There’s this issue where people either seemingly entirely misunderstand videos or thoughts almost on purpose. I feel as though people try their best to entirely misunderstand or sometimes entirely fabricate a mental gymnastics level meaning from something. Often times I see people trying to interpret things in the worst way possible so they have a reason to make outrage out of nothing. I have seen people advocate against basic leftist principles just because the person who said it was not minority enough. I have seen people take things so out of context and then invent context. There’s a lot of nitpicking that occurs amongst the left , based on little opinions , personal identity of the speaker , etc. Another issue i see often is that we tend to assume because someone is a marginalized group, they must then always be correct about everything they say. This can also be harmful. Your small back and forth with that commenter I see often , and often when all other logic is defeated the commenter will just say “well you are cisgender and white so you are wrong”. It’s a logical fallacy for sure but I see it often. And while I understand identity colors how we experience the world, it doesn’t mean we are infallible. I personally am a musician and I stopped posting because people were always quite unkind to me at all times especially about my appearance ( 12:32 I guess in a way as a musician my appearance is an irrelevant detail) I think a lot of issues we have now is definitely focusing on details that don’t matter. Like what you said , irrelevant details. I always say I feel like people “lose the plot” when talking about serious issues. It’s a real issue in both party sides too…. Everyone gets fixated on ad hominem attacks or like really really petty things that don’t matter.
Makes me wonder am I just lazy to not respond to certain comments. I've responded before, but I soon realized there's a big misunderstanding somewhere, and a lot of the times, people don't want to be wrong. Ugh, it's sad AND depressing 💀
Sometimes people are just straight-up mean and troll for the sake of trolling 😂 I think I've become better at putting comments into categories of "constructive feedback", "people who hate themselves and therefore hate you", and "deference politicking" as the video goes over. It can be sad but the best remedy for me is to go outside and touch some grass🌳
I understand your frustration. I think a helpful way to frame this problem is through the concepts of validity and soundness in logic/philosophy. For an argument to be formally valid, it does not require for the premises and the conclusions to be true. However, for an argument to be sound, the premises and conclusions must be both valid and true. For example, I could make the argument that 1. Socrates is a reptile 2. All reptiles breath air using lungs, Conclusion: Socrates breathes air using his lungs. Premise 1 is false, since Socrates is not a reptile. However, premises 2 and the conclusion are true, and the logical construction of this argument is valid. Therefore, we call this a valid but an unsound argument, with a true conclusion. I think you would agree that such an argument holds less value than a truly sound argument. What this implies is that when making an argument, the soundness of the premise is incredibly important. Another illustration of this is how a broken clock will strike the right hour twice a day, but that doesn't mean the clock is correct or reliable. In this particular case, you were right to be frustrated since whether Foxtrot can be considered a "bodega" or not, was besides the point. In other words, it did not form the premise of the main argument you were about to develop. In that sense, we could accuse the guy of attempting at a strawman fallacy, trying to shift the argument to discredit you as a person, and then concluding with an ad-hominem attack, automatically rejecting all subsequent arguments made by you. However, a more charitable way to interpret what happened would be that the guy was indeed right to be skeptical of someone who's made a injudicious statement. In your 60 second clip, you do not go into your main argument, so he may not have thought that this statement of yours has little relevance to the actual issue at hand. I absolutely agree that we should focus on the goals, but the framework of process-focused vs constructive is not something that any one who values a sound argument should accept. For example, the infamous film on global warming, An Inconvenient Truth, does reveal accurately many conclusions about climate change, but it is also laden with false claims. The film will show a dramatic clip of polar icecaps melting to lead the viewers into believing the effects of global warming, whereas in reality, icecaps melt every year. Climatologists all agree that we can never attribute a single extreme weather event to climate change, yet this is also implied in the film. As a result, the whole film and those who've created it lost credibility. It furthered climate skepticism since it confirmed the deniers' belief that pro-global warming people are lying. When you say that the important thing is the outcome, we start venturing into the dangerous territory of the the mindset that the ends always justify the means, which is fundamentally unscientific, anti-democratic, and often times, counter-productive. You mention the fear of such comments discouraging people from posting, but social media is full of people spreading misinformation with no accountability. If anything, some people should be discouraged from posting. As much as I find the comment by the guy annoying as well, and most likely driven by bitterness, he still has a point, and I would encourage you to take this experience as an opportunity to think about your responsibility as a content creator. Yes, you're not an academic, and you are just sharing your opinion, but if you do value sound arguments and constructive outcomes, then I think there's a way to welcome even these negative comments.
Too many internet comment sections devolve into a group of Dunning-Kruger poster children trying to one up each other with snarky remarks. The issue is this stopped being witty or entertaining like 20 years ago, but hasn't stopped them from trying their very best. I just mind my business or if I do comment I simply instantly mute anyone annoying and they're none the wiser, so I leave them to shout into the void.
