Beach Road Slashing in Singapore: Has Society Gone To Shit? | TDK Podcast #89
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- What does the beach road chopper attack tell us about our society? Is there an appropriate way to react to a cheating spouse? Are laws the only thing keeping us from harming one another?
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hi, i recently found this channel and have been binging most of the videos. i really like podcasts like these bc it’s so entertaining to hear diff ideas regarding matters, and it also makes me feel less alone tbh. yea! thanks for the quality uploads :)
The butter dance that Dan is talking about is Melati Suryodarmo’s Butter Dance. I actually had the pleasure to speak to Melati about this particular butter dance, and it's actually her interpretation of the fragility of being a woman in today's society. Btw she is actually slipping on butter, so it's completely real. i honestly loved the honesty and vulnerability of her performance! So shoutouts!
after listening to soo many eps, I feel so happy for Denise!! I know it is not easy for our parent's to speak their heart because that's the environment they grew up in. most of them didnt grew up in a TLC environment like most nowadays so they won't know how to express their feelings. It really warms my heart to hear Denise and mama Denise sitting down to talk through the matter (':
ALSO, you guys are great la in sharing your own personal stories. This is why I LOVE the daily ketchup. contents and topics never fails to make me wanna hear!
Can I suggest starting a horror podcast too where you share your own personal encounters or from friends. I really love listening to horror podcast and you guys will be the perfect hosts because you can tell a story really well
A ST article recently reported that the number of knife-related crimes involving murder, robbery, rioting and serious hurt has remained "relatively constant" over the past five years, averaging about 150 cases annually. That's like once every 2 to 3 days! It seems to me that people have been more alert about such incidents and interested to know/talk about it since RV and with increasing awareness of mental health too. Feels like we are collectively trying to process a trauma of sorts, experiencing some hyper-vigilance, trying to make sense of such violence. Personally, it makes me feel less safe in sg when I hear about these incidents often, so many people reaching their brink and snapping. Nuanced conversations like this helps!
8:00 The Empty chair technique can also have instances whereby the therapist sits in that empty chair and this technqiue is part of a therapy school of thought called Schema therapy.
I love this Schema therapy because it has both a modern and nostalgic approach whereby you deal with current issues plaguing you and you also deal with your past and sub-conscious from your childhood.
If the therapist is super capable, you can literally unravel all your subconscious defense mechanisms and possibly raise your self-awareness to a level that could write a book.
Then about the part where men tend to express anger and hurt others through actions (a.k.a the chopping) and women tend to express anger and hurt others through words (a.k.a egging you on, tearing down your dignity, self-worth, etc.). It is a biological thing. Men fundamentally have bigger muscle mass and bone density, so the men will play to their advantage and use it, for women, despite having lesser muscle mass and bone density, they utilise their emotional prowess(?) to tear others down with sharp and hurtful words/insults.
Rhthym 0, i think you failed to see the other faction you were mentioning. The faction that protected her. Yes, there is monstrosity in humanity, and mainstream news channels love to announce and report about it because it gets attention, views, sharing, etc. See how famous Logan Paul is for his stupid stunts in Japan. See how stupid people become rich and famous at the young age of 14 (Cashme outside girl). Of course, these are just 2 names that comes to my mind when exemplifying the lost of faith in humanity. However, there is the other side of the faction that isn't announced or celebrated as much. What's the reason? I genuinely think it's because charity does not seek publicity. If you want to do good or be inherently good, you would do it even if no social media spotlight were shone upon you. Those who film themselves doing good (e.g. saving a trapped animal, giving to the poor, helping out in disaster areas, travelling to developing countries to build infrastructure) might be doing it with an agenda in mind.
For the Baby experiment, I think you guys missed the point about it. It showed that we are good at birth or at 10 months old. Askign for a control experiment is nigh impossible because it would be a breach of ethics: to make sure a newborn is brought up in an extremely neutral environment (i.e. no love, no violence, no good, no bad) until 10 months old, to test against this experimental group. However, a longitudinal experiment could be conducted as a part 2 whereby these same babies grow up to about 4-5 years old (since you mentioned it was the age they learnt to lie) and test the kids on a variety of good and evil deeds. However, that's up to the developmental psychologists' choice to continue this study.
Sorry, i know i commented super long on your other video as well, but some sub-topics that are discussed and it is just left hanging on a very haphazard note.
I do look forward to the topics you guys want to tackle compared to other podcasts, but golly, I think the conversations need more refinement to zoom in and out (be it freestyle or not), to get a better covered micro and macro perspective.
P.S. Maybe there are others that i haven't discovered yet that are to my liking that's why i am kinda beating on you guys.
Wow! Your comment is very informative! Thank you for that! I’m currently reading a book called “Human Kind A Hopeful History” by Rutger Bergman which highlights how human would actually react in an unfavorable situation and discovers how biased the research was about humanity that had been done in the past. Long story short, humans are kind in general until the birth of civilization.
