Common arguments I'm seeing: - "Adum, you didn't pay attention! They have to use the Earth Pass or else Terry will hunt after them!" No. Terry is shown noticing the count is off just before the 15 minute mark in the film. This is well before anyone tried to use the pirate hippy portal. The count is off because Joe didn't go up the escalator to the Great Beyond (or whatever it's called), not because he used the pirate hippy portal instead of an Earth Pass. The Earth Pass is irrelevant to the Terry conflict and the characters aren't even aware of Terry when 22 steals Joe's body instead of just planning to return back through another portal. - "Adum, you didn't pay attention! 22 can't possibly return using the pirate hippy portal because she would need another living person's soul to connect them to a body in the first place!" It's true that she would need another living person to get back, but there are many souls shown previously in the film she could use (as well as an implied never-ending supply). The movie shows that the pirate hippy is constantly connecting souls back to their bodies. She can just jump in with any of them. She has an infinite amount of time to do this if she wants to try it in a way where she can jump into a nearby animal. Otherwise, she can just steal someone else's body again. She clearly has no moral issues with doing this since she's already running away with Joe's body by this point. The film shows at least 4 other characters performing rituals to connect lost souls to their bodies as well, so the pirate hippy isn't even necessary to do this. She also doesn't need a dead body to possess, hence the cat and Joe both being alive when their bodies were possessed.
Any of this matters lol, if so much people enjoy the movie and understood the metaphor and the message all of this mental gymnastic to “prove” that the movie is good but not great its just dumb. Who cares? Idk why i am subscribed anymore
I think 22 knew that the others would never let her just steal someone else's body, so being inside of Joe would be her last chance to be a human. Speaking of, she spent the entire day as a human, speaking to other humans and doing human things. She only wants to be a human, not an animal. Otherwise she wouldn't be able to speak to other people, and clearly that's something she comes to enjoy
1. If they go back that way, the count will be off again. That’s pretty self-explanatory. 2. Fine. Make your movie where everyone is Light Fucking Yagami and doesn’t do anything slightly irrational based on their emotional state Also....if you thought that hair looked good... I don’t know what to say.
I think the plot hole were the cat is a regular cat again after Joe's soul lefts its body is a continuity error because when Joe enters the cats body they do a cut away gag to the cat's soul on the stairs to the great beyond.
I actually read that they originally addressed this issue in a previous draft of the script, where they were going to show what was happening to the cat's soul while Joe was occupying its body. Essentially the cat has nine lives, and by extension nine souls, when Joe went in it pushed one of its souls out, and then when he left, one of the other cat souls took its place. Why the cat's soul was able to be pushed out so easily in the first place I don't know; I think this is just an example of not overexplaining things that ultimately don't impact the overall effect of the story. They chose not to explain it even though they could've, which leads me to believe that they felt it wasn't necessary, and honestly I didn't question it in the moment, I was just invested in Joe getting back to his body and getting his chance to play which is what the whole movie is leading to; his time in the cat was effective cute comedy relief but also necessary to have him look upon his life from a different perspective, and then the relief of having him return to his normal body finally. They explained the mechanics of it well enough to get to those important bits, but they didn't over explain all aspects of it that could've risked taking away from the main story, you just take for granted that all that stuff is happening in the background. I guess they could've gone the extra mile and made the cat another element so that it ties everything off, maybe even made us care about the cat or just used it as a funny side gag, but you only have so much time in a movie to tell a story and so at some point you have to focus in and not fill it up with too many plots.
@@BigSal51 wouldn't that imply that to possess a normal person would be to essentially kill them? cuz I kinda thought the cat died at first, allowing joe to possess it
when he first entered the cats body i thought it was a joke about like cats not having souls but then they showed the cat on the escalator and i was confused again lol
@Emperor Chinohito A “Family Movie” is any movie a family can enjoy, and due to the wide variety of families that can exist, for one family, Deadpool is a family movie, and for another finding Nemo is, so the term is completely meaningless and doesn’t constitute a genre
i was disappointed with the ending aswell, i was actually kinda glad they let him sacrifice himself for 22, but then they pulled an ‘ayyyyy don’t worry there’s no consequences’
Anything ending with being okay with dying might've been hard to do for a modern kid's movie. With more people aware of suicide, parents might complain (despite death being a concept that kids eventually have to understand). I do agree that it is a complete cop-out to do a movie about death just to back-peddle on the whole thing. And it definitely goes against the point of the sacrifice. I feel like they played it too safe but I guess I get why they would do so.
