"Good fences make good neighbors. Bad neighbors make good fertilizer!" 😂 Story six.... OP could have taken Karen to court for harrassment, slander and libel. Karma, B!! 😡
Bad Neighbours make so-so Fertilizer unless run through a tree chipper first... Bad neighbour flavoured Chunky Salsa makes Excellent Fertilizer... 😄😁😆😅😂🤣
We had a neighbor that insisted our daughter banged on the wall in the middle of the night, which would have involved her waking up at 2-3 am. Every night. I knew she was nuts, told her our daughter was sleeping soundly every night, and she was possibly hearing water pipes or something else. She insists that we make our daughter stop. Her brother who lived with her accuses us as calling his sister a liar. I again say there is absolutely no way what she thought was happening could possibly be happening, because not only was our daughter asleep, the so called shared wall has a stairwell in between so there was no way our daughter was waking up in the middle of the night, floating above the stairs to where her bedroom was, kicking the wall, floating back down onto the stairs, and then going back to sleep.
Story 6 - I feel really sorry for the kid who has that Karen for a mother. I mean imagine having a mom like that that spreads awful lies about someone for no reason, other than she’s a psycho, only to have the whole neighborhood turn on her and being forced to leave because of her.
That lady is like ohmwrecker, making extreme allegations without proof, evidence, or a sliver self-preservation. She cried wolf, and the town got pissed
I live in an apartment with a secured front door entrance. We aren't supposed to let anyone in unless we know them. The landlord needs to make new keys.
Some keys I've had got numbers stamped on them, which meant most key cutting places won't touch them, so it's possible OP couldn't make a copy even if they wanted.
@@konradgreen2567 I've made keys with numbers stamped into them... I've even stamped them with the number. I was also trained to check for a "do not duplicate" message and to refuse to duplicate those ones.
@@wolphin732 I'm curious. What will happen if the actual owner wants to duplicate keys with "do not duplicate" message? What proof of ownership they shall present to you?
Last story: Door meant to prevent unauthorized people from entering the building is left unlocked. Sooner or later someone will inevitably break in. "Ooh my god, how could this have happened??"
Some times in the hood there are unspoken rules, and rule 1) never fuck with the peace, if shit has worked out keep it working 2) act like you belong and you don't get fuck with
See the thing is, if that door is meant to be locked at all times and the ladies aren't locking it for whatever reason then they're the jerks! I've dealt with this before and felt safe when we had the door locked as before we had vagrants hiding in our basement, defecting doing drugs, and breaking into storage units. If they lost them then they need to get new ones or the rental office need to apply an automatic locking door knob! That's what ours was and nobody EVER lost their key!
I totally disagree with the end of the last story. I’d definitely want my doors all kept locked (ESPECIALLY in a “bad” neighborhood). Just because everyone else was irresponsible and lost their key, doesn’t make OP the a-hole.
My thoughts as well. I mean the op is and is not the AH. It is better to lock it. But no one has the key. I think he should have been willing to duplicate it with the landlord permission for everyone. And they have kids. Diffently should lock that gate
OP could have threatened her with a lawsuit for slander and or defamation as well as called the postal service and asked him if by putting letters in mailboxes was illegal in their town If that's considered tampering with mail.
It is a Federal law that prohibits anyone other than an authorized postal employee or the owner of a mailbox (or mail slot in a door) to put anything in or on said mailbox or mail slot. It has nothing to do with what city, town or state they live in. Federal law applies to the entirety of the USA.
US Postal laws are country wide. You can get in legal trouble for putting anything except Mail in anyone's mailbox. They can even just wait and talk with their normal Mailman. They would know who/where/when to talk to. And might even be able to start an investigation for them. I've known 2 people who went to prison for separate incidents. 1 could've killed someone. The 2nd was for putting letters in mailboxes. Yes there was more for each incident but it's been a few years and have forgotten.
It is a Federal offense to use a mailbox that way, you have to use postage for anything that you put into a mailbox, so she was violating a federal law.
Final story, here in Australia I rarely lock my doors, and I wouldn't want to be locked in like a prisoner, but if that's what OP wants he can at least provide a copy of the hallway door. YTA
Last story. The landlord has a right to be the gatekeeper of the hallway keys. Making a copy or allowing others to make a copy without the landlords knowledge would be improper. And likely illegal.
I'm shocked at how many people want OP to have just made copies of the key to his building and to give it to a bunch of strangers that he doesn't know. Like he could give a key to an evicted tenant or the abusive ex partner of someone, or just a random person who is squatting in store room on another floor! When I lived in an apartment, there was a specific section of my lease agreement that stated how we weren't permitted to let anyone else follow us through the front door, under any circumstances, even if we knew the person. And everyone understood this and we didn't "hold the door" for others, unless we could see their key (our front door key was pretty unique - at 25 years old, I'd never seen a key like it before). We had two front doors on our building, one that wasn't locked and only led to a small hallway with a small shelf, so that tenants could set down anything they were carrying and get their key out and unlock the door while being dry and warm, and with a light, which also helped to reduce the temptation to hold the door for someone if it was late/dark or the weather was bad, or they had a lot of bags.
Story 6 warmed my heart. Good on these folks for taking it to that psycho. Some people have gotten WAY too comfortable with casually calling others pedophiles. It's the most heinous thing you can accuse somebody of. She should have been sued.
The unlocked hallway door is a thing where I live. So it’s slightly dangerous where we had to get security guards every night and a full building sweep around 1-3a. It was annoying because I always heard running and slamming of doors breaking glass and cops and residents yelling at each other in the hallway. I live in Florida where most are armed with gun or tasers. I get that. But after the sweeps and clean outs, our property manger got the gate outside fixed and locked. The key replacement is 100$ and no you cannot take it and make copies without the landlords permission. It’s a safety issue. If you lose the key, they have to change the lock and reissue a new key just in case someone knows what the key is for. Same as your apartment keys. It’s 75 to replace that and the lock. If OP did get the key copied he could’ve gotten in trouble by the landlord or property manager. Not worth losing your home over. The residents need to get their own as the hallway door is lock for a reason. If someone realizes that it’s never locked one day down the road, it could be trouble for them. NTA people who live in apartments should really read their lease regarding copies of keys. If they can do it themselves or must go through the property manager or owner. It could cost you ur home or fees.
👏💯👏 *I agree with you!* *It'd be different if OP just made up this rule.. but he DIDN'T! The door is supposed to be locked.. and one would THINK since they have children, they would want their apt to be SAFE!* 🤦🤦
@@leemitchell7841 you definitely can be kicked out of a rental property for breaking the terms of your lease agreement, which for most apartments with a shared door, will state that you can't make copies of that key or give it to anyone not on the rental agreement.
Fence story: Well done OP. But it seems odd that the neighbor's house was so close to the property line. Usually there's a minimum setback distance. Laurel bush vs cedar tree story: Saying "NO" shouldn't stop the project, it just makes it more expensive as now the tree guys have to climb the tree instead of using a cherry picker. It can be done, just takes more time which equals more money. New house story: I would move my car just to stop the complaints and to keep the crazy neighbor from getting the idea of damaging the car in some way. But I would not move into a duplex ever again for this type of situation. Super bowl party story: Given that it would have taken place well before quiet hours almost anywhere, yeah, making a noise complaint wasn't going to fly. "Pedo" story: Another busybody with nothing better to do than to try to destroy lives. Given she was sticking letters in people's mailboxes, well that's actually a federal offense if you wanted to push it. But it seems like OP and others managed to get rid of her. I pity the new neighborhood though, and her kid who now has to make new friends and start a new school. Locked door story: Mildly YTA! If they give you the money to pay for making duplicate keys, what's the problem? Unless it is a high security key which has do not duplicate on it, that is. I do understand not wanting to leave doors unlocked, but not helping out making copies that don't cost $70 thru the landlord isn't very neighborly.
locked door story: op is NTA as if he did as you said he could be looking for a new place as you dont know what his contract says about making copies of the door key. while i agree that he could he shouldn't if its gonna break his contract
Story 7: OP is NTA. The only reason that door has been unlocked is because none of them want to pay to replace their keys. It's a safety risk and just because nothing hasn't happened (to our knowledge) doesn't mean that nothing will should it continue. I would've gone further and reported it to the building owner/manager that I was continuously finding the hall door left unlocked.
Last story - NOT the AH. It is not OP's responsibility to get keys for everybody else. And I don't think that's exactly legal because he is not the landlord, and if he does it who knows who's going to have those keys, another tenant could give one to somebody who doesn't really belong there. And I say, no, just keep locking the door, it's about your safety.
@@trollforfunsodonttakemeser2374 why do you want to let unknown strangers make a copy of the key to the front door of your building? Can the new tenant verify if everyone who asks for a key is actually a tenant?
“Packers won the Super Bowl! Wooo! Packers!” Last story: I would give this a “No one sucks here”. While the new tenant could easily give or sell copies to the others, this could be a violation of the tenant agreement and get OP and/or others booted. Best bet is, as Fluff said, for OP to call the landlord in on it and hope they’re not an asshole.
@@RoburDrake Most locksmiths will not copy them, but the dodgy ones will, and make an extra, giving to the thieves, so they know where to go because the people there are likely to have no security at all, and are easy pickings. OP tell landlord about this, and that the security of his investment is at high risk from the others failing to obey the leases they all signed.
In the last story, OP is NOT the A-hole, in my opinion. It is not OP's fault, the other tenants lot their hallway keys and its their responsibility to replace them. As a woman, I would definitely not feel as safe, if just anyone off street could wander into the building. Seen that far too much, having lived in apartments for more then 40 years.
@@KaliTakumi He was being stubborn for not allowing strangers to make copies of the key to the front door of his building? OP had no way of verifying who are the legal tenants, since he doesn't know any of them and he isn't the landlord. I'd be furious to find out that a new tenant started giving out they key to my front door.
@@LovelyLawla Hey genius, he could tell because they have the key to their own apartment. Notice how he didn't mention not knowing whether they were tenants in his story
@@KaliTakumi Just because someone has a key, doesn't mean they are actually on the lease - it could be a family member, a friend, a sub-let, a squatter. No-one actually worries if the people they see in the corridor are on the paperwork for the other apartments, but it is definitely something that needs to be considered if you are giving out the key to the door of your building. It's not OPs job to go around and have their neighbours prove that they have a key that opens an apartment within the building and then give them the keys to the front door too. If the neighbours were careless enough to loose the keys, they need to have the hassle of dealing directly with the landlord about the consequences.
