Integra upgrades and differences from US Civic I traded my Civic Si (2020) for a 2024 6-speed Integra. Below are the differences between the 2024 Integra 6-speed and the Civic Si that helped sway my decision. As you can see below, there are way more differences (at least 50) than are spoken of in any TH-cam videos. Hope this helps those of you trying figure out the differences. BTW, as a former Si driver, I have ZERO regrets. The Integra retains the fun-factor of my Si, but also gives me all the premium upgrades I was missing-such a great real-world daily driver. Features not available on ANY ‘24 Civic trim level: 1. Every body panel unique to Integra 2. 5.3” color windshield Heads Up Display 3. 16 Speaker ELS Studio 3D system 4. Microsuede front seats 5. 12-way power driver seat with lumbar 6. Walk-up/welcome lighting feature 7. Lighted exterior door handles (all 4) 8. Lighted interior door handles (front) 9. Ambient LED footwell lights 10. Ambient LED door accent 11. 4 drive modes (including individual) 12. Aluminum bezel around shift boot 13. Adaptive suspension (3 settings) 14. 2-driver memory (seat & mirrors) 15. Auto slide driver seat upon exit 16. Beefier horn (Yes!!! Thank you) beep-beep vs meep-meep 17. Acura specific turn signal click 18. Unique “Jewel Eye” LED headlights 19. Longer warranties (both years & miles) 20. More rigid chassis 21. Standard trim-level door sill badges 22. Trim-level on steering wheel 23. Frameless rear view mirror (auto-dim) 24. Leather ctr console trim (knee guard) 25. Unique shift knob (flat vs rounded) 26. Diamond pattern vents (vs honeycomb) 27. Gloss (vs flat black) B and C pillar 28. Wider, longer body 29. Heated side mirrors w/ signals & reverse tilt feature 30. Full LED ext lighting (incl rear turn sig) 31. Full LED int lighting (incl hatch area) 32. WiFi hotspot 33. Functional side air vents on bumper 34. More sound dampening material 35. Acura cam cover 36. Form fit battery blanket Features not available on the ‘24 Civic Si: 1. Parking sensors front & rear 2. Rain-sensing wipers 3. Power passenger seat 4. Dual zone auto climate control 5. Liftback design w/ more cargo space 6. Full 10.2” digital instrument cluster 7. Leather door trim 8. Rear USB outlets 9. Fog lights 10. Heated seats 11. Qi Wireless phone charging mat 12. Alexa built-in 13. Sunglasses holder 14. Different tuning (according to Acura)
This is exactly the review I was waiting for. Everyone dismisses the Integra as a fancied up Civic Si (which isn't unwarranted), but it's nice to see a deeper look into the differences and similarities, from someone who has actually lived with an Si for a few months.
@@777_callum It also came in a two door coupe which will not be offered from Acura Which was what everybody was expecting. The majority don’t like it and that’s a fact. It looks like 4 door egg. 💩 taste if you like this thing.
Picked up an Integra 6-speed last week and thoroughly enjoying it! Great balance of engagement/fun, tech/features, livable suspension, and quality feel. (Also, do not pay above MSRP. You can find plenty of dealers not marking this car up, if you’re willing to drive a couple hours out of your way)
@Sly Rax Absolutely 👍🏻 There are a lot of good options to consider within $30-40k new cars right now, and they all have their own trade-offs and compromises once you spec them out similarly. In its segment, the Integra was most appealing overall package to me
@Sly Rax thanks 👍🏻 And actually I’d say Tedward’s new video posted today about daily driving the Integra is an accurate/realistic reference point for what it’s like to commute with this car. I’d recommend watching that if you’re considering switching out from your ‘21 Insight
The Integra is more in line with the Civic Touring I think, and if you look at the market prices for those, they're relatively the same price as what dealers are asking for the Integra. I don't think it's fair to say it's so much more expensive than the Civic, when the Civics are so marked up it's not even worth it to get one.
@@stms4411 are you saying MSRP for an Integra ? I did and it's one of the reasons I went with the Integra. SI's and i guess civic tourings are going around the same price. It's not a 10k difference as most reviewers are stating.
this is completely off-topic but positioning the cars so that they're facing each other and the pointing the camera at the one you're talking about somehow cracks me up.
I'm still thinking about going up to Ontario, buying an Si, and bringing it back to the US. After all the money spent, I might still be spending a few thousand less than I would for an Integra here.
its a tough comparison honestly because one is FWD and the other is AWD, id see the GR corolla better compared to like, the golf R or focus RS, while the civic type R is more comparable to (granted we dont have it here in the US) the Renault Megane R.S. would be good to see both the GR corolla and civic type R in the same video though with their aggressive styling
@@bossplayerunit4563 It’s a great comparison. All are hot hatches (FL5 debatably to be honest), similarly priced, and the previous generation Type R met and often exceeded the Golf R and RS on the track.
I've been binging your reviews since I found your channel. One thing I appreciate that you do whereas a lot of other big car review channels don't is you speak about real life prices. Very few people are paying MSRP for these cars in 2022. So markups matter and that can make or break a sale.
Great comparison! For those who may not know they share the same chassis as well. Honestly, for me, the ILX now became the Integra that still carrying that K powa! But missing the 6 speed 😕
Tedward, you mentioned the base Camry from the 90's. That 1990-94 generation Camry was a beige creation that was at every mall and community college. A decent number of those old Camrys are still going. Granted that 30 year old cars will have wear and tear that is combated by regular maintenance. But mechanically speaking, the beige base 1992 Camry will never die. Toyota made them "too well."
I drive a 1999 Toyota corolla VE also known as "Value Edition" . it has a 1.8L 4cyl mated to a 5 speed manual transmission. yes a 90s corolla with a manual trans. 0-60 in 6 seconds with 310,000 miles on the odometer. yes that's right 310k miles and still runs like a top. yes as mr. tedward mentioned, I do have to use a key to lock and unlock the doors. I do have to reach across to unlock and lock other doors, as well as roll up and down crank windows. The only way to open the trunk is with a key, no latch on the inside to open it. the wipers have 3 speeds low med and high, the list goes on. That thing has been my daily for 5 years now and has given me no issues over the 130k miles I've put on it so far. bought it 2nd hand from an older gentleman who bought it new for 9k in July of 1999. he handed me a folder of all the maintenance that was ever done to the car. it was all fluid changes with the exception of all 4 new wheel bearings not long before I bought it. I bought the car for 700 bucks because the clutch was starting to fade. got home after a 3 hour drive and swapped a new clutch kit in, a new rear main seal while I'm there and she was ready to be back on the road 3 days later. I keep adding to that vanilla folder as the previous owner did. however I do my own work so its just notebook paper with logs of what I've done.(all fluid changes, air filters, tires and a clutch job.)
I think, in the same way they held back on the features with the SI from last generation to this, they held back on the features with the Integra for the mid-cycle refresh.
As right now my car is at car service, some crazy truck driver hit me while changing lanes in a high traffic, with minor dmg to be fixed and I am really missing driving, these videos really help man :D Keep up the good work
The Canadian version of the Si is still the clear winner in basically every way. Wish we could get that version in the US even if it cost a little bit more.
Great video Tedward! As an Acura Integra A Spec w/ Tech package 6MT owner it is such a great vehicle! The ELS 3D Studio Sound System is out of this world and the adaptive dampers is a great feature. Half of the time I ride in comfort mode lol. But I tried to get the Si for a while now and the markups here in Colorado are crazy so I settled and got the Integra and taught myself how to drive stick in it too! Again, great comparison video!
Exactly!!! Everyone ignores the sometimes insane markups Honda dealers are doing. I know a guy who paid $12k markup for an SI. My Integra is at MSRP therefore cheaper, but with all the lux.
Definitely love my 2022 cdn Si. I sell Acura’s and have driven the Integra numerous times. I like the A-Spec Elite Platinum in Canada. The sound system is much better than the Bose system and the ride can be made smoother. I’m fine with the Si ride and I like the seats better. I also feel the Si handles better. It’s really a great machine.
What I got from this review is that if Acura offered a base 6-speed version of the Integra with no options it would be the Si and since Honda already has that covered there’s no need for the redundancy and cost of an entry level option that already exist.
Great review! I think the "not a fast car" depends on what you are coming from. You regularly drive 3-400 HP cars so your perspective MAY differ from someone looking to upgrade from a 5 speed Manual 2009 Civic with 230K miles and 140 HP. I've driven it for 13 years. I'm looking for manual Trans, improved performance. I was considering the Si but being late in middle age might appreciate the adaptive dampers. :-) I'm considering the BMW 228 as a stretch purchase. I want LTD or AWD. I bought the 86 Integra liftback new- with its amazing 113 HP! The 90 I bought had 130 but was NOT as fun to drive. Looks like this IS fun to drive and more comfortable for long drives! Not enough power? Got me looking at VW alternatives-but they are rated much lower in reliability. So back to the Integra-OR a 2020 Si? BTW: I saw the Topher's night drive video in his new Type R. NIIIICE. I'd love to drive one-but I don't ever expect to push such a beast to its limits! I AM hung up on 6 second Zero to 60 though. I guess there's tuning, putting in a beefier clutch etc.
This was awesome. I am not interested in either car here, but I like hearing and watching your reviews regardless. It makes me curious on your thoughts of the Golf R versus Audi S3 - very similar situation with those two cars as the Honda and Acura!
