Wolfe and that Flutter bit is so funny like when the GOAT uses it 3 different times in the "biggest tournament ever" in 3 unique ways, you know its a good mon
That's what I feel people don't understand when they say "everyone uses the same pokemon!" Yeah, they're using the same one, but not always in the same way Like take 10 Flutter Manes from the top spots, and it's likely like 6-7 of those have completely unique sets. There's a reason why these pokemon are used so much. Not just because they're strong, but because they're so malleable and capable of being on almost any style of team.
@@sketchydude8431you’re not wrong regarding usage and different sets but people hate flutter less for its usage and more because it’s such a bullshit super centralizing Pokémon that upended the game for over a year.
GOAT? Why are you talking about Ray Rizzo? Edit: I'm just saying this to stir the pot. I do think Ray is honestly the best. But Wolfe is definitely in the conversation.
Houndoom: "I know my stats are subpar and my move pool is weak, but I'm the ONLY Dark/Fire type. You can't get it any better than me." Incineroar: *"Observe."*
@@celery791 The salt in the wound was Houndoom getting a dogshit mega ensuring it'd never get to evolve for real. Now Houndoom is eternally doomed to irrelevancy.
@@Skeloperch Same with Flygon never getting a mega just because of artist block... I would like to use Houndoom and Flygon but there are just better options... i use them in the older games but for competetive? eh...
@Skeloperch Which is torture for me, who has Houndoom marked as one of if not my very favorite Pokémon. In fact, most of my favorites have the short end of the stick, but at least Purugly didn't get as horribly outclassed as Houndoom has.
@@SkeloperchMega Houndoom with Solar Power was a certified Game Freak moment. First it doesn’t make sense to give weather based ability to mega because they are single-ability, second of all Pokémon why give Solar Power to a nocturne Dark Pokémon? 😢
Call me old fashioned, I expected a Whimsicott mention in here seeing how great it’s been throughout it’s doubles career as a priority tailwind setting, Stun Sporeing, redirecting (if I’m not mistaken) monster
Whimsicott is great if it fits on your team, but it's fragile and fairly lacking in offensive pressure, so it doesn't slot as easily onto any old team as some of these other mons
@@weir9996 you make a fair point, and it’s a fair statement to make that Whimsicott doesn’t slot on easily as some of these other mons. That’s all I have to add. Thank you for the contribution :)
In terms of usage, lando-T is probably the most used Pokemon in any serious/competitive format, whether in doubles or singles. although he has fallen off a bit due to competition from incineroar or gen 9 power-creep
The first meta of a gen tends to be better than later ones due to less powercreep and centralization so it makes sense. Except 2017 because of the tapus (and maybe 2011 due to the lack of options) but the others are solid.
Most of the moves it used didn't have all that great of secondary effects. Flinching with Air Slash is nice but Dynamax mons are immune to flinches so it wasn't impactful in the most important dynamic. Dazzling Gleam was its most common offensive move and it doesn't benefit from Serene Grace at all whereas a 12.5/50% (depending on held item) crit chance can easily be game changing Edit: Also Serene Grace has no effect when Dynamaxed yourself since every secondary effect is 100% on max moves anyways, but Super Luck helps to score crits on them
When the Cynthia music kicked in, as a casual VGC observer, I got very confused like ‘wait surely it couldn’t be Garchomp..?’ Well, I was right at least!
Isn't it more telling that a 'mon was dominant when that pokemon's usage goes up significantly as you get further into the tournament? If Togekiss usage goes from ~70% at 64 but up to 90% at 32, that means you should have taken Togekiss. I accept the 32 cutoff
I understand that Groudon and Kyogre are no longer top tier. Koraidon is simply a better sun setter and Miraidon simply has so powerful electric type damage that Kyogre simply cannot survive Miraidon attacks
It's not going to be as big as the Landorous since Incin has only been VGC king for around the same time as Lando has, only has 1 form, and isn't nearly as good nor interesting in singles
I told myself if I was writing this i would throw in my favorite mon Togekiss and then say JK! and the end came and i wss like omgnognfofomfimfomg. Spoilers: Even though i remember early Sw/Sh i didnt think it would count for all time.
