Do we eventually want a part 2 ft. Flash and crossovers or should we let this die? EDIT: Gyat dayum more people hate these shows than I realised lmao it don't matter tho 🥱
Arrowverse definitely deserves a lot more credit than it deserves. They were able to create a shared tv universe that was composed of multiple tv shows and probably most impressive they were able to take a bunch of B, C and D listers and turn them into houehold names and well known amongst comic book fans. I know has some CW cringe and that it focuses more on it's CW audience rather than it's comic book audience but even if you didn't like the delivery could just not acknowledge the achievement because that shouldn't diminished the success they were able to pull off
Once I learned it was a shot at stephen amell I felt bad for laughing about it he was just going to something his daughter had an interest in and he's getting clowned for it. I'd be pissed too.
Superman and Lois is the best superman media of this century, period. I'd like to die on this hill and then wait to see how Gunn's Supes film turns out to be.
I’d love for a second video taking about CW Arrowverse. I loved it growing up and fell out of love with it. I’ve debated about rewatching some of the shows, but I have enough on my plate already lol You and Troyboyo17 should do a collab, it would be great!
Stephen Amell as Oliver Queen will always be one of my favorite DC characters. Even though the show didn’t do as great in the later seasons, Stephen’s performance carried it.
@@conradlorgar5508 True, but the fact that they are going to end the Arrowverse/Superman and Lois because of this new chapter of DC, it would be a pretty awesome farewell.
The Arrowverse didn’t deserve to survive this long. Look what they did to my boy Mr. Terrific 😤 They had some cool moments, the first seasons of Arrow and The Flash were goated and Vixen’s web series was kinda cool, but I tapped out after Legends of Tomorrow and Season 3 of The Flash.
What happened to the Arrowverse? It was created and did permanent lasting damage to the perception of Green Arrow by making him a Batman clone despite the character having evolved past that for decades and let's not talk about how they fumbled the iconic relationship between Green Arrow and Black Canary, then making Supergirl just a female Clark Kent and further damaging Wally West's reputation by giving his personality to Barry Allen. Then Superman and Lois came out and it was genuinely great and as far as I'm concerned nothing DC CW exists before Superman and Lois, other than Smallville.
As someone who has watched the Arrowverse TV shows and specials, here is basically how the average Arrowverse show went: Season 1 - amazing Season 2 - great Season 3 - not so great (some really hate it) Season 4 - honestly, not that bad (some people beg to differ) Season 5 - I think we are losing the point here Season 6 - how did we get here? Season 7 - somebody please end this show The finale - ranges from bad to pretty good. Mind you, some of the shows, like Batwoman, were bad/received poorly from the start and got canceled early on.
Dude I like your videos but I heavily disagree on the Green Arrow defense. --- Your Argument for CW Green Arrow having a different personality compared to his comic counterpart is kinda bad that I compare this argument to the fanboys defending Bayverse Optimus Prime turning into Violent Psychopath. --- Yes, Green Arrow's Origin was that he was Stranded on an Island and suffered surviving there both CW and comics. The reason Green Arrow had a very Hyper or Dynamic personality is because he is using that as a barrier to treat obstacles and difficulties in life in a more light-hearted way so that it doesn't let it bother him. The same way Optimus is worthy of the Matrix of Leadership is that despite being engrossed in this never ending war, Optimus never wavers or changes because his purpose is meant to represent how one should persevere and resist despite the turmoil they are in. --- Just because Green Arrow acts like wise-crack and like he doesn't acknowledge the seriousness or the dangers of his lifestyle it's because he does and he masks it with his identity the same way Batman does. --- I don't mind you liking this interpretation of Green Arrow but I disagree on your defense on justifying why him being stranded on an island should be a basis on why he definitely needs to be serious and gritty like the Batman. Edit: I'm probably taking this part of his video way too seriously but I can't help it since that argument reminded me of Bayverse fanboys too much.
Since DC Fans think CW’s Green Arrow acts more like Batman, I personally think the Bayverse Optimus Prime acts more like Nemesis Prime then Optimus. Heck, when Optimus got brainwashed and was turned into Nemesis in the last Bayformers movie, I didn’t really care because characterwise, it wouldn’t change considering his personality & actions.
Also comics GA being created as a Batman ripoff doesn't really excuse show Arrow being one because it has like what 70 years of comics which developed him as a character beyond being just a Batman rip-off. I like this version but he's also not much of a great adaptation either Batman in his first couple comics is completely fine with killing people and using guns but if you featured that in a movie or show, people would rightfully be pissed at the mis-characterization because Batman isn't just defined by his first couple appearances. Multiple decades of comics developed his character beyond his initial appearance and it's part of the character. And I don't see why this should be any different. Honestly it's kinda worse for GA because this is kinda his one major adaptation. Like obviously he appears in some of the animated shows and Smallville, but when people think of GA this one is probably the only one coming to mind. Animation is unfortunately not seen by as many people as live action and Smallville is much older in comparison while this incarnation ended relatively recently. Batman in contrast has had many adaptations which means that some adaptations ignoring parts of his character can be half excused by "trying to be fresh" or "re-inventing the character" or something like that. Same for Black Canary and GA. If Arrow had had multiple iconic and famous (live-action) interpretations before then them doing Felicity instead of BC would've been a fine change IMO, because it's changing things up. Like it wouldn't be too bad if a new Batman adaptation had Bats end up with Talia or Vicky Vale instead of Catwoman.