Without even driving them, I can tell you that the S3 is a much better choice for a daily if you can spare the cash, purely because of how much of a disaster the Golf's UI is. But, since the R can be had with a manual, it's probably the better choice for an enthusiast occasion car since you won't have to deal with the UI every day.
@@tyler9703 This is true. As a former Mk7 GTI owner, one of my favorite aspects of that car was how nicely laid-out the interior was. Seems VW went the opposite direction this time.
@@tyler9703 every person I’ve talked to that actually owns that car says it’s not that big of a deal. Also people online who actually own it say it’s not going to kill the experience. Seems like one of those reviewers overplayed
@tedward Literally called me out! Currently driving an infiniti g37 and tired of the atrocious gas mileage (and heavy car). Have a deposit on an integra, just waiting for Acura to notify me when it will be built.
What's really frustrating is the amount of cost cutting. The obvious with the Si being that we don't get a loaded version the way they do in Canada and it's weird how the rear seats aren't red when they are in a 9th gen Si. And the Integra should definitely have rear heated seats and should have ventilated seats. Plus no rear vents for a $37k car. They both seem like really nice cars, but there's no reason to skimp out the way they did.
Love your reviews - lots of information, delivered clearly and with humour and enthusiasm. I was particularly interested in this one because I have a Canadian spec Si, and wanted to see how it holds up against the Integra. While I am tempted by the nicer and apparently quieter Acura interior and the adjustable suspension, I'll stick with our Si. Those advantages and the heads up display are nice, but they aren't enough to justify the Integra's higher price, given that our Si has virtually all of the other features you mention as potentially justifying the cost difference vis a vis the US model (e.g.fog lights, parking sensors, turn signals in the mirrors, fully digital instrument display, shift lights, rain sensing wipers, auto-dimming lights, auto-dimming mirror, remote garage door opener and remote home security buttons on the mirror, sunglasses holder, dual zone climate control, heated front AND rear seats, heated steering wheel, navigation system, wireless connectivity and charging for cell phones in the front, two USB jacks for those in the back seats, and a spare tire with jack). If I want leather seats I can always get Katzkins.
Yup, I have the 2023 Canadian si and going to Acura doesn't justify the price increase. In the US, I'd say the Acura is probably worth it to some degree
40K car and it doesn't even have rear AC vents in a 4 DOOR sedan. My Coupe with pretty much useless back seats has 4 AC vents and an independent climate zone in the rear. That would be a deal breaker for people with big dogs like myself.
What a great video, thanks. The little bits that make all the difference for me are hatch(!), sunglasses holder, heated suede/leather, lumbar adjust, memory seat, ELS, adjustable dampers, individual mode. The misses I think are no rear vents, no cooled seats, could be quieter.
I love both of these cars. I hated the 10th gen Civic beyond words, so to me the 11th gen is a breath of fresh air. I also love the Integra, just based on looks, but I don't know that I could spend $40k on a car THAT slow. I know there is more to cars than out right speed, but damn. The Civic Si just seems like the better buy.
Lol 10th gen Si is so much better ..they took away heated seats, fog lights, shift lights, temp gauge, dual zone climate, and have it less horsepower while charging way more
@@brokentradgedy they took those things away so they could actually build the car. The chip shortage is a real thing that changed a lot of manufacturing. The 10th gen is hideous and that alone makes it the second worse generation in my opinion.
@@brokentradgedy totally agree. 11th gen also adds mandatory awful boomer tech that takes away from pure driving experience. I don't want car queefing at me bc i swerved over the center line. 11th gen has auto start/shut off which is no bueno for turbo charged motors and hideous red seats
Would be interesting to see Civic Touring vs Integra A-spec Technology with CVT. Bought a ‘22 Civic Touring recently for just under 30K and other than the adaptive dampers and HUD, the features are basically the same for 7 grand less. The only negative is the Civic is atrociously loud with the stock Goodyear tires.
It's loud no matter what tires you put on it as the insulation is awful on the Civics unlike the Integra. But wow what a great deal what dumb ass dealer sold you one for under 30k I assume it's just a boring CVT. They keep selling for 35k easy because they are rare.
Soooo many vids talk about the heat the shifters give off in summer weather. I agree BUT, years ago I simply bought a golf club cover that I keep handy in hot weather. My 2007 Honda civic si v-tech coupe has that hot shifter, so if I park and grocery shop for 45 minutes to an hour, the sun isn't heating it up to the branding point. Instead, it's just warm.
I gotta go with the SI, I love the integra but I just don't need the luxurious stuff. All I care about is driving experience and a few small things like CarPlay.
I have a majestic black with red interior as spec tech pack. I drive the car a lot I had it for a year and eight months and now has 30,000 miles I don’t know about the SI but my exhaust pops and gurgles. Love this car ❤
Nothing wrong with a fancier Civic Si, people! The MSRP gap is really wide, but in reality, a non-marked up Si is hard to come by, and if you can get an Integra for MSRP, the extras might feel like more of a good deal when you're talking a $3-4K gap (as opposed to, say, $9K). Of course, your mileage may vary -- maybe you're one of the lucky ones who has a line on an Si without a dealer markup. ;) For better or for worse, if a Canadian-spec Si were available to us, we might be having a much different conversation -- heated seats, wireless charging, shift lights, full digital display would all be available, and suddenly, an Integra doesn't seem to offer a ton more (at least on paper). Sadly though, that's not the case for U.S. buyers. Ultimately, I think you gotta figure out what is or isn't important to you, and what you can get a reasonable deal on, and go from there. Both seem like pretty fantastic cars to me.
It's just like the current generation WRX: not much wrong with it, but nothing particularly spectacular to my eyes either (but hey, at least the WRX has AWD). When you consider that this price segment is already highly competitive and there are plenty of other options out there that have better offerings (in my opinion), it's a legitimate concern to have for the future of this lineup in terms of sales. Add to the fact that Honda/Acura is pretty much self-cannibalizing either way when the Si already exists. I wouldn't deter anyone from getting this car though if they can get one and want one; it doesn't seem like a bad car overall.
11th Gen... Wish it had adaptive dampers. But the fact they added better torque, immaculate interior exterior styling, better shifter, hard to walk away from that car for 30k
Your comparing it to the Canadian Si which they only made about 1k of its really about the refinement as the Integra is much quieter to drive. The Si and touring are loud.
Excellent review! I’ve owned both an ILX and now a 10th Gen Si sedan. I’m honestly disappointed in Honda. They stopped production on the Si for a full year, and stopped updating the ILX years ago. The new cars don’t improve the formula significantly. In fact, some aspects are worse than on my Si (ie, HP, fuel economy, heated seat deleted, etc). I would consider the Integra, but not until it has built a bigger gap to the Si (Type-S anyone?!?). Not in a hurry as my 🚙 Si is still so much fun to drive!
The lack of hood struts is so crazy to me. I feel like those are pretty standard in regular sedans but not this luxury one? Doesn't the Accord have hood struts?
They didn't get hood struts because parts shortages just like it didn't get prototype rear heated seats and navigation. I expect when they refresh this in 2 to 3 years you will see alot of added features that didn't make the production car included rear heated seats.
I never want hood struts and Hands does it perfectly where there are two pitches. I worked on a six year old car less than a week ago whose struts were already shot. They may seem more premium, but not when you then have to use a stick to keep the hood open.
Not having hood struts is a great feature! Few parts are as likely to randomly break and give you a concussion in two years while essentially doing absolutely nothing to benefit your ownership experience.
I still feel like Honda intentionally removed the heated seats the auto ac and the adaptive dampers from the 11th gen SI compared to the 10th so the integra looks more premium, Even though the 11th gen has less features then the 10th it still costs the same.
It does not cost the same they stripoed it and now charge more for less. It did get rev match lighter fly wheel better manual much better dash and infotainment better style, but is slower and has less power. In most tests i have seen. Although virtually everyone say it drives so much better so much mire control and refinement fun and enjoyable although sime did say the shocks are very stiff. They did in america at least, stripped out a tin if features and rsised the price $2300. In canada they just stripped out the dampers which are alone to install about $2000 but they added a tin if features to make up for it and its less than the usa stripped model. At current exchange rates. The usa was disrespected, i was surprised even the acuras lack dampers until you spend $8000 more fir thevtoo model, and Integra with auto dont get a real auto they get a cvt and no LSD but the full digital dash. Even at $36k ouch.
@@Tigerex966 they only made about 1k Si's this year in Canada because of the chip shortage and parts shortages that why the US Si didn't get most of the Canadian model Si features. Its not because of Integra as they sell the exact same car in Canada vs the Si.
@@robertblack6630 except for the fact that the Civic Touring in the US lost no features at all and had only a modest 500 dollar increase in price and is produced in far greater numbers than the Si. That pretty much takes the chip issue away. If the Integra didn’t exist the Si would have more features, period.
Thank you so much for this review, it's exactly what I was looking for! I had a 22 Si that I loved, but I got crashed into and it got totaled, and I've been toying with the idea of replacing it with the Acura. Mainly for the active suspension, but there are just so many little niceties, I think you've sold me on the Integra. Funny, now that I think about it, it was your videos that sold me on the Si also... Thanks!
