By not holding their son accountable and shielding him from consequences, Jim Bob and Michelle picked his "well-being" over their daughters and his future victims. One of the saddest parts is watching the clip of Jim Bob and Michelle speaking at a conference and making light of the Josh situation by highlighting how many other families were in their situation. And them not realizing how Fed up that is.
Actually, JB & Michelle unduly pressured 2 older daughters to say on another program that the molestations were not so bad. The daughters were worth so much less than a son. And the money & prestige meant victims were expendable.
One small thing...the Duggars didn't intentionally stop having kids after the terrifying birth of her last surviving child, Josie. Josie has health issues and delays to this day. But they actually announced and then lost #20, and then after that couldn't have any more because she hit menopause. Basically, it was biology that told them to stop, not sanity. Just like they would never get their son help for his obvious sex addiction. He molested his sisters and a family friend, often during Bible study; he has admitted to a porn addiction; he cheated on his young, pregnant wife using Ashley Madison and made the other woman feel as if the encounter qualified as rape; and is in prison for child porn so vile that the agent who went through the material said it was in the top 5 worst things he's ever seen. This family is run by two monsters, and they're doing their damnedest to make sure they raise monsters as well. Thankfully, Jill and Jinger are out, and hopefully they will recruit others to leave the cult.
Totally agree with you except one fact with Jinger is that she’s not really out. Many believe she just traded one cult for another because she’s part of Grace Community Church in California where her husband Jeremy is a pastor or studying to be a pastor. All you have to do is Google Grace to see all of the allegations of abuse and the treatment of women that have been reported by many. It actually seems very similar to the IBLP, and just because women can wear pants, it doesn’t mean it’s that different.
I remember thinking when Michelle was pregnant with #20 that that baby will be her last because she was in her mid 40s by then. Sadly, that baby was stillborn (named Jubilee if memory serves). I didn't really watch the show but if I was clicking channels, ended up catching an episode or two but mostly read about them on the news.
@@alyrios - I don’t recall the baby being stillborn. Michelle had gone in for an ultrasound & was told there was no heartbeat. This was still early in her pregnancy, but I don’t remember if the doctors did a D & C or she actually had to have labor induced. I think she was 19 or 20 weeks pregnant.
@@liseklerekoper2441 I don't know if the baby was stillborn or not (I am not a doctor), but she was delivered or something, because I recall seeing a picture of Michelle's hand holding the baby's hand (teeny tiny hand) and that is a picture they used for the eulogy or something and there was some backlash about it. And I do remember they named the baby Jubilee.
@@alyrios - i’m sure you’re right about that so she must’ve been well into her second trimester, which means she had to actually deliver the baby who no longer had a heartbeat. I didn’t watch every episode and never saw that part, so thank you for clarifying.
You are such a beautiful person Amanda, inside and out! I was adopted when I was two days old, my adoptive sister (25 years older than me, married with 3 kids at the time) actually had a total of 10 kids (5 of each) no twins. We were Jehovah's Witnesses. I was disfellowshiped (kicked out) just before I was 17 for fornication and rebelliousness. Needless to say, I lost my entire family and had to figure out my path without them. I was raised very sheltered with all of the strict rules of the religion, but I was a rebellious little shit and figured out ways to "buck the system" beginning in elementary school (my friends would hide the birthday/holiday treats in my desk for me and I would eat them after school even though I was not supposed to have them at all). I started making excuses as to why I could not go to meetings (church) around 15 or 16, studying for tests, homework, ect..and then when my "worldly and sinful" relationship was discovered, and I would not apologize to the elders so they could take my repentance before God, I was disfellowshipped (shunned). I was finally free, and I NEVER looked back. I still was able to have a relationship with my mother due to the fact that she was elderly and needed assistance with doctor appointments and shopping so we were able to find that loop hole. I always respected her choice in staying in the religion, but we still found a way to have a special relationship (I was her cabbage patch kid after all....my verbage, not hers) My sister and a couple of her kids and their families are still active, but they are all still close because they either did not get baptized or they have just kind of faded but not done anything to get kicked out. I am 50 now, I still have sadness at times from missing out on my family but I have made a new family and am no longer trapped in what I consider a cult. The saying of "Freedom isn't free" doesn't just apply to the military and our rights; it means that freedom comes at a cost and sometimes that cost is very painful....but you must do what you have to do for yourself and for your future. YOU are a beacon to those from your "community" and many others, keep shining!
Thank you for sharing this💜 I am sorry you had to go through so much so fast. I completely understand that feeling of sadness at times due to missing out on your family. Some days I feel fine and others It feels like I lost them all over again. I have to remind myself what type of hell I would have had to endure just to be accepted by my family. I am so proud of you for how far you have come. You are inspiring me💜 thank you so much for the love and support that you have shown 💜 I appreciate you 💜
Ma'am Jehovah's witnesses aren't a cult your not force to join either how dare u compare that to a cult and btw I'm not a Jehovah witness but have study before but have plenty family that are tho smh if it wasn't for u cool but no need to compare it to a cult wow smh
Jen’s review of the documentary is AWSOME. Of course they chose Jen over WACB. If you were a project manager, who would you want to work with? Jen or Katie Joy? The answer is Jen.
It's incredibly validating to hear you break down the IBLP and relate it to the Order. I was not a direct member, but a ton of christian fundamentalism shares ideology with the IBLP, my mom even bought some of his school books when I was growing up... and my mom worshiped the Duggar's *barf*. She wanted all of her daughters to be exactly like the Duggar girls. For you to say it's messed up really makes me feel better XD thank you, Amanda! Definitely would enjoy a 2nd video covering Shiny Happy People
Just letting you know that even if all 7 billion people could stand side by side in LA doesn't mean we aren't overpopulated. It's more about having enough food and water for all those people and also nature.
also the wealthiest few overconsuming resources, including billionaires, multimillionaires, and most of all, corporations. Corporations owned by the billionaires that always go over their water use allowance per the state and have bigger carbon footprints than entire large democracies (Taylor Swift's carbon footprint from just jet fuel is larger than the entire country of India's).
overpopulation is definitely a myth, but resource management problems are very real. there are other reasons why we can’t support the masses of people and it comes down to wealth hoarding
I’m an IBLP survivor. My family was in from the time I was 13-22. I ran away at 22, because that was my only way out. It’s absolutely true though- no one wakes up one morning and decides to join a cult. People in cults will fight tooth and nail to prove to you they’re not in one. I used to do the same.
