A run through of simple checks to make when your starter button seems dead. This video is from a little while back when I tried to start my bike for the first time after three years.
Cheers mate. I hoped it would be something simple. Your video helped me check a few things and my Transalp ignition is now working again. Thanks for your knowledge. Very much appreciated.
Pleased it helped. I rode a Transalp across France a few years back, good bike, I liked it. I fell off it mind you, stationary, in a lay-by. Loose gravel and a slope.
I have good new battery; no kill switch; ( that I see) and no click or noise when starter button is pressed. I took apart the starter button assembly and sprayed heavily with elec cleaner. Heeelp! 🥴
Have you followed through the advice in my video step by step? This is the best advice I've got! Check solenoid and earth strap in starter motor. Good luck.
Thank you for your video! I had dismantled my bike trying find the source of my starting issue only to find that it was the brake switch all along. I had a laugh! Lol
Check the kill switch a good tip 👍 Still wouldn't have helped me here. The check lights were on, the kill switch in 'run'. The bike is 43 years old and lacks any finesse in the electrical side that more modern bikes may have. It was the dumbest of errors on my part, revealed for those that watch to the very end of the vid. 😂
Will a motorcycle start with the kick start if electric starter is not cranking for nothing? I was thinking of touching solenoid with insulated screwdriver but I'm afraid of messing up starter or something on the bike. Thanks for the video any feedback appreciated
It really depends on the actual fault, but I don't see that you can do any harm trying to kick start a bike, so long as the engine turns over and there is nothing mechanical snapped or broken. If when you turn the ignition on you've got power it's worth trying this. Good luck.
Hey I need help so my Suzuki ltr450 Dosent start at all it’s completely dead and the battery says it’s charged but not even the lights work do u know what could be wrong with it ?
There are lots of possibilities. If the battery really is OK but nothing at all lights up it might be the connections on the battery terminal connections themselves are corroded or loose. You could clean and reconnect. It might be where the earth strap from the battery connects to the frame is loose or corroded, you could check that. It might be the ignition switch, where the key goes in is broken inside or faulty. That's a bit more complicated to check without a multimeter and without knowing the bike. Are you 100% sure the battery is OK? Have you or a friend got a spare to try as a way of checking? Good luck.
My bike died on me the first time I got it 😔 I can’t turn it on, it just makes weak start up that lasts like 5 seconds of weak gas but doesn’t turn fully on
If the starter kicks in, and the engine turns weakly, my video probably won't help, because it's mostly about the electrical circuit being broken. If the engine kicks in, even a bit, the starter circuit is complete, so not your problem. Could be a very weak battery though. Have you tried charging it? If the bike fires, but won't run it could be any number of problems, but I would start by checking the fuelling. Are you getting fuel to the engine? A common hiccup is forgetting to turn the fuel tap on. After that I would check for a good spark at the plug, and after that I would maybe check the timing..I would be worried if the bike is making any bad mechanical noises, like something is snapped or broken inside.
Hi there, i have problem.... My atv doesn't start when pushing start button, but it starts when I connect with screwdriver on solenoid. What should be a problem?
If it starts when you short the solenoid the most likely problem is a sticking solenoid or a fault in the starter button. I explain in the video how to check a solenoid. Good luck.
@@ChoppyGang No I haven't, I gotta take it to a mechanic bc it seems like a hassle. Gotta be something with the wiring, or the battery but the guy who sold it to me said it was new and it looks like. But the only way it started electricly was by touching the relay with a screwdriver so it's not the electric starter. But never with the press of a button. It's so annoying. I'm honestly tired, right now I'm not using that bike so I haven't bother taking it to a mechanic, it's just collecting dust.
Could be so many things, depends on the symptoms before it died. Was it running fine, or did you have problems? Do you have an ignition light on the dash or clocks when you turn the key? Anyway, first thing I would check is the battery terminals. Are they clean and tightened.. Does the battery have any charge? Doesn't bike make any noises at all, like clicks or whirrs? Have you tried charging the battery?
