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You mentioned some major story elements that the MCU has only glossed over which is part of the reason why this Illuminati is pointless. The Civil War story line was all about "registering" any person with super powers so the government could monitor them. The MCU version basically turned that into the Sekovia Accords to just control the Avengers. And, ironically the Sokovia accords were names after Sokovia which was almost destroyed during Age of Ultron, when Wanda became an Avenger. Either way, after that movie, the whole concept of government oversight of superheroes went out the window along with any backlash from collateral damage caused by superheroes. They didn't even work with the government during infinity war and endgame which caused massive amounts of collateral damage. This stuff was a major plot point in the comics and they only briefly touched on it again in No Way Home, but only in reference to Spiderman. So, now in Wanda Vision and the Dark Hold (aka Multiverse of Madness), she is an Avenger who goes on a rampage and nobody notices. How is that? Everything that happened in Wanda Vision should have immediately put everyone on high alert and Wanda should be somewhere in a secure facility. The illuminati from some other universe shouldn't even be involved in this as it is purely about how this earth keeps track and monitors superheroes, as Wanda is an Avenger on this earth. Agents of Shield did a much better job of dealing with that in reference to the Inhumans but that story is not canon to the MCU. And the MCU is just ignoring that major theme of how humans suffer from these superhero conflicts.
Question: if your theory is true, who do you think would be the father of Wanda's kids in that Universe? love the vid btw, but valid question :) make a video about that, please!! :)
That’s what I’ve been saying. A lot of people have been complaining that “Reed Richards is the smartest man alive yet he got killed that easily?” but I think some have failed to realize that they died that easily because of their arrogance. It’s a mirror of Stephen’s story arc in, not just this film, but his whole existence in the MCU.
I would be shocked if we don’t see these characters again. Maybe different versions but this was merely a hint of what is to come down the road. It was a really cool scene and it shows us how limitless the possibilities for the MCU truly are going forward. Thank you for another great breakdown Paul 👍
The writer said that he killed them to show how deadly Wanda is and he got the inspiration from Alien where no matter how badass the space marines, the Alien owned them easily.
Yeah, trouble is that Aliens was a MUCH better written movie. The problem with super heroes is when you make them that powerful then there is really no drama. She can 'pop' peoples brains out, then why exactly does she need to drop a statue on captain marvel or have to throw a shield? Thats very obviously 'for effect', and putting htings in movies 'for effect' tends to make for lousy drama.
@@Robby_Rob imo it’s not silly when Wanda, a character that can warp reality, is that powerful, it makes sense. The movie did what it was trying to convey.
I think the term for this trope is "Worfing" where you show how dangerous a new threat is by having it casually demolish your big gun(s) This happened to Worf all the time on ST TNG. The Illuminati scene could have played out several different ways but ultimately it was really just a story telling tool meant to show how powerful and how far gone Wanda had become. She was powerful enough to neutralize the Illuminati with a hand wave yet she chose sadistically ironic methods to murder them. Black Bolts Mouth, Captain Carter's shield, Reeds Pastanization, Captain Marvel who can take an Infinity Stone to the face gets squashed by a statue.
Being dumb and underestimating someone are two different things. Not to mention Reed was trying to go the peaceful route. If they wanted to chooses violence outright, they wouldn't have even tried to negotiate with her. Intelligence and common sense are very different.
I agree, there's a difference between being dumb and underestimating, and I think we're meant to think they simply just underestimated Wanda. However, she used her mind to shut Black Bolts mouth, killing him, and Reed's reaction was to just reach out for her. I'm not sure what we're supposed to to think he was going to do, but that didn't seem like a smart move to make.
There are different types of intelligence. Reed is a science genius but a moron when it comes to war and diplomacy. You never reveal your secret weapon to your enemy. He also reacted stupidly after Wanda killed Black Bolt. He should have teleported everyone out so they could regroup and strategize
Because they are variants from the multiverse so they are quite expendable , i bet if this is the MCU version of Illuminati, it would turn into Civil War airport fight unless those actors are all on the last film of their contract😂😂😂😂
yeah but it was inconsistent. she removes black bolts mouth and turns reed richards into twizzlers. Then she struggles with Captain Carter cause she’s shooting energy blasts all of a sudden. Then struggles with Captain Marvel, which sorta kinda makes sense
People always underestimate Wanda. In age of Ultron, if not for Hawkeye, every Avenger would be hexed. In this movie, the Illuminati feared Strange more than the Scarlet Witch. And they beat Thanos in Titan
I liked this version of the Illuminati. I think criticisms of their actions stem from expecting too much of them. Sure they're smart and powerful and all, but they've never dealt with a force as powerful as the Scarlet Witch before. They had no way of knowing what they were up against. And personally, I'm really glad the whole Tom-Cruise-as-alternate-Tony-Stark thing never happened. I only wish that Patrick Stewart's appearance hadn't been given away in the trailer. Krasinski got a pretty big reaction in the theatre when I saw it, and Stewart's arrival really should have gotten an even bigger one, but instead, it was met with silence.
