Japanese Castle/Shiro Joint - Joint of the Week (Furniture/Timber Framing)
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This weeks woodworking joint is the Japanese Castle Joint or Shiro Joint. It’s an ultra strong utilitarian joint used in furniture, timber framing, chairs, tables and staircase banister construction. It has been used by some of the best craftsman and furniture makers in the world when you desire an ultra strong joint that can take a lot of weight and abuse on any force plane (down, up and sheer). Let me know in the comments what joint you’d like to see next week. Thanks for watching! Please like, comment and subscribe. Cheers!
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What is up Man Glitter Mafia?!?! I'm starting a new series called "Joint of the Week." Let me know here in the comments what joint you'd like to see next.
whatever joints would fix a table top to the post without screwing through the top
Top jointer 👍👍
Doweling a mitered joint
joint with cannabis
“I suggest your numbers are divisible by 3, it’ll make your life easier”
“I’m gonna shoot for 2x2”
Idk why but I thought that was so funny 😂
I'm thinking of making a garage work bench using this joint for my legs. Seems to be pretty quick and efficient without the use of nails.
I’m thinking the same thing. Don’t even think I’m going to use glue, just let the weight of the top hold this down. Put some sort of small guide pins or something on the aprons to keep it from sliding
I couldn't resist, so I tried making this joint. First time, nearly perfect. Thanks for these tutorials.
If I just saw this joint in a picture, I would think that only "true masters" can make that. The way you put us rookie's minds at ease is wonderful. Now, I feel I can attempt this with confidence. Also, I saw how you used a low-angle plane to clean out wide joints, that's a great idea. Always looking forward to your new lessons. Thank you!
incredible joint. Incredibly well put together.
Watching this video solved so many design challenges for me.
Thanks!
Great tutorial! I've used the joint several times in making tables for some of my power tools. I've also heard it called a double saddle joint. Keep up the good work.
I love that you’re doing quick videos on each joint and, intentional or otherwise, using different color wood to show how it comes together. Especially for this joint, but desired in your other vids too, can you show pieces that use this? The best I could see this joint for is using it as a base for a small end table.....
Joint of the week is Killer, have gone through the entire run. I will be joining soon.
When he says to chamfer the inside edges that won't be seen, making the joint go together as easy as possible, this is maybe the most important part of this process. Once glue is on, everything is a tad more difficult to get together, not to mention the fact that there is now a strict time limit on the assembly! Dry fitting your joinery before actual gluing takes place is incredibly important!!!! Anything and everything you can do to be 100% ready for the glue up is recommended highly! If you keep in mind a handful of things like that, your work will be easy and closer to perfect every time no matter what you build. Personally I like to make full size layout drawings of most things I make, it makes for good reference and helps immensely with finding the parts of design/construction that you might not have thought of until half way through building and now it's too late!! I know others who make complete models of the project, some to smaller scale and some at full size. They make cool reminders of your pieces from the past as well!!! Never stop building beauty!!!
fifty some odd years in efforts of finesse, and still learning fine works, thanks kind sir, for sharing what you know!
..yes "old Dogs" likened to this crafter can learn new tricks! Awesome joinery! Good presentation also! yes i did also sub!
I took on a challenge last year, a wall unit that was part closet, and part bookcase for a gentleman in Charleston SC, so where the transition from 16" bookcase, to 25" closet space, (so the client could call the room in this 175 year old mansion, a bedroom, but used as his study, hence bookcases, one closet setup with file drawers and standard clothes drawers, used for office supplies), Hey whatever the client wants! ..Anyway, I did a transition cabinet at a 9.5* radius, and did raised panels doors to boot! Crown molding and all the facing included! A sweet new router jig that swings 47* front to back, and 47* back to front, for 94 degrees total range, for the two bit set that Freud makes for 5.75" crown .. then a radiused clamping jig for the panel works.. what a awesome fun project, getting paid for such fun should almost be illegal, but sure am glad it's not!.. I'll write you a email, so you can see the finished product and if I receive your email, I'll send the photos of the various jigs it took! Glad to share as you do, I just don't have the time to do youtube vids... everybody wants some!.... me too! lol Thanks again brother!
LOVIT !
Awesome Joint and Thx’s for Sharing !
You got it Vince!
Well, I’m still working through your vast video catalogue and came across this. It’s both incredibly detailed and beautiful at the same time. Very nice and the end piece was fantastic. I’d really like to see this used in furniture, it’s stunning!