If we were to put in a dire situation where we have no resources left, we won’t eat each other (you probably know that yourself), we get the idea of eating each other to survive was just a story shown by the TV to get our attention and get us hooked if possible. Hence, most tv shows now have sex and violent while those kind and loving ones are just “boring”.
Look into Six Tongan Castaway in Ata island if you need hard facts to get convinced and why Homo sapiens can survive the ice age while homo neanderthalensis were stronger and smarter than us. :D
I haven’t finished the book yet but I believe it will help me to see the good in people again. My “bible” for sho :)
Curious, How do you all come up with the topics to discuss? And whats the prep process like?
Love this, I've not missed an episode!
the topics from the news basically lah...lol..but selected....tbh i didnt think tis concept would work and when it first aired, tot it was cheesy...but was wrong....it totally works...and it suits the casts perfectly i think...even if more talkshows like this come up later...tis will always be the first and in our hearts..lol
Nice to hear Denise bringing up Marina Abramović's work :)
I just came back from a week long holiday and as soon as I came back I binged the last 3 eps haha. Never missed an episode. Love this pod so much ❤️
the baby experiment reminds me of a discussion i had surrounding my literature subject in secondary school on whether humans are innately evil/violent (based on the book Lord of the Flies)
so basically we concluded that though debatable, humans ARE innately evil, and that it is the society that teaches and sculpts them to be “civilised”. in the book, a group of boys are stranded on an island due to a plane crash and one thing leads to another and some of the, started k*lling the other boys due to personal or even no reason. they started off being “civilised” in a sense where they even split into groups and had leaders and rules but as it went by the “evil” in them grew and it spiralled out of control.
relating that to the performance art that Denise mentioned, the acts that people are doing to the performer were initially harmless per se, because everyone is sculpted to be “civilised” and know that there are legal and/or morally obligations that prevents them from harming another human being, until they start pushing boundaries and find that there isnt any consequences to what they were doing, which then resulted in the guy who held the g*n to the performers head. similarly in the book, it was because the boys who were so called the “wild ones” got away with their first incident that resulted in their behaviour later on in the book (anyway if yall are interested theres a movie based on the book too so i guess you can watch it?)
society deems killing is bad because if killing is allowed than there is nothing to stop someone from killing you other than your ability to prevent said killing. So if you want a functioning society where physcially weaker member can co-exist with strong member, you have to provide some assurance to the members that well-being/self-interests can be safe guarded by the society.
This is such an important topic, anger management, and I felt that it was very well covered here.
i believe that we all only act within boundaries because there are laws prohibiting us from acting outside the boundaries.
that is very true,but still i cannot believe most people are straight up savages(almost animal like or worse),i can imagine myself behaving normally without any rules
I love that local podcasts are engaging more with social issues. I think the debate is not whether humans are either good or bad. We all have our animalistic instincts driven by desire and survival. But humans are also given a faculty of choice to take a step back and rationalize all these things. Controlling and keeping our animalistic instincts do not necessarily have to come from legalistic means either. In the Ancient Greek and Roman times, Stoic philosophers had debated long and hard on keeping these instincts in check as a way of life and human virtue. However, I feel a lot of these conversations are lost in our modern age due to the overemphasis on materialism. In fact, novels by Bret Easton Ellis such as Less Than Zero or Chuck Palahniuk's Fight Club do have a social commentary on the effects of a consumerist culture. Somewhat.
Back for Shermaine's blue dustbin cup. I will give a subscribe if ya'll drop the link of where to get it from.
Thomas Hobbes once said "War is a natural state of man"
topics aside, denise’s bottle so cute LOL
we all grew up with "you don't listen later apunene catch you." that is racial programming also
not all but yea.. i think another form of racial programming is when parents/other adults project their own internalised racism (which is what i personally experienced) by spewing their+my race's racial stereotypes as if they are fact . (minority btw)
Moments: 40:00 trouble with parents
4 times dinner a year x 20 years left = 80 more dinners/meals a year
Shermaine is back! I love you Shermaine!
Woah that's gotta be one of the heaviest topic discussed to date, I had to pause a few times to take a break. Nonetheless, great points brought up but I still believe that people are born good and that evil behaviors are learnt
This reminds me of Lord of the Flies by William Golding which suggests that human nature is fundamentally savage.
ah i was waiting for this topic.
“amber heard can’t relate 👎” lmao 9:12
where to watch the hand dangling video? I can't find
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38:20 Actually 'Kurzgesagt - In a Nutshell' brought this up as well in one of their videos ' What Are You Doing With Your Life? The Tail End'. It really shows how short life is when you put them into numbers.
Hi daily ketchup, May i know how does the ergotune chair feel?
i love the water bottles man.
I just noticed denise's water bottle..hahaha..was it always there? So cute!
What i teach in the topic of Population:
reasons for high birth rates in less developed countries
1. perception of children as an economic source - like farmers need manual labour as they dont have capital to buy machinery. so use kids as free labour. if they live in slums, 5 kids = 5 total income
2. high infant and child mortality rate - so have more to make up for some dying. they die due to lack of sanitation and clean water and lack of access to healthcare
3. lack of availability of contraception and family planning - sex is a taboo subject. if muslim or christian run country, do not allow contraception and abortion.