Great review. As someone who owns a civic hatch sport touring I’d say that is the car to compare to the technology integra if I’m completely honest. The tech in both cars is very similar, integra has an advantage with the dampers, a usb c (which no one mentions), hud, and more seat adjustments. The interior in my opinion is nicer in the Honda, I feel like the vents in the Acura were a shortcut to make it different from the Honda, just doesn’t look right to me how it’s broken up. Also the leather seats on the Honda don’t hold as much heat on hot days as the leather/micro suede combo which is notorious for being hot, and personally I think the Honda seats look better overall. The question you have to ask yourself, is the integra a spec technology worth the extra money compared to the civic ST? I may be biased but I don’t think those extras justify the price. I paid 34k for my civic after taxes with a few minor accessories added (all season mats, cargo tray, cargo net, seat back protector, and protection film). I’d imagine the top of the line integra is close to if not 40k. Another factor is gas. Everyone has different needs but better mpgs on the civic and regular gasoline vs premium for the integra. With gas prices now, who would want to jump into a premium fuel car right now? I sold my WRX because personally, it was too much. It really boils down to what you value, the Honda is an excellent value for the money, the integra is a head turner beauty of a car, the Honda is a little more reserved but still nice looking compared to competitors in the segment. Based on looks alone I’d place it third in the affordable hatch category behind the Mazda 3 hatch and integra. But again it’s all personal preference. Can’t go wrong with either car honestly and if you can afford the top of the line integra go for it, it’s just not the better value in my opinion.
Hey just want to chime in and let you know the integra actually doesn’t require premium. Also the LSD for me is why I went with the integra over a sport touring. Both great cars
How has the Civic HB ST been treating you? I have a deposit down for a 2023 manual due at the end of February (currently leasing a 2020 Civic Sport HB manual). I'm pretty much set on the Civic but couldn't help peeking over at the Integra A-SPEC and just saw a used 2023 one in my area for a used one with under 100 miles with a price comparable to a new Civic - perhaps I shouldn't compared new to used though.... In any case, wondering how you experience has been with the Civic. One thing I see people talking about as a difference is the better noise dampening of the Integra, which is to be expected. How is the sound dampening in your Civic? I feel I don't mind my current Civic's road noise too much and probably will just tune out the new one's road noise as well, but still wondering how the new one performs. Also, how has the overall fit and finish been with the Civic - any issues?
@@ThunderShoe I’ve loved every minute of it so far. With now 7k on the odometer I haven’t had any problems with the car. It has enough power and great mpgs, I’ve been averaging 34 city 38-40 hwy. There’s never been a situation where I said to myself “I wish this thing had more pickup” and I drive in congested areas of southern NY where traffic and merging can be a nightmare. My routine service has been a breeze at the dealership too, something I can’t say about the Subaru dealership I used to go to. As far as road noise is concerned, I came from a 2012 WRX, so the civic is a huge improvement. From what I’ve read in articles and on forums, it seems the new civic is a little quieter than last gens, but I cannot confirm. What could help is new tires in the future. The continentals that come with the car aren’t the smoothest riding tires, so once you get your mileage out of them I would do some research for quieter tires on tire rack or something. As far as fit and finish, I haven’t had any major issues. Most of them are nitpicks if anything. The most concerning of them was the drivers door wasn’t flush by like half a centimeter with the rear drivers. I fixed it by adjusting the door catch (two phillips head screws) and now it’s perfect. There are a few moldings on the bottom of the windows that don’t line up perfectly, and some uneven hood gap along the front bumper, and panel gap along the sides of the hood, but again, it’s more nitpicks than anything. The hood gap I was able to fix by adjusting (turning) the the rubber stoppers along the engine bay. There have been no issues inside the car, a few creaks and squeaks near the infotainment display, but they have stopped with what I assume to be a break-in period, everything seems to have settled and expanded where I don’t hear anything anymore. All in all the car has been amazing. Don’t let my nitpicks deter you from your purchase. I’m anal and go looking for issues, I’m sure 98% of people wouldn’t even notice those things. There are times I wish I would have gotten a manual, but with a new baby and my wife with no experience driving standard in the event she has to drive, I went with the cvt. Still great, but the manual will probably be an even better experience for you. If you’re still undecided, this video pretty much sealed the deal for me! th-cam.com/video/iwViYhMfWWI/w-d-xo.html Hope this helps you 🤙🏼
@@fdurdenc I super appreciate your insights and the experiences you've shared - I'll stick with the Civic! I drive in eastern MA and the traffic patterns I typically encounter seem similar to those you experience. I also have a similar situation with a baby on the way and a wife with no manual transmission driving experience. Actually, she has no driving experience, but we are planning for her to learn beggining in the next year or so. She's willing to take a shot at learning to drive stick, but whether or not that works out, we'll probably look to add a second car that's an auto/CVT. I'm thinking of the new Civic as potentially the last manual I'll have for a long long time. Makes me sad that they're becoming so rare, especially in the more affordable segment of the car market. One more somewhat subjective question: Do you happen to have a spoiler/wing and/or window visors on your Civic? If so, what's your experience with them been like? Re: the spoiler, I like the look of the HPD version but not sure my wife would appreciate going that aggressive, so I'm considering an aftermarket one that's more subtle. As for the visors, I like the look but am also wondering whether they are worth the investment. Thanks again for all of your input!
@@ThunderShoe No problem and congratulations on the newest addition to your family! I didn’t opt for the HPD package, personally I didn’t like the style or placement of the wing, the molded in lip on the hatch lid is sporty enough imo. Also, the front lip is just two gloss black covers that go over the bottom corners of the bumper, it’s not a true lip. These covers also cover the paint under the fog light housing which makes the bumper look sloppy to me. I don’t have window visors either, the only thing I did to the car in that respect is a chrome delete overlay on the chrome trim above the windows. I hate chrome and prefer the matte black over the windows that is on the sport trim of the civic. You can search for “Avery Dennison 2022 civic hatchback chrome delete” (should show a blue civic as the thumbnail)
The tilt down passenger side mirror in reverse. On my TSX wagons, the L/R mirror switch has to be in the R position or that might side mirror doesn't tilt down. You've probably already tried it on your Is but just in case.... GREAT VIDEO!
But pretty remarkable how light they are despite that. This 4 door Integra is only 200 lbs heavier than a 2001 Integra GSR 2 door coupe. And despite being the size of a 3 series, it is 1000 lbs lighter than a 340 or G70! That is phenomenal and this will be a fun car in the corners.
Integra is more on par with 2020 Civic Si which has adaptive dampers, LSD, heated seats. New Gen SI took a step back from previous generations, yet cost more money and have less power. Shame, I will be keeping my 2020 SI, no 23 for me.
Tedward, you mentioned that the Integra NVH was noticeably lower than the Si's. Can you please comment on the difference between the Hatchback Sport Touring vs. the Si? I'm considering one of the three vehicles and am wondering if the Integra price premium is worth it.
I think the sport touring gave me the same level of Nvh as the si. I remember saying that when I drove it in Washington. Acura definitely quiets it down
If you don't have cooled seats cloth is the only way to go if you live somewhere with hot summers. A buddy had a black Audi with black leather inside, absolute hell!
Hondata dyno tested both cars and found that the stock Integra generates 234 horsepower at the wheel (meaning about 250 HP at the crank). Honda is understating horsepower for both cars in its marketing and no one understands why.
And yet ppl still complain about it being underpowered. The old Integra type r made about 195 hp (as what Honda advertised) then. If only that price hike wasn’t so big. I’d probably get one
@@ctrikz_tk8745 sad thing what it appears purposely hurt the integra 0-60 time is the added larger gears with 4.35 gear ratio which in 2017 to 2019 was 4.10 gear ratio so you could hit 62 mph in second. The purposely made it so the car has to shift to 3rd in a 0 to 60 killing it to 7 second when its really is a low 6 second car. This also hurts it in the 1/4 mile. Remember the new Si and Integra now have vtec for exhaust that 2017 to 2020 1.5t models didn't have except in the Accord causing moisture to build up in the oil. I'm guessing they did this for insurance issues but the car way more powerful then my old coupe 2019 Si even though that's 270 lbs lighter
It's simple if you have over 200 hp or hit 200lbs of torque your insurance will sky rocketed it will have a rate similar to a Type R. They found it has 234 hp and 230 lbs of torque at the wheels stock. Now with a simple hondata stock tune you can add only 4 hp but 28 lbs of torque making this a 260 hp and 280 lbs of torque at the crank car. The Si can't make the same hp or especially torque anything over 250lbs at the crank with stock clutch. So something different with the Integra just people only see the basic info Honda supplied. Just drive it and it's noticeably better tune with really bad all season tires that don't stick.
I saw the same video and found it very informative. Just a slight correction it was 236 HP. I drove this Integra. It felt quick enough to me and the ride was awesome. I’ve driven a ton of cars doing research and the combination of features, performance, looks, gas mileage and reliability make this a top choice.
