I’d much rather have a vintage 2WD tractor than these technological marvels they have now that aren’t half the tractor. The important thing for anyone who might be interested in one is whether or not they are mechanically inclined and if parts are available. If the answer is “yes” to both, it is a wise investment.
Mark these old things just keep on going and I never fear a major breakdown with them. I’d love to have a 2 wheel Massey Ferguson 270 or 285. I think that would be the perfect tractor for my disc mower and baler. Mikes brother ED moved a full size single wide house trailer once with Mikes 270 Massey. It blew my mind! Thanks for watching!
Yessir, you can't beat the old ones!!! I've grown up around the blue ones myself & am kinda partial to them I guess since that's all I own now!! I've never had a major breakdown on either of the Ford 2000 gas or the 3000 diesel, other than starter, or generator, or voltage regulator & breaks, that's it!! Their like the Energizer bunny, they just keep on going and going and going!! Lol
We still use our 1966 MF 135 we bought new, started driving it when I was six years old still driving it today. That reminds me I gotta go get a battery for it have a great day Ben!
So many people have experiences and memories of a 135, I always thought I was the only one. I love hearing these stories from other people! Thanks for watching!
I've seen 2WD tractors do things I'm not comfortable doing on mine. An experienced operator can do tons of work with a 2wd. The big fault is when you have rough or muddy terrain and want to use a loader to move things. Also, pulling a stump (uphill) that big that's digging in and snagging trees is a lot to ask for any tractor the size/weight of the 135. Outside of that, keep proving the "experts" wrong, Ben! Good work!
If you watch your approach using a 2 wheel drive you can do pretty good. A 2 wheel drive loader tractor is definitely another story. As for most everyday uses I prefer these 40-50 hp 2 wheel drives. Take care Logan!
A tractor built from the 70’s to the mid 90’s are just straight up good dependable machines. Buying these old tractors is better then money in the bank. Thanks for watching!
People here in the west of Ireland, still use TEF20s, 35s and 135s to run their farms. Parts are readily available, they sip fuel and they were good enough for our parents and grandparents. I have a 1954 Ferguson 20. Just had some work done on it and absolutely love it. I only have a very small property, but i wouldn't be without it. I love them.
I have a 1974 135 it’s my second tractor I run a 7 foot finish mower on it most of the summer. Their an amazing little tractor for pto power plus just fun to run
They never run out of power! I’ve pulled a square baler a lot with mine even on some steep places, it always keeps the rpm’s maintained. Thanks for watching!
Great video,Ben.The 135 done a good job moving the stump,I believe that if the limbs had been trimmed it would have been a little easier moving it.The hill was steep enough for any tractor to have trouble pulling anything to the top.The Massey 135 is a great old tractor,many people are looking for this tractor to restore.Really enjoyed the video.Have a blessed weekend and be SAFE.🚜💯👍👏❤️🙏
I think with a boom pole and some front weight I could eventually got the stump moved with the 135. I’d like to have tried it with my Farmtrac 60. A 135 makes a nice antique but still a very useful and productive tractor too! Appreciate you watching!
Those are good tractors. Those older tractors will still be going after these new light weight 4 wd utlity tractors have laid down. We never even thought about needing a 4 wd tractor back in my days.
They both have their strengths, the biggest advantage to these old 2 wheels drives is affordability. I’ll be going more in depth on this subject coming up. Thanks for watching!
We have a 1968 MF 135 4 cylinder gas rear tires filled certainly a great size , 3 speed with high and low transmission really a good pulling two wheel drive tractor
@@hattcreekfarm I really appreciate that. It’s been so windy I can really video much right now and have any sound quality. Hopefully I’ll get back in the swing of things soon.
You just have to watch about getting into a place where you can’t backup. When it comes to plowing and hay work those 2 wheel drives shine! Thanks for watching!
Awesome video,but what some don’t understand is is the weight to HorsePower with gearing, we used to do more and put in places with 35 to 50 horsepowert tractors or even smaller horsepower tractors then the tractors of today, because todays tractors, you need 60 to 80 horsepower in fore wheel drive to do the same thing, and knowing how to operate a tractor too plays a big part, knowledge goes along ways in my opinion. You take your 245 you might have been able to make farther but with a pulley and or sawing off the roots you most likely would have made it all the way
I think with my Farmtrac and the rear grapple I could pulled the stump all the way. These tractors just seem to have much better torque then what’s built today. I’ve never tackled a job with the 135 where hp was an issue. Thanks for watching!
My grandfather had a 200 acre farm. He owned many tractors. One of them was four wheel drive. Most didn't even have power steering. If a two wheel drive tractor can't do it, a four wheel drive probably shouldn't. You'll just make it harder on yourself later.
I have ran tractors from the time I was a kid. I started out on a Ford 2n and a Ferguson TO20. I have driven tractors as small as a sub compact clean up to an articulated tractor. We have owned a Ford 4000, Ford 6000, Ford 2N, Ferguson TO20, MF 165, MF 255, New Holland TN70, JD 2155, JD 5055E. For the subcompact size it is tough to beat 4wd since they are so light weight. When you get into a utility tractor, I think 2wd is just fine. Only time I think 4wd is handy to have on this size is on hills and when operating a bucket loader. Over 100 hp I think fwa or articulated is the way to go especially if doing heavy tillage work. I love the small old Ford and MF tractors. They have very little plastic anywhere on them, they are built fairly heavy, parts a pretty easy to get, not to expensive to buy, and they rarely break down. I prefer old tractors over the new ones. The new ones are nice as far as creature comforts but in my opinion that is about it. I have been watching a few of your videos and have enjoyed them. I love tractors and chainsaws. I run mostly Stihl and Husqvarna equipment. We still have a 1973 MF 165 Diesel square axle with the AD4-203 Perkins still on the farm. I think that tractor for its time was one of the sharpest looking tractors in that size. I wish I would have never sold my MF 255 and Ford 4000 Diesel.
