Why Wagner Coup is Not Over Yet
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2023
- Today we cover cluster bombs sent to Ukraine, Wagner Mercenary coup against Putin, and the aliens leaked to the US department of defense. 2 Bros 1 Bunker Podcast.
This podcast analyzes military and geopolitical topics as well as weapons technology subjects. we dive deep into the Russian war in ukraine. Veterans podcast, Patrick Baker and Chris Cappy are former US military members. Patrick was a Marine and Chris was in the army. Both have deployed to warzones.
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Awesome bros 😎
Two bros two bunkers
Loved the podcast but I would like to suggest that some improvement is required on the sound quality. I feel there's a reverb or echo, I am not sure though. You are the expert. Good day 😅
Regarding Prigozin making fortunes by selling hotdogs. They been sold for cash only,…. Money laundering to start with and those booths been go to place to get drugs, weapons, you name it
Thanks for the show. Just a suggestion, can you fix the audio (echo/reverb) for the future episodes? There are free AI softwares that can turn really bad audio into something that feels like it's been recorded in a studio.
we're working on improving the audio for next episode yes !
Great! 😃
@@TaskPurpose1stSquadkeep making more I love these man
Great show. I absolutely hate, 80% of “podcasts”. You guys didn’t suck, well done. 🇨🇦 Army Veteran
5% for US cluster ammo, and almost 40% for Russian. The main reason is that they are very fragile and tend to become duds while in flight when some clash against other bomblets. The problem is that they are not actually duds, they just misfired and effectively become mines. this is the main reason for some of the outrage but for 5% of the bomblets (not the cluster ammo itself, as one can have hundreds of bomblets, 5% of those become problematic)
I heard 2.5% failure rate?
@@randygunn9499 doesn't really matter, the numbers start adding up very quickly, doesn't really matter if its 2.5% or 5%
@@23RaySan not really,there's some that will have no misfires.
It's kind of a stupid argument when the Russians have been firing cluster munitions and canister delivered anti personnel mines that literally look like kids toys for over a year, plus the US munitions will likely be used over positions already covered by both anti personnel and anti tank mines, which the Russians haven't bothered stopping to deactivate as they've retreated... I'm sure Ukraine has also already used any captured cluster munitions, and they've definitely used artillery dropped AT mines to great effect... With the amount of UXO littering the country 100,000 extra US cluster bomblets that aren't camouflaged and have a bright tail tag would be a drop of water in the UXO bucket! Plus they look less like toys than those damn cannister dropped Russian butterfly mines! I'm pretty sure they only people actually complaining about this issue are just against supporting Ukraine or have almost zero knowledge of the conflict... Just look up the piles of fired Russian cluster and cannister grad rocket debris stacked up around Kharkiv, which those supposedly have a 20-40% initial explosion failure rate! Such a stupid argument given the circumstances... 🤦♂️
40% Russian? Ours was 60% misfire now better. It will be closer to 20% i bet in the actual.
PS: a failure rate of 5% is very good in terms of cluster munitions. Think it used to be around 20%, but check that.
True facts , It used to be around as high as 40% I’ve heard
I’ve heard that the cluster bombs are planned to be disassembled for drone munitions. This avoids the bombletts from hitting each other when deploying (which causes them to misfire). But if disassembled for bombletts they won’t have UXO potential.
Speaking from experience, if you're on guard duty/sentry at night your mind plays tricks on you. Especially if you're on edge because you expect something to happen. An active imagination doesn't help.😅
Sorry, but as a 22-year Army Explosive Ordnance Disposal NCO, a mortar round stuck in a tube is NOT a dud, it's a misfire. The round itself can't explode at that time - the fuse isn't armed until it "flies" a certain distance. The only danger is that the propellant MIGHT get ignited, sending the round downrange - so don't put your head or hand in front of the tube!
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I was listening to reports of Rostov being taken on my way to work, and was so anxious to get back home to follow the news. On my break halfway through my shift I read as much as I could about the column headed to Moscow... and on my way home I got the news that the convoy stopped. It was already over by the time I was back from work, I was so disappointed lol
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-"Chinese drones are just cheap knockoffs"
*DJI... Owned by China*
Thanks for sharing guys
The problem is that the Ukraine is having to fight it's way through minefields and trench systems of various extent and complexity, not having enough mine clearing or combat engineering equipment. Not to mention armoured vehicles and aircover. So the thinking is simply use cluster bombs to clear minefields and attack trench systems. Probably with a focus on larger/complex fortifications considering the shortage of munitions.
