finally, Judo royalty Niel Adams welcomes Bjj, Hopefully this trickles down to most judo federations and remove the silly rules that you cant compete on both sports
@@paulfrost8952 Judo athlete as in competes internationally or at the olympics. Reason is the IJF doesn't want their judoka getting injured doing other sports. Also culturally looked down up competing in things like MMA which is why not many judoka compete in MMA. Travis stevens has talked about this a few times, some judo guys still compete in bjj on the low.
Wow! Neil Adams addressing the disparity between tachi-waza and ne-waza. This has always been a conscious effort to maintain the balance. Good on you to invite such a great and respected judoka to invite for an interview. I do think that the ijf needs to allow more time for ne-waza. the rules have really diluted the Japanese Jujitsu where this came from. However, i am realizing that because of all the cross training the arts are moving back to the beginning: Traditional Japanese Jujitsu.
In fact BJJ came from newasa Judo. Mitsuyo Maeda, the Count Koma was a Judoka who tested his judo against everybody. But at that times, judo was known as Kano Jiu Jitsu, the Kano System of Jiu Jitsu, or just Jiu Jitsu and as Judo became a sport 70% focused on tachywasa, so the began the difference. The sport's rules. They are two different sports which have the same origin; Judo.
Kano himself limited the newaza when the specialists on the ground were dragging people into groundwater “pulling guard”. His reasoning was this “man walks. He does not crawl”
Not just Ronda Rousey, Hector Lombard destroyed Jake Shield by easily rag dolling him with his Judo, several times. Rousimar Palhares began training in Brazilian jiu-jitsu at the age of 15 and was also finished by Lombard. Undoubtedly Ronda Rousey takes full credit for her use of Judo in MMA competions.
Did Judo since I was 9 years old..got my black belt when i was 18...was buyllied at school until they found out i did Judo..suddenly the bullying stopped..wonder why?
the word is newaza and its not jujitsu anyway,there was groundwork in judo before any gracie was ever born.All bjj groundwork was originally judo and they develped it from there.
scarred10 when helio gracie first learned jiujitsu in the 20s judo didn't even exist as a sport so in reality the branching was before jiujitsu was limited by Olympic rules, bjj was basically a preservation of traditional jiujitsu style
You mean a preservation of original judo since maeda had no jujutsu training ever.the only other combat he was exposed to was catch wrestling and the match fighting he did while travelling.
Samir.....Maeda only studied Judo and Sumo not Jujutsu(Jujutsu is a umbrella term for 100s of styles) Judo was founded in 1880s had sporting matches since the 1890s.. And what do you mean by BJJ preservation of traditional Jujutsu? You do know "Traditional Japanese Jujutsu" does not have ground fighting right? Look up any traditional jujutsu systems in Japan and I can promise you you wont find ANY ground fighting, ground techniques were invented in the 1890s at Handa dojo by Tanabe Mataemon solely to counter Judo and was then absorbed into it. Class dismissed. Also Fusen ryu is a myth as the systems is still practised in Japan and has no newaza.
really cool video , i ve meet neil adams in sweden 2014 in a seminar , for us judokas it was an incredible encounter . he emphazised a lot about transition in a judo fight , throw and transition to the ground . a real master , even though he is very humble . happy to see bjj guys cross train and very humble , there is lot to learn from both sports
BJJ is not something i like as a judoka , i would like to see for judoka 'kosen judo ' used for ground work in judo , this is more effective for judo . Kuruma beat Gracie with this in there're fight .
I Heard of Kancho Neil Adams walking into a Gracie Academy in Torrence ..and no one wanting part of him , is this true guys? how did that go... its awesome seeing masters like him spreading their knowledge
i like that with judo you ether submit someone or move on bjj is all about waiting for someone to get tired or making a mistake (even with out a lot of controle they need ot go to wrestling to lean controle)
the sport rules have diluted this martial art. judo and bjj are sport versions of jujitsu. its all the same martial art, just different rules for sport.