I agree with every take apart from the anti beebo propaganda, I still remember the legends dramatically fusing together ready to fight the big evil demon lord and then just huge beebo popping up like "beebo loves you :))", me and my dad absolutely died laughing, peak "this is insane and the writers were on so many drugs and I love it" moment
I can't believe Superman And Lois is came to it's final season... 😔 Edit: 10:39 I mean he could've had the kids when he was in his early 20's... But he wouldn't have met Lois yet.
Having an Australian who also pirated almost every single episode of the Arrowverse because WE COULDN'T WATCH IT hearing someone say it out loud and get frustrated by it too, I appreciate this
It failed because it was UNNECESARY long, like, average Arrowverse show lenght was like 5 seasons with 23 EPISODE each with a run time of 40 minutes per episode
Lol I'm not gonna glaze it and this is coming from a Huge CW Flash and Legends of Tomorrow fan. --- The Arrowverse as time goes on becomes more and more of a Guilty Pleasure to me once you notice the flaws in the story, the writing, and the acting. I mean I don't blame it since it's CW there's not much to expect but they're still flawed. Doesn't stop me from loving them since I grew up watching them but they don't age very well when I look back on it without Rose Tinted Glasses
I always love seeing some positive Arrowverse discussion. Once S&L ends I'm gonna finally commit to making one of those long retrospective videos people have been doing lately lol, but for now even just a nice short simple appreciation video is a wonderful change of pace from the usual relentless negativity!
When they did Season 3 of Superman, the show runner said that Superman was separate from the other CW-verse / arrowverse shows. Thats why noone mentioned Kara in Season 4 when Superman was killed. Supergirl, Flash, Arrow, Black Lightning, Legends are all in one universe, and Superman and Lois are now separate.
my mental illness is having stuck with the entirety of the arrowverse from beginning to end. Every show. Every episode. Every season. Every crossover. Never missed a week.
You know what's even crazier? The first 3 seasons of The Flash TV show were so good and showed that the character had so much potential... I wonder why Warner Bros. never decided to do a movie for the Flash... Oh well, guess we can only wonder at what might've been.
part 2 should be exclusively The Flash, nothing more, maybe part 3 for the rest, but The Flash turned into such a mess that I think it deserves an entire video for itself
Say what you will about the Arrowverse but in the beginning everyone brought thier all and still had amazing corssovers and osts and productions and the chemistry of the characters were unmatched basically anything with the flash was peak. The Arrow made me get into archery and probably had the best story and fight choreography for those first 3 seasons. I remember Flash vs Arrow was like a tv event that people would talk about for weeks having the dark tone of arrow clash with the bright hearted Scarlett Speedster both learning more on heroism and sacrifices. I believe Legends of tmrw was really solid all the way through. It gave me firefly vibes. Supergirl was a bit ambitious for sure but it still was agreat adaptation of the character and those supergirl flash crossovers were everything. Even tho the writing took a downward spiral especially for the flash my gawd those last few seasons only had a few good apples, the OG actors are what carried the show. To this day Ive always had a fun time watching Grant and Tom just be the highlight of this universe along with Stephen and Melissa. It really did feel like these comic characters came to life.
I think Legends peaked after season 4. Season 3 had them taking on a time demon and ended in the funniest way possible and season 4 leaned more into the occult and Constantine was a great addition, especially since they actually gave him some closure with Astra (in season 5 I think). The Constantine show deserves a whole video in itself.
@@ninjanibba4259 I mean, once Ray left, it did get a bit eh. They even retconned how powerful the totems were. I think I stopped around season 7. Ray was my favourite btw.
One thing i love about your videos is that you look at both sides of the coin and just dont label it all bad or all good. Especially making fun of the silly things people say like "arrow was meant to be batman "argument 😂 people just want a character straight out of a comic and aren't exactly open to different interpretations
Even though they kinda dropped the ball in the last few seasons, (the Flash), they always intended to keep doing shows. The WB merger and the DCU are what destroyed everything.
