Alien 3: The Dichotomy of Love and Hate, part 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2024
- In our final video for Alien 3 we cover the rest of the film, some workprint scenes and how this channel views the film overall.
For the workprint we used click: archive.org/details/alien-3-1...
For part 1 of this deep dive click: • Alien 3: The Dichotomy...
For the behind the scenes of this film click here: • Alien 3: Morons INC. T... - บันเทิง
The funny thing to me about Morse surviving is that there's a scene earlier where Dillion calls him out for flippancy saying, "Oh, right, you're the guy who made a deal with God to live forever."
And then he's the only one who survives the movie.
I never thought of that Cheeze, great insight.
@@RepresentThis I'm not sure what we're meant to take from it, but it is an interesting point.
I am so glad I found this channel.
This channel found you.
This channel was expecting you.
We are glad you found us. You being here makes the channel better.
For me Alien - Alien 3 is the best trilogy of all time, and I disregard anything after. All three are directed by 3 of the best Directors of all time, have great scores, great characters and other than a few nitpicks all three are masterpieces and stand atop in the horror/sci fi genres.
I always loved A3
For me, once that initial shock in 1992 of Hicks and Newt being killed off as they were passed, it made sense. In Alien, Ash's awesome monologue; "A perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. I admire its purity. A survivor. Unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality..." is one off the main ways the creature was so terrifying, it does what it does and couldn't care less what anyone thinks or cares about. So, for me, once that initial shock in 1992 of Hicks and Newt being killed off as they were, it made sense. The alien just did what we fear and love about it, it killed off what we care most for without conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.
The soundtrack alone makes this movie incredible.
I just rewatched Alien 1-4 due to this series. I love Alien 3 except for the deaths of Newt and Hicks. Excellent videos, keep going! 👏🏻
Our deadline for Alien Resurrection is for June. Based on that timeline we will do two or three other films before we get to it.
I will always be a defender of alien cubed. Knowing the differences between all the baldys is like secret knowledge
My favourite and the end of the saga.
Alien 3 is a cinematic masterpiece. My top alien film ever.
Ive been watching the Alien films with my son. when we finished Alien 3 ( theatrical cut as i wanted him to see that before the assembaly cut ) i told him how it was hated when it came out, he said he didnt understand the hate as he really liked it.
How old is your son? I’m trying to figure out what age to introduce them to my son. He knows who the alien is due to Fortnite of all things, but he’s never seen the movies.
I was terribly honest in my Alien video confessing that I was 7 when I saw it. I think I came out somewhat adjusted, but I let my kids see it when they were around 13 as I didn't want them to suffer the same fear I had for the movie. Still, your kids might be tougher than I was. Who knows maybe I was a wimp. :)
My dad showed me the first two when I was 4 (1990). Have loved them ever since.
@@neurohack9038 He is 16.
If alien 3 is the last Jedi of the alien franchise then Alien Resurrection must be the rise of skywalker
😂👌🏻 … spot on!
Nah, Alien³ is actually good. *All* the Sequel trilogy suck.
I love Alien 3. It may not be the best of the series, but it is one of my most re-watched. Great video, and I am glad you go through those dark times all those years ago.
Clive Mantle, who played Clive, is well known of his part as John the Little in the tv show "Robin of Sherwood".
To me the only flaw this movie had is being ALIEN 3. If this was just a stand alone dark edge movie from early 90s i bet it was being in high regards. But the problem it was a "product" from the Alien Franchise, both critics and viewers are expecting more Cameron/Scott stuff... And worst a follow up to the previews movies.
Take all the elements of this movie and put in another universe and you have the perfect Sci-fi.
A3 is great, i love total change in the moves.
Just finished this video (sorry I forgot to comment on the previous one)
Got my notification from your video, got off work, midnight spark a J and played the video and the first comment was mine! I gotta THANK YOU for that, it truly has made me smile, I also thank you for sharing your personal story, this truly adds more weight for loving this movie, I still had goose bumps every time I hear Dylan's speed with Goldenthal crescendo epic score
The intense acting that was spot on!