I've been thinking - if the Illuminati had had Steve instead of Peggy, things *might* have gone slightly differently since Wanda's version had always been kind to her.
I liked it a lot. They're all characters we know the power levels of already, or were quickly show in the movie. Taking down Thanos would up my hubris a lot too. Plus the teams represented are fun, and reflect some of the MCU future. Although with Kamala coming out, I can see her slot into Cosmic and not Inhumans at all, and keep that to ~ the Royal Family; in line with Eternals. I also saw somewhere (not sure if here or where) that Mordo will just bring them back with the time stone, so we could see these variants again. Avengers - Captain Britain Comsic - Captain Marvel Sorcerers - KARL Mordo X-Men - Xavier Fantastic4 - Reed Inhumans - Black Bolt
I was annoyed that they were cheesed so rapidly, but I agree about their sacrifice adding to Wanda's danger. Different Universe = no real stakes for the 616. That's a bummer, but I think my pal Paul is correct, we'll likely see Jim/Reed getting to BE Mr. F in the F4 movie. Great job again, Spoiler-Man!
It was kinda shocking to see them die off so quick but at the same time I get it. People tend to doubt Wanda and how powerful she is but I think after this movie and specifically the scenes she takes the Illuminati out I don’t think anyone sill doubt her power again.
Professor X did die extremely easily especially considering he's at an older stage where his power has had time to grow past the levels of even x men apocalypse, would of appreciated atleast a small struggle considering they gave that to captain carter whos power is a bit of tren
Can we just talk about when Wanda838 gets control of her body again, she doesn’t question her surroundings or the events that unfolded, the first thing she thinks of are her children. That’s a GOOD mother.
I'll take my percentage now. It was incredible seeing the Illuminati get shredded, that is the price of their hubris. Plus because Wanda has been reading the darkhold she unlocked her full power that they didn't even know she had. Amazing scene. I'll send you my Venmo for my cut... 😂
The DIY echo was hilarious. Agreed on Reed not knowing of 616 Wanda having Reality Stone powers & she just had their Wanda’s hex powers. Though I am sure we can all see the moment he knew he fcked up in his face before Wanda rings him out like a stretchy wet towel.
I loved the line up, it worked perfectly to bring in past heroes, some “what if” changes heroes, and some of the new heroes to be in one team. Yes, Wanda was able to go through them very quickly, but the Illuminati severely underestimated her and overestimated themselves. After all, they had just beat Thanos. Who is this child to them? Except she was being controlled by a different version of herself that nearly took out Thanos single-handedly, got extra juice from first the mind stone and then from Agatha, and has now lost her mind to the Book of the Damned. Their hubris is their greatest downfall. Which sounds pretty comic accurate to me.
You think the F4 got snapped before getting their powers on 616? Maybe that's why they get it later compared to the 838 Fantastic 4. They had to delay the events that lead to their powers.
Stark gave up post Snap. In a universe where that doesn't happen, a lot of advancements can occur in 5 years when the smartest man on the planet has motivation; whether its Stark or Richards.
I think it was done for two reasons. To introduce the characters, but not the 616 versions and to show how powerful Wanda is. Though I think they were beaten more by their arrogance rather than how powerful, since other heroes working together may have been able to stop Wanda.
Exactly. They defeated Thanos. Why in the hell would they be afraid of Wanda? Reed warned her to stop because none of them had any qualms with her, and he was trying to lend her an olive branch. Nothing she had done couldn't be undone. He wasn't being dumb, he was showing mercy. The same way Wanda Prime promised to show Strange if he just gave her what she wanted.
Personally loved the Illuminati, but I guess it wasn't everyone's cup of tea, loving your recent videos though! I've gotta get around to making a video on this movie myself some time though, anyways thanks for the great content regardless!
