interactions with Shelby and yellow Riker infact was like Shelby.
@@thewewguy8t88 Yeah, I can see that. In the end, I don't think we saw anything new here from this character.
@@mikeluit3027 your not wrong like I said if anything we saw basically a repeat of his character in best of both worlds only difference seemed to be he was not feeling like he was too comfortable he just was comfortable where he was.
A person fighting against himself can work but not so well in an episodic series when everything resets at the end. It's actually an existing and inherent problem with Riker's character. In what is arguably the climax of the series, The Best of Both Worlds, Riker pushes beyond his limitations of staying safe to prove he is capable of leading the flagship in a crisis situation.
After that his character is forever in maintenance mode because there is really nothing to do now that he backpedals and assumes the old, safe role that limited him in the first place. That realization is probably a motivation behind this episode, which, unfortunately, doubles down on the Riker status quo in the end. They'll try again, a little more successfully in my opinion, with The Pegasus.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 Yep, that stuff as well. You also named the one episode that I really liked Riker in as the lead. It's my favorite Riker episode.
Riker makes out with his self and it gets weird.
It was a cool concept but then they just killed him off in DS9
just stop hating on the show why did you even watch it
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Damn these guys hate tng
Are u watching the make believe show or just looking at the negative points ffs. Chill out and just stop over thinking a show wow
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Since this episode aired I’ve thought about, “Tom Riker:Neutral Zone Taxi Driver”(R)
Later followed by “Tom Riker:Andorian Slave Trader”
All ideas above are the intellectual property of Phil Brukmen Enterprises and fully negotiable for use by Right Minded Creators.
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