I have 2 massey Ferguson 135s one a perkins 3 cylinder gas and the other is a perkins diesel. I have been juice in both and suitcase weights on the front and I absolutely love them. I have a 2 bottom plow and I can plow circles around my neighbor with a 40 something horse new holland and his is new. The things is gear driven tractors put more power to the ground than hydrostatic and i think they weight alot more if the bucket is off the new ones by at least 400lbs or more. My diesel definitely out performs my gas but i love them both. But I'd like a brand new massey though if its gear driven and with bucket I own a lawn care business and I do alot of cutting trees and brush hogging and the new ones are alot easier on ya mowing for 6 to 8 hrs. I dont use my gas cause it's like sitting in front of a furnace compared to the diesel. But I've made my money back 10 fold on with both of those tractors. Both of them were county tractors the guy I bought them from bought at auction he went through and overhauled both engines new clutches and rear tires. Had receipts dated 2 months before I purchased them and the tractors weren't even broke in yet. I bought both for 9500$. One thing about the old ones weekend warriors didn't buy tractors when the 135 was being new and so everyone had an owners manual that walked you through on how to fix anything on it if you had the tools and the want to fix them. I'm looking to buy a massey 245 soon I'm glad I found your channel cause you have a great mind set on tractors they do not make them like they use too thats for sure plus it's hard to remedy tractor fever. It just stinks cause here in Michigan massey stuff is a little harder to come by but if you have an 8n ford where I live every other house has one. But great channel and episode
I have a 1967 MF165 and we use to have a Ferguson 2085, may times i have gotten them stuck is soft spots pulling a disc or over loaded trailer. Now that i am way older and not wanting to shovel the tractor out I learned that when my tires are slipping to disconnect what i am pulling and get to firm ground, hook up a chain and pull the disc or trailer out. In this case here with the stump I have learned to put as much weight of the stump or log on the back tires, like the tractor carrying it. It appears his stump is full of soil, if you don't have a 4wd tractor I would spend some time with a pick and shovel getting the stump weight down. I have found that stopping and using a little science may help. Nice video really enjoyed it.
Thank you buddy! I’ve had a lot more seat time on 2 wheel drives then I have a 4 wheel drive tractor. Of course 4 wheel drive is great but financially an old 2 wheel drive might be the best fit at times. Take care!
Hey Ben, You see what I do with my old Massey. The operator makes a big difference too. I see guys on some videos that likely shouldn't even be near a tractor (I'm surprised they haven't been killed) Great job Ben on the 135. As far as I'm concerned the 135 was the best tractor Massey made.
Your tractor is a strong puller! I get a little carried away at times pushing the limits, probably should stop that. The 135 just doesn’t have the front end weight your tractor has. Thanks for watching!
I'm about to drive my massey ferguson 165 for the first time ever. I revived it myself. I've never driven a tractor before. How do I not kill myself? Everyone says they are very dangerous
Good day Sir, nice to see your green grass and Yes antics tractor are priceless in deed 👍👌😉 Outstanding video mon ami and great use of your Kubota 😉👌👍 Cheers 🍻
I never rule old equipment out at all....where I work our old KW's are always running and very rarely fail....the new Macks though or the Freightliner...always having issues.
My diesel tractor is from 1962. Still does what I ask of it, always starts, never goes into limp mode, has plenty of power and easy on fuel. In 60 more years, it will be more likely running and working than than half these modern expensive wonders. I paid $2800 in 2017 for mine. What can you get for ten times that new?
@@khtractors all I've done is replace a water pump and change the fluids. If I ever completely rebuild the engine, it will still be a deal over the new ones. The simplicity and durability old machines is valuable.
I have 3 two wheel rear drive tractors a 92hp, a 64hp and a 39hp. 95 percent of the time I can do what’s needs to be done with 2nd with no problem. Yes there are times and situations where a 4 wheel drive could had done the job, I drove 2 WD tractors for over 50 years now.
Your right, growing up Dad had a 4 wheel drive compact tractor and a neighbor had a 1250 JD 4 wheel drive. Outside of that everyone used 2 wheel drives and accomplished all kinds of work. Thanks for watching!
Another thing I would like to point out. Lets say you compare the old Ferguson TO-20 we had as a kid versus the JD 1025R subcompact we have now. Obviously their is roughly 70 years between these two tractors. The 1025R has a few more horsepower, much nicer seat, diesel, power steering, hydro transmission, and better hydraulics. The Ferguson has none of these features but is build heavy and solid. The 1025 R transmission housing is aluminum and has plastic on the fenders and hood. Obviously the 1025R is more of a lawn mowing tractor and the Ferguson is more of a field tractor but again the old tractors are just built solid. The Ferguson weighs in at about 1000 pounds more roughly. I just don't see most of the tractors we make today lasting as long as the old ones that just keep going and going.
That 135 is arguably one of the best tractors ever manufactured. No doubt in my mind that it couldn’t have gotten that stump moved to where you wanted it. Adjusting your rigging would have made all the difference in the world. The way you chained it essentially had it digging into the ground.
I bought mine used for $5000. Used it for ten years. Totally reliable. Then sold it for $5000. Cost me nothing but fuel and a steering part after i ran it into a hidden stump!
It's been awhile, But agree with You, & a very nice video on the difference of what tractors can do & not do. My 1959 M-F 50 gasser is still getting er done; As well as my newer 2018 M-F 1526; Both tractors compliment each other as to what one will do, & what it will not do; The other will fill the gap. Thanks for the video, & great content.
As long as they have a locking diff lol And I know all about the "duel brake" method. I have used it a lot unfortunately. It doesn't work most of the time, especially on a hill or in tight areas. But for the money you can't beat an old tractor.
Yup, using the differential lock and having the draft sensing working will sure have a fella shaking his head after spending 50000 on a light 4x4. 100 series mf is probably still the best buy out there.
Like seeing the old tractors work to....i am by heart a ford tractor man but i like the ole masseys in the 1, 2 and 3 series up until about 99 when they went away from those 3 series and started into the 4 digit hood numbers.....of course the kubota is growing on me and i like it pretty good to....it seems to be a little harder on fuel than the New Hollands i have owned of similar size. But it also may be that i am currently paying very close attention to the fuel consumption of anything with the current prices......
