I had one die like this and you will need a good brass so you get consistent neck tension, I switch to a Forster hone die and then use a mandrel to create the neck tension, way more consistent than the bump die.
If you dented the neck after firing (dropping the case) is there an expander ball one can add to the die to fix it or would you have to use a conventional sizing die first?
Chuck up that die in the lathe and remove about .007-.010" or so from the base of the die. Don't worry about (pointless) cam over. Then you'll have free reign to bump the shoulder back as much as needed.
You should have shown the inner and outer diameter of the neck so we could judge spring back after sizing. I know this video was about shoulder bump, but you made a big deal on selecting the proper bushing, but did not show the results.
Gavin, Going from a FL Redding die to the Forster Neck Bump Bushing Die, with all else being equal, I increase my velocity by about 40 ft/s in my 65CM! Knocked me right off my node 0. So, reduced my charge of H4350 from 42 grains to 41.5 grains and I am once again touching holes...and then I ran out of powder! I think 41.4 is going to be drilling the same hole but i need to wait for Hodgdon to resupply!! Love the Forster die! Bumping about 0.002". Hornady brass varies but the .288 bushing is used the most. Picked one up for the 28N too.
I have the Forster die set for 6PPC. The dies have Sako stamped on them ,but I am running a custom chamber. I bump size but dont want to use the Sako dies. Does Redding bushing neck dies bump the shoulder also.? By the way, I think your videos are great!
@@robertbrandywine Yes, that was with the Forster die, my question was foe a Redding die. Upon further research I found that Redding neck dies do Not bump the shoulder, their body dies does that
Have you tried the Whidden bump neck FL sizing die? I understand it would affect the dimensions in a fireformed case. I bought the Forster bump neck bushing die for 6.5 Creedmoor along with the igage 1” micrometer and their ball micrometer. Also the Hornady comparator and OAL tool with the proper bushing for 6.5 Creedmoor because of this video. I have a Whidden micrometer seater die on it’s way to me.
Nice video, I noticed your using the 400 bushing to measure shoulder but hornady recommended the 375 bushing. I've tried only neck sizing but bolt is very tight to close, would this be a good purchase.
I am just starting out. My first really nice rifle is cambered in 6.5 creedmore and id like to reload this round. I bought a forester micrometer in 6.5 and now im wondering if i need to bump the shoulders…..
not having all the toys, why not just seat a bullet in whatever brass you have, measure the the o.d. at the neck and subtract .002 and that should be your bushing size. any reason this won't work?
Another option to think about and remember, calibers are not the most accurate, so get some micrometers to do some of your measurements. th-cam.com/video/yzrnnKPv6Ho/w-d-xo.html
To make sure I understand it does not size the body it only sizes the neck for bullet tension and bumps the shoulder back for head space is that correct
@@hewlett260 not sure you're correct there...if it's a full length resizing die which I think it is, then it is sizing the body as well as the neck and shoulder
@@claverton dude get on Forster's website, they make a die( the one being reviewed) that bumps the shoulder and sets neck tension via bushings without touch the rest of the body. They also make full length sizing dies that do the whole body. They also make neck only dies. The one being reviewed is the bushing bump die.
So does the brass need to be once fired before you take that measurement of the thickness of the case or can you also do this with virgin brass as well?
I'm not sure there would be any point since the necks are already sized down and the shoulder set fully back. I only size new brass to true the case mouths.
The Forster neck sizing die can be adjusted to only size as much of the neck as desired. The bushing height is adjusted separately from the die/shoulder bumping height. Very useful feature.
I don't get why you would include the neck expander or the decapping rod in the die during this process ... Surely you would've already decapped the brass prior to cleaning and this process? Also, why would you have a neck expander when you have an accurate bushing to get the neck to where you want it? Forgive me if I've got this all wrong but I'm just a beginner at this stuff. Can you take the decapping rod and neck expander out of the die and just use the bushing and bump the neck back?
De-priming: I personally de-prime after media tumbling. If I'm using the wet method with S/S pins I'll de-prime before cleaning. Expander: there is no expander on that die. It's just a small threaded cap to hold the decapping pin.