I have Orchid interior no need for for cooled seats for me but Again that was because of the chip shortage as the prototype had both heated and cooled seats expect this to be added when refreshed in 2 to 3 years. Also you will this become a hybrid in the tech package
@@goarcherb Hell, the Accord Touring has cooled seats and heated rear seats and it's about the same MSRP, faster engine as well. But no manual anymore :(
If you watch a review on the Canadian Si, it is annoying what got left off the US model. I'd be curious to know if that was an intentional marketing ploy to further separate the Si from the Integra, or due to the chip shortage. (Would be interesting to see if there is a Canadian version of the Integra, and if/how it differs.) Good review. Looks like a lot of extras packed onto the Integra, but not sure it is $ 8k worth. It is the usual marketing thing - make you buy the higher end to get a few features you want, plus a whole lot of other stuff that really wasn't that important to you. I faced that decision to a lesser degree when I bought my /17 BRZ - Limited vs Premium. I was able to option the dimming mirrors and home link (garage door opener in my rearview mirror), and you can do that on either. However the Performance Pack that year was only available on the Limited. I happened to find one with Performance Pack (a bargain - wider wheels, Brembo brakes, Sachs dampers for $ 1200). Probably the biggest difference for daily use is Limited has push button start and the entry system where you can leave the key in your pocket. With the current car shortage and dealer mark-ups, I'm happy to not be in the market right now, but enjoy following current offerings. I wonder how hard it would be for folks to buy a Si in Canada? It's only a half day drive from where I live, and I see Tedward is in New England.
Definitely not the chip shortage as the loaded and more heavily produced Civic Touring lost zero features and came with only a very modest price increase. Si lost a lot of features and gained a 2000+ price increase. Hard to understand.
“Luxury” branded civic that not only does not have heated rear seats but doesn’t even have rear seat a.c. vents. CHEAP! One seat pocket. This integra does not come off like an entry level “luxury” car. You said it correctly, premium civic. That’s all it is. Not a bad car, obviously, but not enough of a difference to make one pony up the extra balloons. Subjective, of course.
The passenger mirror goes down because it is selected on the driver door. If you put the switch in the middle it won't go down. At least, that's how it worked on my 2019 Ridgeline. Not sure if that will work on the Si, though.
I went to buy a civic si 4 months ago and they said the wait was about 8 months and after everything it was like 35k….. so misleading from the 27k lol might as well just get the integra unless the markups have gone down since then
I just bought a ‘24 Si - I thoroughly researched both cars, test drove both cars and the integra doesn’t come close to offering a good value proposition for the extra $8-10k. People say the integra is just a civic with slightly nicer features…bc it’s true. The ONLY objective advantage the integra has over the Si is that it comes with a hatchback. The Bose sound system isn’t as good as the ELS system in the integra, but it’s not that big of a deal, especially for the price premium. The Si feels straight up better from a driving experience, somehow to me the integra feels very large when driving and the steering is lighter and not nearly as connected as the Si. The “luxury” features in the integra just aren’t anywhere near worth an extra $8-10k. In fact the Si has better seats since they’re both cloth anyway, just with some lame faux leather inserts which actually makes it look cheaper. Dealer markups are pretty much a thing of the past now in spring / summer ‘24, interesting the Acura dealer was indicated much more willingness to discount the car - the dealership offered $1500 off MSRP, and Acura themselves added another $1000 discount - but even at a $6-7k price premium over the Si I still couldn’t see the justification. The Si is just an overall better car for its purpose. If you’re going to pay nearly $40k for a car how can you possibly justify a 1.5L Turbo making 200HP??? With cloth seats, the same civic platform, just slightly better sound system (marginally better) heated seats (only in front!) a heads up display which mainly only shows MPH, wireless charging (who cares) and auto dimming rear view mirror. Heated seats are probably the only thing people really care about and would pay for. Also - the fact that the Acura dealerships are discounting the integra, tells you everything you need to know, they aren’t selling.
So just like the Si we get features in Canada that it looks like are not available in the states. We get rear heated seats on the manual top trim integra as well as heated steering wheel(unless the button just wasnt visible in this video)
The more I look at the Integra, the more I like the styling. The initial reveal soured it for me but it fits with the rest of the current lineup while having some fun elements like the rear hatch. I wonder what a modern Integra coupe would look like.
All I can say is the SI is a kids car at a lower price and the integra is a adult car for those that can afford a little more luxury and I believe looks way better than the si. I still love the 10th Gen si and sold it because I wanted a more powerful 2.0 turbo but with the world the way it is I'll take the fuel economy right now and an upgraded Acura compared to the honda
Great video as you always do! I am in search of a daily car, 4-door, manual, with better interior (NVH) and softer suspension (i.e., adaptive damper) compare to my '21 WRX. Doesn't have to be AWD, and that comes to '23 Acura Integra or MK8 GTI-autobahn around 38 - 40k price range. Could you please comment on the NVH and suspension stiff/soft difference between the Integra and the GTI? Or even make a video to compare these two. I think they are, as hot hatches, pretty comparable in terms of daily driving.
Used 2/3 series or civic SI are your only options it sounds like. I just went through the same purchasing decision, wanted a gr86 but my family is growing. Ended up with a 22 SI. When I tell you I love this car, it really is a car to fall in love it, so much soul and perfect amount of creature comforts. Look into it dude
I would really like to have been a fly on the wall at Acura when the decision to go with a CVT was made. "Well ladies and gentlemen, it's time to decide on which transmission to fit to our glorious ressurection of the legendary Integra" *engineer speaks up* "sir we have our dual clutch that was used in the previous ILX and other models available, or our excellent corporate 10 speed conventional auto, its going to be tough to deci.." *chairman cuts him off* "So CVT it is then! any objections?" *crickets*🙈🙈
@@bossplayerunit4563 If only Honda was a large car company with engineers who could adapt their own transmissions to work with their own engines. There is nothing magical about a DCT, it is essentially a manual transmission with 2 computer controlled clutches. But ok, lets say the DCT would be too costly to adapt to the 1.5 for reasons of it not being strong enough for the torque a turbo engine makes (or whatever), what about the 10 speed auto used by the Accord (and other Acura products) with the 2.0 turbo making more hp/tq than the 1.5t of the Integra?
The canadian Si also gets an LCD display just like the integra! Not the hybrid analog/digital one from the american one! Other than the leather interior, hatchback, there really isn't much to drive canadians to buy the integra over the Si
Integra upgrades and differences from US Civic
I traded my Civic Si (2020) for a 2024 6-speed Integra. Below are the differences between the 2024 Integra 6-speed and the Civic Si that helped sway my decision. As you can see below, there are way more differences (at least 50) than are spoken of in any TH-cam videos. Hope this helps those of you trying figure out the differences. BTW, as a former Si driver, I have ZERO regrets. The Integra retains the fun-factor of my Si, but also gives me all the premium upgrades I was missing-such a great real-world daily driver.
Features not available on ANY ‘24 Civic trim level:
1. Every body panel unique to Integra
2. 5.3” color windshield Heads Up Display
3. 16 Speaker ELS Studio 3D system
4. Microsuede front seats
5. 12-way power driver seat with lumbar
6. Walk-up/welcome lighting feature
7. Lighted exterior door handles (all 4)
8. Lighted interior door handles (front)
9. Ambient LED footwell lights
10. Ambient LED door accent
11. 4 drive modes (including individual)
12. Aluminum bezel around shift boot
13. Adaptive suspension (3 settings)
14. 2-driver memory (seat & mirrors)
15. Auto slide driver seat upon exit
16. Beefier horn (Yes!!! Thank you) beep-beep vs meep-meep
17. Acura specific turn signal click
18. Unique “Jewel Eye” LED headlights
19. Longer warranties (both years & miles)
20. More rigid chassis
21. Standard trim-level door sill badges
22. Trim-level on steering wheel
23. Frameless rear view mirror (auto-dim)
24. Leather ctr console trim (knee guard)
25. Unique shift knob (flat vs rounded)
26. Diamond pattern vents (vs honeycomb)
27. Gloss (vs flat black) B and C pillar
28. Wider, longer body
29. Heated side mirrors w/ signals & reverse tilt feature
30. Full LED ext lighting (incl rear turn sig)
31. Full LED int lighting (incl hatch area)
32. WiFi hotspot
33. Functional side air vents on bumper
34. More sound dampening material
35. Acura cam cover
36. Form fit battery blanket
Features not available on the ‘24 Civic Si:
1. Parking sensors front & rear
2. Rain-sensing wipers
3. Power passenger seat
4. Dual zone auto climate control
5. Liftback design w/ more cargo space
6. Full 10.2” digital instrument cluster
7. Leather door trim
8. Rear USB outlets
9. Fog lights
10. Heated seats
11. Qi Wireless phone charging mat
12. Alexa built-in
13. Sunglasses holder
14. Different tuning (according to Acura)
Underrated comment. Thanks for the details.
Awesome info, thank you
Appreciate the breakdown.
Also, you don't even get an engine temp gauge on the Si.
thank you!!
This is exactly the review I was waiting for. Everyone dismisses the Integra as a fancied up Civic Si (which isn't unwarranted), but it's nice to see a deeper look into the differences and similarities, from someone who has actually lived with an Si for a few months.
Because it is... the 3xact same shit
@@whoville90 Yup well thats how the original intergra always was. Just a rebadged civic
If it was priced lower I'm sure there'd be less complaints
@Jules 😆, "decency", if you don't like it don't buy it, Honda is not morally obligated to you.
@@777_callum It also came in a two door coupe which will not be offered from Acura Which was what everybody was expecting. The majority don’t like it and that’s a fact. It looks like 4 door egg. 💩 taste if you like this thing.
Picked up an Integra 6-speed last week and thoroughly enjoying it! Great balance of engagement/fun, tech/features, livable suspension, and quality feel.