My Kubota uses about 1.5 gallons an hour when working it hard. You can run a 135 hard on 5 gallons all day 🤣! My favorite Fords were the 3930 and 4630. Appreciate you watching!
I do everything with two wheel drives way I look at it with my small vegetable farm if that wet I Needs 4 wheel drive I am not planting anything anyway. great video
Love the sound of that 135. Only question I have is why they stuck and alternator so far out w/o any protection. On the other-hand, sure makes it easy to work on 😎. Thanks for bringing us along. 👍
I'm probably the only person in history to smack the front tire on the alternator cooling fans. What an ungodly screech it makes. Be careful pushing the limits when plowing deep..!
Yeah we had Farmall. Two front wheels up real close and those big tall back Wheels. I'll be making roads through the woods ,clean up the woods getting all the dead trees and stuff out and thinning out trees so the pretty trees to grow better. I guess a chainsaw probably been little easier going on the tractor. Anyway I had a ball.hook a chain up to that old little tree you know not real big trees but some of them shoot about 10 in. How to hook a chain up where it would twist that tree is getting jerked up so you know it rip them roots. Man I stood that old tractor straight up lots of times snake it through the woods of course we get the trailer and go in there and cut would you know firewood break up the garden and just go out for a ride in the country with the trailer. She was a gas burner but she'd stay until she had all we want it done she's a strong girl and I sure love her. I got a 165 Massey Ferguson now she's a good girl too. She got that Perkins diesel. I put new tires on her she's got the double clutch and posi Trac. Put a new starter I think the starter was like 400 something tires 1600 installed at the co-op.. I'm proud of her I tell you that. Got a 7 ft trim Mower and I bought a front end loader but I'm not satisfied with it I'm going to get a regular Massey Ferguson front loader for it. OEM parts only. If you ever have to buy a starter for one just go ahead and get the expensive one cuz that's the only one fits it.
As with any tractor, you simply don't overload. Back in the 60s my dad and l did quite a bit of farming with a 22hp John Deere M. It might take longer but you work with have or what you can afford.
Good old tractors do not devaluate anymore. Their prices only go up. That should tell you something. And they still do ALL the work they were built to do. If you have the attachments. It's just that the work takes many times more time than large modern tractors and is more uncomfortable. But, they are WAY more reliable and WAY cheaper and easier to repair.
What is your opinion on a mid 80's massey ferguson 1030 2wd { no front loader} and what price do you think would be fair for it. it is a local tractor over near Abingdon. it is in fully operational, the paint is is faded and weathered. thank you. Keep the good videos coming! It would be used for light bush hog and finish mowing, pulling a 4x8 wagon and using a carry all.
Over all it should do pretty good. On a tractor that size 4 wheel drive really helps though. But if you can get it for a fair price it may work out just fine. I saw one today in Cleveland VA that is 4 wheel drive. It was on Facebook marketplace. Keep me posted on this!
@@khtractors yes sir I saw the one in Cleveland, thank you. I have been offered a mf 165 for a great price. probably gonna move on that one. thank you for the response. God bless!
I don’t see any issue with 2wd tractors, I guess if you were to only have one having 4x4 is a good idea. Those perkins run very smooth and efficient. If you had to make a choice what tractor is your favorite? Current or previously owned. ?
I’m going to talk more about this subject in another video related buying tractors. I’ve got to get some figures together first. As for a favorite it would be a tough choice between the 245 and Farmtrac. Thanks for watching!
@@khtractors the tobacco guys around here are still running farmall H tractors that are doing the same job every year since the 40’s I love my kubotas but there’s no chance they will still be working in eighty years
What size rear tires are you running on her. I've got 14.9 x 28 on spin out wheels, and I had to add 300 pounds counter weight to front end to keep it on the ground picking up big round bales of hay. It ain't no fun trying to steer with rear brakes, especially when you can't see where your going because of the hood in your way. 135's were built between 1964 to 1975 was last year of production. From the side your exhaust comes out from your's has a 3 cylinder perkins in it. If you would have hooked your chain up to bottom of hay fork, then lifted it up. and from the other end of stump. Then it would not have dug in as bad as it did with stump of tree digging in like a like kids heels first day of school after summer break. Kubota, and you like the old massey Ferguson's, and you own a kubota. That's a sin of the worst kind ain't it, I mean you could of gotta john deere and been thought of better than with a bota. New Holland case international anything but a bota. My my, and here thought you were country folks, but now transplanted citified I'm thinkin. Lol whatever you can get the best deal on that'll do the job that you need it to do is my moto. Still MF sells bigger tractors for reasonable prices if you shop round.
Mine has 13.6x28 rear tires. I like the old Massey’s up until they went to the 2000 series tractors. I had a 2615 Massey and I never did like it, going away from Perkins diesels really hurt. The Simpson is modeled after a Perkins but not near the engine. My Kubota has been a great tractor 1800 hours with no issue. I went with Kubota because my buddy has a M6800 with almost 5,000 hours now and it’s been a great tractor. You’ll never see me with a newer style New Holland. I do though love the old Ford tractors up to like a 3930’s year range. Had a few Ford 3000’s over the years. But I’m a diehard Massey man if it was built before the 2000’s. Thanks for watching!