It's kinda sad that from the vast repertory of Arrowverse shows, only Arrow & Superman and Lois had good series endings Since the rest had painfully mediocre endings or didn't even properly ended since they were cancelled
I never understood why people disliked Amell. If that interview clip is why, then I think people need to get off the internet, because he had every right to be upset
Bro what you talking about except for the relationship between prometheus and oliver S04 was really the final season of arrow for me, I couldn't handle that new team and mister terrific was horrible
a elseworld continuation from arrow would be amazing but the not with the og one but with a simular and showing some worldbreaking events like the the creaton of the metas (no Reverse flash traveling back, just og sicentist Barry with parents), a superman saves earth from ?, a Batman like a dark myth, ........ and later like a final seeing the creation of the justice league with every arrowverse hero actor as a cameo
Stephen Amell is right the Arrowverse did better for DC, than the DCEU ever did. It was to the point, were warner bros had to sabotage it. That thing they are doing with superman and Lois because of the movies, they've done it before with the Arrowverse's suicide Squad, they had plans with for season 3 and 4 of arrow involing the squad, Thea and Killerfrost were supposed to be part of it. Arrow's Deadshot was introduced since season 1, bro they plans but because the movie was coming up and WB pressured the production to kill them off.
I wish they'd bring most of the DCTV shows back for one more multiverse crossover because 1. Sam Lane's season 2 finale speech on Superman and Lois was the worst moment of the entire show. The dialogue was forced and felt less like a Superman and Lois moment and more like a Warner Bros moment. Because they needed a way to confirm that the show was NEVER part of the Arrowverse. Even if you hate the Arrowverse, leading the fans on with Diggle cameos and mentioning Oliver and the Crisis for two straight seasons, even in that same episode, was a dick move that disrespects the fans' intelligence. Which is exactly what Warner Bros does, especially with DC fans. And even at the time, I knew the retcon was gonna be pointless. Which proved me right because after the following season, it was announced to be cancelled after the next season! 2. Some DCTV shows didn't get a proper finale including Legends of Tomorrow, the 3rd official Arrowverse show, getting cancelled on a fucking cliffhanger, just so they wouldn't have to pay for the sets anymore. And 3. the last-ever official Arrowverse season was a bad final season of a once good show that cares more about simping for a badly written side character and less about giving the characters an exciting, definitive and respectful ending. At least THIS episode and the following episode were actually good. The Arrowverse-scratch that-MOST DCTV shows in general deserved better. And I can't think of a better way to give them an epic ending than by making another multiverse crossover! So many of those shows took place in their own separate universes and probably could've expanded but didn't. Either because of depressing circumstances or because the creators just didn't want to. And then there are DCTV shows, especially during the Arrowverse run, that avoided the connectivity of other shows to earn their popularity instead of relying on another show to do that for them. And/or avoiding muddying up the timeline. And that's great. But deep down, some fans just want to see their favorites interact even if they're not in the same universe. And they want to see it happen before it ends...and then most of these shows get cancelled before their time. What's the point of standing out when the network still treats you like shit? The way I see it, every character from every live action DC property (movie, show, audio series, etc) teams up to save the multiverse...AGAIN! I never read the comics, but I know COIE had sequels. Stephen Amell can be a part of the crossover because, as explained in one of the two good episodes of Flash season 9, Oliver can only interfere or "come back to life" if the multiverse is in danger! And they can include everybody from Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman, Reeves/Routh Superman (they're the same character and you can't convince me otherwise), David Mazouz's Batman from Gotham, Seg-El from the Krypton TV show who was supposed to show up for COIE but schedules got in the way. The Titans, Doom Patrol, Smallville Superman, Naomi because the actress wanted to crossover with the Flash and Superman. Jay Garrick because Eric Wallace being Eric Wallace, he didn't care to explain why Jay Garrick is on Earth Prime when Oliver made a rule as the Spectre that two doppelgangers can't coexist in the same universe (ie Beth from Batwoman). They could've just said Jay Garrick came from Earth 2 where Stargirl takes place but no! That's how he and the JSA from the show are part of the crossover. And I didn't watch Titans (or Doom Patrol or Gotham Knights or anything with Swamp Thing in the title) but I saw a clip that Beast Boy met Stargirl when he traveled the multiverse. That could work to bring the Titans in. And you what? As poorly received as Gotham Knights was, the actors deserve a piece of the pie. And then it ends with most of the shows retconned in the same universe: all of the Arrowverse, Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman, Titans, Doom Patrol, Krypton, Swamp Thing 2019, Stargirl, Naomi, Lucifer, Powerless and Superman and Lois! I read a theory once that The Dark Knight Trilogy was in the Arrowverse the whole time as an explanation for why Batman left Gotham. Honestly, they might as well make that canon since we're never getting a real answer anyway. I'd love it if it was just its' own thing as an Elseworlds miniseries with better writing, VFX and what have you. In the future, they can always come back to this universe for whatever project the same way the DCAU returns once in a while!
