Comparing Polygamous Groups - FLDS vs. Kingstons - PART 2!
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You guys are giving people hope that there is indeed life after polygamy.
Love this collab!!!!! I felt like it lasted 5 min even tho it was 45. This convo was so easy to listen to
That's one thing I love with the info Sam & Melissa post to begin with, along with the stuff Amanda Rae posts as well. Doesn't matter if it's 20 minutes or an hour- time just seems to fly by while hearing of their experiences!
Dude I thought that too!!
Sam, I had often wondered if your family ever watched your videos, and I am so glad to hear that you believe that some of them have. You have such a great way of telling your story while remaining respectful of your family and also the FLDS, especially in regard to your upbringing. I just really want them to know that you have found a way of life that suits you better, you are obviously happy and yet you do not "trash" the FLDS. You are truly a classy guy!!!
Aww thank you so much!
Dude this is the collab we didn't know we needed but can't live without!!!!
I've been following Amanda for years and I couldn't believe seeing you guys on her yt channel the other day!
Same here! Love all 3 of these beautiful people! ❤
Sam & Melissa group have been asking for this collab for months. We definitely knew we wanted it.
I don't read all the comments.
When Amanda asked what your first doubts were, Melissa explained how there weren't any when Sam first left. I would love to hear the story about when the doubts first crept in for both of and why you left mainstream LDS. That is a story I'm dying to hear!
Living in a narcissistic abusive home I relate so much to people who have been in cults .. I don’t know a life without abuse it’s like you guys didn’t know the outside world.
How did you break the trauma bond ?
This was so interesting to hear and it made me feel less lonely on Christmas Eve.
Lovely couple you guys are ! I hope to find someone some day who can have a healthy relationship with aswell
Sam and Amanda- this interview brought me to tears thinking of how oppressed women in your former communities were. The comments about no phones or internet made me think of a show on Netflix I recently saw- Unorthodox. It’s about how a young girl escapes a highly fundamental Jewish community. I’d love to hear you react to it, there seem to be many similarities. Thank you for raising awareness and again congratulations on escalating and becoming confident educated independent people.
So many communities seem similar. I have seen TH-cams on Muslim communities, rural Indian communities, fundamentalist Christian communities, ultra-Orthodox Judaism and others who seem just like the ones in this video, as they relate to gender roles and manipulations. Patriarchy is what they all have in common. Patriarchy is a very dangerous thing.
@@NancyCronk yes i would agree! They distance themselves from the modern world to prevent learning and education.
Thank you, Sam, Melissa, & Amanda Rae for the 2 part collaboration! I had been wondering regarding the similarities and differences in the different groups. I know there's more than the two groups Sam & Amanda Rae are familiar with due to experience, but it's great to hear the similarities & differences!
Sam is always so so so even tempered, I've never seen him get upset before. To see him so upset about the "seed bearers" was shocking. I guess to those of us on the outside for whom SO much of the life lived and was expected to live is shocking... that's just one more thing, no worse than some of the others. We all have our line in the sand.
Sorry about all my comments! I commented as I watched. This was absolutely fantastic. Just enjoyed every minute and getting to know Amanda. She's so smart and bold and fiesty! So nice to see her choose to "not take any more" and just leave strong in her conviction that she wasn't going to hell. As always, I love you guys to bits, and Melissa, you always ask such amazing questions and are such an excellent listener and with follow up questions. You are a natural.
Thank you so much! And thank you for always being such a loyal watcher! We love your comments and appreciate all of your support! =)
A Part 3 is needed. So many more areas to explore. Did the Kingston's have the same dress, hairstyles, no makeup and no jewelry as FLDS? What is the Kingston views of the Jeff's? Is law enforcement the same in both groups? Thank you so much for this great video, looking forward to more.
From what I’ve seen they didn’t have a specific dress attire but I could be wrong
Great questions for another video! =)
This collaboration makes me so happy!
I love both of your channels, so glad to see everyone together❤
Regarding women working... how fascinating! I would love a video from Melissa about how LDS women typically join MLMs (which I also think are frequently cults) and how that is so so so huge amongst Mormon moms.
(Melissa) That is a great video idea! I think the main reason so many LDS women join MLMs is because they can still earn income while staying at home with their children, which we were always taught is the most important and primary duty of a woman.
The order doesn't like to let people work outside of the order so the women usually get low level jobs and do accounting or teaching or something like that the men make the real money however if a job prevents you from having a baby 2 times a year then you have to quit or take breaks
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy Melissa, The reason you said they join... that's definitely why they think they're joining, but the reality goes way deeper. More than 99% of people who join those companies lose money - according to research from the Consumer Awareness Institute. Women (and some men) are sold the concept you described in your comment, a stay-at-home-mom's dream come true, but literally more than 9 times out of 10, they lose more money than they make. The reasons people stay in and keep joining MLMs are many of the same reasons people stay in and keep joining religious and other cults.
