Oh, also one thing I saw was there is now a WP cartridge kit for the new closed cartridge Xact forks. Basically converts them to cone valve forks for $1500-$1750 bucks. It’s called XPLOR PRO 7500 Cartridge kit
@@PNWEnduroyou have it backwards . It’s the EX that has closed cartridge forks and premix . As well as the ktm xc . The xcw and Ec are the ones that use open cartridge and oil injection.
@sawyermierau I think you'll be very happy with either of those. 300 will be easier to ride in the hard stuff the low is fantastic. I put a 9oz clutch weight on the 300 and it works well.
I am looking at this and the ex model today. My dream is a ec300 but the shop is having me lean towards rhe ex being it has the closed cartridge forks and is basically the exact same bike as the ec but with better suspension. What is your opinion? I just do woods riding and single track
That powerparts version w/ the black wheels is the best looking bike KTM makes. It's just too bad that with black wheels and CC forks it'll cost as much or more than a stock KTM.
they are really blowing it with the silver wheels. I can deal with the bracketec brakes and lower quality forks since the 6500 kit is still better than the new forks but ya gotta upgrade the wheels or spray paint em BBQ black like my van wheels
I ride a 2021 ec300 tpi Hated the bike... No grunt on bottom Over heat issue Too soft suspension Mx tech suspension Get ECU High compression head More flywheel weight Converted to TBI Now the bike is a handful ! The gas gas is a good platform if you don't mind tuning.
I just filmed a review of it yesterday I need to put up. I did film a bunch of build videos a long time ago that I never put up but I'll try to at least get the sherco one up soon
I would get the EX. Why would you want oil injection, Xplor forks and a detuned motor? To me the only advantage to the EC/XC-W/TE is the higher output stator and softer suspension valving.
I had been going back and forth and really that could be a whole other video to be honest.. I think I would have to test the XC/EX with the TSP flash vs XCW to see if that makes the bike preform better. Right now the XC is just to much like a motocross bike for hard enduro, it would probably be a super fun single track bike but thats not my primary riding. Higher stator output, heavier flywheel and different gearing are also advantages besides the motor being better tuned for hard enduro
I never considered buying a Gasgas until I found out they are made by KTM factory. I’m reading a lot of good reports on the EC 300. The only downfall is that the 2024 models do not come with a map switch and the mufflers are not USFS approved. Hopefully on the 2025 models at least the muffler will be USFS approved.
I’m bummed the 2024 EC models aren’t coming with the new forks. My GasGas dealer said it was to keep costs down, but I think it was probably because they wanted to use up existing Xplor fork stock. In the end, by the time I would do something with the forks, it wouldn’t keep the cost down all added up.
It is really cheap to tune xplor, just spend 150-200$ for stock parts, make two legs works fully (comp/rebound), settings (shims stack) you can find in ktmforum, and enjoy your bike)
Take that bike and purchase black wheels, install tubliss (put mousse on silver wheels for smash rides) convert to Brembo brake in the front, 6500 upgraded forks with a Factory fatty w/stock muffler = total sweetness!!! and tempting... Love your products Trailbound!!!
I’ve ridden numerous 2024 TBI’s and the bottom ends felt very weak and blubbery. All XC models. Not sure what all the hype was on TBI being so good. Hoping the XCW models run better off idle. Mid range and top end are phenomenal though.
In my opinion, it is really good that they leave old xplor, just think how many people bought some tuning as 6500, reaven, dalsoggio and so on. I am one of those who already have a good close cartridge, and I checked that new xact cartridge and talked to tuning masters about them, they said the quality is really bad, so if you already have some tuning you still gonna want to use old pro components. So for me, it is really good, I have the set of spheres, so my next bike surely will be Gas, I had it before, it was best for me, now I have husky but missing my ec300 ) So I'm happy to be able to put my cc to new bike)
I would prefer the Xplor fork. I have an EX450F, FE501S, 500XCFW, 450XCFW, TE250i. That's everything KTM has offered: linkages with different tunes, PDS, open-chamber fork, closed-cartridge air. I find that Xplor and PDS are the best for me. Now you can't get that combo. Either the stiff CC with PDS or the soft Xplor but with the link. The new EC is probably close to my TE250i. I hope I'm wrong about the CC fork. But I doubt there is any magic - CC has more friction, it can't be as soft as an OC.
My 6500 CC kit is way smoother and softer than the xplor ever was. But yeah stock xplor are valved pretty soft the new xact fork felt great to me and could easily valave it a little softer
The EX gets the CC forks. It'll be the KTM frame (but ktm gets a diff new one next year), but having cast triples on the gasser means it might flex a little more plus linkage will take some of the hit out. I was also wondering how to access the seat bolt. I'm guessing you have to take the plastic cover off.
I bet if I rode this bike I would think the suspension is ultra fantastic. It's funny hearing someone complain about a newer bike's suspension. Either you are a pro rider or really picky.
