Seeing Vegito so far down the list is absolutely wild. I believe everything you've said in this list and although certain things just SHOULDNT make sense, thats more of a testiment to Dragon Balls whack power scaling than anything else. D tier Vegito is still absolutely wild, these zenaki boosts are jumping into the millions of times multipliers
This is real. Some copium I've ingested is that Blue Vegito to MUI Goku is the same as Super Vegito to God Goku. While this doesn't necessarily explain the ways in which you can argue blue Goku is now far beyond Blue Vegito, but those questions and these facts are part of the reason why I find this topic so interesting. Thanks for watching!
@@toughmangaming8275 I mean, it makes sense. Blue Vegito from the Goku Black Arc is made up of a Goku and Vegeta that are much weaker than they are in the Tournament of Power. If they had fused during the ToP they would've been much higher. It's the same thing as Gogeta in the Broly Movie, he's so strong because he's comprised of a Goku and Vegeta that have already gone through the ToP. The real question is, if you take Goku and Vegeta from the same point in time and fuse them with Potara and the Fusion Dance, which is stronger, Vegito or Gogeta? Personally I've always preferred the interpretation that the Fusion Dance makes stronger fusions at the cost of having a time limit (or as of the maybe retcon of Super a shorter time limit) but I can definitely see the argument for them being equal or Potara being stronger. Either way, though, both fusions are awesome.
@@TheSonicdude98 I always saw it as the Fusion dance couldn't make a stronger fusion, seeing as it needs the two fusees to have the same power level/energy in order to perform the dance perfectly. Potara just straight up combines the two beings, and whether or not they're stronger depends on what the fusees have. For example, Goku and Hercule fusing via Potara MIGHT be stronger than Elder Kai who's a fusion of a witch and a Supreme Kai/In-Training. Solely because Goku has a way higher power level than Hercule, so combined it should theoretically just increase exponentially compared to the Elder Kai, who might just have the capabilities of magic and other abilities that might not be suited well for combat.
@@TechnicSky TL;DR: I think the Fusion Dance multiplies the result after combining whereas Potara doesn't, or at least multiplies it by more than the earrings. True, you do need to equalize your power when you do the Fusion Dance, but what if there's a multiplier in play? For example, Potara just combines the two fusees power into a single being, while Fusion Dance combines their power at whatever they equalized it as and then doubled it. It personally makes sense to me because it's an actual technique that you need to learn how to do, whereas Potara just has you put on an earring, so logically Fusion should create a stronger result if you're having the same two people do both methods since one is way easier to pull off than the other, at least in my opinion. If you believe Potara also applies a multiplier to the resulting fusion instead of just straight adding their power together, you can still solve the question by saying that the Fusion Dance has a higher multiplier, like X5 instead of the X2 of the Potara. It's not like this would be the first time a transformation or technique multiplied someone's power, since that's the whole purpose of the Kaioken and Super Saiyan was originally a 50 times multiplier to the person's base power(I say originally because the later grades introduced in Cell have higher multipliers and Super seems to have retconned how the transformations worked entirely since somehow post-Buu SS1 Goku is said to still be as strong as he was when he fought Freeza on Namek apparently, though whether that was an error of some kind or not I have no clue, I'm just basing it on what I remember Whis saying when he and Beerus met Goku on King Kai's planet).
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Hit is the ultimate noob stomper of the DB universe. Like if you aren’t just straight up clearing him in strength than there’s really nothing you can do against his technique.
Not that really affects the ranking but one thing I do feel like is understated about Goku Black is his potential growth (bias incoming) Although he may not match up to Golden Frieza stat wise in a vacuum, I feel like in an actual death match scenario if he was getting pushed that, combined with his scythe and clones, he could push his potential hard enough to surpass Frieza outright or go even higher Granted it can't really be factored since we don't how if he could grow fast enough before he loses, but I felt it worth mentioning as Goku Black throughout his arc becomes a zenkai merchant with how much he just forces power boosts on himself to clap the Z-Fighters (losing to ssj2 goku and one shotting blue vegeta, trounced by rage blue goku and them bodying him seconds after, losing to vegeta only to pull out a scythe etc.)
Please do the super Manga 🙏 Man, damn this was good! I've been binging your videos today. New subscriber! This channel is making me rethink and appreciate super a little bit
You should do one of these for the dbs movies and a seperate one for the manga,you do a very good job explaining placements and really got me thinking about how the different fighters would do against each other.