I'll tell you what happened. It got the fate it deserved as a bargain bin Potrayal of the greatest heroes in Comic book history while being Hammstrung by Producers and Studio executives who wouldn't let the showrunners have access to characters like Batman or removed characters that were already in the series like Deathstroke and made sure to push obnoxious romances like Iris West and Felicity at the cost of great Characters like Black Canary
@@ninjanibba4259 Yes it is, the other shows are already not aging well. The Flash has already become known for Barry being a complete moron in almost every episode since season 1, to the point it even became a drinking game for every time he stops to talk to the bad guy instead of taking them out or relocating them to prison immediately
@@ninjanibba4259 Ok, then let’s talk about the same writing formula they had for every CW DC show. The dialogue was mostly cartoonishly cheesy with a very rhythmic pace, there was always the villain of the week trope, the inconsistency with superpowers, characters relearning what they’ve learned in previous seasons, the drama between characters was always forced and superficial…that’s about all I can think of from the top of my head at the moment. But Superman & Lois seems to break all these tropes, it feels like proper cinema at times with Emmy worthy performances from the main characters while the dialogue managed to feel so real and relatable to the point it doesn’t even feel like a CW show
@@diegopansini3152 Superman & Lois definitely fell into these tropes, it’s just better at hiding it from the surface of everything looking good If you want to talk about a show not following formula? That’ll be Legends and Doom Patrol
I have a little biased towards the flash so i like it a little more than everyone else. I thought the first 3 seasons were peak, 4 was less good but still great, 5 wasnt very good but still enjoyable. Season 6s first half I really enjoyed with Ramsey and crisis but after that the show sucked a lot imo. I did find and enjoyable episodes once an a while like the wells farewell one and the one where they go back in time to show his moms death though.
Do we eventually want a part 2 ft. Flash and crossovers or should we let this die?
EDIT: Gyat dayum more people hate these shows than I realised lmao it don't matter tho 🥱
Part 2 please.
yes
Despite my long rant or argument I actually don't mind a part 2 especially if you're passionate about it. 😅
Please
@@andaelee nah do part 2, people that hate don't know what they're talking about
Arrowverse definitely deserves a lot more credit than it deserves. They were able to create a shared tv universe that was composed of multiple tv shows and probably most impressive they were able to take a bunch of B, C and D listers and turn them into houehold names and well known amongst comic book fans. I know has some CW cringe and that it focuses more on it's CW audience rather than it's comic book audience but even if you didn't like the delivery could just not acknowledge the achievement because that shouldn't diminished the success they were able to pull off
Damn I didn't know how deep the "Green Arrow brony" joke went from Peacemaker. Amell was actually done dirty
Once I learned it was a shot at stephen amell I felt bad for laughing about it he was just going to something his daughter had an interest in and he's getting clowned for it. I'd be pissed too.
Superman and Lois is the best superman media of this century, period.
I'd like to die on this hill and then wait to see how Gunn's Supes film turns out to be.
I’d love for a second video taking about CW Arrowverse. I loved it growing up and fell out of love with it. I’ve debated about rewatching some of the shows, but I have enough on my plate already lol
You and Troyboyo17 should do a collab, it would be great!
Legends Season 2 reverse flash was PEAK!
Flash season 9 was more peak
@@SilentAssassinnflash season 9…?
Of all the options you had…Flash season 9? Really?
@@v._.v6835 yes
@@v._.v6835 second would be season 7
@@SilentAssassinnpeak as in good not bad
Stephen Amell as Oliver Queen will always be one of my favorite DC characters. Even though the show didn’t do as great in the later seasons, Stephen’s performance carried it.
@@cadengericke5652 Specially in s8, the dude truly was compromise with the role
I feel like James Gunn should pay homage to the Arrowverse just like Deadpool and Wolverine did for the Fox movies
I mean deadpool and wolverine LITERALLY came from the fox xmen
James gunns things just came after the arrowverse
Why?
@@conradlorgar5508 True, but the fact that they are going to end the Arrowverse/Superman and Lois because of this new chapter of DC, it would be a pretty awesome farewell.
The Arrowverse didn’t deserve to survive this long. Look what they did to my boy Mr. Terrific 😤 They had some cool moments, the first seasons of Arrow and The Flash were goated and Vixen’s web series was kinda cool, but I tapped out after Legends of Tomorrow and Season 3 of The Flash.
What happened to the Arrowverse? It was created and did permanent lasting damage to the perception of Green Arrow by making him a Batman clone despite the character having evolved past that for decades and let's not talk about how they fumbled the iconic relationship between Green Arrow and Black Canary, then making Supergirl just a female Clark Kent and further damaging Wally West's reputation by giving his personality to Barry Allen. Then Superman and Lois came out and it was genuinely great and as far as I'm concerned nothing DC CW exists before Superman and Lois, other than Smallville.
