Believe it or not, the socket sizes here make no real difference! See 2:21 for how much this same *3/8" socket vs the 1/2" deep socket* used in this video effects power on the same impact (at this bolt size). Weighted sockets and smaller bolts are a different story of course. Our live ranking list was taken down on us, so its new home is now here: etsy.me/3G8j3QK. Not that you NEED the ranking list, but some people like to have it all in one browsable place. Torque of TTC is working for Astro Tools who also make impact wrenches. TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
@torque test channel so glad to see you guys back!!!! but I have a interesting question 😅 how many beans do you think my old craftsman 1/2 19.2v CS1131 is pushing now that I’ve adapted a kobalt 24v 4.0Ah battery to it
i dont think you ever tested the 20V 3/4in earthquake from HF. didnt see it in your videos. i realize the 1/2in missed the mark but id like to see the 3/4in tested.
Anvil size might not but socket size, thickness, and weight does. The socket on the snap on is shorter, thinner, lighter. Per impact it bounces back more compared to the heavier 1/2in drive socket that has a much more positive impact.
@@saucedacarlos91 No one seems to get that the impact at 2:21 's dyno curve is being compared to that same tool with the 1/2" deep impact socket. The same two sockets in this video.
One of the nice things about pneumatic tools is, they all use the same 'battery'. An air hose. You don't need to buy all in on Brand X just because you already bought into the battery's form factor. You just get what ever tool you need, as you need it, based on availability and funds.
I can see myself requiring air hoses everywhere, and a bunch of 12v compressors to bring around, yeah thats cheaper and just so practical that theres simply no doubt, youre a genius.
Hey here's a video idea: test an air impact using smaller 20 gallon compressors as well as pancake and maybe twin tube style compressor with like 5 cfm and see how long they can provide power
I have both and both are great guns. The Matco just has way more rpm (10,000 vs Snap On 8,000) giving it more power. I run 185psi static pressure thru my 3/4" air lines in my shop which makes any air tool a screaming monster.
Its nice to have some reassurance that I bought a very good quality and powerful gun from Matco. It's been putting in work doing rusty shocks on semi tractors since I bought it and was only defeated once by a bolt we had to torch out lol. Honestly a great gun that's worth the price, even more so when it goes on sale!
I realize this is an old video and this comment probably wont be seen but I work in a heavy diesel fleet shop and have the big brother to the Matco stubby the MT2779 and your results with that gun are astonishing because if it runs the same way as the MT2779 your results in reverse would have been with the gun set to low torque, can't say anything on behalf of the Snap-on because I don't have any Snap-on air guns. But on my MT2779 you have to twist the power dial to the left or "low" when you put it in reverse to get full beans which is counter intuitive as it is not marked on the back of the tool but the difference on my gun in free speed RPM and effect on a rusted up fasteners is night and day. Anyway keep up the good work, always look forward to the videos and its nice having someone give these things an honest test against whatever pie in the sky numbers that a marketing dept wanted to print on a box.
Yet another great example of an amazing test. Thanks for your hard work Torque Test Channel. It's nice to see Matco not being a one trick pony with their larger guns. Keep crushing the videos!
That Astro Nano is looking better and better. Especially for the price. Could you guys try the Ryobi PBLID02 Impact driver? Would love to see how it stacks up on the ranklist. Great video as always!
It's really really great, other than the volume. It's honestly my go-to impact, been using it as a daily with a swivel for a few years now. Going to be buying another just as a backup in case I can't get a rebuild kit should I need it. I end up using it in all sorts of weird spots where I never would have thought you could fit in impact, so much that the paint is basically completely gone. You can wedge and jam it in anywhere, but it's still go the torque to bust lugnuts all day. I love it for the pump rebuilds I have to do, I'm up on a stand 8 feet in the air so small and light is good, and I have about 30 1/2" bolts to deal with, and a couple 300ft/lb wedge bolts that it zips off every time.
there is a reason I have a 2141 3/4 IR impact, a 7748 CP 1/2 inch impact, an IR 2115 3/8 impact, and a Milwaukee 18V Fuel 3/8 cordless. Sometimes, you need more. Sometimes, you need way more. The shop has a 1" D handle 2850 IR for the big boy stuff. Great content, TTC.
I have the old version of that matco gun, can confirm it hits like a freight train despite its tiny size. was using a mac awp050m awhile ago, that thing was nuts, dunno how long it will live but its 1/2 the diameter of the old matco gun and is the fastest impact I've ever used
I have the same gun great little impact they punch hard. I did have to rebuild mine last year though. The last shop I worked at had a ton of water in the air compressor killed it pretty quick. I've since swapped to using Milwaukee electrics and keep the stubby around for extremely tight areas.
I’ve own the snap on 3/8 stubby for over a year now and I will say I’ve noticed a difference of power like you guys said, especially when jumping over to having to use the air compressor in the shop vs. the service trucks compressor
I love it tho I use it more often than ever, it’s helpful when getting between tight spaces it’s price was alittle higher than I would’ve liked but my snap on guy worked out a deal to throw in sockets so it was worth it
You should do a destructive test. Get a 2000 psi cylinder and keep running increased pressure through the gun till the case cracks. I always wondered what is actually too much for an air impact. Formula 1 guns are like 400 PSI.
A "tip" I'll tell you about the Snap On PT338 and PT350. The motor cylinder has a screw that attaches it to the rear motor plate. This screw comes loose and the tool loses power very quickly. Dab a little lock tight on the screw and torque to about 8-10 inch pounds and the tool will run the way it was ment to run.