Would you be interested in having a conversation about the Fundamentalist-to-MLM pipeline with an anti-MLM podcaster? I'd love to hook that up and I think it's a really good opportunity to shed light on the real reasons many women turn to MLM after leaving high control/high demand groups! My friend I'm thinking of has appeared in documentaries about MLMs and her podcast splits focus between MLM and cults.
This series was SO GOOD. Hope their are more episodes coming .
We have the next filming date set! =)
I admire Amanda, Sam and your sweet wife Melissa so much!! More collabs together please! ❤
Aww thank you!
Can't wait to watch this! Really enjoyed part 1 on Amanda's channel :) between the 3 of you, you have such a vast wealth of knowledge and stories to tell so I hope you make more videos together! Even if they're just laid-back convos podcast-style.
Glad you enjoyed it!
All I can focus on is that y’all have such flawless skin 😂❤️ great video. I love watching you all! Thanks for sharing your stories
Hahaha thank you so much! And thanks for watching!
Here from Amanda's channel! I adore her and I really appreciate you guys sharing your experiences, very interesting to hear about the unique life you guys lived, and not by choice. So happy you 3 are out and happy living your life for yourselves! As well as sharing information to hopefully change whats happening in these cults to help others.
Welcome, and thank you! =)
Oh my gosh! I love Amanda Rae! So happy you guys have collaborated 🥰
Love and blessings from Virginia 😘
Amanda is beautiful inside and out, i came from her channel the other woman here is gorgeous as well and a great conversationalist! So happy you strong, beautiful woman are free and took your power back! Love and support from one woman to another!
Thank you so much!
Yayyy!! Getting my coffee… this is going to be _so good!_ 🖤👏🏼
Yay yay yay!!! Part one ending had me the edge of my seat! Two of my favorite favorite channels!!! 💕
And congratulations on 16k so deserved!!
Aww thank you so much!!!
You guys will never know just how many lives you are saving through your videos.
You rock. ❤
I love these collaborations with Amanda! You guys are two of my favorite TH-cam channels.
Aww thanks!
I love this stories! I knew FLDS more because I grew up in St.George.. I learned more about Kingston Clan from the show.. Many million thanks for sharing :)
Ohhh so Sam’s idea was like Rumspringa in the Amish community! Because Amish groups practice adult baptism, some communities allow their young people to leave the community for a period or work outside the community to experience another lifestyle before committing to the church and getting baptised. I guess it’s a good way to decide what you really want! You won’t know if you don’t try :)
To leave a community and ideologically that conditions complete obedience using fear, jealousy, intimidation, and belittling is a testament to your own spirit’s powerful will!
I watched Amanda's video and couldn't wait for this one!!
Absolutely fascinating discussion! How two different polygamist Mormon groups can be so so different is wild.
I would love to hear about some of the small groups which have formed by FLDS break aways which occurred after Jeffs went totally loco. Eg, have they reversed the ban on Christmas and libraries, and do they still wear the silly prairie dresses?
Great work educating the public and providing hope for those who have left
Thank you for this video! I had no idea there were so many differences between the two groups.
Thank you thank you for this video. I can’t imagine the life you were brought up in. Thank God you are out of that craziness and living the life you were meant to live.
This was so good!! Please do more. 👍🏽 I've subscribed to Amanda's channel. I would love to hear more about the history of the two organizations.
Thank you! We definitely want to do more as well!
Thanks for having this question and answer session with Amanda Rae. I never knew about her channel so will definitely have to check it out. This video sparked my interest to listen to Amanda's video about her leaving the community.
You all, this is very therapeutic for you! Just my observation!
Would you do a video on why no Christmas in FLDS? ♥️🎄🎅🏻
Definitely!!
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy thank you! Loved the collab with Amanda ♥️♥️♥️
WOOOOOOOO PART TWO BABY!!!
Sam is such an inspiration. Thank you so much for letting us know about a world we know very little about.
Aww thank you!
Love this crossover ❤️
seed bearers reminds me so much of something that would happen on the show A Handmaid's Tale
Thanks so much for sharing, super interesting. Gosh Sam and Amanda look so alike it's uncanny. They might both have relatives in common, even if it was a long time ago.
It's entirely possible! haha
Sam,Melissa and Amanda,
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS!! I've listened to both parts three times and I find it so interesting and informative.
I have been interested in FLDS since reading Jon Krakauer's book 'Under the Banner of Heaven' when it came out over 15 years ago.
Would yall ever do a reaction or review of nonfiction books like that? Similar to the reaction of Escaping Polygamy? I know there are a few books also written by people who have left the FLDS as well.