@@cinemacola6398 I think your missing the big picture when it comes to joe living. Joe dying in the end would have made his entire journey pointless. What's the point of learning to appreciate life if you never actually get to apply the things you learn. Joe learns a valuable lesson to appreciate life beyond jazz. This lesson would lose all meaning if he just dies anyway. Like you said soul is about life it's not about death. While death is an important part of life signaling the end, soul isnt about the end. It's about the beginning of life and the journey throughout it. Yes life does have consequences and the movie shows that with the great beyond and Joe's almost death. The thing is it also makes a point to show that joe is a special case since he was able to get 22 an earth pass. Just because joe could be lucky enough to get a second shot doesnt mean everybody will.
@@slitchey that's the thing though, Joe realized that he did live a good life, he was just so wrapped up in following his passion that he didn't no yet, and now that he's both lived a good life, accomplished his dream, and inspired someone else to live, he's finally ready to move on.
Soul would have been better if it focused more on Joe's character growth on Earth. Like he has a near death experience, tumbles into the Great Before for like 10 minutes and gets back in his body. He could go through a similar kind of growth and reflection without much changing in the plot. Soul should have been a PIXAR character study instead of a PIXAR buddy adventure.
@@louenatnine51 Also, and I dont know how other people in this comment section took this, it avoids having a white lady's voice come out of a black man. Cause I'll be honest I don't think I got used to that.
@@Advent3546 sure someone would've complained if it was the other way around but that doesn't mean you should complain in kind, just ignore ridiculous complaint like that since they're basically worthless
I thought he just wanted an edge up, which he could have done without being on a stack of records. But, although it was risky and just a plot point, I totally get wanting to have that clean line up lol
Joe cutting his hair wasn’t unnecessary. The drummer warned him to dress as smartly as possible to impress Dorothea, otherwise she wouldn’t consider accepting Joe back into the group. Since this gig is so important to him, it would make sense that he’d want to make sure his hair was as neat as possible too. If appearance means so much to Dorothea that she’d dismiss him for his old suit, why take the risk with his hair? A huge theme in the film is that some people become so obsessed with their dreams that they fail to see the bigger picture, so it makes sense that Joe panics and acts irrationally, because all he cares about at that moment is impressing Dorothea so he can play at the gig that could kickstart his career.
If the hair thing was so important why do it yourself? cutting your own hair isn't even done by actual hair stylists. And if he wanted to shave it all then just buy another shaving machine.
@@kachucho872 Dude, people cut their own hair all the time, especially if they’re just buzzing it short. He could go to a shop or a salon, but why do you think that would be any easier? There’s still someone else controlling his body, and there’s still a whole load of shit that could go wrong, this time with a ton of witnesses. It makes sense that he’d want to keep human contact to a minimum. Regardless, why are you expecting rational behaviour from a guy who is shown, more than once, absently-mindedly running into moving traffic because he’s excited from some good news? You think this guy is going to act calmly under pressure? He’s only just narrowly escaped death, now he’s switched bodies with a cat and has some abstract being operating his body. He has the gig of his life coming up that evening. It makes sense that he’d make a few illogical decisions under extreme pressure, especially since the movie portrays him as kinda impulsive and careless even before any of the crazy shit starts happening.
@@VerityT i don't know what kind of people you are sorrounded by, but no one ever shaves their head before a big event in their lives. Specially a 40 year old dude trying to impress someone he deeply respects. Also, the dude never takes his hat off, literally. Even his fucking soul has a hat,he even wore it at the beach scene and wears it again right before meeting with 22 again, he even wears it during Dorothea's audition so she wouldn't even think of the haircut much less her. He just needed a haircut for the saloon scene, nice scene, but forced af.