And some people are wondering why they aren't knocking on the door to Crimea already, nuts.
Clearing a minefield by dropping munitions that leave mines? MCLCs exist for a reason. Clusters are gonna be used against soft targets like logistics convoys, or broken open to drop the bomblets via drones
dude this is awesom great job cant wait for the next one
I really enjoyed this. Struggled to find this is podcast form on my podcast app but don't mind listening on youtube. Keep them coming!
I love the idea of a bunch of marines marching on the swamp.
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Hearing UXO or unexploded ordinance and cluster munitions always bring me back to the history of my origin country of Laos. When during the Vietnam war the USA bombed us for almost a decade non stop giving us the title of the most bombed country in the world due to the relatively small land size of Laos, and yes cluster munitions at least the bomblets are still killing or injuring people til today
“He’s credible, good friend, don’t think he would lie to me. Stationed in ya booty, Africa”
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Had no idea you had a podcast cappy! This is awesome
Think I found me something to listen to while I work and I am picky about my podcasts. Good show guys!
This is your best episode yet. Really funny conversation and some really pertinent insights.
Utkin has been seen recently, apparently he was the one leading the troops to Moscow
It wasn’t a coup coup. It was a couplette. I’m a retired veterinarian and I’m pretty sure those goats or especially pigs had to be anesthetized or heavily sedated. You literally could not wound a pig to the point of bleeding out and catch the thing to even come close to applying a tourniquet if the pig were not sedated, anesthetized or otherwise chemically immobilized. You could, however, practice applying tourniquets to bleeding anesthetized pigs to the point of arresting the hemorrhage. They were likely euthanized after the exercise so they would feel no pain. I have no first hand knowledge of this but I’ll bet this was a far more organized and humane exercise than you might imagine. It would be kind of comforting to know that rookie medic or corpsman that’s putting a tourniquet on you has encountered a bleeding limb before and has successfully stopped the hemorrhaging.
Very entertaining conversation.
The shuttlecock bros podcast😂
51:00 the Aliens roll their windows up when they go past the USA.
You said 2 bros 2 bunkers!😮
it's only 1 bunker that was a mistake ! we never operate in separate bunkers. that would be too scary.
stuck around even though the rough audio, you guys do great at bouncing off eachother and come off pretty levelheaded, keep em coming
I think another problem people have with the US supplying cluster munitions is the reaction the US had to Russia using them. Hypocrisy at its finest. “It’s a war crime if Russia use it but it’s okay if we do”. How that makes sense is beyond me.
The moral of the story is.. never underestimate the power of a good hot dog..
I am not sure which the most craziest! Politics or Military Politics!
SATURDAY'S ARE FOR THE POGS!! I love it, where can i get one?
There was a report that Prigozhin, with 35 of his commanders, met with Putin on 29 June.
anyone catch the ''welcome to two bros two bunkers'' lol the one time he lets a marine say the intro
I saw some light orbs in the water during watch in Naval Base San Diego.
Brokebackbunker!!! Love it 🥰
EXACTLY…our contractors are loving this shit! They are going to make absurd amounts of money from this!
So the unexploded cluster bombs basically become mines. What about all the mines the Russians planted already for their defensive lines?
Cluster bombs will be used in the same mined areas to make holes through the Russian lines so the Ukrainian armor can advance and outflank Russian troops in the open fields.
Those areas are heavily mined already and won't be used by civilians any time soon, so what difference will the cluster bombs make?
Both Ukraine and Russia used cluster munitions prior, but on small scale.
25 million might get you a used MQ9 Reaper drone, you would have to spend several hundred million to get a cool drone that could be confused with an alien spaceship.
I really like this new format you’re doing! Can I get an unironic hoah?
lol, someone has been watching X-Files. The idea of a group of secret people within the US government that have the only access to aliens and their technology is literally the main story line 😆
The truth is out there! 😆
Good stuff, got a phat echo though
Bottom line regarding cluster munitions is it's Ukraine's people and Ukraine's decision. Also Russia has used them en masse with failure rates >30%. The UEO is already littering Ukraine, along with thousands of mines. The additional problem of the unexploded US supplied cluster munitions will be far outweighed by the benefit. Also, remember, Ukraine will know where theyve used cluster munitions, so they can act accordingly.