Correct. The only thing that is good about it is the dumb fun
They made green arrow as batman because of course, they can't use batman
Agree with you but the CW verse is more of a success compared to its movie counter part
As far as i'm concerned, everything after Arrow season 2 did not happen
The CW wanted to make a Batman show but WB said no so they made a darker version of Oliver Queen
The Arrowverse will always be more successful than any dc shared universe
We will see with James Gun attempt at it. I like the arrowverse more than the DCEU, easily
That's not saying much 😂
DCAU: 💀
@@DatBoiGloomythe Arrowverse has its problems… but, yeah. It was better then the DCEU, despite what you think of the movies.
The DC Animated Universe is FAR better. You gotta watch Batman TAS, Superman TAS, and Justice League.
We could consider arrow as the absolute version of oliver
Definetely not accurate to the comic book, but a good character (usually)
@@Jingles6466 oh yea but could be
Is this reference to Troyoboyo17's video on Green Arrow
@@HerooftheWild yup 🤣🤣 man ain’t wrong though
First 2 seasons of Arrow and The Flash were so damn good 😔
As someone who has watched the Arrowverse TV shows and specials, here is basically how the average Arrowverse show went:
Season 1 - amazing
Season 2 - great
Season 3 - not so great (some really hate it)
Season 4 - honestly, not that bad (some people beg to differ)
Season 5 - I think we are losing the point here
Season 6 - how did we get here?
Season 7 - somebody please end this show
The finale - ranges from bad to pretty good.
Mind you, some of the shows, like Batwoman, were bad/received poorly from the start and got canceled early on.
But not soon enough.
@@mkno2799 lol
Dude I like your videos but I heavily disagree on the Green Arrow defense.
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Your Argument for CW Green Arrow having a different personality compared to his comic counterpart is kinda bad that I compare this argument to the fanboys defending Bayverse Optimus Prime turning into Violent Psychopath.
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Yes, Green Arrow's Origin was that he was Stranded on an Island and suffered surviving there both CW and comics.
The reason Green Arrow had a very Hyper or Dynamic personality is because he is using that as a barrier to treat obstacles and difficulties in life in a more light-hearted way so that it doesn't let it bother him.
The same way Optimus is worthy of the Matrix of Leadership is that despite being engrossed in this never ending war, Optimus never wavers or changes because his purpose is meant to represent how one should persevere and resist despite the turmoil they are in.
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Just because Green Arrow acts like wise-crack and like he doesn't acknowledge the seriousness or the dangers of his lifestyle it's because he does and he masks it with his identity the same way Batman does.
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I don't mind you liking this interpretation of Green Arrow but I disagree on your defense on justifying why him being stranded on an island should be a basis on why he definitely needs to be serious and gritty like the Batman.
Edit: I'm probably taking this part of his video way too seriously but I can't help it since that argument reminded me of Bayverse fanboys too much.
Since DC Fans think CW’s Green Arrow acts more like Batman, I personally think the Bayverse Optimus Prime acts more like Nemesis Prime then Optimus. Heck, when Optimus got brainwashed and was turned into Nemesis in the last Bayformers movie, I didn’t really care because characterwise, it wouldn’t change considering his personality & actions.
Also comics GA being created as a Batman ripoff doesn't really excuse show Arrow being one because it has like what 70 years of comics which developed him as a character beyond being just a Batman rip-off. I like this version but he's also not much of a great adaptation either
Batman in his first couple comics is completely fine with killing people and using guns but if you featured that in a movie or show, people would rightfully be pissed at the mis-characterization because Batman isn't just defined by his first couple appearances. Multiple decades of comics developed his character beyond his initial appearance and it's part of the character. And I don't see why this should be any different.
Honestly it's kinda worse for GA because this is kinda his one major adaptation. Like obviously he appears in some of the animated shows and Smallville, but when people think of GA this one is probably the only one coming to mind. Animation is unfortunately not seen by as many people as live action and Smallville is much older in comparison while this incarnation ended relatively recently. Batman in contrast has had many adaptations which means that some adaptations ignoring parts of his character can be half excused by "trying to be fresh" or "re-inventing the character" or something like that. Same for Black Canary and GA. If Arrow had had multiple iconic and famous (live-action) interpretations before then them doing Felicity instead of BC would've been a fine change IMO, because it's changing things up. Like it wouldn't be too bad if a new Batman adaptation had Bats end up with Talia or Vicky Vale instead of Catwoman.
we definitely need part 2
I agree with every take apart from the anti beebo propaganda, I still remember the legends dramatically fusing together ready to fight the big evil demon lord and then just huge beebo popping up like "beebo loves you :))", me and my dad absolutely died laughing, peak "this is insane and the writers were on so many drugs and I love it" moment
I can't believe Superman And Lois is came to it's final season... 😔
Edit: 10:39 I mean he could've had the kids when he was in his early 20's... But he wouldn't have met Lois yet.