The fuel tank is very functional but some might consider that unattractive especially since it covers the engine. Dirt bikes are great to look at it as well as ride
Be happy you have oil injection. The oil injection systems simply do not fail, for one. 2: snowmobiles have had oil injection for 40+ years at this point. They're 2 strokes. They get ridden at 75% throttle or higher for 99% of the time they're ridden, and they last well over 4,000 miles without ever needing a rebuild. Why? Oil injection. The correct amount of oil is being injected right where it needs to be for proper lubrication. You dirt bike guys gotta get over this weird mental hump of "oil injection bad". Oil injection is going to take you from rebuilding your top end once or even twice a season, to once every 3-5 years.
Got a 2024 ktm 300w worst motorcycle I have even ridden. Has 11hrs on it. It is an ok trail bike or as they say down under It’s a farm bike. It’s a ttr 125 with torque. Far from a race bike good thing I didn’t sell my 450.
Oh, also one thing I saw was there is now a WP cartridge kit for the new closed cartridge Xact forks. Basically converts them to cone valve forks for $1500-$1750 bucks. It’s called XPLOR PRO 7500 Cartridge kit
On the TBI bikes, it's fairly easy to delete the OI and run premix. I'd pick the KTM over the GG for the new forks and brembo brakes.
Tbi doesn't have oil injection
@@andrewpereira1117 Yes, they do. Depends on the model. 2024 KTM XCW and Gas Gas EX are oil injected. The XC and EC models are pre-mix.
The EX model comes with CC forks, so it's a pretty cheap way into a 300xc for people who don't mind the brakes.
@@andrewpereira1117 ... the XC-W TBI has oil injection.
@@PNWEnduroyou have it backwards . It’s the EX that has closed cartridge forks and premix . As well as the ktm xc . The xcw and Ec are the ones that use open cartridge and oil injection.
the seat bolt is under the side panel near the rear of the seat, as opposed to the husky and ktm having it up front.
Can confirm the new 2024 XCW forks are extremely good - I think they are every bit as good as KYB forks on Sherco etc.
Kyb forks on the sherco feel terrible with the stock valaving. The new xact forks felt really good stock to me but I don’t have a lot of time on them
170 hrs on my 2022 ec300. with these forks confirmed ill go ahead and upgrade my fork internals and swap the forks over when i can pick up a 2024
How has it been I might get one. Does it have manageable power
@sawyermierau fantastic bike. Good for my lvl no complaints on power. 191 hrs on it now. But I just picked up a 22 sherco 300 factory to replace it.
@@kieranlinsdell9595 ok I’m thinking about an ec250 or 300 coming off of a 24 ex250f so I was wondering if it would be a good fit for me.
@sawyermierau I think you'll be very happy with either of those. 300 will be easier to ride in the hard stuff the low is fantastic. I put a 9oz clutch weight on the 300 and it works well.
@@kieranlinsdell9595 sounds good man
I have a ‘24 xc. The frame is fine. I don’t know what ppl are talking about. Bike feels awesome. Ppl need to sack up
Biggest problem with the GasGas is resell. The difference in price on a used GasGas vs KTM is much more than the price difference when they are new.
Crazy nice build quality
I am looking at this and the ex model today. My dream is a ec300 but the shop is having me lean towards rhe ex being it has the closed cartridge forks and is basically the exact same bike as the ec but with better suspension. What is your opinion? I just do woods riding and single track
You ever think about trying the Husky te300? They made some big changes for the 24 model
That powerparts version w/ the black wheels is the best looking bike KTM makes. It's just too bad that with black wheels and CC forks it'll cost as much or more than a stock KTM.
they are really blowing it with the silver wheels. I can deal with the bracketec brakes and lower quality forks since the 6500 kit is still better than the new forks but ya gotta upgrade the wheels or spray paint em BBQ black like my van wheels
@@TrailBoundco yep really deal breaker is this silver wheels.
What do you think of the new EC300, would you go KTM instead?
I ride a 2021 ec300 tpi
Hated the bike...
No grunt on bottom
Over heat issue
Too soft suspension
Mx tech suspension
Get ECU
High compression head
More flywheel weight
Converted to TBI
Now the bike is a handful !
The gas gas is a good platform if you don't mind tuning.
Off topic, but whatever happened to your Sherco that you seemed not to really jive with?
I just filmed a review of it yesterday I need to put up. I did film a bunch of build videos a long time ago that I never put up but I'll try to at least get the sherco one up soon
I would get the EX. Why would you want oil injection, Xplor forks and a detuned motor? To me the only advantage to the EC/XC-W/TE is the higher output stator and softer suspension valving.
