Does the new Integra do enough to justify its legendary name, or is the Si with its cheaper starting price the one to go for? Let us know what you think.
After what Honda did in decontenting the 11th gen Civic Si, for the Integra's more costly benefit, I wouldn't take either one of these cars. I would rather give Hyundai the money and buy the much better performing Elantra N.
Integra originally hit the market as a luxury option to the civic. I feel like it became legendary after the GSR type R models hit the scene. So looking at it from that perspective they launched the base 4 door car first to offer that civic/civic si ish luxury sport option. Wait till they release a type s.
@@GreekCarGuy209 type S will be a 50k+ fluffed up type R with 10k mark up. So 60k type R with leather, better audio, more sound insulation, and different body
I'm disappointed the Integra requires an ~$8k lift to get the manual. It'll be outsold by the Si for a couple years, then Honda will drop the Integra manual citing "lack of interest". That price delta should include more umph. From 1994, the 3rd-gen Integra offered a more powerful VTEC engine, producing significantly more horsepower than the Si of its day.
100% truth, what sucks more is the fact that honda had it right in the last gen civic, manual for the sport iption and manual for the top sport touring, they should have implemented that here, base Aspec package with manual, and top of the line Aspec with tech manual, at almost 37k-38k for 200 hp it's a joke, at least a bade model integra could go for about 31k and that would sell very well, I think it would enhance the sales without cannibalizing the SI. Instead they priced it so high while making the car identical to an SI, so of course naturally people will save the money and buy the SI.
I agree. Auto makes bury the manual option under the most expensive trim/options level, and then claim their is no interest. I think the manual driver is looking for more of a middle of the road spec car, that's value for the performance.
Recent dynos show that Honda dialed up an extra 20 hp at the crank for the Integra vs Civic. Not sure why they dont advertise or actually lie about the output
@@jpslaym0936 20 at the cra k is only like 11 to the wheels, considering the weight difference it wouldn't mean much cuz they use turbo engines, but this does highlight the stupidity of acura, a heavier car with more power needs better tires so why not give it summer tires as an option? Just more mind numbing choices by a brand that shouldn't exist.
For those that like to talk about how the old Integra doesn't compare to this new one, well The new Integra compared to the new Si are similar to the 2000 models. Only difference was that each had a different engine with a little difference in output (the GSR was midrange(rpm) focused while the Si was high range focused), versus the Si and ASpec having the same engine. -2000 Integra GSR had 170hp and torque @128lb-ft @$23,300 -2000 Civic Si had 160hp and torque @111lb-ft @$17,500 Price difference between the 2 is about $6k, which is actually a little more (with inflation) than the $8k difference between the '23 Integra and '22 Si. Technically the Integra still lives up to its name 🤷♂️
The older guy is such a nice dude.. the exact same time I do with people when I really I am better at something then them. He intentionally gave that guy the last win putting smile on his face.
I think most people are overlooking that the Integra is basically an SI fastback, too. It's not Just seats and a stereo. It's a different configuration, which I personally find to be a big benefit.
I drove the SI and was very disappointed in how slow it was. Overall nice car for the money, but don’t expect much in power. It felt very underwhelming for a 2023 car.
This is a fun video. The older guy was the better driver, but it was great that the format (drivers switching lanes and vehicles) addresses driver bias.
@@layne4376 also has a more mature look,Exterior looks better, nicer seats, better audio system, better tech …if you’re a working professional its worth it but not if you’re a student.
It's hard to say, 2nd race the Si didn't have a good launch, but the 3rd race, the turn wasn't too good for the Integra. So is it actually, the tire and weight that makes the Si a quicker car?
The Integra was kinda consistent with the times 42.2(with the bad driver), 42.4 & 42.0 ( with the better driver). The Civic with the good driver did 41.8 and with the bad driver did 42.5 & 41.6. - I would say the Civic is a bit quicker than the Integra, but keep in mind that the Integra is suppose to be the more premium Civic lol.
I like seeing people that are more mortal when reviewing cars. Hot laps by a professional driver really dont tell a good story for what the actual consumer might expect.
Randy Pobst is so old, he drives faster to the finish line, just to make it before he dies. Lol, I kid I kid, he’s a great presenter and pilot! And probably younger than me
@@ALMX5DP You totally miss the point. It shows the potential of the car. U can easily upgrade ur driving skills. It's like criticizing people for buying 4x4 with off road capabilities. It always good to have the capability..doesnt mean the buyer will use for that purpose. It's a car, the purpose is for transportation.
@@gw4886 I disagree that driving skill is easy to master. Certain cars are more approachable than others. I think in a review emphasis should be placed on how the car will be driven. It’s good to see ultimate potential, but if that is beyond what most people are capable of, it’s a rather moot point.
@@ALMX5DP Clearly you are young and inexperienced. You shouldn't be checking out high performance cars if dont have the skills required. Even if you do, the training available if you dont have the skills. In life you have options to upgrade any skill, it's not stagnant.
