Fast Pokémon Can Ignore Trick Room. Here's How.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มี.ค. 2024
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Regieleki being so fast that it actually outspeeds trick room is some wally west level shit
So if you have 8000 speed - does that effect electroball damage?
@@yoshimeier3060 electro ball caps at 150bp if the target has 25% or less of the user's speed, aka if the target has 25 speed and the user has 100
@@yoshimeier3060OH GOD Imagine, though! XD
Wasn't he the slowest one?
@@CrystalKitty1220 no, my dude, he's the fastest one
Fun Fact: all the Pokémon that do manage to beat trick toon get put into basically their own separate trick room, so that 1812 Excadrill would move before the 2192 Regieleki
That's so interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.
If the bug works the way freezai explained in this video, then this makes literally 0 sense that it would be true
@@nicholsethanen Why not? Excadrill's speed under trick room would be 10000-1812=8188, while Regieleki's would be 10000-2192=7808
@@nicholsethanen In Trick Room, an 1812 speed Excadrill has effectively 8188 speed while the 2192 Regieleki has 7808, meaning Excadrill would go first, does this explain it?
@@nicholsethanendid you not understand the video
“The opposing Slowbro twisted the dimensions!”
Regieleki: "I recognize that the council has made a decision, but given that it’s a stupid-ass decision, I’ve Elekted to ignore it.”
"I've Elekted to ignore it." ftfy
@@scipocelah6677 Fixed.
Regieleki: "You are in this trick room, but we do not grant you the ability to move first"
Slowbro: "How can you do this? This is outrageous! It's unfair! How can you *be* in the trick room and *not* move first?
@@bigfudge2031 Take a seat, young Slowbro.
I've regielekted
Regieleki is a certified Speed Force user.
YO THATS A COOL ABILITY NAME (Speed Force)
YO THATS A COOL ABILITY NAME (Speed Force)
IT WAS ME, BARRY!!! 😈
He's literally lightning... as in, the speed force itself...
*A certified 13 bit overflow user*
Slow Bro: "Domain Expansion TRICK ROOM"
Regieleki: "Ah yes, my Anti Trick Room technique, I haven't used it since the Heian Era. It's called moving really fast"
Pretty much a simple domain
hollow wicker basket
Regileleki and his domain expansion: Malevolent SPD. Stat.
Regilecki used Screw You, I’m Sped, It was super effective!*
Slowbro: how, how are you going this fast. This is supposed to be my domain.
Regieleki: Fool! You merely tampered with something I mastered. I am the essence of the very speed you wish to alter.
Your speed is only temporary, mine builds for eternity.
"I am four parallel universes ahead of you, Slowbro."
Most epic comment ever.
I have already swept through multiple alternate VGC tournaments in this time
this is some fucking wally west shit
Regieleki is basically Wally when the writers decided to make it canon that he's "faster than the Speed Force" itself
isnt time travel more the reverse flashes thing?
@@cadetsparklez3300it’s every flash’s thing tbh
@@cadetsparklez3300it's more that reverse flash is the one irresponsible enough to actually do it and leave the consequences to be someone else's problem.
The world is Wally's trick room, and he's the slowest man in existence
Obviously this would never happen in a real competitive setting, but I think it’s really fitting that Regieleki is able to do so. It’s just another thing that can be added to the list of this mon’s heinous war crimes.
1:53 This isn't a tournament here ? He said real battle
@@hippopolovethats a showdown tournament at lvl 100. Vgc is generally played at lvl 50s
Its stupid but you can baton pass +3 to a scarf eleki under tailwind and hit 2k speed so beat up whims with tail wind into a rattled mon with baton pass isn't impossible...
realistically, Ninjask is the one most likely to reach that, since it has 160 base speed and buffs it every turn.
Math checks out, a max investment Jolly Ninjask has 460 speed, so at +6 it reaches 1840.
Yeah, if we´re talking a common sub protect ninjask (maybe an Anything Goes baton pass team) vs a Trick Room team, ninjask could easily use protect and substitute to stall trick room turns, only to end up outspeeding even in trick room as Speed Boost reaches +6@@hiimemily
if we're talking realistically ninjask is literally never going to be used in VGC nor will it last long enough to even get to +6. and there ain't nobody using baton pass ninjask in natdex ubers lmao.