Last Story: IF the neighborhood really is as dangerous as OP says, then he's mostly not the AH since he's in the right to care about his safety, BUT, he IS the AH for not helping the others to get their own keys in that case.
T he tenant can't help the other tenants get keys because he has no way of knowing who is a legal tenant and who could potentially be squatting with someone or an evicted tenant whose refusing to leave. I've seen enough videos about entitled people on here to be able to imagine the kinds of legal trouble OP could have gotten into and gotten his landlord into if he, the new tenant, just starts making random people make copies of the key into a secure building. What if someone who wasn't a tenant got a key from OP and came in and SA'd someone?
Dude is not the ahole, the door is supposed to be locked, it's a bad neighborhood, the burden of responsibility falls upon the adults that are unfortunately raising children to keep track of important things like keys and get their own replacement if lost. I have no sympathy for them and would have done the same thing.
I disagree. He knows they don't have keys, won't let them in when he locks them out, and refuses to let them pay him to make copies then whines about their lack of hospitality. What a crybaby
Only problem is, the neighbours were willing to compromise and asked for OP to help them replace their lost keys. OP refused and pretty much destroyed any case for a NTA verdict.
From the story we can discern that the neighbors are actually aware that the hall shall be locked. The problem is they lost their keys. And instead of OP became their hero by let them copy the key, he went, "Hurr durr, I have the key and you don't, mwahahahaha!". He's an AH.
Actually certain keys can not just be duplicated the key place will need permission to make duplicates from the owner/building management Those are security locks & because of this it's expensive to get them replaced There is very likely a clause in the tenancy agreement about it as well as that the door should be locked at all times. Given the fact the landlord charges them this much I'm actually very certain that this is the case It's the other tenants' responsibility to contact the landlord to get the replacement keys & they are actually lucky that the, OP is not reporting this to the landlord because the landlord would then have cause to evict all of them
completely disagree the landlord has to know its not locked and just doesnt care so why should OP get to comes in and change everything thats been going on for 5 years and if it maters that damn much let them copy your key, at worst they geyt charged by the complex at best its a $20 fix for all 3 neighbors.
Party story: I have friends who when they host a party invite the whole block whether they know them or not, including neighbors behind them. Makes for a great evening and meet some new people. Lost key story: How do you lose an important key? Simply put it on your keyring. And everyone lost the same key?! Something seems fishy.
OP is NOT the ahole in the final story. People shouldnt have lost there keys. Ive libed in a secured apt building like that and if the door was found unlocked everyone got in trouble. I dont blame OP for being uncomfortable i would be also. DONT LOSE YOUR IMPORTANT KEYS.
Story 6: Karen got off really lucky. Libel, Slander, Defamation of Character, Trespassing, Harassment, Tampering with Mailboxes. OP could have sued her for a LOT of money.
OMG, I feel the loud neighbors story. We had a quiet neighborhood until they moved in. They have three girls with a massive number of cousins who come and go from their house. These children treat screaming like a freakin' Olympic sport, engaging in, what I can only imagine to be, screaming contests to see who can scream the loudest. At night, I will hear at least one of the girls screaming at the top of her little lungs FOR HOURS even when I'm in my living room. When they first moved here, I called the cops a couple times because it sounded like someone was being murdered. Now I know that's just what they do. I hate it. They're entitled, use our driveway without permission, let the kids (often about eight of them, ranging in age from two to about nine,) terrorize the whole street on their scooters with no supervision whatsoever, and act angry with ME for not just watching their kids while the parents are nowhere to be seen. They leave toys in the street all up and down the street (scooters, bikes, dolls, balls, you name it,) so there's no way for vehicle traffic to access our street, and absolutely trash people's yards when they aren't looking. I made the mistake of leaving my front door open one day, and a freaking PARADE of children just walked into my house uninvited. I corralled them out of my house, and their dad had the nerve to get annoyed WITH ME and tell me I'm not allowed to have my own front door open because his kids will just 'go on in.' Like, how the hell is that my fault, bro?
for the last one, NTA! i'm a retired cop and i've lost count of the fools who tell me they don't lock their doors or stuff never happens in their neighborhood. they were usually telling me this as i took a burglary report or some other complaint of criminal activity. at one point i lived in an apartment that put in security locks on the front and back entries because of a new local ordinance. some jerk(s) kept disabling the locks and letting their "friends" vandalize the halls. they were evicted eventually for drunken parties where windows were smashed. too bad it took so long.
Story 7: No, you are not the A-hole. I would've done the same. If the neighbors can't keep their keys safe, then they need a reminder. Losing communal keys put everyone at risk. And it's even worse when the neighborhood is rated as dangerous. You should contact the landlord to make him switch the lock, issue new keys to the tenants, and split the cost between the losers.
Story 7: So because the complex is full of lazy or incompetent people who can't be bothered going to their landlords and requesting a replacement key and paying the fee for said key, they'd rather lower their own security and safety in their apartments by keeping an external door unlocked 24/7? Absolutely ridiculous. If I was OP I would've contacted my landlord and let them know that the people living there are keeping the door unlocked and are requesting I keep it unlocked too, all because they lost their external door key.
Story 6: Wow, what's her problem? Of course teens would ask about a luxurious car, like who wouldn't? Is the ex-neighbor jealous that OP has a luxury car, is this projection, is there some other delusion involved? We will never know since she left. She is lucky OP didn't sue her
I drive a Tesla. Kids are curious and ask me questions all the time and no parent has ever accused me of being a pedophile. Ever. Most parents make some joke about their kid wanting the parent to buy a Tesla after talking to me but I've never been accused of buying it to attract children. That's a really really large leap to make from observing children curious about a car.
Last story: I can’t agree that the guy is an ahole in this. My building has a similar setup and in my lease agreement we have a $75 fee for missing keys but the agreement even states that the fee covers a new lock instead of a new copy of the key. Which makes sense from a security standpoint. If you’ve lost the key you don’t know who has it now so better off replacing the whole lock instead. In this case, if everyone else has lost their keys they should collectively go to the landlord and explain and if possible split the $70 fee between the three who lost their keys because it is a risk to just leave the door unlocked. Especially if they’re single mothers (meaning there are also children at risk) I’d rather own up and lose some money than leave that door unlocked. Even if it can be picked that’s still extra time if there is an intruder if they have to get through two locked doors instead of just one.
I disagree. It is not being overly sympathetic. He's new, just moved in and is making life very difficult for the people that have lived there long before he arrived. If he doesnt like how they live in the building, he should find a solution with them or move. Or enjoy living there on his terms with everyone else hating him. Because that is the reality. I'm not saying I also wouldnt want the door locked- but he is being a d about how he is handling it. @@aaronabbey2604
Re the crazy neighbour lady who tried to ruin sports car guy's life with baseless accusations... what he did was great, but he should have sued her for defamation, libel, slander, whatever and he would have ended up owning her house, not just seeing it vacated.
Story #6 - Crazy Lady might well have learned that slander can result in some very large judgments. She's lucky it wasn't me, she was targeting, because I'd have gone the legal route.
BTW stuffing letters in mailboxes without sending it through the mail is a federal crime. She was also trespassing. The best thing you can do is putting up a no trespassing sign up as soon as you move in.
story 7: they should get a key from the landlord. the only thing, where OP could be considered to be the AH is, if he gave out the key without control of who gets it. of course, on the other side, a lock can be picked within minutes. it's a fiction that a lock will keep you safe, and government facilities (doesn't matter which government) usually calculate in minutes how much a lock will stall an intruder. the neighbors should get either a key form the landlord or a written permission that OP can make copies of his key.
@robertheinrich2994 a locked door saved me friends life it gave them enough time to get a weapon. they person breaking in down on there knees until the cop took the person away
They are single moms and the landlord charges $70 a key. OP wants the door locked? OP should be a sport and make a damn copy for one of the tenants. It's not "giving the key out like candy" it's giving the key to a person who lives there. The best solution, besides the other tenants shunning OP is to watch what his schedule is. and when he comes home and locks the door, they unlock it as soon as he goes into his apmnt. Dont get me wrong, I'd prefer the door locked, but I also would make them a freakin key.
@@gryphonennis1002 but they got keys. according to the story. they all have keys. what does them stop from either using their keys or requesting new ones. not everyone shoud be allowed to give keys out. and if there is a weird reason why the landlord dones not want to give them keys? that's between the renter and the landlord. OP is a third party in that contract and would open himself up to a bunch of liabilities, if he gave out copies of the key. and it's not like asking the landlord is hard.
Fluff you missed one thing in the last story, there are a bunch of kids in an unlock building, that’s very unsafe for many reasons and it take 1 creep/criminal to change there mind. NTA the landlord should be talked to about this, I hate to hear if kids got kidnapped one day because they were standing in a unlocked hallway waiting for there Mom.
Story 5: To be fair, I’ve called the cops for noise complaints before. I love my peace and quiet, and wear headphones anytime I’m listening to music or something. I don’t care if it’s a football party, if I ask politely for you to keep it down and you refuse, I’ll probably call the cops and the landlord. This doesn’t make me a jerk, it’s just common courtesy. To be fair, I’m also not a sports fan in general.
Parking in front of neighbor's house. It's possible that neighbor wanted her mom to be able to park right in front of her house because her mom has trouble walking or it's painful for her to walk very far. OP could and should have asked if there was a reason her mom needed to park close but they instead chose to just be the ahole about it.
That crossed my mind but also when op said they wouldn’t be moving their car I just thought where are the from? It’s like 3 day maximum on street parking before you have to move otherwise you get a ticket or towed where I’m from
@@hanavanover6524 Yeah, where I am I think it's the 72 hours/3 days you mention that's the max allowed before consequences. It's been a while since I heard the story but I'm thinking it didn't seem to be in the US but not positive.
Op in the story with the cheater only gave a tiny push. Gorilla didn’t ask how he knew she was cheating, who the other guy was, when, nothing. He fully believed him which means he was already super suspicious
Last story, it seems like everyone, including our wonderful Mr Fluff, that another reason that OP doesn't want to make copies is that perhaps that the key he has is one of those keys that you're not allowed to make copies of, only the current owner of the key can, which is the landlord.
