I didn't put starter fertilizer down with seeds, because I had previously seen your suggestion on waiting a bit, which makes sense. It has been five days and I am just seeing a few new tiny blades coming in. I'm thinking about putting some down (Scott's Triple Action). My only concern is temps are going to be mid to upper 80s for the next week (bad timing for that).
Fantastic Video! You have helped me already and can't wait for the summers videos! Here in lower Michigan we skipped spring, we have had 80s for 4 days now! It's hot here! Great edits! Thank You!
Ryan, good advice on starter fert! I always put it down as soon as i drop seeds then the existing grass gets too long and you can't really mow! good call brother!
I ran into the same scenario when I over seeded in the fall last year. I think I ended up killing a large portion of the new grass due to having to mow the existing grass. This year I'm going to wait until the new grass is ready to be mowed (at around 3"), mow the lawn then put the starter fert down and then wait two weeks to mow again to see if the new grass will survive. I think over seeding is harder than seeding a new area because of the delicate balance between existing and new grass.
Sweet video my lawn still coming out of winter starting to green up been a week now that the snow is gone and hit 73 deg. So no spring here. Right to summer. Keep up the good work.
Thank you very good information! Especially with setting the spreader i have the same one and im hoping i don't burn my new seed i put down ,im also going to wait a week thanks again!!!!
Hey Ryan, I just overseeded with Scotts Sun & Shade Mix yesterday. Based on your video, I couldn't tell if I should wait 3-4 days or 7-8 days before applying starter fertilizer (Scotts Starter + Weed Prevention). I also have Scotts Winterguard to apply and wasn't sure when that should be done (perhaps I wait as late as possible before the first frost?). Thanks so much for the quality and informative videos! This is my first time dethaching, aerating and overseeding!
Don't use weed control on fresh seed, it can kill the seed. Wait until the new grass can stand 3 mowings before using weed control. Wait about 5 days after seeding and use starter fertilizer.... Worked for Scott's lawnservice and tru-green Chemlawn, licensed with ky and ohio department of agriculture previously.
Thanks for the video!I have 11 week old Empire Zoysia Sod.Any reason I shouldn't put down Scott's Starter Fertilizer now (in the heat of summer at 11 weeks) as it's already been purchased?The sod is thriving/growing, but has large patches of light green to chartreuse/yellow.Thanks!
Talk about frustration, this chilly spring has led to a poa trivialis problem that has gotten out of control. it has always been there but never got too bad until this year. Doing an emergency aeration next week.
I really enjoy watching your videos. You have a lot of good ideas and tips. I’m in a cool season area as well and we’re starting to warm up quick too. I put some Scott’s weed and seed down this afternoon. I was curious what your thoughts are on the length of time I should wait to start spraying a post emergent liquid spray. Any advice would be great. Thanks!
I haven't really used weed and feed but I think the chemical amount in there is pretty low. Just give it a week or so and then spot spray with liquid. Do that when it's not blazing hot out though.
Great info!! How are you going to maintain your PRG in the front yard in the summer? Or does it not get so hot out where you are? Appreciate you and the videos!
Thanks! It definitely gets hot here and humid most of the summer months. Golf courses are still able to maintain the turf so I will have to take an approach that is similar. It will be a challenge and I'm still learning so we will see what happens.
Great video, I do have a question If you aerate your yard I'm doing an overseed do you recommend putting the fertilizer down at the same time the starter fertilizer or wait a couple more days if you planning tall fescue? Thanks
Ryan, how’s your front yard coming? Are you still trying the “Connor Ward” experiment, aka shorter cut, golf course turf look? Looking forward to those vidz. Thank You ✌🏻
Hey Ryan...I'm from Indianapolis, and spring never showed up. I didn't even over seed this spring. I did apply starter fertilizer and a full load of Milo at the beginning of May. Then 6 weeks of drought (2.42 inches from April 15 to June 5), what a nightmare. On the other hand I was able to get the weeds under control, and my grass was green with a few brown spots, while my neighbors were brown with green spots. Around the 1st of July I'm going to apply a full load of Milo and a full load of starter fertilizer just before a rain. I know it's a bit late, but I haven't really applied that much fertilizer at all. Do you think this is a mistake, or should I just "THROWER DOWN"? Really enjoy your videos. Keep it up!
I'd say go for it on milorganite but I might wait for fall to hit synthetics. I do the majority of all of my fertilizing in the fall and it works great.
Damn...I knew you were going to say that. Thank you for the reply, truly appreciated. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I may be more impatient than you!