Ehh
You need Jolly doubtable any ninjask is going to run Jolly when they can protect turn 1 instead So you'd need a faster mon to be passed to, so deoxys speed potentially could do it hits 459 without Jolly, but then if you're baton passing buffs why pass it to a deoxys speed?
I think honest a DOU rapid spin mon on an tailwind team are the most likely canidates to do this. In singles and vgc it likely will never happen.
@@jamesfeng24this is way harder to do in VGC because the mons are level 50 so the speed is much lower. A plus 6 regieleki wouldn’t even pass 1809
That's a really cool glitch I have no issue with it staying. Being able to outspeed trick room is such anime nonsense I love it.
Mash vs Abyss energy
Ikr!?!! Plus, I can totally see Pokemon doing something like that with Ash since it would be the kind of strategy he would pull off with no plan whatsoever.
wdym the anime makes perfect sense
@@nope6792well he break trisk room in XY using Hawlucha X-Scissor so i guess the move make Hawlucha go over 2000 speed lol :v
@@anghainguyen9951 Omg, I forgot about that LMAO. I guess they already used that bit.
So this is what Goku did to Hit
I literally said in my head regieleki really thinks he's jiren breaking out of hit's time cage
I love this glitch. It's like the Pokemon goes so unfathomably fast, they break the binding of trick room itself.
Regieleki: I'm the fastest.
Slowbro: I used trick room.
Regieleki: I'M THE FASTEST!
Change that to "DID I STUTTER?"
To have a value overflow problem because the value DOESN’T overflow is a very GameFreak programming move. 7.8/10 needs more overflow
I like how showdown implemented the trick room exactly how it is in the actual game
By design, showdown is supposed to be an exact simulation of the main game, so that means any glitch that is in the main game will also be present in showdown so it stays an exact simulator lol
That's one thing that is great about Showdown. Their intention is not to make pokemon battling better, but to make pokemon battling *easier.* It's the same pokemon battling from the games, just made really, really comfortable
@@jimbb Most known glitches at least. IIRC there have been glitches that they accidentally patched out because the weren't discovered for ages. e.g. gen 1 same type secondary effect immunity. I think the Acid Rain glitch isn't on the official ladder for its gen either (but is optionally available in customs).
@@jimbbdoes a pretty poor job considering acid rain is not present.
Regieleki: “i am 4 parallel universes ahead of you”
This is the most anime deus ex machina tom-foolery I’ve seen in a Pokémon game
Funnily enough outspeeding trick room can be semi-reliably triggered. However this only really applies in level 100 doubles formats. All you need is pelipper and a swift swim user that has agility (or anything that gives a +2 speed boost) and base speed above 54. In 1 turn, you can use a +2 speed boosting move on the swift swim user and tailwind on pelipper to guarantee a trick room outspeed.
(Only caveat is the the swift swim user must be max speed invested)
So when Ash was trying to use flame charge in trick room, he was actually trying to achieve this LMAO...
Bonus info: 1809 is the optimal speed for trick room, anything faster will go after it. You can keep using mod 8192 to work out anything above 8192, it will keep the same properties. The highest possible speed possible in-game with no modding/hacking is 13152 (i posted a video on this account doing it). 13152 mod 8192 is 4960 which is the effective speed stat of that pokemon and because it is above 1808 it still outspeeds trick room.
i think this is a great thing and is my head canon that is not a glitch, literally if you are too fast you can outspeed trickroom itself
I think this is why Gamefreak never fixed. It became this cool Easter Egg.
It makes me imagine a scene of regieleki getting caught in trick room, freezing for a second, and then vibrating intensely as the trick room shatters and it continues to zip around
@@hankboog462that's so silly omg
Yeah I also like to believe that. Imagine how cool it would be in anime
Jiren lookin ass
"Wouldnt it be easier to just check who has the higher speed and who has the slowest and force them into a fixed, unchangable new value of 5 000 and the other set to 1?"
