The Order/Kingston group began when Charles W Kingston was excommunicated from the LDS church for preaching polygamy. He moved to Bountiful and began living the United Order with his son Elden Kingston and a group of followers. The community officially declared themselves the Davis County Cooperative Society in 1941. If anyone is interested in the history of the different groups I highly recommend the Year of Polygamy podcast by Lindsay Hansen Park.
also you have to look at the family tree of each of these families. Lets start at the top The Manifesto during this time the Petersons were jailed and some of them renounced but most of them stayed in. In the 20s Charles Kingston got excommunicated, Jacob Woolley got excommunicated, and Musser and the Allreds were excommunicated these men started the Council of Friends. Charles Kingston was first to leave he founded the Kingston Clan, Jacob Woolley and Joseph Musser were the next to leave Woolley founded Centennial Park and Musser founded the FLDS, and the Allreds they had infighting this lead to the birth of the radical groups the AUB, The Knights of the Holy Order, The Blades, the RLDS, and the Church of the Doctrine with the AUB the worst because they kill people. The AUB is under investigation for murder and ties to the Neo Nazis several of their members are part of this cult.
Every time I see a picture of the FLDS temple in Texas, I feel so sad because I read about all that happened there. My heart goes out to those in this cult and to anyone who left. I wish you all the best futures possible.
This is so interesting! Thank you! I left the mainstream Mormons ten years ago, (it was awful with screaming and slapping and me fairly well escaping in a Jeep that I secretly purchased, I had nightmares for YEARS) and have always been so fascinated by my spiritual brothers and sisters, which is how I see all of the LDS variants. The mainstream church was bad enough I assure you, I feel so strongly for those in even more controlling 'churches'. You are so brave and inspiring!! Thank you thank you 💎
Hmmm, odd & sad to hear. For me, the LDS church was my saving grace, I would most likely have been dead at a young age without it. It is all about loving families trying to do what is right, but with care & patience with sinners. Some families have abuse in them, in or out of the LDS church, it is a human thing, not promoted by any Christian church I know of.
@@longlifeprinters9Mate, the LDS Church has been haemorrhaging members for years. They church leaders in multiple temples have been accused and/or convicted of child abuse, they also hide domestic violence and sexual assault from police. The commenter’s story is far from uncommon, not a single person leaves LDS without trauma of some kind.
Can't wait for part 2! I would love the video you were talking about doing Amanda, this is so wild to me and I enjoy learning about the ins and outs, I think maybe because its so shocking all these people went along with it.
I would totally allow these collabs, it warms my heart to see folks on all sides coming together and healing in the process, you are dismantling the power of the old guys! Very important to so many people, you are making a huge impact ♥️
Can you three hookup with an AUB member and discuss their differences? I believe the Sister Wives Brown family are AUB. I tried reading about the differences on Wikipedia but those articles use too much Mormon terminology that is difficult to track for a non-Mormon. This video was fascinating. I love comparative religion, which this addressed as well.
I grew up, and am still, an "outsider". I live in TX. My paternal uncle, his wife & their 6 kids live in the Salt Lake area. This is all fascinating to me. I admire the work you are all doing. I know your honesty, courage & strength, is helping so many people. ✌️ ❤️
I've watched your channels separately for a while and have been curious about how your stories and experiences line up and also differ. I never imagined I'd see a collab! Thank you for doing this video! And--truly--thank you for being willing to share your stories. This is a vulnerable thing, and these stories are not owed to us. This is sacred. I'm grateful for the opportunity to be let into your lives, to listen and to learn from you.
I love so much that you made a channel and continue to educate the world on these topics, after the show ended. This was so interesting to watch. Can’t wait for part 2!
I am so glad you all met and had this video. More videos for us. Difference, but the outcome was the same. They were using scare tactics. Love you all and am so glad you are living your lives.