The defense of Reed's mistake doesn't make sense to me. Strange had already explained that his Wanda was coming and she's a major threat. Reed and the others knew dream possession was possible, so there was no reason to underestimate Wanda.
Because the "enemy" was possessing an innocent, of whom they actually knew. The last thing they wanted to do, was resort to violence. He warned her that Black bolt could end her life in an instant, in a bid to prevent her from attacking them at all.
I understand creating hype for this movie but why show the Illuminati in the trailers at all?? Why show captain Carter? Why show Prof X? You know how crazy it would be in the theater if we didn’t know this before hand?? The hype would have already been there in the first place with this movie.
I just thought the lineup could’ve been better. Prof X and Reeds make sense due to introducing other “universes” (Fox). I was hoping for a Namor introduction honestly.
A couple of things: The Illuminati did send Hulk to a peaceful planet. He threw a tantrum and knocked the ship off course. Why doesnt Carter look older than Professor X? Was she frozen in ice as well?
I was hoping they would have teased Wanda marrying Simon Williams in the 838 universe. It will be interesting if they do the malice storyline with Susan Storm as she’s the most powerful out of the Fantastic Four.
I think it was done pretty right as you say, show how powerful Wanda is, show how arrogant the illuminati are, and just introduce the characters. They will be back, in their 616 earth versions.
I agree that it was elevating her threat level by eliminating the Illuminati so easily, I just wish we got to see Reid Richards fight for as long as Captain Britain got to fight. We've seen the shield before for years.
Chances for your little mega comics . . . well, moving on . . . as for your review: noodles for Reed Richards was a sad way to go - no spaghetti sauce is disappointing. We needed the God of Hammers in this one, where were they all. It seems Steven Strange is not a very bright light for choosing Wanda maxi girl - there' a joke there. WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT??? ONLY THE FEIGE KNOWS FOR SURE.
Why couldn't Wanda just kill everyone like she killed Mr Fantastic? I loved the Illuminati scene, but I also thought they came across SO much weaker than I thought. Yes, I know Wanda is hella powerful, but damn 😂 Especially professor X. Thought the homie could do more. To counter myself though... Wanda was just about to destroy Thanos ALL BY HERSELF in End Game, and it took all of them, PLUS Strange (using forbidden magic) to kill Thanos in their world. Sigh, it does make sense, but damn.
I think your theory is right apart from they knew it was a different Wanda. they just didn't know she was the scarlett witch or just how powerful she is since they would assume that Wanda would be around AOU power levels
it was great to see them in here, and I always like seeing the possible destruction of these heroes in other dimensions to show that they aren't invincible and can be beaten, raising the stakes
Would love to see a cool story where the heroes from the Illuminati universe come to the MCU to hunt Wanda. The Xmen, Fantastic 3, Shield and Inhumans come for revenge
Was surprised to see an inhuman and professor X as part of the Illuminati. But did enjoy the line up they had. The death scenes in this were great and some kinda brutal others funny. I loved Bruce Campbell's cameo the most not going to lie that made my day. My two nephews were actually giving out over which was more gorey , Thor Ragnarok? Or this. I said doctor strange hands down. Zombie strange I mean come on. That was brilliant.
I don’t know, we the viewers knew of the threat Wanda poses but for them to jus be cannon fobber totally soured the experience. I checked out about the time 838 Wanda was shambling towards America and Strange. “Where is she”….. “peek-a-boo I’m right here”. Was a good attempt at a second season of Wandavision but I really wanted more Strange.
Not @Heavy Spoilers litterally just reading the theory for why Reed didn't expect Wanda to take them down from someone else's tweet on Twitter, without giving credit...
Whoever made the movie is a witch, high ranking wizard in spiritual realm. Movie felt like a never ending psychedelic trip. Doctor strange did remind me of Nikola Tesla in facial appearance and reference of being a "master of some dark arts".
Also since Wandavision didn’t happen in 838 that means that Monica never became Spectrum or Photon whichever name she’s gonna take in 616, I wonder if this Wanda’s kids have their powers or not
"when blackbolt speaks, it causes terrifying sound ripples that destroys anything in front of them" Yeah, except his own skin. How tf did they kill off blackbolt like that??
Its honestly not how they went out but when they did i wanted to learn more about them get more knowledge of that earth and know them for a bit longer than 10 minutes
i think whats disappointing is that if only they have a bigger role like they arrive to arrest strange and chaves like moments after they arrive on their earth
What a lot of people are missing is that if Tony doesn’t exist on Earth 838 than Wanda’s parents would’ve never been killed with a stark weapon when she was a child.