Great Video! I enjoyed watching the whole thing and it did spur a curiosity on where SSJB Gogeta and FPSSJ Broly would go, along with Beerus since in the anime, it's pretty concrete that during the TOP, he was surpassed by Jiren and Goku. Personally, I'd have Blue Gogeta be in Z tier (probably the highest rank), along with Cui Goku and LB Jiren since those 2 (Goku and Jiren) are the only two in the T.O.P to have been stated/hinted to have surpassed the GoDs. Broly is also a character hinted to be = to or stronger than Beerus, and we see the gaps of power between Broly and Gogeta is significantly different. As for FPSSJ Broly, I'd put him in his own rank above the S tier, but below the Z tier as he's definitely stronger than Blue Evo Vegeta, GoD Toppo but also greatly weaker than Blue Gogeta who's comparable to the other 2. Lastly, as for Beerus, I'd also put him in the same Tier as Broly but greater as for the same reason i mentioned above. Overall, I find these types of videos quite enjoyable to watch and hope you create more quality content like this
Something that just occurred to me is if 17 has infinite energy and we know that energy can be shared, why wouldn't he have been the team "medic" or whatever? It wouldn't heal wounds but it'd keep everyone from being exhausted constantly. Would've also been a cool thing to paint that target on his back and have U7 protecting him.
Vegito could’ve beaten Zamasu. The issue was “The power output reduced the amount of time the fusion had.” Which honestly is stupid. Vegito would be above Corrupted Zamasu and would’ve killed him.
I feel like kale's a bit confusing. Yes she was ragdolling goku early on in blue, but then goku proceeds to clap both sisters at the same time in the god form while kale is supposedly in her "stronger form"💀. Also being a goku that was tired from his battle with jiren
My biggest issue is with how high Kale is. Imo it’s much more likely Goku held back power on her rather than her actually being above beginning of ToP Blue Goku. We see beginning of ToP SSB Goku and Hit both do way better than her against Jiren. 17 and Frieza did better against Jiren as well. Kale was just burning through all her power while Goku was conserving his energy for the rest of the tournament. Something similar happens in the manga as well.
The implications of Kale being above Blue but below God Goku are so cursed when you consider all the other characters, especially Frieza and Android 17. Which you did, which is why this can't help but be a mess. It does not stand up to scrutiny at all. But I was happy to watch most of this anyways.
I feel for Hit vs Goku Black (high ball) Goku black cockiness and willingness to take hits will be what takes him down sure Goku Black knows about Hit since he watched god tube but if anything that would entice Goku Black more knowing hit was able to grow with goku and break even the gods level of power without god ki not to mention he has no idea how dangerous Hit when going for the kill is like vs the hit that he saw to me it's basically like Goku vs Hit v2 where Goku knows somewhat about hit and knows his coming after him but Hit sends one attack and fully kills Goku Black
The issue with zamasu is that he never fough seriously. We never got to see his full power because he pride himself as being too good to waste said full power on mere mortals. Also he s immortal so yeah, he really didn't have any reasons to see anyone as a threat.
@@jimmfil The proof is how you see him not constantly rush at his opponent and unleach powerfull attacks. He s FAR STRONGER than goku black and we already got to see what goku black can do because he actually enjoyed fighting. Most of the time zamasu was just blasting people from distance and getting offended whenever someone dared to attack him
@@jimmfil You re basically implying that fused zamasu is weaker than goku black who was at this point winning his fight without trying. Fused Zamasu was literally constantly yelling how mortals are trash and was just blasting people from a safe distance. He was never trying to engage in close combat and was mostly blocking attacks before blasting people away from him and that was until vegito happened and even then here he was mostly just throwing punch until something hit out of anger because a filthy mortal dare to fight against him. We know both zamasu (pre and post goku black ) are very skilled close combat fighter and fused zamasu is just a very strong zamasu. Just re watch the episodes. Compare how zamasu and goku blacks were fighting VS how fused zamasu fight. Its specially obvious when you remember how zamasu was fully taking advantage of the immortality thing when he let goku black stab someone through him because he knew black's atk wouldn't affect him. Conclusion, if fused zamasu was fighting seriously from the get go he would just charged at the trio without fearing anything. And if u re telling me "but he isn't completly immortal post fusion" , i m telling you that he clearly didn't know that until half his body started to turn purple.