I’m so confused on why mine doesn’t work so I replaced the relay and the button is still dead you can jump it with a screwdriver and it starts fine but I press the switch there is nothing and it doesn’t have switch on the shifter of kickstand or clutch so I don’t understand why it isn’t working
Helpful information you provide. So if it starts shorting out with a screwdriver that suggets to me that from the relay (I would say solenoid) forward to the engine is good. (that is, the starter motor, engine earth, motor earth etc). Seems to point to a switch, like clutch or kickstand, but you say that you don't have them. Are you sure? What about a gearbox in neutral switch? Some have those. If not then I think it might be a fault in the wiring between the starter button and the relay (solenoid), like a corroded connector. Have you tested for continuity along the wires from starter button to relay? That's what I would do. Also, is your engine kill switch to 'run'? That shouldn't be the problem though, if it runs when shorted.
The bike leaping forward means it's still in gear. If you have the clutch pulled in it shouldn't happen unless there is something wrong with the clutch, like a broken clutch cable. In that case it's not an electrical fault, which is what I'm covering in this video.
Thanks, a helpful observation. I didn't even think about it, although failure is uncommon and the confession at the end of my video is about not forgetting that the starter motor circuit is sometimes contingent on switches, which was what prompted me to post the video a couple of years ago. 👍
My bike starts with kickstarter but doesn't with electric starter, I can hear that the electric starter works and I can see the revs go up but when I release the button it just doesn't keep running. The battery isn't the problem...
That's a really interesting one. So if you don't use the electric start, but kick it over, it runs OK? With the electric start it will try to start but won't run? Makes me think maybe there is something wrong at the starter motor end - like perhaps the starter motor is not disengaging normally and could be jamming. Stripping and cleaning the starter motor is one option, I suppose. Another thought is whether there might be an electrical short somewhere which is killing the engine - like if you have a kill switch in the same handlebar control as the starter button (like the bike in this video) and something is shorting in there. It's a puzzling one - interested. to hear anyone else's ideas. Good luck.
Good luck. Might be worth keeping in mind, on the battery / enough power issue, that batteries can often test OK when not under load, but as soon as you put them under load they can dip badly. Might be worth trying a spare battery if you have one, or jump starting with a known good battery of the same voltage. (Most are 12V these days, of course, but my old trail bike is 6V).
For me its same expect when I use electric starter it does make a sound of it trying to start, though it doesnt. Do you maybe know to tell me if its out of eletricity in engine? When I use kickstart and start riding it, it behaves like normal.
I got a new battery, But I press the button and won't do nothing. The battery is good bc I shocked both sides of the relay with a screwdriver and it did turn on. But never with the button. And also It won't power the lights while off and with the ignition. The battery is new.
Sounds like a pain in the ass. Could be a fault in the starter button or a break in the circuit/bad connection from the starter button. Sounds like from the solenoid forwards to the starter motor is OK, so possibly the problem is earlier in the circuit, before the solenoid, maybe. Hope you get it fixed OK.
@@Mr_CMH I will replace the solenoid relay and if still doesn't power up with the button, would've have to be a cable not well connected from the button.
@@willgamer0849 Sounds like a good plan. A sticking solenoid is quite common. I should have said that first, although I do talk about how to check the solenoid in my video. On my bike I did have to replace the starter button once, I think a spring broke, but I don't recall the details, there's been lots of stuff fixed or renewed! Good luck.
@@Mr_CMH Is weird bc my old battery did power the lights even when off only with ignition, but it never turned on even when touched the relay with a screwdriver. But this other battery won't power the lights while off. But it does turn on when I touch the relay with a screwdriver.
@@willgamer0849 Could it possibly be a fault in the ignition switch? Is the ignition barrel worn? Are the connections out of it corroded at all? Seems strange as you say. Could it even be two faults, which is tricking you?
Tricky! A few thoughts. If you are getting NOTHING not even a click, you should check that you have a good clean earth/ground. Then check your battery has a good charge, especially if the bike has stood a while. Are you sure the starter motor is good? (Was it new or from a breakers yard?). Maybe, like in this video, it is one of the kill switches got knocked? Is there a kill switch on the handlebar? Did it get knocked? Has the bike got a kill switch on the kickstand? Is it working OK? Good luck - I think my video should help rule some things out.