Bobbie Holt and her daughter got a protective order against Jim Holt sometime after filming this documentary. Apparently it lasts 10 yrs, which is rare.
I’m so glad u covered the duggars. I have been saying we need to let these TLC CULT MEMBERS fight to the death. Jim on Duggar vs Cody Brown. Warren Jeff’s vs bill gothard. We sell tickets to help survivors.
I’m fascinated that from your perspective, you can see how similar these cults are. I’m from the same cult as Shiny Happy People and the FIRST time I began to question my own cult was from reading the biographies of FLDS survivors! I started to see so many similarities. It was eye-opening! You’re so right! You don’t know that you’re in a high control, religious, fear-based cult when you’re in it! Once I finished several FLDS biographies, I knew there were too many similarities and I needed to start a journey to discover real truth. You never know who you might reach with your story…even people in cults that are not your own. Your strength is amazing! 💜
Poor Jill didn't want what happened to her public & it's heartbreaking how her and her sisters were blamed for it. I'm so glad she ended up with a supportive husband.
Thanks for your perspective. I watched Sam and Melissa's reaction as well as Jen's reaction on Fundie Fridays. I was a victim of religion as well. so happy we all got out.
Please do a part 2! Your thoughts, insight, and commentary are very much appreciated. Also, I must add that your sense of humor is literal gold. Gold. And, I could go on for hours regarding the whole men/women roles (abuse) such cults are obsessed with, and that I've dealt with in my own religious upbringing, which had some cult qualities. Makes. Me. Livid. A few days ago I was ranting to my mom about the whole "making men stumble" thing and referred to the eye gouging scripture, too. Facts.
A weird story about how physical abuse in childhood can stick throughout adulthood: 50+ years after the abuse, the emotional pain has leached out ... but I can see my mother's face as she was choking me with crystal clarity, 20+ years after her death, 30+ years after the last time I saw her. Trauma causes indelible memory, and thank god it does. Without it, we'd have to rely on our relatives.
Every single video I watch of Amanda, I find myself agreeing with all she says. But I also find myself AMAZED with how well spoken, insightful and articulate she is!!! Especially considering her background. It’s so impressive she has the most amazing introspection to all of these issues. So very mature . What a beautiful advocate, Amanda is!! Keep using your voice!! We hear you! 💯🥰
I truly appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts, feelings, and perspective! Of all the commentaries I have watched/listened to, I believe your perspective is more valuable because you come from lived experience. Well done, Amanda! I would like to hear your thoughts on the rest of the docuseries. Thank you.
Thanks for your perspective on this series. I grew up Catholic and while there is a lot of shame if you live with your partner unmarried, I find so much about the mormon and LDS/FLDS experience shocking. Glad you, Sam, and many others are now out
Everything about these cults just proves how powerful they KNOW women are. Women bring life into the world. Women raise the children, basically on their own. Women clothe and feed the men. And women are SO powerful that these poor little weak “men” can’t even control themselves if they see a woman’s body. They admit, through alllll of their rules, just how weak they are. You’re such an amazing, strong af woman, Amanda!!!! 💪😆😎💜 They know that. That’s why they fear you. Idk how I ended up going down this rabbit hole, but I’m completely fascinated by your family, and the powerful members that have left the group. Y’all are really incredible people. ☺️
I'm fighting back tears. I'm so sorry you went through that @AmandaRae. It breaks my heart. You seem like such a sweetheart and you don't deserve to have to deal with those horrible memories. We ❤ you and we are here to support you 💯.
I live in the same county as the Duggars and grew up as Southern Baptist. My family wasn't as strict by any means. But I do appreciate all these channels that have come out and are telling the truth about these cults.
“Gouge your eyes out right now, I’ll wait.” Best comment ever! I also love how you Segway your wrap up with asking for the closing prayer. I often finish a rant by saying “in the name Jesus Christ, amen.”
I just watched Davey Jackson who was part of the IBLP as a kid, talking about Shiny Happy People. Best I heard yet about the "leader" Bill Gothard...aka Bill Got Hard . There is so much sickness with this organization. I want them to get taken down so badly. I have been impacted by religions a profound psychologically damaging way and am so thankful this is coming to light. It's still triggering to hear about all of this.
Wow! You hit the nail on the head. I beat you because I love you. You have no idea how often I heard that and as an adult equated pain with love. I'm thrice divorced because I kept choosing the same abusive men; they just had different faces. I am so glad I found your channel. I'm not happy that I tossed my cookies after hearing you say it, though, because I totally heard my father's voice when you said it, and he's been gone a long time. I had no idea it still triggered me.
My parents were Evangelicsl Christian missionaries. Needless to say, purity culture was huge for me growing up. As a teenager, I became very conscious and strict about dressing modestly. I loosened up on that as an adult. It's only in recent years that I've begun to question purity culture and realize how icky it is. I'm still Christian, so I'm trying to reconcile my beliefs vs. what I was taught.
Hi- I think the purity thing is one of the most dangerous aspects of these high demand organizations- think about it- it’s not just sexual purity- it can also be racial and ethnic purity as in the case of Hitler. The natural world and the universe are diverse by nature. Diversity ensures that species continue to adapt and evolve. The push for purity goes against the nature of life itself. To turn something that not only continues the species but also, in humans and some other animals, forms deep and potentially lasting connections among members of the species into a crime (sin) just goes against the principles of life itself. Not to mention the torment it perpetuates.