@@Daniel-yo5es if you truly studied martial arts you remove ego from it completely, once you open your conscience then ego shrinks with it. This is defined at hidden martial arts. Fighting without fighting.
@@richlee509 bullshit. that's just some ridiculous crap you got from star wars or the force. people train all the time without paying any attention to your wanna be spiritual nonsense. I live in America... I train for exercise and skill... I get my spirituality from other sources. goodness.
the judo governing body is so stupid about mma. Judo/bjj were doing what mma is doing now when they first started; evolving other styles and finding out what from a variety of styles. MMA is the judo spirit.
Unfortuantely, since the japanese changed the rules, to replace them with ton of restrictions, judo is now more like ballet dancing. We do not have much to teach to BJJ anymore. We have to learn from them. Japanese could not have done better to kill their sport
Great points about the imbalances of both judo and BJJ. It would be great to see a new hybrid paying equal attention to tachiwaza and newaza. Matches with throws ending with newaza and submissions. I know I just described mma, but preferably where I don't have to worry about eating punches and kicks!
I used to train at his club in Coventry. I've also trained BJJ and believe me mate, BJJ groundwork is miles in front of Neil Adams groundwork. His throwing is amazing though, especially taiotoshi
Its kind of the way it is..........judo has ne waza but concentrates on throws. BJJ is very poor in stand up as it excells in ne waza. I trained in both too and loved both styles dearly. I dont train anymore sadly and its unlikely to change. I was lucky to train with him a few times a hes a strong fella. He and Brian Jacks came to my home town when i was a little kid and i was blown away. I got some grades under the gracies too and travelled all over to see em. Both neil and the gracies have nothing but my respect and admiration. Good folks.
We have several guys in our judo club who cross train in BJJ. It really ups their ne waza game. Conversely we have BJJ guys come in to up their tachi waza (they are all really good at ne waza). All these guys are better off for it.
cross training is a term thrown around a bit loosely. in this instance i believe its not cross training, more like being better rehearsed, or increased knowledge of your marital art. you at times need to practice as if there is no ref, no rules etc for it to be more realistic. cross training would be more appropriate if it was a grappling based art and a striking based art practice together.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu - Basically Just Judo Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu looks just like Judo, because it is Basically Just Judo. When Mitsuyo Maeda, a.k.a. "Conde Koma", began teaching Carlos Gracie in Belem do Para, Brazil in 1917, he was teaching Jigoro Kano's Jiu-Jitsu direct from the Kodokan in Japan. The name "Judo" was not popularized until 1925. Mitsuyo Maeda was a Kodokan Judo instructor whose specialty was ground fighting (newaza). This type of ground-only fighting is often referred to as Kosen Judo, or High School Judo, because it was popularized in Japanese High Schools as a form of interscholastic wrestling. Kosen Judo rules allowed direct transition to newaza, enabling scenarios where one less skilled competitor could drag the other down to the ground (a tactic now known as "pulling-guard" in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). There is absolutely no question that the Gracie family demonstrated great skill and marketing acumen by promoting "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to the masses. Helio Gracie's loss to Kodokan Judoka Masahiko Kimura was advertised as a "moral victory". More importantly, the Gracies sponsored the original Ultimate Fighting Championships when the world was begging for a professional combat sport with more depth than Boxing and more realism than the WWF. However, there is now a generation of Jiu-Jitsu students who only know half the story. Worse yet, they are often paying enormous prices for the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu name only to learn a subset of Jigoro Kano's original Jiu-Jitsu techniques and teaching methods. The Judo world has not been without fault too. High ranking judoka often looked down on the new popular MMA world due to Judo's Olympic status. As a result, most Judo schools have been over-emphasizing the throwing techniques within Judo due to pressure from the International Olympic Comittee to increase ratings on TV for the brief moments when Olympic Judo would receive air time. Similarly, there is a generation of Jiu-Jitsu students, and now instructors, who incorrectly think Judo is nothing but a standing sport. Fortunately, the phenomenal success of Ronda Rousey, 2008 Olympic Judo Bronze Medalist and UFC / MMA Champion has brought attention back to the accurate history of Judo and its rightful place in the Jiu-Jitsu grappling world.