Having an Australian who also pirated almost every single episode of the Arrowverse because WE COULDN'T WATCH IT hearing someone say it out loud and get frustrated by it too, I appreciate this
Ok, the real reason arrow verse failed is.........idfk never really watched any of it
Same
Same
Not same
It failed because it was UNNECESARY long, like, average Arrowverse show lenght was like 5 seasons with 23 EPISODE each with a run time of 40 minutes per episode
Writing
Lol I'm not gonna glaze it and this is coming from a Huge CW Flash and Legends of Tomorrow fan.
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The Arrowverse as time goes on becomes more and more of a Guilty Pleasure to me once you notice the flaws in the story, the writing, and the acting.
I mean I don't blame it since it's CW there's not much to expect but they're still flawed.
Doesn't stop me from loving them since I grew up watching them but they don't age very well when I look back on it without Rose Tinted Glasses
Feels like every clip of the arrowverse I've seen are just some characters standing in the middle of an empty street or field
It had everything a dc fan could want….. except good writing
Superman & Lois is my fav DCTV Show ❤
That shi is sad af😢
The arrowverse will be missed, the actual good dc connected universe
DCAU exists you know.
@@ibrahimihsan2090 and dcamu but I mainly mean in live action
What about DCAMU/Tomorrowverse?
@@ASH_EDITZ_OFFICIAL Yeah, then you're kinda right.
@@gamerzilla6113 we don't talk about the tommorowverse...
I always love seeing some positive Arrowverse discussion. Once S&L ends I'm gonna finally commit to making one of those long retrospective videos people have been doing lately lol, but for now even just a nice short simple appreciation video is a wonderful change of pace from the usual relentless negativity!
How James Gunna making fun of a dude for spending time with their daughter?
When they did Season 3 of Superman, the show runner said that Superman was separate from the other CW-verse / arrowverse shows.
Thats why noone mentioned Kara in Season 4 when Superman was killed. Supergirl, Flash, Arrow, Black Lightning, Legends are all in one universe, and Superman and Lois are now separate.
my mental illness is having stuck with the entirety of the arrowverse from beginning to end. Every show. Every episode. Every season. Every crossover. Never missed a week.
Season 5 was definitely the peak of Arrow. However I will say that I think Legends was my favorite comedy in on TV from Season 3 onward.
You know what's even crazier? The first 3 seasons of The Flash TV show were so good and showed that the character had so much potential... I wonder why Warner Bros. never decided to do a movie for the Flash... Oh well, guess we can only wonder at what might've been.
Arrowverse will always be remembered
part 2 should be exclusively The Flash, nothing more, maybe part 3 for the rest, but The Flash turned into such a mess that I think it deserves an entire video for itself
Say what you will about the Arrowverse but in the beginning everyone brought thier all and still had amazing corssovers and osts and productions and the chemistry of the characters were unmatched basically anything with the flash was peak. The Arrow made me get into archery and probably had the best story and fight choreography for those first 3 seasons. I remember Flash vs Arrow was like a tv event that people would talk about for weeks having the dark tone of arrow clash with the bright hearted Scarlett Speedster both learning more on heroism and sacrifices. I believe Legends of tmrw was really solid all the way through. It gave me firefly vibes. Supergirl was a bit ambitious for sure but it still was agreat adaptation of the character and those supergirl flash crossovers were everything. Even tho the writing took a downward spiral especially for the flash my gawd those last few seasons only had a few good apples, the OG actors are what carried the show. To this day Ive always had a fun time watching Grant and Tom just be the highlight of this universe along with Stephen and Melissa. It really did feel like these comic characters came to life.
Flash season 1 and 2 is some of the best dc live action to me. Its up there with the best.
I think Legends peaked after season 4. Season 3 had them taking on a time demon and ended in the funniest way possible and season 4 leaned more into the occult and Constantine was a great addition, especially since they actually gave him some closure with Astra (in season 5 I think).
The Constantine show deserves a whole video in itself.
Legends never peaked, you’d know if it had
@@ninjanibba4259 I mean, once Ray left, it did get a bit eh. They even retconned how powerful the totems were. I think I stopped around season 7. Ray was my favourite btw.
@@jutzo8869 I was there for the characters more than any totem, so I didn’t care, but I feel you on Ray tho
Man, Legends having Reverse Flash as the villain was the shit.
One thing i love about your videos is that you look at both sides of the coin and just dont label it all bad or all good. Especially making fun of the silly things people say like "arrow was meant to be batman "argument 😂 people just want a character straight out of a comic and aren't exactly open to different interpretations
Even though they kinda dropped the ball in the last few seasons, (the Flash), they always intended to keep doing shows. The WB merger and the DCU are what destroyed everything.
I just hope the new chapter of dc, does the Arrowverse justice!
Yuppp. Part 2???
I loved the flash show
I think the first three seasons of the Flash series was good. I kinda grew out of watching the Flash series after that.