@@Mr_CMH thanks for the reply IV charged battery bought starter brannew IV just had a mechanic on fb who previously done work on it. I told him solenoid could be the problem aswell then he's trying to get me to buy a new engine as he said it would be cheaper but my engine is fine so I'm abit confused now I'm going to clean earth and ground on solenoid athter that don't know what to do as i don't trust are even like the mechanic
If the engine was running fine before the starter broke, doesn't suggest the whole engine needs replacing, guess it depends how cheap the dude can get an engine. Wish I could help more, just try to go through things one at a time.
@@Mr_CMH the man's a joke works out his dad's garden tried selling me cocaine last time i was there. I think I'll give him a complete miss i think IV got solenoid sparking and some sort of clicking when ignition turns on god knows thanks mate
Thanks for the positive feedback lols. So basically, if you take the solenoid off, but it on a workbench and connect it up via the small wires (that go to the starter switch) to a 12V battery, it will kind of 'jump' when you make the connection as the electro magnetic switch is activated inside. That's the simplest way to test one. The will actually 'jolt' when you make the connection. Obviously observe sensible safety precautions when doing this (insulated connectors etc.).
@@Mr_CMH it starts right away skipping start button so battery, starter motor and relay is fine! So I think side stand and clutch are ok too but have find out how to check. I would tip its the starter button, hope its not wire soome where. thank you for respond
But I have no idea how to take start inside out, there are no screw it looks like one part, weird. In hainess manual there is nothing regarding start button check and repair
@@04poppop I've never owned a Bandit. Had a couple of gsxf 600s though. Maybe the screws are on the underside. You could try asking an a Bandit forum, they might have more idea than me.
Bro you're sticking your finger in the electrical with the hot wire plugged into the battery. Disconnevt the negative on the battery when you're working on electrical
The idiots Clive, are the people that design engines that have multiple 'won't start' switches. One of my bikes, forget which didn't have a kick start (only starter it had) so I had to bump it off. No, let me rephrase that, it was a friends bike I borrowed. Norton 600cc engine. Can't remember what frame it was in. Joke was being small I wasn't strong enough and once didn't manage it and fell over lol.
Didn't hurt anything Clive. Unlike if a modern bike falls over that can cost 1000s, old bikes just landed on the footpeg and handlebar. Only problem I had was it was heavy. He'd lent me it for a couple of weeks while I got my car fixed.
Thanks for the suppotive comment. Did you watch the video to the very end? The punchline is in the last 30, seconds... don't forget the circuit can be contingent on a switch, in my case in the clutch lever. If you read the comments you'll see plenty of other people seemed to find it very helpful.
Yeah, thanks for the positive comment. You must have a pretty fulfilling lifestyle, dribbling over your TV dinner trolling someone who you don't even know.
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Cheers mate. I hoped it would be something simple. Your video helped me check a few things and my Transalp ignition is now working again. Thanks for your knowledge. Very much appreciated.
Pleased it helped. I rode a Transalp across France a few years back, good bike, I liked it. I fell off it mind you, stationary, in a lay-by. Loose gravel and a slope.
😂
That's just made my day. Been in a right mood can't get my bike to turn over but this just made me laugh.
I know right! Imagine how I felt!
Excellent. Many thanks for producing this.
Thanks very much.
Brilliant always easy to think what it might be once you find it.
Thanks for sharing, its easy to forget, we all do it.
I have good new battery; no kill switch; ( that I see) and no click or noise when starter button is pressed. I took apart the starter button assembly and sprayed heavily with elec cleaner. Heeelp! 🥴
Have you followed through the advice in my video step by step? This is the best advice I've got! Check solenoid and earth strap in starter motor. Good luck.
Thank you for your video! I had dismantled my bike trying find the source of my starting issue only to find that it was the brake switch all along. I had a laugh! Lol
Good to hear that you got it sorted!
Dude your edmitence in fu-king up. Has my bike running. Damn clutch safety switch. Thank you. I appreciate your honesty and so does my bike.lol
Pleased to have helped.👍
Thank you for posting this helpful video!! You helped me save some $$$
I also thank you for this post. Not in Proper Neutral, Who would have thought
Thanks from me and my Royal Enfield old Bullet
Pleased it was helpful!
Redeemed yourself with an ace video for troubleshooting the dreaded no go situation.