@@khtractors try the next size up it's same tractor only made for grown folks my 135's are literally too small for my 6'1" size 12 boots just doesn't fit me. Pain to get on and off between the fender gear shifter and steering wheel. Then had to build custom seat base to work pedals right without knees in steering wheel because of angle the pedals have to be used Don't get me wrong great little tractor excellent power to weight ratio lift of the point is capable of literally standing it straight up if you aren't careful. I added a custom front bumper that is made of weld pipe and 1" plate steel that has pull pins on each side of bumper that slides inside each other with suitcase weights hanging off the front plate steel bumper to add additional lifting capacity to the 3 point. Just pull up to a tree bumper of truck. Pull the pins back up in 2" increments until you thing you have enough to offset what you want to pickup. Drop pins back in and don't have to worry about the thing falling off, are beating your front end to pieces like the mf wheel weights will do your tractor, not too mention making them heck to turn at low speeds are in tight places trying to maneuver inside a barn or such. Bolts right up to under side of front axle frame, then weld tubing inside the area you have to work with under there, and get next size down drill pipe is what I used 23/8" to 17/8" I believe was sizes, but I only am aware of those two and they fit one inside the other just be sure to grease them up and holes for drop pins are definitely needed. Mine go for 6" off grill, to nearly 24"with plenty of support for the extension and more room for 100 lbs suite case weights than it will carry if needed. But every 2" out off the grill you pull it seems to nearly double the weight off nose.
What those people need to steer clear of are hydrostatic transmissions and R4 tires. If they would get hear drive and a agricultural tractors, 4 wheel drive wouldn't be so important.
I sold this tractor last year for just a little under what they sold for new. I had it for 20 years and nearly recovered all my money back. Thanks for watching!
@@khtractors I’m trying to catch up on all your videos. I hope the next time I get up there you’ll have the time to give me a tour. Meanwhile you are my number one TH-cam channel because not only our ties but honestly they are very enjoyable!
@@MrFretman6 always welcome for a tour! I really appreciate you watching these videos. I don’t do a lot to self promote the channel but it has amazed me how many people that I know has found it and started watching along. Take care!
I appreciate that! I like to show what can be achieved with these old tractors and that I still run them daily even while having a newer 4 wheel drive. Thanks for watching!
You have to match weights. That stump probably weighed nearly as much as your 135. Plus when you hitch high, you need plenty of weight on the opposite end of your point of hitch. I have made a small tractor do more than expected because I was able to change the load/weight balance, just like tractor pulling. Now that's some fun 😊🚜👍
Hooking high adds traction but like you said you really need the weight up front to help counter act that. My Farmtrac 60 has a long and decently heavy front end it’s a pulling machine for a 2 wheel drive. Having the ability to add and remove weights really amplifies what a tractor can do! Thanks for watching!
A two wheel drive tractor will make a tractor hand out of you! Four wheel drive more or less point and go, gotta use your head a little more on a two wheel drive
Yes gotta use your head and the features of the tractor to your advantage. Just like split brakes, people don’t use those to their advantage much I’ve found. That’s the best feature a tractor could have! Thanks for watching!
It does have a drawbar but pulling from it I couldn’t have moved the stump at all. Pulling higher does raise the front end but also greatly increases what you can actually pull by transferring weight to the rear wheels. That’s why! Thanks for watching!
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I’d much rather have a vintage 2WD tractor than these technological marvels they have now that aren’t half the tractor. The important thing for anyone who might be interested in one is whether or not they are mechanically inclined and if parts are available. If the answer is “yes” to both, it is a wise investment.
Mark these old things just keep on going and I never fear a major breakdown with them. I’d love to have a 2 wheel Massey Ferguson 270 or 285. I think that would be the perfect tractor for my disc mower and baler. Mikes brother ED moved a full size single wide house trailer once with Mikes 270 Massey. It blew my mind! Thanks for watching!
I totally agree
Yessir, you can't beat the old ones!!! I've grown up around the blue ones myself & am kinda partial to them I guess since that's all I own now!! I've never had a major breakdown on either of the Ford 2000 gas or the 3000 diesel, other than starter, or generator, or voltage regulator & breaks, that's it!! Their like the Energizer bunny, they just keep on going and going and going!! Lol
U could build a new MF135 from parts. And, it was designed to be repaired literally in the field.
We still use our 1966 MF 135 we bought new, started driving it when I was six years old still driving it today. That reminds me I gotta go get a battery for it have a great day Ben!
So many people have experiences and memories of a 135, I always thought I was the only one. I love hearing these stories from other people! Thanks for watching!
I've seen 2WD tractors do things I'm not comfortable doing on mine. An experienced operator can do tons of work with a 2wd. The big fault is when you have rough or muddy terrain and want to use a loader to move things. Also, pulling a stump (uphill) that big that's digging in and snagging trees is a lot to ask for any tractor the size/weight of the 135. Outside of that, keep proving the "experts" wrong, Ben! Good work!
If you watch your approach using a 2 wheel drive you can do pretty good. A 2 wheel drive loader tractor is definitely another story. As for most everyday uses I prefer these 40-50 hp 2 wheel drives. Take care Logan!
And they have a lot of character! I grew up with these tractors, they are wonderfull. Those Perkins Diesels run and run and run. And they sound great.
Good tractors. I ended up selling this one last fall but still have a Massey 245 orchard. Thanks for watching
The older the better, Ben. So much more character in the older ones.
A tractor built from the 70’s to the mid 90’s are just straight up good dependable machines. Buying these old tractors is better then money in the bank. Thanks for watching!
I have been telling the wife I need another tractor. It would be so handy. Thanks for the video
Having multiple tractors is so nice, that’s kinda where I was going with this video. More videos to come related to that subject! Thanks for watching!
I have a ford 600 dat still runs awsome to dis day damn good tractor love t old tractors
Those were good old tractors. I’m amazed at how many of them are still in operation for their age! Thanks for watching!
People here in the west of Ireland, still use TEF20s, 35s and 135s to run their farms. Parts are readily available, they sip fuel and they were good enough for our parents and grandparents.
I have a 1954 Ferguson 20. Just had some work done on it and absolutely love it. I only have a very small property, but i wouldn't be without it. I love them.
Love the older tractors, they just build them, or anything like they used to. You have a great day Ben, stay safe and may God bless…
They are just straight up work horse tractors! Appreciate you watching!
I have a 1974 135 it’s my second tractor I run a 7 foot finish mower on it most of the summer. Their an amazing little tractor for pto power plus just fun to run
They never run out of power! I’ve pulled a square baler a lot with mine even on some steep places, it always keeps the rpm’s maintained. Thanks for watching!