Anytime I talk about anything bad about arrow it’s a cw problem not a arrow problem what I mean this problem is consistent with a lot of cw shows
Yeah bro we are desperate for a part 2 AND 3
It's kinda sad that from the vast repertory of Arrowverse shows, only Arrow & Superman and Lois had good series endings
Since the rest had painfully mediocre endings or didn't even properly ended since they were cancelled
Almost as mediocre as you. Hah.
I never understood why people disliked Amell. If that interview clip is why, then I think people need to get off the internet, because he had every right to be upset
Bro what you talking about except for the relationship between prometheus and oliver S04 was really the final season of arrow for me, I couldn't handle that new team and mister terrific was horrible
All good things must come to a end. I say "good things" very loosely here. Im talking to you Flash.
a elseworld continuation from arrow would be amazing
but the not with the og one but with a simular and showing some worldbreaking events like the the creaton of the metas (no Reverse flash traveling back, just og sicentist Barry with parents), a superman saves earth from ?, a Batman like a dark myth, ........
and later like a final seeing the creation of the justice league with every arrowverse hero actor as a cameo
Stephen Amell is right the Arrowverse did better for DC, than the DCEU ever did. It was to the point, were warner bros had to sabotage it. That thing they are doing with superman and Lois because of the movies, they've done it before with the Arrowverse's suicide Squad, they had plans with for season 3 and 4 of arrow involing the squad, Thea and Killerfrost were supposed to be part of it. Arrow's Deadshot was introduced since season 1, bro they plans but because the movie was coming up and WB pressured the production to kill them off.
HE WAS WEIRD HE WAS TRYNNA TOUCH ME
I wish they'd bring most of the DCTV shows back for one more multiverse crossover because 1. Sam Lane's season 2 finale speech on Superman and Lois was the worst moment of the entire show. The dialogue was forced and felt less like a Superman and Lois moment and more like a Warner Bros moment. Because they needed a way to confirm that the show was NEVER part of the Arrowverse. Even if you hate the Arrowverse, leading the fans on with Diggle cameos and mentioning Oliver and the Crisis for two straight seasons, even in that same episode, was a dick move that disrespects the fans' intelligence. Which is exactly what Warner Bros does, especially with DC fans.
And even at the time, I knew the retcon was gonna be pointless. Which proved me right because after the following season, it was announced to be cancelled after the next season!
2. Some DCTV shows didn't get a proper finale including Legends of Tomorrow, the 3rd official Arrowverse show, getting cancelled on a fucking cliffhanger, just so they wouldn't have to pay for the sets anymore.
And 3. the last-ever official Arrowverse season was a bad final season of a once good show that cares more about simping for a badly written side character and less about giving the characters an exciting, definitive and respectful ending. At least THIS episode and the following episode were actually good.
The Arrowverse-scratch that-MOST DCTV shows in general deserved better. And I can't think of a better way to give them an epic ending than by making another multiverse crossover!
So many of those shows took place in their own separate universes and probably could've expanded but didn't. Either because of depressing circumstances or because the creators just didn't want to.
And then there are DCTV shows, especially during the Arrowverse run, that avoided the connectivity of other shows to earn their popularity instead of relying on another show to do that for them. And/or avoiding muddying up the timeline.
And that's great. But deep down, some fans just want to see their favorites interact even if they're not in the same universe. And they want to see it happen before it ends...and then most of these shows get cancelled before their time. What's the point of standing out when the network still treats you like shit?
The way I see it, every character from every live action DC property (movie, show, audio series, etc) teams up to save the multiverse...AGAIN!
I never read the comics, but I know COIE had sequels.
Stephen Amell can be a part of the crossover because, as explained in one of the two good episodes of Flash season 9, Oliver can only interfere or "come back to life" if the multiverse is in danger!
And they can include everybody from Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman, Reeves/Routh Superman (they're the same character and you can't convince me otherwise), David Mazouz's Batman from Gotham, Seg-El from the Krypton TV show who was supposed to show up for COIE but schedules got in the way. The Titans, Doom Patrol, Smallville Superman, Naomi because the actress wanted to crossover with the Flash and Superman. Jay Garrick because Eric Wallace being Eric Wallace, he didn't care to explain why Jay Garrick is on Earth Prime when Oliver made a rule as the Spectre that two doppelgangers can't coexist in the same universe (ie Beth from Batwoman). They could've just said Jay Garrick came from Earth 2 where Stargirl takes place but no! That's how he and the JSA from the show are part of the crossover.
And I didn't watch Titans (or Doom Patrol or Gotham Knights or anything with Swamp Thing in the title) but I saw a clip that Beast Boy met Stargirl when he traveled the multiverse. That could work to bring the Titans in. And you what? As poorly received as Gotham Knights was, the actors deserve a piece of the pie.