(Also, do not pay above MSRP. You can find plenty of dealers not marking this car up, if you’re willing to drive a couple hours out of your way)
My dealer nearby is thankfully not marking it up. I just wish I could afford it 🥲
@Sly Rax Absolutely 👍🏻 There are a lot of good options to consider within $30-40k new cars right now, and they all have their own trade-offs and compromises once you spec them out similarly. In its segment, the Integra was most appealing overall package to me
@Sly Rax thanks 👍🏻 And actually I’d say Tedward’s new video posted today about daily driving the Integra is an accurate/realistic reference point for what it’s like to commute with this car. I’d recommend watching that if you’re considering switching out from your ‘21 Insight
Going to be leasing one soon
@@vette6600 I couldn’t find a car at the price range at all that’s reliable.
3 people I watch Tedward, The Topher, Raiti Rides because they talk in detail and something you can follow.
Pretty hilarious that the civic didn’t carry over the red designing in the back 😂🤦♂️
It goes from si to ex 😂
The Civic with $8k cash in the trunk is much more appealing.
Yes, but a hatchback is more useful.
@@GarthGoldberg for 8 grand more?
You can do great things to a Si with 8k cash
More common to see them with markups, some as much as 10k :(
@@GarthGoldberg Yeah, but these hatchback proportions are not good. The car looks better as a sedan.
The Integra is more in line with the Civic Touring I think, and if you look at the market prices for those, they're relatively the same price as what dealers are asking for the Integra. I don't think it's fair to say it's so much more expensive than the Civic, when the Civics are so marked up it's not even worth it to get one.
I agree, I got a touring sport hatch in November and I find the Integra to be more in line feature wise with mine than the SI.
@@oookay_den did you pay close to Integra prices ?
@@Marc21j mine was just under $37k out the door
Can you readily buy an a spec integra at list?
@@stms4411 are you saying MSRP for an Integra ? I did and it's one of the reasons I went with the Integra. SI's and i guess civic tourings are going around the same price. It's not a 10k difference as most reviewers are stating.
this is completely off-topic but positioning the cars so that they're facing each other and the pointing the camera at the one you're talking about somehow cracks me up.
I'm still thinking about going up to Ontario, buying an Si, and bringing it back to the US. After all the money spent, I might still be spending a few thousand less than I would for an Integra here.
Great review! I’d love to see you compare the Type R/S vs GR Corolla when those are both available.
its a tough comparison honestly because one is FWD and the other is AWD, id see the GR corolla better compared to like, the golf R or focus RS, while the civic type R is more comparable to (granted we dont have it here in the US) the Renault Megane R.S. would be good to see both the GR corolla and civic type R in the same video though with their aggressive styling
@@bossplayerunit4563 It’s a great comparison. All are hot hatches (FL5 debatably to be honest), similarly priced, and the previous generation Type R met and often exceeded the Golf R and RS on the track.
I've been binging your reviews since I found your channel. One thing I appreciate that you do whereas a lot of other big car review channels don't is you speak about real life prices. Very few people are paying MSRP for these cars in 2022. So markups matter and that can make or break a sale.
Great comparison! For those who may not know they share the same chassis as well. Honestly, for me, the ILX now became the Integra that still carrying that K powa! But missing the 6 speed 😕
Tedward, you mentioned the base Camry from the 90's. That 1990-94 generation Camry was a beige creation that was at every mall and community college. A decent number of those old Camrys are still going. Granted that 30 year old cars will have wear and tear that is combated by regular maintenance. But mechanically speaking, the beige base 1992 Camry will never die. Toyota made them "too well."
I drive a 1999 Toyota corolla VE also known as "Value Edition" . it has a 1.8L 4cyl mated to a 5 speed manual transmission. yes a 90s corolla with a manual trans. 0-60 in 6 seconds with 310,000 miles on the odometer. yes that's right 310k miles and still runs like a top. yes as mr. tedward mentioned, I do have to use a key to lock and unlock the doors. I do have to reach across to unlock and lock other doors, as well as roll up and down crank windows. The only way to open the trunk is with a key, no latch on the inside to open it. the wipers have 3 speeds low med and high, the list goes on. That thing has been my daily for 5 years now and has given me no issues over the 130k miles I've put on it so far. bought it 2nd hand from an older gentleman who bought it new for 9k in July of 1999. he handed me a folder of all the maintenance that was ever done to the car. it was all fluid changes with the exception of all 4 new wheel bearings not long before I bought it. I bought the car for 700 bucks because the clutch was starting to fade. got home after a 3 hour drive and swapped a new clutch kit in, a new rear main seal while I'm there and she was ready to be back on the road 3 days later. I keep adding to that vanilla folder as the previous owner did. however I do my own work so its just notebook paper with logs of what I've done.(all fluid changes, air filters, tires and a clutch job.)
I think, in the same way they held back on the features with the SI from last generation to this, they held back on the features with the Integra for the mid-cycle refresh.
That flat top shift knob in the integra has been around since at least 2006, probably longer.
Man that rev hang is massive. I'm driving a 370Z and have an ND2 miata on order, for reference.
You and your civic si helped me decide which car to get. Got 15k miles on our Si now.
As right now my car is at car service, some crazy truck driver hit me while changing lanes in a high traffic, with minor dmg to be fixed and I am really missing driving, these videos really help man :D Keep up the good work
The Canadian version of the Si is still the clear winner in basically every way. Wish we could get that version in the US even if it cost a little bit more.
Great video Tedward! As an Acura Integra A Spec w/ Tech package 6MT owner it is such a great vehicle! The ELS 3D Studio Sound System is out of this world and the adaptive dampers is a great feature. Half of the time I ride in comfort mode lol. But I tried to get the Si for a while now and the markups here in Colorado are crazy so I settled and got the Integra and taught myself how to drive stick in it too! Again, great comparison video!
Exactly!!! Everyone ignores the sometimes insane markups Honda dealers are doing. I know a guy who paid $12k markup for an SI. My Integra is at MSRP therefore cheaper, but with all the lux.
@@czluver4338 yeah I paid right at MSRP for mine as well!
@@czluver4338 Why is the Integra not marked up vs the Civic?
@@EpiCxWoundsx good question, my best guess is the si badge
Got mine for sticker in Ohio, great dealership.
It's kind of weird how most of the stuff that's "better" about the Integra is already in the Canadian Civic SI
It because of the chip and part shortage since they don't make many Si's for Canada. The US got nothing but extra cost for a nothing Si.
Definitely love my 2022 cdn Si. I sell Acura’s and have driven the Integra numerous times. I like the A-Spec Elite Platinum in Canada. The sound system is much better than the Bose system and the ride can be made smoother. I’m fine with the Si ride and I like the seats better. I also feel the Si handles better. It’s really a great machine.
Do you agree the steering weight is heavier in the Integra’s normal mode? Sport mode??
More annoying than anything else.
100%
So glad you did this video because I was just given an Acura Integra without even driving it
What I got from this review is that if Acura offered a base 6-speed version of the Integra with no options it would be the Si and since Honda already has that covered there’s no need for the redundancy and cost of an entry level option that already exist.
The sticker price for the Integra is what my dealership sold our 90 mile certified Orange SI
Holy crap seriously 😳
Need a comparison with the GTI next, specifically the S trim which compares very well equipment wise with the Si
seeing them side by side really shows me how much more I like the Si design
Great review! I think the "not a fast car" depends on what you are coming from. You regularly drive 3-400 HP cars so your perspective MAY differ from someone looking to upgrade from a 5 speed Manual 2009 Civic with 230K miles and 140 HP. I've driven it for 13 years. I'm looking for manual Trans, improved performance. I was considering the Si but being late in middle age might appreciate the adaptive dampers. :-) I'm considering the BMW 228 as a stretch purchase. I want LTD or AWD. I bought the 86 Integra liftback new- with its amazing 113 HP! The 90 I bought had 130 but was NOT as fun to drive. Looks like this IS fun to drive and more comfortable for long drives! Not enough power? Got me looking at VW alternatives-but they are rated much lower in reliability. So back to the Integra-OR a 2020 Si? BTW: I saw the Topher's night drive video in his new Type R. NIIIICE. I'd love to drive one-but I don't ever expect to push such a beast to its limits!
I AM hung up on 6 second Zero to 60 though. I guess there's tuning, putting in a beefier clutch etc.
This was awesome. I am not interested in either car here, but I like hearing and watching your reviews regardless. It makes me curious on your thoughts of the Golf R versus Audi S3 - very similar situation with those two cars as the Honda and Acura!
Without even driving them, I can tell you that the S3 is a much better choice for a daily if you can spare the cash, purely because of how much of a disaster the Golf's UI is. But, since the R can be had with a manual, it's probably the better choice for an enthusiast occasion car since you won't have to deal with the UI every day.
@@tyler9703 This is true. As a former Mk7 GTI owner, one of my favorite aspects of that car was how nicely laid-out the interior was. Seems VW went the opposite direction this time.
@@tyler9703 oh the mk8's UI is absolutely atrocious, I really liked the new golf until I saw the capacitive buttons and the infotainment UX disaster
@@tyler9703 every person I’ve talked to that actually owns that car says it’s not that big of a deal. Also people online who actually own it say it’s not going to kill the experience. Seems like one of those reviewers overplayed
@@tyler9703 so you buy your car based on the buttons in the car? LOL
@tedward Literally called me out! Currently driving an infiniti g37 and tired of the atrocious gas mileage (and heavy car). Have a deposit on an integra, just waiting for Acura to notify me when it will be built.