These old two wheel drives are what built the farms we have today, people managed way before 4wd
Your right! People these days are too soft 🤣. Thanks for watching
Agree with you, what you have in the 135 is priceless, they are from the best old tractors and will run for ever, great video
They are just so dependable! No worry about electrical issues or DPF problems either! Thanks for watching!
Nice video!! Totally agree - will never part with my 135, despite scaling up. That little droid and I have been through a lot together 😊
They just won’t let you down! Thanks for watching!
Great video,Ben.The 135 done a good job moving the stump,I believe that if the limbs had been trimmed it would have been a little easier moving it.The hill was steep enough for any tractor to have trouble pulling anything to the top.The Massey 135 is a great old tractor,many people are looking for this tractor to restore.Really enjoyed the video.Have a blessed weekend and be SAFE.🚜💯👍👏❤️🙏
I think with a boom pole and some front weight I could eventually got the stump moved with the 135. I’d like to have tried it with my Farmtrac 60. A 135 makes a nice antique but still a very useful and productive tractor too! Appreciate you watching!
Those are good tractors. Those older tractors will still be going after these new light weight 4 wd utlity tractors have laid down.
We never even thought about needing a 4 wd tractor back in my days.
Thanks for watching
The old 2 wheel drive tractors have served the Ag industry for over a century. The 4WD tractor is amazing as you demonstrated.
They both have their strengths, the biggest advantage to these old 2 wheels drives is affordability. I’ll be going more in depth on this subject coming up. Thanks for watching!
Should never hook that high
Hey I got 1990 two wheel drive and I love that trackter with a loader do inny thing👍
If your smart about your approach in tough situations a 2 wheel drive does pretty good! Thanks for watching!
We have a 1968 MF 135 4 cylinder gas rear tires filled certainly a great size , 3 speed with high and low transmission really a good pulling two wheel drive tractor
I sold this one recently. That was a tough decision and I hope I don’t regret it. Thanks for watching
Don't you just love it when your saw gets hung up. I've always liked that 135 Massey of yours
Yeah getting a saw stuck is aggravating! Appreciate you watching!
You're welcome
Just checking in on you Ben, haven't seen you post a video in a few day's!!
Appreciate that! I had planned to have on ready today but Clayton got called out for a Forrest fire and we were out all evening.
@@khtractors I was praying it wasn't anything serious
@@hattcreekfarm I really appreciate that. It’s been so windy I can really video much right now and have any sound quality. Hopefully I’ll get back in the swing of things soon.
Ben, what Logan said, my old Ford 3000 would carry the front end of the ground, with a single Plow Years ago, 4x4 would have been useless 🚜🪵👍🏼🇺🇸
You just have to watch about getting into a place where you can’t backup. When it comes to plowing and hay work those 2 wheel drives shine! Thanks for watching!
Awesome video,but what some don’t understand is is the weight to HorsePower with gearing, we used to do more and put in places with 35 to 50 horsepowert tractors or even smaller horsepower tractors then the tractors of today, because todays tractors, you need 60 to 80 horsepower in fore wheel drive to do the same thing, and knowing how to operate a tractor too plays a big part, knowledge goes along ways in my opinion. You take your 245 you might have been able to make farther but with a pulley and or sawing off the roots you most likely would have made it all the way
I think with my Farmtrac and the rear grapple I could pulled the stump all the way. These tractors just seem to have much better torque then what’s built today. I’ve never tackled a job with the 135 where hp was an issue. Thanks for watching!
My grandfather had a 200 acre farm. He owned many tractors. One of them was four wheel drive. Most didn't even have power steering. If a two wheel drive tractor can't do it, a four wheel drive probably shouldn't. You'll just make it harder on yourself later.
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I have ran tractors from the time I was a kid. I started out on a Ford 2n and a Ferguson TO20. I have driven tractors as small as a sub compact clean up to an articulated tractor. We have owned a Ford 4000, Ford 6000, Ford 2N, Ferguson TO20, MF 165, MF 255, New Holland TN70, JD 2155, JD 5055E. For the subcompact size it is tough to beat 4wd since they are so light weight. When you get into a utility tractor, I think 2wd is just fine. Only time I think 4wd is handy to have on this size is on hills and when operating a bucket loader. Over 100 hp I think fwa or articulated is the way to go especially if doing heavy tillage work. I love the small old Ford and MF tractors. They have very little plastic anywhere on them, they are built fairly heavy, parts a pretty easy to get, not to expensive to buy, and they rarely break down. I prefer old tractors over the new ones. The new ones are nice as far as creature comforts but in my opinion that is about it. I have been watching a few of your videos and have enjoyed them. I love tractors and chainsaws. I run mostly Stihl and Husqvarna equipment. We still have a 1973 MF 165 Diesel square axle with the AD4-203 Perkins still on the farm. I think that tractor for its time was one of the sharpest looking tractors in that size. I wish I would have never sold my MF 255 and Ford 4000 Diesel.
You seem to have a lot of experience with various tractors. I agree with you on everything said in this comment! Appreciate you watching!
I have 2 massey Ferguson 135s one a perkins 3 cylinder gas and the other is a perkins diesel. I have been juice in both and suitcase weights on the front and I absolutely love them. I have a 2 bottom plow and I can plow circles around my neighbor with a 40 something horse new holland and his is new. The things is gear driven tractors put more power to the ground than hydrostatic and i think they weight alot more if the bucket is off the new ones by at least 400lbs or more. My diesel definitely out performs my gas but i love them both. But I'd like a brand new massey though if its gear driven and with bucket I own a lawn care business and I do alot of cutting trees and brush hogging and the new ones are alot easier on ya mowing for 6 to 8 hrs. I dont use my gas cause it's like sitting in front of a furnace compared to the diesel. But I've made my money back 10 fold on with both of those tractors. Both of them were county tractors the guy I bought them from bought at auction he went through and overhauled both engines new clutches and rear tires. Had receipts dated 2 months before I purchased them and the tractors weren't even broke in yet. I bought both for 9500$. One thing about the old ones weekend warriors didn't buy tractors when the 135 was being new and so everyone had an owners manual that walked you through on how to fix anything on it if you had the tools and the want to fix them. I'm looking to buy a massey 245 soon I'm glad I found your channel cause you have a great mind set on tractors they do not make them like they use too thats for sure plus it's hard to remedy tractor fever. It just stinks cause here in Michigan massey stuff is a little harder to come by but if you have an 8n ford where I live every other house has one. But great channel and episode
Loved reading this comment! Thanks so much for watching and sharing your experiences!