@@jasonmpd2946 after re-reading the Forster info info on their website obviously I got this wrong ... this die doesn't do full length resizing, it only resizes the neck and the shoulder. I've ordered the Forster Bench Rest seating die but will probably order the Redding Type S Bushing FL bushing die because it does the case as well, but is a little more expensive
Can you actually get more shoulder bump? If your die was bottomed out there is no room for more bump? I ran into this issue with .223AI. Had to cut some length off the bottom of the die but I’d love to know if there is an easier solution. Thanks!
Have you tried the Redding Competition shell holders? They vary in thickness to get your cases up into the dies farther. I believe they increase 1 or 2 thousandths at a time. I bought a set of 6 and they worked great.
Interesting to see the proper shoulder bump. The tool that I have developed (not in production yet though) lets you set the bump even more exactly repeatably to a quarter thou or less than your method and it is not expensive. Regard Martin from UK.
I had one die like this and you will need a good brass so you get consistent neck tension, I switch to a Forster hone die and then use a mandrel to create the neck tension, way more consistent than the bump die.
If you dented the neck after firing (dropping the case) is there an expander ball one can add to the die to fix it or would you have to use a conventional sizing die first?
Chuck up that die in the lathe and remove about .007-.010" or so from the base of the die. Don't worry about (pointless) cam over. Then you'll have free reign to bump the shoulder back as much as needed.
Yes, I send mine back to have some of the base removed, works great with my chamber.
What about a 308? How much should i remove?
You should have shown the inner and outer diameter of the neck so we could judge spring back after sizing. I know this video was about shoulder bump, but you made a big deal on selecting the proper bushing, but did not show the results.
Gavin. You forgot to set the die up for neck sizing length
So if i used the 292 bushing, could i essentially leave the neck alone and just bump the shoulder then size the neck separate with my collet die?
Maybe not use any bushing?
Would have been nice to check the concentricity of the neck. I have the same die and
it throws the concentricity of the neck out.
Could run it without the bushing and use a Lee Collet neck sizer, extra step but may help with neck concentricity.
Gavin forster bushing collet dia roundness ax after sizing ?
Gavin, Going from a FL Redding die to the Forster Neck Bump Bushing Die, with all else being equal, I increase my velocity by about 40 ft/s in my 65CM! Knocked me right off my node 0. So, reduced my charge of H4350 from 42 grains to 41.5 grains and I am once again touching holes...and then I ran out of powder! I think 41.4 is going to be drilling the same hole but i need to wait for Hodgdon to resupply!! Love the Forster die! Bumping about 0.002". Hornady brass varies but the .288 bushing is used the most. Picked one up for the 28N too.
I have the Forster die set for 6PPC. The dies have Sako stamped on them ,but I am running a custom chamber. I bump size but dont want to use the Sako dies. Does Redding bushing neck dies bump the shoulder also.? By the way, I think your videos are great!
Did you watch the video all the way through? He moves the shoulder back .002 inch.
@@robertbrandywine Yes, that was with the Forster die, my question was foe a Redding die. Upon further research I found that Redding neck dies do Not bump the shoulder, their body dies does that
@@fredericktodd5789 Oops, sorry, I missed that you said Redding.
Have you tried the Whidden bump neck FL sizing die? I understand it would affect the dimensions in a fireformed case. I bought the Forster bump neck bushing die for 6.5 Creedmoor along with the igage 1” micrometer and their ball micrometer. Also the Hornady comparator and OAL tool with the proper bushing for 6.5 Creedmoor because of this video. I have a Whidden micrometer seater die on it’s way to me.
Nice video, I noticed your using the 400 bushing to measure shoulder but hornady recommended the 375 bushing. I've tried only neck sizing but bolt is very tight to close, would this be a good purchase.
I am just starting out. My first really nice rifle is cambered in 6.5 creedmore and id like to reload this round. I bought a forester micrometer in 6.5 and now im wondering if i need to bump the shoulders…..
Does the same technique work with a full length die for shoulder bump? Not neck tension obviously
not having all the toys, why not just seat a bullet in whatever brass you have, measure the the o.d. at the neck and subtract .002 and that should be your bushing size. any reason this won't work?
Anyone can help me, I'm a new in reloading and I need help to get a list of thing needs to reload 6.5 Creedmoor, thank you for your support
Thank you for making it more clear about this die.