What's really frustrating is the amount of cost cutting. The obvious with the Si being that we don't get a loaded version the way they do in Canada and it's weird how the rear seats aren't red when they are in a 9th gen Si.
And the Integra should definitely have rear heated seats and should have ventilated seats. Plus no rear vents for a $37k car.
They both seem like really nice cars, but there's no reason to skimp out the way they did.
Exactly. It's ridiculous and a shame because the car looks and drives so nice.
No rear AC vents is a deal breaker for me unfortunately.
@@Atothen1234 Exactly! They put the rear vents on the Accord, which in general has a better interior than the new Integra. Backwards thinking here
Love your reviews - lots of information, delivered clearly and with humour and enthusiasm. I was particularly interested in this one because I have a Canadian spec Si, and wanted to see how it holds up against the Integra. While I am tempted by the nicer and apparently quieter Acura interior and the adjustable suspension, I'll stick with our Si. Those advantages and the heads up display are nice, but they aren't enough to justify the Integra's higher price, given that our Si has virtually all of the other features you mention as potentially justifying the cost difference vis a vis the US model (e.g.fog lights, parking sensors, turn signals in the mirrors, fully digital instrument display, shift lights, rain sensing wipers, auto-dimming lights, auto-dimming mirror, remote garage door opener and remote home security buttons on the mirror, sunglasses holder, dual zone climate control, heated front AND rear seats, heated steering wheel, navigation system, wireless connectivity and charging for cell phones in the front, two USB jacks for those in the back seats, and a spare tire with jack).
If I want leather seats I can always get Katzkins.
Yup, I have the 2023 Canadian si and going to Acura doesn't justify the price increase. In the US, I'd say the Acura is probably worth it to some degree
@@davebart41 Agreed.
40K car and it doesn't even have rear AC vents in a 4 DOOR sedan.
My Coupe with pretty much useless back seats has 4 AC vents and an independent climate zone in the rear.
That would be a deal breaker for people with big dogs like myself.
They had to remove it as ut was in the prototype because of part issues. I expect when the refresh comes in few years you will see them come back.
Proud to actually have the coolest looking Integra, it's a 10th Generation Si coupe.
What a great video, thanks.
The little bits that make all the difference for me are hatch(!), sunglasses holder, heated suede/leather, lumbar adjust, memory seat, ELS, adjustable dampers, individual mode.
The misses I think are no rear vents, no cooled seats, could be quieter.
I love both of these cars. I hated the 10th gen Civic beyond words, so to me the 11th gen is a breath of fresh air. I also love the Integra, just based on looks, but I don't know that I could spend $40k on a car THAT slow. I know there is more to cars than out right speed, but damn. The Civic Si just seems like the better buy.
Wait yes that is true, 40k USD. In Canada that is 50k. No way I would spend that money on that type of car
Well if you cared about value for the price you wouldn’t look at any new cars
Lol 10th gen Si is so much better ..they took away heated seats, fog lights, shift lights, temp gauge, dual zone climate, and have it less horsepower while charging way more
@@brokentradgedy they took those things away so they could actually build the car. The chip shortage is a real thing that changed a lot of manufacturing. The 10th gen is hideous and that alone makes it the second worse generation in my opinion.
@@brokentradgedy totally agree. 11th gen also adds mandatory awful boomer tech that takes away from pure driving experience. I don't want car queefing at me bc i swerved over the center line. 11th gen has auto start/shut off which is no bueno for turbo charged motors and hideous red seats
Would be interesting to see Civic Touring vs Integra A-spec Technology with CVT. Bought a ‘22 Civic Touring recently for just under 30K and other than the adaptive dampers and HUD, the features are basically the same for 7 grand less. The only negative is the Civic is atrociously loud with the stock Goodyear tires.
It's loud no matter what tires you put on it as the insulation is awful on the Civics unlike the Integra. But wow what a great deal what dumb ass dealer sold you one for under 30k I assume it's just a boring CVT. They keep selling for 35k easy because they are rare.
Soooo many vids talk about the heat the shifters give off in summer weather.
I agree BUT, years ago I simply bought a golf club cover that I keep handy in hot weather.
My 2007 Honda civic si v-tech coupe has that hot shifter, so if I park and grocery shop for 45 minutes to an hour, the sun isn't heating it up to the branding point. Instead, it's just warm.
I gotta go with the SI, I love the integra but I just don't need the luxurious stuff. All I care about is driving experience and a few small things like CarPlay.
I have a majestic black with red interior as spec tech pack. I drive the car a lot I had it for a year and eight months and now has 30,000 miles I don’t know about the SI but my exhaust pops and gurgles. Love this car ❤
Nothing wrong with a fancier Civic Si, people! The MSRP gap is really wide, but in reality, a non-marked up Si is hard to come by, and if you can get an Integra for MSRP, the extras might feel like more of a good deal when you're talking a $3-4K gap (as opposed to, say, $9K). Of course, your mileage may vary -- maybe you're one of the lucky ones who has a line on an Si without a dealer markup. ;)
For better or for worse, if a Canadian-spec Si were available to us, we might be having a much different conversation -- heated seats, wireless charging, shift lights, full digital display would all be available, and suddenly, an Integra doesn't seem to offer a ton more (at least on paper). Sadly though, that's not the case for U.S. buyers. Ultimately, I think you gotta figure out what is or isn't important to you, and what you can get a reasonable deal on, and go from there. Both seem like pretty fantastic cars to me.
It's just like the current generation WRX: not much wrong with it, but nothing particularly spectacular to my eyes either (but hey, at least the WRX has AWD). When you consider that this price segment is already highly competitive and there are plenty of other options out there that have better offerings (in my opinion), it's a legitimate concern to have for the future of this lineup in terms of sales. Add to the fact that Honda/Acura is pretty much self-cannibalizing either way when the Si already exists. I wouldn't deter anyone from getting this car though if they can get one and want one; it doesn't seem like a bad car overall.
I'm 1 week in owning an integra a-spec.
I love it.
They really dumbed down the new Si compared to the last just to force people into the integra. The 10th gen Si is still the best value imo.
11th Gen... Wish it had adaptive dampers. But the fact they added better torque, immaculate interior exterior styling, better shifter, hard to walk away from that car for 30k
Not really because if that was the case there would be no integra in Canada.
The new Integra would look so good as a coupe…
civic si>>>, dampers, leather and audio don't justify almost 10k
Your comparing it to the Canadian Si which they only made about 1k of its really about the refinement as the Integra is much quieter to drive. The Si and touring are loud.
Thank you for this!
Great video!! Concise and lots of good info! There aren’t a lot of good videos comparing the two.
Excellent review! I’ve owned both an ILX and now a 10th Gen Si sedan. I’m honestly disappointed in Honda. They stopped production on the Si for a full year, and stopped updating the ILX years ago. The new cars don’t improve the formula significantly. In fact, some aspects are worse than on my Si (ie, HP, fuel economy, heated seat deleted, etc).
I would consider the Integra, but not until it has built a bigger gap to the Si (Type-S anyone?!?). Not in a hurry as my 🚙 Si is still so much fun to drive!
Great review the integra looks more upscale and exotic that civic.
The lack of hood struts is so crazy to me. I feel like those are pretty standard in regular sedans but not this luxury one? Doesn't the Accord have hood struts?
They didn't get hood struts because parts shortages just like it didn't get prototype rear heated seats and navigation. I expect when they refresh this in 2 to 3 years you will see alot of added features that didn't make the production car included rear heated seats.
On the upside, the hood won't ever close on the back of your head. Pretty nice!
I never want hood struts and Hands does it perfectly where there are two pitches. I worked on a six year old car less than a week ago whose struts were already shot. They may seem more premium, but not when you then have to use a stick to keep the hood open.
my 2018 accord doesn't have hood struts
Not having hood struts is a great feature!
Few parts are as likely to randomly break and give you a concussion in two years while essentially doing absolutely nothing to benefit your ownership experience.
I still feel like Honda intentionally removed the heated seats the auto ac and the adaptive dampers from the 11th gen SI compared to the 10th so the integra looks more premium, Even though the 11th gen has less features then the 10th it still costs the same.
It does not cost the same they stripoed it and now charge more for less.
It did get rev match lighter fly wheel better manual much better dash and infotainment better style, but is slower and has less power. In most tests i have seen.
Although virtually everyone say it drives so much better so much mire control and refinement fun and enjoyable although sime did say the shocks are very stiff.
They did in america at least, stripped out a tin if features and rsised the price $2300.
In canada they just stripped out the dampers which are alone to install about $2000 but they added a tin if features to make up for it and its less than the usa stripped model.
At current exchange rates.
The usa was disrespected, i was surprised even the acuras lack dampers until you spend $8000 more fir thevtoo model, and Integra with auto dont get a real auto they get a cvt and no LSD but the full digital dash.
Even at $36k ouch.
@@Tigerex966 they only made about 1k Si's this year in Canada because of the chip shortage and parts shortages that why the US Si didn't get most of the Canadian model Si features. Its not because of Integra as they sell the exact same car in Canada vs the Si.
@@robertblack6630 i believe it is both. It saves Honda and Acura a lot of money.
@@robertblack6630 except for the fact that the Civic Touring in the US lost no features at all and had only a modest 500 dollar increase in price and is produced in far greater numbers than the Si. That pretty much takes the chip issue away. If the Integra didn’t exist the Si would have more features, period.
It is called inflation.