Again, thank you for putting out this amazing content!
P.S. Sam and Melissa yall exude warmth and light and I always enjoy listening to yall speak :)
This was probably one of my favorite videos because I have watched because I have watched both channels
I have watched many of your videos Sam Melissa and Amanda. You are all so sweet and very smart. Your videos are so well done! Thank you all for your insight and kindness.✌🐕
Loving the cathedral frames! I have one too! I stapled chicken wire to the back of it and used cute little clothes pins to put pics up with. Have only “sepia” tone ones of nature and my son/pets. The center one would look great with the same thing. Random and totally unrelated lol sorry!
Thank you, and that is a great idea! I bet it looks amazing!
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy not sure if you guys have harbor freight or tractor supply but can get a roll of chicken wire there and the clothes pins for really cheap. I recently garbage picked a bunch of old windeow frames too that I’m about to redo to sell. 😬 trash to treasure! 😅
*window lol
I need way more videos from all you guys 😍🤣I watch both pages every day without fail even if it's repeating videos!!
Awesome!! Loved your video on Amanda's channel, the conversation was fascinating!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Loved it! Thank you so much for this! Would watch more anytime :)
This was excellent. So full of information in such a real life conversation. It seems almost like I am sitting at the table beside you at a restaurant and just happen to overhear a converstation between former cult members. So interesting.
I love Amanda so much! How much fun for all of ya'll together
Such a enjoyable video. How simular two different cults are, and still described as he'll on earth.
I would think that part of the pull toward being the first wife has to do with having a legal marriage even if that is not supposed to matter and maybe the bigger ceremony.
Great videos guys I would definitely watch more colabs✊
Thank you!!! Great video been a follower of Amanda for a long time too 💕
I love this collaboration ❤️❤️
I enjoyed the conversation, but I have a question......
I have been LDS since I was 16 and that's been awhile. I am having issues though in the realm of I have more questions than I am getting answers. I am considering going somewhere else but I want to be sure it is the right thing to do. Is just the fact I am questioning a good reason to leave ? I don't have to worry about being shunned or anything like that, but I have a small group of people I would consider friends and I don't want to lose them, but I need either answers or I need to move on, what would you do if in my shoes?
I don't practice your religion, but maybe my advice can help.
Ask your questions, see if there are answers. Listen to your heart and take your time. There is no rush to decide, life works out in amazing ways.
I am mad, I didn't have the notifications on. I have miss so much
eye opening ! very informative 🗣🗣💯
I can’t believe noone would question a church demanding 10% of your wage…. How dare they, I’d be sueing the LDS/FLDS church for the money they STOLE!
R u for reel
All Christians pay 10percent tides
@@debracampbell1239 sorry? What christians pay??
Thanks so much guys this is amazing. Really hope you do more together 😁
We are! We already have another filming date set in a few weeks. =)
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy YAY! Great news. Can't wait to see it!!!
So interesting! Thanks for sharing! Have a great weekend 😊
I loved this video having you all together love you guys 💕
There's a great book by an LDS author that shows that there's perfect harmony between the prophetic statements concerning the garden of Eden being in Missouri and the Old Testament account concerning the garden of Eden. It's called Canaan, Babylon, and Egypt A Comparative Theological Analysis on Creation sold by Eborn Books.
I asked you guys for this on a few videos, I love Amanda so much ❤️❤️
We were happy to oblige! =)
I grew up LDS single working parent, I am 60 years old. The LDS was fine with it when I was little ie 60s/70s
Hello Melissa and Sam enjoy your videos so much, was wondering if you guys could do a video about when melissa left the church. How her family reacted, etc… thanks
That is a great video idea! =)
I am loving this collab!!!
Amanda: "Some of them are watching"
Me: How tf did she know?
12:04 The goodest "bad boy" 🐕😂
Died laughing when Melissa said she got her "bad boy"... who snuck out to listen to Tim McGraw on the sly!
Waiting for part 3!
“THIS… is the Bad Place!”
Great job on this video guys.
That was very interesting thank you all 😊👍
Thanks for watching!
I wonder how many FLDS girls left to the Order.
That's a good question
watching your tlc show i always wondered why so many if the flds had teh same speaking pattern, and is it warren?
Find a girl that looks at you like Melissa looks at Sam! So sweet.
Living for this
When I heard about the pet thing it really made me wish that some sort of humane society who got that info and provided a good way for the flds to surrender their pets for them to be rehomed.
I could put up with quite a bit of crap, but tell me that I had to get rid of my pets and I am gone.
Do the FLDS, Kingston Clan, & other groups vote in the Presidential elections in the U.S.
How many people leave polygamy and then join the LDS church, your sister Tephi?