That matco is a proper nice ergonomic design as well as internal ability, snap-on really not best place to be buying air tools lol, worst cost outright and for repair, it hits your wallet hard and that about it lol .
I've got a stubby 3/8 from Mac tools. It's pretty good, gives the Snap-on MG325 a run for its money, subjectively speaking. If I end up buying another stubby, it will be from matco.
On these two sockets, less than 5ft-lbs. As socket size decreases the difference % goes up. We have 2 episodes on it. Also at 2:21 you see a 3/8" anvil swapped compact being dyno'd vs its 1/2" anvil using these two different sockets. So that dyno graph shows the difference.
Dude I LOVE my stubby Matco. I have the dr pepper red color, it's never failed me! Torque converters, rusted fasteners for exhaust etc. I have Matcos purple 1/2 in. Rex impact. The stubby is for please come off, and the 1/2 in. Is when I'm not asking rather telling you to come off! Matco has some good tools, so does Mac, and snap on, but my Matco impacts are some of my better purchases!
@@saulgood6190 I work in a shop with a large air compressor so I'm not exactly sure, but I do know it doesn't eat near as much air up as something larger. I can do probably 2x work with it before the compressor kicks on compared to my earthquake XT. It definitely likes higher pressure though, went from 90 to 120 and it feels better
i have the matco for a few years now. if im not mistaken i got it live on koons channel. regardless it let me down for the first time this past week during a engine over haul. i would pull the trigger and it would hammer once and then just lock up and hissss at me. i oil it often and i have a grease gun that i use on it..... well i got mad and opened it up and noticed all it was was the hammer was dry. i took the hammer and the cover and cleaned it and greased and finished my overhaul with no more issues.
It's always interesting to see what these new stubbies are capable of. It's also interesting to see that Astro is repairing Matco impacts too. My old Matco AI150 decided it wants to run without squeezing the trigger, and my Matco distributor said a minimum of over two hundred bucks and a $95hr labor rate. It's been a good impact for the last twenty years, but damn! Perhaps you guys could give us some insight on how to fix this problem? I'd hate to just throw it away and buy another Astro, if I can get my hands on one anyways...
Imo there are 4 possibilities. 1. The trigger gets stuck in a pushed in position , most of the times it's caused by grime , dust and other things getting in the trigger. 2. The opening mechanism itself got stuck in the open position from grime.... 3. Something mechanical broke which should stop the air from going into the impact. 4. The trigger itself broke So easiest thing to try would be to take it apart and try cleaning it You are gonna have to take it apart either way , so while it's taken apart , check parts for any damage which may cause it to not shut off.
@@LorandHungary I already pulled it apart, and the delrin like seat has a chunk missing. I'd be more than happy to replace that valve seat, but it seems to be made of unobtanium. Just like the info on how to do it.
New to the channel. I'm enjoying it. Maybe a question and answer that has been discussed, but the readings are from a clamp force test. I get that a torque test instrument/dyno is expensive and useful for nothing else. But a torque test measures rotational force. Your clamping force on load cells has losses in the stretch and vibration of the bolt and friction loss in the 90° directional change and drag between the threads of the bolt and plate. Roughly a 20-25% loss. Your test is very applicable and more cost effective to build. Might help people understand the guns are actually more powerful than the clamp reading. Sorry if already discussed.
All of that becomes irrelevant once calibrated with a coefficient. Once a known value makes a known value everything is good to go. See episode one. Being repeatable is all that's needed. These guns aren't rated for rotation torque. They are rated for bolt tightness. Not like an engine.
Love your channel. Could you guys test a 1/2 impact with 1/2 to 3/8 adapter to see if there's a difference? Im debating on whether to invest in stubby 1/2 impact sockets or just use my 1/2 impact with adapter on my 3/8 stubby sockets.
Generally any adaptors will reduce the torque some. It allows some slop which takes away from the hammer blows. The adaptors are cheap so I’d just get one and use it. If you find the gun can’t make enough torque with the adaptor then it’d be time to get the sockets.
I was going through your videos and didn't see any where you test Torque Limiting Extensions... Am I missing it? I'd be curious to see how accurate these extensions are for easily getting the Torque right on our wheels without having to break out the Torque wrench
@@TorqueTestChannel thank you. I seriously hope they are pretty close to accurate. I really hate having to go back and verify torque after rotating tires.
@@MrRandyj72 Always verify torque with a torque wrench. Those tools simply allow you to quickly get the vehicle back on the ground without damning the wheels with an impact
I’ve worked in 3 automotive shops and all of them ran air pressure between 150-175 psi. I’ve got a gauge on the inlet side of one of my air tools and this 150-175psi was the actual line pressure at the tool connection while the tool was in use. Aside from body shops I’m curious how many shops actually run such a relatively low pressure.
@@chesterswingjr9796 even hand tools there's a good amount of competition that snap on can't really justify their price The only real place snap on stands out as being the definitive best is their tool boxes
@@Alucard-gt1zf - Yep. I’ve got a $180 dollar + Snap-on 3/8” locking flex head ratchet that I don’t use as often as my Harbor Freight ratchet, and it’s been rebuilt twice, and is broken AGAIN!!! My Harbor Freight, Husky, and Gearwrench ratchets haven’t let me down yet, I’ve used 3ft pipes on my Harbor Freight breaker bar, and it’s still going strong!!! My snap-on ratchet has been pretty much babied, and it STILL breaks!!!