Crazy that the manual Acura Integra costs $37,000 MSRP while manual Honda Civic Si is only $28,000 MSRP. The leather interior, hatchback design, and extra speakers of the Integra is nowhere not enough to justify the $9,000 price jump; especially because the Kia Forte GT and Hyundai Elantra N-Line offer leather seats at a price comparable to the Honda Si. In fact, the previous generation Si had Fog Lights, Active Suspension, and turn signal indicators at base yet they removed them only to reappear on the Integra.
That isn’t including ADM in this car market. A civic si is more like 32k and the integra is breaking into the 40s. Pretty ridiculous if you think about it.
...crazy that the Integra A-Spec now has the equipment the Si used to have, but when put in the Acura, the price jumped $10k. The previous gen Si had the adjustable suspension and a few other things...but now that stuff is no longer an option, but magically found its way into the Integra A-spec (double package car) and now is the "luxury" Si for $10k more. Honda robbed "peter" and gave it to "paul". The biggest loser is the consumer.
The Integra is an SI with better interior. People think they both should cost the same lmao. How's acura going to put better quality interiors in the Integra and make it the same price? That's just stupid.
@@DavidSimpsonJr973 thank you...I don't know why ppl can't think logically... it's clear that the ctr has got to be released first before any mention of the type s
You mean the same motor thats in the base tlx? The problem is Honda doesn't have enough engines for a luxury brand with so many vehicles. They wind up with uncompetitive products at the low end and high end.
K24 with a modest turbo, still fuel efficient and practical. The under achieving is wack asf, Honda has more than enough money to throw at development and they want to act like tight asses, 08 platform anything other than that, pfft.
Anyone else planning to wait for the Type S? Hoping for the Type R's powertrain without the boy-racer looks ... and I bet they'll even throw in a decent set of summer tires.
Honda got rid of alot more than that. Adaptive Dampers, Foglights, Dual Climate, Heated Seats. Despite this, Honda raised the cost of the 11th gen Civic Si. All so they could charge much more for the Integra A-Spec with Tech pkg, the only way you can get the manual. That's the reason I wouldn't buy either one. Honda did the US market wrong here. If it was me, I would probably buy the much better performing Elantra N out of spite.
@@tonychau1983 After we've owned a flawless in 50K miles 20 Hyundai Palisade, (first Hyundai) it's hard not to recommend the brand. I have been VERY impressed. With a standard 10yr/100K powertrain warranty for added peace of mind, it's really hard to go wrong.
which one has the better seats? the Si has the integrated headrest whereas the Integra as the separate/adjustable headrest? how are the bolsters? do you slide around in the integra's leather? My closest Honda dealer as 2 (TWO) new cars on the lot and they aren't Civics or accords or CR-Vs or Minivans. not sure how many cars my acura dealer has because they are 25 miles away
The suede stuff in the center of the A-Spec plus the bolsters hold you in pretty well. I scared myself a bit throwing it around a corner on the test drive and I didn't slide around at all.
The Integra manual on back roads, hairpins, and with better tires (I am running DWS 06+) is a beast. So much fun and I never feel like I am out of control even at 9/10ths around curves. That LSD is amazing. The car also kills in heavy snow and ice with both Vredestein WinTrac Pros and Michelin X-Ice Snows. As a daily, I can fit huge items in it, the stereo is a league above what you get in the Si, and the adaptive dampers make for a very comfortable ride if you want it. I don't - I run it in Sport 24/7. The stock tires are just awful though. I got rid of them almost immediately. My snow tires are quieter than the ProContacts.
Good race, good people, good attitudes. Loved it. Older guy is super nice (but also their all nice) - he threw the last race, what a nice guy. Commentary on the summary was spot on and well done. Well done guys.
Great stuff. I just can't get excited about ditching my DD 10th gen for something running mid to high 15's. Not to mention, I added a simple +9 hondata tune and I'm running high 13's with the push of a button. Zero desire to upgrade right now, especially given the market craziness. I'm hoping my 10th gen will tide me over for a few more years until I can get a new CTR for MSRP. *Fingers crossed*
I made a similar comment when they put the new WRX vs a 6spd Elantra n. The blonda dude won both races in both cars. And he did it again today. Once again proving the driver makes all the difference with manuals
Correct me if im wrong , the si doesnt have adaptive dampening because they completely made it stiffer as if the integra is in sport mode which activates the adaptive dampening
it feels more refined but it is not that quiet. I am installing KilMat in the doors after Xmas, maybe in the trunk area too. From what I have seen online, that should make a huge difference in not just noise, but that satisfying clunk of a well insulated vehicle when the door closes.
It was so lame how happy and stuck up Jason was when he won the last race (finally!!). I mean to be so arrogant on a win that wasn’t even properly earned, considering Kurt purposely threw the race to save face with the office politics. Which is understandable but to be so happy to have won? Strange lol.
I love this channel! Unless you're a fanboy/girl, I do not know why anyone would choose the Integra over the Civic. It seems to be a better buy overall and Acura's luxury 'cachet' is not high enough to justify the price. Also...Johnathan is a hottie!