Detailing the background on every prisoner was an amazing job
I gotta share my story, my mother went to see in theaters Alien³, the next morning she tried to give me some review of it and explained that the alien was more like a cockroach (the wall scenes with not so good CGI) anyway I was intrigued by it, when I watched on TV on cable that change me, to me is a story so bleak but so uplifting at the same time (I can hear the final song from Ripley's dead)
Sacrifice is the main theme for me on this film beside religion
The set is it's own character, it's so unique, that set actually gives me the chills, haunting and creepy
Thank you for covering some of the Workprint, yeah I think I have the same quality rip that is known going around, I hope a kind soul shares a good and you can make a good video out of it
Stoked about Alien Resurrection!!! Can't wait
I never seen Basic Instincts just the "famous" scene, so am gonna be watching that to watch your videos on that one
Thank you! And much respect from Argentina! Have a nice day and keep the good work!
Glad to hear from you again Kresbok, always look forward to your posts.
@@RepresentThis thank you for the shout out! That was awesome!
Looking forward to your videos! Let's go!
Alien 3 is my favorite. Just an eyelash above Alien. Alien 3 has so much to offer and it deserves more respect. I'm drawn more to Alien 3 because it gets bullied by so many. Also it was the first of the Alien movies I saw in theaters. So nostalgia helps. Great review and always awesome!
In retrospect, the decision to killing Hicks and Newt doesn't seem so bad, it allowed the series to not become an Avatar-type adventure series. Nowadays it's rare to see a movie that decides not to give fans exactly what they want, to the point that many series are almost fanfics. I'm a fan of Jurassic Park and Jurassic World, and I like the movies as they are, but the fact that the good characters are always safe by a magical shield takes away some of the suspense and excitement. You made a great work with this Alien 3 videos,I never saw anybody payong attention to the prisioners in Fury 161. and thanks for sharing your petsonal experience with the movie.
Happy to do so and we hope to see your thoughts often.
20:50 I always took this as Ripley hallucinating in the low light conditions. Granted it was never followed up on. She never seems to experience any other hallucinations. But she was clearly under a lot of stress as well as pregnant with the alien. It reminded me a bit about the line Kane has when he wakes up and says he had ‘a horrible dream about some other organism’ (or something to that effect). It made me think the alien embryo could have a subtle psychic effect on its carrier.
Amen. A fair appraisal and I agree with all. I love all 3 of the OT of Alien.
I'm a cinefile. My fav of the franchise was Aliens 3 for 2 decades. I remember when I first saw the trailer in a theater and I said this is the look that I was waiting for. Little did I know this was Fincher. I loved the hopelessness and return to a single predator and no way out. Man vs monster. Sepia toned with a Ridley Scott professionalism. Not perfect, but pretty damn close.
I really hope they fix some of the Alien puppetry shots in the 4k restoration of this film, its the only thing this film needs, it would be a dream come true
Wasn't a big fan of this back in the day I didn't hate it I just felt it wasn't as good as 1 and 2 but became a much bigger fan after seeing the assembly cut.. Now I occasionally have an Alien day where I watch 1-3 and then spoil my night by watching 4..Glad you mentioned it it was an unforgivable waste to off Charles Dance so early..
I was already a huge fan of the first two movies when I saw Alien 3 at the movie theatre, we all came out of the theatre agreeing how much we enjoyed it. I was 21 at the time. I’ve seen it many times since then and get something new from it every time. I only watch the re-edit of the movie these days. So much time has passed since its release and the fact that people are still analysing it is a testament to Fincher, Rawlings etc. They got so much out of a dire situation.
Great channel, thank you for the new insights. I’m also glad I stumbled upon this channel.
I was always deeply interested in the making of this movie and considered myself quite proficient with its history. Not only did you put all pieces together but even more than I knew of. I consider this to be the most complete documentary on the subject to exist. Amazing job!
Appreciate that Captaincasual. I hope you are here for our Alien Resurrection coverage which begins next Friday. Would like to hear your thoughts on that one as well.