Reed talking about black bolt power to scarlet witch is understandable. because he never know about scarlet witch (not wanda) and the capability. Beside....they beat Thanos!! without any sort of related gauntlet. so yeah....when you have that on your belt, I would be confident enough...hell yeah...hence downfall the arogance. Bruce campbell showing is a waste...too bad, could've been better. But hey that's how My experience tho....I like it, hopefully you enjoy it too.
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You mentioned some major story elements that the MCU has only glossed over which is part of the reason why this Illuminati is pointless. The Civil War story line was all about "registering" any person with super powers so the government could monitor them. The MCU version basically turned that into the Sekovia Accords to just control the Avengers. And, ironically the Sokovia accords were names after Sokovia which was almost destroyed during Age of Ultron, when Wanda became an Avenger. Either way, after that movie, the whole concept of government oversight of superheroes went out the window along with any backlash from collateral damage caused by superheroes. They didn't even work with the government during infinity war and endgame which caused massive amounts of collateral damage. This stuff was a major plot point in the comics and they only briefly touched on it again in No Way Home, but only in reference to Spiderman.
So, now in Wanda Vision and the Dark Hold (aka Multiverse of Madness), she is an Avenger who goes on a rampage and nobody notices. How is that? Everything that happened in Wanda Vision should have immediately put everyone on high alert and Wanda should be somewhere in a secure facility. The illuminati from some other universe shouldn't even be involved in this as it is purely about how this earth keeps track and monitors superheroes, as Wanda is an Avenger on this earth. Agents of Shield did a much better job of dealing with that in reference to the Inhumans but that story is not canon to the MCU. And the MCU is just ignoring that major theme of how humans suffer from these superhero conflicts.
Question: if your theory is true, who do you think would be the father of Wanda's kids in that Universe? love the vid btw, but valid question :) make a video about that, please!! :)
If Ryan Aerys Mom didn't hold off morrdo maybe the illuminati would have not died
Why did this get pushed to me before I even went to see the movie. The thumbnail alone ruined X's surprise. Blocked.
Not gonna lie: The arrogance being the downfall of the Illuminati is lowkey a major point in the way they’re written
Ngl, didn’t even think of that before, changes my perspective now. Good job mate!
That’s what I’ve been saying. A lot of people have been complaining that “Reed Richards is the smartest man alive yet he got killed that easily?” but I think some have failed to realize that they died that easily because of their arrogance. It’s a mirror of Stephen’s story arc in, not just this film, but his whole existence in the MCU.
Why is it lowkey?
Still doesn’t justify the smartest man in the world seeing someone warp reality and try to grab them
@@econno8172 because Reed is fairly durable so he could of wrapped around her whilst captain marvel knocked her out. Who knows 🤷♂️
I would be shocked if we don’t see these characters again. Maybe different versions but this was merely a hint of what is to come down the road. It was a really cool scene and it shows us how limitless the possibilities for the MCU truly are going forward. Thank you for another great breakdown Paul 👍
maybe we can call MCM instead of MCU 😛
The writer said that he killed them to show how deadly Wanda is and he got the inspiration from Alien where no matter how badass the space marines, the Alien owned them easily.
Yeah, people seem to forget that Wanda was bout to kill Thanos without the help of the stones and on her own.
Yeah, trouble is that Aliens was a MUCH better written movie. The problem with super heroes is when you make them that powerful then there is really no drama. She can 'pop' peoples brains out, then why exactly does she need to drop a statue on captain marvel or have to throw a shield? Thats very obviously 'for effect', and putting htings in movies 'for effect' tends to make for lousy drama.
@@mikearchibald744 the noise of his voice done it to him he literally goes what then pop
@@mikearchibald744 i absolutely agree on the head popping thing, once you introduce that type of ability everything else is just silly
@@Robby_Rob imo it’s not silly when Wanda, a character that can warp reality, is that powerful, it makes sense. The movie did what it was trying to convey.
I’d say the Illuminati scene is easily in the top 2-3 scenes.
It superbly did its job, as you stated, playing up Wanda’s threat level.
Lol, that scene ain't top 3 nothing
Best line, "what mouth?"
@@Cyrus-rodn45, in this movie, by far.
@@chadcognac5626 nope
@@Cyrus-rodn45 easily.