@@mukatte4755 One day pokemon company will want to push other newer pokemon they can sell merch for and having a meta with 100% incineroar flying around isn't gonna do that so they'll have to dark void nerf him too
@@jackalscry8173my mind shivers just from the thought of Incineroar falling out of meta. Just what kind of behemoth would it take to steal this cat place?
landorus-t, funny intimidater, is replaced with another intimidating cat. and one of the the best incin answers is.... the other landorus. he always comes back
Landerous is NOT an answer to incineroar. If that were the case, WAY more teams would be using landerous-t. Landerous simply struggles being as useful and consistent as incin which is why he’s practically outclassed most of the time barring a generational gimmick (like dynamax or z-moves)
@@im_happily_sadd3730 you misunderstood what he meant. Landorus INCARNATE ("the other landorus") had a spike in usage before restricted, because of how well it did into the meta, including amongst the other things 1hkoing Incineroar without fearing Intimidate.
@@worldiefeard8396 Ohhh, that’s what they meant by other landerous lmaoo. Yeah, I remember incarnate getting a lot of usage before regulation G, and I’m pretty sure he won a tournament if I’m not mistaken
And rilla has 125, gf casually min maxing stats the further we go along, eventually we gonna get someone with mega Beedrill type min max but with an actual BST
The year is 2050 and the winning VGC won against UltraZebatron (255 attack), CockandBallture (prevents Male mons from acting), by using female incineroar with baby doll eyes
It can't be understated the stranglehold togekiss had on early gen 8 VGC. It was a mon that could genuinely do anything and everything you needed it to do for your team, and the opponent had to guess the set from closed team sheets. The amount of tech moves and specific EV spreads you could slap on it to surprise your opponent were wild not to even discount the dominance of the standard sets. (PS. Surprised Amoongus wasn't anywhere in this video. Probably the single most consistently important VGC mons of all time, since I can't think of a single format where it wasn't an incredibly important consideration in the teambuilder, but it probably doesn't have the peaks of others due to well defined counterplay like safety goggles and terrains and such)
I never play competitive Pokemon at all, so I was actually surprised when I started watching your videos and discovered that my favorite pokemon is so good in VGC. I'll accept it being beaten out by Togekiss because I love it too.
Fun fact, recently I was on a discord call with a friend building a team, and he dropped Incineroar from it in favor of Galarian Moltres. And it was optimal, possibly the first case of removing Incineroar from a team being a good thing.
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Oh, I get it.
Nemona for single-focused videos, Kieran for double-focused ones.
Clever
❤
WRONG! Nemo is the waifu of the channel, just need Kieran to make the example
I mean, it's still a trash game being represented by this channel for shill purposes. Nobody gives a singular damn about S/V.
@@Kuesothmore like mascot and her side kick
Kieran can handle double penetrations
Surprised amongoss didn't make it with how consistently excellent it's been for over a decade now, but I guess it never truly dominated
I thought that would be the one to beat Incineroar, but there have been a lot of excellent grass types over the years
Your pfp is fire
Wolfe and that Flutter bit is so funny like when the GOAT uses it 3 different times in the "biggest tournament ever" in 3 unique ways, you know its a good mon
That's what I feel people don't understand when they say "everyone uses the same pokemon!"
Yeah, they're using the same one, but not always in the same way
Like take 10 Flutter Manes from the top spots, and it's likely like 6-7 of those have completely unique sets.
There's a reason why these pokemon are used so much. Not just because they're strong, but because they're so malleable and capable of being on almost any style of team.
@@sketchydude8431you’re not wrong regarding usage and different sets but people hate flutter less for its usage and more because it’s such a bullshit super centralizing Pokémon that upended the game for over a year.
GOAT?
Why are you talking about Ray Rizzo?
Edit: I'm just saying this to stir the pot. I do think Ray is honestly the best. But Wolfe is definitely in the conversation.
@@booradley6832ray is really washed
People are probably disappointed you didn't use Nemona for the thumb.
Im livid
I am happy to see Kieran.
I'm excited to see my boi Kieran
No Nemona, no peace
Eh, Kieran uses his Incineroar during the final battle.
Houndoom: "I know my stats are subpar and my move pool is weak, but I'm the ONLY Dark/Fire type. You can't get it any better than me."
Incineroar: *"Observe."*
There’s also Chi-Yu now, to add salt to the wound.