Love this film, I appreciate your take on its many pros and cons. Glad you found hope in this world too, the film had an impact on me too.
This content you're putting out is fantastic. Thank you. Yeah Alien 3 is a bit unfairly maligned. I never had much problem with it really. Hell I got the Alien 3 NECA figures. Ripley, Dog Alien, and one of the Weyland Yutani 'animal control' guys with the col suit. I think David Fincher would be very touched to hear how it was such an important film at that stage in your life.
Didn't realize Pete Posthelwaites character was named David Postelwaite
Agree with pretty much everything you said. There is a lot for people to hate about this film, especially if they came off the high of loving Aliens and its tone. On the other hand, there is a great deal of depth in this film that isn't fully realized, which means you have to dig for it.
It really does stick with me, the feeling of an exhausted soldier years into a war choosing to continue to fight despite knowing they will likely die in the effort because it is better to meet your end on your feet on your terms than on your knees. There is always hope even in the most desolate moments. I appreciate this, and I appreciate those that fought so hard to make it good in the face of the obstacles preventing it.
I also acknowledge anyone has the right to hate it.
Couldn't have said it any better.
Man, thank you for opening up. I also have a special place for this one, even though it has flaws. Many people miss out on the strong sides. I am also glad that Fincher career did not end with this movie, and like you, he managed to have a future.
I really enjoyed these. Been keeping up with them over the weeks. I've always been obsessed Alien 3 and the stories behind the making. I've learned so much in these videos with new information.
36:49 I was kinda expecting it, and i totally agree.
Great Director and cast, sheit story
Another great video in the series, sir.
I constantly yap about how this is my favorite movie series ever. I usually say "The first one is the best one, I watch the second the most, but the third film (the assembly cut at least), is my favorite." I taught a Film class last Fall and played all three as an experiment in October. Loved all the different student reactions.
That's interesting 42nd, how did your students take it overall?
Great essais ! Definitely, the most detailed behind the scenes for the preproduction and production of this movie.
Thanks, French, more to come.
I totally agree with your verdict. Though I like to watch Alien and Aliens a lot, I like to ponder about Alien 3 the most. Especially Finchers infused subtle interpersonal dynamics is my favorite here.
Thank you for this well-thought-out justification of this film. I've loved it from its first appearance. I've grown to appreciate it through the decades and your analysis has confirmed its contributions to the series.
I'm digging these Alien movie breakdowns. I binge-watched the other ones.
I’ve always enjoyed Alien 3. And have always defended it despite its flaws. Like you say, it really is unique amongst all the films. Fincher’s talent is evident even here. I saw this in the theater at age 13, even had to have my mom run in to say it was as ok for me to see it!
Thank you so much. I´ve tried twice to get inside the cinema, but i was just fourteen. In Germany, this movie was accessable at sixteen. So i had to wait until it was in the rentals. I just remember how ********* up i was watching Alien 3 the first time. But over the years i learned to to love it. So overwhelmingly strong. Such a strong message. Dillon´s speeches are so great. And if you ever were really down in your your life, you´ll find this one more than enlightenment. Despite all the pre-produktion: this is all about humanity!
and it all started with a plot hole
Nice to hear your journey with the movie in perspective.
I enjoy Alien 3.
I has something similar to the xeno lifecycle about it. Birth and rebirth.
You can't change yesterday. You think you can change today, but today is just tomorrow's yesterday. You can't change today, tomorrow or even right now. Alien 3 was _always_ going to be Alien 3, no matter how much people fought and bickered. The final product already existed in a future yet conceived. The only thing in life that you can change is how you feel and think, everything else will happen the way it happens regardless. There is a beauty in ugliness and Alien 3 is an ugly mess and a masterpiece. Whether people love it or hate it, it just is.
Have watched all these Alien3 vids - great stuff. Lots of details I never realised. I initially came out the cinema originally so depressed but over the years the look & feel really won me over, but it was the assembly cut that really did it for me - was so much better and gave all the characters more screen time - cutting the Golic subplot out the original & having him disappear midway through the movie was criminal (pun intended). Also loved your personal story at the end - really touching.