@@kachucho872 It’s definitely a plot contrivance but I don’t think it stretches credulity too far. Even the greatest Pixar films have numerous contrivances that don’t make much sense if you think about them for too long. It really doesn’t detract from their overall quality, as long as they follow the internal logic of the film and the script provides adequate justification it’s usually nbd. He hears that he has to ‘clean himself up’ and ‘look like million bucks’ (literal words from the script), panics, interprets it to mean his current haircut isn’t up to scratch, and tries to cut it himself because he wants everything to be perfect Also, I’m sure it’s not that uncommon for people to buzz their hair before a big event, esp if they’ve cut it themselves numerous times before Good point about the hat though, he went to all that effort and didn’t even show off the haircut. They should have shown him without the hat in that scene Edit: wait, I misread your comment. Does he wear the hat at the important gig? I can’t remember.
@@VerityT he wears the hat always. Even after his father dies,the hat is so important to him that even his soul displays it. He conveniently takes it off in his gig, but not when first introduced to Dorothea nor when the big emotional moment of the movie is present (when he realizes that his lifes sucks even after achieving his goal), i honestly tought he was hiding a bald spot before his accident with the hair. I really wanted to love this movie, the musical part of it was so beautiful, the rythms and details of jazz were my most favorite parts, you could actually feel the joy and passion Joe felt for music. But it's barely used and the whole body switching thing didn't work for me.
Also, did the cat go to heaven but by the end of the movie his soul got pulled right back into the living world? wouldn’t that mess up the “count” even more for Terry? lol
@Jimbo daBimbo i’m assuming when joe jumped off the escalator he essentially put himself into a coma when he should’ve died. and haven’t you ever heard of the phrase cats have 9 lives? i think they were making a joke of that haha and they can go to the souls world but 1. it’s only through either meditation or getting into the ‘zone’ which makes sense since a lot of people mediate to have a spiritual break. and 2. they are explicitly in the zone, they can never go to the jerry’s and new souls
The story was very safe and vanilla. Main character is super focused on something then something happens and he has time to reflect and then instantly changes his life for the better. Its been done before and I sat there and predicted everything that was gonna happen. It would have been better if he died as the cat and we got to see 22 start his life from there and see her growth and him forced to look back as he is on the conveyer belt with regret.
The only difference with the “earth pass” seems to be that you get your own body instead of kicking someone out of theirs, which seems pretty important idk
it’s extremely important. 22 wouldn’t do the hippie thing because that’s her STEALING someone else’s body. adum is mad that these characters have morals.
Wait, never mind. It is a plot hole. Because 22 could just go to Earth through the pass and Joe can just have the pirate open a portal and fly him back to his own body. No one gets kicked out.
@@Emanuel-uo7ew *clears throat* The African-American gentlemen’s haircut was a tad unkempt, so in an attempt to look a bit nicer for his debut with the band, he went to the barbershop for a fresher haircut and a shape-up. A shape-up is when a barber makes a person’s hairline neater.
@@ptptptman does being black make you so desperate for a haircut you would attempt to get a cat with a human mind to use a electric razor on it? I really am feeling the disconnect man Obviously I'm joking and I get it but it's still a bit of a dumb idea in the movie. Its a stupid plan we all knew wouldn't work out and he just ruined his cut by doing it. I'm just curious why didn't he go to the barber then?
I don’t think this should’ve been a children’s movie tbh, at least not a children’s movie made by current Pixar. To me this felt like a very deep film for adults that was unfortunately squeezed down into a formulaic children’s movie - undoubtedly because Pixar and Disney LOVE to rush the production of their animated films to the point where everything feels and looks half-assed on a second thought. I still genuinely liked this movie a lot, but I’d have loved to have seen this movie in the way the writer probably would’ve wanted it to be seen and not in the standard Pixar/Disney format that treats kids as legit stupid and uninterested in deeper topics. I am DEFINITELY looking out for more of Kemp Powers’ work; it was a wonderful concept.
"undoubtedly because Pixar and Disney LOVE to rush the production of their animated films". Except Soul had been in development since early 2016. If you're going to make claims that the movie was rushed, I suggest you do some research beforehand. Also, where are you getting the idea that Disney and Pixar rush production of their animated films? Toy Story 4 got delayed, Luca isn't coming out until June of 2021 and has been in development for years, etc. The list goes go on. Even "The Good Dinosaur (a movie that was mediocre), suffered not because of it being rushed, but because of massive delays, people being layed off and a new writing/director coming in, etc. Again; do some research before you spout stuff.