"nah lets just use the overflow to our advantage for mechanic purposes cuz that sounds hella funni"
No, that is terrible cause it doesn't account for other pokemons coming in.
The issue is they decided to subtract from 10000 buuut they also have overflow, so they rely on those 2 operations occurring, a speed big enough to not trigger the overflow after the subtraction causes the bug.... soooo why not just subtract from that top speed. There was no need to introduce another magic number (10000)
so instead of taking the calculated turn order and going in reverse; something that's trivial to program, the devs decided to abuse an integer overflow to make trick room work? what kind of 4AM sleep-deprived over-engineered solution is that? what, so you wouldn't have to manually account for priority moves or something?
Pretty much yeah
I'd imagine it's to factor in moves that would change a speed stat/turn order mid-turn, like tailwind?
now gamefreak has a reason to justify their lazy game updates and lack of pokemon animations, they all use their resources programming trick room
They could also just do 8191-speed instead of 10000-speed. Same concept, except much harder to glitch.
Worse. They set up a quick fix to make Trick Room work, accidentally caused an overflow, realized it did not really cause issues, and never bothered to fix it. Even while keeping their current solution, the easy fix would be to substract the speed by 8192 instead of 10000. They are just that lazy, and the fact this bug stayed untouched for now 5 gens is baffling.
the worst bit is that this is literally so easy to fix
just make their new speed 8192 - their old speed instead
Would a negative speed break the game?
@@GeorgeDCowley speed can underflow in the same way that it overflows
@@d0rkl0rd92 OK, that matters.
Makes you wonder why they blatantly put 10000 in there instead of thinking about that for a second
They could also just- set the turn order calculation to reverse when trick room is up. It can't be that hard to implement.
I like the idea of that the speed barrier is actually the minimun speed you need to bend space and time around you, so if you are fast enough you straight up ignore any space and time shenanigans like trick room.
Regieleki with Agility is like my uncle in the car with alcohol
lol those were.... times, weren't they
The trouble of being faster than light is that you live in darkness.
the interesting thing is that speed is not stored in a regular integer size
is that an unsigned 15 bit integer?
if it was signed with 16 bits it would still overflow around 8k, but it would overflow to a negative number.
log2(8192) is 13, so i guess it's 13 bits. A lot of data in pokemon games seem to be in these strange custom formats. Maybe that was necessary to fit these large worlds on the original handheld console games, but it's kinda weird that they're still doing it.
The data in Gen 4 was likely a 16-bit number with the remaining 3 bits encoding priority in some way for the engine to determine turn order.
@@shanesnover4048 Priority sets the highest bits as if they were flags, and then no more work is needed because everything's already ordered correctly. That makes sense, save that priority ranges from -7 to +5, which is 13 values, which is 5 more than can be stored in 3 bits. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if you're close to the mark.
(edit - accidentally posted this reply before I finished writing it)
I’d hazard a guess at there being a checksum and/or parity check?
Surprising how this is still in the game if it has been found out long ago. Just rewrite the code of Trick Room so it subtracts the original speed from 8192 and you can dismiss that whole buisness with subtracting 8192 if the number is greater. That fix literally takes 5 minutes at best.
And its not like any Pokemon could reach 8192 speed anyways. Max speed Regileki with +6 boost and scarf with tailwind up still has less than 8192 speed, so even in that case the fix would check out.
It probably hasn't been fixed because there is no need. Like it was said in the video, the circumstances it comes up are so hyper specific there is only one known instance of it happening on accident.
Regieleki at level 100 with max speed ivs and evs, speed boosting nature, +6 speed, choice scarf, tailwind and with it's ability swapped to swift swim under the rain has an speed equal to 13152
Did more research and Floatzel reaches 8664 and Barraskewda reaches 9792
They don't even need to switch abilities to break the game even with your idea
@@kubomagico8853nice find!