@@drearydoll6305 if he fought seriously from the get go Zamasu would get cooked either way because Goku with a FP kamehameha or with the kaioken could’ve overpowered zamasu atp, also again he was trying either way against vegito he just couldn’t keep up in speed which was stated by vegito himself. Along with actively fighting against SOH Trunks. He just grew stronger during the fights via taking damage no proof of him NOT trying at all especially considering SOH trunks was going to kill him.
The whole notion of "the Saiyans were always just getting stronger" during the ToP is pure bad writing, all because they had to stuff in the newest strong man to bait people with when it comes to Goku.
Great list! I agree with most of this. I like to think the way Goku Blue was able to defeat Fused Zamasu's holy wrath by focusing his energy in a small point compared to Zamasu dispersing his energy in that huge attack (That's why his kamehameha pierced through the attack). And I think Goku Black is too high on the list considering Goku Blue probably surpassed him during the Zamasu fight and then trained for months.
I am definitely trying to see the dragon ball super manga tier list. It’s a pretty nice list and the leaps in logic isn’t to crazy. It’s definitely based on how you watch the anime and perceive the events. I do think that there’s a few spots for characters that could be changes and some tiers merged together. Mainly because the jump in power maybe smaller than which was said in this video. However based on ten rules you gave your tier list, I know why you did it that way.
Yeah! So in a video, I actually went over SSBE in my Super Saiyan Blue video if you wanna check that out, but I have no qualms going over it here. To recap, I believe SSBE functions as Super Saiyan Grade 2 for Super Saiyan Blue given their similar designs. The anime/manga differences mostly come down to the fact that Vegeta seems to be more slim in the manga. In terms of power, the anime makes it clear that SSBKK and SSBE are equivalent so it probably has a times 20 multiplier, but the manga doesn't really show any clear multiplier. Hope that helps!
That's tough for me to say (assuming we're talking about the big tier list). I think I might need to review some stuff from the Broly movie, but even that movie is difficult to compare to the ToP characters given that the tournament is barley mentioned. I do believe it's possible that those three could be in the same tier as SSBKK and SSBE but I'm not sure how much stronger they would be than each other in those forms (if that makes sense). I also hold the extraordinarily hot DB take that I don't think Broly and Gogeta are in a tier above MUI Goku and Jiren. The reason I mention that is because I find that the stronger you think Broly and Gogeta are than the higher Freeza, and SSB Goku and Vegeta from Broly would go on this list. That's an interesting examination though and thanks for watching!
Not sure I’d agree with the idea that ssj2 goku against kale and caulifla was stronger than start of tournament blue goku. Goku’s self admittedly was almost completely out of energy and was weakened. I think it makes more sense that blue goku simply underestimated how strong kale was at the start of the tournament. Same way his beam struggle against krillin went, I don’t think he went all out against kale
Krillin should be in Z teir if movies are included. Guy was the only one who could come in and save piccolo from cell max. You can visibly see cell's foot be pushed away when Krillin got involved. Also apparently not even goku or vegeta could take on cell from some statements.. This show ain't ever going to make sesnse
Actually Golden Freiza was stronger than SSB Goku said directly by Goku in Resurrection F. He just burned though his power too fast and had stamina issues.
@@mikaelcesar99 Well I mean though you are still right, I don't know why Kale is stronger than Golden Frieza on this list. This list kinda is a bit shakey....
I think that your scaling of Goku Black being comparable to Gohan and Freeza is quite inconsistent with the rest of the list given how you mention how both Goku, Vegeta and Gohan grow massively throughout the ToP, and thus Goku Black being comparable to or even above Goku from the previous arc isn't really that impressive at all here considering Freeza was able to go toe to toe with and withstand attacks from Hakaishin Toppo, and Gohan's strength is seemingly on the same level as Freeza's. I think a more accurate tier to put Goku Black into would be around the same power as Bergamo due to how both of them scale to a pre-ToP Blue Goku.