I have a 1967 MF165 and we use to have a Ferguson 2085, may times i have gotten them stuck is soft spots pulling a disc or over loaded trailer. Now that i am way older and not wanting to shovel the tractor out I learned that when my tires are slipping to disconnect what i am pulling and get to firm ground, hook up a chain and pull the disc or trailer out. In this case here with the stump I have learned to put as much weight of the stump or log on the back tires, like the tractor carrying it. It appears his stump is full of soil, if you don't have a 4wd tractor I would spend some time with a pick and shovel getting the stump weight down. I have found that stopping and using a little science may help. Nice video really enjoyed it.
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Love seeing you work with the proven standard of tractors Ben
Keep it up and thanks for teaching us all your tractor skills and knowledge!
Phil
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Thank you buddy! I’ve had a lot more seat time on 2 wheel drives then I have a 4 wheel drive tractor. Of course 4 wheel drive is great but financially an old 2 wheel drive might be the best fit at times. Take care!
Hey Ben, You see what I do with my old Massey. The operator makes a big difference too. I see guys on some videos that likely shouldn't even be near a tractor (I'm surprised they haven't been killed) Great job Ben on the 135. As far as I'm concerned the 135 was the best tractor Massey made.
Your tractor is a strong puller! I get a little carried away at times pushing the limits, probably should stop that. The 135 just doesn’t have the front end weight your tractor has. Thanks for watching!
I'm about to drive my massey ferguson 165 for the first time ever. I revived it myself. I've never driven a tractor before. How do I not kill myself? Everyone says they are very dangerous
Once again your abilities' shine though. Thanks for sharing.
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Appreciate it! I just couldn’t resist trying to pull the stump with the 135. Take care!
Good day Sir, nice to see your green grass and Yes antics tractor are priceless in deed 👍👌😉 Outstanding video mon ami and great use of your Kubota 😉👌👍 Cheers 🍻
Dave we ended up getting another small snow this morning, the weather is crazy! Appreciate you watching!
@@khtractors Yes I have that as well daily for the last 5 days 🥴🤣👍👌 Keep up your great spirits Sir 👌👍🍻
I would say for homesteading they are great. What does a reg guy need with a 4x4 tractor.
The 4 wheel drive is very nice, but not as necessary as some may think. Thanks for watching
I never rule old equipment out at all....where I work our old KW's are always running and very rarely fail....the new Macks though or the Freightliner...always having issues.
Stuff back in the 70’s, 80’s , and early 90’s where built to last. Plus easy to fix compared to this new stuff. Appreciate you watching!
MF 241, FEL & chains, power to spare and goes everywhere on my (mostly) flat property. #2WDTestify!
Thanks for the backup! If you have good tires and proper ballast a 2 wheel can perform a lot of work! Take care!
I like my old 574. Just wish the loader had skid steer quick attach capability for different implements.
Yes you could add that I bet to it but it maybe costly. Those 574’s are good tractors! Thanks for watching!
My diesel tractor is from 1962. Still does what I ask of it, always starts, never goes into limp mode, has plenty of power and easy on fuel. In 60 more years, it will be more likely running and working than than half these modern expensive wonders. I paid $2800 in 2017 for mine. What can you get for ten times that new?
My point exactly! Newer isn’t always better. Thanks for watching!
@@khtractors all I've done is replace a water pump and change the fluids. If I ever completely rebuild the engine, it will still be a deal over the new ones. The simplicity and durability old machines is valuable.
I have 3 two wheel rear drive tractors a 92hp, a 64hp and a 39hp. 95 percent of the time I can do what’s needs to be done with 2nd with no problem. Yes there are times and situations where a 4 wheel drive could had done the job, I drove 2 WD tractors for over 50 years now.
I find 4 wheel to be most useful for extra braking and for backing up a hill. Thanks for watching
You learned from the old timers, as I did.Thats all they had and it sure beats using a mule.
Your right, growing up Dad had a 4 wheel drive compact tractor and a neighbor had a 1250 JD 4 wheel drive. Outside of that everyone used 2 wheel drives and accomplished all kinds of work. Thanks for watching!
Another thing I would like to point out. Lets say you compare the old Ferguson TO-20 we had as a kid versus the JD 1025R subcompact we have now. Obviously their is roughly 70 years between these two tractors. The 1025R has a few more horsepower, much nicer seat, diesel, power steering, hydro transmission, and better hydraulics. The Ferguson has none of these features but is build heavy and solid. The 1025 R transmission housing is aluminum and has plastic on the fenders and hood. Obviously the 1025R is more of a lawn mowing tractor and the Ferguson is more of a field tractor but again the old tractors are just built solid. The Ferguson weighs in at about 1000 pounds more roughly. I just don't see most of the tractors we make today lasting as long as the old ones that just keep going and going.
No I don’t think these newer tractors will still be running 50+ years later. Thanks for watching!
That 135 is arguably one of the best tractors ever manufactured. No doubt in my mind that it couldn’t have gotten that stump moved to where you wanted it. Adjusting your rigging would have made all the difference in the world. The way you chained it essentially had it digging into the ground.
They are great machines!
I bought mine used for $5000. Used it for ten years. Totally reliable. Then sold it for $5000. Cost me nothing but fuel and a steering part after i ran it into a hidden stump!
