How to Reload 7.62x39 For Beginners

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  • This video will teach you how to reload 7.62x39. This video will help you if you are a beginner or if you need a refresher.
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  • @marvinbrock960
    @marvinbrock960 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    A “trick” I learned along the way from whom I do not remember… when seating bullets, fully seat the bullet, spin the cartridge 1/4 turn in the shell holder then seat again. It does wonders for minimizing bullet runout. (The bullet being slightly off center) contributes heavily to accurate accuracy. Then roll the cartridge on a super flat surface (corian countertop or flat glass and look for tip wobble. Crude method but it’ll help with your accuracy trouble shooting process. Rules out some equipment tolerance issues.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Genius level 1000! Thanks for the tip! 👍🏻

  • @Admiral_Jelly
    @Admiral_Jelly ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I wanted to thank you for being very clear in your instructions. As a beginner this helped me out a lot. Can’t wait to see more!

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for your feedback! Glad it was helpful! 👍🏻

  • @rickyjones7013
    @rickyjones7013 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks for the video this will help out alot when I start reloading for my sks.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @rickyjones7013 - awesome! Welcome to the world of reloading! 👍🏻

  • @786100Moose
    @786100Moose ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Appreciate the clear and precise explaination without the unnecessary rambling like other videos, well done.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      Moose Sulaman - appreciate the comment! 👍🏻

  • @KetaCreek
    @KetaCreek 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you for the step-by-step demonstration

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @KetaCreek - thanks for the comment! Glad you enjoyed the vid! 👍🏻

  • @calescapee9642
    @calescapee9642 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good video. Very Educational. Gotta set all my stuff up after I finish my garage reorganization.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @calescapee9642 - good luck with the reorg! Thanks for the comment! 👍🏻

  • @crobertbetts
    @crobertbetts ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you so much for this video. I have been waiting for years for a good 7.62x39 reloading video. This was perfect. You have a new subscriber in me!

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @jordangouveia1863
    @jordangouveia1863 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I started reloading for the 7.62x39 last year. I seat and crimp jacketed bullets, but with lead bullets I find doing those separately, produces better results. Good video!

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Appreciate the comment! 👍🏻

  • @williammccaslin8527
    @williammccaslin8527 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yeah, I found it helpful, as I'm going to get back into reloading after a 45 yr hiatus, mainly for gucci hunting rounds, that I cant afford to buy by the box. Besides I just retired 2 yrs ago an have plenty of time to do this caliber an others. Thx for the vid

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Welcome back to reloading! 👍🏻

  • @tonybrannen1740
    @tonybrannen1740 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for breaking this down simple.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you found it helpful! 👍🏻

  • @luvtahandload7692
    @luvtahandload7692 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Two things I can offer: place a 25 lb bag of shot on your powder measure stand "round". It will make a marked difference in consistency of your throws. I've tested it both ways and it really does. 2, place an o-ring under the seating stem locknut. It will allow the stem to find center enabling bullets to seat more concentrically. Thanks

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      Luvta Handload - I normally have the powder thrower permanently mounted to my bench. For video convenience, I mounted it on a portable stand. Doesn’t work well the way I have it so thanks for that tip 👍🏻
      For your second tip - can you post a pic? Sounds helpful!

    • @marvinbrock960
      @marvinbrock960 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’ve wondered why some of the “newer” dies, other than Lee, cow with that O ring… I remove them due to wanting a solid lock between press and die.. When initially trying with the oring on, it tended to squirt out one side making the die terribly crooked. that said, when seating bullets I press then do a 1/4 turn and press again. Very rarely have issues with runout doing that. But I’ll keep eye on that issue and might play around with it. 👍🏻

    • @ishnifusmeadle
      @ishnifusmeadle 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@marvinbrock960 the Lee dies with o rings aren't meant to be "reefed" down tight. Just snug the nut up to resistance than maybe another half turn at most. Took me forever to learn that. I've always been of the rocksolid mindest

  • @webmastercaribou7570
    @webmastercaribou7570 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very well done.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Appreciate the comment! 👍🏻

  • @Jonno2summit
    @Jonno2summit ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video! I also decided on 4198 after using many different powders. I see you also use (Hornady?) clamp-type stops on your RCBS dies. I did the same. RCBS is excellent but I love those clamp stops.
    Something I'd like to share is that I was getting bad data from my Wilson case gauges. Turned out (years ago), that the excellent Wilson case gauges had a flaw with the 76239 as it didn't recognize that that case has a rim that is ever so slightly proud of the base of the casing body (.447 rim vs .443 base). This gave me bad info on my resizing efforts. I found it and reamed out my gauge with a true multi-blade reamer bit (not a drill bit) just a little and that fixed my experience and ego. I imagine Wilson has fixed this.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Jonno2summit - the Hornady locking rings are awesome! Changed out all my dies to them! Thanks for the heads up on the case gauge! 👍🏻

  • @stephanedufresne3434
    @stephanedufresne3434 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thank-you you help me.....salutations Québec , Canada i am a new reloader..