Interesting. Backninnthe 90s we did this . We had strategies for winning Judo comps using fast standing to ground submissions and in the early BJJ matchesxwe wouldctry to take opponents down. But then came jump guard play and butt scoot for BJJ and judo implemebted that stupid 20 second rule so this is a good idea .bravo guys.
If judo didn't have only 10-20 seconds on the ground and if they didn't have stupid rules like banning closed guard and leg scissors and not pressuring the neck or leglocks then there wouldn't be BJJ today. That being said BJJ would benefit from judo throws as they've fallen out of favour in BJJ. I chose to do judo instead of BJJ but i'm into MMA unlike most judoka
BJJ has 0 standing part. You can be honest. We won't be mad. BJJ has recently moved closer to leg locks and no-gi submission only. It looks less and less like judo. BJJ can learn so much from judo, but it does not go the other way around. Too many submissions are not effective in judo because of the time constraint. Many BJJ are leaning towards wrestling as a base to improve. It's much more prevalent in the U.S. and accessible at a high level too. I have not really seen any judo schools or any friends who does judo. That may be part of the reason in the U.S. why BJJ doesn't have as much judo cross training. BJJ is like slower paced chess. Judo is explosive on the dot chess.
Bjj It's all from judo, but they've got the rules to consider from the governing bodies, until the rules merge then they will be separate. But then they won't have two names.
One thing... Judo always will be better than Bazilian jiujitsu I said that cause i am brazilian and jiujitsu sucks! Jiujitsu even is a olimpic sport I am judo brown belt
We are so lucky that there is no high level boxers in MMA. If someone like Mike Tyson participated in it, all that Judo and BJJ would be thrown out of the window.
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I've always found it frustrating that you're penalized for "negative Judo" in tachi-waza but you're rewarded for it in ne-waza.
Fantastic point. Imagine shidos for negative ne waza. It would he amazing!
Fantastic interview Neil... I get this question asked daily when I'm training BJJ or teaching judo... very well articulated!
Legend! great competitor, I found him very levelled and nice attitude, he was an inspiration when growing up, still to this day(46)
What a legend! I still use the same technique Neil Adams taught me for tai otoshi and arm bar.
Such a cool dude and a great grappler
finally, Judo royalty Niel Adams welcomes Bjj, Hopefully this trickles down to most judo federations and remove the silly rules that you cant compete on both sports
Are you saying there is a rule that states you can’t compete in both Judo and BJJ?
@@paulfrost8952 yes if you're a judo athlete you not allowed to compete in bjj.
@@KKeef-lm5jt by judo athlete I take you mean a judoka. Could you tell me the reason for this rule please.
@@paulfrost8952 Judo athlete as in competes internationally or at the olympics. Reason is the IJF doesn't want their judoka getting injured doing other sports. Also culturally looked down up competing in things like MMA which is why not many judoka compete in MMA. Travis stevens has talked about this a few times, some judo guys still compete in bjj on the low.
Wow! Neil Adams addressing the disparity between tachi-waza and ne-waza. This has always been a conscious effort to maintain the balance. Good on you to invite such a great and respected judoka to invite for an interview. I do think that the ijf needs to allow more time for ne-waza. the rules have really diluted the Japanese Jujitsu where this came from. However, i am realizing that because of all the cross training the arts are moving back to the beginning: Traditional Japanese Jujitsu.
I practice both and i can't just chose only one, and i feel better and more rounded grappler
Remember kids, always start with Judo before BJJ.