You are welcome!
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Another option to think about and remember, calibers are not the most accurate, so get some micrometers to do some of your measurements.
th-cam.com/video/yzrnnKPv6Ho/w-d-xo.html
Hey Gavin. Love your videos. Awsome dies. Would also love ta see you do a review on all the mighty armoury dies. That would be awsome.
just what I was looking for. Thanks, great videos man
Gavin do they have any idea for a 30 30 rifle thanks for the head bumping cool new channels 👍
Neat little tool for precision brass and ammo work might have to try this with one of my loads.
Definitely get nitrite bushings if you can.
To make sure I understand it does not size the body it only sizes the neck for bullet tension and bumps the shoulder back for head space is that correct
Yes
@@hewlett260 not sure you're correct there...if it's a full length resizing die which I think it is, then it is sizing the body as well as the neck and shoulder
@@claverton it's not a full length sizing die, Forster offers those as well.
@@hewlett260 of course it's a full length resizing die...you can't bump the shoulder with anything other than a full length resizing die.
@@claverton dude get on Forster's website, they make a die( the one being reviewed) that bumps the shoulder and sets neck tension via bushings without touch the rest of the body. They also make full length sizing dies that do the whole body. They also make neck only dies.
The one being reviewed is the bushing bump die.
So does the brass need to be once fired before you take that measurement of the thickness of the case or can you also do this with virgin brass as well?
I'm not sure there would be any point since the necks are already sized down and the shoulder set fully back. I only size new brass to true the case mouths.
What's hour take on the redding die that does not set the neck tension on the whole neck as this one does.
The Forster neck sizing die can be adjusted to only size as much of the neck as desired. The bushing height is adjusted separately from the die/shoulder bumping height. Very useful feature.
Isn't this the same as a redding full length bushing die?
It sure looks the same.
I don't get why you would include the neck expander or the decapping rod in the die during this process ... Surely you would've already decapped the brass prior to cleaning and this process? Also, why would you have a neck expander when you have an accurate bushing to get the neck to where you want it? Forgive me if I've got this all wrong but I'm just a beginner at this stuff. Can you take the decapping rod and neck expander out of the die and just use the bushing and bump the neck back?
De-priming: I personally de-prime after media tumbling. If I'm using the wet method with S/S pins I'll de-prime before cleaning.
Expander: there is no expander on that die. It's just a small threaded cap to hold the decapping pin.
@@jasonmpd2946 after re-reading the Forster info info on their website obviously I got this wrong ... this die doesn't do full length resizing, it only resizes the neck and the shoulder. I've ordered the Forster Bench Rest seating die but will probably order the Redding Type S Bushing FL bushing die because it does the case as well, but is a little more expensive
Cool!
Can you actually get more shoulder bump? If your die was bottomed out there is no room for more bump? I ran into this issue with .223AI. Had to cut some length off the bottom of the die but I’d love to know if there is an easier solution. Thanks!
No, you found the solution.
Oh i had the same problem all along
Jason McKinney i also have the same problem with redding fl type s.
Have you tried the Redding Competition shell holders? They vary in thickness to get your cases up into the dies farther. I believe they increase 1 or 2 thousandths at a time. I bought a set of 6 and they worked great.
Boxtator actually found out if you camover it will bump more
Does this bushing die create a "donut" between the junction of the shoulder and neck. Something I have experienced with another bushing die.
I haven't seen that myself, but I haven't reloaded over and over with this die (many reloads of the case with this die).
Interesting to see the proper shoulder bump. The tool that I have developed (not in production yet though) lets you set the bump even more exactly repeatably to a quarter thou or less than your method and it is not expensive. Regard Martin from UK.
Redding has had bushing dies for years
Yes, buy they don't bump the shoulder! :)
gavintoobe Sure they do. You buy the Redding shellholders and you can bump in .002 increments.
gavintoobe Sorry. I own the Redding bushing dies and shellholders and they bump the shoulders in .002 increments. You might want to do some research.
FL size and bump shoulder every time. Neck sizing only does nothing.
@@johnsenuta1038 I searched the Redding site before I chose Forster dies....I will look again, maybe they changed, it has been a while.