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It's been awhile, But agree with You, & a very nice video on the difference of what tractors can do & not do. My 1959 M-F 50 gasser is still getting er done; As well as my newer 2018 M-F 1526; Both tractors compliment each other as to what one will do, & what it will not do; The other will fill the gap. Thanks for the video, & great content.
Appreciate you sharing your experiences!
Another great video!👍🏻
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That’s some beautiful property 👍
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As long as they have a locking diff lol And I know all about the "duel brake" method. I have used it a lot unfortunately. It doesn't work most of the time, especially on a hill or in tight areas. But for the money you can't beat an old tractor.
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Yup, using the differential lock and having the draft sensing working will sure have a fella shaking his head after spending 50000 on a light 4x4. 100 series mf is probably still the best buy out there.
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Like seeing the old tractors work to....i am by heart a ford tractor man but i like the ole masseys in the 1, 2 and 3 series up until about 99 when they went away from those 3 series and started into the 4 digit hood numbers.....of course the kubota is growing on me and i like it pretty good to....it seems to be a little harder on fuel than the New Hollands i have owned of similar size. But it also may be that i am currently paying very close attention to the fuel consumption of anything with the current prices......
My Kubota uses about 1.5 gallons an hour when working it hard. You can run a 135 hard on 5 gallons all day 🤣! My favorite Fords were the 3930 and 4630. Appreciate you watching!
Love my 1966 Massey Ferguson 165
I’d like to have a good 165! Be a good tractor for my disc mower! Thanks for watching!
@@khtractors love watching your videos had several 200 series Massey Ferguson 245 and 255 265
@@gregflaugher9363 they are great tractors! Thanks for your support!
I do everything with two wheel drives way I look at it with my small vegetable farm if that wet I Needs 4 wheel drive I am not planting anything anyway. great video
They steer so much easier and the front tires are definitely cheaper to replace as well vs a 4 wheel drive. Thanks for watching!
Love the sound of that 135. Only question I have is why they stuck and alternator so far out w/o any protection. On the other-hand, sure makes it easy to work on 😎. Thanks for bringing us along. 👍
I’ve always kinda liked that alternator stuck out there, it adds character 😁! Appreciate you watching buddy!
I'm probably the only person in history to smack the front tire on the alternator cooling fans. What an ungodly screech it makes. Be careful pushing the limits when plowing deep..!
Love your tractor collection Ben 👍🏻, that root ball looked heavy, great job pulling it up the hill. Have a great one Ben 🙋🏼♂️🙂👍🏻
It sure was heavy and too much digging in. Appreciate you watching!
Yeah we had Farmall. Two front wheels up real close and those big tall back Wheels. I'll be making roads through the woods ,clean up the woods getting all the dead trees and stuff out and thinning out trees so the pretty trees to grow better. I guess a chainsaw probably been little easier going on the tractor. Anyway I had a ball.hook a chain up to that old little tree you know not real big trees but some of them shoot about 10 in. How to hook a chain up where it would twist that tree is getting jerked up so you know it rip them roots. Man I stood that old tractor straight up lots of times snake it through the woods of course we get the trailer and go in there and cut would you know firewood break up the garden and just go out for a ride in the country with the trailer. She was a gas burner but she'd stay until she had all we want it done she's a strong girl and I sure love her. I got a 165 Massey Ferguson now she's a good girl too. She got that Perkins diesel. I put new tires on her she's got the double clutch and posi Trac. Put a new starter I think the starter was like 400 something tires 1600 installed at the co-op.. I'm proud of her I tell you that. Got a 7 ft trim Mower and I bought a front end loader but I'm not satisfied with it I'm going to get a regular Massey Ferguson front loader for it. OEM parts only. If you ever have to buy a starter for one just go ahead and get the expensive one cuz that's the only one fits it.
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Don’t let the secret out! I’ll take my 2wd, no def, and minimal electronics any day.
They just don’t get appreciated on TH-cam like I think they should. More to come on the advantages of old tractors! Thanks for watching!
As with any tractor, you simply don't overload. Back in the 60s my dad and l did quite a bit of farming with a 22hp John Deere M. It might take longer but you work with have or what you can afford.
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We had a family member killed in the 70's on a tractor when it wheelie and flip over on him .
I could happen.
Good old tractors do not devaluate anymore. Their prices only go up. That should tell you something. And they still do ALL the work they were built to do. If you have the attachments. It's just that the work takes many times more time than large modern tractors and is more uncomfortable. But, they are WAY more reliable and WAY cheaper and easier to repair.
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What is your opinion on a mid 80's massey ferguson 1030 2wd { no front loader} and what price do you think would be fair for it. it is a local tractor over near Abingdon. it is in fully operational, the paint is is faded and weathered. thank you. Keep the good videos coming! It would be used for light bush hog and finish mowing, pulling a 4x8 wagon and using a carry all.
Over all it should do pretty good. On a tractor that size 4 wheel drive really helps though. But if you can get it for a fair price it may work out just fine. I saw one today in Cleveland VA that is 4 wheel drive. It was on Facebook marketplace. Keep me posted on this!
@@khtractors yes sir I saw the one in Cleveland, thank you. I have been offered a mf 165 for a great price. probably gonna move on that one. thank you for the response. God bless!
@@countryboyscooter3402 yes a 165 will be great!
It's true two wheel drive tractors that do a lot of work but they're just about useless with a loader on them
Yeah they are definitely limited with a loader. I wouldn’t mind a 2 wheel drive for loading hay but that’s about it. Thanks for watching
I don’t see any issue with 2wd tractors, I guess if you were to only have one having 4x4 is a good idea. Those perkins run very smooth and efficient. If you had to make a choice what tractor is your favorite? Current or previously owned. ?
I’m going to talk more about this subject in another video related buying tractors. I’ve got to get some figures together first. As for a favorite it would be a tough choice between the 245 and Farmtrac. Thanks for watching!
@@khtractors the tobacco guys around here are still running farmall H tractors that are doing the same job every year since the 40’s I love my kubotas but there’s no chance they will still be working in eighty years
@@HillsideAcres tractors were once built to last forever.