@@juanstrong3695 isn’t it bad that even though none of it was rushed it looked and felt rushed? I agree with the op this movie took too many shortcuts that made it seemed rushed and half assed. The only think that’s flawless is the animation
@@jenathent4840 how did it looked and felt rushed? I agree that it would be a better for it to be an adult film to explore more the themes. But you could say the same about EVERY OTHER KIDS MOVIE (inside out, coco, etc.) Themes not being as deeply explored as in adult media doesn’t make a kids movie rushed, even if you favorite TH-camr says it does.
Lion King 2 is going to be released, other few dozens of Disney remakes are going to be released, Disney is going to go bankrupt, China will buy all the Production Companies, and then Adum is going to finish his Lion King 2019 review.
I just imagine 22 being born in china and working her entire life on a sweatshop making nikes or ipods or something like that. this movie is funny just by the implications.
Tina Fey’s character holds this film back for me. It feels like Pixar is trying to push 22 as an fan fave character. But she was so irritating when she threw a hissy fit when the main character justifiably wanted his own body back. Legit this guy was gonna die because she liked eating pizza.
Honestly, I actually found 22’s story the most interesting part of this movie. The fact that she basically developed to enjoy more of the finer things and became her own person was actually something I can resonate with. But the whole thing about her not wanting to go back to the Great Before absolutely blew though, and it honestly made the rest of the movie harder to sit through.
I see people in the comments wondering why Joe's soul has a hat and glasses. His soul design is just visual shorthand to easily differentiate him from the others. That's like dwelling on the fact that the Simpson family has weird, unrealistic hair compared to everyone else in Springfield.
It's unconventional, but he's built up so many awesome scoring credits by now that I have to imagine he's one of the most sought after guys in this field.
I was really hoping that at the end when Jerry came to stop him from dying that he would be given a mentor role. It was odd how so many of the mentors were just celebrities but there are so many people out there with their own skills and inspiring attributes that it would have been cool if they asked him to stay on to give his perspective, especially since he's already an educator and successfully helped their toughest "pupil". Plus it's a nice exchange of things, like he has to deal with his sacrifice by not going back to his body but they're letting him live on as a mentor. Idk, just thoughts.
I actually thought he was going to die Joe Yabuki style at the piano and accept the Great Beyond since he already experienced the gig he so desperately yearned for.
I thought Joe was going to realize that mentoring and guiding lost souls was the his actual purpose in his life. One of the Jerry's specifically tells him that someone's passion is not their purpose in life, and Joe's success/sense of fulfillment from helping 22 has him realize that and he takes the permanent teacher gig in the end. Least that's where I thought the movie was going at the end.
I did want him to stay dead at the end. The movie made me emotional because I couldn’t stop thinking about my dad (and I greatly struggle with accepting death), so Joe accepting that he is okay with dying hit hard with me. And then he gets brought back to life and it’s like damn, guess all you gotta do to live forever is to fake a heroic death. I do really like the Jerry and Terry designs, they made the film a lot more enjoyable for me. I just love the way they move too.
If every new Pixar film is just going to be coloured blobs representing subjective things like emotions or the soul they’re going to get boring very quickly.
that's honestly why i'm glad a lot of the movie is spent with joe and 22 in the human world. i definitely wouldn't have liked it as much if it was all blue blobs
Watch the movie then, it certainly isn’t boring and if you’re complaining about the blobs then you DEFINITELY have not seen it. It’s just how Pete doctor writes.
I actually like this tone a lot more than his angry heightened tone. This is a lot more sympathetic to his constant never-ending nitpicking of a movie for kids, which obviously forfeits many logical things in order to serve a grander purpose and sentiment. He nitpicks most movies, but when it comes across like he is actually fed up rather than ripping something up, I dunno. I just like it a little more.
i honestly really wish this was like coco but with jazz. the body switch felt forced, and it got boring real fast. i wanted to see more of the dude’s (forgot his name) passion for music, i wanted to see him work towards his goals, and finally achieve them in the end. to be honest? i really would have loved to see this movie, but without all the soul shit. if this movie was about the main guy having to re-learn his piano skills after getting into an accident or something, and then meeting 22 on earth as a human and having her teach him to love the world around him or something. though perhaps that is a bit too cliché. hell, if the guy actually acknowledged that he died and came back and just how fucking scary that is, it’d be improved. but as it is, he’s too nonchalant about everything that’s going on. even with the soul stuff, it would be better without that ending. it just felt like a big cop-out. it’s an alright movie, but aside from pretty colours there’s not much going for it.