Thanks, hope it was helpful.
Great tips
Thanks!
Very helpful and honest. I bet you was so frustrated when after realising.
Thanks. Not the first time I overlooked something simple, and won't be the last!
Usually the check lights go on when you tun the key to on. 2nd check engine kill switch and make sure it is in the run position….
Check the kill switch a good tip 👍 Still wouldn't have helped me here. The check lights were on, the kill switch in 'run'. The bike is 43 years old and lacks any finesse in the electrical side that more modern bikes may have. It was the dumbest of errors on my part, revealed for those that watch to the very end of the vid. 😂
Will a motorcycle start with the kick start if electric starter is not cranking for nothing? I was thinking of touching solenoid with insulated screwdriver but I'm afraid of messing up starter or something on the bike. Thanks for the video any feedback appreciated
It really depends on the actual fault, but I don't see that you can do any harm trying to kick start a bike, so long as the engine turns over and there is nothing mechanical snapped or broken. If when you turn the ignition on you've got power it's worth trying this. Good luck.
Hey I need help so my Suzuki ltr450 Dosent start at all it’s completely dead and the battery says it’s charged but not even the lights work do u know what could be wrong with it ?
There are lots of possibilities. If the battery really is OK but nothing at all lights up it might be the connections on the battery terminal connections themselves are corroded or loose. You could clean and reconnect. It might be where the earth strap from the battery connects to the frame is loose or corroded, you could check that. It might be the ignition switch, where the key goes in is broken inside or faulty. That's a bit more complicated to check without a multimeter and without knowing the bike.
Are you 100% sure the battery is OK? Have you or a friend got a spare to try as a way of checking? Good luck.
My bike died on me the first time I got it 😔 I can’t turn it on, it just makes weak start up that lasts like 5 seconds of weak gas but doesn’t turn fully on
If the starter kicks in, and the engine turns weakly, my video probably won't help, because it's mostly about the electrical circuit being broken. If the engine kicks in, even a bit, the starter circuit is complete, so not your problem. Could be a very weak battery though. Have you tried charging it? If the bike fires, but won't run it could be any number of problems, but I would start by checking the fuelling. Are you getting fuel to the engine? A common hiccup is forgetting to turn the fuel tap on. After that I would check for a good spark at the plug, and after that I would maybe check the timing..I would be worried if the bike is making any bad mechanical noises, like something is snapped or broken inside.
Hi there, i have problem.... My atv doesn't start when pushing start button, but it starts when I connect with screwdriver on solenoid. What should be a problem?
If it starts when you short the solenoid the most likely problem is a sticking solenoid or a fault in the starter button. I explain in the video how to check a solenoid. Good luck.
@@Mr_CMH It's solenoid, not clicking when conected on battery... Tnx man
I touched the relay with a screwdriver and turned on, so is not the battery. But I never turns on with the button. Do I have to replace that thing?
@@willgamer0849did you ever fix the issue?
@@ChoppyGang No I haven't, I gotta take it to a mechanic bc it seems like a hassle. Gotta be something with the wiring, or the battery but the guy who sold it to me said it was new and it looks like. But the only way it started electricly was by touching the relay with a screwdriver so it's not the electric starter. But never with the press of a button. It's so annoying. I'm honestly tired, right now I'm not using that bike so I haven't bother taking it to a mechanic, it's just collecting dust.
Is the solenoid is a rely switch?
A relay and a solenoid perform the same function.
automobilenote.com/what-is-the-difference-between-relay-and-solenoid/
What happens when your bike not getting power at all it's dead?
Could be so many things, depends on the symptoms before it died. Was it running fine, or did you have problems? Do you have an ignition light on the dash or clocks when you turn the key? Anyway, first thing I would check is the battery terminals. Are they clean and tightened.. Does the battery have any charge? Doesn't bike make any noises at all, like clicks or whirrs? Have you tried charging the battery?