I just wish they had made the car with a bigger engine and no turbo, like my old 2003 RSX S-Type, which made the same amount of hp almost 20 years ago. It has a high revving, really fun engine. I'd like to see 220hp-240hp out of the modern version.
They both make 220 hp in premium gas 20 more then Honda says. Comparing to RSX from another generation which had nearly 50lbs of torque less is just wierd. I have the Integra A-spec Tech and had RSX with the 2.4. I love the 2.4 but it wasn't even close off the line or in the MPG department these days that does matter.
@@robertblack6630 Well that's interesting, considering they never put a 2.4 in the RSX. Where did you read it makes 10% more hp with premium gas? The RSX S-Type required premium, BTW.
Lauren is attractive no doubt but I'm not feeling that she is a car enthusiast. Not sure why I'm getting that impression. As for the race, shame on Honda. They should have engineered the Integra to beat the civic.
I had an Integra and a RSX, both 5 speeds. Would have bought another one, but Acura stopped making 2 doors. Got a 2012 Civic SI Coupe instead , which I love. Hard to find a 2 door coupe with a stick. Now , the SI is no longer a 2 door.
I like the Integra because it looks more like a luxury brand with an upgraded interior and I've always liked a 4-dr hatch. Acura just needs to make an Integra sh-awd Type-S with the Civic Type-R engine.
I am getting rid of my '18 Si, only because I can't make a phone call because of extreme static that suddenly arose and we can't find the source. The only consideration for the Integra is the Si doesn't have heated seats, a must for this old guy in the north. If the Integra had a touch more power, or something that really made it a better performmer, I wouldn't have a problem paying the premium, but no, I will probably be looking at something outside the Honda family now.
love these! Civic SI is $10k cheaper, better looking, has better seats, and comes with proper tires meaning you would need to spend another grand or two on summer tires for the Integra. Acura is just a marketing company at this point and is very irrelevant. Get the better Honda in the Civic SI.
It'll probably come for the Integra Type S. Either way, if you swapped the summer tires on the Integra from the Civic Si and put the All-Season tires on the Civic Si from the Integra, I think the results would be the same. Kirk would still win and Jonathan would lose even more. LOL! But seriously, Kirk driving both cars even with tire swaps would still be a win for each of those cars in his possession. Like people have been saying, it's the driver.
This was a great comparison! I enjoyed it, but the lady made it a lot better!😎👍🏿. The Launch was bad with the Acura the first time, but second time was great! It all boils down to the driver. Tires play a big roll in performance.
37k for a slower same car 37k for a name for a car that dont have the pedigree or look of the integra we loved. At first i understood it couldn't be designed like the original so i stood up for it after all all the hate for those reasons. but i thought being acura it has to stand out in loks somewhat ehich it is not. Performance needs to be way better than the civic si. interior looks power integra is not worth price.
I'm alright with it. Gives options depending on what someone might want, and this is a performance version of a Civic compared to what is essentially the base model of the Integra line (hopefully).
Your response is what's wrong with so called car enthusiasts.....1. The Integra was ALWAYS just a slightly nicer civic, it also ALWAYS had slow 4 door versions in the states and it also NEVER competed with actual luxury cars. It was always compared to cars like the GTI. So this whole it doesn't have the pedigree is silly and shows you and those that like your comment know nothing about Integras or cars. You also mention an expensive car being slower.....silly comment price and speed don't always go hand in hand a heavier car with the same engine of course wouldn't be as fast. Clearly based om this test it comes down to the driver.
@@ftr911drvr You have a point, but those aren't the Integra models people loved and car enthusiasts loved. But I agree with the civic comparison. Regardless most car enthusiasts don't see what's so special about the car when its advertised as being very sporty and premium when its a Si thats more fancy. Maybe a Type S version could change our minds.
That Integra isn't worth it. With the N cars from hyundai coming in at 33-35k with way more performance still less money and the civic very close for nearly 10k less this is a car that just doesn't make sense at all. And for something approaching 40k there are a tons of options that are more attractive around that price. Hell... A base camero 2ss is only 5k more than that Integra.. It seriously pains me to say that it's a real flop. And I'm a real honda acura fan!
@@ftr911drvr honestly my main problem is price. $37k is Type R money for Si Performance. Especially since after adjusting for inflation, the DC2 was sold for what would be $38k in today's money
@@reesee175 no with hatch there is more room it's a inch wider almost 6 inches longer you can feel it in the interior which is bigger them a TLX especially in back seat
Let's try civic si vs the world..... Gli, forte gt, Elantra N line, Corolla apex, civic touring, Sentra Sr, Mazda 3, brz, gr86.... everything in that price range since the average American car enthusiast can afford those
Technically I won’t say the Civic is better when it is basically the same vehicle but the Acura has more luxurious touches. I really am not an Acura fan but I love this Integra.