I think the term for this trope is "Worfing" where you show how dangerous a new threat is by having it casually demolish your big gun(s) This happened to Worf all the time on ST TNG. The Illuminati scene could have played out several different ways but ultimately it was really just a story telling tool meant to show how powerful and how far gone Wanda had become. She was powerful enough to neutralize the Illuminati with a hand wave yet she chose sadistically ironic methods to murder them. Black Bolts Mouth, Captain Carter's shield, Reeds Pastanization, Captain Marvel who can take an Infinity Stone to the face gets squashed by a statue.
Ey that’s it!
Being dumb and underestimating someone are two different things. Not to mention Reed was trying to go the peaceful route. If they wanted to chooses violence outright, they wouldn't have even tried to negotiate with her. Intelligence and common sense are very different.
I agree, there's a difference between being dumb and underestimating, and I think we're meant to think they simply just underestimated Wanda. However, she used her mind to shut Black Bolts mouth, killing him, and Reed's reaction was to just reach out for her. I'm not sure what we're supposed to to think he was going to do, but that didn't seem like a smart move to make.
I just have an issue with them having been able to beat Thanos in their world but get trashed by Wanda so easily
I can't help but see Wokeness in that
There are different types of intelligence. Reed is a science genius but a moron when it comes to war and diplomacy. You never reveal your secret weapon to your enemy. He also reacted stupidly after Wanda killed Black Bolt. He should have teleported everyone out so they could regroup and strategize
@@blaxican619 yeah the reaching out part is what baffles me more. but i guess it's meant to be a last-ditch, no time for anything else move.
The smartest man on earth did not do basic research.
I love how easily Wanda killed them off. About time the MCU showed how easy it really is to kill off the superheroes.
Because they are variants from the multiverse so they are quite expendable , i bet if this is the MCU version of Illuminati, it would turn into Civil War airport fight unless those actors are all on the last film of their contract😂😂😂😂
It's only easy if you're the fucking Scarlet Witch lmao
yeah but it was inconsistent. she removes black bolts mouth and turns reed richards into twizzlers. Then she struggles with Captain Carter cause she’s shooting energy blasts all of a sudden. Then struggles with Captain Marvel, which sorta kinda makes sense
@@TheKendeHD Cap carter even shield charge point blank at Wanda and she blocks it but she cant block a punch from a 14 year old kid from a distance
People always underestimate Wanda. In age of Ultron, if not for Hawkeye, every Avenger would be hexed. In this movie, the Illuminati feared Strange more than the Scarlet Witch. And they beat Thanos in Titan
I liked this version of the Illuminati. I think criticisms of their actions stem from expecting too much of them. Sure they're smart and powerful and all, but they've never dealt with a force as powerful as the Scarlet Witch before. They had no way of knowing what they were up against. And personally, I'm really glad the whole Tom-Cruise-as-alternate-Tony-Stark thing never happened. I only wish that Patrick Stewart's appearance hadn't been given away in the trailer. Krasinski got a pretty big reaction in the theatre when I saw it, and Stewart's arrival really should have gotten an even bigger one, but instead, it was met with silence.
Probably cause he was in a goofy ass wheelchair. Buddy was looking wack
Except that they did have a way of knowing.
They were told point blank by Strange, they were just too arrogant to listen.
Stewart has been on a downward spiral after agreeing to act in the sham of a show Star Trek Picard
In the theatre I went to, Stewart got the loudest reaction.
@@TheMtoczylo who cares
I've been thinking - if the Illuminati had had Steve instead of Peggy, things *might* have gone slightly differently since Wanda's version had always been kind to her.
Reed went from 'Smartest man alive' to 'Prettiest spaghetti in the multiverse' in 5 seconds
I loved the way they killed them off it was a perfect way to show just how powerful Wanda is without killing off a bunch of 616 hero’s
While dreamwalking
"X-Force!" Lolol..
Just goes to show how vastly superior 616 is compared to their universe. 😆
I liked it a lot. They're all characters we know the power levels of already, or were quickly show in the movie. Taking down Thanos would up my hubris a lot too. Plus the teams represented are fun, and reflect some of the MCU future. Although with Kamala coming out, I can see her slot into Cosmic and not Inhumans at all, and keep that to ~ the Royal Family; in line with Eternals.
I also saw somewhere (not sure if here or where) that Mordo will just bring them back with the time stone, so we could see these variants again.