Wall-banging story: I was super worried that this was the story where OP reveals that the neighbor has her mother’s corpse rotting in a rocking chair in her home
For your last story, I would say OP is NTA. You can never take building security for granted. OP is doing the right and responsible thing by using the key that his landlord/managers gave him specifically to secure the common area. If the other tenants lost their common area key, that is their problem and they should inform the manager. $70 is not unreasonable as a fine for losing your key. However, I can understand the other tenants frustrations regarding the common area. The best solution would be one of convenience. The landlord/managers should have a common lock core made that can be opened by their unit keys. It’s not difficult for a good locksmith to do this. That way, a tenant only needs to use a single key to open the common areas and their own unit. The landlord could also use an electronic auto lock that is activated via a key fob and a timer. The door would unlock at 8:00 and lock at 18:00 and tenants can use the fob to unlock the common area doors. This is exactly how my complex works. But suffice it to say, OP shouldn’t be punished for doing the right thing and following his lease agreement.
In most places the fee for a lost key is to cover the cost of the lock being replaced, since when the key is lost, it could be in the possession of someone who knows what it unlocks, meaning a decent landlord won't just give them another key, but will remove the lock and replace the key for everyone in the building. Which is why it's not ideal to have the single key, since the landlord would need to get multiple individual keys cut (more expensive and more hassle to remember who needs to be given which key) vs just getting X amount of one key for the new front door lock. That being said, for smaller properties it is very handy to have those "multi keys" - my parents have them on their front door, back door, patio doors and two doors on the garage. I have one single key that will open all those doors (for emergency reasons and I'm warned almost weekly that I need to tell them asap if I loose/misplace it lol), but the key they used on a daily basis just opens the front and back doors. And they have a key cut for the local kid that does their yard work and it only open one door to the part of the garage where the gardening tools are stored, so he can work away even if no-one is home. It's very handy compared to the amount of keys I remember my mum having for my grandparents house when I was little - keys for various doors, including outside sheds and padlocks for all sorts, etc. It could sometimes take 4 or 5 attempts to find the right key for a lock if Grandad wanted something from the locked container inside his shed, but his own mobility meant it wasn't safe for him to get it himself and with general "old age" his memory of what key was for which thing, was starting to fade.
Story 4: Geez, I remember when there was this super-loud party late at night in my neighborhood, I could barely sleep. If you're going to have a party at night and outside, please keep it quiet. People are trying to sleep!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!! I have a neighbor who in the summertime has these monster outdoor parties. They are quite loud and quite annoying, but I've learned over the decades on how to pick and choose my battles. I play nice with them, and they play nice with me. They live directly behind me, and they have the kind of friends who could make life extremely miserable for me if they so desire. But, the one thing that we all have going for ourselves, is that they actually respect the cutoff time for permissible noise in the neighborhood. Moral of this story is to play nice with the neighbors, because chances are very good that they will play nice for you.
Last story - NTA I assume OP selected that building because of the secured door. I would inform the landlord of the situation and let them take care of it.
I don't think the last guy is the AH. It's not safe to leave the door unlocked! (even if they were lucky so far) The others should try to work it out with the landlord, and if that doesn't work split the cost of a key and make copies
My upstairs neighbor is a butthurt fellow who is unable maintaining healthy relationships. It's not possible for him to hear my tv because I never hear anything from my downstairs neighbor. Everytime he has a new woman everything is fine and dandy, but when the unevitable fighting commences, he starts his tantrums. He bangs his doors loudly and stomps the floor when he thinks my tv is too loud. I ignore everything and that makes him even more angry. I'm waiting him having either heart attack or aneurysm from elevated blood pressure. Best part is my volume levels are at minimum at nights and the night peace is between 10pm to 7am. He has no valid basis for complaints. And besides, I'm so amused by his bitching that it gives me so much early sadistic joy.
No, he isn't the AH. Bad neighborhood especially. In a building with single mothers and kids? That is a target. Just because people have gotten used to the laziness, doesn't mean its the right thing to do.
For the last story, sometimes you cannot make a copy of the security door key. It is stamped on the key itself. No one, not even the machines can do it. You would have to go to the landlord to replace the key and pay for it.
Story 7. OP is definitely not the a-hole. It’s a dangerous neighborhood. Locked door is safer for everyone. If they don’t have a key to the main door, it’s their problem
In Story 6, I would've looked into suing her for defamation, because accusing a man of being a pedo can be career ending, specially if things are posted on social media.
He is not the a-hole. Not his fault they lost their keys. It's their grown up responsibility to get it replaced if needed. If that door is an included security for the building he has every right to use it and feel as secure as possible in his apartment
If there is something in the lease preventing you from copying keys, then NTA for last story. If they clause doesn’t exist, I’d say nta for locking the door, but ata for not just making some copies for everyone, they could have even made some cash doing it.
But what if OP made copies and give it to someone who wasn't a legal tenant, but an entitled MIL or something, who then uses her key as "proof" she lives there? Or an abusive ex of a tenant who has been evicted? A tenant won't have any access to documents to know who is/isn't legally entitled to a key of the building.
As far as the final story goes, the new neighbor has every right to lock the hallway door, especially if they know the risk to themselves by leaving it unlocked. They are also right for not giving up their key to one of the neighbors and making a copy of the neighbors, it would the managing companies responsibility to issue hallway keys to all residents of the property. This could also cause an insurance issue because, most building insurance policies require that the building is secure, by leaving the door unlocked, they are opening up the residents to further liability. Again, the Landlord needs to provide the residents with a key to the Hallway, if they don't its not the new neighbors problem.
Story 6: The OP didn't go far enough. That lady could have absolutely ruined his life. That is a horrible accusation to level at someone. It could have destroyed his marriage,cost him his job, and his home. He should have had the attorney sue her for slander! She's just going to do the same thing, to another guy, wherever she winds up.
OP, get your own door reinforced, second lock or deadbolt put in, you will feel safer, with a peep-hole, so you can see if anyone is standing out there waiting for you to exit.
Good on that person for finally telling that man he was being cheated on. Always tell somebody when they're being cheated on. I'm sure there will be people saying that you should mind your own business but those are just the cheaters😉
Edit: It's not OP's job to pay for the other tenants to get a key to the hallway. There's a reason the landlord charges a lot, so they don't just give random people one of the keys. The last story, OP is not the A*Hole, the neighbors lost their key to the hallway door, unwilling to pay the building owner to get a replacement, but expecting OP to ignore their concerns, or to give their key so they can make a duplicate of it for the hall door. The fact the other tenants started to ignore OP just because they're unwilling to obey makes them the A*Holes. whether it's a weird tradition or whatever, they can't expect OP to follow in line, just because none of them can keep up with a stupid hall key. You can't call OP out for wanting to ensure they're safe when they're in the top 5 bad neighborhoods in the city. Also, think about the reasons why OP's apartment was empty, the last tenant possibly didn't feel safe and was being forced to keep the door unlocked. Heaven forbid OP listens, and a bad guy waits in the hallway for one of the women to get home. Safety takes priority, them not wanting to spend $70 on a new key will cause them to risk their health and safety because "it's too much to spend $70" or "We never had to worry" doesn't mean that something wouldn't happen if OP stops locking the door.
Anyone calling the last guy an AH has clearly never lived in a dangerous neighborhood. They have kids and see absolutely nothing wrong with leaving a door unlocked to a residency where they live? Like that's just a whole lack of responsibility. OP shouldn't be shamed for having common sense and survival skills. And he doesn't have to be responsible for getting them new keys, they can ask their landlords they are adults. You'd think parents would realize that if the adult man doesn't feel safe in that neighborhood that maybe they should have a little more caution. They should be like OP and build a habit of locking the door NOW before the day comes when they wish they HAD locked it.
But it's not his responsibility that they lost their keys for that door. What the tenants should do is go to the landlord themselves and get a copy. yes it is $70 but they were aware and chose to be irresponsible.
I agree with @Georaider , if I owned a building, I would want to make absolutely certain that I knew every key copy that had been made for it. The other tenants absolutely need to go through the landlord on this one.
Just so they can all lose their keys again, and for there to be even more keys out in the world that anyone can find and use? No. Not his problem. Not the a hole. He has a right to feel safe in his home.
In #7, since so many keys have been lost, ask the landlord to change the lock on the hall door and give out new keys to everyone. Or change it to a keypad and give out the combination to all.
Why were so many keys have been lost? Between 3 tenants, could none of them keep a key safe with them? That seems a bit sus. I have 2 keychains and ALWAYS keep them on my person where I can feel them Are these ladies loaning the keys out to bf's or family members? That's the only explanation for the repeated losses
Story 3 reminds me of an incident I had with an irate customer. I’m a retail shift manager. For some strange reason a woman comes in yelling at me saying I disrespected her daughter and some other incoherent stuff. Another customer comes to my rescue wanting to push her out but she walks out before he’s able to. Customer asks if I’m ok. I told him I’m fine and the jokes on her. The last thing the lady said to me was that I must be broke working a minimum wage job. She had a cheap dye job and bad make up. I told the customer I live in this part of town, very affluent, in my own home. I got lucky in real estate 10 years ago. Most of my neighbors make more than my husband and my salary combined. My house has gone up 50% in value since I bought it. I tell the guy, I doubt she has her own home, let alone one as expensive as mine. Be careful who you insult about being poor.
Last story sounds almost more like malicious compliance more than anything. I'm sure somewhere in the lease it probably talks about keeping the hallway door locked, otherwise why give everyone a key? If they lose their key, that's kind of on them, I bet if people actually bothered to lock the door those keys wouldn't be getting lost as much. Besides that, they're probably going to have to pay for a replacement key to the landlord someday anyway since the landlord generally expects keys back if and when they move out, and it probably won't be the same design as the original or be missing a serial number or something. Like, yeah, still let them get their duplicate, or just make a duplicate 'master key' for them, but I'm also willing to bet they probably have 'do not duplicate' inscribed on them.
If I've just moved into a new place, I'm definitely not gonna help random strangers to get a key to my building. I'd have no way of knowing who isn't and isn't an actual tenant and it's not my responsibility to find out (via them proving they have a key to their apartment or whatever). I'd have been reporting it to the landlord when people started banging on the door to get entry into the building. Play innocent that your worried because people are constantly knocking on the front door and then other tenants are letting them into your building, but it's clear they have no key and you're scared. And even if they keys themselves don't say "do not duplicated" most tenancy agreements will explicitly ban tenants from making copies of their keys, so OP could get eviced if the landlord found out they made multiple copies and give them to strangers.
Oh man, my first apartment had a courtyard with a walkway and this one dude would talk on the phone and walk all around the circle. I finally opened my window and said, "Hey, since you pay good money to have your own place, would you mind talking inside of it?"
I don’t understand why the last stories OP would be considered an AH. It was the other tenants responsibility to know where there keys were located. Why should he be responsible to get them new keys. Most are stamped with Do Not Copy. Those moms need to call the landlord & stop putting other people at risk.