I’ll just post this first comment here cuz I’m a fan (of Alien 3)
Yay! Thanks CrazyKoenie.
I’d have to agree that the movie by it self was very unique and interesting. But like you Aliens resonated with me when I was a kid and this movie destroyed it by killing Newt and Hicks. I just can’t ignore that feeling when evaluating this movie.
Your opinion and reasoning are very valid as well.
Great video! Can't wait for Alien Res. Just a personal note about it tho, basically everyone body calls Alien Res as Alien 4, and it's not, in my opinion. It was the forth movie but I still think if we ever get another alien movie following the original trilogy, it should be called Alien 4. And there is a lot to explore. The derelict ship is still intact in LV-426 with many eggs.
I consider Alien Resurrection the same way. As it's not really a continuation of Ripley's story, but another Ripley. It is a reboot or resurrection. It's not a continuation so to speak.
hell yeah
Movies about redemption is fine. Only I dont see the point of an Alien movie focusing on that. I wanted a good story and continuation of the events and characters that came before. Alien 3 put the entire machine into a tailspin it still havent recovered from. Over 30 years later and people still hope someone will make redemption for what this movie did
Awesome! Took down the Basic Instinct episode as well. Keep it coming! Thank you!
The final Basic Instinct video will be up next Friday and I'm finishing the script for Return of the Jedi now.
Excellent deep dive, I really enjoyed it. I agree the score is excellent and Fincher did more than most to give the terrible script a chance of success. I watched it first at the cinema in 1992 and was gutted with the in-credits death of both Newt and Hicks and almost walked out. I stuck with it and at the end, coming from the UK and knowing how good the British actors were, was dumbfounded at how little they were given to work with, it definitely was the Sigourney Weaver show as you highlighted in Part 1... I have never watched the Theatrical Cut again. I watched the Assembly Cut a couple of times and this was better for sure, but not enough to make me watch it again after that alas. Fincher is a superb director and he clearly gave this film a chance and a pulse - I don't love it or hate it, it's just so so really, which is sad for me to say as an Alien fan.
A lot of folks feel the way you do Nick. The death of Newt and Hicks could have been handled better.
David Giler and Walter Hill are the bad guys in all these Alien documentaries.
My problem with the comments section is that I don't have time to type all my thoughts but I love conversation. All I can say is I enjoyed your views in this video and hope I do get to talk to you about them, some day.
I am always here Christopher and I think our email is in my channel description for anyone, anytime.
Great video!
I can't wait for your Alien Resurrection videos.
really well done. Bravo
I was torn after seeing this in the theatre but I ADORED the look, feel and music. When I saw the assembly cut my mind was blown. I love it. It's a thing of beauty. Another great vid, thank you.
If the story immediately follows after Aliens
(a) Newt must be re-cast due to the aging of Carrie Henn
(b) Hicks would have to become the co-lead of the story thus meaning that it is not a Ripley-focused story but a Newt-protecting story
If the story puts in a time jump after Aliens
(a) still possible re-cast of Newt
(b) due to her experiences and responsibility of raising Newt, Ripley psychologically would never allow for any pursuit of xenomorphs due to danger to herself and/or Newt and/or leaving Newt
(c) having xenomorphs threaten Ripley and Newt at a later time would be a cheap contrived plot device that would come across as just being convenient for the plot to happen. Wow, how unlucky that these xenomorphs show up AGAIN to bother Ripley and Newt.???!!!
The only options are
(a) a Ripley movie with her as pivot central character, no Newt, no Hicks
(b) a Newt re-cast with Ripley and Hicks but with divided character focus
(c) a Hicks central character movie with only Ripley and Newt cameos
We got the first option.
It was possible to have Ripley as the only main character without killing Newt, Hicks, and Bishop.
There was no need to re-cast Newt. She can be moved off-screen without killing her.
What's wrong with Hicks being the co-lead? That's what he was in ALIENS.
Having Hicks be the sole lead character would have been fine with me. Ripley deserved a rest. Her character arc was finished.