It's a lot more painful the other way round.
not really
Great convo ! First system I started in the 80's was a Combat Judo school that started in BX NY,Tremont Judo!
richdome1
Miyama ryu
Shihan Palzer was my teacher
@@gasdemup Yes Miyama ryu Sensei Michael Alvarez
just like karate and kung fu, grappling arts all can learn from and mix with each other if a fighter/practitioner is smart
In fact BJJ came from newasa Judo. Mitsuyo Maeda, the Count Koma was a Judoka who tested his judo against everybody. But at that times, judo was known as Kano Jiu Jitsu, the Kano System of Jiu Jitsu, or just Jiu Jitsu and as Judo became a sport 70% focused on tachywasa, so the began the difference. The sport's rules. They are two different sports which have the same origin; Judo.
tachiwaza
so why the hell do they call it brazilian jiu jitsu when bjj competition stye is judo. It should be brazilian judo
El Max you can call it that way, but it was also influenced by JJJ
At the time judo was only known as judo in Japan, everywhere else in the world it was still known as Kano jiu jitsu.
Stu Morrison Kano Ju Jitsu. Only the Brasilians spell it 'Jiu'.
If BJJ increased points for a takedown this would create an interesting development. Maybe also get disqualified if you pull guard from standing.
Kano himself limited the newaza when the specialists on the ground were dragging people into groundwater “pulling guard”. His reasoning was this “man walks. He does not crawl”
Not just Ronda Rousey, Hector Lombard destroyed Jake Shield by easily rag dolling him with his Judo, several times. Rousimar Palhares began training in Brazilian jiu-jitsu at the age of 15 and was also finished by Lombard. Undoubtedly Ronda Rousey takes full credit for her use of Judo in MMA competions.
FiNtOlGaNo MeSo
What does Lombard punching Palhares in the face have to do with Palhares starting his training at 15? Just asking
Also Fedor an Habib have significant Judo 🥋 background.
Excellent video. The guy explains the art so well and understands the need for cross training.
Did Judo since I was 9 years old..got my black belt when i was 18...was buyllied at school until they found out i did Judo..suddenly the bullying stopped..wonder why?
Getting punched in the face is horrible. Getting dropped on concrete is nightmare fuel
I loved it how Neil Adams referred to ground work as Newasa and not jiujitsu.
My Sensei told me that Neil Adams is crazy strong...
the word is newaza and its not jujitsu anyway,there was groundwork in judo before any gracie was ever born.All bjj groundwork was originally judo and they develped it from there.
scarred10 when helio gracie first learned jiujitsu in the 20s judo didn't even exist as a sport so in reality the branching was before jiujitsu was limited by Olympic rules, bjj was basically a preservation of traditional jiujitsu style
You mean a preservation of original judo since maeda had no jujutsu training ever.the only other combat he was exposed to was catch wrestling and the match fighting he did while travelling.
Samir.....Maeda only studied Judo and Sumo not Jujutsu(Jujutsu is a umbrella term for 100s of styles)
Judo was founded in 1880s had sporting matches since the 1890s..
And what do you mean by BJJ preservation of traditional Jujutsu?
You do know "Traditional Japanese Jujutsu" does not have ground fighting right?
Look up any traditional jujutsu systems in Japan and I can promise you you wont find ANY ground fighting, ground techniques were invented in the 1890s at Handa dojo by Tanabe Mataemon solely to counter Judo and was then absorbed into it. Class dismissed. Also Fusen ryu is a myth as the systems is still practised in Japan and has no newaza.
Mr. Nobody that's exactly correct except for hand a creating newaza.its been jujitsu for centuries.
A very enjoyable interview - thanks for uploading.
Great perspective.
really cool video , i ve meet neil adams in sweden 2014 in a seminar , for us judokas it was an incredible
encounter . he emphazised a lot about transition in a judo fight , throw and transition to the ground . a real master , even though he is very humble . happy to see bjj guys cross train and very humble , there is lot to learn from both sports
BJJ is not something i like as a judoka , i would like to see for judoka 'kosen judo ' used for ground work in judo , this is more effective for judo . Kuruma beat Gracie with this in there're fight .
That fight films judo gi is FIRE! love the gold on white wish they sold it still. Love the red on white one they have too .
thank you "we need to work together."
I Heard of Kancho Neil Adams walking into a Gracie Academy in Torrence ..and no one wanting part of him , is this true guys? how did that go... its awesome seeing masters like him spreading their knowledge
Loved this interview
High level boxer with a black belt in Judo and a solid blue belt level in Jujitsu is near the perfect balance!