Last Story: NTA Of course OP can buy copies if they're willing, but the neighbors aren't entitled to it. It's not OP's fault the other tenants don't follow procedure and end up losing their keys. OP should keep it up, their neighbors are the entitled ones that don't know how to follow rules or keep up with their own responsibilities. I know I sure as hell would. I would probably even double down after the neighbors started being difficult about it. While OP could have handled it differently, he's not actually the one in the wrong. That's why he isn't the a-hole.
story 4, that's a new one. I know from another story, that recording and playing back with a half second delay is seriously annoying and will kill any music. and I know a story where an electrician rigged his audio setup to induce loud noise into the audio cables of the offending neighbor. but playback of gossip? that's new. suggestions for more subtile versions of revenge. audio recording, speech to text (no problem with AI) and publish the transcripts on the neighbor-facebook group.
OP should never have let Karen in that first time. The stupidity of people expecting OP to keep doing just that... WHY did they never go to management (OP included) about this problem? Oh, sure, it would be cheaper to copy OP's key, but how many rules/laws would that have broken? OP could have been evicted, arrested, and who knows what else for violating the lease. I think more people should read their rental agreement again.
Story 7: NTA. OP shouldn't have to sacrifice his peace of mind and personal safety for some stuck up, entitled Karens who think their way is right. And for that commentor who said he should just let his neighbors copy his key has obviously never rented before. The landlord can push charges for duplicating keys that aren't for OP to duplicate.
I beg to differ with the last story. It’s a crime ridden area, and it may even affect OP’s insurance if he’s robbed and the insurance company discovers that a main door onto the property is habitually left unlocked by the agreement of ALL the residents, OP included. And why is it OP’s responsibility to get everyone else a new key? Honestly, the rest of the residents sound like an absolute nightmare. OP is definitely NTA. He should report them all to the building manager.
So you sign a lease for an apartment in a locked building and then realise that the door doesn't lock, and then get harassed by strangers because you won't let them into the building that they have no key for, and then further harassed for not facilitating strangers to get keys to your building, and that makes them the AH? In most places it's illegal for a tenant to make copies of their keys, especially with the intention of distributing them to strangers that he has no way of knowing if they are or aren't legal tenants or not.
OP & his neighbors who lost their keys. OP probably moved into that particular apartment bldg because of the locked outer door. Why the heck should he leave it unlocked? As for him making copies of his key for the neighbors, I certainly wouldn't. All of them agreed to break their landlord's rules by leaving the outer door unlocked & not having their keys replaced. Interesting how none of them lost their own apt keys. If they lost their apt keys, I bet none of them would 'just leave the door unlocked'. They would be very protective of their property but they don't care about the property of their landlord who, I'm sure if his bldg was vandalized would have a fit knowing the outer door was kept unlocked by his renters. Their keys are their damn responsibility. Let them all ask the landlord to make the $70 for each copy for them.
Last story. WTF DarkFluff. Totally NTA. It’s not OPs fault they were irresponsible with their keys. If I lived there I’d lock that door as well. They need to take responsibility and order new keys from the landlord.
OP is not the Ahole. It's not his fault they lost their keys. And honestly that's a major problem If they ALL lost the keys to that door. He shouldn't have to be their for them fucking up.
Concerning the fence & the tree. I would have agreed to let the neighbor do the tree with a guarantee of liability. Many different kinds of fences need mending.
Story 7: NTA, because it might be in the lease that you do not copy the key. If OP does copy the key, then he could get kicked out. The $70 for the landlord to do it probably includes new keys for everyone and a new lock on the outside doors. If a tenet lost their key, then who now has it? So, again NTA.
I can understand if it's $70 to be shared by everybody. But $70 each is extortionist. I don't know how is it in the USA, but in my country every locks on the shop are sold with 3 - 5 copy of keys. And they're start at $10 for the entire set.
@@gorilladisco9108 It should be the person to first report the key lost, but no one will admit they are the cause. Those $10 locks are trash locks and lack security. The locks I buy are $40 per and offer way more security and physical resistance to brute force. The locks typically on apartment outside doors in the US are usually even more expensive, because they are way stronger and they don't use the SC1 (Schlage) or KW1 (Kwikset) keyways that are very common in the US. This increases the cost of copying keys and most locksmiths won't touch them unless a business agent is present. The likes of Walmart, Home Depot, Lowe's, Menard's, etc. won't have the blanks or equipment to copy them. Also how many outside doors would need a rekeying? It usually isn't just one. The last apartment I lived in had 5-6 doors to the outside, not counting sliding doors on patios.
@@dl200010 "The locks I buy are $40 per and offer way more security and physical resistance to brute force." Still way cheaper than $280 for 4 tenants.
@@gorilladisco9108 You are assuming that everyone would have to pay the $70 and ignoring where I said they are probably using more expensive commercial locks. The $40 locks I get are not commercial grade. They are regular residential locks, just higher quality, strength, and pick resistance. The few lease agreements I have entered into where the building had external security doors said that if you lost the key you had to pay to get all locks replaced and all keys, and because of all that $70 is quite low. My leases had costs of $100-$300. Each building will have a different cost, depending on how many units and how many exterior doors. I doubt each tenet will have to pay the $70, only the one that first reported it lost. They are just refusing to report it to not have to pay, which is probably in violation of the lease as well.
Last story: I'm sorry, what? The neighbors lost their keys and demand the door stay unlocked because they don't wanna pay the money for new keys from the landlord. And it likely will put OP in trouble with the landlord to copy the key without the landlord's knowledge, because the landlord wouldn't know to account for those copied keys when those residents move out. Let's say that they all shared an appartment and a few of them lost their keys. Would you leave the door unlocked all the time in that case? Of fucking course not. The landlord has a lock on that hallway door for a reason. If you loose the keys to it, you're gonna have to ask the landlord for new ones. OP is just following landlord rules instead of customs that disregard the rules. Not only are all the neighbors at risk by leaving the door open, but by loosing the keys as well. The lost keys should've been reported way sooner, because it just takes one person to find them and they can enter without anyone's knowledge. I'd say that the neighbors are being the assholes here for pushing their problem onto OP instead of contacting the landlord. The fact that everyone lost their keys within the first year of living there shows that they don't really care about the responsibility of those keys. If you want to get into the locked area, you should've been more responsible with making sure that you have a key in the first place. I can guarantee you that if OP would've let them make copies, those copies would also be lost within a year. If i was in that situation, i would've contacted the landlord and explained the situation. That the neighbors are harassing me for locking the hallway door that the landlord clearly intended to be locked, just because they don't want to buy a new set of keys at the agreed price. I'd express disappointment at the neighbors being offended by me following the rules of the appartment instead of being irresponsible with the appartment, but asking the landlord to check on the building to see if theres maybe a solution that can be made such as a passcode lock that won't require keys. I can see why OP might be seen as a bit of a jerk, but he was absolutely not in the wrong. The first few times that the neighbors were locked out should've been enough of a sign to request new keys, so it's absolutely not OP's responsibility or fault. If you loose the key of your appartment, you immediately call to have it replaced. But the shared hallway? You don't need keys for that, because you can just scream at your neighbor at 2 am to let you in. That sort of thinking is just gambling that the other neighbors will enable your irresponsible behavior. It's entirely on you if another neighbor decides to hold you accountable for it.
Story 7 the OP isn’t the asshole as the other tenants should have told the landlord about losing the key plus how could they all lost the key as far as I knew you have your keys on you when you leave so they would of had to lose all of there keys
"Good fences make good neighbors. Bad neighbors make good fertilizer!" 😂
Story six.... OP could have taken Karen to court for harrassment, slander and libel. Karma, B!! 😡
Careful, that line of thinking gets us closer to soylent green 😂 but yeah humans would decompose nicely under a yard
I couldn't have said it better.
Unfortunately, I think the Charloton Heston reference goes over 90% of the viewers heads 😅😅😅@bluntizard4481
Bad Neighbours make so-so Fertilizer unless run through a tree chipper first...
Bad neighbour flavoured Chunky Salsa makes Excellent Fertilizer...
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😂😂😂 you all crack me up. Great comments!
OP has a DAMNED good case against Karen for libel AND slander.
We had a neighbor that insisted our daughter banged on the wall in the middle of the night, which would have involved her waking up at 2-3 am. Every night. I knew she was nuts, told her our daughter was sleeping soundly every night, and she was possibly hearing water pipes or something else. She insists that we make our daughter stop. Her brother who lived with her accuses us as calling his sister a liar. I again say there is absolutely no way what she thought was happening could possibly be happening, because not only was our daughter asleep, the so called shared wall has a stairwell in between so there was no way our daughter was waking up in the middle of the night, floating above the stairs to where her bedroom was, kicking the wall, floating back down onto the stairs, and then going back to sleep.
Story 6 - I feel really sorry for the kid who has that Karen for a mother. I mean imagine having a mom like that that spreads awful lies about someone for no reason, other than she’s a psycho, only to have the whole neighborhood turn on her and being forced to leave because of her.
Dude coulld have sued the snot out of her for defamation
@@tippyc2 That’s true, harassment and defamation
@@tmntfangirl4700no way
That lady is like ohmwrecker, making extreme allegations without proof, evidence, or a sliver self-preservation. She cried wolf, and the town got pissed
Poor kid! That Karen is just going to traumatize this child!
I live in an apartment with a secured front door entrance. We aren't supposed to let anyone in unless we know them. The landlord needs to make new keys.
Some keys I've had got numbers stamped on them, which meant most key cutting places won't touch them, so it's possible OP couldn't make a copy even if they wanted.
@@konradgreen2567 I've made keys with numbers stamped into them... I've even stamped them with the number. I was also trained to check for a "do not duplicate" message and to refuse to duplicate those ones.
@@konradgreen2567 It's not because he couldn't. It's because he wouldn't.
@@konradgreen2567 Maybe, but given that OPs neighbours offered to pay to duplicate the key, how is that OP's problem?
@@wolphin732 I'm curious. What will happen if the actual owner wants to duplicate keys with "do not duplicate" message? What proof of ownership they shall present to you?
Last story:
Door meant to prevent unauthorized people from entering the building is left unlocked.
Sooner or later someone will inevitably break in.
"Ooh my god, how could this have happened??"