Check the main fuse
I’m so confused on why mine doesn’t work so I replaced the relay and the button is still dead you can jump it with a screwdriver and it starts fine but I press the switch there is nothing and it doesn’t have switch on the shifter of kickstand or clutch so I don’t understand why it isn’t working
Helpful information you provide. So if it starts shorting out with a screwdriver that suggets to me that from the relay (I would say solenoid) forward to the engine is good. (that is, the starter motor, engine earth, motor earth etc). Seems to point to a switch, like clutch or kickstand, but you say that you don't have them. Are you sure? What about a gearbox in neutral switch? Some have those. If not then I think it might be a fault in the wiring between the starter button and the relay (solenoid), like a corroded connector. Have you tested for continuity along the wires from starter button to relay? That's what I would do. Also, is your engine kill switch to 'run'? That shouldn't be the problem though, if it runs when shorted.
hello sir my dirtbike wont strt by pushbotn?
Hope the video helps with a few ideas.
What do I do if when I try to connect the battery; the bike tries to take off? Please help
The bike leaping forward means it's still in gear. If you have the clutch pulled in it shouldn't happen unless there is something wrong with the clutch, like a broken clutch cable. In that case it's not an electrical fault, which is what I'm covering in this video.
i crashed my dirtbike and now the e start button is dead when you press it, it doesnt make no sound at all
Hope the checks in my video are some help. 👍
I think you should wear a helmet all the time Clive… hold the clutch in . Lol
I know, right! I've only been riding 30 years!
Then there is also cdi unit, which you haven't mentioned.
Thanks, a helpful observation. I didn't even think about it, although failure is uncommon and the confession at the end of my video is about not forgetting that the starter motor circuit is sometimes contingent on switches, which was what prompted me to post the video a couple of years ago. 👍
My bike starts with kickstarter but doesn't with electric starter, I can hear that the electric starter works and I can see the revs go up but when I release the button it just doesn't keep running. The battery isn't the problem...
That's a really interesting one. So if you don't use the electric start, but kick it over, it runs OK? With the electric start it will try to start but won't run? Makes me think maybe there is something wrong at the starter motor end - like perhaps the starter motor is not disengaging normally and could be jamming. Stripping and cleaning the starter motor is one option, I suppose. Another thought is whether there might be an electrical short somewhere which is killing the engine - like if you have a kill switch in the same handlebar control as the starter button (like the bike in this video) and something is shorting in there. It's a puzzling one - interested. to hear anyone else's ideas. Good luck.
Yes, but I will try today when I use the electric starter if the spark plug is still working fine or if it doesn't get enough power
Good luck. Might be worth keeping in mind, on the battery / enough power issue, that batteries can often test OK when not under load, but as soon as you put them under load they can dip badly. Might be worth trying a spare battery if you have one, or jump starting with a known good battery of the same voltage. (Most are 12V these days, of course, but my old trail bike is 6V).
For me its same expect when I use electric starter it does make a sound of it trying to start, though it doesnt. Do you maybe know to tell me if its out of eletricity in engine? When I use kickstart and start riding it, it behaves like normal.
A difficult problem. If the bike is OK when running, started off kick start, maybe could be a weak battery??
I got a new battery, But I press the button and won't do nothing. The battery is good bc I shocked both sides of the relay with a screwdriver and it did turn on. But never with the button. And also It won't power the lights while off and with the ignition. The battery is new.
Sounds like a pain in the ass. Could be a fault in the starter button or a break in the circuit/bad connection from the starter button. Sounds like from the solenoid forwards to the starter motor is OK, so possibly the problem is earlier in the circuit, before the solenoid, maybe. Hope you get it fixed OK.
@@Mr_CMH I will replace the solenoid relay and if still doesn't power up with the button, would've have to be a cable not well connected from the button.
@@willgamer0849 Sounds like a good plan. A sticking solenoid is quite common. I should have said that first, although I do talk about how to check the solenoid in my video. On my bike I did have to replace the starter button once, I think a spring broke, but I don't recall the details, there's been lots of stuff fixed or renewed! Good luck.
@@Mr_CMH Is weird bc my old battery did power the lights even when off only with ignition, but it never turned on even when touched the relay with a screwdriver. But this other battery won't power the lights while off. But it does turn on when I touch the relay with a screwdriver.
@@willgamer0849 Could it possibly be a fault in the ignition switch? Is the ignition barrel worn? Are the connections out of it corroded at all? Seems strange as you say. Could it even be two faults, which is tricking you?