Thank you so much for this review, it's exactly what I was looking for! I had a 22 Si that I loved, but I got crashed into and it got totaled, and I've been toying with the idea of replacing it with the Acura. Mainly for the active suspension, but there are just so many little niceties, I think you've sold me on the Integra. Funny, now that I think about it, it was your videos that sold me on the Si also... Thanks!
My experience with past Acuras is that what you think is leather, isn't always leather, its often times pleather.
Manual transmission in newer cars are so satisfying
As a first generation American that still goes back to Europe quite often and follow Rally and F1, really wish they made a hatchback Honda Civic Si.
Great review.
As someone who owns a civic hatch sport touring I’d say that is the car to compare to the technology integra if I’m completely honest. The tech in both cars is very similar, integra has an advantage with the dampers, a usb c (which no one mentions), hud, and more seat adjustments.
The interior in my opinion is nicer in the Honda, I feel like the vents in the Acura were a shortcut to make it different from the Honda, just doesn’t look right to me how it’s broken up. Also the leather seats on the Honda don’t hold as much heat on hot days as the leather/micro suede combo which is notorious for being hot, and personally I think the Honda seats look better overall.
The question you have to ask yourself, is the integra a spec technology worth the extra money compared to the civic ST? I may be biased but I don’t think those extras justify the price. I paid 34k for my civic after taxes with a few minor accessories added (all season mats, cargo tray, cargo net, seat back protector, and protection film). I’d imagine the top of the line integra is close to if not 40k.
Another factor is gas. Everyone has different needs but better mpgs on the civic and regular gasoline vs premium for the integra. With gas prices now, who would want to jump into a premium fuel car right now? I sold my WRX because personally, it was too much.
It really boils down to what you value, the Honda is an excellent value for the money, the integra is a head turner beauty of a car, the Honda is a little more reserved but still nice looking compared to competitors in the segment. Based on looks alone I’d place it third in the affordable hatch category behind the Mazda 3 hatch and integra. But again it’s all personal preference. Can’t go wrong with either car honestly and if you can afford the top of the line integra go for it, it’s just not the better value in my opinion.
Hey just want to chime in and let you know the integra actually doesn’t require premium. Also the LSD for me is why I went with the integra over a sport touring. Both great cars
How has the Civic HB ST been treating you? I have a deposit down for a 2023 manual due at the end of February (currently leasing a 2020 Civic Sport HB manual). I'm pretty much set on the Civic but couldn't help peeking over at the Integra A-SPEC and just saw a used 2023 one in my area for a used one with under 100 miles with a price comparable to a new Civic - perhaps I shouldn't compared new to used though....
In any case, wondering how you experience has been with the Civic. One thing I see people talking about as a difference is the better noise dampening of the Integra, which is to be expected. How is the sound dampening in your Civic? I feel I don't mind my current Civic's road noise too much and probably will just tune out the new one's road noise as well, but still wondering how the new one performs.
Also, how has the overall fit and finish been with the Civic - any issues?
@@ThunderShoe I’ve loved every minute of it so far. With now 7k on the odometer I haven’t had any problems with the car. It has enough power and great mpgs, I’ve been averaging 34 city 38-40 hwy. There’s never been a situation where I said to myself “I wish this thing had more pickup” and I drive in congested areas of southern NY where traffic and merging can be a nightmare. My routine service has been a breeze at the dealership too, something I can’t say about the Subaru dealership I used to go to.
As far as road noise is concerned, I came from a 2012 WRX, so the civic is a huge improvement. From what I’ve read in articles and on forums, it seems the new civic is a little quieter than last gens, but I cannot confirm. What could help is new tires in the future. The continentals that come with the car aren’t the smoothest riding tires, so once you get your mileage out of them I would do some research for quieter tires on tire rack or something.
As far as fit and finish, I haven’t had any major issues. Most of them are nitpicks if anything. The most concerning of them was the drivers door wasn’t flush by like half a centimeter with the rear drivers. I fixed it by adjusting the door catch (two phillips head screws) and now it’s perfect. There are a few moldings on the bottom of the windows that don’t line up perfectly, and some uneven hood gap along the front bumper, and panel gap along the sides of the hood, but again, it’s more nitpicks than anything. The hood gap I was able to fix by adjusting (turning) the the rubber stoppers along the engine bay. There have been no issues inside the car, a few creaks and squeaks near the infotainment display, but they have stopped with what I assume to be a break-in period, everything seems to have settled and expanded where I don’t hear anything anymore.
All in all the car has been amazing. Don’t let my nitpicks deter you from your purchase. I’m anal and go looking for issues, I’m sure 98% of people wouldn’t even notice those things. There are times I wish I would have gotten a manual, but with a new baby and my wife with no experience driving standard in the event she has to drive, I went with the cvt. Still great, but the manual will probably be an even better experience for you.
If you’re still undecided, this video pretty much sealed the deal for me!
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@@fdurdenc I super appreciate your insights and the experiences you've shared - I'll stick with the Civic! I drive in eastern MA and the traffic patterns I typically encounter seem similar to those you experience. I also have a similar situation with a baby on the way and a wife with no manual transmission driving experience. Actually, she has no driving experience, but we are planning for her to learn beggining in the next year or so. She's willing to take a shot at learning to drive stick, but whether or not that works out, we'll probably look to add a second car that's an auto/CVT. I'm thinking of the new Civic as potentially the last manual I'll have for a long long time. Makes me sad that they're becoming so rare, especially in the more affordable segment of the car market.
One more somewhat subjective question: Do you happen to have a spoiler/wing and/or window visors on your Civic? If so, what's your experience with them been like? Re: the spoiler, I like the look of the HPD version but not sure my wife would appreciate going that aggressive, so I'm considering an aftermarket one that's more subtle. As for the visors, I like the look but am also wondering whether they are worth the investment.
Thanks again for all of your input!
@@ThunderShoe No problem and congratulations on the newest addition to your family!
I didn’t opt for the HPD package, personally I didn’t like the style or placement of the wing, the molded in lip on the hatch lid is sporty enough imo. Also, the front lip is just two gloss black covers that go over the bottom corners of the bumper, it’s not a true lip. These covers also cover the paint under the fog light housing which makes the bumper look sloppy to me.
I don’t have window visors either, the only thing I did to the car in that respect is a chrome delete overlay on the chrome trim above the windows. I hate chrome and prefer the matte black over the windows that is on the sport trim of the civic. You can search for “Avery Dennison 2022 civic hatchback chrome delete”
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Nice comparison. The side view mirrors angling down when in reverse depends on how the switch for them is positioned. Left, Right or center for off.
Yes! Our new odyssey did this for a year before I figured out it depended on the darn adjusting switch.
Honey wake up, a new Tedward was posted
The tilt down passenger side mirror in reverse. On my TSX wagons, the L/R mirror switch has to be in the R position or that might side mirror doesn't tilt down. You've probably already tried it on your Is but just in case.... GREAT VIDEO!
Yes! I was waiting for this video, an excellent comparison between two great cars!
These cars are massive
But pretty remarkable how light they are despite that. This 4 door Integra is only 200 lbs heavier than a 2001 Integra GSR 2 door coupe. And despite being the size of a 3 series, it is 1000 lbs lighter than a 340 or G70! That is phenomenal and this will be a fun car in the corners.
The Integra comes with a granola bar,why is this even a debate?
Integra is more on par with 2020 Civic Si which has adaptive dampers, LSD, heated seats. New Gen SI took a step back from previous generations, yet cost more money and have less power. Shame, I will be keeping my 2020 SI, no 23 for me.
Of course there's a difference between the two - it's just not a ~$8k difference.
Tedward, you mentioned that the Integra NVH was noticeably lower than the Si's. Can you please comment on the difference between the Hatchback Sport Touring vs. the Si? I'm considering one of the three vehicles and am wondering if the Integra price premium is worth it.
I think the sport touring gave me the same level of Nvh as the si. I remember saying that when I drove it in Washington. Acura definitely quiets it down
@@TedwardDrives what a quick reply, you're the man!
EXCEPT that w dealers price gouging people now the SI costs as much as the Acura
That's why traditional stick shift knobs were made of wood. Metal ones get uncomfortably hot in Summer and uncomfortably cold in Winter.
It lets you play with that rear end a little bit too, which I find just charming....
i feel like that the tropher auto top nl and of course tedwerd rb te the best pov reviewers
The Topher 😃
If you don't have cooled seats cloth is the only way to go if you live somewhere with hot summers. A buddy had a black Audi with black leather inside, absolute hell!
Actually not true I have a orchid interior and have zero issue with hot seats. You don't need cloth or cooled seats.
It’s amazing how many more standard features our Canadian Si’s have that the American ones don’t!
Hondata dyno tested both cars and found that the stock Integra generates 234 horsepower at the wheel (meaning about 250 HP at the crank). Honda is understating horsepower for both cars in its marketing and no one understands why.