Some times in the hood there are unspoken rules, and rule 1) never fuck with the peace, if shit has worked out keep it working 2) act like you belong and you don't get fuck with
See the thing is, if that door is meant to be locked at all times and the ladies aren't locking it for whatever reason then they're the jerks! I've dealt with this before and felt safe when we had the door locked as before we had vagrants hiding in our basement, defecting doing drugs, and breaking into storage units. If they lost them then they need to get new ones or the rental office need to apply an automatic locking door knob! That's what ours was and nobody EVER lost their key!
I totally disagree with the end of the last story. I’d definitely want my doors all kept locked (ESPECIALLY in a “bad” neighborhood). Just because everyone else was irresponsible and lost their key, doesn’t make OP the a-hole.
@@maggiebaxter610 yes, it does. They specifically refused to allow the neighbors to get new keys, instead forcing them to pay because they are a dick.
My thoughts as well. I mean the op is and is not the AH. It is better to lock it. But no one has the key. I think he should have been willing to duplicate it with the landlord permission for everyone. And they have kids. Diffently should lock that gate
OP could have threatened her with a lawsuit for slander and or defamation as well as called the postal service and asked him if by putting letters in mailboxes was illegal in their town If that's considered tampering with mail.
It is a Federal law that prohibits anyone other than an authorized postal employee or the owner of a mailbox (or mail slot in a door) to put anything in or on said mailbox or mail slot. It has nothing to do with what city, town or state they live in. Federal law applies to the entirety of the USA.
US Postal laws are country wide. You can get in legal trouble for putting anything except Mail in anyone's mailbox. They can even just wait and talk with their normal Mailman. They would know who/where/when to talk to. And might even be able to start an investigation for them. I've known 2 people who went to prison for separate incidents. 1 could've killed someone. The 2nd was for putting letters in mailboxes. Yes there was more for each incident but it's been a few years and have forgotten.
It is a Federal offense to use a mailbox that way, you have to use postage for anything that you put into a mailbox, so she was violating a federal law.
Final story, here in Australia I rarely lock my doors, and I wouldn't want to be locked in like a prisoner, but if that's what OP wants he can at least provide a copy of the hallway door. YTA
Last story. The landlord has a right to be the gatekeeper of the hallway keys. Making a copy or allowing others to make a copy without the landlords knowledge would be improper. And likely illegal.
Also very dangerous! The landlord and the tenants (both current and prospective) don't know who gets the copies!
And also is possible for them to lose his one too
I'm shocked at how many people want OP to have just made copies of the key to his building and to give it to a bunch of strangers that he doesn't know. Like he could give a key to an evicted tenant or the abusive ex partner of someone, or just a random person who is squatting in store room on another floor!
When I lived in an apartment, there was a specific section of my lease agreement that stated how we weren't permitted to let anyone else follow us through the front door, under any circumstances, even if we knew the person. And everyone understood this and we didn't "hold the door" for others, unless we could see their key (our front door key was pretty unique - at 25 years old, I'd never seen a key like it before). We had two front doors on our building, one that wasn't locked and only led to a small hallway with a small shelf, so that tenants could set down anything they were carrying and get their key out and unlock the door while being dry and warm, and with a light, which also helped to reduce the temptation to hold the door for someone if it was late/dark or the weather was bad, or they had a lot of bags.
Story 6 warmed my heart. Good on these folks for taking it to that psycho. Some people have gotten WAY too comfortable with casually calling others pedophiles. It's the most heinous thing you can accuse somebody of. She should have been sued.
But she got her just desserts from OP
i still think that false claims about sex offenses should be punished as havin the same penalites as the claimed ofense
The unlocked hallway door is a thing where I live. So it’s slightly dangerous where we had to get security guards every night and a full building sweep around 1-3a. It was annoying because I always heard running and slamming of doors breaking glass and cops and residents yelling at each other in the hallway. I live in Florida where most are armed with gun or tasers. I get that. But after the sweeps and clean outs, our property manger got the gate outside fixed and locked. The key replacement is 100$ and no you cannot take it and make copies without the landlords permission. It’s a safety issue. If you lose the key, they have to change the lock and reissue a new key just in case someone knows what the key is for. Same as your apartment keys. It’s 75 to replace that and the lock.
If OP did get the key copied he could’ve gotten in trouble by the landlord or property manager. Not worth losing your home over. The residents need to get their own as the hallway door is lock for a reason. If someone realizes that it’s never locked one day down the road, it could be trouble for them. NTA people who live in apartments should really read their lease regarding copies of keys. If they can do it themselves or must go through the property manager or owner. It could cost you ur home or fees.
Yeah, but they've been living there a long time. OP just moved in. He is the AH.
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*It'd be different if OP just made up this rule.. but he DIDN'T! The door is supposed to be locked.. and one would THINK since they have children, they would want their apt to be SAFE!*
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you cant lose your home over making a key at worst you get fined the amount the complex charges you for one IF they find out
@@leemitchell7841 it depends on the lease which is why I read every last word.
@@leemitchell7841 you definitely can be kicked out of a rental property for breaking the terms of your lease agreement, which for most apartments with a shared door, will state that you can't make copies of that key or give it to anyone not on the rental agreement.
Story 4 is a literal show of the Miranda rights "Anything you say can and will be used against you".
Also, doors have eyes and ears.
I feel like story 4 is just written by a karrrn
Fence story: Well done OP. But it seems odd that the neighbor's house was so close to the property line. Usually there's a minimum setback distance.
Laurel bush vs cedar tree story: Saying "NO" shouldn't stop the project, it just makes it more expensive as now the tree guys have to climb the tree instead of using a cherry picker. It can be done, just takes more time which equals more money.
New house story: I would move my car just to stop the complaints and to keep the crazy neighbor from getting the idea of damaging the car in some way. But I would not move into a duplex ever again for this type of situation.
Super bowl party story: Given that it would have taken place well before quiet hours almost anywhere, yeah, making a noise complaint wasn't going to fly.
"Pedo" story: Another busybody with nothing better to do than to try to destroy lives. Given she was sticking letters in people's mailboxes, well that's actually a federal offense if you wanted to push it. But it seems like OP and others managed to get rid of her. I pity the new neighborhood though, and her kid who now has to make new friends and start a new school.
Locked door story: Mildly YTA! If they give you the money to pay for making duplicate keys, what's the problem? Unless it is a high security key which has do not duplicate on it, that is. I do understand not wanting to leave doors unlocked, but not helping out making copies that don't cost $70 thru the landlord isn't very neighborly.
locked door story: op is NTA as if he did as you said he could be looking for a new place as you dont know what his contract says about making copies of the door key. while i agree that he could he shouldn't if its gonna break his contract
Story 7: OP is NTA. The only reason that door has been unlocked is because none of them want to pay to replace their keys. It's a safety risk and just because nothing hasn't happened (to our knowledge) doesn't mean that nothing will should it continue. I would've gone further and reported it to the building owner/manager that I was continuously finding the hall door left unlocked.
Last story - NOT the AH. It is not OP's responsibility to get keys for everybody else. And I don't think that's exactly legal because he is not the landlord, and if he does it who knows who's going to have those keys, another tenant could give one to somebody who doesn't really belong there. And I say, no, just keep locking the door, it's about your safety.
stop being selfish and just allow them to get a copy of the key at least
@@trollforfunsodonttakemeser2374 It’s likely illegal to make a copy of a key to a place you don’t own
@@trollforfunsodonttakemeser2374 why do you want to let unknown strangers make a copy of the key to the front door of your building? Can the new tenant verify if everyone who asks for a key is actually a tenant?
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Last story: I would give this a “No one sucks here”. While the new tenant could easily give or sell copies to the others, this could be a violation of the tenant agreement and get OP and/or others booted. Best bet is, as Fluff said, for OP to call the landlord in on it and hope they’re not an asshole.
Go Pack Go crazy story I had moved to Green Bay WI a Cowboy fan but ended up becoming a Packer fan after going to a few games for free
Also, such keys usually have "Do not duplicate" stamped into them. It might be difficult to get copies made.
@@RoburDrake Most locksmiths will not copy them, but the dodgy ones will, and make an extra, giving to the thieves, so they know where to go because the people there are likely to have no security at all, and are easy pickings. OP tell landlord about this, and that the security of his investment is at high risk from the others failing to obey the leases they all signed.
We have keys that the locksmiths can't and won't copy,,,,but I can go on a 2h cruise,to the next country, where they do almost anything for money..
In the last story, OP is NOT the A-hole, in my opinion. It is not OP's fault, the other tenants lot their hallway keys and its their responsibility to replace them. As a woman, I would definitely not feel as safe, if just anyone off street could wander into the building. Seen that far too much, having lived in apartments for more then 40 years.
At the point where he wasn't willing to copy the key if they paid him, he was the a-hole. That's being stubborn for no reason
@@KaliTakumi He was being stubborn for not allowing strangers to make copies of the key to the front door of his building? OP had no way of verifying who are the legal tenants, since he doesn't know any of them and he isn't the landlord. I'd be furious to find out that a new tenant started giving out they key to my front door.
@@LovelyLawla Hey genius, he could tell because they have the key to their own apartment. Notice how he didn't mention not knowing whether they were tenants in his story
@@KaliTakumi Just because someone has a key, doesn't mean they are actually on the lease - it could be a family member, a friend, a sub-let, a squatter. No-one actually worries if the people they see in the corridor are on the paperwork for the other apartments, but it is definitely something that needs to be considered if you are giving out the key to the door of your building. It's not OPs job to go around and have their neighbours prove that they have a key that opens an apartment within the building and then give them the keys to the front door too. If the neighbours were careless enough to loose the keys, they need to have the hassle of dealing directly with the landlord about the consequences.
Last Story: IF the neighborhood really is as dangerous as OP says, then he's mostly not the AH since he's in the right to care about his safety, BUT, he IS the AH for not helping the others to get their own keys in that case.
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he tenant can't help the other tenants get keys because he has no way of knowing who is a legal tenant and who could potentially be squatting with someone or an evicted tenant whose refusing to leave. I've seen enough videos about entitled people on here to be able to imagine the kinds of legal trouble OP could have gotten into and gotten his landlord into if he, the new tenant, just starts making random people make copies of the key into a secure building. What if someone who wasn't a tenant got a key from OP and came in and SA'd someone?
Dude is not the ahole, the door is supposed to be locked, it's a bad neighborhood, the burden of responsibility falls upon the adults that are unfortunately raising children to keep track of important things like keys and get their own replacement if lost. I have no sympathy for them and would have done the same thing.
I disagree. He knows they don't have keys, won't let them in when he locks them out, and refuses to let them pay him to make copies then whines about their lack of hospitality. What a crybaby
Only problem is, the neighbours were willing to compromise and asked for OP to help them replace their lost keys.