I had been going back and forth and really that could be a whole other video to be honest.. I think I would have to test the XC/EX with the TSP flash vs XCW to see if that makes the bike preform better. Right now the XC is just to much like a motocross bike for hard enduro, it would probably be a super fun single track bike but thats not my primary riding. Higher stator output, heavier flywheel and different gearing are also advantages besides the motor being better tuned for hard enduro
Excellent !. I take one of each with all the trimmings. A feast of motocross. Yummy 😋
I never considered buying a Gasgas until I found out they are made by KTM factory. I’m reading a lot of good reports on the EC 300. The only downfall is that the 2024 models do not come with a map switch and the mufflers are not USFS approved. Hopefully on the 2025 models at least the muffler will be USFS approved.
I’ve never seen a 2 stroke come with a spark arrestor. We always put the 2.1 turbine core on the bikes right away
I’m bummed the 2024 EC models aren’t coming with the new forks. My GasGas dealer said it was to keep costs down, but I think it was probably because they wanted to use up existing Xplor fork stock. In the end, by the time I would do something with the forks, it wouldn’t keep the cost down all added up.
It is really cheap to tune xplor, just spend 150-200$ for stock parts, make two legs works fully (comp/rebound), settings (shims stack) you can find in ktmforum, and enjoy your bike)
Same... I'll be getting a KTM
Take that bike and purchase black wheels, install tubliss (put mousse on silver wheels for smash rides) convert to Brembo brake in the front, 6500 upgraded forks with a Factory fatty w/stock muffler = total sweetness!!! and tempting... Love your products Trailbound!!!
The 24 Gas Gas has an open cartridge WP XPLOR fork not the XACT like on husquvarn and KTM.
Yeah that is the downside but the 6500 kit is better than the new xact fork so it would be a good upgrade
I’ve ridden numerous 2024 TBI’s and the bottom ends felt very weak and blubbery. All XC models. Not sure what all the hype was on TBI being so good. Hoping the XCW models run better off idle. Mid range and top end are phenomenal though.
Coming from you I will take special note of that!
In my opinion, it is really good that they leave old xplor, just think how many people bought some tuning as 6500, reaven, dalsoggio and so on. I am one of those who already have a good close cartridge, and I checked that new xact cartridge and talked to tuning masters about them, they said the quality is really bad, so if you already have some tuning you still gonna want to use old pro components. So for me, it is really good, I have the set of spheres, so my next bike surely will be Gas, I had it before, it was best for me, now I have husky but missing my ec300 ) So I'm happy to be able to put my cc to new bike)
Are these bikes dual sport as well it’s mc moto ec is equivalent of what ktm
Here's what I want, Kickstarter, tbi, no linkage, big stator premix I can fix the rest.
I would prefer the Xplor fork. I have an EX450F, FE501S, 500XCFW, 450XCFW, TE250i. That's everything KTM has offered: linkages with different tunes, PDS, open-chamber fork, closed-cartridge air. I find that Xplor and PDS are the best for me. Now you can't get that combo. Either the stiff CC with PDS or the soft Xplor but with the link. The new EC is probably close to my TE250i. I hope I'm wrong about the CC fork. But I doubt there is any magic - CC has more friction, it can't be as soft as an OC.
My 6500 CC kit is way smoother and softer than the xplor ever was. But yeah stock xplor are valved pretty soft the new xact fork felt great to me and could easily valave it a little softer
welp the subframe really got into me of getting this one. i dont mind spending wheel set for this one.
The EX gets the CC forks. It'll be the KTM frame (but ktm gets a diff new one next year), but having cast triples on the gasser means it might flex a little more plus linkage will take some of the hit out. I was also wondering how to access the seat bolt. I'm guessing you have to take the plastic cover off.
My 2022 Gas Gas EC 300 is holding me back.
Ha why
Compared to a beta?
I bet if I rode this bike I would think the suspension is ultra fantastic. It's funny hearing someone complain about a newer bike's suspension. Either you are a pro rider or really picky.
Oh, My only complaint would be the name"GasGas" It's probably a really nice bike.
The fuel tank is very functional but some might consider that unattractive especially since it covers the engine. Dirt bikes are great to look at it as well as ride
Best and old TBI is a TM 300 en fi ;)
Well spotted cant tell the fuel level. Deal breaker for me.
Looks goofier than last year
Be happy you have oil injection. The oil injection systems simply do not fail, for one.
2: snowmobiles have had oil injection for 40+ years at this point. They're 2 strokes. They get ridden at 75% throttle or higher for 99% of the time they're ridden, and they last well over 4,000 miles without ever needing a rebuild. Why? Oil injection. The correct amount of oil is being injected right where it needs to be for proper lubrication.
You dirt bike guys gotta get over this weird mental hump of "oil injection bad". Oil injection is going to take you from rebuilding your top end once or even twice a season, to once every 3-5 years.
Got a 2024 ktm 300w worst motorcycle I have even ridden. Has 11hrs on it. It is an ok trail bike or as they say down under It’s a farm bike. It’s a ttr 125 with torque. Far from a race bike good thing I didn’t sell my 450.
The tbi? Why ?
I think you got a dud. Just road my gfs 24 xcw and it felt pretty amazing