As always, another great video showing some elaborate joints. Also, I don’t have a table saw, so it would have to be done completely by hand; I can see the massacre now.
Such a beautiful joint. Definitely going to use it (as often as I can). Thanks for sharing.
Great video. Good looking joint.
Me watching the fully assembled piece: "Please, PLEASE put some finish on that. I bet it would look awesome."
JK-M one second later: "Alright, so I've gone ahead and thrown some lacquer on this..."
🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏
Hello! Watched this video at least 10 times as I was trying to cut this joint by hand... went well! Thanks for the tips
Que tipo de serra usou para cortar as peças?
@@aeonyoda Usei uma serra Japonesa, fiz uma pagina com o processo:
www.instructables.com/Wood-Cake-Stand-Hand-cut-Japanese-Joinery/
I realy wanna build a trestle table with these joints. No glue, no screws. Just massively strong joints.
Damn dude, that cross cut sled is bigger than my shop!
Love this one. Looks awesome!
Awesome!
Love the joint. I plan to use this for some outdoor furniture. Can't wait to get started. Thanks for the tutorial.
Just finished my outdoor chair with this joint. Turned out great. Very strong joint when it’s all together. Thx
This is a perfect joint for a hat/coat rack my wife wants me to build.
Nice fish sign
"Layout is absolutely key" is true of almost all Japanese joinery.
Precision is key as well, since Japanese joinery rarely uses glue.
Super clean work, man! I don't incorporate much intricate joinery in my work, but I am always impressed by stuff like this!
Thanks bud! It would be a killer joint for a cantilevered chair or table
beautiful joint💯
thank you Jonathan interesting joint
Very nice conception and execution...Thank you
Thanks Jett! Awesome woodworking name btw
Great stuff. I love that type of joinery. Some of them are so complex but stong
Yeah I bet you could hang a vespa on this guy. This was fun to shoot and make
Awesome series!!
Thanks for all your effort 👍👍
One of my favorite joints. I'm making a kitchen stool that uses a watered down version. I really like the idea of a joint of the week series. Nice work, as always!
Thanks so much Colin!
Love it! Great tutorial, and awesome series idea. As someone who’s been woodworking for awhile but nothing finer furniture I’m excited to learn more about the different types of joints used
Thanks bud! I'm really excited for the series
Sooooo thats tomorrows project, sooo cool. Thanks
Wow! What an amazing video! Respect!
Simply awesome; thanks for the great tutorial. Your enthusiasm is inspiring.
This would be the perfect joint for a coat hanging rack
This video would have been good to find before I figured this out from scratch by looking at a picture to use in the 8 corner joints for the carving bench that I made out of 4x4 lumber. :) Good explanation and really good job on the precision as always.
You did a great job explaining how to make this joint.
Thank you WB!
Nice job and great explanation on making this joint! I did this once years ago, and it did not come out this nice. As you emphasized, layout is everything on a joint like this. Great job Jonathon!
Layout is key! Thanks guy!
Nice one!
I've been tinkering with a computer desk chair design on and off for a while. I think I might have to incorporate that in there!
It's certainly strong enough and fun to do!
Love it!
Thanks Nick
That turned out great, what a fantastic looking joint, top job as always 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks G-Money!
I love watching your videos man. Probably coolest woodworker on youtube to watch. Awesome work
Dude your awesome
Been waiting for this since I saw it on your Instagram to see how it works cant wait to try it out
Thanks my friend!
Love it.... You're a Rock Star :)
Thanks Harvey!
Makes very sturdy bed frame corners
Going down the JOW rabbit hole; just found the series and dammit it's awesome! Thanks for this.
My pleasure bud!
Looks good Jonathan
Thanks Joe!
Sweet Tetris Joint!
Hahahaha
first time here EXCELLENT. You had my attention the whole time.
Welcome my friend!
Great video man! I would like that my gps voice sound like yours haha!
great vid, subbed!
Thanks Pigeon!
I wish I did all this on the table saw!
I'll have to remember this when i get just little better.OK lot better thanks.
Nice joint. I always love seeing how to make these kinds of joints. I've never USED one (yet), but might find an excuse to i the future.
As you said, "keep it in your wallet".
❤ it 👍
Another good one! Super interesting. I have only ever cut half laps and a couple loose tenons so far. I'm be interested in about any type of joint, just soaking up the knowledge.
Thanks my friend!