@@chesterswingjr9796 Funny I've had this same exact experience with Matco ratchets breaking on me at work after being babied (never hammered or cheater piped) broken 4 pawls in 10 months, unacceptable. I've hammered and cheater piped my Gearwrench ratchets many times over many years never broke one! And when it comes to boxes, my Gearwrench 72" x 25" box was an amazing deal for $3k. Thicker gauge steel than entry level tool truck boxes, double slide drawers with 300lb capacity, and a very nice rocking handle desgin that i like much better than snap on's loose plastic handles. Made in Taiwan, yes, but you can't get this much box from a tool truck for even 8k..
@@z33tanner - That’s funny you say that, because one of my BRAND NEW Matco ratchets broke the first time I used it!!! Snap ring popped out, and the paw, and gears went flying across the floor. I just went to loosen a bolt, no cheater bar, just a regular fastener. The replacement has worked fine, but now I’m scared to actually use it!!! I did buy the 44” US General lime green box. I got lucky, and my store had a open box model for $399, so I got a good deal. I’ve had nice Matco, Snap-on boxes in the past, and while they’re great, quality boxes, I can’t justify the price at close to retirement age!!! 😂
I bought that same green matco a couple years ago after watching this video. I love it and its a beast, its compact and it will take most bolts off. I was contemplating buying the mac instead because its smaller but its slightly less powerful
I have the 3/8" MG gun I think it's the MG325 from Snap-on and I kept on sending it back as it was gutless in forward. I got into an argument with my dealer saying they should port it. The forward reverse bias on Snap-on tools is anoying so I don't buy them.
You guys try an aircat 1077 stubby yet? I've been running that one for 3 years now. Barely ever take out my 1/2" gun. Usually go straight to the 3/4" or a torch if the stubby won't do it.
It would be cool if you tested Milwaukee one key line see if you set there custom torque figures if they stay consistent between runs/different batteries/batteries level and even if you used a high torque set down to 300 foot pounds compared to a mid torque/stubby set yo 300 foot pounds see how close they compare on the dino
Ive got the blue point stuby in 1/2 use it for caliper bolts all the time and and other places the bigger impacts don't fit handy for manifold bolts to even taken out frame crossmember bolts when I had to drop a fuel tank on a E450
The Snapon will develop more power over time as the air vanes seat in and allow less air to bypass. This is because they use a resin coating in the vane construction that gives the air motor longevity and durability.
I'll keep my IR stubby that cost $179 and works great for almost any job that isn't crazy tight. My IR Titanium comes out for those jobs. Did I mention I sold off all my Snap On air and electric tools? ;)
you should put the CP 7732C compact 1/2" impact in to the mix, great little gun would like to see how it really fairs up against the big brands along side of the rest of the competitors!
Can u test the Mac tools 1/2” mini air impact AWP050M. A buddy of mine has it and that thing blows my mind every time it rips off rusted airbag mounting bolts and shock bolts.
i'm telling the astro pneumatic stubby is the way to go. Even being the smallest, it still can't get anywhere. And it can break loose crank bolts and axle nuts.
Hey ttc these are great videos that i enjoy watching. For another compact air impact wrench battle i would like to see the mac mini impact to see how it stands out to these others.
Astro doesnt make this gun, so they wouldn't be the MAIN repair center for it. But no, all the stubby Matco guns they've seen are for traditional reasons. Some of them needing a tune up for more power, but not like killing itself due to friction like this one.
I guess I'll stick with my Ingersoll 35QMAX compact impact been working good and I pull out the 3/4" 40v makita for the beans I'd be lost without your compassion channel🤘
Seeing as I'm the viewer that sent it in, no scam. Bought it from my local Matco truck at work. Used it maybe 5 times prior to sending it in. The TTC guys were awesome in handling the issue with it and have to give them the upmost appreciation and props on their honesty.
You should test the sunex SXMC12 and maybe their full size one too. My sxmc12 has pulled crank bolts out my mg725 couldn't and I also have the 3/8 drive Matco of the one in the vid, and the sunex definitely has more beans than that
I own both my matco stubby has been sent out 3 times for repair I also have a coworker who’s had his sent out 2 twice. The matco definitely has more power but for overall quality and power buy the snap on.
I was gonna buy a 1/2 inch from my Matco guy but he told me if I use it too much, I would be sending it in all the time for repairs, so I bought a Mac Tools one instead, hasn't let me down in 6 months of daily use, and I got it for pretty cheap. One of my favorite tools I have in my box.
Some of the Matco guys I’ve hear say turn the dial down in reverse and it makes more power somehow, doesn’t make sense but wonder if that can be tested
Possible maybe the dial go to far and go pass the edge of the hole effectively reducing the air flow volume So it's bad tolerance or sloppy manufacturing
I've got a 9012MT Hazet compact impact laying around in my shop and I've always wondered if Hazet's dubious 1400NM were actually true or not. Would you be interested in checking it out?
Snap-on air tools are psi whors but since shops regularly run at 150-180 psi it isn't really a problem. Air tools should be designed to run best at shop pressure if they are made for professionals interested of DIYers.
I have an older earthquake 1/2 3/8 and 3/8 ratchet I picked up all 3 for 100 bucks brand new and have been using them ever since with no complaints except the 1/2 doesn’t hold the sockets anymore but I’m to lazy to fix it
Got the Matco gun Man the same green that bad boy is truly the best stubby air impact gun for the money only problem is the quality control I had to send mines out as well but that’s probably because I got it when it first came out hopefully they got there tolerances down better because man oh man. Only other problem is that little gun screams in the shop lmao
I've got the ingersal 1/2 air impact it's a beast but I've been debating for a long time getting the stubby compact and have strongly debated earthquake matco or of course snap on
I’d love to see a test with sockets like the Lyles Honda Harmonic Balancer Socket. This socket is proven to break loose the harmonic bolt vs traditional sockets the same size.