@@notsure3535 I prefer the style of the Acura which is why the vehicle exists, to appeal to different people. Same for most other brands and models. They share platforms and powertrains amongst other vehicles but with a different design. Not every design works for everyone no matter how similar they are underneath.
Holy crap those cars are slow for 2022 standards. edit: theyre slow for 2006 standards. when a bone stock 2006 si would annihilate them both. roflhonda
Showing that two closely spec'd cars have greater variance in driver skill and execution. That's the variable that matters most. Summer tires are just a stop away at the tire store but in the real world, on real streets in all kinds of weather, all-season tires make more sense for more people. They'll cost less, perform better in all conditions, and usually last longer. Your choice.
Does the new Integra do enough to justify its legendary name, or is the Si with its cheaper starting price the one to go for? Let us know what you think.
Pathetic drivetrain 2006 called they're laughing at the 3 hp increase in 17 years and the 6500 redline vs 8500. 2.0 vs 1.5 too what a joke....
After what Honda did in decontenting the 11th gen Civic Si, for the Integra's more costly benefit, I wouldn't take either one of these cars. I would rather give Hyundai the money and buy the much better performing Elantra N.
Integra originally hit the market as a luxury option to the civic. I feel like it became legendary after the GSR type R models hit the scene. So looking at it from that perspective they launched the base 4 door car first to offer that civic/civic si ish luxury sport option. Wait till they release a type s.
@@GreekCarGuy209 type S will be a 50k+ fluffed up type R with 10k mark up. So 60k type R with leather, better audio, more sound insulation, and different body
Civic... why pay more with no added HP
So all this proved was the old guy was the better driver. Lauren was the best part of the video.
OMP
yup pretty much it.
Facts
Well said lol
Truth.
Dude threw the third race. Hit the breaks way early, Good career move! 😅
Exactly what I thought
Yep. Still got a paycheck coming..
Breaks or brakes?🤔
@@JulezWinnfield I guess there’s a button that will break down the car
@@chrgav1286
That's impossible.
Older guy clearly the better driver.
Ya little muscley dude isn't as good as he thinks he is.
@@IKnewMickey yup
Experience is the winner.
Younger guy just learning how to drive a manual. Like the kids in here always asking for the auto option...no skills required.
@@gw4886 Let's not blame the "kids," the older generation is more often than not choosing the auto option.
This U Drag format is brilliant. Look forward to other match ups.
I'm disappointed the Integra requires an ~$8k lift to get the manual. It'll be outsold by the Si for a couple years, then Honda will drop the Integra manual citing "lack of interest". That price delta should include more umph. From 1994, the 3rd-gen Integra offered a more powerful VTEC engine, producing significantly more horsepower than the Si of its day.
100% truth, what sucks more is the fact that honda had it right in the last gen civic, manual for the sport iption and manual for the top sport touring, they should have implemented that here, base Aspec package with manual, and top of the line Aspec with tech manual, at almost 37k-38k for 200 hp it's a joke, at least a bade model integra could go for about 31k and that would sell very well, I think it would enhance the sales without cannibalizing the SI. Instead they priced it so high while making the car identical to an SI, so of course naturally people will save the money and buy the SI.
I agree. Auto makes bury the manual option under the most expensive trim/options level, and then claim their is no interest. I think the manual driver is looking for more of a middle of the road spec car, that's value for the performance.
Recent dynos show that Honda dialed up an extra 20 hp at the crank for the Integra vs Civic. Not sure why they dont advertise or actually lie about the output
@@jpslaym0936 20 at the cra k is only like 11 to the wheels, considering the weight difference it wouldn't mean much cuz they use turbo engines, but this does highlight the stupidity of acura, a heavier car with more power needs better tires so why not give it summer tires as an option? Just more mind numbing choices by a brand that shouldn't exist.
Si mark up can easily go up to 4k ~ Integra has better interior. Acura is defined more luxuary. For driving fun they are the same
For those that like to talk about how the old Integra doesn't compare to this new one, well The new Integra compared to the new Si are similar to the 2000 models. Only difference was that each had a different engine with a little difference in output (the GSR was midrange(rpm) focused while the Si was high range focused), versus the Si and ASpec having the same engine.
-2000 Integra GSR had 170hp and torque @128lb-ft @$23,300
-2000 Civic Si had 160hp and torque @111lb-ft @$17,500
Price difference between the 2 is about $6k, which is actually a little more (with inflation) than the $8k difference between the '23 Integra and '22 Si. Technically the Integra still lives up to its name 🤷♂️
No coup.
who cares. they all sucked. honda people need to raise their stanards
@@Epicc928 dealerships have told Honda they don’t sell
The older guy is such a nice dude.. the exact same time I do with people when I really I am better at something then them.
He intentionally gave that guy the last win putting smile on his face.
Totally agree
Thanks Edmunds for dragging affordable and practical cars.
Finally a new episode of U drags!
Need these more often.
Keep them coming
We need to see every car platform U dragging. Idk why they’re only doing new cars!