Cool name academy!
Nice to see a great judoca with an open mind!
i liek that judo doesnt encourage stalling on the ground
and i defendly like the trow as a setup for the groundwork
I don’t understand why they don’t change the BJJ rules to penalise pulling guard or give 4 points for an ippon style throw to correct this imbalance.
Both arts needs to stop with the sport aspect, or at least have more self defense moves. Stop worrying about points and rules!
i like that with judo you ether submit someone or move on bjj is all about waiting for someone to get tired or making a mistake (even with out a lot of controle they need ot go to wrestling to lean controle)
check out old judo footage, pre Olympics. looks just like Gracie bjj. or look up kosen judo, where the newaza rules allow for extend ground work.
the sport rules have diluted this martial art. judo and bjj are sport versions of jujitsu. its all the same martial art, just different rules for sport.
nope
@stanly stud yes... there is kodokan judo.... it's still apples to oranges...NOPE... you don't know shit about bjj…. simple as that. now stfu.
@@Daniel-yo5es jiu jitsu is the gentle art, judo is the gentle way, why the fuck can't you be gentle too ?
@@Daniel-yo5es if you truly studied martial arts you remove ego from it completely, once you open your conscience then ego shrinks with it. This is defined at hidden martial arts. Fighting without fighting.
@@richlee509 bullshit. that's just some ridiculous crap you got from star wars or the force. people train all the time without paying any attention to your wanna be spiritual nonsense. I live in America... I train for exercise and skill... I get my spirituality from other sources. goodness.
he couldn't have articulated this any better
the judo governing body is so stupid about mma. Judo/bjj were doing what mma is doing now when they first started; evolving other styles and finding out what from a variety of styles. MMA is the judo spirit.
Unfortuantely, since the japanese changed the rules, to replace them with ton of restrictions, judo is now more like ballet dancing. We do not have much to teach to BJJ anymore. We have to learn from them.
Japanese could not have done better to kill their sport
Great points about the imbalances of both judo and BJJ. It would be great to see a new hybrid paying equal attention to tachiwaza and newaza. Matches with throws ending with newaza and submissions. I know I just described mma, but preferably where I don't have to worry about eating punches and kicks!
Excellent.
So called “brazilian jiu jitsu” is nothing else but dis-gracies marketed Judo ne-waza.
Neil is a solid guy. He's a ninja when it comes to arm locks on the mats. The gracies went to train under him before they hit it big time.
I used to train at his club in Coventry. I've also trained BJJ and believe me mate, BJJ groundwork is miles in front of Neil Adams groundwork. His throwing is amazing though, especially taiotoshi
Its kind of the way it is..........judo has ne waza but concentrates on throws. BJJ is very poor in stand up as it excells in ne waza. I trained in both too and loved both styles dearly. I dont train anymore sadly and its unlikely to change. I was lucky to train with him a few times a hes a strong fella. He and Brian Jacks came to my home town when i was a little kid and i was blown away. I got some grades under the gracies too and travelled all over to see em. Both neil and the gracies have nothing but my respect and admiration. Good folks.
We have several guys in our judo club who cross train in BJJ. It really ups their ne waza game. Conversely we have BJJ guys come in to up their tachi waza (they are all really good at ne waza). All these guys are better off for it.
cross training is a term thrown around a bit loosely. in this instance i believe its not cross training, more like being better rehearsed, or increased knowledge of your marital art. you at times need to practice as if there is no ref, no rules etc for it to be more realistic. cross training would be more appropriate if it was a grappling based art and a striking based art practice together.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu - Basically Just Judo
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu looks just like Judo, because it is Basically Just Judo. When Mitsuyo Maeda, a.k.a. "Conde Koma", began teaching Carlos Gracie in Belem do Para, Brazil in 1917, he was teaching Jigoro Kano's Jiu-Jitsu direct from the Kodokan in Japan. The name "Judo" was not popularized until 1925.