If I apply this to a weed infested lawn, then put down new seed, what is my next step? Do I wait six weeks and then apply Turf Builder Weed & Feed (Yellow bag), then Summer Guard in July, then Winterguard in Fall?
So i was putting down starter fert yst and i dumped about 4200 sqft of product on about 1750 sqft area. It was organic Johnny Green starter fert. I was listening to a podcast and didn't realize how open the shoot was. Not to mention I put down the correct amount of Milorganite a day prior. HELP! ANYONE! Lol i did water the hell out of it after. Thoughts?
I had called around for lawn care management quotes and one guy had taken it upon himself to sign me up automatically. So Sunday night, I put down my crab grass + fertilizer. Monday morning....the company came and put down their crab grass + fertilizer. Awesome. I felt like i could see the grass growing, and I was mowing very often :) Don't let it get out of control though - mow it often to keep up with it.
Out of curiosity, I looked up Site One locations, and it turns out that there’s one right here in town. I’ll have to get some of that starter fertilizer.
So I think I am going to do a renovation on my front lawn this year. Question is I have a moderate Poa issue in the lawn. Will those seeds be growing strong with my new seed also in the fall? I have a light brown tint to my grass now from all the Poa turning brown already. Located in NE Ohio. Going to seed with a KBG mix this fall. Thanks
poa usually dies for the most part in the heat of summer but in order to stop it from gaining ground the next season a pre-emergent is going to be needed for that. I would do your renovation this fall and then just get pre-emergent down next spring before soil temps hit 55
Ryan, you ever have any issues with striping in your lawn? I noticed your paths when laying the fert (@ 7:06) are pretty close to each other. Every time I try to broadcast back to the wheel mark of my previous pass I get stripes, so I opened my passes up and while I have reduced striping, now I think maybe I am not putting enough down. I have also tried doing a checker pattern at a lower spreader setting but that takes quite a while.
Kind of depends on your spreader and how you get used to it. Depending on what I'm throwing and pace of walking I just kind of have a feel for how close I overlap. I wasn't going super heavy with this so I went with a little more overlap just to make sure I covered it well.
Hey Ryan quick question can I use a 10-10-10 ALL PURPOSE stareter fertilizer on fresh new seed??? Even if the back of the bag said it is for trees and shrubs... I'm still getting the Nitrogen and Phosphorus Down correct????
Hey Ryan love the videos keep rocking. Quick question maybe I’ve missed it but have you thrown down pre emergent ? And if you did, do you expect your germination rate for your seed to be way lower ?
3:30 did you buy 10lbs total or did you buy several bags? I only want to focus on my front lawn this year as I'm still learning. 10lb should be plenty right? Hows the progress on the new shed? Are you building yourself?
10 pounds total. For bluegrass if you're over seeding it's about 1-1.5 pounds per thousand sq ft and about double that for a new lawn. Shed will hopefully start tomorrow or right away next week. We are not building it so waiting on weather and that part of it as well.
Great video Ryan! because you overseeded and waiting for those seeds to germinate do you have to hold off on mowing at all? would that hinder the new grass if you did start mowing? trying to understand since i'm planning on overseeding in the fall if mowing would be an issue with the existing lawn when you're having new seeds coming through?
You can mow up until the seedlings start popping out and then you want to wait until they have matured enough to handle traffic. When I overseed ryegrass I usually wait about 10 days if I can from the time they emerge till first mow. I was able to fertilize and walk on this 8 days after seeding just because most of the seed hasn't emerged yet and the same would go for mowing if I wanted to but this actually is not growing very fast yet (the existing stuff I mean) so I have been lucky there.
Have you or do you ever use cow manure? I use it every year and my lawn is super green within about 10 days. I've used synthetic fertilizer as well and works just as good and faster but it's not free like the manure. Just wondering.
Ryan Threw down starter fert, Milo, and sprayed for crabgrass a few.weeks ago. Mowed for the first time.last weekend. Experiencing quack grass. Any ideas on getting rid of it? Overseeding looks like an option??
I've got a ton of it and unfortunately round up is the only way to kill it that i know of. However unless you can selectively paint the grass blades then it will kill the other stuff around it if you spray.
The crabgrass prevent will prevent any seed germination so you won't be able to over seed where you put the cb preventer unless it is especially formulated to work with new grass seed.
A quick question if I have 19,000 square ft of lawn I will need 7.5 bags of milorganite to cover it right that's not to much N. I know u can't put to much down. Grass still looks brown coming out of winter.