@@madrx2 next up, New HR-V vs last year's HR-V
we all know he lost the third one on purpose 😅
Wow, she’s instantly a classic on this channel. Please keep her in the videos!
Kurt threw the last one to keep his job. ;-)
I think most people are overlooking that the Integra is basically an SI fastback, too. It's not Just seats and a stereo. It's a different configuration, which I personally find to be a big benefit.
That Integra should be at least be 240hp
It should've came with the typeR motor.
@@Sandwich420 sounds like a good youtube project
I drove the SI and was very disappointed in how slow it was. Overall nice car for the money, but don’t expect much in power. It felt very underwhelming for a 2023 car.
@Ryan B it has enough power for a 1.5 Turbo Engine
maybe a torque converter will make it slightly quicker
She is wonderful…I love her poise and presentation
and her thighs lol
What a hottie!
Indeed she looked lovely. Pink is definitely her color. She also struck me as intelligent and well spoken.
Breath of fresh air for sure
@@bearpaw9150 for sure haha
This is a fun video. The older guy was the better driver, but it was great that the format (drivers switching lanes and vehicles) addresses driver bias.
I miss the days of screaming b series and strung out k series 😢
Integra has a hatch…integra for me.
@@layne4376 also has a more mature look,Exterior looks better, nicer seats, better audio system, better tech …if you’re a working professional its worth it but not if you’re a student.
@@RelearnMath A more feminine look. Perfect for my daughter.
@@gw4886 yup girls prefer the Acura, I showed my girl the cars and she said the SI looks like its for teenagers.
It's hard to say, 2nd race the Si didn't have a good launch, but the 3rd race, the turn wasn't too good for the Integra. So is it actually, the tire and weight that makes the Si a quicker car?
I mean the driver is also part of the equation.
nope its the driver
The Integra was kinda consistent with the times 42.2(with the bad driver), 42.4 & 42.0 ( with the better driver).
The Civic with the good driver did 41.8 and with the bad driver did 42.5 & 41.6.
- I would say the Civic is a bit quicker than the Integra, but keep in mind that the Integra is suppose to be the more premium Civic lol.
Randy Pobst became a senior citizen in the past week AND he would still beat either of these guys with either of these cars in this race. 🏁
I like seeing people that are more mortal when reviewing cars. Hot laps by a professional driver really dont tell a good story for what the actual consumer might expect.
Randy Pobst is so old, he drives faster to the finish line, just to make it before he dies. Lol, I kid I kid, he’s a great presenter and pilot! And probably younger than me
@@ALMX5DP You totally miss the point. It shows the potential of the car. U can easily upgrade ur driving skills. It's like criticizing people for buying 4x4 with off road capabilities. It always good to have the capability..doesnt mean the buyer will use for that purpose. It's a car, the purpose is for transportation.
@@gw4886 I disagree that driving skill is easy to master. Certain cars are more approachable than others. I think in a review emphasis should be placed on how the car will be driven. It’s good to see ultimate potential, but if that is beyond what most people are capable of, it’s a rather moot point.
@@ALMX5DP Clearly you are young and inexperienced. You shouldn't be checking out high performance cars if dont have the skills required. Even if you do, the training available if you dont have the skills. In life you have options to upgrade any skill, it's not stagnant.
Great race format. Nice to see something fresh and different. Also thank you for a taste of diversity with the female host.
Moral of the story: These two are far closer than the price difference should accommodate for. Those are expensive tires!
Crazy that the manual Acura Integra costs $37,000 MSRP while manual Honda Civic Si is only $28,000 MSRP.
The leather interior, hatchback design, and extra speakers of the Integra is nowhere not enough to justify the $9,000 price jump; especially because the Kia Forte GT and Hyundai Elantra N-Line offer leather seats at a price comparable to the Honda Si. In fact, the previous generation Si had Fog Lights, Active Suspension, and turn signal indicators at base yet they removed them only to reappear on the Integra.
That isn’t including ADM in this car market. A civic si is more like 32k and the integra is breaking into the 40s. Pretty ridiculous if you think about it.
...crazy that the Integra A-Spec now has the equipment the Si used to have, but when put in the Acura, the price jumped $10k. The previous gen Si had the adjustable suspension and a few other things...but now that stuff is no longer an option, but magically found its way into the Integra A-spec (double package car) and now is the "luxury" Si for $10k more. Honda robbed "peter" and gave it to "paul". The biggest loser is the consumer.
The Integra is an SI with better interior. People think they both should cost the same lmao. How's acura going to put better quality interiors in the Integra and make it the same price? That's just stupid.
@@kuvyoghmoobamelica6883 congratulations.. you’ve drank the kool aid
I’ve received far more compliments about my integra in the month I’ve had it than I ever would a civic. Worth the 9k
What bothers me is that there’s just so slow . The Acura Integra should’ve had the 2.0T motor from the Honda Accord 😤
Gotta wait until the type s. You won't hear a peep from Acura until the CTR is sold publicly.