Thank you so much for this review, alien 3 is my favorite of alien films because it grows on me every time I watch it and I even read the novel which is something I usually don’t do, because the world David Fincher created was unique and I wanted to know more. I subscribe to your channel now. Well done 👍🏻
Glad to have you and thanks for your insights.
@@RepresentThis you’re welcome ☺️ and thank you too 👍🏻
Great review as always. I appreciate the level of detail that you give here. It’s a cut above what you find in most places.
We will always try to do this. Hopefully our future videos will not disappoint.
Considering Battle Beyond the Stars is a Roger Corman film, it's damn-near 2001.
Im so happy for you, happy you found something to live for. Thank you for this channel ❤
We all do and I'm happy you found us.
I love all six movies equally, partly because how unique they are and reflect the filmmakers behind them, and I will always defend them, because this franchise is more than just Aliens like many would want, and it's more than horror, sci-fi, or action, they explore other themes, and visually and musically they're all so unique. And I'm glad seeing Alien3 re-evaluated over time, because ever since I was a little kid and saw it, I loved the oppressive, depressive tone, and it always made perfect contrast with the adrenaline feast that it's Aliens. To make things short, I truly love all of them.
PS. Maybe I love Alien Covenant a little less :D
Even 4?
I love your outlook on Alien3. I find myself able to rewatch this more than any other Alien (or predator), excepting maybe the original Alien. the necessity of the prisoners to face the alien... the dark tones; fatalistic characters facing a true existential crisis... it would have been nice to have hicks and newt around, would have been lovely to see Clemons last a bit longer, but overall it was a horror movie of depth and nuance.
I've made my peace with Alien 3 over the years. The assembly cut helped me get to that point. I like to think that the story is one last nightmare Ripley is having in the Sulaco on the trip home. Right after the final scene, we cut to Ripley being awakened by Newt and Hicks while in orbit around Earth. In this way, her final psychological demons are overcome at last. And I have one last thing to add. I thought Alien 3 suffered unanimous hate; it wasn't until many years later that I discovered that some people actually like Alien 3. I made a friend in recent years who likes Alien 3 as much as Alien and Aliens. He was the first person I met in real life who likes Alien 3. It was like finding a unicorn in the real world. I remember thinking: You actually like Alien 3? How can anyone like Alien 3? And yet it's true.
So nice to hear from you again Wyrmwould as I was really taken with your tale about your experience in 1992 with your mom. Thus, I quoted you on our first deep dive video as I thought it was poignant. The funny thing about Alien 3 fans is that there are many unicorns today. I think it's a population boom! :)
@@RepresentThisYes, I have discovered more people who like and even love Alien 3. I wish I could love it as much as they do. I told mom about you using that quote by the way. When I mentioned Alien 3, she actually started ranting about how much she hates it. I was sorry I brought it up. To my knowledge, she has only ever watched it all the way through once, and that was with me in the mall when it premiered and yet for her the dissapointment is still fresh. I know that sounds ridiculous, but it's true!
@@Wyrmwould I don't think it's ridiculous at all because the folks that hate this film have valid, quantifiable views for disliking it. One of the channel members commented that Alien 3 was the Last Jedi of the Alien franchise, and I quoted that person as well. The Last Jedi deserves the hate just as much as Alien 3 and there are specific issues with both of the films. Again, this is one of those things that makes us all unique in how we view films and that should be celebrated. So glad you commented again. See you next vid.
Loved this film but the assembly cut is far superior. It does have some mistakes but that makes it endearing
Thank you for your insightful videos. I’ve hit the subscribe button! 🙂👍
So glad you joined us.
14:15 The weird industrial music for this scene was also used in Batman & Robin
Yeah, the glow gang. I always laughed when I think of them. You know in the back of my mind doing the first 4 Batman movies have been in the back of my mind for about a month now. Not ready to commit to that research yet though.
23:05 I'm sure in the version I have Morse take's the scissors & then puts them back in Jude's hands so he is holding the blades & then scolds & lectures him on how to carry scissors safely.....negating the reason he has them in the firt place ie the only weapon they could find.