4. women's status - role at home = no need to educate = have more number of childbearing years. in singapore, the average age for first child is 31 years so the number of childbearing years is shortened
Thanks for addressing on my comment. Hahahaha ☺️
love the content and huge fan.. usually a bit hard to listen to the commentary about the US though, because a lot of it is very shallow and based on what is pushed to us, rather then a nuanced reality.
All court proceedings seem to have stopped in May 2022. Are there any updates.
relate to dan alot on arguing in my head HAHAHA
if they’re separated, why is it considered cheating?
Maybe thats the cause of their divorce, which subsequently she still compete against the ex with that cheating guy? 🤷🏻♀️
lollll "Joshua is that you"
I learnt that "hurt people" hurt people
Can you do a video about the kids in Malaysia lying on the road to wait for cars to hit them?
whats with the kiddy waterbottle in front of denise - so cute
They finally used the TV to show!!!!
We need to stop taking sides and take the story in as it is. Not that we can't form our own opinions but we always have to consider both sides objectively. The guy with the chopper might have been going through shit that made him want to do that, but the way the narrative is being written tend to garner sympathy for the person being attacked because it is something that we can physically see, the blood, the attack, the violence. We can't know the full situation of what kind of emotional/mental pain that the woman/victim has inflicted on the man that made him cross the limit and do something like this. I'm not defending the guy but there is more to the story than what is on the surface, seen through videos circulating online.
My point is that humans are not good or bad, we just have very nuanced relationships with other humans. Where we love each other, we also hurt each other, one cannot survive without the other. So yes we do want to harm each other inherently, but we do want to love each other inherently too. I don't think humans are selfish, we're just complicated as hell in the way we form relationships with other people and things.
Algo!!!
Yes
with power comes great responsibility . hahahahaha
i thought he was going to say that
John's awkwardness during Dan's intro rating: 5.2/10
If someone tried to light me up, I would punch him and protect myself. Who cares about the law at that time..it's about self preservation
Oh helll yeah!
Isn’t it considered self defence tho 😂😂
17:30-
yea I know sometimes I stop walking and keep an eye on them cyclist just to see if the kids aren't gonna run into the bikes or the bikes aren't gonna crash into old folks or doggies.
some food delivery bikes too.
some using those fat tire bikes,
and most of them do say thank you and I wave them and they wave back.
no idea what might happen but murphy's law so prepared to react some how good or bad.
I just found my favourite performance art oof
lets talk about 13th may happen in malaysia
They aren’t local tho
Still any form of violence is wrong and should not be glorified, unless in self defence. When it comes to games, games are all it is games, games does not equal real life no?.
Alternatives to violence could always have been selected (willsmith) one could always choose to walk away. Well unless you're johny depp and amber heard doesn't let you escape.
Is not trust, is entitlement 😅
where's jon
Who decided that killing is wrong? Probably the majority of people who 1. don't want to be killed 2. don't have the tendency to kill and thus won't support something that not only increases the chances of themselves being harmed yet doesn't bring them any additional benefits. Then you have the exception, which consists of people either ok with being killed (which is probably the more extreme minority) and people who may not necessarily want to be killed themselves but have a greater tendency to kill others. Morality is a man-made concept that seemingly only applies to humans; even when we see animals toying with their prey or killing for unnecessary purposes, we don't call them immoral; we just chalk it up as behaviour part of their animalistic nature.
What's also man-made? Society. We may call killers cold-hearted deranged beasts, but they are obviously humans too; the same species that outlawed killing. So what differentiates the two? Why is it that people who do not kill and advocate for killing to be wrong (in terms of morality and legality) are correct, while people who kill are wrong? I argue that it's due to fundamental societal cohesion; there are simply more people who do not want to be killed nor want to kill others, and so for society, a congregation of strangers, to function, we adhere to the desires of the majority.
This is true. That's why morality as a whole is not absolute but changes as societies evolve.
algo
Everything under the sun in today's society is all grey
not hard slap. sureeeeeee play it down
You can look into Kantianism and utilitarianism.
want jon paul back!
human have agreesive gene in our body.
have you thought of making videos that are 10-20 minutes but more targeted title?
moments: 14:04 female trigger moment
21:30 this is wrongggg the experiment....
first comment again for algo!
Gws jpaul
1 MIN ALGO
Boring feel
The talk on racism. Whites and blacks is so superficial. Blacks were never seen as the oppressors the world views them. You guys mentioned in the first half where we are inherently nice people who stray from bad deeds, so why the need to target non whites from the get go? It's the system that needs a revamp. I just don't understand how black people are 'dangerous' in the context and have to bear the hostility from the police? I think this topic is way out of your league judging by the way you guys spoke on this. Privilege is a thing you will never see due to the nature of your skin (being chinese in a place like sg). No doubt good content all around but this needs alot more unpacking then what was mentioned.
Aiya this kind of slashing incident is a very common lah why making a big deal ?
it used to be common before social media
common doesnt mean normal/should happen 💀💀
Wtf