This is the first time I've tried it but you want to wait until the grass is actively growing again (so after 2-3 mows) where it should bounce back fairly quickly. Mine is dragging behind but it's been a weird year for weather too so I'm trying to be patient.
Ryan, tell me about your camera gear that you shoot most of your footage with, like when you're talking to the camera and shots across the lawn. Great audio on your camera for your face shots.
Thanks for noticing! I use a panasonic g7 camera with a rode video micro on the top of it to get the audio. I tweak it a bit in post production (compression and EQ) and having a degree in audio production helps a little there but it's not rocket science. :)
Great video Ryan! Could not have said it better myself about lawn care being frustrating at times haha. We skipped spring down here in GA as well!
For those of us who are impatient and also perfectionists, I don't think there's a worse combination. Haha
I don't know what you're talking about Paul. It's in the 80's here in Savannah. Loving it!
Great thought on waiting a sec for the starter fert. Good idea.
Seems to work best for me but I am ready to start striping this bluegrass again. It's been far too long.
I didn't put starter fertilizer down with seeds, because I had previously seen your suggestion on waiting a bit, which makes sense. It has been five days and I am just seeing a few new tiny blades coming in. I'm thinking about putting some down (Scott's Triple Action). My only concern is temps are going to be mid to upper 80s for the next week (bad timing for that).
Fantastic Video! You have helped me already and can't wait for the summers videos! Here in lower Michigan we skipped spring, we have had 80s for 4 days now! It's hot here! Great edits! Thank You!
Definitely not looking forward to that kind of heat yet. I like the in between temps. 60s are perfect!
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care Yes! 60s to 70s are great with a mix of low 80s once in awhile, but definitely not this early! Thanks for replying!
Ryan, good advice on starter fert! I always put it down as soon as i drop seeds then the existing grass gets too long and you can't really mow! good call brother!
Thanks!
I ran into the same scenario when I over seeded in the fall last year. I think I ended up killing a large portion of the new grass due to having to mow the existing grass. This year I'm going to wait until the new grass is ready to be mowed (at around 3"), mow the lawn then put the starter fert down and then wait two weeks to mow again to see if the new grass will survive. I think over seeding is harder than seeding a new area because of the delicate balance between existing and new grass.
I agree it's definitely a challenge.
I faced this same issue in the past - this year I bought a manual reelmower - hoping it will be gentler on the new seedlings.
Sweet video my lawn still coming out of winter starting to green up been a week now that the snow is gone and hit 73 deg. So no spring here. Right to summer. Keep up the good work.
I'm not ready for the heat!
A video on calibrating a spreader would be fantastic!
I'll see what I can do with that!
Thank you very good information! Especially with setting the spreader i have the same one and im hoping i don't burn my new seed i put down ,im also going to wait a week thanks again!!!!
That is some very sound reasoning Ryan. Keep on bringing it!
I'll always give it my best shot!
Great thought on waiting to do the starter fert. I'm going to try that this week!
Works well from the past couple times I've tried it.
I use starter fertilizer every spring and on new grass
Hey Ryan can you make like a chart to explain what you use through the summer like what you first start with to what you use towards the fall.
I'm working on a guide but it may take a while to complete.
Hey Ryan, I just overseeded with Scotts Sun & Shade Mix yesterday. Based on your video, I couldn't tell if I should wait 3-4 days or 7-8 days before applying starter fertilizer (Scotts Starter + Weed Prevention). I also have Scotts Winterguard to apply and wasn't sure when that should be done (perhaps I wait as late as possible before the first frost?). Thanks so much for the quality and informative videos! This is my first time dethaching, aerating and overseeding!
Don't use weed control on fresh seed, it can kill the seed. Wait until the new grass can stand 3 mowings before using weed control. Wait about 5 days after seeding and use starter fertilizer.... Worked for Scott's lawnservice and tru-green Chemlawn, licensed with ky and ohio department of agriculture previously.
Another great video, makes sense to delay the starter fertilizer, I would have put it down right away. Mistake averted.
Thanks for the video!I have 11 week old Empire Zoysia Sod.Any reason I shouldn't put down Scott's Starter Fertilizer now (in the heat of summer at 11 weeks) as it's already been purchased?The sod is thriving/growing, but has large patches of light green to chartreuse/yellow.Thanks!
Talk about frustration, this chilly spring has led to a poa trivialis problem that has gotten out of control. it has always been there but never got too bad until this year. Doing an emergency aeration next week.
Bummer. Sometimes the weather throws us curve balls.
I'm debating either glyphosate, or, just kill it with quick release fert, if that'll work...