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Howdy neighbor to the north! Glad you found this helpful! If you have any other questions, holler back anytime! Welcome to reloading! 👍🏻

    • @stephanedufresne3434
      @stephanedufresne3434 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      👍

  • @danny12904
    @danny12904 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this video 2023 edition

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Danny Do - glad you found it helpful!

  • @davidpate2237
    @davidpate2237 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Are there places that teach you how to do that. Or you just got to learn it on your own

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @davidpate2237 - Yes, I have heard of a few community colleges offering reloading classes in their gunsmithing coursework. I do know of one person offering it at his retail shop in Colorado. At this time I cannot personally recommend anyone to you as I don’t know much about them. You might try going to the local mom and pop reloading store and asking if they know anyone willing to teach you. Otherwise, you’ve always have creators willing to give advice. We all ask for a sub and a like to the videos as it helps support us. We don’t make a lot of money from it so it’s nice to have patronage. 👍🏻 Hope this helps!

  • @johnfavela3817
    @johnfavela3817 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm new to the reloading so new my equipment is still in boxes. Because I finally got my 11th edition Hornady book. So I could order my bullets and powder. I bought some Hornady 30 caliber .308 003-3033 . I just don't know what size of primers I need large or small rifle primers the book doesn't say.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @johnfavela3817 - lucky for you, I have just the video for you! 👍🏻
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  • @imtiazboss
    @imtiazboss 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for making this video easy to understand I’m planning on doing that my question is is it cheaper to do your own bullets I’m not ah handy guy so all this is new to me

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @imtiazboss - in short, yes. If you’re referring to projectile casting, you can make projectiles for less money as you can usually pick up the casting material at give away prices. Before someone nails me to a cross, the overall process of reloading is expensive to start. Depending on how much you shoot and reload, the ROI will be years down the road. I didn’t want there be any unreasonable expectations of saving a ton of money. Hope this help! 👍🏻

    • @imtiazboss
      @imtiazboss 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank doe the advice and thanks you for replying me back

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@imtiazboss yes! Of course! Happy to help! Cheers! 👍🏻

  • @xxheadshotxx5562
    @xxheadshotxx5562 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Make a video making the 30 super carry bullet! Love your content!♥️♥️

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kenny Moncada - thanks for the comment! 👍🏻

    • @Franciscoxds
      @Franciscoxds ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hodgdon has load data in their website. The 30 SC is pushing over 400lb of energy from a 4inch barrel.

  • @algoneby
    @algoneby 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good Video, Thanks !

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! Appreciate the comment! 👍🏻

  • @tonyorabona594
    @tonyorabona594 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work ...Appreciate

  • @jepoynoks
    @jepoynoks 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very good video. Pleas let me see the book you are using

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @jepoynoks - here ya go! 👍🏻
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  • @HansBjellum
    @HansBjellum ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks!

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Really appreciate it! 👍🏻

  • @kerrystrunk3194
    @kerrystrunk3194 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    i believe 7.62x39 required a .311 diam. bullet, Hornady, speer, Sierra all make this diameter bullet , same as .303 British 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 are a hair larger than our standard .30 caliber round 7.62x51 ( .308 )

    • @bangswitch.2A
      @bangswitch.2A 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      My reloading manual has the diameters ranging from .308” to .310” and says the size depends on the manufacturer. Most American made use .308 and most overseas use .310 but there are exceptions like the Ruger Mini-30 which uses a .308. I guess a good set of calipers would be worth using before loading up these cartridges.

    • @ElfstersRiflesandReloading
      @ElfstersRiflesandReloading 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@bangswitch.2A I've been told from a reputable source at PSA that they use the same .2980 gun drill (.30cal bore size identification) for all 7.62x39 AR (ks47), AK, and AR10 .308 for what it is worth = .308 cal bullets

  • @tonybrannen1740
    @tonybrannen1740 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job!

  • @jonleone777
    @jonleone777 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Unfortunatly due to the powder and primer rip off pricing loading these simply isnt wor5h the time or money.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @jonleone777 - can’t say that I reload many of these.

  • @dr.bonscott3962
    @dr.bonscott3962 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have an issue with my 7.62x39 case mouths being .311 and trying seat Berrys bullets that are also .311
    Do they expanders that are .315/.320.. or should i flare the mouth somehow.. 🤔

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @dr.bonscott3962 - I am unaware of an expander die for this round. I run into the same issues even with my .223/5.56 rounds. Since I have sausage fingers I just try to hold the projectile as long as I can while running the ram up to keep the projectile in line with the case mouth the best I can. I have used a Philips screw driver to flare cases before being careful to not mess up the case mouth. Hope this helps.