If a recall correctly it already did this test and was surprised by the results It work great on smaller fastener but at this size bolt it doesn't really make a difference Watch back at the 2min20 sec in the video he show the astro nano wit both the long socket and the shallow socket and it made no difference
@Torque Test Channel. You guys should build (or order) 2 custom rotors. One aluminum and one lead (or iron). Just because 😂. Also, you should drill a whistle into a rotor like the nerf vortex. Make that baby whistle real good haha.
I had a thought while watching this about the Snap-On tool. I'm wondering if the increase in number of vanes causes an effect that looks similar to a lower displacement engine because the distance between vanes is smaller. That would explain why they went with a larger diameter rotor if true. They would do that to compensate for the lower torque from this design by increasing the diameter at which the torque is applied. Honestly I don't understand what the thought process was from an engineering standpoint on this design because it's clearly starving for air at normal lower pressures. I guess like with a high revving, low displacement engine, you could get the same results with gearing it properly, but the problem with that is that these air tools don't have any gearsets like the cordless tools do. Weird that they did this.
PT338 is a 3/8" impact. We had 3/8" custom sockets made for this huge bolt, they couldn't make deep. On these two sockets, the difference is less than 5ft-lbs. As socket size decreases the difference % goes up. We have 2 episodes on it. Also at 2:21 you see a 3/8" anvil swapped compact being dyno'd vs its 1/2" anvil using these two different sockets. So that dyno graph shows the difference.
Hey what quick connect coupler are you using on your hose? I have the harbor freight 5 in 1 Safe coupler but I noticed it’s leaking air slightly after 2 weeks of use.
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Believe it or not, the socket sizes here make no real difference! See 2:21 for how much this same *3/8" socket vs the 1/2" deep socket* used in this video effects power on the same impact (at this bolt size). Weighted sockets and smaller bolts are a different story of course. Our live ranking list was taken down on us, so its new home is now here: etsy.me/3G8j3QK. Not that you NEED the ranking list, but some people like to have it all in one browsable place.
Torque of TTC is working for Astro Tools who also make impact wrenches. TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
You guys should try to get Facom's Nano impact. It would be interesting as it's well spec'd and we'll regarded by users.
@torque test channel so glad to see you guys back!!!! but I have a interesting question 😅 how many beans do you think my old craftsman 1/2 19.2v CS1131 is pushing now that I’ve adapted a kobalt 24v 4.0Ah battery to it
i dont think you ever tested the 20V 3/4in earthquake from HF. didnt see it in your videos. i realize the 1/2in missed the mark but id like to see the 3/4in tested.
Anvil size might not but socket size, thickness, and weight does. The socket on the snap on is shorter, thinner, lighter. Per impact it bounces back more compared to the heavier 1/2in drive socket that has a much more positive impact.
@@saucedacarlos91 No one seems to get that the impact at 2:21 's dyno curve is being compared to that same tool with the 1/2" deep impact socket. The same two sockets in this video.
One of the nice things about pneumatic tools is, they all use the same 'battery'. An air hose. You don't need to buy all in on Brand X just because you already bought into the battery's form factor. You just get what ever tool you need, as you need it, based on availability and funds.
you can get battery adaptors. i have milwaukee and dewalt running off my makita batteries
@@jameshunt2141 true but, that's practical and sensible. The psychological impulse, is to have all the tools in the battery line.
I can see myself requiring air hoses everywhere, and a bunch of 12v compressors to bring around, yeah thats cheaper and just so practical that theres simply no doubt, youre a genius.
@@pflaffik ... thanks for the snarky negativity.
plus, if you don't use tool very much, no worries if batteries are charged or any good.
Hey here's a video idea: test an air impact using smaller 20 gallon compressors as well as pancake and maybe twin tube style compressor with like 5 cfm and see how long they can provide power
YES! That would be a nice piece of information. Which size of a compressor can provide enough CFM for a given category of impact wrenches.
We're working on that. We's need to shlepp our home compressors into work, so yeah not right away lol
@@TorqueTestChannel You guys rock
@@TorqueTestChannel thank you! Also please test with cheaper harbor freight guns too cuz some of us are poor lol
@@andrewk8636 the green earthquake one they have
That matco stubby is amazing! Good on you guys for doing the right thing. More folks live that way the happier everyone will be
Hope snapoff doesn't come crying next. F-em if they do
I haven’t seen many Cornwell tools tested on this channel. I use the older cornwell stubby for everything and it doesn’t disappoint me.
I have both and both are great guns. The Matco just has way more rpm (10,000 vs Snap On 8,000) giving it more power.
I run 185psi static pressure thru my 3/4" air lines in my shop which makes any air tool a screaming monster.
Its nice to have some reassurance that I bought a very good quality and powerful gun from Matco. It's been putting in work doing rusty shocks on semi tractors since I bought it and was only defeated once by a bolt we had to torch out lol. Honestly a great gun that's worth the price, even more so when it goes on sale!
I realize this is an old video and this comment probably wont be seen but I work in a heavy diesel fleet shop and have the big brother to the Matco stubby the MT2779 and your results with that gun are astonishing because if it runs the same way as the MT2779 your results in reverse would have been with the gun set to low torque, can't say anything on behalf of the Snap-on because I don't have any Snap-on air guns. But on my MT2779 you have to twist the power dial to the left or "low" when you put it in reverse to get full beans which is counter intuitive as it is not marked on the back of the tool but the difference on my gun in free speed RPM and effect on a rusted up fasteners is night and day. Anyway keep up the good work, always look forward to the videos and its nice having someone give these things an honest test against whatever pie in the sky numbers that a marketing dept wanted to print on a box.