And then it ends with most of the shows retconned in the same universe: all of the Arrowverse, Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman, Titans, Doom Patrol, Krypton, Swamp Thing 2019, Stargirl, Naomi, Lucifer, Powerless and Superman and Lois!
I read a theory once that The Dark Knight Trilogy was in the Arrowverse the whole time as an explanation for why Batman left Gotham. Honestly, they might as well make that canon since we're never getting a real answer anyway.
I'd love it if it was just its' own thing as an Elseworlds miniseries with better writing, VFX and what have you. In the future, they can always come back to this universe for whatever project the same way the DCAU returns once in a while!
PART 2 PLEASEEEE
do everything , flash and the crossovers
part 2 definitely
Imma need a part two
Wasn’t green arrow ALWAYS a Batman ripoff? Like, the green arrow comics were purely made to ride Batman’s hype.
He started as that but he became his own character
I loved the first 3 seasons of arrow and the first 2 seasons of flash but as i got older the shows felt more and more lame
0:02 I stopped watching Superman & Lois after Season 1, i tried to get into it, but i just couldn't. Is that supposed to be Doomsday?
Great video
I'll tell you what happened.
It got the fate it deserved as a bargain bin Potrayal of the greatest heroes in Comic book history while being Hammstrung by Producers and Studio executives who wouldn't let the showrunners have access to characters like Batman or removed characters that were already in the series like Deathstroke and made sure to push obnoxious romances like Iris West and Felicity at the cost of great Characters like Black Canary
Legends is the best of all of them
UNDER 30 MINS LEGOOOO😩😩😩😩
superman and lois is easily the best one
Superman & Lois is better than all the previous CW DC shows combined in terms of writing and cinematography
No it’s not
@@ninjanibba4259 Yes it is, the other shows are already not aging well. The Flash has already become known for Barry being a complete moron in almost every episode since season 1, to the point it even became a drinking game for every time he stops to talk to the bad guy instead of taking them out or relocating them to prison immediately
@@diegopansini3152 yeah I’m not even talking about Flash, you said other shows but only named one everyone bashes on anyway
@@ninjanibba4259 Ok, then let’s talk about the same writing formula they had for every CW DC show. The dialogue was mostly cartoonishly cheesy with a very rhythmic pace, there was always the villain of the week trope, the inconsistency with superpowers, characters relearning what they’ve learned in previous seasons, the drama between characters was always forced and superficial…that’s about all I can think of from the top of my head at the moment. But Superman & Lois seems to break all these tropes, it feels like proper cinema at times with Emmy worthy performances from the main characters while the dialogue managed to feel so real and relatable to the point it doesn’t even feel like a CW show
@@diegopansini3152 Superman & Lois definitely fell into these tropes, it’s just better at hiding it from the surface of everything looking good
If you want to talk about a show not following formula? That’ll be Legends and Doom Patrol
Part 2 please
I have a little biased towards the flash so i like it a little more than everyone else. I thought the first 3 seasons were peak, 4 was less good but still great, 5 wasnt very good but still enjoyable. Season 6s first half I really enjoyed with Ramsey and crisis but after that the show sucked a lot imo. I did find and enjoyable episodes once an a while like the wells farewell one and the one where they go back in time to show his moms death though.
I am here
Arrow was really good. Flash was good. Legends of tomorrow had its moments but everything else was a miss in my eyes.
i don't think that was meant to be a dig at arrow; i mean the arrowverse is separate from the dceu
The legends of tomorrow is the best imo
no wonder this video was a bit weird when i first saw it. the yellow subtitles are not here for some reason
can you please make a part 2
Do a part 2
Deathstroke was a green arrow villain before Batman
@@dannysoul0 he was a teen titans villain before both
I Love legends idc what anyone says
James Gunn's ego will be the downfall of the next 2 DCUs..he's so helplessly lacking self-awareness..
Hot take, but I never really liked Tyler Hocleyn’s Superman. He’s a meh Superman to me, but a worse Sephiroth.
6:29 Dude, I'd rather watch the snyder trilogy on repeat for a year, than rewatch any of these cw shows.
Do part 2
Dude look at SyFy Doomsday from the show Krypton
Hey
I heard james gunn was fan of green arrow? 🤔🏹
Smalllville mentioned🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅☄🏃♂🔴🔵
The flash season four was the last good thing about that series
It's " Constan tyne" not "teen" ffs
Nope nope you don't talk about the butchering Super had on Supergirl!? Superman and Lois is THE BEST CW show period.
Wow. Somebody who cares though. I thought it was done years ago. No joke.
prt 2
Adult swims New Advetures of Loasis lame stunting powerful ending of S&L🦸🏻♂️
Early
I liked the CW shows but CW killed thise shows after awhile. And Ollie isn't Bruce stop trying to make him that way.
arroverse? Barley know a verse
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It sucked and no-one watched it. That's what happened.
Szn better not be better than the 2025 movie😢🤬