  • @MegaBait1616
    @MegaBait1616 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I never used a .308 projectile for x39.... Hmmm.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What are we thinking here… 😂👍🏻

    • @MegaBait1616
      @MegaBait1616 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@k2defense , I've always use a .310" diameter projectile for AK's n SKS rifles..

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @MegaBait1616 👍🏻

    • @dbmail545
      @dbmail545 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Those .308" pills are recommended for the "squeeze rifled" Rugers.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @dbmail545 - 👍🏻

  • @justingeturgun
    @justingeturgun ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I accidentally bought a box of hornady zombie max 7.62x39 bullets. And I have the hornady book but does not specify that bullet for reloading.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @justingeturgun - same load data as the V-Max. One is red the other is green. Hope this helps! 👍🏻

  • @paulfrevert3662
    @paulfrevert3662 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. I'm new to reloading. This helped me alot. Do you have any 350 legend reloading videos

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hello Paul Frevert!
      Glad it helped! I’ll put it on my list of requests!

    • @paulfrevert3662
      @paulfrevert3662 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It took alot of the unknown out of reloading for me

  • @elgalloclaudio4780
    @elgalloclaudio4780 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tks for what you do you a great American..I like shoot not reload ...I'm in process of buying a press n get started I usually shoot 9mm n 762x39...what model number of press you use and can I use same one to reload different types of cartridges tks for Ur reply Godbless

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      el Gallo Claudio - here are the links: amzn.to/3lCVpI2 and amzn.to/3ZbwhWv If you buy the kit all you'll need to add is the dies for the caliber you want to reload. Check out this video as well: th-cam.com/video/euZl_mPOEkQ/w-d-xo.html Thank you for the comment and good luck with your reloading adventure!

  • @freedom-vc9wi
    @freedom-vc9wi หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is there one powder that preforms beter than others or it doesnt mater
    I reload pistol ammo 9mm 45 acp 10mm ect and there are powders that i like over others.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @freedom-vc9wi - yes, there are certain powders that work better than others. Your best bet is to use the reloading manual with the corresponding projectiles. In the manual, they give you the top powders to use with their projectiles. This is the safest and most predictable way of working up loads. They take the guess work out of it. Now, some will tell you that they experiment with other powders or have their own special recipes. This is called “wild catting”. For liability reasons, I cannot suggest that you do it. Hope this answers your question! 👍🏻

    • @freedom-vc9wi
      @freedom-vc9wi หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@k2defense thank you for your time and advice i preciate it

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @freedom-vc9wi - you bet 👍🏻

  • @kaapeliman6716
    @kaapeliman6716 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    AK IS like hammer ar IS Pro tools

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @kaapelima6716 - love the comparison! Thanks for the comment! 👍🏻

  • @scottwilson1258
    @scottwilson1258 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanx Brother

  • @fireyourrocketts
    @fireyourrocketts 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have reloaded before for pistol not yet for rifle as I have several calibers but then I decided to cast lead bullets; my question is when we use lead cast bullets, powder coated, what reference is there to use?

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great question! Most manufacturers will tell you to load them the same as lead cast bullets. Here is a reference : snscasting.com/bullet-information/
      To my knowledge, Lyman has a lead cast load data manual that probably has the most information on this topic. Here is an example of their manual: amzn.to/405ntmX
      Please refer to your loading manuals and manufacturers for specific reloading information.
      Hope this helps! 👍🏻

  • @WvMnts
    @WvMnts ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content👍

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you 🙌

  • @michaelleckenby4110
    @michaelleckenby4110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Myself I like Hodgdon H335 Rifle powder It is What is known as a ball powder And easy to measure.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      @michaelleckenby4110 - love H335 for the .223/5.56! 👍🏻

  • @wasikhan4966
    @wasikhan4966 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Book name plz

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@wasikhan4966 - Hornady 11th Ed reloading Manual. 👍🏻
      amzn.to/4eogZpm

  • @davidpate2237
    @davidpate2237 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a newbie at this trying to figure out what size primers to get or what I find that out reloading 762 by 39

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      HonDavid Pate! Please purchase a reloading manual. You’ll find all the info you need for each caliber you reload. It will identify primer size, powders, etc. using their information will be the best information to use. I hope this answers your question. Let me know if you need any further information!

  • @jameswittholt5055
    @jameswittholt5055 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video. I tried to find you on rumble but could not. Are you still on rumble?