Yet another great example of an amazing test. Thanks for your hard work Torque Test Channel. It's nice to see Matco not being a one trick pony with their larger guns. Keep crushing the videos!
That Astro Nano is looking better and better. Especially for the price.
Could you guys try the Ryobi PBLID02 Impact driver?
Would love to see how it stacks up on the ranklist.
Great video as always!
It's really really great, other than the volume. It's honestly my go-to impact, been using it as a daily with a swivel for a few years now. Going to be buying another just as a backup in case I can't get a rebuild kit should I need it.
I end up using it in all sorts of weird spots where I never would have thought you could fit in impact, so much that the paint is basically completely gone. You can wedge and jam it in anywhere, but it's still go the torque to bust lugnuts all day. I love it for the pump rebuilds I have to do, I'm up on a stand 8 feet in the air so small and light is good, and I have about 30 1/2" bolts to deal with, and a couple 300ft/lb wedge bolts that it zips off every time.
I bought it and there’s no regrets it’s done everything I need. It also busts off lug nuts like no problem
there is a reason I have a 2141 3/4 IR impact, a 7748 CP 1/2 inch impact, an IR 2115 3/8 impact, and a Milwaukee 18V Fuel 3/8 cordless. Sometimes, you need more. Sometimes, you need way more. The shop has a 1" D handle 2850 IR for the big boy stuff. Great content, TTC.
They do make a 1/2" drive version of this stubby fellas it's called the PT350 and I have one, and it's a badass.
Oh hey thanks! Didnt see that yet when we were testing these
I've been running the nano professionally for well over a year now. Still going strong! The little guy is hard to beat!
Astro makes good tools especially for the price of them
I have the old version of that matco gun, can confirm it hits like a freight train despite its tiny size. was using a mac awp050m awhile ago, that thing was nuts, dunno how long it will live but its 1/2 the diameter of the old matco gun and is the fastest impact I've ever used
I have the same gun great little impact they punch hard. I did have to rebuild mine last year though. The last shop I worked at had a ton of water in the air compressor killed it pretty quick. I've since swapped to using Milwaukee electrics and keep the stubby around for extremely tight areas.
I’ve own the snap on 3/8 stubby for over a year now and I will say I’ve noticed a difference of power like you guys said, especially when jumping over to having to use the air compressor in the shop vs. the service trucks compressor
I love it tho I use it more often than ever, it’s helpful when getting between tight spaces it’s price was alittle higher than I would’ve liked but my snap on guy worked out a deal to throw in sockets so it was worth it
This channel is severely under rated
You guys do an amazing job Love this channel keep up the great work
You should do a destructive test. Get a 2000 psi cylinder and keep running increased pressure through the gun till the case cracks. I always wondered what is actually too much for an air impact. Formula 1 guns are like 400 PSI.
Most of the bigger tools they test are lent to them by other tool TH-camrs unless they bought the tools (which they do a lot)
@@YourPalQWERTY plus that is straight up dangerous. And expensive. . . No way is that worth it.
A "tip" I'll tell you about the Snap On PT338 and PT350. The motor cylinder has a screw that attaches it to the rear motor plate. This screw comes loose and the tool loses power very quickly. Dab a little lock tight on the screw and torque to about 8-10 inch pounds and the tool will run the way it was ment to run.
That matco is a proper nice ergonomic design as well as internal ability, snap-on really not best place to be buying air tools lol, worst cost outright and for repair, it hits your wallet hard and that about it lol .
Oh snap! Matco brings the beans. To bad You just have to take it apart and sand it down. Thank you for the extra effort.
We need to see the cornwell impacts soon!
all ingersol made usually
I've got a stubby 3/8 from Mac tools. It's pretty good, gives the Snap-on MG325 a run for its money, subjectively speaking. If I end up buying another stubby, it will be from matco.
I have the pt338 and it's definitely an air hog... snap on even tells you it requires high flow fittings. But for a 3/8 gun it's definitely a monster
I just picked up the SnapOn brushless CT861 3/8 impact. Would you like me to send it in to dance with the dyno?
We have someone in line for that currently, thanks!
Awesome. Fantastic review by the way.
@@BlindBatG34 send it to me I'll throw it in the lake and buy a milwaukee.
@@frontspring1 why not sell it and buy a Milwaukee instead
@@TheBootyWrangler I can't sell junk
How much effect does the different mass of the sockets have on the numbers?
On these two sockets, less than 5ft-lbs. As socket size decreases the difference % goes up. We have 2 episodes on it. Also at 2:21 you see a 3/8" anvil swapped compact being dyno'd vs its 1/2" anvil using these two different sockets. So that dyno graph shows the difference.
You read my mind. How fair of a comparison if not running same socket and now who knows what pressure🤔
Dude I LOVE my stubby Matco. I have the dr pepper red color, it's never failed me! Torque converters, rusted fasteners for exhaust etc. I have Matcos purple 1/2 in. Rex impact. The stubby is for please come off, and the 1/2 in. Is when I'm not asking rather telling you to come off! Matco has some good tools, so does Mac, and snap on, but my Matco impacts are some of my better purchases!
was contemplating on getting the 1/2 stubby today haha
I've been loving my Astro Nano, these results are very validating. Also is still shorter than the tool truck brands
Does it need alot of cfm to work hard?
@@saulgood6190 I work in a shop with a large air compressor so I'm not exactly sure, but I do know it doesn't eat near as much air up as something larger. I can do probably 2x work with it before the compressor kicks on compared to my earthquake XT. It definitely likes higher pressure though, went from 90 to 120 and it feels better
I love it when the cheaper tool beats the more expensive tool 😎
How much did it cost if they add in the repair! I had the same problem with my matco impact! It’s junk if i can’t do my job!