I'm lost i droped my bike broke starter moter put a new one in nothing is happening
Tricky! A few thoughts. If you are getting NOTHING not even a click, you should check that you have a good clean earth/ground. Then check your battery has a good charge, especially if the bike has stood a while. Are you sure the starter motor is good? (Was it new or from a breakers yard?). Maybe, like in this video, it is one of the kill switches got knocked? Is there a kill switch on the handlebar? Did it get knocked? Has the bike got a kill switch on the kickstand? Is it working OK?
Good luck - I think my video should help rule some things out.
@@Mr_CMH thanks for the reply IV charged battery bought starter brannew IV just had a mechanic on fb who previously done work on it. I told him solenoid could be the problem aswell then he's trying to get me to buy a new engine as he said it would be cheaper but my engine is fine so I'm abit confused now I'm going to clean earth and ground on solenoid athter that don't know what to do as i don't trust are even like the mechanic
If the engine was running fine before the starter broke, doesn't suggest the whole engine needs replacing, guess it depends how cheap the dude can get an engine. Wish I could help more, just try to go through things one at a time.
@@Mr_CMH the man's a joke works out his dad's garden tried selling me cocaine last time i was there. I think I'll give him a complete miss i think IV got solenoid sparking and some sort of clicking when ignition turns on god knows thanks mate
1:53 . your not making much sense here. how do I test the solonoid?
Thanks for the positive feedback lols. So basically, if you take the solenoid off, but it on a workbench and connect it up via the small wires (that go to the starter switch) to a 12V battery, it will kind of 'jump' when you make the connection as the electro magnetic switch is activated inside. That's the simplest way to test one. The will actually 'jolt' when you make the connection. Obviously observe sensible safety precautions when doing this (insulated connectors etc.).
My bandit used to start sometime, sometime not. When not starts there is no reaction at all. Now its only no start. Battery is ok, relay is ok,
I guess I'd be checking the actual starter button and the continuity of the wiring in general. Could be a bad earth too. Hope you get it sorted.
@@Mr_CMH it starts right away skipping start button so battery, starter motor and relay is fine! So I think side stand and clutch are ok too but have find out how to check. I would tip its the starter button, hope its not wire soome where. thank you for respond
But I have no idea how to take start inside out, there are no screw it looks like one part, weird. In hainess manual there is nothing regarding start button check and repair
@@04poppop I've never owned a Bandit. Had a couple of gsxf 600s though. Maybe the screws are on the underside. You could try asking an a Bandit forum, they might have more idea than me.
@@Mr_CMH Mystery how the hell I am supposed to take it out??
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Bro you're sticking your finger in the electrical with the hot wire plugged into the battery. Disconnevt the negative on the battery when you're working on electrical
Low tension, no problem. You wouldn't see me handle the high tension side like this. 😮
The idiots Clive, are the people that design engines that have multiple 'won't start' switches. One of my bikes, forget which didn't have a kick start (only starter it had) so I had to bump it off. No, let me rephrase that, it was a friends bike I borrowed. Norton 600cc engine. Can't remember what frame it was in. Joke was being small I wasn't strong enough and once didn't manage it and fell over lol.
MalcOfLincoln Oh dear Malc, hope your friend didn't mind! It was a simple mistake, but cost me a bit of time.
Didn't hurt anything Clive. Unlike if a modern bike falls over that can cost 1000s, old bikes just landed on the footpeg and handlebar. Only problem I had was it was heavy. He'd lent me it for a couple of weeks while I got my car fixed.
Not the fucking starter that’s not a switch
?... but it is operated by a switch on this bike, and there are other switches in the starter circuit, which is the whole point of the video.
Probably would be more technically accurate for me to have said "contact", or "circuit breaker" but most people seem to understand.
lots of talk about what you did. no demonstration. im a visual learner. your video no help
Thanks for the suppotive comment. Did you watch the video to the very end? The punchline is in the last 30, seconds... don't forget the circuit can be contingent on a switch, in my case in the clutch lever. If you read the comments you'll see plenty of other people seemed to find it very helpful.
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Yeah, thanks for the positive comment. You must have a pretty fulfilling lifestyle, dribbling over your TV dinner trolling someone who you don't even know.
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