Maybe it was removed for pacing but the timing & comedic value was genius
Thanks 4 a great deep dive into this somewhat flawed but unforgettable movie! 🙂
This is the first time I've come across your channel and am really impressed by the presentation, I did watch part 1 first. I already watch a lot of analysis channels but have also subscribed to yours. I'm a big sci-fi fan in general but when younger, my older brother would record movies off TV on VHS, movies like the Alien series, Dune, Psycho, Escape from New York and many more.
I would have seen them in this order, Aliens, Alien then Alien 3. Even though I get why people love the first 2, which I do too, this is my favourite. You've outlined many of the reasons I love, most notably the character performances. I saw so many personalities in the residents. What I love about this movie is how different it is from the others and that it is such a hostile environment for Ripley. Though the crimes of the residents of Fury 161 are not unexpected, it was great to match the crimes to more of them.
My interpretation of the Alien / pipe scene is that it was her perception of the situation, she saw what she wanted to see.
There is a shift in how the Aliens are portrayed in terms of their intelligence, independence and instinct. I still enjoy them in the first 3 movies, one of the few good things to come out of AVP was Grid. An Alien who was injured by a Predator net and developed a personality.
Well James so glad you joined the channel and you mentioned Escape From New York and when I start my John Carpenter series with Halloween in October, Escape will be soon behind it. Old sci-fi is just so good.
Oh, what I forgot to give my opinion on the Hicks / Newt situation. Whether it is the same one you mentioned, I listened to an audiobook of a totally different Alien 3. It was interesting and I do think that they could have been valuable allies to Ripley. I heard that they wanted to have Hicks take over as series lead. That would have been a mistake for the series, Ripley needed to remain front and centre. 80's and 90's movies had so much character. Because movies, on the whole, have been dire since the end of Marvel Phase 3, many content creators have been going on a massive nostalgia binge and it has been amazing. Like Although not my favourite of the original 6 Star Trek movies, I have always had a soft spot for 5. Predator 2 also get a lot of unfair hate that I have never understood. As I said in my first comment, a terrific breakdown that, with both parts, is almost as long as the movie itself. Really impressed by the presentation and so enjoyable. @@RepresentThis
@@jamesabernethy7896 5 can be amazing as there is a theory out there that it's a dream in Kirk's head and it makes it really interesting because when the three sit around the campfire they go to bed and at the end they are in the same clothes and in the same spots as if it was all a dream. Then you can watch it and take it as it is which gives you a film with 2 different views depending on how you watch it. All the Classic Trek films are wonderful.
I've never seen that theory. An element that gets a lot of hate is Kirk's death in generations. I've always liked it as dying in battle felt too cliché. He said in 5 that he'd always known that he'd die alone. And although Picard was with him. Picard was a stranger from the wrong Enterprise. He was in a strange place, in a strange time, away from everything that he knew.@@RepresentThis
I have been thinking about your videos ever since I discovered them a couple of weeks ago. Truly fascinating stuff and incredibly well researched.
Thank you and kudos.
great job mate. so greatful for your vision of that movie
Concerning the egg shown in the early seconds of the film, I agree that its implementation was beyond stupid. Although I have no problem with the facehugger been inside the Sulaco, because in the hive scene on Aliens, we see eggs opening up right before Ripley decides to torch them, so to me it would have made more sense that some huggers bursted out of the eggs, saw the queen storming off the place, got into her back and reached the Sulaco with her. No need for an egg summoned thru a cheat console command.
As for the film's ending, I prefer the theatrical cut, I love the music, the shot and those damn screams from the queen as Ripley huggs her tight during her fall, besides she was screwed from the beginning, The Company(tm) wouldn't allow her to live even if she gave away the alien with extreme joy in her eyes.