Great runs but I’m still loving my Aircat 1056 XL. Especially for the price.
100%
i have the matco for a few years now. if im not mistaken i got it live on koons channel. regardless it let me down for the first time this past week during a engine over haul. i would pull the trigger and it would hammer once and then just lock up and hissss at me. i oil it often and i have a grease gun that i use on it..... well i got mad and opened it up and noticed all it was was the hammer was dry. i took the hammer and the cover and cleaned it and greased and finished my overhaul with no more issues.
It's always interesting to see what these new stubbies are capable of.
It's also interesting to see that Astro is repairing Matco impacts too. My old Matco AI150 decided it wants to run without squeezing the trigger, and my Matco distributor said a minimum of over two hundred bucks and a $95hr labor rate. It's been a good impact for the last twenty years, but damn!
Perhaps you guys could give us some insight on how to fix this problem? I'd hate to just throw it away and buy another Astro, if I can get my hands on one anyways...
Imo there are 4 possibilities.
1. The trigger gets stuck in a pushed in position , most of the times it's caused by grime , dust and other things getting in the trigger.
2. The opening mechanism itself got stuck in the open position from grime....
3. Something mechanical broke which should stop the air from going into the impact.
4. The trigger itself broke
So easiest thing to try would be to take it apart and try cleaning it
You are gonna have to take it apart either way , so while it's taken apart , check parts for any damage which may cause it to not shut off.
@@LorandHungary I already pulled it apart, and the delrin like seat has a chunk missing. I'd be more than happy to replace that valve seat, but it seems to be made of unobtanium. Just like the info on how to do it.
Great video, I have an MT2779 and it works amazingly well. No need for a compact yet but I'd still go Matco if I had to pick...
I own the Matco one and love it my 1/2 impact is a snap on due to comfort not power
Could you test the new matco stubby raptor
I wonder if you'll see any improvements after "break-in", and the vanes get "set" to the housing?
Yall kept saying pt650 it was the pt850. Just saying! Love you guys!
Oh wow, and I didn't even catch this until now. Haha, you're 100% spot on
You should use the same socket. Tell me you never worked in a shop without telling me you never worked in a shop. The socket %100 matters
New to the channel. I'm enjoying it. Maybe a question and answer that has been discussed, but the readings are from a clamp force test. I get that a torque test instrument/dyno is expensive and useful for nothing else. But a torque test measures rotational force. Your clamping force on load cells has losses in the stretch and vibration of the bolt and friction loss in the 90° directional change and drag between the threads of the bolt and plate. Roughly a 20-25% loss. Your test is very applicable and more cost effective to build. Might help people understand the guns are actually more powerful than the clamp reading. Sorry if already discussed.
All of that becomes irrelevant once calibrated with a coefficient. Once a known value makes a known value everything is good to go. See episode one. Being repeatable is all that's needed. These guns aren't rated for rotation torque. They are rated for bolt tightness. Not like an engine.
Love your channel. Could you guys test a 1/2 impact with 1/2 to 3/8 adapter to see if there's a difference? Im debating on whether to invest in stubby 1/2 impact sockets or just use my 1/2 impact with adapter on my 3/8 stubby sockets.
Yes, we can do that
Generally any adaptors will reduce the torque some. It allows some slop which takes away from the hammer blows.
The adaptors are cheap so I’d just get one and use it. If you find the gun can’t make enough torque with the adaptor then it’d be time to get the sockets.
@@TorqueTestChannel Awesome
@@NBSV1 What Im more curious to know is by how much that difference will be. Will it be enough to justify buying a $60-100 set or not? Possibly.
I hope Matco hears about this.
I was going through your videos and didn't see any where you test Torque Limiting Extensions... Am I missing it? I'd be curious to see how accurate these extensions are for easily getting the Torque right on our wheels without having to break out the Torque wrench
Working on editing it soon
@@TorqueTestChannel thank you. I seriously hope they are pretty close to accurate. I really hate having to go back and verify torque after rotating tires.
@@MrRandyj72 Always verify torque with a torque wrench. Those tools simply allow you to quickly get the vehicle back on the ground without damning the wheels with an impact
@@TorqueTestChannel , truth.
I’ve worked in 3 automotive shops and all of them ran air pressure between 150-175 psi. I’ve got a gauge on the inlet side of one of my air tools and this 150-175psi was the actual line pressure at the tool connection while the tool was in use. Aside from body shops I’m curious how many shops actually run such a relatively low pressure.
As much as I love supporting USA made products the Snap on air and electric tools are just too pricey.
Hand tools, absolutely. Battery tools, Milwaukee spanks it in EVERY category.
@@chesterswingjr9796 even hand tools there's a good amount of competition that snap on can't really justify their price
The only real place snap on stands out as being the definitive best is their tool boxes
@@Alucard-gt1zf - Yep. I’ve got a $180 dollar + Snap-on 3/8” locking flex head ratchet that I don’t use as often as my Harbor Freight ratchet, and it’s been rebuilt twice, and is broken AGAIN!!! My Harbor Freight, Husky, and Gearwrench ratchets haven’t let me down yet, I’ve used 3ft pipes on my Harbor Freight breaker bar, and it’s still going strong!!! My snap-on ratchet has been pretty much babied, and it STILL breaks!!!