When it comes to No.17 you missed and overlooked crucial points. 1. Toppo and SSB Goku was about dead even with each other. Goku was able to edge out the victory with his Warp Kamehameha. Now, this is where paying attention to key details comes into play. When proceeding to round 2 Toppo was going to use his full power in BASE. Goku responded with Blue Kaio-ken. This tells us that a full power base Toppo is equivalent to SSBKK from ×2-×10. This is because ×20 was being saved for Jiren and would've most definitely been enough for full power Toppo. Of course, if we scale SSBE Vegeta to SSBKK×20 Goku then we'll know Goku should have the power output to defeat Hakaishin Toppo. 2. Since we know Goku was forced to go Blue and 17 was able to stalemate that level of power while both admitting to still be holding back, tells us that No.17 is relevant to a full power SSB Goku. This would put him within SSB tier until... 3. When No.17 fought Toppo he was able to match Toppo's FULL POWER briefly. I say briefly because after the initial clash, Toppo had to pour more reserves, thus pushing the blast towards No.17. Remember, before firing the blast, Toppo said with "ALL" the justice he has within. This is Toppo utilizing his full power just to ring out No.17. Since we stated above that Toppo's full power is relevant to SSBKK×10 at max, this would place No.17 within Blue Kaio-ken to Blue Evolution tier. 4. No.17 vs Jiren is easily overlooked. I'm not going to discuss the sneak attack as we've seen many times in Dragon Ball that no matter how powerful you are, you can still take damage to those weaker when caught off guard. What I'm referring to is after the sneak attack. Jiren dashes towards 17 angry and No.17 blasts a barrage of Ki Blasts at him. These barrage of blast forced Jiren back to a standstill. That's right. No.17, ON HIS OWN, was able to push Jiren to a standstill all on his own. Now, his final impressive feat is his Final or Ultimate Barrier. The multiple barriers he stacked to withstand Jiren's massive ball of energy. At first, he actually stopped it. Jiren had to PUSH more force into the blast in order to power through the layers of barriers. This is no different from when Kid Buu was able to hold back the Super Spirit Bomb from Goku with energy gathered throughout the universe and of course Jiren's bout with the technique as well. To conclude, No.17 would be at a Blue Kaio-ken to Blue Evolution tier based on the points I've provided.
The only thing I'm confused with is that Android 17 calls Golden Frieza a monster in power, and as far as i know Golden Frieza is only as strong as a regular SSB and not SSB×10 or SSBE.
I don’t believe kale is that strong at most she’s stronger than gohan in her STRONGEST form her AND caulifa got destroyed by a fatigued suppressed god goku mid TOP
Hot take: Full Power/Limit Breaker Jiren is stronger than CUI Goku. Jiren was initially dominating Goku and even won a beam clash with ONE hand. It wasn’t until Goku got amped by the power of friendship (despite this a single kick from Jiren was able to send Goku flying whereas Goku needed several air punches to replicate the same thing) AND a rage boost that he finally managed to overpower Jiren.
@@locomotivexxiii No it doesn’t. Unless rage is integral to a character’s power (I.E. Hulk), rage boosts shouldn’t count towards a character’s own power. Do you count BoG SS2 Vegeta being stronger than SS3 Goku because Vegeta briefly surpassed Goku via rage amp during the “My Bulma” scene? If the answer is no, then this shouldn’t apply to CUI Goku.
I could see this as Jiren struggled because of the form Ultra Instinct itself. He had a hard time hitting Goku making him waste energy and in wasting energy he lost what made him such a tank and tired himself out. @@ultimate_capper3643
Dragon ball straight up doesnt make sense anymore, even in the buu saga things were getting out of hand GT ending as good as it did should of been enough for everybody
Seeing Vegito so far down the list is absolutely wild. I believe everything you've said in this list and although certain things just SHOULDNT make sense, thats more of a testiment to Dragon Balls whack power scaling than anything else. D tier Vegito is still absolutely wild, these zenaki boosts are jumping into the millions of times multipliers
This is real. Some copium I've ingested is that Blue Vegito to MUI Goku is the same as Super Vegito to God Goku. While this doesn't necessarily explain the ways in which you can argue blue Goku is now far beyond Blue Vegito, but those questions and these facts are part of the reason why I find this topic so interesting. Thanks for watching!
The Goku and Vegeta in the T.O.P is stronger than the Goku and Vegeta in the Goku Black arc
@@toughmangaming8275 I mean, it makes sense. Blue Vegito from the Goku Black Arc is made up of a Goku and Vegeta that are much weaker than they are in the Tournament of Power. If they had fused during the ToP they would've been much higher. It's the same thing as Gogeta in the Broly Movie, he's so strong because he's comprised of a Goku and Vegeta that have already gone through the ToP. The real question is, if you take Goku and Vegeta from the same point in time and fuse them with Potara and the Fusion Dance, which is stronger, Vegito or Gogeta? Personally I've always preferred the interpretation that the Fusion Dance makes stronger fusions at the cost of having a time limit (or as of the maybe retcon of Super a shorter time limit) but I can definitely see the argument for them being equal or Potara being stronger. Either way, though, both fusions are awesome.