@@carlasuannelockett1694 I grew up in the south so I don’t know much about Mormons as a hole. Melissa is always the one that clears things up for me lol
It never fails to amaze me how religious groups become so insular, that they fail to see the history of power broking that is the true reason for splits. And as a result they are all adamant that they are "The One True Church" and the only ones going to the afterlife. You could do a similar video of Christian based religions. Fascinating to listen to you, and Melissa was absolutely correct in that she was right to sit in the middle of representatives of two break off groups as the "overlap". I look forward to part 2.
And that is just your opinion. And let me guess you are going off of how people are in Utah to form this opinion. The mainstream LDS church is world wide…
You should message Sam and Melissa on their Instagram and collab with them. They love getting interviews and other points of view of people who were involved in the FLDS. You’re probably the most recent “escapee” that I have come across so I’m sure they’d have a lot of questions on current happenings there for you. Would love to hear your story, your insight and story of leaving. Hopefully you’re safe and at peace. I know leaving can be very stressful and lonely and you may have questions about just day to day outside things. Feel free to message me. Anytime. Happy to chat, help and be there. :)
@Lili Steed -Congrats on your leaving FLDS and may all your endeavors to overcome and flourish in life be blessed! After about 2 years, I'm sure you've already grown a great deal in knowledge and exploring life. I hope your experiences are more good than bad.
Woow this is a very interesting conversation as an Evangelical Christian I can’t imagines to live the way Amanda, and Sam lived since basically they were born. I was raised in a Evangelical household and what we are thought is to be free in the lord because he had paid for our sins polygamy is adultery and fornication that is a something totally prohibited in the Bible. It is beyond my imagination how brainwashed these poor people in these groups are by some individuals that seems that the only things they care is power, money, and sex . God bless you Amanda for all you do I respect other people’s religion I certainly disagree with them theologically but I am glad that people like you are speaking out so with your help others from these groups can drop their blindfolds and find out that there are other ways outside polygamy .
A couple weeks ago I met someone from the Barlow family, I grew up 4 blocks away from them and walked past their house everyday for 6 years, on my way to school. I had heard rumors that they were polygamists but I didn't know it was true!
I love watching your videos, I watched the tv show you were on and I’m so proud of you. I learn so much from you. I’ve really enjoyed watching you three and have learned so much about your different religions. Please do a part 2
We so appreciate your videos and I have followed you ex-Order girls from the beginning when the show started, so pls know that I think y’all are doing great things. I’m such in awe of all of you for sharing with us. This video is def getting a thumbs up, but please keep in mind that when you three start to connect on certain issues that y’all start talking so fast and not always completing your sentences (bc each of you know what you are talking about), BUT the listeners would like y’all to keep this in mind and after being excited about that particular issue(s) to then explain to us what y’all are talking about. Just my feedback.
I like all 3 of you. I left Mormonism (mainstream Mormonism) in 2010. A friend in the church kind of knew I wanted to leave, and she helped me with the paperwork to get my name off the records. I had a mental illness, so they were very understanding. And my marriage didn't last more than a year and a half. It's hard to be an LDS woman with a civil divorce. It's easier on the men because of polygamy. I just so easily walked away and was thankful my parents never joined.
Thanks so much for explaining some of the leadership & how they think they got authority to do this whole society thing. That is probably the biggest question to find a true answer to. Though there are a lot of good teachings mixed in with a lot of bad ones too, "Ye shall know them by their fruit", I see a lot of rotten fruit there; not to disparage people for believing what they grew up being taught but, the ideals & decisions, they feel wrong.
Ok. Whoever is the editor is goooood. LOL. Great place to stop for a cliffhanger. Tomorrow is not coming fast enough. LOL Thank you for sharing y'alls life stories and histories. It is very interesting. I would love to learn more about race relations in the different groups. I am Black and always wondered.
you all have such great bone structure, maybe even helped by the generations of intermingling? lool it was super interesting hearing you guys unpack the history from insider's prospectives!! thank you for sharing
Very interesting .. .. My best childhood friend was Mormon.. I thought it was a club ' And always thought it was weird that they had ( can't remember what they called them , buildings right next to public schools for kids to worship . .. very ingrained .. this was the late 60's early 70's ..
It's interesting to hear your stories. Melissa, I never really had a "shelf crash", I just didn't want to practice Mormonism anymore. My mom is a non-practicing Catholic.