Avengers - Captain Britain
Comsic - Captain Marvel
Sorcerers - KARL Mordo
X-Men - Xavier
Fantastic4 - Reed
Inhumans - Black Bolt
Captain Carter lol
I didn’t notice they were all representing their own teams. That’s a really cool detail
I was annoyed that they were cheesed so rapidly, but I agree about their sacrifice adding to Wanda's danger. Different Universe = no real stakes for the 616. That's a bummer, but I think my pal Paul is correct, we'll likely see Jim/Reed getting to BE Mr. F in the F4 movie. Great job again, Spoiler-Man!
It was kinda shocking to see them die off so quick but at the same time I get it. People tend to doubt Wanda and how powerful she is but I think after this movie and specifically the scenes she takes the Illuminati out I don’t think anyone sill doubt her power again.
Captain Marvel - We can handle Strange's little witch.
Five Minutes later
Captain Marvel under the rubble💀⚰️🥀
Professor X did die extremely easily especially considering he's at an older stage where his power has had time to grow past the levels of even x men apocalypse, would of appreciated atleast a small struggle considering they gave that to captain carter whos power is a bit of tren
Can we just talk about when Wanda838 gets control of her body again, she doesn’t question her surroundings or the events that unfolded, the first thing she thinks of are her children. That’s a GOOD mother.
I wonder if 838 Wanda retains the power absorbed from 838 Monica?
I also love how as soon as she saw Wanda she was ready to fight and protect her kids
I'll take my percentage now. It was incredible seeing the Illuminati get shredded, that is the price of their hubris. Plus because Wanda has been reading the darkhold she unlocked her full power that they didn't even know she had. Amazing scene.
I'll send you my Venmo for my cut... 😂
They were there to show how powerful Wanda is. It's a cool scene. Hope we get John Krasinski as Mr Fantastic in the MCU, He did great.
The DIY echo was hilarious. Agreed on Reed not knowing of 616 Wanda having Reality Stone powers & she just had their Wanda’s hex powers. Though I am sure we can all see the moment he knew he fcked up in his face before Wanda rings him out like a stretchy wet towel.
Fantastic 🙌🏼 your breakdowns are consistently equal parts knowledge + humor 👍🏼 Thank you, keep them coming 🍻
Can’t believe John’s Mr. Fantastic wasn’t leaked for me! Crazy but grateful
I hated how Xavier looked like he’s trapped in a baby’s high chair? 😂
I loved the line up, it worked perfectly to bring in past heroes, some “what if” changes heroes, and some of the new heroes to be in one team. Yes, Wanda was able to go through them very quickly, but the Illuminati severely underestimated her and overestimated themselves. After all, they had just beat Thanos. Who is this child to them? Except she was being controlled by a different version of herself that nearly took out Thanos single-handedly, got extra juice from first the mind stone and then from Agatha, and has now lost her mind to the Book of the Damned. Their hubris is their greatest downfall. Which sounds pretty comic accurate to me.
"Thank you Ultron Bots."
-Reed Richards
This single line solve the Tony Stark/Ultron/Vision problem
You think the F4 got snapped before getting their powers on 616? Maybe that's why they get it later compared to the 838 Fantastic 4. They had to delay the events that lead to their powers.
Stark gave up post Snap. In a universe where that doesn't happen, a lot of advancements can occur in 5 years when the smartest man on the planet has motivation; whether its Stark or Richards.
Reed was disrespecting Wanda as a weak witch 😂😂😂 Funny to to his end
I loved the Illuminati scene entirely and totally agree with your breakdown of it. Always love the breakdowns. Thank you for the hard work.
I think it was done for two reasons. To introduce the characters, but not the 616 versions and to show how powerful Wanda is. Though I think they were beaten more by their arrogance rather than how powerful, since other heroes working together may have been able to stop Wanda.
Exactly. They defeated Thanos. Why in the hell would they be afraid of Wanda? Reed warned her to stop because none of them had any qualms with her, and he was trying to lend her an olive branch. Nothing she had done couldn't be undone. He wasn't being dumb, he was showing mercy. The same way Wanda Prime promised to show Strange if he just gave her what she wanted.
I've watched Inhumans and still alive. I was like, hey that's Black Bolt, haven't you watched Inhumans?
Should’ve got more of professor X fighting Wanda tbh
Personally loved the Illuminati, but I guess it wasn't everyone's cup of tea, loving your recent videos though! I've gotta get around to making a video on this movie myself some time though, anyways thanks for the great content regardless!