@@TheSonicdude98 I always saw it as the Fusion dance couldn't make a stronger fusion, seeing as it needs the two fusees to have the same power level/energy in order to perform the dance perfectly. Potara just straight up combines the two beings, and whether or not they're stronger depends on what the fusees have. For example, Goku and Hercule fusing via Potara MIGHT be stronger than Elder Kai who's a fusion of a witch and a Supreme Kai/In-Training. Solely because Goku has a way higher power level than Hercule, so combined it should theoretically just increase exponentially compared to the Elder Kai, who might just have the capabilities of magic and other abilities that might not be suited well for combat.
@@TechnicSky TL;DR: I think the Fusion Dance multiplies the result after combining whereas Potara doesn't, or at least multiplies it by more than the earrings.
True, you do need to equalize your power when you do the Fusion Dance, but what if there's a multiplier in play? For example, Potara just combines the two fusees power into a single being, while Fusion Dance combines their power at whatever they equalized it as and then doubled it. It personally makes sense to me because it's an actual technique that you need to learn how to do, whereas Potara just has you put on an earring, so logically Fusion should create a stronger result if you're having the same two people do both methods since one is way easier to pull off than the other, at least in my opinion.
If you believe Potara also applies a multiplier to the resulting fusion instead of just straight adding their power together, you can still solve the question by saying that the Fusion Dance has a higher multiplier, like X5 instead of the X2 of the Potara. It's not like this would be the first time a transformation or technique multiplied someone's power, since that's the whole purpose of the Kaioken and Super Saiyan was originally a 50 times multiplier to the person's base power(I say originally because the later grades introduced in Cell have higher multipliers and Super seems to have retconned how the transformations worked entirely since somehow post-Buu SS1 Goku is said to still be as strong as he was when he fought Freeza on Namek apparently, though whether that was an error of some kind or not I have no clue, I'm just basing it on what I remember Whis saying when he and Beerus met Goku on King Kai's planet).
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Hit is the ultimate noob stomper of the DB universe. Like if you aren’t just straight up clearing him in strength than there’s really nothing you can do against his technique.
Can he beat tonpa though
Not that really affects the ranking but one thing I do feel like is understated about Goku Black is his potential growth (bias incoming)
Although he may not match up to Golden Frieza stat wise in a vacuum, I feel like in an actual death match scenario if he was getting pushed that, combined with his scythe and clones, he could push his potential hard enough to surpass Frieza outright or go even higher
Granted it can't really be factored since we don't how if he could grow fast enough before he loses, but I felt it worth mentioning as Goku Black throughout his arc becomes a zenkai merchant with how much he just forces power boosts on himself to clap the Z-Fighters (losing to ssj2 goku and one shotting blue vegeta, trounced by rage blue goku and them bodying him seconds after, losing to vegeta only to pull out a scythe etc.)
Please do the super Manga 🙏
Man, damn this was good! I've been binging your videos today. New subscriber! This channel is making me rethink and appreciate super a little bit
Thank you so much friend, I’m glad you enjoyed
I've been binge watching your db videos lately. Some of my favorite stuff to watch when I'm eating or exercising.
You should do one of these for the dbs movies and a seperate one for the manga,you do a very good job explaining placements and really got me thinking about how the different fighters would do against each other.
Great Video! I enjoyed watching the whole thing and it did spur a curiosity on where SSJB Gogeta and FPSSJ Broly would go, along with Beerus since in the anime, it's pretty concrete that during the TOP, he was surpassed by Jiren and Goku.
Personally, I'd have Blue Gogeta be in Z tier (probably the highest rank), along with Cui Goku and LB Jiren since those 2 (Goku and Jiren) are the only two in the T.O.P to have been stated/hinted to have surpassed the GoDs.
Broly is also a character hinted to be = to or stronger than Beerus, and we see the gaps of power between Broly and Gogeta is significantly different.
As for FPSSJ Broly, I'd put him in his own rank above the S tier, but below the Z tier as he's definitely stronger than Blue Evo Vegeta, GoD Toppo but also greatly weaker than Blue Gogeta who's comparable to the other 2.
Lastly, as for Beerus, I'd also put him in the same Tier as Broly but greater as for the same reason i mentioned above.
Overall, I find these types of videos quite enjoyable to watch and hope you create more quality content like this
Something that just occurred to me is if 17 has infinite energy and we know that energy can be shared, why wouldn't he have been the team "medic" or whatever? It wouldn't heal wounds but it'd keep everyone from being exhausted constantly. Would've also been a cool thing to paint that target on his back and have U7 protecting him.