OP refused and pretty much destroyed any case for a NTA verdict.
From the story we can discern that the neighbors are actually aware that the hall shall be locked. The problem is they lost their keys. And instead of OP became their hero by let them copy the key, he went, "Hurr durr, I have the key and you don't, mwahahahaha!". He's an AH.
Actually certain keys can not just be duplicated the key place will need permission to make duplicates from the owner/building management
Those are security locks & because of this it's expensive to get them replaced
There is very likely a clause in the tenancy agreement about it as well as that the door should be locked at all times.
Given the fact the landlord charges them this much I'm actually very certain that this is the case
It's the other tenants' responsibility to contact the landlord to get the replacement keys & they are actually lucky that the, OP is not reporting this to the landlord because the landlord would then have cause to evict all of them
completely disagree the landlord has to know its not locked and just doesnt care so why should OP get to comes in and change everything thats been going on for 5 years and if it maters that damn much let them copy your key, at worst they geyt charged by the complex at best its a $20 fix for all 3 neighbors.
Playing the party gossip back at the party was a cool move.
Party story: I have friends who when they host a party invite the whole block whether they know them or not, including neighbors behind them. Makes for a great evening and meet some new people.
Lost key story: How do you lose an important key? Simply put it on your keyring. And everyone lost the same key?! Something seems fishy.
OP is NOT the ahole in the final story. People shouldnt have lost there keys. Ive libed in a secured apt building like that and if the door was found unlocked everyone got in trouble. I dont blame OP for being uncomfortable i would be also. DONT LOSE YOUR IMPORTANT KEYS.
Story 6: Karen got off really lucky. Libel, Slander, Defamation of Character, Trespassing, Harassment, Tampering with Mailboxes. OP could have sued her for a LOT of money.
OMG, I feel the loud neighbors story. We had a quiet neighborhood until they moved in. They have three girls with a massive number of cousins who come and go from their house. These children treat screaming like a freakin' Olympic sport, engaging in, what I can only imagine to be, screaming contests to see who can scream the loudest.
At night, I will hear at least one of the girls screaming at the top of her little lungs FOR HOURS even when I'm in my living room. When they first moved here, I called the cops a couple times because it sounded like someone was being murdered. Now I know that's just what they do. I hate it. They're entitled, use our driveway without permission, let the kids (often about eight of them, ranging in age from two to about nine,) terrorize the whole street on their scooters with no supervision whatsoever, and act angry with ME for not just watching their kids while the parents are nowhere to be seen. They leave toys in the street all up and down the street (scooters, bikes, dolls, balls, you name it,) so there's no way for vehicle traffic to access our street, and absolutely trash people's yards when they aren't looking. I made the mistake of leaving my front door open one day, and a freaking PARADE of children just walked into my house uninvited. I corralled them out of my house, and their dad had the nerve to get annoyed WITH ME and tell me I'm not allowed to have my own front door open because his kids will just 'go on in.' Like, how the hell is that my fault, bro?
for the last one, NTA! i'm a retired cop and i've lost count of the fools who tell me they don't lock their doors or stuff never happens in their neighborhood. they were usually telling me this as i took a burglary report or some other complaint of criminal activity. at one point i lived in an apartment that put in security locks on the front and back entries because of a new local ordinance. some jerk(s) kept disabling the locks and letting their "friends" vandalize the halls. they were evicted eventually for drunken parties where windows were smashed. too bad it took so long.
Story 7: No, you are not the A-hole. I would've done the same. If the neighbors can't keep their keys safe, then they need a reminder. Losing communal keys put everyone at risk. And it's even worse when the neighborhood is rated as dangerous.
You should contact the landlord to make him switch the lock, issue new keys to the tenants, and split the cost between the losers.
Story 7: So because the complex is full of lazy or incompetent people who can't be bothered going to their landlords and requesting a replacement key and paying the fee for said key, they'd rather lower their own security and safety in their apartments by keeping an external door unlocked 24/7? Absolutely ridiculous. If I was OP I would've contacted my landlord and let them know that the people living there are keeping the door unlocked and are requesting I keep it unlocked too, all because they lost their external door key.
Story 6: Wow, what's her problem? Of course teens would ask about a luxurious car, like who wouldn't?
Is the ex-neighbor jealous that OP has a luxury car, is this projection, is there some other delusion involved? We will never know since she left.
She is lucky OP didn't sue her
Yeah, surprised he didn't sue for slander and libel.
If in the US, her putting stuff in the post boxes is a federal crime.
She is stereotyping a childless man because he obviously is a chicken hawk because her son and friends are talking to him
I drive a Tesla. Kids are curious and ask me questions all the time and no parent has ever accused me of being a pedophile. Ever. Most parents make some joke about their kid wanting the parent to buy a Tesla after talking to me but I've never been accused of buying it to attract children. That's a really really large leap to make from observing children curious about a car.
Story 5 - What OP did may be considered petty but honestly all OP did was confirm what the Gorilla man already suspected.
I almost expected him to say, "Wow, you are so much louder than the other guy."
Should have recorded the other guy leaving multiple times... and the suspicious activities.... Then give it to him. 😂😂😂
Last story: I can’t agree that the guy is an ahole in this. My building has a similar setup and in my lease agreement we have a $75 fee for missing keys but the agreement even states that the fee covers a new lock instead of a new copy of the key. Which makes sense from a security standpoint. If you’ve lost the key you don’t know who has it now so better off replacing the whole lock instead. In this case, if everyone else has lost their keys they should collectively go to the landlord and explain and if possible split the $70 fee between the three who lost their keys because it is a risk to just leave the door unlocked. Especially if they’re single mothers (meaning there are also children at risk) I’d rather own up and lose some money than leave that door unlocked. Even if it can be picked that’s still extra time if there is an intruder if they have to get through two locked doors instead of just one.
Thank you. At least someone gets it. Too many people are overly sympathetic, and that makes them easy to take advantage of.
I disagree. It is not being overly sympathetic. He's new, just moved in and is making life very difficult for the people that have lived there long before he arrived. If he doesnt like how they live in the building, he should find a solution with them or move. Or enjoy living there on his terms with everyone else hating him. Because that is the reality. I'm not saying I also wouldnt want the door locked- but he is being a d about how he is handling it. @@aaronabbey2604
Re the crazy neighbour lady who tried to ruin sports car guy's life with baseless accusations... what he did was great, but he should have sued her for defamation, libel, slander, whatever and he would have ended up owning her house, not just seeing it vacated.
Story #6 - Crazy Lady might well have learned that slander can result in some very large judgments. She's lucky it wasn't me, she was targeting, because I'd have gone the legal route.
BTW stuffing letters in mailboxes without sending it through the mail is a federal crime. She was also trespassing. The best thing you can do is putting up a no trespassing sign up as soon as you move in.
story 7: they should get a key from the landlord. the only thing, where OP could be considered to be the AH is, if he gave out the key without control of who gets it.
of course, on the other side, a lock can be picked within minutes. it's a fiction that a lock will keep you safe, and government facilities (doesn't matter which government) usually calculate in minutes how much a lock will stall an intruder.
the neighbors should get either a key form the landlord or a written permission that OP can make copies of his key.
not the Ahole. get your own bloody key..........
@robertheinrich2994 a locked door saved me friends life it gave them enough time to get a weapon. they person breaking in down on there knees until the cop took the person away
@@blackflame3411 exactly. and that's why OP can't give out the key like it is candy.
They are single moms and the landlord charges $70 a key. OP wants the door locked? OP should be a sport and make a damn copy for one of the tenants. It's not "giving the key out like candy" it's giving the key to a person who lives there. The best solution, besides the other tenants shunning OP is to watch what his schedule is. and when he comes home and locks the door, they unlock it as soon as he goes into his apmnt. Dont get me wrong, I'd prefer the door locked, but I also would make them a freakin key.
@@gryphonennis1002 but they got keys. according to the story. they all have keys. what does them stop from either using their keys or requesting new ones.
not everyone shoud be allowed to give keys out. and if there is a weird reason why the landlord dones not want to give them keys? that's between the renter and the landlord. OP is a third party in that contract and would open himself up to a bunch of liabilities, if he gave out copies of the key.
and it's not like asking the landlord is hard.
Story 4 - That was brilliant!!! I applaud OP for their clever thinking. Bravo 👏
Fluff you missed one thing in the last story, there are a bunch of kids in an unlock building, that’s very unsafe for many reasons and it take 1 creep/criminal to change there mind. NTA the landlord should be talked to about this, I hate to hear if kids got kidnapped one day because they were standing in a unlocked hallway waiting for there Mom.
Story 6 - I'm convinced there's a high chance that the woman is the creep and she's trying to mask it.
Karens like to project. What makes it especially bas is that she has a kid and the kid has to listen to the filth she spews.
Story 5: To be fair, I’ve called the cops for noise complaints before. I love my peace and quiet, and wear headphones anytime I’m listening to music or something. I don’t care if it’s a football party, if I ask politely for you to keep it down and you refuse, I’ll probably call the cops and the landlord. This doesn’t make me a jerk, it’s just common courtesy. To be fair, I’m also not a sports fan in general.
Parking in front of neighbor's house. It's possible that neighbor wanted her mom to be able to park right in front of her house because her mom has trouble walking or it's painful for her to walk very far. OP could and should have asked if there was a reason her mom needed to park close but they instead chose to just be the ahole about it.
That crossed my mind but also when op said they wouldn’t be moving their car I just thought where are the from? It’s like 3 day maximum on street parking before you have to move otherwise you get a ticket or towed where I’m from
@@hanavanover6524 Yeah, where I am I think it's the 72 hours/3 days you mention that's the max allowed before consequences. It's been a while since I heard the story but I'm thinking it didn't seem to be in the US but not positive.
Op in the story with the cheater only gave a tiny push. Gorilla didn’t ask how he knew she was cheating, who the other guy was, when, nothing. He fully believed him which means he was already super suspicious
Last story, it seems like everyone, including our wonderful Mr Fluff, that another reason that OP doesn't want to make copies is that perhaps that the key he has is one of those keys that you're not allowed to make copies of, only the current owner of the key can, which is the landlord.
It can also be a clause in the lease.
@@JamesDavy2009 That's a very good point as well.
Wall-banging story: I was super worried that this was the story where OP reveals that the neighbor has her mother’s corpse rotting in a rocking chair in her home
For your last story, I would say OP is NTA. You can never take building security for granted. OP is doing the right and responsible thing by using the key that his landlord/managers gave him specifically to secure the common area. If the other tenants lost their common area key, that is their problem and they should inform the manager. $70 is not unreasonable as a fine for losing your key.