That will be ridiculously strong & looks dead sexy to boot👍. Thanks for all the great content. Found myself hunting for an apron & wanted one with the square holster you've got. After searching amazon I checked out your site. You should advertise that along with the dovetail jig. Reasonably priced and I bet there are more like me who just don't know you sell them😉
It's a beautiful joint and I'm sure it's as strong as the wood used but I'm trying to figure out where I would ever use it. Maybe a cross brace on a country style x-brace table.
Excellent suggestion to choose sizes divisible by three. It's definitely the best way to go.
However, If you can't avoid using a fixed length that Isn't, there is an easy trick to divide it by three (or any number really), provided the dimension perpendicular to the one you are dividing is a good third or more of the latter (it can work with less but that's mostly what I find works most of the time, the third rule is arbitrary not mathematical) (or you can simply do the division at another face of the board, you'll work it out someway)
--Take a ruler and place it along the dimension you want to divide. Identify the next length value on the ruler that IS divisible by three. For example if your length if 5 and 1/2 inches choose 6 inches.
rotate the ruler so that the 0 mark and the 6inch mark correspond to start and end of your length respectively (ruler will no longer be parallel to the target dimension, that's ok). now along the line of the ruler mark at one third (2inches) and two thirds (4inches) length (adjust if dividing by some other number). remove the ruler and using a square edge draw lines perpendicular to the working length at the marks you made.
you now have divided your length in thirds :P--
If you need to do it a lot for the same project, I'd suggest you mark a piece of cutoff with the target length and use it as a guide for all the divisions.
The process can even be done using just a square edge, a piece of flat wood and a compass without ever measuring anything, but its more complicated and I don't think it's worth going into that.
I hope all this made sense. I'm not very good at describing things in text.
I have seen this method just recently and was able to visualize it as I read it. It works, but as with any layout, it depends on the accuracy of the tool you are using and the accuracy of the tool using it.
Sunrise dovetails next, please!
That's definitely on my list
Beautifuill Woody working...Fortaleza -Ceará Brasil..
Bed frame, no glues.
Just for fun I think a V groove in the conners to show the contrast wood as lines would look cool, also a real brain twist both glue up's add a thin strip of the contrasting wood down the centers so even the beams look like they are castle joints. As well as the legs.
nice
You should attempt a Cove Dovetail Pin Joint
Awesome job. Nice table slide. Great instructional guidance. Pointers on accuracy! Hand planes put on bench with blade out the bottom, OUCH! After all that meticulous sharpening?!? Lay em over, on dems side pls.
Easier than it looks, thanks!
You got it bud!
Good show Jonathan.
Fun to watch and learn about these complicated and beautiful joinery with your down to earth attitude.
Thank you for sharing.
Also, are you related to Jimmy Kimmel?
כל הכבוד רעיון מצויין.
Do it by hand!
Dude, you rock the joint!
(Note to self: I subscribed at 5K subscriber, so, let's check this next year... :) )
Hahaha thanks Oscar. I think I blew it by not calling it a cross joint. Thanks for watching bud!
Sure, then let's call it a cross joint! ;)
Awesome video man, thanks for sharing. Keep it rocking...
Thanks Oscar!
You should set up a Matthias Wandel type of jig to test the strength of that joint. Of course, you're not testing pocket screws, so you may need something a little bit stronger than a bathroom scale lol
One thing for those of us who are listening through headphones. Maybe make sure that the music doesn't play at a higher volume than your voice. I have to turn the volume up pretty loud to hear you clearly and then the music pops up crazy loud. Other than that another great video
Yeah we're working on that. It's funny because on my phone and computer they play at the same level. I've heard that constructive criticism a couple times and were working on it
On listening on headphones right now and it seems like everything is the same level. I think you've commented this before. Is there any differences you can think of in your setup that isn't normal?
@@katzmosestools yeah the intro it was fine. I think the cut around the 4:15 mark is when I really noticed it, and actually I think you're right. The volume is the same, I think it just might be the music itself coming on so strong just makes it feel louder than it is. PS don't change the music tones because they're great. Maybe play around with having them in the background really soft while you're leading up to the cut montages? Either that or I'll just get over it cuz I'm definitely not unsubbing lol
I experienced it also, both with headphones and just playing on my kindle. still a great video.
the music that starts at 1:14 sounds like Justin Johnson......nice work!!
Love my blues!
You would be silly NOT to.....Love yur channel BTW!!
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Neat! So super dump question. Those dovetails fit so tight. Can you show getting all four sides together?