That fert would also be great for fruits and flowers
I really enjoy watching your videos. You have a lot of good ideas and tips. I’m in a cool season area as well and we’re starting to warm up quick too. I put some Scott’s weed and seed down this afternoon. I was curious what your thoughts are on the length of time I should wait to start spraying a post emergent liquid spray. Any advice would be great. Thanks!
I haven't really used weed and feed but I think the chemical amount in there is pretty low. Just give it a week or so and then spot spray with liquid. Do that when it's not blazing hot out though.
Question, it’s 55 degrees and I just did a renovation. Can I throw down urea for the last time? Or is it to late. From Long Island N Y
@ 4:04 is that clover/creeping charlie? i could not get rid of it this year.
Great info!! How are you going to maintain your PRG in the front yard in the summer? Or does it not get so hot out where you are? Appreciate you and the videos!
Thanks! It definitely gets hot here and humid most of the summer months. Golf courses are still able to maintain the turf so I will have to take an approach that is similar. It will be a challenge and I'm still learning so we will see what happens.
SiteOne has great spreaders too. Highly recommended when you have a little extra cash.
Yes I've been eyeing one for sure.
I bought one and put my two scotts spreaders on the curb and haven't looked back. Whole new experience with less effort. Thanks for sharing.
I'll get one eventually. That's the plan at least.
$450 for the 80 lb spreader
that jump start keg will be much lighter in color than what you have now
I actually have some of the varieties that aren't extreme green already so it should be ok. I darken it as much as I can with nitrogen and iron.
Great video, I do have a question If you aerate your yard I'm doing an overseed do you recommend putting the fertilizer down at the same time the starter fertilizer or wait a couple more days if you planning tall fescue? Thanks
Ryan, how’s your front yard coming? Are you still trying the “Connor Ward” experiment, aka shorter cut, golf course turf look? Looking forward to those vidz. Thank You ✌🏻
I'm about to dive into it. Haven't had a chance yet but it's very close now.
Hey Ryan...I'm from Indianapolis, and spring never showed up. I didn't even over seed this spring. I did apply starter fertilizer and a full load of Milo at the beginning of May. Then 6 weeks of drought (2.42 inches from April 15 to June 5), what a nightmare. On the other hand I was able to get the weeds under control, and my grass was green with a few brown spots, while my neighbors were brown with green spots. Around the 1st of July I'm going to apply a full load of Milo and a full load of starter fertilizer just before a rain. I know it's a bit late, but I haven't really applied that much fertilizer at all. Do you think this is a mistake, or should I just "THROWER DOWN"? Really enjoy your videos. Keep it up!
I'd say go for it on milorganite but I might wait for fall to hit synthetics. I do the majority of all of my fertilizing in the fall and it works great.
Damn...I knew you were going to say that. Thank you for the reply, truly appreciated. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I may be more impatient than you!
If I apply this to a weed infested lawn, then put down new seed, what is my next step? Do I wait six weeks and then apply Turf Builder Weed & Feed (Yellow bag), then Summer Guard in July, then Winterguard in Fall?
So i was putting down starter fert yst and i dumped about 4200 sqft of product on about 1750 sqft area. It was organic Johnny Green starter fert. I was listening to a podcast and didn't realize how open the shoot was. Not to mention I put down the correct amount of Milorganite a day prior. HELP! ANYONE! Lol i did water the hell out of it after. Thoughts?
Yeah just water it well and most likely it will just go nuts and you'll have to mow every 2 days.
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care I hope. I was worried about damaging the root system.
I had called around for lawn care management quotes and one guy had taken it upon himself to sign me up automatically. So Sunday night, I put down my crab grass + fertilizer. Monday morning....the company came and put down their crab grass + fertilizer. Awesome. I felt like i could see the grass growing, and I was mowing very often :) Don't let it get out of control though - mow it often to keep up with it.
Joe thanks, will do.
Out of curiosity, I looked up Site One locations, and it turns out that there’s one right here in town. I’ll have to get some of that starter fertilizer.
Yep it's good stuff.
I have the same spreader as you. What do you set it too when you put down your Milorganite?
Usually 11
So I think I am going to do a renovation on my front lawn this year. Question is I have a moderate Poa issue in the lawn. Will those seeds be growing strong with my new seed also in the fall? I have a light brown tint to my grass now from all the Poa turning brown already. Located in NE Ohio. Going to seed with a KBG mix this fall. Thanks
poa usually dies for the most part in the heat of summer but in order to stop it from gaining ground the next season a pre-emergent is going to be needed for that. I would do your renovation this fall and then just get pre-emergent down next spring before soil temps hit 55
Ryan, you ever have any issues with striping in your lawn? I noticed your paths when laying the fert (@ 7:06) are pretty close to each other. Every time I try to broadcast back to the wheel mark of my previous pass I get stripes, so I opened my passes up and while I have reduced striping, now I think maybe I am not putting enough down. I have also tried doing a checker pattern at a lower spreader setting but that takes quite a while.