Could you see if Caroline Jessop would be able to come on? She was an early pioneer in her exit and many were inspired to leave because of her bravery, super brave woman there!
Question: did either of the groups vote? Like was voting encouraged/discouraged/not talked about/only certain people could or was the group just a very powerful voting block? What was the situation like? I am so curious! I’m happy to hear y’all might continue to collab! I love learning about the seemingly endless variations of organized religion/high control groups.
I remember in some interviews with young FLDS girls they said they didn’t even know who the president was let alone vote. Is this common? I would think that voting in local elections would be important for protecting the group?
OH MY GOD!!!! I never thought I'd get this crossover.
Yesssss it’s the collab we all secretly wanted!
👆👆👆
Found it when I was” today” years old 🙌🙌🙌
The Order/Kingston group began when Charles W Kingston was excommunicated from the LDS church for preaching polygamy. He moved to Bountiful and began living the United Order with his son Elden Kingston and a group of followers. The community officially declared themselves the Davis County Cooperative Society in 1941.
If anyone is interested in the history of the different groups I highly recommend the Year of Polygamy podcast by Lindsay Hansen Park.
Ive listened to her podcasts...very interesting.
I'll have to check it out. Thank you for the information 🙏
also you have to look at the family tree of each of these families. Lets start at the top The Manifesto during this time the Petersons were jailed and some of them renounced but most of them stayed in. In the 20s Charles Kingston got excommunicated, Jacob Woolley got excommunicated, and Musser and the Allreds were excommunicated these men started the Council of Friends. Charles Kingston was first to leave he founded the Kingston Clan, Jacob Woolley and Joseph Musser were the next to leave Woolley founded Centennial Park and Musser founded the FLDS, and the Allreds they had infighting this lead to the birth of the radical groups the AUB, The Knights of the Holy Order, The Blades, the RLDS, and the Church of the Doctrine with the AUB the worst because they kill people. The AUB is under investigation for murder and ties to the Neo Nazis several of their members are part of this cult.
Amanda's lowkey like "Yeah I was a princess in my cult" when talking about being a Kingston. Haha.
Every time I see a picture of the FLDS temple in Texas, I feel so sad because I read about all that happened there. My heart goes out to those in this cult and to anyone who left. I wish you all the best futures possible.
Wow FASCINATING conversation! Loved hearing these multiple juxtapositions. So happy all of you are out and can share this information!
Why is this my ultimate favorite collab 🙌
Literally exclaimed "come on Amanda" when this video ended. Lol. I can literally listen to you guys Talk all day
Exactly what I wanted to comment. I imagine meeting these people at a bar or something and just sitting as a spectator. I could listen all day.
My heart is racing, I’m so excited ❤️
THE VIDEO WE ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR! My two favorite channels!
This is so interesting! Thank you! I left the mainstream Mormons ten years ago, (it was awful with screaming and slapping and me fairly well escaping in a Jeep that I secretly purchased, I had nightmares for YEARS) and have always been so fascinated by my spiritual brothers and sisters, which is how I see all of the LDS variants. The mainstream church was bad enough I assure you, I feel so strongly for those in even more controlling 'churches'. You are so brave and inspiring!! Thank you thank you 💎
Same! The struggle is real.
Hmmm, odd & sad to hear. For me, the LDS church was my saving grace, I would most likely have been dead at a young age without it. It is all about loving families trying to do what is right, but with care & patience with sinners. Some families have abuse in them, in or out of the LDS church, it is a human thing, not promoted by any Christian church I know of.
@@longlifeprinters9 it might be sad, but you know full well it's not odd. The Church is hemorrhaging members- and stories like mine are commonplace.
@@longlifeprinters9Mate, the LDS Church has been haemorrhaging members for years. They church leaders in multiple temples have been accused and/or convicted of child abuse, they also hide domestic violence and sexual assault from police. The commenter’s story is far from uncommon, not a single person leaves LDS without trauma of some kind.