@@DavidSimpsonJr973 thank you...I don't know why ppl can't think logically... it's clear that the ctr has got to be released first before any mention of the type s
You mean the same motor thats in the base tlx? The problem is Honda doesn't have enough engines for a luxury brand with so many vehicles. They wind up with uncompetitive products at the low end and high end.
K24 with a modest turbo, still fuel efficient and practical. The under achieving is wack asf, Honda has more than enough money to throw at development and they want to act like tight asses, 08 platform anything other than that, pfft.
I did not hear the vtec change over at 6000-8290 rpm?
You gotta snap the throttle at a certain time it's weird. If you just flat foot it, it won't do the diddly.
Great video! I love this head to head format!
That's why manuals are so fun what you do is as important as the car.
With dual clutch it's pretty much all computer self driving.
summer tires not available on the Integra?
I like the styling of the civic better honestly
So engine specs and weight wise, my 2008 vw eos can preform better than an SI if i upgrade the tires and suspension?
Anyone else planning to wait for the Type S? Hoping for the Type R's powertrain without the boy-racer looks ... and I bet they'll even throw in a decent set of summer tires.
The 2022 typeR is way less flashy than the previous one.
I dig this drag format! Who knew adding a simple curve would be so much more entertaining!
This format has been done before. It's questionable how well it works due to driver skill and so many opportunities to make a mistake.
Lol do you mean the curve of the woman or the curve of the U drag lol.
@@nighthawk0077 Really?? where?? I've never seen a full 1/4 mile, then swap lanes and swap drivers?
I love this format!!!
U nd all of us lol
is there going to be a race of the type r civic vs the type s acura?
Love these U Drags. Why Acura wouldn’t give the Integra a power bump, I’ll never know
I’m sure they will with the typeS version
Hondata dynoed and there is more power apparently
And it's more $$ too. Yes the seats are better and sound system but what would have justify the Integra was to have some more HP.
The type s might get 220hp. But then it's also going to cost over 40k.
@@jalee6587 every new car now a days cost 40k Golf R, Civic type R, 4C Supra, new Z….
Go Lauren! Ohh, the race was awesome too😉👍🏾
Why would honda get rid of the adaptive suspension on the civic si? Wth
Obviously for the Integra to exist. Add adaptive dampers, leather, better audio, different body, and boom we got a integra
@@BitcoinTo150K that's hilarious and unfortunate.
Honda got rid of alot more than that. Adaptive Dampers, Foglights, Dual Climate, Heated Seats. Despite this, Honda raised the cost of the 11th gen Civic Si. All so they could charge much more for the Integra A-Spec with Tech pkg, the only way you can get the manual. That's the reason I wouldn't buy either one. Honda did the US market wrong here. If it was me, I would probably buy the much better performing Elantra N out of spite.
@@wbwayne8887 was with you till you said hyundai
@@tonychau1983
After we've owned a flawless in 50K miles 20 Hyundai Palisade, (first Hyundai) it's hard not to recommend the brand. I have been VERY impressed. With a standard 10yr/100K powertrain warranty for added peace of mind, it's really hard to go wrong.
which one has the better seats? the Si has the integrated headrest whereas the Integra as the separate/adjustable headrest? how are the bolsters? do you slide around in the integra's leather? My closest Honda dealer as 2 (TWO) new cars on the lot and they aren't Civics or accords or CR-Vs or Minivans. not sure how many cars my acura dealer has because they are 25 miles away
The suede stuff in the center of the A-Spec plus the bolsters hold you in pretty well. I scared myself a bit throwing it around a corner on the test drive and I didn't slide around at all.
This was cool, Keep it up. Let's go LAUREN.!!!!
I wouldn't take either for racing. Depends which one makes the better daily and is more fun cruising or on a country back road.
The Integra manual on back roads, hairpins, and with better tires (I am running DWS 06+) is a beast. So much fun and I never feel like I am out of control even at 9/10ths around curves. That LSD is amazing. The car also kills in heavy snow and ice with both Vredestein WinTrac Pros and Michelin X-Ice Snows. As a daily, I can fit huge items in it, the stereo is a league above what you get in the Si, and the adaptive dampers make for a very comfortable ride if you want it. I don't - I run it in Sport 24/7. The stock tires are just awful though. I got rid of them almost immediately. My snow tires are quieter than the ProContacts.
More U-drag's please. Much, much more of them!
I am a hard core car guy but Lauren, is the star of the show, just wow.
Good race, good people, good attitudes. Loved it. Older guy is super nice (but also their all nice) - he threw the last race, what a nice guy. Commentary on the summary was spot on and well done. Well done guys.
Yay! Udrags is back!!!
Great stuff. I just can't get excited about ditching my DD 10th gen for something running mid to high 15's. Not to mention, I added a simple +9 hondata tune and I'm running high 13's with the push of a button. Zero desire to upgrade right now, especially given the market craziness. I'm hoping my 10th gen will tide me over for a few more years until I can get a new CTR for MSRP. *Fingers crossed*
I made a similar comment when they put the new WRX vs a 6spd Elantra n. The blonda dude won both races in both cars. And he did it again today. Once again proving the driver makes all the difference with manuals
Awesome to see a queen running things
U drags are awesome! Do more! Tires do matter!