The defense of Reed's mistake doesn't make sense to me. Strange had already explained that his Wanda was coming and she's a major threat. Reed and the others knew dream possession was possible, so there was no reason to underestimate Wanda.
Suicide Squad 😂😂 This man knows how breakdown movies and our humor. Keep it up man 👍
Let’s talk about why the smartest man in the universe immediately told Wanda how to stop Blackbolt 😭
Because the "enemy" was possessing an innocent, of whom they actually knew. The last thing they wanted to do, was resort to violence. He warned her that Black bolt could end her life in an instant, in a bid to prevent her from attacking them at all.
That backfired, obviously.
I understand creating hype for this movie but why show the Illuminati in the trailers at all?? Why show captain Carter? Why show Prof X? You know how crazy it would be in the theater if we didn’t know this before hand?? The hype would have already been there in the first place with this movie.
I don’t understand people’s criticisms of Reed. Being smart doesn’t mean not being arrogant.
Being smart and arrogant is often a package deal!
Your theory time actually makes a lot of sense
Totally agree, wasted potential. Love the breakdowns Paul! Cheers 🍻
but they arent mainline MCU, doesnt matter, 616 versions will show up at some point.
They arent 616 versions or the main versions of them
I just thought the lineup could’ve been better. Prof X and Reeds make sense due to introducing other “universes” (Fox). I was hoping for a Namor introduction honestly.
A couple of things:
The Illuminati did send Hulk to a peaceful planet. He threw a tantrum and knocked the ship off course.
Why doesnt Carter look older than Professor X? Was she frozen in ice as well?
I was hoping they would have teased Wanda marrying Simon Williams in the 838 universe. It will be interesting if they do the malice storyline with Susan Storm as she’s the most powerful out of the Fantastic Four.
“Makes a mind blowing appearance”. I cackled at that one, good job mate.
Am here for the movie breakdowns I stay for the puns ❤️
Love these videos. Always something interesting to think about
Luv that one rant at 9:30
I think it was done pretty right as you say, show how powerful Wanda is, show how arrogant the illuminati are, and just introduce the characters.
They will be back, in their 616 earth versions.
I agree that it was elevating her threat level by eliminating the Illuminati so easily, I just wish we got to see Reid Richards fight for as long as Captain Britain got to fight. We've seen the shield before for years.
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Illuminati were absolutely destroyed 😂😂🤣 in a funny a graphical and gory way
Chances for your little mega comics . . . well, moving on . . . as for your review: noodles for Reed Richards was a sad way to go - no spaghetti sauce is disappointing. We needed the God of Hammers in this one, where were they all. It seems Steven Strange is not a very bright light for choosing Wanda maxi girl - there' a joke there. WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT??? ONLY THE FEIGE KNOWS FOR SURE.
Why couldn't Wanda just kill everyone like she killed Mr Fantastic?
I loved the Illuminati scene, but I also thought they came across SO much weaker than I thought. Yes, I know Wanda is hella powerful, but damn 😂 Especially professor X. Thought the homie could do more.
To counter myself though... Wanda was just about to destroy Thanos ALL BY HERSELF in End Game, and it took all of them, PLUS Strange (using forbidden magic) to kill Thanos in their world. Sigh, it does make sense, but damn.
Sometimes the predator likes to play with their prey.
Theory Time, Theory time, theory time...😆😆😆 makes me laugh every time...
"What mouth?" I'm crying!!😂😂
Love the terminator comparison!
I think your theory is right apart from they knew it was a different Wanda. they just didn't know she was the scarlett witch or just how powerful she is since they would assume that Wanda would be around AOU power levels
Not only do I want to win that movie, but your picking those winners the day before my birthday! So I GOTTA win lol.
it was great to see them in here, and I always like seeing the possible destruction of these heroes in other dimensions to show that they aren't invincible and can be beaten, raising the stakes
I got that Suicide squad reference, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING LMAOFL THAT SCENE IS EXACTLY HOW IT WENT DOWN 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My theory is that Strange and Clean won’t be able to stop the incursion but instead maintain it and learn on how to merge them in one universe
That's a good theory.
Reed Richards displayed the difference between "Book smarts vs Street smarts"😂
Would love to see a cool story where the heroes from the Illuminati universe come to the MCU to hunt Wanda. The Xmen, Fantastic 3, Shield and Inhumans come for revenge
Dude, Patrick Stewart is like a million years old. You shouldn't be expecting him back.