The thing is that Trick Room is normally not seen on playthroughs of the game, so it's pretty much a competitive move only. And even on competitive, it's mainly on VGC battles ruleset instead of Smogon's ruleset, which, thanks to the level 50 of all pokemon in VGC, makes it impossible to happen in regular VGC battle and even specific gimmick teams to try this also wont work because it takes too many turns to set up.
back when gen 9 doubles released ursaluna, it was common to lead Cresselia + Ursaluna on the lower end of the ladder. my response to this was to use agility basculegion and tailwind pelipper to set up the trick room glitch on TURN 1. and it managed to catch a lot of people off guard
First video I watch from you: Instant sub! I love to see all of these obscure rules and understand how they can be used to create surprises in matches 😄
This reminds me of Ash vs. Valerie in the XY anime. His talonflame was under trickroom against one of valerie’s pokemon and his strategy was to stall it out by using flame charge to go faster… under trick room.
Ash was cooking something back then and no one realized it…
He break it using Hawlucha later on lol
@@anghainguyen9951 yup, by using momentum from gyro ball to launch hawlucha onto one of the trick room walls and perform x-scissor to smash it
Slowbro: "Regileki is a wimp!"
Regileki: "Yes, but I'm fast!"
"Exactly 1809 or above" is so funny
This is interesting because I believe when Freezai had just started out on TH-cam he had taught me about the Speed Barrier break in the first place. Nice to see an effective remake
Someone needs to bring this to a regional or something and pull it off on stream to get the attention of the devs along with somd chuckles.
Really difficult to do in any official event because VGC is played at level 50 instead of level 100, I'm sure that there's still some extremely weird theoretical set of circumstances that could get a level 50 pokemon past the speed barrier but it's a whole buttload harder than just clicking agility on eleki a few times.
@@ashleythompson801 its as simple as a +4 speed scarf barraskewda in rain i just tested it
you have done a video about that haven't you?
i remembered this glitch one of this days and thied to find your video but just couldn't to find the explanation for that
Regieleki is simply built different.
Slowbro uses trick room.
Regieleki: Trix are for kids.
Babe wakeup freezai just uploaded
We're going back to Gen.1 stat overflow glitches oh my god.
now we just gotta wait for the terminal montage video on this glitch like the Mario v Fox video except it's mario v Regieleki
Love myself some modular arithmetic nonsense. Great vid
I love finding byte overflows, math glitches, and edge cases like this. My favorite though will always be MissingNo, which gave me free items and was just frick'n bizarre to fight.
Mine evolved into a Kangaskhan that knew Sky Attack. Pokemon Stadium did NOT like this when I imported it.
Regieleki: 3 turns… you were late by 3 turns
and here I thought trick room was literally reading the move order in reverse. this is certainly an interesting overflow glitch
You could say it's speed was OVER 8000!
I’ve always wondered why they didn’t implement trick room by getting the fastest speed currently on the field, and determining new speed by subtracting fastest speed minus current speed. Simply recalculate every time a pokemon with higher speed switches in, or when a boosting move is used
Or just subtract everyone's speed from 8192 instead of 10000
@@MattressGuy Well at that point the Pokémon's normal speed overflows and becomes really low, and Trick Room would only stay consistent with that
And with this implementation, when multiple pokemon outspeed trick room, the one who goes first is the one who's speed is the closest to 8192, so after you pass the speed barrier you go right back around to using the trick room principle of "more speed = slower" again.
Outspeeding trick room is like achieving a secret priority bracket of 0.5. Which also turns out to unlock the 1.5, 2.5 so on and so forth.
If your playing Double Ubers, lead with magearna and a tailwind setter. Shift gear magearna turn 1 and tailwind as well. Turn 2 baton pass into choice scarf calyrex shadow and boom you got the glitch
It's always cool to peel back the illusions and see the glue and crayons that hold games together
This is like Archie Sonic being able to move in stopped time
I love how I "knew" about the overflow, but never how just how Trick Room calculated speed, now makes even more sense in the Game Design and how this probably is an oversight that is never expected to happen in a real setting
What I've learned: Math is scarier than ever
"That magnet wasnt put there to make me think you could move... but to make me think you couldnt"
Cool remake!