So much better with the new mic! I love your combi of educational/awareness rising and fun/silliness, but was struggling with the sound before. Now so much nicer
First of all I love your humor…you crack me up. Second, I didn’t grow up in as extreme of a cult as you or the Duggars but I was raised Independent Fundamental Baptist and my jaw was on the floor with some of the things they talked about that the IBLP lived by because I was like whoa…that was my life!! Sooo…creepy! But I think these documentaries and people like you who are bringing light to these spaces is so incredibly important, so thank you!
Those poor girls were so afraid of leaving yet after they got married jil strated standing up for herself but then got stabbed in the back by her family even though her parents say we still love all their kids but yet you don't find her any where in the pictures anymore.
Yep, pretty much shunned her. She is the one that told on Josh SA. Jim Bob and Michelle didn't support their daughters who were SA by Josh. Jim Bob didn't pay his kids to be on the show ( made him millions). Then there is the whole contract that he got them to sign to be on show longer and not getting paid. He took advantage of her (and others), and she finally stood up for herself. He didn't like that. Jim Bob doesn't let her come to the house (shunning). I don't think her and JB talk at all. Since announced she was writing a book, her brother Jed likes comments against her (book and maybe more not sure) on social media. He didn't do that for Jingers book. It's got to be hard for her, but she is better off without them in the long run. Maybe someday other kids will leave the cult and have a relationship with her.
Yes, please address the remaining episodes in this documentary. Appearances can be deceiving. The Duggar tv shows were about as real as a Disney movie. What kind of parents emotionally break their young children, refuse to educate them, devalue all girls further, make them sign "contracts", force them to raise their siblings while still children themselves, use them as unpaid child labor a lot, then force them to continue working for them while denying them any money as grown married adults??? This is horrible, abusive parenting. We can only hope the children break with the cult & start lives of their own while getting counseling to recover. Cults suck. So does the Discovery channel & IBLP.
Thank you Dianna I just love Amanda in her videos. She talks like you’re right there in her room sitting there visiting like friends. It makes it easier to listen to her and relate to what she’s saying. Good video
It’s giving therapy session, comedy show, podcast, history lesson, religion analysis…and i love that for all of us. Love listening to to share your story and opinion. ❤
Amanda you are so cute lol I laughed out loud listening to this and I’m at work packing boxes lol haven’t watched in a while. But very glad I came back for this one!
Wonderful lady. Thank you so much for your show. I’ve loved & benefitted from it. I love your funny, sassy personality. I’d like to see you attempting tutorials, unrelated to the cult, as well. Also tours, vlogs of you exploring cities or businesses (cafes, entertainment attractions, new sports). I’d also enjoy vlogs of you doing things unrelated to the religion.
I have been binging your content after rediscovering you and you’re a damn inspiration and a warrior of a woman. I also love your humor, it reminds me of how I deal with my own personal traumas coping with humor and sometimes you’ve gotten me into such a laughing fit especially the short where you were talking about the people that have that brain wavelength to directly reach Jesus and that’s why they’re going bald and ma’am I am still not over that 😅
Woooooo!!! For the new microphone!!! Sounds great. Thanks for upgrading. Also I'm down to hear moreee. It's always fascinating seeing cross-cult comparisons
That thing with the umbrella is taught in the IBLP. They call it, "The Umbrella of Authority". It is a major tenet of their beliefs and teachings. They also suggest that, if one strays from the umbrella of authority, one is exposing oneself to great danger and risk, where one could easily be harmed, and might succumb to the bowls of Hell.
New subscriber here. Have been busy binge watching and absolutely love your channel. So sorry to hear of your past traumas but so grateful that you are safe and free now 💙 With love from 🇦🇺
Love hearing your perspective! I watched Shiny Happy People in one sitting and if really opened my eyes. I knew the IBLP was a cult ever since the new broke about Josh am years ago (and it was covered up my the family and the group). BUT, I did watch the show at first and just thought it was a conservative Christian family at the time. Looking back I’m so happy they cancelled the show, because as a Christian myself, I can EASILY see that the IBLP is not Christianity. It’s a cult. But to non-Christian’s, they are the Duggers claiming Christianity, and then they think all Christianity is like that, which could not be farther from the truth! So appreciate you sharing your experience and comparing to the order!
Ma and Pa Duggar were of the opinion that Josh wasn't exhibition predatory behavior with his sisters. They said he was just "curious." Of course, that was just the tip of the iceberg.
I thought about the Order and the FLDS the whole time I was watching Shiny Happy People. There are so, so many similarities. I watched 19 Kids and Counting for years the same way I would watch a horror movie. There was absolutely no doubt in my mind that the lives of especially those women and girls were filled with abuse and trauma. I'm so glad Jill and Jinger are out, but I wish more would join them.
I watched part of one episode when it was on. I thought JimBob was a perv, Michelle weird breeder, and kids were watching the kids. I had no idea what I was watching and it found sick. Yeah, no doubt something was going on. I watched a number of TH-cam videos about them after Josh's arrest. BTW, I watched one episode of Duck Dynasty and got sick feeling about them too. Something didn't seem right there either.
@@capb6379 I don’t know where you got that idea but that’s not at all true she got pregnant for the first time almost 2 years into their marriage because she was using birth control pills that’s a huge part of their story
@@capb6379 Jinger was married November 5, 2016; her first child was born on July 19, 2018. The daughter to face the most scrutiny regarding the timing of her pregnancy/birth was Joy, and it's still theoretically possible that they conceived on their wedding night or that they broke their rules prior to marriage. Either way, Jinger went on birth control at marriage.
I don’t understand why we as a society in general think it’s ok to physically hurt children in the name of “discipline,” when it’s unthinkable in ANY other type of relationship. Hit your wife, teacher, friend, etc it’s assault.