Some do, but I would say more don't join the LDS church. Tephi did not. Out of my 15 siblings that left, only 2 of us became LDS, and now that I am no longer active, there is only 1 of us that is LDS.
God is free will and unconditional love
I like you guys so much. I look forward to your videos. Do you post on Fridays? I had to get a new computer (it was a birthday/Christmas gift), my old one finally died.
Yes, we post every Friday morning. =) Thank you so much for watching!
I heard that they can have kids now in flds but they have to have witnesses or something. I know some people are into the whole voyeur thing but that just seems super awkward to have church members watching you get intimate.
I hadn't heard that, but it wouldn't surprise me. I also don't know if they would mean "witness" as in actually watching them be intimate or just giving permission for them to have children and "signing off" on it.
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy oh ok that makes much more sense. I was thinking in a literal sense and i was like 😳 i mean i know some people are into that and to each their own but ya.
I wish they would’ve done this video more as what it really is. FLDS vs. LDS vs. Kingstons. The 3 cult comparison. That’s really what it is. Or should be. But they should go back and forth between all 3 answering each question comparing all 3. They did that on some of the questions but not all. It’s still clearly only comparing the 2 purposely instead of all 3. Other than that, loved the video. So interesting to hear the comparison. Oh and it amazed me how they didn’t know that they were all branch offs of the same church. I thought that was common knowledge but none of them seemed to know that.
Got confused but I found part 2!!
Sorry about that! Glad you found us!
Great video! Sam your brother who left because he wanted to get married. Did he get married? Are they still out? If so how was there transitions. I’m still surprised only 15 of your siblings are out of the FLDS wonder what is keeping them in they can’t marry they can’t have fun or have children. So sad to be stuck there I hope you can help more get out
He is happily married with a little family of his own now. =)
@@GrowingUpinPolygamy how long ago did he leave? Was it hard for them to adjust to the world outside of the FLDS?
Can anyone advise -I am trying to understand this. You say no one is getting pregnant in the FLDS anymore? How does that work now because the cult will now be null and void?
Question I have...we're there any non-white flds members? We grew up near an Amish family, obviously a very white group...the couple couldn't have children though, so they adopted several children, who were mixed race. They definitely stuck out in that community, but we're totally accepted & raised within the Amish faith...did anything similar ever occurs within the FLDS.
No the Amish are white just because no outsiders become Amish and they're from Germany, the FLDS is actively against any interactions with non whites whatsoever
LDS voted against Civil rights act and the Equal rights Amendments.
You made a comment that tidying is in the Bible that you pay 10%. It doesn't say that in the new Testament and the new Testament is the one that we're supposed to be following as Christians.
Okay a question I have always had, what about STIs?? With men having sex with so many women, is that an issue or no?
Wondering how the groups have done during the pandemic. Do they have trust in the medical community? Would they isolate and social distance within the group? Did a large amount pass away like the Native American populations? Was isolation within polyga
mist families deteriorate relations (like Sister Wives)?
God warned us about false prophets. God is no respector of persons. That's why I follow Jesus Christ alone. I gain understanding from others but refrain from elevating them as they are but vessels as we all should be. God bless and keep you.
I have a question for Sam and Melissa. Maybe I am wrong but it's my understanding that the LDS Church practices shunning just as much as the FLDS. Is that true? If so, do you support the practice of shunning your own children if they grow up and choose to be a different religion? If so, Are you okay with a prospect of them finding another family to love on your grandkids? I'm sorry if you questions seem offensive or a bit too personal. If you don't feel comfortable making a video about it I'm okay with that but maybe think about it. Also what do you teach your children about people who are not LDS? I have heard people in the LDS have being taught that people that are not in the LDS are not nice good people.
In the LDS shunning depends on the family. When we left the LDS church, while some family members were sad about the decision, no one has shunned us at all. I would say the main difference is that the FLDS as a whole church encourages shunning, while the LDS church does not. Of course, some people become shunned by their families, but it is not because the LDS church is telling them to. We do not belong to any religion and are not raising our children with any specific religion right now, so we would be totally supportive of what they choose to believe as they grow older. We teach our children that all people are inherently good and that it is a persons choices, not belief system, that define who they are.
Thanks for taking time to answer my questions.
Clearly there's a Polygynous bend in people but it's clearly not for everyone
Yo Sam I've been thinking about adding an addition to my home for my cat! Could you build it for me? Just about 6000 square feet.
So happy no marriages and no relations that mean this is going to die out
respect you all so much i hopenmy question isnt insensitive i
I get some women don't have a choice and have to work but I do still think women should be raising there kids instead of someone else so they can have a career! Just my opinion but I think children deserve at least one full time parent my husband works 40 hours plus a pay check in over time so I can stay home and raise our babies! I'm very blessed in that aspect!
Fascinating!