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @jameswittholt5055 - thanks for the comment! Try this link 👍🏻
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    • @jameswittholt5055
      @jameswittholt5055 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@k2defense that worked thank you. You have a lot of great content which is super informative and clear.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      Appreciate the positive feedback! 👍🏻

  • @dbmail545
    @dbmail545 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not interested in reloading 7.62x39 with .308" bullets. I don't have a Ruger. I have been buying nothing but reloadable 7.62x39 for the last several years. I am sure that subsonic hunting loads can be put together for less than Hornady charges for their 255gr Sub-X. Especially since RNL bullets should be acceptable for subsonic loads.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @dbmail545 - yeah, there have been a few people not interested in .308 projectiles. Let us know how it goes with your recipe, if you’re willing to share. Thanks for the comment! 👍🏻

    • @dbmail545
      @dbmail545 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@k2defense still looking for a suitable mold. 240gr to 260gr RNL cast bullet that can be resized to .312"-.314".

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @dbmail545 - here is one that is close to what you’re looking for.
      Let me know what you think. 👍🏻
      www.mp-molds.com/product/mp-300-blackout-311-235-grain-solid-mold-no-lube-groove-multichoice-2/

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@dbmail545- wondering what your twist rate is that you’re using for the subsonic rounds? If it’s a standard AK I believe the twist rate is 1:9.45

    • @dbmail545
      @dbmail545 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@k2defensethe Hornady Sub-X 255gr hunting bullets stabilize just fine out of my 1/9.5" twist CZ bolt guns.

  • @davidortiz9859
    @davidortiz9859 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What rifle did you shoot these in & what was your accuracy. I am leaning on 308 día bullets for my AK 47 because their is a better selection of bullets in 308 dia instead of 311 dia which I believe AK 47 needs. Any thoughts???

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      David Ortiz - I use this ammo in my AK-47 and SKS. In my experience the .308 does just fine in the AK-47. They stabilize well and what I prefer for the AK. I’m sure someone will have varying opinions on my preference but that’s the best part of learning how and what to reload. Hope this helps! 👍🏻

    • @almaadams3631
      @almaadams3631 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      For sure. Not to mention the 150grn. bullets are usually more accurate( across the powder weight spectrum and brand) It is usually thought that the 1in10 twist rate tends to spin to fast for optimum accuracy in the 123/4/5grn.
      bullets. This isn't always true; Barnual FMJ,SPand HP 123grn. are all the most accurate factory ammo( out of my 11" PWS AR upper and 12" VZ58)

    • @MegaBait1616
      @MegaBait1616 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      45 years handloading I've Never used an .308 projectile on any commie rifle......Some Finn Mosins have a close to .308 but not the norm...Slug your bore.... .310 to .311 projectiles... 123-124 grain for AK's n SKS's.......be well.

  • @mefirst5427
    @mefirst5427 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you use any load modeling software like Gordon Reloading Tool or QuickLoad?

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      @mefirst5427 - I do not. I’m a book, paper, pencil kinda guy. I’m not opposed to newer ideas, just haven’t invested more time outside of this realm. Always looking for new ideas, tips, and tricks! Thanks for the comment! 👍🏻

  • @bigtrev761
    @bigtrev761 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

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    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @bigtrev761 - appreciate the comment! 👍🏻

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    @أبداعاتحرفيهومنزليه ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @jungleno.
    @jungleno. ปีที่แล้ว

    You are using the wrong bullets. Hornady makes Vmax and SST bullets .310 diameter. PPU makes similar soft point bullets. Either of those are what you should be using.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      Jun Gleno - can you elaborate more to others why you feel that FMJs are not what should reload and why? Your claim is an interesting argument. Thanks for the comment! 👍🏻

    • @jungleno.
      @jungleno. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@k2defense good luck finding fmj .311 bullets . Please let me know if you do. Hornady's #3142 SST 123grain .310 diameter flex tip bullets are the most accurate I've found for the AK and SKS.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jungleno. I was using .310 projectiles. I haven’t had good luck with finding the .311. Thanks for the reply! 👍🏻

    • @pvtpinecone420
      @pvtpinecone420 ปีที่แล้ว

      Berry's plated spire point 123 gr .311 diameter is rated for 2400 fps.about 15 cents a pop. @@jungleno.

    • @ElfstersRiflesandReloading
      @ElfstersRiflesandReloading 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Depends on the firearm manufacturer... I've been told from a reputable source at PSA that they use the same .2980 gun drill (.30cal bore size identification) for all 7.62x39 AR (ks47), AK, and AR10 .308 for what it is worth = .308 cal bullets

  • @JockeyStrappers
    @JockeyStrappers 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    would not recommend this for people trying to get higher tier accuracy since thats a .308 bullet you are trying to shoot through an sks or ak rifle. their barrels are meant for .311 size bullets.

    • @k2defense
      @k2defense  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      .308 are .310 in diameter. Never had an issue with either the SKS or AK. However, with that be said, I’ve never chased extreme accuracy with either. So to your point, I guess if you’re looking for sub MOA I’d stick with .311 projects. Also, I’ve been shooting these for years and never had a key hole incident in the barrel. Thanks for the comment! 👍🏻