I binged this too. I never saw the show but this documentary was very informative. It's heartbreaking that religion is used to prey on people. Thank you for sharing and being so real.
scrolling thru fb on my phone while watching n at 26:51 i swear on everything a Eeyore meme come up (im not a winnie the pooh fan or anything) and it says "the thing is, Eeyore was chronically depressed but his friends never left him out. they never expected him to b happy on their adventures. they loved him for who he was and never left him behind" just thought it was a cute coincidence
My kids are both grown. They were taught bodily autonomy and consent from birth. They were also taught anatomy and sexuality using age appropriate materials (highly recommend „It’s Perfectly Normal“) and both of them were virgin until adulthood. I don’t know if they still are, although given one child is asexual they probably are. But it is none of my business so long as everyone consents. As I told them as teens, I don’t sleep in your bed, so whom you sleep with is none of my business unless there is a consent issue.
Thank you for the recommendation of “It’s perfectly normal” my son just asked me where babies come from lol. It caught me completely off guard and I tried explaining and the questions kept coming so this book really helped
@@KimmySemak They do some other books too. I kept a copy of all the books in my public library even after my kids got their own copy. That way if one of their friends needed to they could discreetly borrow it and read it without anyone knowing.
Hey Girl!! I was waiting to see if Ud have anything to say about this Docuseries , Yeah I watched it straight thru also, I felt so bad for Jill ❤ I hope ALL is good Ur way beautiful!! Much love frm Florida 🩷🌴🌴🩷
I loved hearing your thoughts on this. I didn't even think to equate your cult with IBLP but it makes sense. I also had to look away during the demo with the kid. I was sick to my stomach.
FUN FACT ABOUT ME. I was working on the strip club and saw Josh Duggar there the night he beat the porn star up. She was working as a featured performer at my club that weekend.
She didn’t stop after Josie (#19). She was told to stop, the doctor told them on camera to stop. They said ok in the office, but then immediately cuts to a confessional of them saying, “We think we can have one more. Doctors don’t tell us when to stop having kids, God does.” Baby #20 was miscarried after a few months. A baby girl named Jubilee that Michelle delivered and they had a funeral for on air.
Amanda, thank you for talking about all of this. My mother was 15 when she was forced to get pregnant with me. and birth me against her will. I don't think we talk about what this does to these women and the children. What I hate the most is the narrative that if we :don't talk about it" the shit somehow goes away. It doesn't, it just festers until it harms everyone around you.
She actually didnt stop at 19. Josie #19 was born extremely early & had a ton of health issues. She soon after got pregnant with #20 & ended up losing that baby a few months in. They named it Jubalee. She then hit monopause so she physically could not have anymore. Nothing about them is "I make good judgements".
IF IT WASN`T FOR TLCPAYING FOR THEIR HOME THEY WOULD STILL BE LIVING IN THE HOVEL THEY WERE ALL SQUASHED INTO! IF CPS WAS ON THEIR JOB SOME OF THOSE KIDS WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED JUST FROM OVER CROWDING ALONE!
By not holding their son accountable and shielding him from consequences, Jim Bob and Michelle picked his "well-being" over their daughters and his future victims.
One of the saddest parts is watching the clip of Jim Bob and Michelle speaking at a conference and making light of the Josh situation by highlighting how many other families were in their situation. And them not realizing how Fed up that is.
patriarchal Cults always seem to value their sons more than their daughters
Actually, JB & Michelle unduly pressured 2 older daughters to say on another program that the molestations were not so bad. The daughters were worth so much less than a son. And the money & prestige meant victims were expendable.
It is honestly shocking how much it happens and how often the women are blamed for it. :( so glad it is all coming to light now.
@AmandaLovesRachel sorry I am new but what name of cult you came from sorry just new to your channel
@@jamesisaacson6379he was in the Order, otherwise known as Kingston
One small thing...the Duggars didn't intentionally stop having kids after the terrifying birth of her last surviving child, Josie. Josie has health issues and delays to this day. But they actually announced and then lost #20, and then after that couldn't have any more because she hit menopause. Basically, it was biology that told them to stop, not sanity. Just like they would never get their son help for his obvious sex addiction. He molested his sisters and a family friend, often during Bible study; he has admitted to a porn addiction; he cheated on his young, pregnant wife using Ashley Madison and made the other woman feel as if the encounter qualified as rape; and is in prison for child porn so vile that the agent who went through the material said it was in the top 5 worst things he's ever seen. This family is run by two monsters, and they're doing their damnedest to make sure they raise monsters as well. Thankfully, Jill and Jinger are out, and hopefully they will recruit others to leave the cult.
Totally agree with you except one fact with Jinger is that she’s not really out. Many believe she just traded one cult for another because she’s part of Grace Community Church in California where her husband Jeremy is a pastor or studying to be a pastor. All you have to do is Google Grace to see all of the allegations of abuse and the treatment of women that have been reported by many. It actually seems very similar to the IBLP, and just because women can wear pants, it doesn’t mean it’s that different.
I remember thinking when Michelle was pregnant with #20 that that baby will be her last because she was in her mid 40s by then. Sadly, that baby was stillborn (named Jubilee if memory serves). I didn't really watch the show but if I was clicking channels, ended up catching an episode or two but mostly read about them on the news.
@@alyrios - I don’t recall the baby being stillborn. Michelle had gone in for an ultrasound & was told there was no heartbeat. This was still early in her pregnancy, but I don’t remember if the doctors did a D & C or she actually had to have labor induced. I think she was 19 or 20 weeks pregnant.
@@liseklerekoper2441 I don't know if the baby was stillborn or not (I am not a doctor), but she was delivered or something, because I recall seeing a picture of Michelle's hand holding the baby's hand (teeny tiny hand) and that is a picture they used for the eulogy or something and there was some backlash about it. And I do remember they named the baby Jubilee.