Can't wait for part 2! I would love the video you were talking about doing Amanda, this is so wild to me and I enjoy learning about the ins and outs, I think maybe because its so shocking all these people went along with it.
I would totally allow these collabs, it warms my heart to see folks on all sides coming together and healing in the process, you are dismantling the power of the old guys! Very important to so many people, you are making a huge impact ♥️
Yes please do a part 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 etc.. love hearing about this!
Can you three hookup with an AUB member and discuss their differences? I believe the Sister Wives Brown family are AUB. I tried reading about the differences on Wikipedia but those articles use too much Mormon terminology that is difficult to track for a non-Mormon. This video was fascinating. I love comparative religion, which this addressed as well.
I have a video with Leah who was a member of the AUB group :)
What does AUB mean?
Apostolic United brethren
South Park wasn't lying when they said Mormons are really friendly lol 😅
Cults. Religion is just the base for the lies.
Well... religions are lies, so...
Love all of you together! Glad you all have the support of each other and other former members.
I grew up, and am still, an "outsider". I live in TX. My paternal uncle, his wife & their 6 kids live in the Salt Lake area. This is all fascinating to me. I admire the work you are all doing. I know your honesty, courage & strength, is helping so many people. ✌️ ❤️
I've watched your channels separately for a while and have been curious about how your stories and experiences line up and also differ. I never imagined I'd see a collab! Thank you for doing this video! And--truly--thank you for being willing to share your stories. This is a vulnerable thing, and these stories are not owed to us. This is sacred. I'm grateful for the opportunity to be let into your lives, to listen and to learn from you.
OMG THE COLLAB WE DIDNT KNOW WE NEEDED
Honestly i almost had a heart attack when I opened youtube and saw you guys together LOL
Literally screamed yes bc I had the audacity to forget this video was coming!!!!!!
I love so much that you made a channel and continue to educate the world on these topics, after the show ended. This was so interesting to watch. Can’t wait for part 2!
Oh my gosh!!!! I’ve been asking them for this ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
The collaboration we NEEDED!
I am so glad you all met and had this video. More videos for us. Difference, but the outcome was the same. They were using scare tactics. Love you all and am so glad you are living your lives.
Yay!!! My 2 favorite "ex polygamist" youtubers!
That was exactly what I said when I saw this!!!! Soooo excited!!
You do realize there are 3 youtubers in the video right?
@@carlasuannelockett1694 you do realize only TWO of them were raised in polygamy
@@kimberlygamble6231 thank you. I was just gonna leave it lol
@@carlasuannelockett1694 I grew up in the south so I don’t know much about Mormons as a hole. Melissa is always the one that clears things up for me lol
I've been waiting for this collab! We need like a Pt 2 & 3!!
Love you and your videos Amanda!!!
Love YOUUU
@@TheAmandaRaeGrant ❤💕❤💕 you're so sweet for replying to your supporters! Amanda's a real one 💯
Definitely love Amanda. This is my sister's name also 🙏❤
So happy for this Collab… huge thank you for spitting out the gum!
It never fails to amaze me how religious groups become so insular, that they fail to see the history of power broking that is the true reason for splits. And as a result they are all adamant that they are "The One True Church" and the only ones going to the afterlife. You could do a similar video of Christian based religions. Fascinating to listen to you, and Melissa was absolutely correct in that she was right to sit in the middle of representatives of two break off groups as the "overlap". I look forward to part 2.
Two of my absolute favorite channels! Great video ❤️ hope you’re doing well Amanda!
I’m my opinion the mainstream LDS church is also a crazy cult but just fit into society better. They all stem from the same place…
and every other religion for that matter.
Yup
And that is just your opinion. And let me guess you are going off of how people are in Utah to form this opinion. The mainstream LDS church is world wide…
The mainstream lad church does have some cult like qualities, but it’s not a cult
What’s your definition of a cult?
Thank you so much for sharing I'm an ex-fundamentalist Christian and I'm just fascinated by the LDS and FLDS and other polygamist groups.
@@madelinef9438 still fascinating beliefs to me. Completely off the wall.
LDS do not believe in polygamy in fact we believe it is a sin
been hoping for this collab for ages!!!! love to see you three together. fingers crossed for more videos of y'all!