@@chesterswingjr9796 Funny I've had this same exact experience with Matco ratchets breaking on me at work after being babied (never hammered or cheater piped) broken 4 pawls in 10 months, unacceptable. I've hammered and cheater piped my Gearwrench ratchets many times over many years never broke one! And when it comes to boxes, my Gearwrench 72" x 25" box was an amazing deal for $3k. Thicker gauge steel than entry level tool truck boxes, double slide drawers with 300lb capacity, and a very nice rocking handle desgin that i like much better than snap on's loose plastic handles. Made in Taiwan, yes, but you can't get this much box from a tool truck for even 8k..
@@z33tanner - That’s funny you say that, because one of my BRAND NEW Matco ratchets broke the first time I used it!!! Snap ring popped out, and the paw, and gears went flying across the floor. I just went to loosen a bolt, no cheater bar, just a regular fastener. The replacement has worked fine, but now I’m scared to actually use it!!! I did buy the 44” US General lime green box. I got lucky, and my store had a open box model for $399, so I got a good deal. I’ve had nice Matco, Snap-on boxes in the past, and while they’re great, quality boxes, I can’t justify the price at close to retirement age!!! 😂
I would really like to see the Facom Stubby line of Impacts. I have a 1/2" Stubby and it is absolutely impressive!
looks like an aircat impact
Would you consider testing the difference between the M18 and M12 Surge hydraulic impact drivers vs the regular M18 and M12 models?
We tried dyno'ing it here: th-cam.com/video/HTGrYkF3khw/w-d-xo.html they dont dyno
@@TorqueTestChannel wild. Thank you.
Got a matco 3/8 stubby and man it works better than everyone else’s 3/8 guns in the whole shop
I bought that same green matco a couple years ago after watching this video. I love it and its a beast, its compact and it will take most bolts off. I was contemplating buying the mac instead because its smaller but its slightly less powerful
I have the 3/8" MG gun I think it's the MG325 from Snap-on and I kept on sending it back as it was gutless in forward. I got into an argument with my dealer saying they should port it. The forward reverse bias on Snap-on tools is anoying so I don't buy them.
You guys try an aircat 1077 stubby yet? I've been running that one for 3 years now. Barely ever take out my 1/2" gun. Usually go straight to the 3/4" or a torch if the stubby won't do it.
It would be cool if you tested Milwaukee one key line see if you set there custom torque figures if they stay consistent between runs/different batteries/batteries level and even if you used a high torque set down to 300 foot pounds compared to a mid torque/stubby set yo 300 foot pounds see how close they compare on the dino
Can you do more air powered tools? That's what I use most at my shop. Love your channel!
Ive got the blue point stuby in 1/2 use it for caliper bolts all the time and and other places the bigger impacts don't fit handy for manifold bolts to even taken out frame crossmember bolts when I had to drop a fuel tank on a E450
The Snapon will develop more power over time as the air vanes seat in and allow less air to bypass.
This is because they use a resin coating in the vane construction that gives the air motor longevity and durability.
I like that menacing presence of Makita among the air tools.
Snap-on makes a 1/2 drive stubby impact on the website you have to go to the 1/2 section and scroll down to the bottom
Well, once I pay off my current Matco bill, I may look into getting this Matco gun in Orange.
I'll keep my IR stubby that cost $179 and works great for almost any job that isn't crazy tight. My IR Titanium comes out for those jobs.
Did I mention I sold off all my Snap On air and electric tools? ;)
Try the Paoli DP 1050
Really nice gun .
Thanks for your videos they are all amazing .
you should put the CP 7732C compact 1/2" impact in to the mix, great little gun would like to see how it really fairs up against the big brands along side of the rest of the competitors!
I’ve actually heard a lot of real world issues with those new PTP Matco stubby impacts. A lot more so with the direction buttons blowing off
Would love to see Macs Mini tested against this! I'll have to send you one if I can get the address for it's arrival!
Can u test the Mac tools 1/2” mini air impact AWP050M. A buddy of mine has it and that thing blows my mind every time it rips off rusted airbag mounting bolts and shock bolts.
i'm telling the astro pneumatic stubby is the way to go. Even being the smallest, it still can't get anywhere. And it can break loose crank bolts and axle nuts.
Hey ttc these are great videos that i enjoy watching. For another compact air impact wrench battle i would like to see the mac mini impact to see how it stands out to these others.
Ok will do
Funny enough I also had issues with my matco stubby, I ended up trading it in for a PT338 and I’m a lot happier with it
You guys ever consider testing out hose sizes on the dyno? 1/2” vs 3/8 vs 1/4? Obviously all the corresponding fittings.
Thanks for have figure out what was wrong with the impact gun.
Know that something is broken and I don’t know why really bother me. Hahaha
Great video,since you work for astro had you heard of any matco guns comming in for that problem before this video or was this a first?
Astro doesnt make this gun, so they wouldn't be the MAIN repair center for it. But no, all the stubby Matco guns they've seen are for traditional reasons. Some of them needing a tune up for more power, but not like killing itself due to friction like this one.
I guess I'll stick with my Ingersoll 35QMAX compact impact been working good and I pull out the 3/4" 40v makita for the beans I'd be lost without your compassion channel🤘
I’ve had a 3/8 Air Cat impact made in America for about 7 years, it’s a phenomenal impact, I wouldn’t take 2 Snap Ons for it
that viewer that sent you the matco tool better not be scamming you
Seeing as I'm the viewer that sent it in, no scam. Bought it from my local Matco truck at work. Used it maybe 5 times prior to sending it in. The TTC guys were awesome in handling the issue with it and have to give them the upmost appreciation and props on their honesty.
@@josephmarcinkowski6341 good to know boss....no hate, just curiosity...cheers
@@josephmarcinkowski6341 Thanks for loaning us the gun Joe! Sorry it took us so long to put it in a video vs a good competitor!