@@alyrios - i’m sure you’re right about that so she must’ve been well into her second trimester, which means she had to actually deliver the baby who no longer had a heartbeat. I didn’t watch every episode and never saw that part, so thank you for clarifying.
You are such a beautiful person Amanda, inside and out! I was adopted when I was two days old, my adoptive sister (25 years older than me, married with 3 kids at the time) actually had a total of 10 kids (5 of each) no twins. We were Jehovah's Witnesses. I was disfellowshiped (kicked out) just before I was 17 for fornication and rebelliousness. Needless to say, I lost my entire family and had to figure out my path without them. I was raised very sheltered with all of the strict rules of the religion, but I was a rebellious little shit and figured out ways to "buck the system" beginning in elementary school (my friends would hide the birthday/holiday treats in my desk for me and I would eat them after school even though I was not supposed to have them at all). I started making excuses as to why I could not go to meetings (church) around 15 or 16, studying for tests, homework, ect..and then when my "worldly and sinful" relationship was discovered, and I would not apologize to the elders so they could take my repentance before God, I was disfellowshipped (shunned). I was finally free, and I NEVER looked back. I still was able to have a relationship with my mother due to the fact that she was elderly and needed assistance with doctor appointments and shopping so we were able to find that loop hole. I always respected her choice in staying in the religion, but we still found a way to have a special relationship (I was her cabbage patch kid after all....my verbage, not hers) My sister and a couple of her kids and their families are still active, but they are all still close because they either did not get baptized or they have just kind of faded but not done anything to get kicked out. I am 50 now, I still have sadness at times from missing out on my family but I have made a new family and am no longer trapped in what I consider a cult. The saying of "Freedom isn't free" doesn't just apply to the military and our rights; it means that freedom comes at a cost and sometimes that cost is very painful....but you must do what you have to do for yourself and for your future. YOU are a beacon to those from your "community" and many others, keep shining!
Thank you for sharing this💜 I am sorry you had to go through so much so fast. I completely understand that feeling of sadness at times due to missing out on your family. Some days I feel fine and others It feels like I lost them all over again. I have to remind myself what type of hell I would have had to endure just to be accepted by my family.
I am so proud of you for how far you have come. You are inspiring me💜 thank you so much for the love and support that you have shown 💜 I appreciate you 💜
Ma'am Jehovah's witnesses aren't a cult your not force to join either how dare u compare that to a cult and btw I'm not a Jehovah witness but have study before but have plenty family that are tho smh if it wasn't for u cool but no need to compare it to a cult wow smh
Also the documentary crew reached out to Jenn from Fundie Fridays! I think she was a great outside source to discuss the Duggars.
Jen’s review of the documentary is AWSOME.
Of course they chose Jen over WACB. If you were a project manager, who would you want to work with? Jen or Katie Joy? The answer is Jen.
@@DarkbutNotsinister Idk how anyone works with KJ. All she does is lie
Girl those are the best kinda beds ~ there called floor beds..., LoL 😆 just lovinit !.!.!
You go girl
Katie Joy also claimed to have been contacted.
Thankyou. Well delivered absolute truth!
It's incredibly validating to hear you break down the IBLP and relate it to the Order. I was not a direct member, but a ton of christian fundamentalism shares ideology with the IBLP, my mom even bought some of his school books when I was growing up... and my mom worshiped the Duggar's *barf*. She wanted all of her daughters to be exactly like the Duggar girls. For you to say it's messed up really makes me feel better XD thank you, Amanda! Definitely would enjoy a 2nd video covering Shiny Happy People
Just letting you know that even if all 7 billion people could stand side by side in LA doesn't mean we aren't overpopulated. It's more about having enough food and water for all those people and also nature.
also the wealthiest few overconsuming resources, including billionaires, multimillionaires, and most of all, corporations. Corporations owned by the billionaires that always go over their water use allowance per the state and have bigger carbon footprints than entire large democracies (Taylor Swift's carbon footprint from just jet fuel is larger than the entire country of India's).
overpopulation is definitely a myth, but resource management problems are very real. there are other reasons why we can’t support the masses of people and it comes down to wealth hoarding
I'm glad someone commented this. She had some genuine questions there 😅
I’m an IBLP survivor. My family was in from the time I was 13-22. I ran away at 22, because that was my only way out. It’s absolutely true though- no one wakes up one morning and decides to join a cult. People in cults will fight tooth and nail to prove to you they’re not in one. I used to do the same.
Absolutely! Boys need to be raised to be responsible for their own actions!!
Bobbie Holt and her daughter got a protective order against Jim Holt sometime after filming this documentary. Apparently it lasts 10 yrs, which is rare.
Her son but yes: very shocking
@@RWorley3sl thank you for the correction.
I googled it and it said it was her husband. Does anyone know if he’s her husband or son ?
I’m so glad u covered the duggars. I have been saying we need to let these TLC CULT MEMBERS fight to the death. Jim on Duggar vs Cody Brown. Warren Jeff’s vs bill gothard. We sell tickets to help survivors.
I’m fascinated that from your perspective, you can see how similar these cults are. I’m from the same cult as Shiny Happy People and the FIRST time I began to question my own cult was from reading the biographies of FLDS survivors! I started to see so many similarities. It was eye-opening! You’re so right! You don’t know that you’re in a high control, religious, fear-based cult when you’re in it! Once I finished several FLDS biographies, I knew there were too many similarities and I needed to start a journey to discover real truth.
You never know who you might reach with your story…even people in cults that are not your own. Your strength is amazing! 💜
Poor Jill didn't want what happened to her public & it's heartbreaking how her and her sisters were blamed for it. I'm so glad she ended up with a supportive husband.
Agree. I can’t wait for her book to come out. I’m interested in her perspective of all this. I’m so glad she got out from her controlling father.
"I Could Help,
But I Think I'll Pray"
WE NEED MERCH 😂
Thanks for your perspective. I watched Sam and Melissa's reaction as well as Jen's reaction on Fundie Fridays. I was a victim of religion as well. so happy we all got out.