I do that in several videos
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(I) Enjoyed the video! To answer your question, I’d enjoy seeing any joint that would be used in the making of a higher grade of furniture. Any dovetail that would be used to (for example) separate drawers, sliding dovetail for the side supports for drawers, joints for joining pieces at 90deg.(not simple rabbits), bow ties, thru mortice (decorative) etc. Thanks!
Great ideas Tom. I will definitely incorporate.
I love these videos!
What inexpensive woods do you recommend to practice joints you make?
Any free wood you'll find around may be cheap enough, in my opinion.
If you have to buy some try to ise Douglas fir or Southern Yellow Pine (SYP)
I loved this video. Your attention to markup and precision is super helpful. More than that, the fact that you explain HOW to do it is key. That looked like squeeze out during glue up, I always end up with intense sanding even if I use wet paper towels. It seems like wet towels dilute and leave thinned out glue that’s tough to sand off. Thoughts on this?
I dont agree. If you clean glue early it just takes minimal sanding. Thanks for watching and your kind words brother
Katz-Moses Woodworking Shop Thanks for your thoughts on squeeze out. I must be doing something wrong. I’ll keep working it.
@@gregsmith3406 make sure you get most of it with a putty knife first then wipe when you lifted the bulk off. My pleasure
Hey K-M, that is really a sweet piece of work! Looks like the word of the day is “precision,” eh? I’m wondering if a dado blade would have made it easier?
Certainly would have but there's no way it would have reached that high. Thank you!
Looks good TH-cam might not like you having a show called joint of the week. Since you are the pope of the dovetail try the sunrise dovetail next
Hahahaha that's why I don't have commercials on my videos. I think Sunrise dovetails are next on my list for sure!
Great video! Can this joint be use in a dining table with mitered/angled legs at an angle (10 or 15 or other angle)?
If table legs are mitered/angled, would that decrease the strength ?
Does this joint need glue or can I just leave as is so that I can knock it down when needed to move it?
Thanks. I appreciate your help on this project.
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Love you video’s, learned a lot watching you, Thanks!! I see the walnut slabs for sale in the drop down section but redirect say’s available thru 8/9. Do you still everything that has pictures on web page
I do have everything! Thank you!
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Duh I figured it out LOL thanks
Where’s the button to thumbs up three times???
Hey man I know you posted this a while ago, but I have a question. I’ve read a lot on this joint because of how beautiful it is, and some people have said it can cause the leg or “castle” piece to split if you are using in on furniture with high weight loads. Do you see this as an issue? Just wondering, thinking about using it as legs for a bed.
So I am planning a new bird feeding station for my back yard to hold several feeders.
I want a 4x4 post, anchored into the ground with a cross with a castle joint off the top. Do you have any recommendations on how to handle large stock say a 6' piece while doing a castle joint?
Is this a joint I could use on a corner? I really like the look and thought maybe I could use it to attach table legs to a table.
Absolutely. You could have both pieces extend out about an inch and put a decorative heavy chambfer on the ends for added style points
Hey J! If I were to attempt this for a larger structure (a wedding/garden arbor) would you recommend the same approach though the pieces of lumber would be much larger and heavier? Just trying to brainstorm the safest, most effective way to do so with success. It would require 4 castle joints at each corner.
This joint is used in timber farming regularly.
I totally get that with that huge sled you no longer need a fitness club membership, but get an Incra 5000 or something, to keep from causing pain to us watching you!
Can you make an outside corner with this type of joint?
"Be careful guys don't cut your fingers off."
Look, don't tell me how to live my life!
aged damn well for him didnt it
Wouldn't the opposite of "proud" be "shy" of the other surface? Just seems like a natural.
Hey, how do you deal with glue residue on endgrain? You did get a lot of glue squeezing out of the joint. I'm just beginning, but everytime I had glue on endgrain, it got soaked in too deep to sand off.
Blue tape around your joints, wipe off with wet rag and then remove blue tape before anything dries. Also use less glue
I would add if you chop your finger off try not to bleed on the wood ! Lol cool joint !
Great advice hahahaha
Did you make that woodworking apron or is it commercially available?
I did a video on it around February or March. Link in the description. It works great!
Thanks! I found the video and watched it and it gave me some good ideas.
Great video, you describe and make it look easy enough that the average woodworker can get it done. Looking forward to the new series. You do great work in your teaching. Going to share the series with my woodworking group, NCWoodworkers.net
I really appreciate it! Cheers!