Kind of depends on your spreader and how you get used to it. Depending on what I'm throwing and pace of walking I just kind of have a feel for how close I overlap. I wasn't going super heavy with this so I went with a little more overlap just to make sure I covered it well.
Hey Ryan quick question can I use a 10-10-10 ALL PURPOSE stareter fertilizer on fresh new seed??? Even if the back of the bag said it is for trees and shrubs... I'm still getting the Nitrogen and Phosphorus Down correct????
Hey Ryan love the videos keep rocking. Quick question maybe I’ve missed it but have you thrown down pre emergent ? And if you did, do you expect your germination rate for your seed to be way lower ?
No pre-emergent for me. I haven't used any for the past 2-3 years.
Do you have to roll tamp your sod?
3:30 did you buy 10lbs total or did you buy several bags? I only want to focus on my front lawn this year as I'm still learning. 10lb should be plenty right? Hows the progress on the new shed? Are you building yourself?
10 pounds total. For bluegrass if you're over seeding it's about 1-1.5 pounds per thousand sq ft and about double that for a new lawn. Shed will hopefully start tomorrow or right away next week. We are not building it so waiting on weather and that part of it as well.
Can i use this on a newly install sod ?
Great video Ryan! because you overseeded and waiting for those seeds to germinate do you have to hold off on mowing at all? would that hinder the new grass if you did start mowing? trying to understand since i'm planning on overseeding in the fall if mowing would be an issue with the existing lawn when you're having new seeds coming through?
You can mow up until the seedlings start popping out and then you want to wait until they have matured enough to handle traffic. When I overseed ryegrass I usually wait about 10 days if I can from the time they emerge till first mow. I was able to fertilize and walk on this 8 days after seeding just because most of the seed hasn't emerged yet and the same would go for mowing if I wanted to but this actually is not growing very fast yet (the existing stuff I mean) so I have been lucky there.
do you plan to overseed in the Fall as well? anyways, keep up with the great videos!
Oh I've always got some kind of project going so probably...haha
Have you or do you ever use cow manure? I use it every year and my lawn is super green within about 10 days. I've used synthetic fertilizer as well and works just as good and faster but it's not free like the manure. Just wondering.
I have no used it, no. Sounds interesting.
Ryan Threw down starter fert, Milo, and sprayed for crabgrass a few.weeks ago. Mowed for the first time.last weekend. Experiencing quack grass. Any ideas on getting rid of it? Overseeding looks like an option??
I've got a ton of it and unfortunately round up is the only way to kill it that i know of. However unless you can selectively paint the grass blades then it will kill the other stuff around it if you spray.
The crabgrass prevent will prevent any seed germination so you won't be able to over seed where you put the cb preventer unless it is especially formulated to work with new grass seed.
For quackgrass, use Fluazifop.
A quick question if I have 19,000 square ft of lawn I will need 7.5 bags of milorganite to cover it right that's not to much N. I know u can't put to much down. Grass still looks brown coming out of winter.
That sounds about right. For a larger lawn like that I would probably go synthetic.
Yeah that's what I'm planning that's y I got it while milorganite was on sale to see how it does.
Curious as to know why you dethatch and overseed in the spring versus the fall? Isn’t the grass naturally stressed coming off the winter months?
This is the first time I've tried it but you want to wait until the grass is actively growing again (so after 2-3 mows) where it should bounce back fairly quickly. Mine is dragging behind but it's been a weird year for weather too so I'm trying to be patient.
Is it too soon to start spraying for weeds?
No. I would spot spray now before it gets hot.
Why has not Earthway sent you a spreader?? lol
I think I could definitely use one. :)
Ryan, tell me about your camera gear that you shoot most of your footage with, like when you're talking to the camera and shots across the lawn. Great audio on your camera for your face shots.
ColonelK0rn. Yes Ryan. Tell us more.
Thanks for noticing! I use a panasonic g7 camera with a rode video micro on the top of it to get the audio. I tweak it a bit in post production (compression and EQ) and having a degree in audio production helps a little there but it's not rocket science. :)
Yeah bro! You are really blowing up the videos. Excellent work!
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