I disagree with some points but fun video
Hey, I’m glad you enjoyed nonetheless!
Vegito could’ve beaten Zamasu. The issue was “The power output reduced the amount of time the fusion had.” Which honestly is stupid. Vegito would be above Corrupted Zamasu and would’ve killed him.
I love the completely random first image that has Vegeta towering over everyone else like a giant
I feel like kale's a bit confusing. Yes she was ragdolling goku early on in blue, but then goku proceeds to clap both sisters at the same time in the god form while kale is supposedly in her "stronger form"💀. Also being a goku that was tired from his battle with jiren
My biggest issue is with how high Kale is. Imo it’s much more likely Goku held back power on her rather than her actually being above beginning of ToP Blue Goku. We see beginning of ToP SSB Goku and Hit both do way better than her against Jiren. 17 and Frieza did better against Jiren as well. Kale was just burning through all her power while Goku was conserving his energy for the rest of the tournament. Something similar happens in the manga as well.
The implications of Kale being above Blue but below God Goku are so cursed when you consider all the other characters, especially Frieza and Android 17. Which you did, which is why this can't help but be a mess.
It does not stand up to scrutiny at all. But I was happy to watch most of this anyways.
I feel for Hit vs Goku Black (high ball)
Goku black cockiness and willingness to take hits will be what takes him down sure Goku Black knows about Hit since he watched god tube but if anything that would entice Goku Black more knowing hit was able to grow with goku and break even the gods level of power without god ki not to mention he has no idea how dangerous Hit when going for the kill is like vs the hit that he saw
to me it's basically like Goku vs Hit v2 where Goku knows somewhat about hit and knows his coming after him but Hit sends one attack and fully kills Goku Black
Can you scale GT next?
Man, i'm happy that they have goated Gohan in manga like Roshii.
THANK YOU idc what anybody says kefla SLAPS vegito and zamazu 😭💯
Love the vids !
W video, just glad to see my guy Jiren at the top tier
The issue with zamasu is that he never fough seriously. We never got to see his full power because he pride himself as being too good to waste said full power on mere mortals.
Also he s immortal so yeah, he really didn't have any reasons to see anyone as a threat.
No proof of this bro
@@jimmfil The proof is how you see him not constantly rush at his opponent and unleach powerfull attacks. He s FAR STRONGER than goku black and we already got to see what goku black can do because he actually enjoyed fighting. Most of the time zamasu was just blasting people from distance and getting offended whenever someone dared to attack him
@@drearydoll6305 so no proof? He uses full power and grows stronger via taking damage.
@@jimmfil You re basically implying that fused zamasu is weaker than goku black who was at this point winning his fight without trying.
Fused Zamasu was literally constantly yelling how mortals are trash and was just blasting people from a safe distance.
He was never trying to engage in close combat and was mostly blocking attacks before blasting people away from him and that was until vegito happened and even then here he was mostly just throwing punch until something hit out of anger because a filthy mortal dare to fight against him.
We know both zamasu (pre and post goku black ) are very skilled close combat fighter and fused zamasu is just a very strong zamasu.
Just re watch the episodes. Compare how zamasu and goku blacks were fighting VS how fused zamasu fight.
Its specially obvious when you remember how zamasu was fully taking advantage of the immortality thing when he let goku black stab someone through him because he knew black's atk wouldn't affect him.
Conclusion, if fused zamasu was fighting seriously from the get go he would just charged at the trio without fearing anything.
And if u re telling me "but he isn't completly immortal post fusion" , i m telling you that he clearly didn't know that until half his body started to turn purple.
@@drearydoll6305 if he fought seriously from the get go Zamasu would get cooked either way because Goku with a FP kamehameha or with the kaioken could’ve overpowered zamasu atp, also again he was trying either way against vegito he just couldn’t keep up in speed which was stated by vegito himself. Along with actively fighting against SOH Trunks. He just grew stronger during the fights via taking damage no proof of him NOT trying at all especially considering SOH trunks was going to kill him.
The whole notion of "the Saiyans were always just getting stronger" during the ToP is pure bad writing, all because they had to stuff in the newest strong man to bait people with when it comes to Goku.
Great list! I agree with most of this. I like to think the way Goku Blue was able to defeat Fused Zamasu's holy wrath by focusing his energy in a small point compared to Zamasu dispersing his energy in that huge attack (That's why his kamehameha pierced through the attack).
And I think Goku Black is too high on the list considering Goku Blue probably surpassed him during the Zamasu fight and then trained for months.