@@celery791 The salt in the wound was Houndoom getting a dogshit mega ensuring it'd never get to evolve for real. Now Houndoom is eternally doomed to irrelevancy.
@@Skeloperch Same with Flygon never getting a mega just because of artist block... I would like to use Houndoom and Flygon but there are just better options... i use them in the older games but for competetive? eh...
@Skeloperch Which is torture for me, who has Houndoom marked as one of if not my very favorite Pokémon.
In fact, most of my favorites have the short end of the stick, but at least Purugly didn't get as horribly outclassed as Houndoom has.
@@SkeloperchMega Houndoom with Solar Power was a certified Game Freak moment. First it doesn’t make sense to give weather based ability to mega because they are single-ability, second of all Pokémon why give Solar Power to a nocturne Dark Pokémon? 😢
4:05
Aaron and the Pokémon community will never forget that moment.
Nostalgia is a sickness if I'm looking back fondly on the Togekiss wars.
Call me old fashioned, I expected a Whimsicott mention in here seeing how great it’s been throughout it’s doubles career as a priority tailwind setting, Stun Sporeing, redirecting (if I’m not mistaken) monster
Whimsicott is great if it fits on your team, but it's fragile and fairly lacking in offensive pressure, so it doesn't slot as easily onto any old team as some of these other mons
@@weir9996 you make a fair point, and it’s a fair statement to make that Whimsicott doesn’t slot on easily as some of these other mons. That’s all I have to add. Thank you for the contribution :)
I, for one, welcome Kieran being the VGC rep on FSG with Nemona being the singles rep
In terms of usage, lando-T is probably the most used Pokemon in any serious/competitive format, whether in doubles or singles. although he has fallen off a bit due to competition from incineroar or gen 9 power-creep
Actually there’s a Pokémon game where incin gets VERY LITTLE usage
In smash bros
I love the singles videos but it's also very interesting and fun to look deep into the doubles format too! Love the videos!
This might be a hot take but the early SS meta before Incin and Grassy Glide Rillaboom were released is one of my favorite VGC metas ever
Personally preferred no restricted crown tundra meta but each to their own
The first meta of a gen tends to be better than later ones due to less powercreep and centralization so it makes sense. Except 2017 because of the tapus (and maybe 2011 due to the lack of options) but the others are solid.
Very interesting to see Togekiss running Super Luck instead of Serene Grace.
Most of the moves it used didn't have all that great of secondary effects. Flinching with Air Slash is nice but Dynamax mons are immune to flinches so it wasn't impactful in the most important dynamic. Dazzling Gleam was its most common offensive move and it doesn't benefit from Serene Grace at all whereas a 12.5/50% (depending on held item) crit chance can easily be game changing
Edit: Also Serene Grace has no effect when Dynamaxed yourself since every secondary effect is 100% on max moves anyways, but Super Luck helps to score crits on them
@@itztaytay2 I forgot all the BS immunities Dynamax Pokemon had, lol.
By the way for the la regionals, there were two different graphics for restricted mons and regular mons
This is the best thumbnail I have ever seen
Average Wolfy vgc vid be like:
sees thumbnail
thank you for contributing to the very small pool of briar fanart
Nemona is the GOAT.
great vid. the slow zoom on togekiss made me laugh out loud
Kieran is the second doubles mascot
I just thought this was gonna be 20 min of fsg talking about incineroar
I got the thumbnail reference and I approve!😁👌
He said the phrase, this is incredible folks.
Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪
When the Cynthia music kicked in, as a casual VGC observer, I got very confused like ‘wait surely it couldn’t be Garchomp..?’
Well, I was right at least!
4:05 discussion on thunderus is undoubtedly incomplete without Cybertron's mention lmao
Personally love the VGC vids. Could eat that up any day XD
20:00 DOES THIS LOOK LIKE THE FACE OF MERCY TO YOU!???
i was half expecting zacian on the list too 😮
Thumbnail of the year!
Does this mean we now get a Togekiss remake?
Holy kek the thumbnail
My sweat started running fown my arm so I licked it up
There's a reason Xerneas has been kept out of Scarlet and Violet.
Isn't it more telling that a 'mon was dominant when that pokemon's usage goes up significantly as you get further into the tournament? If Togekiss usage goes from ~70% at 64 but up to 90% at 32, that means you should have taken Togekiss. I accept the 32 cutoff
17:10 Yay the best meta in the cat
We love VGC content!