"Means I love you in Russian, I know, I was a single marine."
Fucking hillarious and so real hahahah
i sort of thought cluster bombs were against the, whatever convention, human rights etc, cos the amount of them that are unexploded, and go off when dug up or played with. They're not easy to clean up
The Marine Corp starting a mutiny or a coup, either or, is one of the scariest things i can think of. Crayola stocks would skyrocket
I've heard they're still arguing over what the mystery flavored one is. Most of 'em think its a mix between blue red and grape.
@quixoticend1847 I tried to tell them once they are like m&m's, they are all the same flavor regardless. It was all fun until I did that. They didn't like that. They didn't like that at all. So I ate a blue one, pretended to be ecstatic it tasted like cherry, then they let me on my way. It was a close call and I've stayed in my lane since.
FWIW, I saw a UAP that closely matched Cmdr. Fravor's "Tic-Tac" in August 1976. It went from about 100 knots to faster than my eye could process, stopped in an instant, did it again in another blink of an eye, and then shot off like a tracer bullet towards the moon without making a perceptible sound. Whatever it was, it wasn't made by Lockheed.
These are 155mm artillery shells, which hold 42, M80 bomblets. Cluster bombs containing hundreds of bomblet like used in Vietnam/Laos are really a different thing. Plus artillery delivery means Ukraine knows exactly where these shells landed, unlike with airplane or cruise missile delivered cluster bombs.
Honestly 5% is probably a high number. But they could pop these into the areas behind the lines then attack and occupants die as they reposition lines. No matter what Ukraine has to demine because mines have been laid
200 or 500 per bomb is delivered from a airplane they're talking about giving M777 cluster ammunition which holds 58 to 72 bomblets or grenades however you want to classify them
So 1 failure out of 72 bomblets is ~2.8%.
Glad I'm not the only one who drinks water out of Bullet mugs. EDIT: must be Vodka as slow as they're drinking it. These are my kind of bros.
give them flamethrowers again, i heard that works well in trenches 🤷♂
yeah having the double audio was really rough, also sound dampeners on the walls would be a great consideration for future episodes!
Don't forget, sometimes Putin just poisons folks. He's multitalented!
2 bros 2 bunkers, I thought it was supposed to be 1, can I have the extra one?
imagine being a fighter pilot that happens to interact with an F-117 flying, but it’s 1981. So to you that is such a foreign looking aircraft that is sending all of your instruments into weird readings because it’s not showing up. Likewise, if five years later, you’re seeing a B2 stealth bomber. the fact that a lot of these happen to be in countering over like the naval test area in the Pacific when it would make sense that you would try out some very new cutting edge developed weapon system over a unsuspecting carrier group that is conducting a drill in the tester.
Yeah seeing the b2 and not knowing what it is would have been pretty spooky
I'm an example. Saw a UFO in 1984, this weird black triangular thing that made no sound, unlike anything that my 10-year old plane nut eyes had seen before. I actually contacted the RAF about it, and they confirmed that, and I quote "Nothing appeared on their radar at that time & location". Even had a very nice Captain come out to take my statement & a couple of sketches I'd made...
Then Gulf 1 happened, and the F-117 became known.
I guess it was some test flight, possibly testing the UK's radar net. Eh, it was a thing, I briefly got a rep as "that crazy UFO kid" at school, but life went on.
...Eh, no. To the general public, yes, it's like seeing alien tech. To military pilots, no. The F-117 has vertical stabilizers. It's definitely recognizable technology. And the B-2? We had flying wings in flight prior to us getting involved in WW2. The Germans had the first flying jet-powered flying wing. Military pilots are going to know about these things and recognize that these are just very advanced aircraft.
And, um, no, you *_do not_* test new aircraft with unwitting pilots and nearly cause mid-air collisions. Just no. The fact that that is happening is actually the best evidence against this being a government program. You test new aircraft with informed pilots in highly restricted airspace like in Nellis. You don't just fly new test aircraft into a Navy CAP and nearly collide into them.
@@matchesburn man, definitely don't tell that to numerous pilots who reported seeing a UFO in the 1980s thinking it was
US cluster munitions have a 2.5% failure rate, Russian ones have a 30-40% failure rate. Russia has been using them since the beginning, the added UXO will be negligible.