I want to say tire size also matters . But I don't want to be crude.
i need to see the ilx vs integra
Been waiting for more U-DRAGS!!!
Correct me if im wrong , the si doesnt have adaptive dampening because they completely made it stiffer as if the integra is in sport mode which activates the adaptive dampening
Is it totally about racing them or would the Acura feel more refined & quieter than the Si?
it feels more refined but it is not that quiet. I am installing KilMat in the doors after Xmas, maybe in the trunk area too. From what I have seen online, that should make a huge difference in not just noise, but that satisfying clunk of a well insulated vehicle when the door closes.
Recent dynos show that Honda dialed up an extra 20 hp at the crank for the Integra vs Civic.
It was so lame how happy and stuck up Jason was when he won the last race (finally!!). I mean to be so arrogant on a win that wasn’t even properly earned, considering Kurt purposely threw the race to save face with the office politics. Which is understandable but to be so happy to have won? Strange lol.
I love this channel! Unless you're a fanboy/girl, I do not know why anyone would choose the Integra over the Civic. It seems to be a better buy overall and Acura's luxury 'cachet' is not high enough to justify the price. Also...Johnathan is a hottie!
I just wish they had made the car with a bigger engine and no turbo, like my old 2003 RSX S-Type, which made the same amount of hp almost 20 years ago. It has a high revving, really fun engine. I'd like to see 220hp-240hp out of the modern version.
They both make 220 hp in premium gas 20 more then Honda says. Comparing to RSX from another generation which had nearly 50lbs of torque less is just wierd. I have the Integra A-spec Tech and had RSX with the 2.4. I love the 2.4 but it wasn't even close off the line or in the MPG department these days that does matter.
@@robertblack6630 Well that's interesting, considering they never put a 2.4 in the RSX. Where did you read it makes 10% more hp with premium gas? The RSX S-Type required premium, BTW.
Lauren should have raced
Should do an elantra n vs kona n... also miata vs gr86... more practical cars please
Easily the Si is the better bang for your buck!
So it's a drivers race between the two even though the teggy seemed to pull harder
What is driver mod for $500.
Yup older guys has more passion for cars and understands a competition.
Great drag with the corners. Eliminate the driver errors. More drag races should be like this.
$10k price difference and they have the same
powertrain. 🤔😬. That's a head scratcher.
For leather seats and a lift back…
“Luxury”
Lauren is attractive no doubt but I'm not feeling that she is a car enthusiast. Not sure why I'm getting that impression. As for the race, shame on Honda. They should have engineered the Integra to beat the civic.
D!vers!ty hire for sure.
What happened to the 500 gt mustang
Awesome video, I would love to see Acura Integra CVT auto vs Honda Civic Touring CVT auto
The the Si !!! , just a fun all around car. Good price great gas mileage and fun on the curves . Good review.
Love these keep them coming.
Why civic si vs integra? Why didn’t you do civic type r and Acura integra type s?
I had an Integra and a RSX, both 5 speeds. Would have bought another one, but Acura stopped making 2 doors. Got a 2012 Civic SI Coupe instead , which I love. Hard to find a 2 door coupe with a stick. Now , the SI is no longer a 2 door.
Yes!!!!+!!! I love her already!!!!!
You're all wrong, this proved what I've been saying for a while. They ruined this chance at bringing back the Integra 100%
I like the Integra because it looks more like a luxury brand with an upgraded interior and I've always liked a 4-dr hatch. Acura just needs to make an Integra sh-awd Type-S with the Civic Type-R engine.
Integra should have had the Accord 2.0T engine with the 250hp considering the price of the Integra....
2006 called they're laughing at the 3 hp increase in 17 years and the 6500 redline vs 8500. 2.0 vs 1.5 too what a joke....
What’s the torque band look like between the two?
@@ALMX5DP who the F cares you want torque get V8 for the price of these two cars you're paying 40k anyway 😆 🤣 😂
@@BitcoinTo150K it was a simple question since you seemed to want to nit pick the details between the two.
maybe the old guy was a better driver but the si still has better performance bc its way lighter
Love U Drag, keep these coming!
Good launch make a big difference. Can't wait for the type R against the type S in the future
More U drags and more Lauren McCay please!!
Its almost like 2 of the same cars came down to driver error lol 😅 Lauren is a great Host
I am getting rid of my '18 Si, only because I can't make a phone call because of extreme static that suddenly arose and we can't find the source. The only consideration for the Integra is the Si doesn't have heated seats, a must for this old guy in the north. If the Integra had a touch more power, or something that really made it a better performmer, I wouldn't have a problem paying the premium, but no, I will probably be looking at something outside the Honda family now.
love these! Civic SI is $10k cheaper, better looking, has better seats, and comes with proper tires meaning you would need to spend another grand or two on summer tires for the Integra. Acura is just a marketing company at this point and is very irrelevant. Get the better Honda in the Civic SI.