Please do
Gothetelle next
14:29 That only shows non restricted pokemon, restricted are apart
I understand that Groudon and Kyogre are no longer top tier. Koraidon is simply a better sun setter and Miraidon simply has so powerful electric type damage that Kyogre simply cannot survive Miraidon attacks
Cool thumbnail
The how good was Incineroar ACTUALLY video is going to go crazy, lol.
It's not going to be as big as the Landorous since Incin has only been VGC king for around the same time as Lando has, only has 1 form, and isn't nearly as good nor interesting in singles
I'm surprised he didn't mention urshifu , reg d was so bad just because of urshifu tornadus combo.
Amoonguss didn't make it to the list wow
Incineroar is the favourite pokemon of whoever balances the game. There's no other explanation for it.
If the usage rate goes down when including lower placements doesn't that just prove not using it made your team worse?
Haven't watched the video but i imagine Metagross will be mentioned because of how many Worlds Wins its got.
You might need to carry on imagining
This is the closest you've ever been to How SUS was Amoonguss ACTUALLY? and I'm still not dissapointed.
14 video chapters about Incineroar? I mean a little overkill but sure.
What about a video on the top Pokémon with the highest earnings
I knew all of them but the one that took first place
Togekiss :D
13:59 And just like that….
So glad Pokemon is a fair and balanced game with a healthy non-centralized meta
Give Arcanine dragon dance
I told myself if I was writing this i would throw in my favorite mon Togekiss and then say JK! and the end came and i wss like omgnognfofomfimfomg.
Spoilers: Even though i remember early Sw/Sh i didnt think it would count for all time.
At the rate incineroar is going he'll lose intimidate like gengar lost levitate. Also no smeargle?
What? No?
@@mukatte4755 One day pokemon company will want to push other newer pokemon they can sell merch for and having a meta with 100% incineroar flying around isn't gonna do that so they'll have to dark void nerf him too
I ran Incineroar before it was cool.
Incineroar actually has 115 attack, not 110.
Incineroar
Massive Togekiss W
Even with that sale, it's still like 90 bucks. After that John Oliver segment, I don't trust anything from Pearson.
Idk about that sponsor big dawg
Let’s gooo, I’m excited
"Cresselia is the ultimate support 'mon."
Some bipedal cat: "Wanna bet?"
Incineroar is less of a support and more of a glue.
@@jjtheenton yeah, they are more like a saboteur, given that they are effectively used to prevent sweeping and other such things
The cat is more of a disruptor rather than a supporter
@@-TranangKhoa-A-iz3rmthats still a form of support
@@PANGPOWERit depends
I guess this is the closest thing we're getting to "How GREAT was Incineroar Actually"
We’ll get that when it falls out of the meta. Until then, everyone already knows lmao.
if landarous had a false swipe movie I don't wanna see Incineroar VGC comoleted history
Gen 7 alone will be a movie
@@jackalscry8173my mind shivers just from the thought of Incineroar falling out of meta. Just what kind of behemoth would it take to steal this cat place?
At this rate, it's gonna need something even better than "great" when it's finally that cat"s turn to get a video.
"This is my channel and I'll do what I want."
I actually busted out laughing at this. You're not wrong, but dang. 😂
22:06
True chad energy
landorus-t, funny intimidater, is replaced with another intimidating cat. and one of the the best incin answers is.... the other landorus. he always comes back
Landerous is NOT an answer to incineroar. If that were the case, WAY more teams would be using landerous-t. Landerous simply struggles being as useful and consistent as incin which is why he’s practically outclassed most of the time barring a generational gimmick (like dynamax or z-moves)
@@im_happily_sadd3730 you misunderstood what he meant.
Landorus INCARNATE ("the other landorus") had a spike in usage before restricted, because of how well it did into the meta, including amongst the other things 1hkoing Incineroar without fearing Intimidate.
@@im_happily_sadd3730 buddy maybe you should read before you write a hate paragraph
You know who else a funny intimidator? MY MO-
@@worldiefeard8396 Ohhh, that’s what they meant by other landerous lmaoo. Yeah, I remember incarnate getting a lot of usage before regulation G, and I’m pretty sure he won a tournament if I’m not mistaken
If Kieran is the VGC version of Thumbnail Nemona, I'm in big support of it
"Oh and he's got a 110 base Attack".