Mitsuyo Maeda was a Kodokan Judo instructor whose specialty was ground fighting (newaza). This type of ground-only fighting is often referred to as Kosen Judo, or High School Judo, because it was popularized in Japanese High Schools as a form of interscholastic wrestling. Kosen Judo rules allowed direct transition to newaza, enabling scenarios where one less skilled competitor could drag the other down to the ground (a tactic now known as "pulling-guard" in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu).
There is absolutely no question that the Gracie family demonstrated great skill and marketing acumen by promoting "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to the masses. Helio Gracie's loss to Kodokan Judoka Masahiko Kimura was advertised as a "moral victory". More importantly, the Gracies sponsored the original Ultimate Fighting Championships when the world was begging for a professional combat sport with more depth than Boxing and more realism than the WWF. However, there is now a generation of Jiu-Jitsu students who only know half the story. Worse yet, they are often paying enormous prices for the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu name only to learn a subset of Jigoro Kano's original Jiu-Jitsu techniques and teaching methods.
The Judo world has not been without fault too. High ranking judoka often looked down on the new popular MMA world due to Judo's Olympic status. As a result, most Judo schools have been over-emphasizing the throwing techniques within Judo due to pressure from the International Olympic Comittee to increase ratings on TV for the brief moments when Olympic Judo would receive air time. Similarly, there is a generation of Jiu-Jitsu students, and now instructors, who incorrectly think Judo is nothing but a standing sport.
Fortunately, the phenomenal success of Ronda Rousey, 2008 Olympic Judo Bronze Medalist and UFC / MMA Champion has brought attention back to the accurate history of Judo and its rightful place in the Jiu-Jitsu grappling world.
Interesting. Backninnthe 90s we did this . We had strategies for winning Judo comps using fast standing to ground submissions and in the early BJJ matchesxwe wouldctry to take opponents down. But then came jump guard play and butt scoot for BJJ and judo implemebted that stupid 20 second rule so this is a good idea .bravo guys.
If judo didn't have only 10-20 seconds on the ground and if they didn't have stupid rules like banning closed guard and leg scissors and not pressuring the neck or leglocks then there wouldn't be BJJ today. That being said BJJ would benefit from judo throws as they've fallen out of favour in BJJ. I chose to do judo instead of BJJ but i'm into MMA unlike most judoka
BJJ has 0 standing part. You can be honest. We won't be mad. BJJ has recently moved closer to leg locks and no-gi submission only. It looks less and less like judo. BJJ can learn so much from judo, but it does not go the other way around. Too many submissions are not effective in judo because of the time constraint. Many BJJ are leaning towards wrestling as a base to improve. It's much more prevalent in the U.S. and accessible at a high level too. I have not really seen any judo schools or any friends who does judo. That may be part of the reason in the U.S. why BJJ doesn't have as much judo cross training.
BJJ is like slower paced chess.
Judo is explosive on the dot chess.
right Olympic judoka cross train in bjj out of sheer foolishness....
Bjj It's all from judo, but they've got the rules to consider from the governing bodies, until the rules merge then they will be separate. But then they won't have two names.
Neil adams bjj f
One thing...
Judo always will be better than Bazilian jiujitsu
I said that cause i am brazilian and jiujitsu sucks! Jiujitsu even is a olimpic sport
I am judo brown belt
kosen judo is better than brazillian judo(correct term)
BJJ(incorrect)
bahahahahahaha.. uh huh uh huh... sure thing dude.
Newaza is more important and that's why bjj is more useful in real life and in mma
Judo is an awesome sport, but wrestling is way better for mma.
Just penalize guard pulling in Bjj. It's by far the worst aspect of sport jiu jitsu (together with the no slamming rule)
We are so lucky that there is no high level boxers in MMA. If someone like Mike Tyson participated in it, all that Judo and BJJ would be thrown out of the window.
Tyson isn't fthrowing combos on the floor unfortunately.. he would tap like anyone else
That'd not the way mike tells it look it up
Judo and BJJ will always be important arts and will never be "thrown out the window" lol
Remember you can take someone out without laying a hand on them. Leg sweep then a good ground game. Game over.
Judo♥️