41k subscribers, I recon we could march on Moscow
UFO = Unidentified Flying Object. None of the 3 words says Alien.
You can see how Russia handles the death of soldiers. It's kept very, very low key. Paper Skies did a video on the "Black Tulip" aircraft flights which have been the flights for returning dead servicemen since the Afghan War. Sometimes it's made into a photo op where someone in the military/government presents some food and home appliances to the grieving mother, and sometimes they just drop off the casket and leave. It's *_very_* low key, however, and is not made into a public affair that much.
Ha!!!
So good, I’m a Desert Storm Marine and we stole tons and tons of shit from the Army, they unknowingly kept us supplied 😎
Also, I was a Cannoneer and we fired a lot of DOICM, our Battery, Fox 2/12 was the 1st ground unit in combat when we did a raid on the Battalion that fired at us.
We now have an exhibit in the National Marine Corps Museum in Quantico.
Maybe future podcast of how would teleportation tech be useful?
I liked your shorter form content from before alot more
Here is the deal. Soviets have a cap on popularity. If someone is getting the appreciation and love of the people that overshadows that of the leader they are getting removed. Good example was general Jukov that led the soviet army to Berlin in WW2. He got so popular that he after the war he was under house arrest until Stalin died. And, these are still soviet people, the 90's didn't change much. The amount of people crying for the old times was deafening.
July 10, 2023 - I didn't mention in my earlier and sadly lengthy comments 😏That aside from the fact that I don't think that the likelihood of an American civil war is probable. I also think that the Marine Corp. if they did become embroiled in an American Civil war. They would do so in order to uphold the various fundamentals that the founding fathers used to create the country, and to defend the Constitution.
440,000 tons. That’s the amount of cluster munitions a 2019 budget report planned to dispose of. We are talking about tens of millions of cluster bombs. That makes this a game changer in a different way from all the other “game changers”.
1. On most bases you can give dominos grid coordinates and they deliver to the field/range.
they already supplied Ukraine with those mine laying cluster bombs
Could you put pictures on the screen when you're looking at something on the laptop?
The ones that attempt to leak major items. Usually "disappear"!
Will there be videos about drones?
oh I'm from the UK that's why i thought you guys wouldn't use them, i thought you where suppose to get rid of them as well, my bad
Actually know a former army medic who did the goat training. It was really hush hush when he told me about it. Ugly business but I bet it saved lives.
Wtf. One moment I think Patrick bragging about sitting in a humvee with the supplies is weakness and the next moment, he refuses to stab a pig. Merica
Worrying about the cluster bomblets becoming UXO given the number of mines both sides have deployed is closing the barn door after the horse has already bolted.
That’s a Great way of putting it
Just the number of normal unexploded ordinance its a moot point. Hundreds of thousands of artillery shells hav ebene fired, and there's plenty of UXO.
France still had areas from WW1 and WW2 they're cleaning out from UXO.
The "Coup" ended in about 8 hours after 2 phone calls were made it was hilarious watching the western media go from "the Ukraine is saved!" to absolutely crushed over it and it was poetic justice that a week later NATO got the civil unrest they were praying for but it showed up in the wrong country 😂😂
I don't remember French protesters blowing away Ka-52 attack helicopters with their AA as they marched towards Paris, but sure, we'll pretend the civil unrest is the same.
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1920 called, and said "The Great War" ended in 1918
Crashed in Brazil too
Seems like they need a more reliable failsafe. Maybe something internal to protect the mechanism. An internal timer or something. This doesn't seem like something that should be insurmountable. But maybe it's harder than it looks. Russia used clusterbombs in the early days of the invasion... in an inhabited city. There's a video.
I love these man these are great
About the morality of weapons: This is something very sarcastic. We are so used to having activities with rules. We call them sports fe. War is no sport. War should be avoided at all costs. War is something cruel and if all nations can decide to NOT use some weapons - awesome. But there is no objective rule for not using some weapons. For that we need to get rid of war alltogether which would be best.
Or would you ask a robber to not use a knife or a pistol against an civilian because it is 'unfair'?
I saw someone say that Ukrainians will likely disassemble these cluster munitions to use them from drones. This seems to be a favoured tactic currently and apparently the munitions in these cluster whatever’s are pretty good singly. The failure rate has something to do with bumping into each other when released so if they are released one at a time from a drone will be much lower.