I am glad you mentioned Holt. Excellent actor now! Was great in Mindhunter and (from what I remember) Fight Club. I don't like the r**e scene. I understand that it is a brutal planet with convicts and Ripley is the first woman that has been around in forever, or ever, but it was psychologically messed up. The AC and theatrical cut do not dwell on it but they dwell on how badass and fierce Dillon is. That guy (played amazingly by Charles S. Dutton) is someone that could have your back forever if you don't betray him, but if you do betray him, whoa, look out. Tough SOB! Clemens (played by the equally amazing Charles Dance) was a really good character, but unlike Dillon, he doesn't make it to the end of the movie. Clemens death only serves to isolate Ripley further, and we already get too much of that from the opening scene onward. This movie has some great acting, but never manages to bring all the pieces together; not even in the Assembly Cut, which I do like. There are so many more things to say about it, but you have that covered well.
Charles Dutton served five years in prison for manslaughter.
What a wonderful way to start my weekend..... Your analysis is fantastic. Excellent material, well spoken. Beautifully edited.
That's very generous of you Marcus.
the movie stuck in my mind as the loudest thriller-drama after I first saw Orca. The killer whale. both have that desparation airstreams that triggers me to the feeling that this life is defenetly made up not for fun , but for sacrifying. either way everything ends up with it. as well as this video
I agree. Alien, Alien 3, Aliens. In that order. I really didn’t like Cameron’s effort. It just didn’t pull me in - I was always aware I was watching Cameron.
The extra character moments of the assembly are nice to see, but honestly the theatrical cut is just better.
Really, couldn't disagree more.. I don't hate the theatrical cut but I enjoy the assembly cut waaay more.
@@dannicatzer305 the Assembly has a bunch more stuff but it just feels slapped in there, it's a pace killer all over the place. I'm sure if Fincher were still cutting it at the time he wouldn't have left it in that state. For all of the theatrical cut's flaws it's as tight as a drum. Plus, I think the alien being birthed from the dog is way better.
Very mixed about the film but have come to admire its bold daring choices. Not sure how the other versions of Alien3 would be held up? The Eric Redd version sounds abysmal, as far as the Neill Blomkamp Alien Awakening that may have been fan service mess, could've been good could've been crap.
Buh-? I remember the mad review "Basically It Stinks". Can't tell if that was as funny as I now find it or not.
Alien³ is a great movie and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise!
There are many who love this film JMH. You are not alone.
The plot hook alone of the alien on the Sulaco killed any chance of this film being successful. The Dark Horse comics series that came out before this film set a perfect blueprint for potential Aliens sequels.
When is part 3 coming out already. Cmon man.
This video is actually part 4. Part 1 and 2 were Moron's INC about the Producers. But the deep dive into the movie was titled Dichotomy of Love and Hate because it was no longer about producers. I worried it might cause confusion, thus at the end of part 2 I put a picture of these videos but I'm sure I lost some carry over audience that didn't notice it. I think I'm going to change the thrumbnail to have a picture of The Moron INC thumb inside it to help.
@@RepresentThis brother i watched those 2 part producer videos you made. I enjoyed them most. Great work. Thank you for your talents and efforts. WHEN IS PART 5 OUT ALREADY!?! :) Only joking brother
Quite a lot of rapists in this film. Weird how the producers were so keen on their script having so many rapists meant to be sympathetic characters.
I guess counterfeiting and embezzlement don't exist in the future. 😁
I really do enjoy this film and like many, I am annoyed with the cheap deaths of Newt and Hicks after going through all they did in Aliens. I think a more satisfying approach would be to recast Newt to keep it an immediate follow up and have an early Hicks death by the Alien to keep it Ripley and Newt focused. Could swap Hicks for the Charles Dance death scene for the same shocking death with greater emotional stakes. Audiences would probably still be upset but not nearly as bad as they were with the cheap deaths. Ripley could still die at the end with Newt and Morse being the only survivors. This wouldn't change much at all to the film but I think would improve it substantially and be immensely more satisfying. Even still, I enjoy rewatching this unfairly maligned sequel (in my opinion) every couple of years. I think the tone is amazing but could also factor into the hate it gets. Great job on the videos
Aliens: Phalanx is an excellent novel FYI
It was definitely a unique take on the Alien franchise. I've read a bunch of the books and anything Alien has me interested, mostly.