If you’re interested Liz Hunter grew up in IBLP and she posted a reaction to the first episode.
We love you Amanda 🤪🙋🏼♀️ Thanks for staying consistent with us & your content. We appreciate you!!!
Please do a part 2! Your thoughts, insight, and commentary are very much appreciated. Also, I must add that your sense of humor is literal gold. Gold. And, I could go on for hours regarding the whole men/women roles (abuse) such cults are obsessed with, and that I've dealt with in my own religious upbringing, which had some cult qualities. Makes. Me. Livid. A few days ago I was ranting to my mom about the whole "making men stumble" thing and referred to the eye gouging scripture, too. Facts.
A weird story about how physical abuse in childhood can stick throughout adulthood: 50+ years after the abuse, the emotional pain has leached out ... but I can see my mother's face as she was choking me with crystal clarity, 20+ years after her death, 30+ years after the last time I saw her. Trauma causes indelible memory, and thank god it does. Without it, we'd have to rely on our relatives.
Great episode! Never watched you before! You are right on so many things..and I'm sorry for what you have been through...
Every single video I watch of Amanda, I find myself agreeing with all she says. But I also find myself AMAZED with how well spoken, insightful and articulate she is!!! Especially considering her background. It’s so impressive she has the most amazing introspection to all of these issues. So very mature . What a beautiful advocate, Amanda is!! Keep using your voice!! We hear you! 💯🥰
I truly appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts, feelings, and perspective! Of all the commentaries I have watched/listened to, I believe your perspective is more valuable because you come from lived experience. Well done, Amanda!
I would like to hear your thoughts on the rest of the docuseries. Thank you.
😂😂😂 You're such a genuinely entertaining and bright young lady. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying thank you for being you! ❤❤
Thanks for your perspective on this series. I grew up Catholic and while there is a lot of shame if you live with your partner unmarried, I find so much about the mormon and LDS/FLDS experience shocking. Glad you, Sam, and many others are now out
Ashley Madison while his wife was pregnant, but his wife was always pregnant until he went to jail, lol.
Now she gets a few years off.
Yes I’m so glad you made a video on this!!!!! So excited to hear your take. Haven’t watched yet but I had to comment cause I’m so excited.
Everything about these cults just proves how powerful they KNOW women are. Women bring life into the world. Women raise the children, basically on their own. Women clothe and feed the men. And women are SO powerful that these poor little weak “men” can’t even control themselves if they see a woman’s body. They admit, through alllll of their rules, just how weak they are. You’re such an amazing, strong af woman, Amanda!!!! 💪😆😎💜 They know that. That’s why they fear you.
Idk how I ended up going down this rabbit hole, but I’m completely fascinated by your family, and the powerful members that have left the group. Y’all are really incredible people. ☺️
More please! Girl, you crack me up! Let's end in prayer 🙏😉
Makes me wonder the secrets behind sister wives- they had a PR team and network protecting them too.
I'm fighting back tears. I'm so sorry you went through that @AmandaRae. It breaks my heart. You seem like such a sweetheart and you don't deserve to have to deal with those horrible memories. We ❤ you and we are here to support you 💯.
I live in the same county as the Duggars and grew up as Southern Baptist. My family wasn't as strict by any means. But I do appreciate all these channels that have come out and are telling the truth about these cults.
I love watching you. And your attitude and your awareness of cults. Thank you
12:20 she didn’t decide to stop having kids, she got pregnant with a 20th but miscarried
Her body hit menopause and wouldn't support any more pregnancies
“Gouge your eyes out right now, I’ll wait.” Best comment ever! I also love how you Segway your wrap up with asking for the closing prayer. I often finish a rant by saying “in the name Jesus Christ, amen.”
I just watched Davey Jackson who was part of the IBLP as a kid, talking about Shiny Happy People. Best I heard yet about the "leader" Bill Gothard...aka Bill Got Hard . There is so much sickness with this organization. I want them to get taken down so badly. I have been impacted by religions a profound psychologically damaging way and am so thankful this is coming to light. It's still triggering to hear about all of this.
Wow! You hit the nail on the head. I beat you because I love you. You have no idea how often I heard that and as an adult equated pain with love. I'm thrice divorced because I kept choosing the same abusive men; they just had different faces. I am so glad I found your channel. I'm not happy that I tossed my cookies after hearing you say it, though, because I totally heard my father's voice when you said it, and he's been gone a long time. I had no idea it still triggered me.
Oh god I feel like I’ve missed so much while I’ve been in Poland and I miss the culty crew so much. Can’t wait for CCC tomorrow!!!! Ahhhhhh!!!! 💗💗💗
I agree you have you need to join our zoom meetings now that you are back ❤
My parents were Evangelicsl Christian missionaries. Needless to say, purity culture was huge for me growing up. As a teenager, I became very conscious and strict about dressing modestly. I loosened up on that as an adult. It's only in recent years that I've begun to question purity culture and realize how icky it is. I'm still Christian, so I'm trying to reconcile my beliefs vs. what I was taught.
Hi- I think the purity thing is one of the most dangerous aspects of these high demand organizations- think about it- it’s not just sexual purity- it can also be racial and ethnic purity as in the case of Hitler. The natural world and the universe are diverse by nature. Diversity ensures that species continue to adapt and evolve. The push for purity goes against the nature of life itself. To turn something that not only continues the species but also, in humans and some other animals, forms deep and potentially lasting connections among members of the species into a crime (sin) just goes against the principles of life itself. Not to mention the torment it perpetuates.
So much better with the new mic! I love your combi of educational/awareness rising and fun/silliness, but was struggling with the sound before. Now so much nicer
First of all I love your humor…you crack me up. Second, I didn’t grow up in as extreme of a cult as you or the Duggars but I was raised Independent Fundamental Baptist and my jaw was on the floor with some of the things they talked about that the IBLP lived by because I was like whoa…that was my life!! Sooo…creepy! But I think these documentaries and people like you who are bringing light to these spaces is so incredibly important, so thank you!