And yet ppl still complain about it being underpowered. The old Integra type r made about 195 hp (as what Honda advertised) then. If only that price hike wasn’t so big. I’d probably get one
@@ctrikz_tk8745 sad thing what it appears purposely hurt the integra 0-60 time is the added larger gears with 4.35 gear ratio which in 2017 to 2019 was 4.10 gear ratio so you could hit 62 mph in second. The purposely made it so the car has to shift to 3rd in a 0 to 60 killing it to 7 second when its really is a low 6 second car. This also hurts it in the 1/4 mile. Remember the new Si and Integra now have vtec for exhaust that 2017 to 2020 1.5t models didn't have except in the Accord causing moisture to build up in the oil. I'm guessing they did this for insurance issues but the car way more powerful then my old coupe 2019 Si even though that's 270 lbs lighter
It's simple if you have over 200 hp or hit 200lbs of torque your insurance will sky rocketed it will have a rate similar to a Type R. They found it has 234 hp and 230 lbs of torque at the wheels stock. Now with a simple hondata stock tune you can add only 4 hp but 28 lbs of torque making this a 260 hp and 280 lbs of torque at the crank car. The Si can't make the same hp or especially torque anything over 250lbs at the crank with stock clutch. So something different with the Integra just people only see the basic info Honda supplied. Just drive it and it's noticeably better tune with really bad all season tires that don't stick.
I test drove an integra. My butt dyno says well under 200 whp. (It felt slower than the stock FiestaST that I currently drive..)
I saw the same video and found it very informative. Just a slight correction it was 236 HP. I drove this Integra. It felt quick enough to me and the ride was awesome. I’ve driven a ton of cars doing research and the combination of features, performance, looks, gas mileage and reliability make this a top choice.
I think the integra also needs cooled seats
I have Orchid interior no need for for cooled seats for me but Again that was because of the chip shortage as the prototype had both heated and cooled seats expect this to be added when refreshed in 2 to 3 years. Also you will this become a hybrid in the tech package
@@robertblack6630 white seats will never make up for quality cooled seats. It’s a massive miss by Honda at 37k
@@goarcherb could the price tag have anything to do with 10% inflation? Let's Go Brandon.
Massaging seats
@@goarcherb Hell, the Accord Touring has cooled seats and heated rear seats and it's about the same MSRP, faster engine as well. But no manual anymore :(
If you watch a review on the Canadian Si, it is annoying what got left off the US model. I'd be curious to know if that was an intentional marketing ploy to further separate the Si from the Integra, or due to the chip shortage. (Would be interesting to see if there is a Canadian version of the Integra, and if/how it differs.) Good review. Looks like a lot of extras packed onto the Integra, but not sure it is $ 8k worth. It is the usual marketing thing - make you buy the higher end to get a few features you want, plus a whole lot of other stuff that really wasn't that important to you. I faced that decision to a lesser degree when I bought my /17 BRZ - Limited vs Premium. I was able to option the dimming mirrors and home link (garage door opener in my rearview mirror), and you can do that on either. However the Performance Pack that year was only available on the Limited. I happened to find one with Performance Pack (a bargain - wider wheels, Brembo brakes, Sachs dampers for $ 1200). Probably the biggest difference for daily use is Limited has push button start and the entry system where you can leave the key in your pocket. With the current car shortage and dealer mark-ups, I'm happy to not be in the market right now, but enjoy following current offerings. I wonder how hard it would be for folks to buy a Si in Canada? It's only a half day drive from where I live, and I see Tedward is in New England.
Definitely not the chip shortage as the loaded and more heavily produced Civic Touring lost zero features and came with only a very modest price increase. Si lost a lot of features and gained a 2000+ price increase. Hard to understand.
“Luxury” branded civic that not only does not have heated rear seats but doesn’t even have rear seat a.c. vents. CHEAP! One seat pocket. This integra does not come off like an entry level “luxury” car. You said it correctly, premium civic. That’s all it is. Not a bad car, obviously, but not enough of a difference to make one pony up the extra balloons. Subjective, of course.
THANK YOU MR TEDWARD! I WANTED THIS VIDEO FOR WEEKS, I APPRECIATE YOU
The passenger mirror goes down because it is selected on the driver door. If you put the switch in the middle it won't go down. At least, that's how it worked on my 2019 Ridgeline. Not sure if that will work on the Si, though.
nah tried moving the switch. no change
@@TedwardDrives worth a try. They are both great cars. Great review!
great video dude. love your commentary
Even with the price difference I would choose the integra
Same. Luckily, the SI is still cost as much or more with the dealer markups.
Excellent review! Thanks for making my decision easier.
I went to buy a civic si 4 months ago and they said the wait was about 8 months and after everything it was like 35k….. so misleading from the 27k lol might as well just get the integra unless the markups have gone down since then
I just bought a ‘24 Si - I thoroughly researched both cars, test drove both cars and the integra doesn’t come close to offering a good value proposition for the extra $8-10k.
People say the integra is just a civic with slightly nicer features…bc it’s true.
The ONLY objective advantage the integra has over the Si is that it comes with a hatchback.
The Bose sound system isn’t as good as the ELS system in the integra, but it’s not that big of a deal, especially for the price premium.
The Si feels straight up better from a driving experience, somehow to me the integra feels very large when driving and the steering is lighter and not nearly as connected as the Si.
The “luxury” features in the integra just aren’t anywhere near worth an extra $8-10k. In fact the Si has better seats since they’re both cloth anyway, just with some lame faux leather inserts which actually makes it look cheaper.
Dealer markups are pretty much a thing of the past now in spring / summer ‘24, interesting the Acura dealer was indicated much more willingness to discount the car - the dealership offered $1500 off MSRP, and Acura themselves added another $1000 discount - but even at a $6-7k price premium over the Si I still couldn’t see the justification. The Si is just an overall better car for its purpose. If you’re going to pay nearly $40k for a car how can you possibly justify a 1.5L Turbo making 200HP??? With cloth seats, the same civic platform, just slightly better sound system (marginally better) heated seats (only in front!) a heads up display which mainly only shows MPH, wireless charging (who cares) and auto dimming rear view mirror. Heated seats are probably the only thing people really care about and would pay for.
Also - the fact that the Acura dealerships are discounting the integra, tells you everything you need to know, they aren’t selling.
Just bought my 2024 si in pearl white!!!
I really appreciated this video, thank you.
Hows the rev hang on each car? I had a WRX and first to second was brutal.
So just like the Si we get features in Canada that it looks like are not available in the states. We get rear heated seats on the manual top trim integra as well as heated steering wheel(unless the button just wasnt visible in this video)
Loved the review. Thanks for the comparison. I like more the hood of the Civic, but other than that, I like more the Integra.
The more I look at the Integra, the more I like the styling. The initial reveal soured it for me but it fits with the rest of the current lineup while having some fun elements like the rear hatch. I wonder what a modern Integra coupe would look like.
All I can say is the SI is a kids car at a lower price and the integra is a adult car for those that can afford a little more luxury and I believe looks way better than the si. I still love the 10th Gen si and sold it because I wanted a more powerful 2.0 turbo but with the world the way it is I'll take the fuel economy right now and an upgraded Acura compared to the honda
3:50 Oh, but the Acura Integra DOES have Heated Rear Seats...in Canada.
Does the integra come stock with integrated rear granola bar?
Great video as you always do! I am in search of a daily car, 4-door, manual, with better interior (NVH) and softer suspension (i.e., adaptive damper) compare to my '21 WRX. Doesn't have to be AWD, and that comes to '23 Acura Integra or MK8 GTI-autobahn around 38 - 40k price range. Could you please comment on the NVH and suspension stiff/soft difference between the Integra and the GTI? Or even make a video to compare these two. I think they are, as hot hatches, pretty comparable in terms of daily driving.
Used 2/3 series or civic SI are your only options it sounds like. I just went through the same purchasing decision, wanted a gr86 but my family is growing. Ended up with a 22 SI. When I tell you I love this car, it really is a car to fall in love it, so much soul and perfect amount of creature comforts. Look into it dude
What about the driving experience in Sport mode? Is the Integra as sharp and fun to drive as the Si on a back road?
Better as the steering is a big improvement over the Si its stiffer and responsive unlike Si is bit loose by comparison which didn't like.
I agree. It does, bring to the table, the joy of driving. I think About driving it all the time.
That thing has some crazy rev hang
I’ve not really heard anyone say it, but HUD doesn’t work with polarized sunglasses.
I would really like to have been a fly on the wall at Acura when the decision to go with a CVT was made. "Well ladies and gentlemen, it's time to decide on which transmission to fit to our glorious ressurection of the legendary Integra" *engineer speaks up* "sir we have our dual clutch that was used in the previous ILX and other models available, or our excellent corporate 10 speed conventional auto, its going to be tough to deci.." *chairman cuts him off* "So CVT it is then! any objections?" *crickets*🙈🙈
a dual clutch doesnt exist for the 1.5L engine and it would have been too costly to develop one
@@bossplayerunit4563 If only Honda was a large car company with engineers who could adapt their own transmissions to work with their own engines. There is nothing magical about a DCT, it is essentially a manual transmission with 2 computer controlled clutches. But ok, lets say the DCT would be too costly to adapt to the 1.5 for reasons of it not being strong enough for the torque a turbo engine makes (or whatever), what about the 10 speed auto used by the Accord (and other Acura products) with the 2.0 turbo making more hp/tq than the 1.5t of the Integra?
I’m old enough to remember when 7 sec 0-60 was fast.. now it’s slow enough that you have to plan ahead 😂
Great review!
Honestly I wanted to pull the trigger on an intégra but based on how many times you said " not fast" I kinda changed my mind
Type S!
The canadian Si also gets an LCD display just like the integra! Not the hybrid analog/digital one from the american one! Other than the leather interior, hatchback, there really isn't much to drive canadians to buy the integra over the Si
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