My love for Alien 3 has only grown over the years. Do you know why the basement scene was completely removed from the work print you provided? I would have loved to have seen all of that scene.
Most likely budget reasons but I could be wrong.
you did great work with this video... so even if you didnt talk about ripleys ass, i need to thank you for it!!!!
Thanks Carlos.. Tell me about that. I haven't heard of it. When you mentioned it in the last video, I looked it up and more questionable things were found if you get my drift. I didn't find anything on it.
@@RepresentThisi promise im not obsessed with her ass** ok i am... it has dissapeared from the rape-scene ,, but i distinctly remember seeing it , the first time i saw the movie!! and i never saw it again^^ so that bugs me somehow^^ that scene was much more explicit than it looks now
Ripley's ass?
@@RepresentThisi distinctly remember that the first time i saw the movie,, they had her pants down and i got to see ripleys ass in tha rapè scene ---and then i never saw it again... wich always bugs me!!! Bc if the actress went thru with it on set,, i think we somehow deserve to see it too-- and bc i hate censorship with a passion.
Wait theres more!? 😂
Sadly, this is the last one for Alien 3 Ultimate, thanks for your returning comments.
@RepresentThis see new alien Romulus teaser??.. looks great.. I love Fede Alverezs work.. he keeps it practical wherever he can
@@ultimatesunrise I have, and I am trying to be optimistic. I have set aside a week to see the film and possibly make a video if it is worthy enough. However, the trend of current day films gives me pause. We have seen some amazing trailers for some really bad films since 2015. Don't let my optimism curtail any enthusiasm you might have though.
"The Last Jedi of the Alien Franchise", yeah nah, A3 has it's issue's but it's not that bad and Prometheus did way more damage to the franchise by comparison.
Thank you for video and congratulations for your work. This is Top Tier. For me Alien 3 is such an important movie because it Dared. It Dared to go against all that is expected against a third part of a story. It matters because Fincher went at it with all odds against him. I respect Alien 3 because it is real… screw happy endings.. you deal with whatever happens next in your journey.
Bishop 2 is an android. Look that ear... a new model with red blood, who knows... to convince Ripley
In the Year 2525 (Exortium and Terminus) is by Zager and Evans.
I really liked the video.
Tbh, you really have me questioning whether Aliens 3 is the better film
Im sorry but there is NOTHING salvageable about this movie.
As Walter said in Covenant, if one note is off, that can destroy the whole symphony. Thats what happened in the first 10 minutes of Alien 3. Actually, an entire page of notes were off. The symphony gave everyone a really bad taste in our mouths before it even started. With the diarrhea colors of the film, that never changed.
With the abysmal characters like the men that assaulted Ripley in favor of sweet and innocent Newt or courageous and honorable Hicks, this movie really had no chance
Bad take. The Earth War comic would have made for a great continuation.
Quoting me will probably upset that numpty who told me off for liking the movie...
Don't worry about that, cause in the end you were quoted, not the one who was angry about your fair opinion of a movie. Thanks for chiming in.
I actually hate the "crud" line. It could have been literally anything else but it's terrible
As the old saying goes, if it ain't on the page, it ain't on the stage.
In other words, I hate Alien 3 so I hate what you're arguing the opposite. Despite the maker showing TONS of things IN THE MOVIE. Another gatekeeper of thought who did not even read the description of this channel.
@@zther3226 Huh?
I just can't bring myself to like this film. I respect the actors and especially Finchers efforts to make something genuine out of a really bad script and a nightmare production.
However the end result with all the flaws are still a result of two arsehole producers who didn't actually give a shit. Its not the worst movie ever, far from but compared to the tight quality of it's predecessors and the meddling in the script by Weaver and the suits, its just an unholy reminder that an artistic vision can be viciously torn down by corporate husks.
Love that you shared your views and everything you said is completely valid.
@@RepresentThis and thank you for making this series! I really enjoyed this deep dive into Alien 3 from the production to your analysis of the movie itself, I'm definitely going back to watch your previous videos on this channel, you've earned a sub! 😁