Those poor girls were so afraid of leaving yet after they got married jil strated standing up for herself but then got stabbed in the back by her family even though her parents say we still love all their kids but yet you don't find her any where in the pictures anymore.
Yep, pretty much shunned her. She is the one that told on Josh SA. Jim Bob and Michelle didn't support their daughters who were SA by Josh. Jim Bob didn't pay his kids to be on the show ( made him millions). Then there is the whole contract that he got them to sign to be on show longer and not getting paid. He took advantage of her (and others), and she finally stood up for herself. He didn't like that. Jim Bob doesn't let her come to the house (shunning). I don't think her and JB talk at all. Since announced she was writing a book, her brother Jed likes comments against her (book and maybe more not sure) on social media. He didn't do that for Jingers book. It's got to be hard for her, but she is better off without them in the long run. Maybe someday other kids will leave the cult and have a relationship with her.
Yes, please address the remaining episodes in this documentary. Appearances can be deceiving. The Duggar tv shows were about as real as a Disney movie. What kind of parents emotionally break their young children, refuse to educate them, devalue all girls further, make them sign "contracts", force them to raise their siblings while still children themselves, use them as unpaid child labor a lot, then force them to continue working for them while denying them any money as grown married adults??? This is horrible, abusive parenting. We can only hope the children break with the cult & start lives of their own while getting counseling to recover. Cults suck. So does the Discovery channel & IBLP.
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Thank you Dianna I just love Amanda in her videos. She talks like you’re right there in her room sitting there visiting like friends. It makes it easier to listen to her and relate to what she’s saying. Good video
“Before we close for prayer” …. The way I cackled
It’s giving therapy session, comedy show, podcast, history lesson, religion analysis…and i love that for all of us.
Love listening to to share your story and opinion. ❤
You put it into words for me! She’s truly brilliant in so many ways!
I appreciate your take on this. Yes, make a part 2!
My favorite one to watch so far. Love how you used your humor! So many laughs.
Amanda you are so cute lol I laughed out loud listening to this and I’m at work packing boxes lol haven’t watched in a while. But very glad I came back for this one!
You have the best comedic timing for your correct points, watching from London
Wonderful lady. Thank you so much for your show. I’ve loved & benefitted from it. I love your funny, sassy personality.
I’d like to see you attempting tutorials, unrelated to the cult, as well. Also tours, vlogs of you exploring cities or businesses (cafes, entertainment attractions, new sports). I’d also enjoy vlogs of you doing things unrelated to the religion.
I would like to see another episode of your take on Shiny Happy People!
Hi Amanda...i absolutely loved your interview with Shelise on Cults to Conscience... Absolutely Fabulous!!!! You're such a beautiful Light! ❤️❌⭕
My favorite episodes are when you are talking with your friends. Thank you for sharing and raising awareness.
So glad you did this video! I never watched the show either and had no idea about Bill Gothard. It's terrifying.
I have been binging your content after rediscovering you and you’re a damn inspiration and a warrior of a woman. I also love your humor, it reminds me of how I deal with my own personal traumas coping with humor and sometimes you’ve gotten me into such a laughing fit especially the short where you were talking about the people that have that brain wavelength to directly reach Jesus and that’s why they’re going bald and ma’am I am still not over that 😅
Woooooo!!! For the new microphone!!! Sounds great. Thanks for upgrading. Also I'm down to hear moreee. It's always fascinating seeing cross-cult comparisons
That thing with the umbrella is taught in the IBLP. They call it, "The Umbrella of Authority". It is a major tenet of their beliefs and teachings. They also suggest that, if one strays from the umbrella of authority, one is exposing oneself to great danger and risk, where one could easily be harmed, and might succumb to the bowls of Hell.
Such a good point about the parents failing Josh and using prayer as an avoidance tactic!
I would love to hear more. Love this channel.
She actually got pregnant with her 20th and lost the baby. Boy this cult is a deep interest of mine, as well as the Order, FLDS, and AUB.
same
Tangled, “That wasn’t even her mom” 🤣🤣🤣
“Gouge your eyes out right now, I’ll wait.” You crack me up!
Loving your channel.
New subscriber here. Have been busy binge watching and absolutely love your channel.
So sorry to hear of your past traumas but so grateful that you are safe and free now 💙
With love from 🇦🇺
AMEN!!! Forget beating them into obedience….that sets them up to be TAKEN ADVANTAGE of…
Yes please id love an episode 2 of this topic and your take on it all
Loved this! Keep going with this series in this group!❤
Love hearing your perspective! I watched Shiny Happy People in one sitting and if really opened my eyes. I knew the IBLP was a cult ever since the new broke about Josh am years ago (and it was covered up my the family and the group). BUT, I did watch the show at first and just thought it was a conservative Christian family at the time. Looking back I’m so happy they cancelled the show, because as a Christian myself, I can EASILY see that the IBLP is not Christianity. It’s a cult. But to non-Christian’s, they are the Duggers claiming Christianity, and then they think all Christianity is like that, which could not be farther from the truth! So appreciate you sharing your experience and comparing to the order!
Agreed
So true, and yes they always presented as just Christians on the show.
I’m so glad you covered this!
Ma and Pa Duggar were of the opinion that Josh wasn't exhibition predatory behavior with his sisters. They said he was just "curious." Of course, that was just the tip of the iceberg.
I love the way you talk ,makes me laugh along with the important stuff
I thought about the Order and the FLDS the whole time I was watching Shiny Happy People. There are so, so many similarities. I watched 19 Kids and Counting for years the same way I would watch a horror movie. There was absolutely no doubt in my mind that the lives of especially those women and girls were filled with abuse and trauma. I'm so glad Jill and Jinger are out, but I wish more would join them.