What size rear tires are you running on her.
I've got 14.9 x 28 on spin out wheels, and I had to add 300 pounds counter weight to front end to keep it on the ground picking up big round bales of hay.
It ain't no fun trying to steer with rear brakes, especially when you can't see where your going because of the hood in your way.
135's were built between 1964 to 1975 was last year of production.
From the side your exhaust comes out from your's has a 3 cylinder perkins in it.
If you would have hooked your chain up to bottom of hay fork, then lifted it up.
and from the other end of stump.
Then it would not have dug in as bad as it did with stump of tree digging in like a like kids heels first day of school after summer break.
Kubota, and you like the old massey Ferguson's, and you own a kubota.
That's a sin of the worst kind ain't it, I mean you could of gotta john deere and been thought of better than with a bota.
New Holland case international anything but a bota.
My my, and here thought you were country folks, but now transplanted citified I'm thinkin.
Lol whatever you can get the best deal on that'll do the job that you need it to do is my moto.
Still MF sells bigger tractors for reasonable prices if you shop round.
Mine has 13.6x28 rear tires. I like the old Massey’s up until they went to the 2000 series tractors. I had a 2615 Massey and I never did like it, going away from Perkins diesels really hurt. The Simpson is modeled after a Perkins but not near the engine. My Kubota has been a great tractor 1800 hours with no issue. I went with Kubota because my buddy has a M6800 with almost 5,000 hours now and it’s been a great tractor. You’ll never see me with a newer style New Holland. I do though love the old Ford tractors up to like a 3930’s year range. Had a few Ford 3000’s over the years. But I’m a diehard Massey man if it was built before the 2000’s. Thanks for watching!
@@khtractors try the next size up it's same tractor only made for grown folks my 135's are literally too small for my 6'1" size 12 boots just doesn't fit me.
Pain to get on and off between the fender gear shifter and steering wheel.
Then had to build custom seat base to work pedals right without knees in steering wheel because of angle the pedals have to be used
Don't get me wrong great little tractor excellent power to weight ratio lift of the point is capable of literally standing it straight up if you aren't careful.
I added a custom front bumper that is made of weld pipe and 1" plate steel that has pull pins on each side of bumper that slides inside each other with suitcase weights hanging off the front plate steel bumper to add additional lifting capacity to the 3 point. Just pull up to a tree bumper of truck.
Pull the pins back up in 2" increments until you thing you have enough to offset what you want to pickup.
Drop pins back in and don't have to worry about the thing falling off, are beating your front end to pieces like the mf wheel weights will do your tractor, not too mention making them heck to turn at low speeds are in tight places trying to maneuver inside a barn or such.
Bolts right up to under side of front axle frame, then weld tubing inside the area you have to work with under there, and get next size down drill pipe is what I used 23/8" to 17/8" I believe was sizes, but I only am aware of those two and they fit one inside the other just be sure to grease them up and holes for drop pins are definitely needed.
Mine go for 6" off grill, to nearly 24"with plenty of support for the extension and more room for 100 lbs suite case weights than it will carry if needed.
But every 2" out off the grill you pull it seems to nearly double the weight off nose.
I have a '57 Massey TO35 and just bought a '00 231S and wouldn't trade them for a new tractor.
Good machines!
To be honest, I wouldn't mind even a Lanz Bulldog...
What those people need to steer clear of are hydrostatic transmissions and R4 tires. If they would get hear drive and a agricultural tractors, 4 wheel drive wouldn't be so important.
You hit the nail on the head! I couldn’t agree more! Thanks
There is nothing wrong with a 2x4 tractor and one can do a heck of a lot with them split brakes
That’s the key, proper use of split brakes makes a tractor so much more useful! Thanks for watching!
It’s nice when you purchase equipment, use it for decades, and could sell it for what you paid for it, or more. A bit of an edge against inflation.
I sold this tractor last year for just a little under what they sold for new. I had it for 20 years and nearly recovered all my money back. Thanks for watching!
@@khtractors I’m trying to catch up on all your videos. I hope the next time I get up there you’ll have the time to give me a tour. Meanwhile you are my number one TH-cam channel because not only our ties but honestly they are very enjoyable!
@@MrFretman6 always welcome for a tour! I really appreciate you watching these videos. I don’t do a lot to self promote the channel but it has amazed me how many people that I know has found it and started watching along. Take care!
Subbed and liked good content brother
I appreciate that! I like to show what can be achieved with these old tractors and that I still run them daily even while having a newer 4 wheel drive. Thanks for watching!
You have to match weights. That stump probably weighed nearly as much as your 135. Plus when you hitch high, you need plenty of weight on the opposite end of your point of hitch. I have made a small tractor do more than expected because I was able to change the load/weight balance, just like tractor pulling. Now that's some fun 😊🚜👍
Hooking high adds traction but like you said you really need the weight up front to help counter act that. My Farmtrac 60 has a long and decently heavy front end it’s a pulling machine for a 2 wheel drive. Having the ability to add and remove weights really amplifies what a tractor can do! Thanks for watching!
I'd rather have these old 2wd tractors. No DEF, EGR or any other tree huger bullshit.
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A two wheel drive tractor will make a tractor hand out of you! Four wheel drive more or less point and go, gotta use your head a little more on a two wheel drive
Yes gotta use your head and the features of the tractor to your advantage. Just like split brakes, people don’t use those to their advantage much I’ve found. That’s the best feature a tractor could have! Thanks for watching!
Good cheap HP and everything is wide open for servicing.
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Why would you pull from a point so high and so far back from the centre line of the back axle. It does have a drawbar.
It does have a drawbar but pulling from it I couldn’t have moved the stump at all. Pulling higher does raise the front end but also greatly increases what you can actually pull by transferring weight to the rear wheels. That’s why! Thanks for watching!
You got to make a undercut first on a tree like that
10/4
Sucks the 4wd models are export only
I love the old MF 135 by the way. MF sold a ton of those.
They are hard to beat! Thanks for watching!
You should got one with a cab on it