You pay a premium for the Acura name. Acura should apply AT LEAST a bit of enhanced tuning performance for the extra $$$.
I need to see a U-Drag race with Giulia Quadrifoglio going up against the Ct5-V Blackwing.
Why not put summer tires on the Integra as well then?
It doesn’t come with summer tires as standard like the Si. And it’s already 8k more! It should have the 2.0l from the Accord in it.
@@TML34 that’ll probably be for an Integra Type S or something.
It'll probably come for the Integra Type S.
Either way, if you swapped the summer tires on the Integra from the Civic Si and put the All-Season tires on the Civic Si from the Integra, I think the results would be the same.
Kirk would still win and Jonathan would lose even more. LOL! But seriously, Kirk driving both cars even with tire swaps would still be a win for each of those cars in his possession. Like people have been saying, it's the driver.
This was a great comparison! I enjoyed it, but the lady made it a lot better!😎👍🏿. The Launch was bad with the Acura the first time, but second time was great! It all boils down to the driver. Tires play a big roll in performance.
It was absolutely the driver skill imo. He out maneuvered him in both cars. Very nice 😌
37k for a slower same car 37k for a name for a car that dont have the pedigree or look of the integra we loved. At first i understood it couldn't be designed like the original so i stood up for it after all all the hate for those reasons. but i thought being acura it has to stand out in loks somewhat ehich it is not. Performance needs to be way better than the civic si. interior looks power integra is not worth price.
I'm alright with it. Gives options depending on what someone might want, and this is a performance version of a Civic compared to what is essentially the base model of the Integra line (hopefully).
Your response is what's wrong with so called car enthusiasts.....1. The Integra was ALWAYS just a slightly nicer civic, it also ALWAYS had slow 4 door versions in the states and it also NEVER competed with actual luxury cars. It was always compared to cars like the GTI. So this whole it doesn't have the pedigree is silly and shows you and those that like your comment know nothing about Integras or cars. You also mention an expensive car being slower.....silly comment price and speed don't always go hand in hand a heavier car with the same engine of course wouldn't be as fast. Clearly based om this test it comes down to the driver.
@@ftr911drvr You have a point, but those aren't the Integra models people loved and car enthusiasts loved. But I agree with the civic comparison. Regardless most car enthusiasts don't see what's so special about the car when its advertised as being very sporty and premium when its a Si thats more fancy. Maybe a Type S version could change our minds.
That Integra isn't worth it. With the N cars from hyundai coming in at 33-35k with way more performance still less money and the civic very close for nearly 10k less this is a car that just doesn't make sense at all. And for something approaching 40k there are a tons of options that are more attractive around that price. Hell... A base camero 2ss is only 5k more than that Integra.. It seriously pains me to say that it's a real flop. And I'm a real honda acura fan!
@@ftr911drvr honestly my main problem is price. $37k is Type R money for Si Performance. Especially since after adjusting for inflation, the DC2 was sold for what would be $38k in today's money
If you’re younger than 25, get the Si, otherwise get the Integra. More room, leather seats, better suspension, with a hatch.
There's more room in the Integra?
@@ALMX5DP , no they are on the same platform.
@@reesee175 no with hatch there is more room it's a inch wider almost 6 inches longer you can feel it in the interior which is bigger them a TLX especially in back seat
Let's try civic si vs the world..... Gli, forte gt, Elantra N line, Corolla apex, civic touring, Sentra Sr, Mazda 3, brz, gr86.... everything in that price range since the average American car enthusiast can afford those
2020 Si all day. Please race a 10th gen Si vs 11th gen (22’) Si please! Would be neat to see that
I think the 10th gen would win easily
@@NaijaBull the tenth gen would win.
Technically I won’t say the Civic is better when it is basically the same vehicle but the Acura has more luxurious touches. I really am not an Acura fan but I love this Integra.
U said it yourself they are practically the same vehicle. So why would u spend almost 10k more for the acura.
@@notsure3535 I prefer the style of the Acura which is why the vehicle exists, to appeal to different people. Same for most other brands and models. They share platforms and powertrains amongst other vehicles but with a different design. Not every design works for everyone no matter how similar they are underneath.
@@Alex-vc5dr true. If the extra cost is worth it to u. Then do your thing.
Holy crap those cars are slow for 2022 standards.
edit: theyre slow for 2006 standards. when a bone stock 2006 si would annihilate them both. roflhonda
Please do the N-Line and the Si, Carlegion already did this, but the U race is a bit more interesting
I compare the civic sport touring hatch closer to the integra more than a si. Thx for offering a loaded hatch 6sp
More U drags please!!!!
Showing that two closely spec'd cars have greater variance in driver skill and execution. That's the variable that matters most. Summer tires are just a stop away at the tire store but in the real world, on real streets in all kinds of weather, all-season tires make more sense for more people. They'll cost less, perform better in all conditions, and usually last longer. Your choice.
More more more U Drag. This is brilliant.