so, the same thing that happened with necromancy: from a specific type of divination in antiquity (basically spirit conjuring), to a generic term for magic in the middle ages, to something unrelated to divination at all in modern fantasy (corpse reanimation, death spells, curses etc)
Love this channel! Hope there will be content on all typical Pen and Paper/Fantasy Classes and/or Folk (like Elf, Dwarf and such) , maybe even mythical creatures such as the infamous medieval antagonistic Snail.
8:18: minor caveat from my own studies -- it seems more often that Christian writers, rather than claiming gods were demons directly (though I'm sure this happened), would argue that pagan practices involved demons /decieving/ practitioners rather than claiming the gods themselves were demons. i think this is a subtle, but important, distinction
That's right. It depends on the writer. Some said the pagan gods were straight up demons, others that they were mortals which demons later convinced people to worship as though gods. But overall the idea is that demons deceive people into performing these pagan rituals, convincing them that they have divine power
I know, I was thinking about that as I was editing it. Right as I'm talking about the divines making themselves known through what might otherwise be seen as chance
So I guess the idea is that some otherworldly entity, be it God or a lingering spirit or a helpful fairy or something, would be able to more easily affect the outcome of something random when we ourselves attempt to remove our control over it? Would this kind of thing apply to things like talking boards (Ouija being a trademarked Hasbro brand) as well?
The closest things to sorcerers in medieval Europe were likely the alchemists. Alchemy shares similarities with the practice of traditional, that is, pagan magic .
Alchemists were sometimes seen as sorcerers, but they were usually seen as just manipulating nature through complex means. Opposition to them was mostly due to their reputation for deceiving people into thinking they could do more than they were actually able to (which, to be fair, is also what some theologians said Demons did, claiming they had the powers of gods, but it was all just smoke and mirrors)
they draw lots repeatedly in Chronicles, Joshua, and Jonah. Even the apostles cast lots to determine who should replace Judah in Acts 1:26. These are all referred to as "Sortis" in Latin versions of the Bible, which is, as the video says, the root of Sorceror.
In some places. In other places, the priests of YHWH practice divination by lots to divine YHWH's will. The Bible is not a singular consistent document. It is a collection of different texts by different authors writing in different genres written over hundreds of years and then intensely edited. I think of it more as a library expressing each writer's different opinions.
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so, the same thing that happened with necromancy: from a specific type of divination in antiquity (basically spirit conjuring), to a generic term for magic in the middle ages, to something unrelated to divination at all in modern fantasy (corpse reanimation, death spells, curses etc)
Very similar. I've been thinking about doing a video on the medieval view of necromancy at some point
I really liked this casual unscripted approach 🥰
Short, sweet,and well-supported! A nice romp through the historical sources. Thanks!
Love this channel! Hope there will be content on all typical Pen and Paper/Fantasy Classes and/or Folk (like Elf, Dwarf and such) , maybe even mythical creatures such as the infamous medieval antagonistic Snail.
Fascinating philological exploration! Thank you very much :)
"been playing a lot of baldurs gate 3" haven't we all :) good video
this was a fascinating video, thanks. will have to share with my students.
Love this channel, always interesting - appreciate the content
Incredible content. Shared it and subbed.
8:18: minor caveat from my own studies -- it seems more often that Christian writers, rather than claiming gods were demons directly (though I'm sure this happened), would argue that pagan practices involved demons /decieving/ practitioners rather than claiming the gods themselves were demons. i think this is a subtle, but important, distinction
That's right. It depends on the writer. Some said the pagan gods were straight up demons, others that they were mortals which demons later convinced people to worship as though gods. But overall the idea is that demons deceive people into performing these pagan rituals, convincing them that they have divine power
I'm very glad I found your channel, very informative!
Excellent vid!
Very interesting.
Fascinating.
Nice video
3:11 what are the chances of that?
I know, I was thinking about that as I was editing it. Right as I'm talking about the divines making themselves known through what might otherwise be seen as chance
I feel a little bit more evil now! I think I'll practice some divine lottery soon.
So I guess the idea is that some otherworldly entity, be it God or a lingering spirit or a helpful fairy or something, would be able to more easily affect the outcome of something random when we ourselves attempt to remove our control over it? Would this kind of thing apply to things like talking boards (Ouija being a trademarked Hasbro brand) as well?
is sorcery related to statistics?
Yo - a sorcerer is Debbie who lives on the floor above me!
Sorcière... vous êtes Canadien!
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The closest things to sorcerers in medieval Europe were likely the alchemists. Alchemy shares similarities with the practice of traditional, that is, pagan magic .
Alchemists were sometimes seen as sorcerers, but they were usually seen as just manipulating nature through complex means. Opposition to them was mostly due to their reputation for deceiving people into thinking they could do more than they were actually able to (which, to be fair, is also what some theologians said Demons did, claiming they had the powers of gods, but it was all just smoke and mirrors)
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Divination is explicitly condemned in the Bible
So is eating pork and shellfish.
they draw lots repeatedly in Chronicles, Joshua, and Jonah. Even the apostles cast lots to determine who should replace Judah in Acts 1:26. These are all referred to as "Sortis" in Latin versions of the Bible, which is, as the video says, the root of Sorceror.
sortes is repeatedly referenced in the bible. Even the Apostles used it
In some places. In other places, the priests of YHWH practice divination by lots to divine YHWH's will. The Bible is not a singular consistent document. It is a collection of different texts by different authors writing in different genres written over hundreds of years and then intensely edited. I think of it more as a library expressing each writer's different opinions.