Do the manga, I wanna see anime only’s freak out
The old turtle fights Jiren in the manga, this crap is even dumber than the anime
I am definitely trying to see the dragon ball super manga tier list. It’s a pretty nice list and the leaps in logic isn’t to crazy. It’s definitely based on how you watch the anime and perceive the events. I do think that there’s a few spots for characters that could be changes and some tiers merged together. Mainly because the jump in power maybe smaller than which was said in this video. However based on ten rules you gave your tier list, I know why you did it that way.
Could you explain how Blue evolution works? Stating the manga/anime diffrences in design and strengh?
Yeah! So in a video, I actually went over SSBE in my Super Saiyan Blue video if you wanna check that out, but I have no qualms going over it here. To recap, I believe SSBE functions as Super Saiyan Grade 2 for Super Saiyan Blue given their similar designs. The anime/manga differences mostly come down to the fact that Vegeta seems to be more slim in the manga. In terms of power, the anime makes it clear that SSBKK and SSBE are equivalent so it probably has a times 20 multiplier, but the manga doesn't really show any clear multiplier. Hope that helps!
I think it’s meant to be like Goku’s Kaioken Times 20.
based toughman gaming upload, also btw, first
the narrator stated that dyspo in his light speed mode would give goku and vegeta a problem, with goku having ssbkk and vegeta with ssbe
Also Can you kinda explain SSB KK 20 from post UI 2 being above Ui2
I think Golden Frieza, Blue Goku, Blue Vegeta, and Wrath Broly from the Broly movie would go in a tier between A and S. Thoughts?
That's tough for me to say (assuming we're talking about the big tier list). I think I might need to review some stuff from the Broly movie, but even that movie is difficult to compare to the ToP characters given that the tournament is barley mentioned. I do believe it's possible that those three could be in the same tier as SSBKK and SSBE but I'm not sure how much stronger they would be than each other in those forms (if that makes sense). I also hold the extraordinarily hot DB take that I don't think Broly and Gogeta are in a tier above MUI Goku and Jiren. The reason I mention that is because I find that the stronger you think Broly and Gogeta are than the higher Freeza, and SSB Goku and Vegeta from Broly would go on this list. That's an interesting examination though and thanks for watching!
Kale and caulifla lost a 2v1 against ssg Goku
Not sure I’d agree with the idea that ssj2 goku against kale and caulifla was stronger than start of tournament blue goku. Goku’s self admittedly was almost completely out of energy and was weakened.
I think it makes more sense that blue goku simply underestimated how strong kale was at the start of the tournament. Same way his beam struggle against krillin went, I don’t think he went all out against kale
PLEASE DO THE MANGA
Also, I always see this video on my feed but I’ve been scared to binge an hour of DB content 😭
Krillin should be in Z teir if movies are included. Guy was the only one who could come in and save piccolo from cell max. You can visibly see cell's foot be pushed away when Krillin got involved. Also apparently not even goku or vegeta could take on cell from some statements..
This show ain't ever going to make sesnse
Thank you
vegito would have beat zamasu if zamasu stopped yapping
5:23 bruh
How is golden frieza weaker than kale, she’s at most god goku level and golden frieza is on par with SSB goku
Actually Golden Freiza was stronger than SSB Goku said directly by Goku in Resurrection F. He just burned though his power too fast and had stamina issues.
@@georgeshaw4017 goku and frieza were on par right before the tournament of power, they knocked each other out in their respective forms
@@mikaelcesar99 Well I mean though you are still right, I don't know why Kale is stronger than Golden Frieza on this list. This list kinda is a bit shakey....
I think that your scaling of Goku Black being comparable to Gohan and Freeza is quite inconsistent with the rest of the list given how you mention how both Goku, Vegeta and Gohan grow massively throughout the ToP, and thus Goku Black being comparable to or even above Goku from the previous arc isn't really that impressive at all here considering Freeza was able to go toe to toe with and withstand attacks from Hakaishin Toppo, and Gohan's strength is seemingly on the same level as Freeza's. I think a more accurate tier to put Goku Black into would be around the same power as Bergamo due to how both of them scale to a pre-ToP Blue Goku.
Where would you say LSSJ Broly would place? Just food for thought
Where's tier E and F?
not every list will have em
The power scaling is just trash like bruh
Vegiot and gogeta are Z tier
Vegitto weakens Fused Zamasu for Trunks to beat him 🤔
@thunderlifestudios yes, it's mentioned in the Saiyan Saga when it bounces off Krillin and Gohan but damages Vegeta.