The weapon going to ukraine is actually not golfballs it's dual-purpose improved conventional munition (DPICM) which is a shaped charge for penetrating armour. So highly effective against insufficiently separated armour. It's a very effective counter for large numbers of lower quality armoured vehicles etc. (although I'm pretty sure DPICM will also penetrate Bradleys etc.), this makes it pretty much ideal against soviet (sorry Russian) armour. Cluster bombs originally were the response to the banning of napalm. There is an international convention against cluster munitions but it was not signed by the US, Ukraine or Russia - most NATO countries did sign it, certainly Britain has decomissioned all of the cluster munitions and weapons that it had. To be honest worrying about cluster bomb duds seems pretty redudant when there has been widespread use of both antipersonel and antivehicle landmines (which there is also a world wide convention against not signed by the US, Russia and Ukraine) followed by widespread flooding (which means nobody knows where those mines are anymore). Ukraine will be dealing with the consequences of unexploded munitions for decades after this war.
USA still has a couple of million 155 DPICM in stocks across USA and EU. That's what they plan on sending to Ukraine. This will also help with ammo shortage, number o shells you have to use on a trench and with barrel life.
Russia can use thermonuclear munitions but how dare Ukraine defend itself with cluster bombs!!! GMAFB!!!!🇺🇸🇺🇦
Is it possible both mics are playing at the same time and that is what is causing the echo? Its a pain as an editor, but you might need to cut one of the mics each time the other person talks
Pretty sure Canada started the treaty for the cluster munitions. Also not sure if they are getting the HIMAR type I read they are getting the type for the 155mm howitzers. Even with 2 percent failure rate though at least the Ukrainians know were they are firing them so in theory they would know were to go to clear the failed ones.
probably need to talk to a FOO or a artillery forward observer or as we called them in my day in the British Army OP (observation posts )
ECHO, echo, echo! Love you guys but you seriously need to get some sound cancel pads around in that room.
If you are a Ukrainian in a trench, you are in for a claster bomb, heavy flame thrower and white phosphorous treatment. How "fancy" is that?
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I'm thinking u.s. is going to send artillery fired cluster munitions in 155mm before they think about sending air dropped or rocket dispenseme munitions if any of those are going to be sent it would more than likely be the 155 before anything bigger hopefully they will send all of the different variants who knows I could be wrong
Those are the larger munitions smaller like the 155 isn't near that. The US never signed an the one you're talking about is updated. The old treaty was a favorite of the left backed by believe it or not the Soviet Union and for obvious reasons. The Johnston island facility was shut down a couple decades ago after destroying all the US chems. It's in the middle of the Pacific so any accidents would be contained and of course casualties would be limited to the staff
Yeah I think that is a surprisingly Fair argument.. like the biggest issue that I remember with United States cluster munitions was in Yemen where Saudi Arabia just genuinely doesn't care, and like little kids would be playing around and boom.. well Ukraine probably cares about Ukraine, at least that seems to be the common theme these days.. and that that genuinely does change the dynamic a little bit.
NATO/US cluster munitions do not have a 5% failure rate, but rather 1-3%, which is a huge difference esp. when you figure that the average is going to be closer to one than three. Also, they are using this on THEIR OWN LAND, this is not a case of some foreign power littering miles and miles of land with these things and then leaving. They would not be risking their lives for this land back only to decide disposing the UXO is too much hassle. Finally, the areas these cluster munitions are to be used on are already infested with miners, soooo
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47:30 during the cold war the CIA did experiments with what we now call radio frequency memory or "radar spoofing" where they'd park a converted fishing boat off the coast of scotland and emit carefully crafted radio pulses to look like enemy bombers on the radar screens, just to see if they could.
When the RAF fighters scrambled the boat would emit a second set of pulses to allow the fighter to think it had locked on to the bogey with its x-band fire control radar.
Then by just adjusting the timing and wavedform of the pulses in the two radar bands they would finish by making the "radar contact" accelerate instantly to mach 25 and go straight up out of the atmosphere.
The next day they would debrief the pilots in person and swear them to secrecy. Pilots who could stay quiet about the "UFO" kept their careers.
I know of at least one pilot who tried to talk about it and ended up losing everything.
Today the radar spoofing tech is in the spine avionics bay of every F-16 and saves countless aircrew lives
Hundreds of countries signed a treaty!-except the few bigger countries it would actually effect.