2:50 The only Pokémon capable of such a feat
I think the easiest fix would be to implement something like an "Initiative Order" like in DND. The Pokemon are placed in order based on their speed stat, which could be changed upon a stat change getting triggered, then when Trick Room gets used the order is just reversed until the Trick Room ends
I like to imagine that Regieleki quickly runs out of Trick Room's range as the other Pokemon is setting it
This is actually a really interesting glitch because it has been left in intentionally by Game Freak. The fix would be as simple as lowering the trick room starting speed from 10000 to 8000. So Game Freak has to have thought this was cool enough to not fix.
Woah I actually didn't know about this. That's so cool
Hm, so the fix they would have to implement is literally to replace the number 10000 in the trick room code with 8192, in order to prevent the overflow.
The only thing that can hold Regieleki is his movepool variety
Slowbro used trick room!
Regieleki doesn't care!
*Obliterates slowbro*
Regieleki: "Sigh. Guess we're doing this. MADE IN HEAVEN."
This is so interesting, trick room makes regieleki (after the speed buffs) so slow that it gets ignored, leading to it being extremely fast it’s astonishing
+6 Regieleki with Choice Scarf, Swift Swim/Sand Rush and Tailwind can also croos the Stat barrier :o
Itd be cool if this was made canon to the lore,and honestly,it would be pretty epic if the creation trio were also able to negate trickeoom, because like
What does change in the dimensions of a small field matter to the ones that rule over all dimensions
this video was so entertaining!
I think the funniest thing about this glitch to me is that it would in all likelihood take literally 2 seconds to fix. Just change it from 10,000-x to 8,192-x
I learned something new about trick room! How interesting.
In summary; regieleki harnesses the speedforce and breaks time/turn order
what happened to your old video from years ago detailing this exact same glitch, with regieleki and all?
This is not the content I'm used to enjoy from you but it's definetly a very curious thing to store in my useless info about pokemon box!
Thanks man, I do love your content :)
Wow, I never knew that's how Trick Room work. That's a very interesting way to calculate it and considering the ludicrous amount of setup all but like 3 Pokemon need to do to break through, I wouldn't call it bad (not saying that you did, just to be clear).
wow this came out 29 seconds ago. Love your content man!
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for the nerds: 2^13 = 8192
Good bit of knowledge to have if you have a sweeper like regileki vs a trickroom team
It’s nieche, but good to know it’s an option still
Regieleki is like that anoying kid you had at the playground that just said "it doesn't work on me"
The ultimate “did I stutter” moment.
My man is the Reverse Flash, you get faster, but he can break it.
MADE IN HEAVEN
Wasn't this an old Freezai video from years ago? I swore the first video I found from him was about this exact phenomenon. Cool either way and the presentation has improve to the point where a remake is justified. I just thought he'd mention it if he did it before
Slowbro twisted the dimensions
Regieleki's speed twisted them back.
1:57 "a play was playing a game *BACK* in *GENERATION 8* "💀
Im imagining a pokemon going so fast that it summons both Dialga and Palkia and outspeeds them too.
So there is a world where you can bring a Regieleki and a Slowbro to a doubles match, throw a trick room up and speed blitz everything?
13 feels like a wacky bit number to store speed as
Regieleki's too fast that he created his own priority bracket 😂
Glad to see the hilariously broken code practices of gen 1 aren't totally removed.
Tbh, this should be a feature because it’s so impractical but fun
The technical debt this series has is absolutely staggering.
Regieleki out speeding in trick room is hilarious
I remember doing this with a friend before Regieleki existed, so we used Deoxys-Speed
The fact Game Freak uses both 10000 - Speed AND 8192 overflow calculation in an age where games are taking up gigabytes of space anyway is truly an example of workarounds that should have been fixed a decade ago.
So canonically, we can powerscale pokemon speed on whether or not they out speed trick room
i swear you already made a video on this topic before? maybe i’m tripping but i remember you making a video on the interaction between agility regieleki and trick room.
I remember this, too
@freezai Can you share the replay you featured in the vid?
Ah yes
The particle accelerator
"IT WAS ME BARRY"