I'm so glad you guys did this!!! Can't wait to see more to come!! :)
YES THE COLLAB I NEEDED!!😍
Hello Amanda hello SAM and Melissa...I also follow them beautiful lovely souls
2011 is around the time the FLDS started the “United Order” thing. I left the FLDS in 2020 BTW.
Congratulations on your freedom. 🥰
You should message Sam and Melissa on their Instagram and collab with them. They love getting interviews and other points of view of people who were involved in the FLDS. You’re probably the most recent “escapee” that I have come across so I’m sure they’d have a lot of questions on current happenings there for you. Would love to hear your story, your insight and story of leaving. Hopefully you’re safe and at peace. I know leaving can be very stressful and lonely and you may have questions about just day to day outside things. Feel free to message me. Anytime. Happy to chat, help and be there. :)
@Lili Steed -Congrats on your leaving FLDS and may all your endeavors to overcome and flourish in life be blessed! After about 2 years, I'm sure you've already grown a great deal in knowledge and exploring life. I hope your experiences are more good than bad.
Woow this is a very interesting conversation as an Evangelical Christian I can’t imagines to live the way Amanda, and Sam lived since basically they were born. I was raised in a Evangelical household and what we are thought is to be free in the lord because he had paid for our sins polygamy is adultery and fornication that is a something totally prohibited in the Bible. It is beyond my imagination how brainwashed these poor people in these groups are by some individuals that seems that the only things they care is power, money, and sex .
God bless you Amanda for all you do I respect other people’s religion I certainly disagree with them theologically but I am glad that people like you are speaking out so with your help others from these groups can drop their blindfolds and find out that there are other ways outside polygamy .
This is such an interesting interview. All of you have such strength and positive energy. I applaud you all for escaping.
Great video!!! I’m so glad that so many people who have left can be friends and lean on each other!!!! 🥰
This collab never crossed my mind but I love both of y’all’s channels! Thanks loves!!
Same
I'm glad you came together to discuss the differences this may help people leave if they see it
omg this is everything, I could listen to you three talk all day!
I man I have been waiting for this. Week. I love all of the lightbulb moments between all y'all. See you Friday
A couple weeks ago I met someone from the Barlow family, I grew up 4 blocks away from them and walked past their house everyday for 6 years, on my way to school. I had heard rumors that they were polygamists but I didn't know it was true!
That cliffhanger ending though!! You’ve got me hooked on the cult drama! 😂
So great!! Thanks for collaborating! I love growing up in polygamy. So glad to find your channel too!
Whaaaaat?!?! as soon as I saw Sam and Melissa I clicked so fast!
Yay!!!!! I was so excited for this collab!!
The crossover that we didn't know we needed 😍 I love both of your channels! Thanks for sharing your experiences 🧡
NO WAY!!!!!!!! SO EXCITED FOR THIS COLLAB.
I have been waiting for this video ❤️
Oh yay! I have been watching both channels ! Very excited to watch ! :)
Yaaay! I logged onto TH-cam to finish another podcast I've been binging but I HAD to watch this first!
The crossover we never thought we needed but did
Heck yeah so excited about this collab!!!
Damn. I was like Wow than it cuts off. Lol. I will be waiting for part 2.
Very interesting convo!! Can’t wait for part 2
Yeah I have been waiting for you guys to do a video!!!!
Great video again, and nice to see you guys together. You all have loads in common. In a way all cults are connected somehow.
Yay!!!! I had high hopes y’all would do a colab!
Best video I ever saw. So interesting!! Thanks so much. Would love to see more.
Yayyy! This excited me maybe a little too much.☺️❤️
Woo boo I’ve been waiting for this one
Hoo I meant lol my bad
NO WAY!! Love the three of you!
When talking about being sent away for repentance I remembered the sad episode of the grandma who was being sent away and nobody even knew why
This was fantastic! I've wanted more of the female perspective on this world - and it was delivered.