I love your channel so much!
thank you
You are very welcome! ☺️
Was surprised to see an inhuman and professor X as part of the Illuminati. But did enjoy the line up they had. The death scenes in this were great and some kinda brutal others funny. I loved Bruce Campbell's cameo the most not going to lie that made my day. My two nephews were actually giving out over which was more gorey , Thor Ragnarok? Or this. I said doctor strange hands down. Zombie strange I mean come on. That was brilliant.
I don’t know, we the viewers knew of the threat Wanda poses but for them to jus be cannon fobber totally soured the experience. I checked out about the time 838 Wanda was shambling towards America and Strange. “Where is she”….. “peek-a-boo I’m right here”. Was a good attempt at a second season of Wandavision but I really wanted more Strange.
Yeah TOTALLY AGREE
(finally, the check for my comment also get from Kevin Feigi)
So there were 6 members and now there is one
Mordo: Too many members
Thanks!
Your puns are one of the best parts!
I was expecting your variant in the movie and i am disappointed 😭
After watching this yesterday at the 02 I can say that Namor was definitely correct in calling in sick. 😆
Not @Heavy Spoilers litterally just reading the theory for why Reed didn't expect Wanda to take them down from someone else's tweet on Twitter, without giving credit...
Whoever made the movie is a witch, high ranking wizard in spiritual realm.
Movie felt like a never ending psychedelic trip.
Doctor strange did remind me of Nikola Tesla in facial appearance and reference of being a "master of some dark arts".
Also since Wandavision didn’t happen in 838 that means that Monica never became Spectrum or Photon whichever name she’s gonna take in 616, I wonder if this Wanda’s kids have their powers or not
"Black Bolt makes a mind blowing appearance" Yeah, you've gained a sub 🤣🤣
"when blackbolt speaks, it causes terrifying sound ripples that destroys anything in front of them"
Yeah, except his own skin. How tf did they kill off blackbolt like that??
I’ve seen school yard fights last longer than the Illuminati vs The Scarlet Karen 😏
Steven said to reed “ didn’t you guys chart in the 60s?” I’m gonna assume they are maybe in the quantum realm at least it wouldn’t be the worst idea
I need John Krasinski to come back as Mr. Fantastic so bad. He’s so perfect imho. People hate him but I love him
I love doctor strange 2 nobody can change my mind it was beautifully shot and the way how the Illuminati get killed was great
I think Charles is still stuck in Wanda's mind and has stopped her from dying at the last moment in the climax
Its honestly not how they went out but when they did i wanted to learn more about them get more knowledge of that earth and know them for a bit longer than 10 minutes
i think whats disappointing is that if only they have a bigger role like they arrive to arrest strange and chaves like moments after they arrive on their earth
“More like Suicide Squad” LMFAOOOO
It's crazy how they just watched Reed get turned into string. Captain Marvel and Britain could've at least hit her then instead of just standing there
Amazing video Spoiler Man 👍
Ironically, Wanda killing the illuminati was my favorite scene in the movie.
What a lot of people are missing is that if Tony doesn’t exist on Earth 838 than Wanda’s parents would’ve never been killed with a stark weapon when she was a child.
Are you gonna do a westworld trailer breakdown? Or maybe a recap since they waited until mankind was actually robots to drop another season
I would love to see in what if season two, have the what if characters fight alongside or against some of the main timeline counterparts
Reed talking about black bolt power to scarlet witch is understandable. because he never know about scarlet witch (not wanda) and the capability. Beside....they beat Thanos!! without any sort of related gauntlet. so yeah....when you have that on your belt, I would be confident enough...hell yeah...hence downfall the arogance.
Bruce campbell showing is a waste...too bad, could've been better.
But hey that's how My experience tho....I like it, hopefully you enjoy it too.
Franklin Richards can destroy Wanda
Illuminati has so much potential in future marvel movies. Hopefully earth 616 gets it’s time to flesh out some stories with namor even
Idk if anyones wrote this yet but I just realized that captain carter dies the same way as zombie cap does 🤔
bigger twist.... instead of Kang being the big bad, they go into the WWH plot line fast. woot woot
I wonder how shocked the 838 universe be when their 'Avengers' level superheroes who beat Thanos just somehow randomly wiped out of existence lol
When I saw Dr Strange 2 in the cinema I was superised no one screamed when Professor X or even Reed Richard appeared. I was the only one the screamed.
This movie is lack of Dr Strange and too much Wanda. Pacing and plot also poor.