She was pregnant when she got married.
@Cari Brown none of the Duggar women were pregnant when they got married
I watched part of one episode when it was on. I thought JimBob was a perv, Michelle weird breeder, and kids were watching the kids. I had no idea what I was watching and it found sick. Yeah, no doubt something was going on. I watched a number of TH-cam videos about them after Josh's arrest.
BTW, I watched one episode of Duck Dynasty and got sick feeling about them too. Something didn't seem right there either.
@@capb6379 I don’t know where you got that idea but that’s not at all true she got pregnant for the first time almost 2 years into their marriage because she was using birth control pills that’s a huge part of their story
@@capb6379 Jinger was married November 5, 2016; her first child was born on July 19, 2018. The daughter to face the most scrutiny regarding the timing of her pregnancy/birth was Joy, and it's still theoretically possible that they conceived on their wedding night or that they broke their rules prior to marriage. Either way, Jinger went on birth control at marriage.
I don’t understand why we as a society in general think it’s ok to physically hurt children in the name of “discipline,” when it’s unthinkable in ANY other type of relationship. Hit your wife, teacher, friend, etc it’s assault.
2nd time watching this. You're so funny. You bring light to such a heavy situation. You're the bomb. Keep rocking!
Thanks for your perspective on this. Jen from Fundie Fridays was asked to be on the documentary. 😊. She did a whole video on it a few weeks ago.
I enjoy your show. Your hair looks great 👍
Thanks for reviewing this video Amanda! The mic sounds awesome!!
I binged this too. I never saw the show but this documentary was very informative. It's heartbreaking that religion is used to prey on people. Thank you for sharing and being so real.
Great video Amanda! These guys are creeps! Love hearing your perspective!
@7:29- all white- thanks for pointing that out. It’s important because white supremacy is part of the ideology.
scrolling thru fb on my phone while watching n at 26:51 i swear on everything a Eeyore meme come up (im not a winnie the pooh fan or anything) and it says "the thing is, Eeyore was chronically depressed but his friends never left him out. they never expected him to b happy on their adventures. they loved him for who he was and never left him behind"
just thought it was a cute coincidence
Yes, please do more of this series!
the dark laughter at “nose goes” 😂🫠
congrats 38k subs, hope you have 100k soon, i use love watching the duggars county on, that family is a hot mess.
My kids are both grown. They were taught bodily autonomy and consent from birth. They were also taught anatomy and sexuality using age appropriate materials (highly recommend „It’s Perfectly Normal“) and both of them were virgin until adulthood. I don’t know if they still are, although given one child is asexual they probably are. But it is none of my business so long as everyone consents. As I told them as teens, I don’t sleep in your bed, so whom you sleep with is none of my business unless there is a consent issue.
Thank you for the recommendation of “It’s perfectly normal” my son just asked me where babies come from lol. It caught me completely off guard and I tried explaining and the questions kept coming so this book really helped
@@KimmySemak They do some other books too. I kept a copy of all the books in my public library even after my kids got their own copy. That way if one of their friends needed to they could discreetly borrow it and read it without anyone knowing.
Please do a part 2 to this video. Also yes to chocolate. It definitely helps to get through the hard subject.😂
Jen from fundie Fridays was contacted by Amazon and the creators she discussed it on herchannel
What a damn good video Amanda. I agree with you totally.
Hey Girl!! I was waiting to see if Ud have anything to say about this Docuseries , Yeah I watched it straight thru also, I felt so bad for Jill ❤ I hope ALL is good Ur way beautiful!! Much love frm Florida 🩷🌴🌴🩷
Thankyou💜🥰❤️
The lesson on Tangled 😂😂😂. PERIOD!
I loved hearing your thoughts on this. I didn't even think to equate your cult with IBLP but it makes sense. I also had to look away during the demo with the kid. I was sick to my stomach.
As a cult survivor, I appreciate your take on this.
I look forward to your take on the rest of the episodes.
Amanda you are great! I've watched many reviews of Shiny Happy People and this was most interesting.
FUN FACT ABOUT ME. I was working on the strip club and saw Josh Duggar there the night he beat the porn star up. She was working as a featured performer at my club that weekend.
"Gouge your eyes out... I'll wait"
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for this! Definitely want a part 2
She didn’t stop after Josie (#19). She was told to stop, the doctor told them on camera to stop. They said ok in the office, but then immediately cuts to a confessional of them saying, “We think we can have one more. Doctors don’t tell us when to stop having kids, God does.” Baby #20 was miscarried after a few months. A baby girl named Jubilee that Michelle delivered and they had a funeral for on air.
Amanda, thank you for talking about all of this. My mother was 15 when she was forced to get pregnant with me. and birth me against her will. I don't think we talk about what this does to these women and the children. What I hate the most is the narrative that if we :don't talk about it" the shit somehow goes away. It doesn't, it just festers until it harms everyone around you.
Michelle didn’t decide to stop there youngest daughter Jubilee’s funeral was televised on the show.
She actually didnt stop at 19. Josie #19 was born extremely early & had a ton of health issues. She soon after got pregnant with #20 & ended up losing that baby a few months in. They named it Jubalee. She then hit monopause so she physically could not have anymore. Nothing about them is "I make good judgements".
Putting it on a woman for a man’s sin is saying that men are little toddlers who have no control over their own behavior.
"That wasn't her mom" 'slow blink' took me right out 😂
IF IT WASN`T FOR TLCPAYING FOR THEIR HOME THEY WOULD STILL BE LIVING IN THE HOVEL THEY WERE ALL SQUASHED INTO! IF CPS WAS ON THEIR JOB SOME OF THOSE KIDS WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED JUST FROM OVER CROWDING ALONE!
I ordered Jill Dillard (Duggars) book excited to read it💕💕
The IBLP was my first cult rabbit hole. Thanks for your perspective.