However, I can understand the other tenants frustrations regarding the common area. The best solution would be one of convenience. The landlord/managers should have a common lock core made that can be opened by their unit keys. It’s not difficult for a good locksmith to do this. That way, a tenant only needs to use a single key to open the common areas and their own unit. The landlord could also use an electronic auto lock that is activated via a key fob and a timer. The door would unlock at 8:00 and lock at 18:00 and tenants can use the fob to unlock the common area doors. This is exactly how my complex works.
But suffice it to say, OP shouldn’t be punished for doing the right thing and following his lease agreement.
In most places the fee for a lost key is to cover the cost of the lock being replaced, since when the key is lost, it could be in the possession of someone who knows what it unlocks, meaning a decent landlord won't just give them another key, but will remove the lock and replace the key for everyone in the building. Which is why it's not ideal to have the single key, since the landlord would need to get multiple individual keys cut (more expensive and more hassle to remember who needs to be given which key) vs just getting X amount of one key for the new front door lock.
That being said, for smaller properties it is very handy to have those "multi keys" - my parents have them on their front door, back door, patio doors and two doors on the garage. I have one single key that will open all those doors (for emergency reasons and I'm warned almost weekly that I need to tell them asap if I loose/misplace it lol), but the key they used on a daily basis just opens the front and back doors. And they have a key cut for the local kid that does their yard work and it only open one door to the part of the garage where the gardening tools are stored, so he can work away even if no-one is home.
It's very handy compared to the amount of keys I remember my mum having for my grandparents house when I was little - keys for various doors, including outside sheds and padlocks for all sorts, etc. It could sometimes take 4 or 5 attempts to find the right key for a lock if Grandad wanted something from the locked container inside his shed, but his own mobility meant it wasn't safe for him to get it himself and with general "old age" his memory of what key was for which thing, was starting to fade.
Yay! Petty time
Story 4: Geez, I remember when there was this super-loud party late at night in my neighborhood, I could barely sleep.
If you're going to have a party at night and outside, please keep it quiet. People are trying to sleep!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!! I have a neighbor who in the summertime has these monster outdoor parties. They are quite loud and quite annoying, but I've learned over the decades on how to pick and choose my battles. I play nice with them, and they play nice with me. They live directly behind me, and they have the kind of friends who could make life extremely miserable for me if they so desire. But, the one thing that we all have going for ourselves, is that they actually respect the cutoff time for permissible noise in the neighborhood.
Moral of this story is to play nice with the neighbors, because chances are very good that they will play nice for you.
Pretty sure that lies in print are liable or slander or both. Pedo karen could have been sued into oblivion or arrested or both. Hopefully, both.
If it's on text or print, you have a libel mint. If it's spoken and untrue, you have slander stew.
Last story - NTA I assume OP selected that building because of the secured door. I would inform the landlord of the situation and let them take care of it.
I don't think the last guy is the AH. It's not safe to leave the door unlocked! (even if they were lucky so far) The others should try to work it out with the landlord, and if that doesn't work split the cost of a key and make copies
You blew it Frank !!! You should have said my mom is with me in the car. Normally she is working SWAT !!!!!
On the last story, op you are NOT the butthole, if you all live in a bad neighborhood, I would lock the door also.
My upstairs neighbor is a butthurt fellow who is unable maintaining healthy relationships. It's not possible for him to hear my tv because I never hear anything from my downstairs neighbor. Everytime he has a new woman everything is fine and dandy, but when the unevitable fighting commences, he starts his tantrums. He bangs his doors loudly and stomps the floor when he thinks my tv is too loud. I ignore everything and that makes him even more angry. I'm waiting him having either heart attack or aneurysm from elevated blood pressure. Best part is my volume levels are at minimum at nights and the night peace is between 10pm to 7am. He has no valid basis for complaints. And besides, I'm so amused by his bitching that it gives me so much early sadistic joy.
No, he isn't the AH. Bad neighborhood especially. In a building with single mothers and kids? That is a target. Just because people have gotten used to the laziness, doesn't mean its the right thing to do.
Giving op the money to go make some key copies is the fairest compromise I can think of.
For the last story, sometimes you cannot make a copy of the security door key. It is stamped on the key itself. No one, not even the machines can do it. You would have to go to the landlord to replace the key and pay for it.
They need to talk to the landlord, Fluff. I have been broken into and burgled while single----IT IS NOT SAFE.
Idk but if the cedar trees are that big in diameter I think it'd be protected depending on where it is.
Story 7. OP is definitely not the a-hole. It’s a dangerous neighborhood. Locked door is safer for everyone. If they don’t have a key to the main door, it’s their problem
In Story 6, I would've looked into suing her for defamation, because accusing a man of being a pedo can be career ending, specially if things are posted on social media.
Add slander and libel.
Story 5: As you said, DarkFluff, telling Gorilla man was petty BUT this IS a PettyRevenge story, lol.
He is not the a-hole. Not his fault they lost their keys. It's their grown up responsibility to get it replaced if needed. If that door is an included security for the building he has every right to use it and feel as secure as possible in his apartment
If there is something in the lease preventing you from copying keys, then NTA for last story. If they clause doesn’t exist, I’d say nta for locking the door, but ata for not just making some copies for everyone, they could have even made some cash doing it.
But what if OP made copies and give it to someone who wasn't a legal tenant, but an entitled MIL or something, who then uses her key as "proof" she lives there? Or an abusive ex of a tenant who has been evicted? A tenant won't have any access to documents to know who is/isn't legally entitled to a key of the building.
As far as the final story goes, the new neighbor has every right to lock the hallway door, especially if they know the risk to themselves by leaving it unlocked. They are also right for not giving up their key to one of the neighbors and making a copy of the neighbors, it would the managing companies responsibility to issue hallway keys to all residents of the property. This could also cause an insurance issue because, most building insurance policies require that the building is secure, by leaving the door unlocked, they are opening up the residents to further liability. Again, the Landlord needs to provide the residents with a key to the Hallway, if they don't its not the new neighbors problem.
Story 6: The OP didn't go far enough. That lady could have absolutely ruined his life. That is a horrible accusation to level at someone. It could have destroyed his marriage,cost him his job, and his home. He should have had the attorney sue her for slander!
She's just going to do the same thing, to another guy, wherever she winds up.
Not the AH. I live in a secured building and we aren’t allowed to make copies of our keys. There is actually a stamp on the key that says DO NOT COPY.
By right op has the right to sue Karen for harassment, defamation and trespassing.
OP, get your own door reinforced, second lock or deadbolt put in, you will feel safer, with a peep-hole, so you can see if anyone is standing out there waiting for you to exit.
Good on that person for finally telling that man he was being cheated on. Always tell somebody when they're being cheated on. I'm sure there will be people saying that you should mind your own business but those are just the cheaters😉
Edit: It's not OP's job to pay for the other tenants to get a key to the hallway. There's a reason the landlord charges a lot, so they don't just give random people one of the keys.
The last story, OP is not the A*Hole, the neighbors lost their key to the hallway door, unwilling to pay the building owner to get a replacement, but expecting OP to ignore their concerns, or to give their key so they can make a duplicate of it for the hall door. The fact the other tenants started to ignore OP just because they're unwilling to obey makes them the A*Holes. whether it's a weird tradition or whatever, they can't expect OP to follow in line, just because none of them can keep up with a stupid hall key. You can't call OP out for wanting to ensure they're safe when they're in the top 5 bad neighborhoods in the city. Also, think about the reasons why OP's apartment was empty, the last tenant possibly didn't feel safe and was being forced to keep the door unlocked. Heaven forbid OP listens, and a bad guy waits in the hallway for one of the women to get home. Safety takes priority, them not wanting to spend $70 on a new key will cause them to risk their health and safety because "it's too much to spend $70" or "We never had to worry" doesn't mean that something wouldn't happen if OP stops locking the door.
I would not tell gorilla guy she's cheating when he's angry. That could have been a homicide.
Anyone calling the last guy an AH has clearly never lived in a dangerous neighborhood. They have kids and see absolutely nothing wrong with leaving a door unlocked to a residency where they live? Like that's just a whole lack of responsibility. OP shouldn't be shamed for having common sense and survival skills. And he doesn't have to be responsible for getting them new keys, they can ask their landlords they are adults. You'd think parents would realize that if the adult man doesn't feel safe in that neighborhood that maybe they should have a little more caution. They should be like OP and build a habit of locking the door NOW before the day comes when they wish they HAD locked it.
The final story op should absolutely be willing to make copies as long as they're paying for it.
But it's not his responsibility that they lost their keys for that door. What the tenants should do is go to the landlord themselves and get a copy. yes it is $70 but they were aware and chose to be irresponsible.
@@saiyantwanplus in some places, it could go against the lease terms for OP to make copies of the key.
I agree with @Georaider , if I owned a building, I would want to make absolutely certain that I knew every key copy that had been made for it. The other tenants absolutely need to go through the landlord on this one.
Just so they can all lose their keys again, and for there to be even more keys out in the world that anyone can find and use? No. Not his problem. Not the a hole. He has a right to feel safe in his home.
In #7, since so many keys have been lost, ask the landlord to change the lock on the hall door and give out new keys to everyone. Or change it to a keypad and give out the combination to all.
Why were so many keys have been lost? Between 3 tenants, could none of them keep a key safe with them? That seems a bit sus. I have 2 keychains and ALWAYS keep them on my person where I can feel them
Are these ladies loaning the keys out to bf's or family members? That's the only explanation for the repeated losses
@@nancyomalley6286a key that isnt in constant use may not be put on a keychain and therefore can indeed be lost.
@@KhaosChilde97 I had keys on my chain that I don't use much
@@KhaosChilde97 why wouldn't they have kept their building key on the same key chain as their apartment key? So if they lost one, they lost both.
Story 3 reminds me of an incident I had with an irate customer. I’m a retail shift manager. For some strange reason a woman comes in yelling at me saying I disrespected her daughter and some other incoherent stuff. Another customer comes to my rescue wanting to push her out but she walks out before he’s able to. Customer asks if I’m ok. I told him I’m fine and the jokes on her. The last thing the lady said to me was that I must be broke working a minimum wage job. She had a cheap dye job and bad make up. I told the customer I live in this part of town, very affluent, in my own home. I got lucky in real estate 10 years ago. Most of my neighbors make more than my husband and my salary combined. My house has gone up 50% in value since I bought it. I tell the guy, I doubt she has her own home, let alone one as expensive as mine. Be careful who you insult about being poor.