When it comes to No.17 you missed and overlooked crucial points.
1. Toppo and SSB Goku was about dead even with each other. Goku was able to edge out the victory with his Warp Kamehameha. Now, this is where paying attention to key details comes into play. When proceeding to round 2 Toppo was going to use his full power in BASE. Goku responded with Blue Kaio-ken. This tells us that a full power base Toppo is equivalent to SSBKK from ×2-×10. This is because ×20 was being saved for Jiren and would've most definitely been enough for full power Toppo. Of course, if we scale SSBE Vegeta to SSBKK×20 Goku then we'll know Goku should have the power output to defeat Hakaishin Toppo.
2. Since we know Goku was forced to go Blue and 17 was able to stalemate that level of power while both admitting to still be holding back, tells us that No.17 is relevant to a full power SSB Goku. This would put him within SSB tier until...
3. When No.17 fought Toppo he was able to match Toppo's FULL POWER briefly. I say briefly because after the initial clash, Toppo had to pour more reserves, thus pushing the blast towards No.17. Remember, before firing the blast, Toppo said with "ALL" the justice he has within. This is Toppo utilizing his full power just to ring out No.17. Since we stated above that Toppo's full power is relevant to SSBKK×10 at max, this would place No.17 within Blue Kaio-ken to Blue Evolution tier.
4. No.17 vs Jiren is easily overlooked. I'm not going to discuss the sneak attack as we've seen many times in Dragon Ball that no matter how powerful you are, you can still take damage to those weaker when caught off guard. What I'm referring to is after the sneak attack. Jiren dashes towards 17 angry and No.17 blasts a barrage of Ki Blasts at him. These barrage of blast forced Jiren back to a standstill. That's right. No.17, ON HIS OWN, was able to push Jiren to a standstill all on his own. Now, his final impressive feat is his Final or Ultimate Barrier. The multiple barriers he stacked to withstand Jiren's massive ball of energy. At first, he actually stopped it. Jiren had to PUSH more force into the blast in order to power through the layers of barriers. This is no different from when Kid Buu was able to hold back the Super Spirit Bomb from Goku with energy gathered throughout the universe and of course Jiren's bout with the technique as well.
To conclude, No.17 would be at a Blue Kaio-ken to Blue Evolution tier based on the points I've provided.
The only thing I'm confused with is that Android 17 calls Golden Frieza a monster in power, and as far as i know Golden Frieza is only as strong as a regular SSB and not SSB×10 or SSBE.
You've got some god awful mic popping just littered throughout the video. That's my only criticism.
When is the manga version
Anilaza stronger than Kale: peace has been restored.
I don’t believe kale is that strong at most she’s stronger than gohan in her STRONGEST form her AND caulifa got destroyed by a fatigued suppressed god goku mid
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Hot take: Full Power/Limit Breaker Jiren is stronger than CUI Goku. Jiren was initially dominating Goku and even won a beam clash with ONE hand. It wasn’t until Goku got amped by the power of friendship (despite this a single kick from Jiren was able to send Goku flying whereas Goku needed several air punches to replicate the same thing) AND a rage boost that he finally managed to overpower Jiren.
………that would still mean that MUI Goku is stronger.
@@locomotivexxiii No it doesn’t. Unless rage is integral to a character’s power (I.E. Hulk), rage boosts shouldn’t count towards a character’s own power. Do you count BoG SS2 Vegeta being stronger than SS3 Goku because Vegeta briefly surpassed Goku via rage amp during the “My Bulma” scene? If the answer is no, then this shouldn’t apply to CUI Goku.
I could see this as Jiren struggled because of the form Ultra Instinct itself. He had a hard time hitting Goku making him waste energy and in wasting energy he lost what made him such a tank and tired himself out. @@ultimate_capper3643
@ultimate_capper3643 the way ki works yeah lmao
@@zayy4440 ???? Elaborate?
Dragon ball straight up doesnt make sense anymore, even in the buu saga things were getting out of hand GT ending as good as it did should of been enough for everybody
Power levels are so stupid that Super actually made me hate Z so much.
idk why super would make uou hate z 😭 you seem fickle
@@ri_c_e I don't talk to children, sorry.
@@OGTH-camEnjoyer cornball.
@@OGTH-camEnjoyerdrunk you are child
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Vegeta is stronger than goku in s teir they already fought
Putting hit in C teir makes no sense
This video is dumb
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