Incineroar has 115 Attack.
And rilla has 125, gf casually min maxing stats the further we go along, eventually we gonna get someone with mega Beedrill type min max but with an actual BST
@@fleeper20 You mean the Paradox mons?
InB4 Gen 10 gives us Alakazam, in Starter form!
*Incineroar in Vgc*
“THROUGHOUT HEAVEN AND EARTH, I alone am the honored one”
“do you know who else is the honored one?
MY MO-
@@ribeysteak My Mom!
@@hoshino353IMAGINARY TECHNIQUE..... PURPLE
Incineroar: Throughout the Singles and Doubles format, I alone am the intimidating one.”
Kieran: "Ms. Briar... This one is different!"
It have an assault vest
kieran: i timetravelled to the future when legends z-a comes out. this one can mega evolve :D
Not sure who’d be Cindy in that scene.
@@wyawardclownit would be so funny if it didn’t though
The year is 2050 and the winning VGC won against UltraZebatron (255 attack), CockandBallture (prevents Male mons from acting), by using female incineroar with baby doll eyes
Missed opportunity to say Ray Rizzo took the competitive scene by storm in the thunderous section
But he said that.
It can't be understated the stranglehold togekiss had on early gen 8 VGC. It was a mon that could genuinely do anything and everything you needed it to do for your team, and the opponent had to guess the set from closed team sheets. The amount of tech moves and specific EV spreads you could slap on it to surprise your opponent were wild not to even discount the dominance of the standard sets.
(PS. Surprised Amoongus wasn't anywhere in this video. Probably the single most consistently important VGC mons of all time, since I can't think of a single format where it wasn't an incredibly important consideration in the teambuilder, but it probably doesn't have the peaks of others due to well defined counterplay like safety goggles and terrains and such)
You thought the most used pokemon in VGC would be Incineroar, but it was me, Togekiss!
I was honestly surprised. That was a curveball even the heel didn't see coming.
If VGC players think Incen is bad now, just wait until the purple vengeance version with power fists and nuclear knees event drops
They give it decorate
Mega Incineroar gets released with its new ability, As One (Intimidate + Vessel of Ruin + Tablets of Ruin) and more bulk than Lugia.
@Endershock1678 actually I got a better ability name. Glare of a Vigilant.
@@Endershock1678with Shuckle defensive stats and chansee HP
@@jonathanruiz1524 welcome to the perish trap/ohko move meta
Honestly, I LOVE the fact the greatest VGC pokemon ever is a starter
Now we need both nemona and kieran in the thumbnail
i love that we can collectively agree flutter manes statline looks like a child designed it lol
Well more specifically it looks like something out of an unbalanced rom hack (which happens to be just about all of them but I digress).
And urshifu ability also looks like made by the same child
You thought I wouldn't notice the thumbnail was a Jimmy Neutron Movie reference, well the jokes on you!
King Incineroar
Kingcinroar has faked out the opposition
The Emperoar
Nemona needed a break from being in the thumbnail spotlight so Kieran took over for a bit
Nemona is a singles girl
You already know Kieran excelled on doubles
Holy crap, that thumbnail feels like a deep, DEEP cut for some reason lol
Kieran likes his Ultra Lord Incineroar
Lol Kieran in thumbnail. Makes sense he’s a double battler
no Nemona on the thumbnail?
Even she gets a day off
She's for Smogon content. Kieran is for VGC
How broken was Ray Rizzo actually?
I wasn't expecting these recent thumbnails, but I'm so happy to see them. Especially this one, such a good meme.
Who makes the thumbnails for you guys? They're great
I never play competitive Pokemon at all, so I was actually surprised when I started watching your videos and discovered that my favorite pokemon is so good in VGC. I'll accept it being beaten out by Togekiss because I love it too.
Who makes the thumbnails?
hell yeah togekiss
I appreciate the jimmy neutron reference in the thumbnail
Man Ultralord looks different from what I remember
Fun fact, recently I was on a discord call with a friend building a team, and he dropped Incineroar from it in favor of Galarian Moltres. And it was optimal, possibly the first case of removing Incineroar from a team being a good thing.
This is MY channel! I'm gonna do things MY way!😆