Last story: nta. It's not OP's problem that the others don't want to pay to replace their keys, nor is it his responsibility for their mess ups.
Last story sounds almost more like malicious compliance more than anything. I'm sure somewhere in the lease it probably talks about keeping the hallway door locked, otherwise why give everyone a key? If they lose their key, that's kind of on them, I bet if people actually bothered to lock the door those keys wouldn't be getting lost as much. Besides that, they're probably going to have to pay for a replacement key to the landlord someday anyway since the landlord generally expects keys back if and when they move out, and it probably won't be the same design as the original or be missing a serial number or something. Like, yeah, still let them get their duplicate, or just make a duplicate 'master key' for them, but I'm also willing to bet they probably have 'do not duplicate' inscribed on them.
If I've just moved into a new place, I'm definitely not gonna help random strangers to get a key to my building. I'd have no way of knowing who isn't and isn't an actual tenant and it's not my responsibility to find out (via them proving they have a key to their apartment or whatever). I'd have been reporting it to the landlord when people started banging on the door to get entry into the building. Play innocent that your worried because people are constantly knocking on the front door and then other tenants are letting them into your building, but it's clear they have no key and you're scared.
And even if they keys themselves don't say "do not duplicated" most tenancy agreements will explicitly ban tenants from making copies of their keys, so OP could get eviced if the landlord found out they made multiple copies and give them to strangers.
Oh man, my first apartment had a courtyard with a walkway and this one dude would talk on the phone and walk all around the circle. I finally opened my window and said, "Hey, since you pay good money to have your own place, would you mind talking inside of it?"
I don’t understand why the last stories OP would be considered an AH. It was the other tenants responsibility to know where there keys were located. Why should he be responsible to get them new keys. Most are stamped with Do Not Copy. Those moms need to call the landlord & stop putting other people at risk.
*Story 6-* If someone said something bad about my hubby, I’d be mad too!!! 🤬
*I love my hubby!!!* 🥰😘❤️❤️❤️
Last Story:
NTA
Of course OP can buy copies if they're willing, but the neighbors aren't entitled to it.
It's not OP's fault the other tenants don't follow procedure and end up losing their keys.
OP should keep it up, their neighbors are the entitled ones that don't know how to follow rules or keep up with their own responsibilities.
I know I sure as hell would. I would probably even double down after the neighbors started being difficult about it.
While OP could have handled it differently, he's not actually the one in the wrong. That's why he isn't the a-hole.
And I agree, story #4 was brilliantly handled.
story 4, that's a new one. I know from another story, that recording and playing back with a half second delay is seriously annoying and will kill any music.
and I know a story where an electrician rigged his audio setup to induce loud noise into the audio cables of the offending neighbor.
but playback of gossip? that's new.
suggestions for more subtile versions of revenge. audio recording, speech to text (no problem with AI) and publish the transcripts on the neighbor-facebook group.
OP should never have let Karen in that first time. The stupidity of people expecting OP to keep doing just that... WHY did they never go to management (OP included) about this problem? Oh, sure, it would be cheaper to copy OP's key, but how many rules/laws would that have broken? OP could have been evicted, arrested, and who knows what else for violating the lease. I think more people should read their rental agreement again.
When I heard good fences make good neighbors I instantly thought of Wiilson from home improvement best neighbor in television history IMHO
Story 2 - I would’ve told those neighbors to do it themselves and don’t ever bother me again.
Story 7:
NTA.
OP shouldn't have to sacrifice his peace of mind and personal safety for some stuck up, entitled Karens who think their way is right.
And for that commentor who said he should just let his neighbors copy his key has obviously never rented before. The landlord can push charges for duplicating keys that aren't for OP to duplicate.
I beg to differ with the last story. It’s a crime ridden area, and it may even affect OP’s insurance if he’s robbed and the insurance company discovers that a main door onto the property is habitually left unlocked by the agreement of ALL the residents, OP included. And why is it OP’s responsibility to get everyone else a new key? Honestly, the rest of the residents sound like an absolute nightmare. OP is definitely NTA. He should report them all to the building manager.
On the last story I do not feel that OP is the A hole. He has every right to lock the door!
Last story- definitely the a hole. Refused to leave door unlocked and to have a key made for a neighbor so they can unlock the door themselves
So you sign a lease for an apartment in a locked building and then realise that the door doesn't lock, and then get harassed by strangers because you won't let them into the building that they have no key for, and then further harassed for not facilitating strangers to get keys to your building, and that makes them the AH? In most places it's illegal for a tenant to make copies of their keys, especially with the intention of distributing them to strangers that he has no way of knowing if they are or aren't legal tenants or not.
Story 7. Make a cheap copy of the hallway key and give it to the neighbor. It doesn't cost that much at wally world.
OP & his neighbors who lost their keys.
OP probably moved into that particular apartment bldg because of the locked outer door. Why the heck should he leave it unlocked?
As for him making copies of his key for the neighbors, I certainly wouldn't. All of them agreed to break their landlord's rules by leaving the outer door unlocked & not having their keys replaced. Interesting how none of them lost their own apt keys. If they lost their apt keys, I bet none of them would 'just leave the door unlocked'. They would be very protective of their property but they don't care about the property of their landlord who, I'm sure if his bldg was vandalized would have a fit knowing the outer door was kept unlocked by his renters. Their keys are their damn responsibility. Let them all ask the landlord to make the $70 for each copy for them.
Last story: if so many keys have gone missing, to be safe they need to change that lock and issue new keys to everyone.
Story 4. I would NOT be the fun neighbor. The second a party starts under my deck, im getting out the hose. "Get off my lawn ya drunks"
Last story. WTF DarkFluff. Totally NTA. It’s not OPs fault they were irresponsible with their keys. If I lived there I’d lock that door as well. They need to take responsibility and order new keys from the landlord.
OP is not the Ahole. It's not his fault they lost their keys. And honestly that's a major problem If they ALL lost the keys to that door. He shouldn't have to be their for them fucking up.
Concerning the fence & the tree. I would have agreed to let the neighbor do the tree with a guarantee of liability. Many different kinds of fences need mending.
Last story not allowing people to copy the key yes OP is the A HOOOOOOLEE
12:08 Best. Story. Ever. (Story 4) 😂 - just me in Palm Springs 🌴
Story 7: NTA, because it might be in the lease that you do not copy the key. If OP does copy the key, then he could get kicked out. The $70 for the landlord to do it probably includes new keys for everyone and a new lock on the outside doors. If a tenet lost their key, then who now has it? So, again NTA.
I can understand if it's $70 to be shared by everybody. But $70 each is extortionist.
I don't know how is it in the USA, but in my country every locks on the shop are sold with 3 - 5 copy of keys. And they're start at $10 for the entire set.
@@gorilladisco9108 It should be the person to first report the key lost, but no one will admit they are the cause. Those $10 locks are trash locks and lack security. The locks I buy are $40 per and offer way more security and physical resistance to brute force. The locks typically on apartment outside doors in the US are usually even more expensive, because they are way stronger and they don't use the SC1 (Schlage) or KW1 (Kwikset) keyways that are very common in the US. This increases the cost of copying keys and most locksmiths won't touch them unless a business agent is present. The likes of Walmart, Home Depot, Lowe's, Menard's, etc. won't have the blanks or equipment to copy them. Also how many outside doors would need a rekeying? It usually isn't just one. The last apartment I lived in had 5-6 doors to the outside, not counting sliding doors on patios.
@@dl200010 "The locks I buy are $40 per and offer way more security and physical resistance to brute force."
Still way cheaper than $280 for 4 tenants.
@@gorilladisco9108 You are assuming that everyone would have to pay the $70 and ignoring where I said they are probably using more expensive commercial locks. The $40 locks I get are not commercial grade. They are regular residential locks, just higher quality, strength, and pick resistance. The few lease agreements I have entered into where the building had external security doors said that if you lost the key you had to pay to get all locks replaced and all keys, and because of all that $70 is quite low. My leases had costs of $100-$300. Each building will have a different cost, depending on how many units and how many exterior doors. I doubt each tenet will have to pay the $70, only the one that first reported it lost. They are just refusing to report it to not have to pay, which is probably in violation of the lease as well.
Last story: I'm sorry, what? The neighbors lost their keys and demand the door stay unlocked because they don't wanna pay the money for new keys from the landlord. And it likely will put OP in trouble with the landlord to copy the key without the landlord's knowledge, because the landlord wouldn't know to account for those copied keys when those residents move out. Let's say that they all shared an appartment and a few of them lost their keys. Would you leave the door unlocked all the time in that case? Of fucking course not. The landlord has a lock on that hallway door for a reason. If you loose the keys to it, you're gonna have to ask the landlord for new ones. OP is just following landlord rules instead of customs that disregard the rules. Not only are all the neighbors at risk by leaving the door open, but by loosing the keys as well. The lost keys should've been reported way sooner, because it just takes one person to find them and they can enter without anyone's knowledge. I'd say that the neighbors are being the assholes here for pushing their problem onto OP instead of contacting the landlord. The fact that everyone lost their keys within the first year of living there shows that they don't really care about the responsibility of those keys. If you want to get into the locked area, you should've been more responsible with making sure that you have a key in the first place. I can guarantee you that if OP would've let them make copies, those copies would also be lost within a year.
If i was in that situation, i would've contacted the landlord and explained the situation. That the neighbors are harassing me for locking the hallway door that the landlord clearly intended to be locked, just because they don't want to buy a new set of keys at the agreed price. I'd express disappointment at the neighbors being offended by me following the rules of the appartment instead of being irresponsible with the appartment, but asking the landlord to check on the building to see if theres maybe a solution that can be made such as a passcode lock that won't require keys.
I can see why OP might be seen as a bit of a jerk, but he was absolutely not in the wrong. The first few times that the neighbors were locked out should've been enough of a sign to request new keys, so it's absolutely not OP's responsibility or fault.
If you loose the key of your appartment, you immediately call to have it replaced. But the shared hallway? You don't need keys for that, because you can just scream at your neighbor at 2 am to let you in. That sort of thinking is just gambling that the other neighbors will enable your irresponsible behavior. It's entirely on you if another neighbor decides to hold you accountable for it.
Story 7 the OP isn’t the asshole as the other tenants should have told the landlord about losing the key plus how could they all lost the key as far as I knew you have your keys on you when you leave so they would of had to lose all of there keys