You should test the sunex SXMC12 and maybe their full size one too. My sxmc12 has pulled crank bolts out my mg725 couldn't and I also have the 3/8 drive Matco of the one in the vid, and the sunex definitely has more beans than that
I have a future video idea. Testing the strength and accuracy of impact torque sticks?
I asked about that like 2-3 weeks ago, they said there's some content involving torque sticks in the works.
I own both my matco stubby has been sent out 3 times for repair I also have a coworker who’s had his sent out 2 twice. The matco definitely has more power but for overall quality and power buy the snap on.
I heard you say "buy the..." and then all I heard was static, so I bought 3 more Astro Nanos.
Pay more for less? No thanks.
I was gonna buy a 1/2 inch from my Matco guy but he told me if I use it too much, I would be sending it in all the time for repairs, so I bought a Mac Tools one instead, hasn't let me down in 6 months of daily use, and I got it for pretty cheap. One of my favorite tools I have in my box.
"Less buggered screws" - I had to listen three times to make sure it wasn't my kiwi as dad narrating
have you tested the Mac compact 1/2" impact wrench? i have one and it seems like its pretty powerful for its size
the mac advertises 635 ft/lbs breakaway
I love mine.
Some of the Matco guys I’ve hear say turn the dial down in reverse and it makes more power somehow, doesn’t make sense but wonder if that can be tested
Possible maybe the dial go to far and go pass the edge of the hole effectively reducing the air flow volume
So it's bad tolerance or sloppy manufacturing
I've got a 9012MT Hazet compact impact laying around in my shop and I've always wondered if Hazet's dubious 1400NM were actually true or not.
Would you be interested in checking it out?
Snap-on air tools are psi whors but since shops regularly run at 150-180 psi it isn't really a problem. Air tools should be designed to run best at shop pressure if they are made for professionals interested of DIYers.
I have an older earthquake 1/2 3/8 and 3/8 ratchet I picked up all 3 for 100 bucks brand new and have been using them ever since with no complaints except the 1/2 doesn’t hold the sockets anymore but I’m to lazy to fix it
I've had the matco stubby for a while now my purchase was $400 but came with a set of stubby sockets and no issues with it
Are you going to test the Mac stubby? I have one I could probably send in.
Got the Matco gun Man the same green that bad boy is truly the best stubby air impact gun for the money only problem is the quality control I had to send mines out as well but that’s probably because I got it when it first came out hopefully they got there tolerances down better because man oh man. Only other problem is that little gun screams in the shop lmao
I've got the ingersal 1/2 air impact it's a beast but I've been debating for a long time getting the stubby compact and have strongly debated earthquake matco or of course snap on
I’d love to see a test with sockets like the Lyles Honda Harmonic Balancer Socket. This socket is proven to break loose the harmonic bolt vs traditional sockets the same size.
If a recall correctly it already did this test and was surprised by the results
It work great on smaller fastener but at this size bolt it doesn't really make a difference
Watch back at the 2min20 sec in the video he show the astro nano wit both the long socket and the shallow socket and it made no difference
@Torque Test Channel. You guys should build (or order) 2 custom rotors. One aluminum and one lead (or iron). Just because 😂. Also, you should drill a whistle into a rotor like the nerf vortex. Make that baby whistle real good haha.
The rotor's end shaft is what drives the hammer case, aluminum and lead would turn into easy cheese very quick! And cast iron would fracture
I had a thought while watching this about the Snap-On tool. I'm wondering if the increase in number of vanes causes an effect that looks similar to a lower displacement engine because the distance between vanes is smaller. That would explain why they went with a larger diameter rotor if true. They would do that to compensate for the lower torque from this design by increasing the diameter at which the torque is applied. Honestly I don't understand what the thought process was from an engineering standpoint on this design because it's clearly starving for air at normal lower pressures. I guess like with a high revving, low displacement engine, you could get the same results with gearing it properly, but the problem with that is that these air tools don't have any gearsets like the cordless tools do. Weird that they did this.
the low-end in the snapon makes it the better tool
like turbo engines, torque overpowers many others with more power
Why was there used different sockets , big one on the matco, low profil on the snap on?
Great video
See pinned post :)
I have a decade old AWP050 compact. Can you break that one and send it back better than ever? I love that thing. 😁
Try the Red Earthquake air impact from Harbor Freight. It puts my old IR to shame
What size compressor do you use it with?
Does the 3/8 socket weigh as much as the 1/2 socket? Wouldn’t that technically make a difference
PT338 is a 3/8" impact. We had 3/8" custom sockets made for this huge bolt, they couldn't make deep. On these two sockets, the difference is less than 5ft-lbs. As socket size decreases the difference % goes up. We have 2 episodes on it. Also at 2:21 you see a 3/8" anvil swapped compact being dyno'd vs its 1/2" anvil using these two different sockets. So that dyno graph shows the difference.
"Accidently"...yeah, we'll go with that! 😂😂
I noticed that burning smell too right out the box. Thought it was just breaking in. Should i ask for a replacement?
Yes
Hey what quick connect coupler are you using on your hose? I have the harbor freight 5 in 1 Safe coupler but I noticed it’s leaking air slightly after 2 weeks of use.
Milton
I had the exact same issue with my matco stubby !
At our shop we run our air at 180 psig. I would like to see how these do at this kind of pressure.
I'm so high watching this it took me half way into the video to realize he was talking about air impacts and not electric ones 🤣🤣
Do you plan to test the m12 fuel 1/4 inch?
No, no 1/4" drive socket going to fit a 38mm bolt :(
Curious why you're using different socket styles between the guns? Seems that would skew the results wouldn't it?