There’s this issue where people either seemingly entirely misunderstand videos or thoughts almost on purpose. I feel as though people try their best to entirely misunderstand or sometimes entirely fabricate a mental gymnastics level meaning from something. Often times I see people trying to interpret things in the worst way possible so they have a reason to make outrage out of nothing.
I have seen people advocate against basic leftist principles just because the person who said it was not minority enough. I have seen people take things so out of context and then invent context.
There’s a lot of nitpicking that occurs amongst the left , based on little opinions , personal identity of the speaker , etc.
Another issue i see often is that we tend to assume because someone is a marginalized group, they must then always be correct about everything they say. This can also be harmful.
Your small back and forth with that commenter I see often , and often when all other logic is defeated the commenter will just say “well you are cisgender and white so you are wrong”. It’s a logical fallacy for sure but I see it often. And while I understand identity colors how we experience the world, it doesn’t mean we are infallible.
I personally am a musician and I stopped posting because people were always quite unkind to me at all times especially about my appearance ( 12:32 I guess in a way as a musician my appearance is an irrelevant detail)
I think a lot of issues we have now is definitely focusing on details that don’t matter. Like what you said , irrelevant details. I always say I feel like people “lose the plot” when talking about serious issues. It’s a real issue in both party sides too…. Everyone gets fixated on ad hominem attacks or like really really petty things that don’t matter.
Thank you for making this video. Keep having conversations and sharing your story and other’s stories!!
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Makes me wonder am I just lazy to not respond to certain comments. I've responded before, but I soon realized there's a big misunderstanding somewhere, and a lot of the times, people don't want to be wrong. Ugh, it's sad AND depressing 💀
Sometimes people are just straight-up mean and troll for the sake of trolling 😂 I think I've become better at putting comments into categories of "constructive feedback", "people who hate themselves and therefore hate you", and "deference politicking" as the video goes over. It can be sad but the best remedy for me is to go outside and touch some grass🌳
An interesting perspective/explanation to hear, especially on comments on videos (as I leave a comment on this video)
Thank you! I acknowledge this comment as constructive and that makes me want to hug you 💕
I understand your frustration. I think a helpful way to frame this problem is through the concepts of validity and soundness in logic/philosophy. For an argument to be formally valid, it does not require for the premises and the conclusions to be true. However, for an argument to be sound, the premises and conclusions must be both valid and true. For example, I could make the argument that 1. Socrates is a reptile 2. All reptiles breath air using lungs, Conclusion: Socrates breathes air using his lungs. Premise 1 is false, since Socrates is not a reptile. However, premises 2 and the conclusion are true, and the logical construction of this argument is valid. Therefore, we call this a valid but an unsound argument, with a true conclusion. I think you would agree that such an argument holds less value than a truly sound argument.
What this implies is that when making an argument, the soundness of the premise is incredibly important. Another illustration of this is how a broken clock will strike the right hour twice a day, but that doesn't mean the clock is correct or reliable. In this particular case, you were right to be frustrated since whether Foxtrot can be considered a "bodega" or not, was besides the point. In other words, it did not form the premise of the main argument you were about to develop. In that sense, we could accuse the guy of attempting at a strawman fallacy, trying to shift the argument to discredit you as a person, and then concluding with an ad-hominem attack, automatically rejecting all subsequent arguments made by you. However, a more charitable way to interpret what happened would be that the guy was indeed right to be skeptical of someone who's made a injudicious statement. In your 60 second clip, you do not go into your main argument, so he may not have thought that this statement of yours has little relevance to the actual issue at hand.
I absolutely agree that we should focus on the goals, but the framework of process-focused vs constructive is not something that any one who values a sound argument should accept. For example, the infamous film on global warming, An Inconvenient Truth, does reveal accurately many conclusions about climate change, but it is also laden with false claims. The film will show a dramatic clip of polar icecaps melting to lead the viewers into believing the effects of global warming, whereas in reality, icecaps melt every year. Climatologists all agree that we can never attribute a single extreme weather event to climate change, yet this is also implied in the film. As a result, the whole film and those who've created it lost credibility. It furthered climate skepticism since it confirmed the deniers' belief that pro-global warming people are lying. When you say that the important thing is the outcome, we start venturing into the dangerous territory of the the mindset that the ends always justify the means, which is fundamentally unscientific, anti-democratic, and often times, counter-productive. You mention the fear of such comments discouraging people from posting, but social media is full of people spreading misinformation with no accountability. If anything, some people should be discouraged from posting. As much as I find the comment by the guy annoying as well, and most likely driven by bitterness, he still has a point, and I would encourage you to take this experience as an opportunity to think about your responsibility as a content creator. Yes, you're not an academic, and you are just sharing your opinion, but if you do value sound arguments and constructive outcomes, then I think there's a way to welcome even these negative comments.
Too many internet comment sections devolve into a group of Dunning-Kruger poster children trying to one up each other with snarky remarks.
The issue is this stopped being witty or entertaining like 20 years ago, but hasn't stopped them from trying their very best.
I just mind my business or if I do comment I simply instantly mute anyone annoying and they're none the wiser, so I leave them to shout into the void.