I love watching your videos, I watched the tv show you were on and I’m so proud of you. I learn so much from you. I’ve really enjoyed watching you three and have learned so much about your different religions. Please do a part 2
We so appreciate your videos and I have followed you ex-Order girls from the beginning when the show started, so pls know that I think y’all are doing great things. I’m such in awe of all of you for sharing with us. This video is def getting a thumbs up, but please keep in mind that when you three start to connect on certain issues that y’all start talking so fast and not always completing your sentences (bc each of you know what you are talking about), BUT the listeners would like y’all to keep this in mind and after being excited about that particular issue(s) to then explain to us what y’all are talking about. Just my feedback.
My dream collaboration ♥️♥️
I like all 3 of you. I left Mormonism (mainstream Mormonism) in 2010. A friend in the church kind of knew I wanted to leave, and she helped me with the paperwork to get my name off the records. I had a mental illness, so they were very understanding. And my marriage didn't last more than a year and a half. It's hard to be an LDS woman with a civil divorce. It's easier on the men because of polygamy. I just so easily walked away and was thankful my parents never joined.
Fascinating.. I live in Australia and the mainstream LDS church is very small here
IM SO EXCITED TO WATCH THIS!!!!!!!!!
Thanks so much for explaining some of the leadership & how they think they got authority to do this whole society thing. That is probably the biggest question to find a true answer to. Though there are a lot of good teachings mixed in with a lot of bad ones too, "Ye shall know them by their fruit", I see a lot of rotten fruit there; not to disparage people for believing what they grew up being taught but, the ideals & decisions, they feel wrong.
I’m so excited that you guys did a team up!!
Omg, I'm so excited to watch this
Yes!!! Can we have more of these collabs , please?
Amazing video. Watching from London UK 🇬🇧
STOP IM SO EXCITED MY FAVS
I love this stories.. keep up! love to watch the LDS mainsteam..
Omg I love Sam and Melissa’s channel! This collab is fantastic!!
Ok. Whoever is the editor is goooood. LOL. Great place to stop for a cliffhanger. Tomorrow is not coming fast enough. LOL Thank you for sharing y'alls life stories and histories. It is very interesting.
I would love to learn more about race relations in the different groups. I am Black and always wondered.
Gooood question!
Omg 3 of my faves!💜💜💜💜
Great video. Thank you.
Love this combination - and let me just say - you all are BEAUTIFUL
you all have such great bone structure, maybe even helped by the generations of intermingling? lool
it was super interesting hearing you guys unpack the history from insider's prospectives!! thank you for sharing
Very interesting .. ..
My best childhood friend was Mormon.. I thought it was a club '
And always thought it was weird that they had ( can't remember what they called them , buildings right next to public schools for kids to worship . .. very ingrained .. this was the late 60's early 70's ..
Yessssss this is awesome !!
It's interesting to hear your stories. Melissa, I never really had a "shelf crash", I just didn't want to practice Mormonism anymore. My mom is a non-practicing Catholic.
Could you see if Caroline Jessop would be able to come on? She was an early pioneer in her exit and many were inspired to leave because of her bravery, super brave woman there!
I was so happy about this video!! My dream
Came true ♥️😭
Oh wow! Amanda asked great questions & knew more information (of course).
Love hearing about both the cults you came from. Love both of your videos.
Deciding to leave on the spur of the moment is crazy.
Amazing video it’s great that you all got together love to see more you guys are awesome 💕
This was interesting. I wish them all the best!!!!!
Question: did either of the groups vote? Like was voting encouraged/discouraged/not talked about/only certain people could or was the group just a very powerful voting block? What was the situation like? I am so curious!
I’m happy to hear y’all might continue to collab! I love learning about the seemingly endless variations of organized religion/high control groups.
I remember in some interviews with young FLDS girls they said they didn’t even know who the president was let alone vote. Is this common? I would think that voting in local elections would be important for protecting the group?
I love the video ! I miss your tv show on Lifetime!
Fascinating!!
We were all one religion until polygamy was banned. I’m related to all the Barlows in the FLDS.
the last few braincells remaining after watching this video just vaporized at 32:46. SMH my brain literally fell into pieces.