I feel like if the movie was about him working toward his goals of becoming a musician, then it would’ve strayed from its point. The writer imo was trying to say your life doesn’t start after xyz, it’s already here (i.e. “this is water, i want the OCEAN” scene with Dorothea). The body switch thing wasn’t necessary for the movie imo, but making this movie into another “the character finally feels alive only after achieving xyz” film would’ve completely mucked up the original goal.
i wasn't really getting it but when Joe Gardner started committing war crimes in Slovenia that was the moment i went "oh yeah, this is good", honestly didn't expect that plot at all
@@adriandurlej9266 Because 22 going to the barber in Joe's body was tough, which is why they were trying to avoid it in the first place and why they weren't happy about having to go there? You're trying to find a plot hole where there isn't one.
The blob designs annoy me. I don’t know why. Something about them reallly irritates me, namely in the smiles and the too-close eyes and the blandness of it.
Yeah Not to sound stupid but it feels like a cop out doing the whole “LOOK OUR MC IS A MINORITY” but almost the whole film he’s stripped of any visual signifiers of such And the design is so boring and generic considering the possibilities and freedom they had with the concept
@@beththegreen it's sort of princess and the frog again, like, it's great that the mc is black and we do need more of that!!!! But there are better ways than turning them into a non-human entity for almost the entire runtime of the movie, I think
Did he really need to die and come back to learn the meaning of life? When he finally got to Play the piano and became famous, he still felt empty inside because he finally achieved his dream and there is nothing else to do, the whole movie could have just been him getting ready for the gig throughout the day and gradually realizing how much she was missing out on along the way. He didn't need to have a near-death experience and get turned into a cat.
@@Marie-qv6on exactly why Princess and the Frog was so irritating. Like you have such good human character designs and then you make me watch these super uncute frogs for 90% of the movie. How did you make the frogs so uncute and uncanny
I really just wanted this movie to be Joe making his career in his music. It kinda lost me at the soul world and then it really lost me at the body switch. I did really enjoy the last fifteen minutes, even though I did not care one bit for 22’s character. I like the message with the movie, I just kinda wish it wasn’t Pixar making it.
Well, you chose the wrong movie to watch then. You can't expect Pixar to make a movie about a regular guy living a regular life without any fantastical element.
I think you missed an important element of the movie. When he went to perform, he realized it wasn’t everything he thought it would be. The fish wanting to find the ocean even though he’s in it was an analogy for Joe enjoying his life and music and being a teacher but still wanting to reach for more. He wanted the ocean but he was already in it. Exploring his music career would have been antithetical to his whole character and the point of the film. You don’t just want Joe exploring a music career, you want a completely different movie. And I don’t think a movie about Joe having a career in music would have been as poignant and interesting. I’m not sure how you went in expecting something different when all the trailers have hinted at his death.
I thought the musical aspect of the film was really nice, but this is an animated film and not a live action film. If you only keep the realism then just make the film live action. You're wishing that a completely different film was made not that the film was better. "I didn't care for it" doesn't mean that those plot points weren't important details for the plot. If don't care for it, you don't pay attention. If you don't pay attention then you lose details. And when you lose details you blame the film for plot holes. Pete and his team acknowledged that the body swap was a trope and I feel that they did just enough to make it feel original. Some people call the first few minutes of the body swap "cringe" while I thought it made sense. 22's never been to Earth and doesn't want to go to Earth therefore her (or "its" I guess?) reactions are totally reasonable. See we have to cross the line between real criticisms that directly address the film itself and criticisms such as "it was boring" which is very subjective. "I didn't care much for it" is fine but not a criticism, just an opinion.
This is why I love reviews because I don't disagree with any of Adam's points, I didn't care personally. Like the message, themes, dialogue, animation, and performances were so amazing to me. I really couldn't give less of a shit about plot conveniences, I just accepted it all because ya know who cares. But Adam cares and a lot of people here too and that's cool.
Nigga that dude's head looks like mango you can't judge a cartoon character's haircut when his proportions are so fucking exaggerated , lmao you just wrong
I think that the body swap thing introduced by the pirates is supposed to be “illegal”. a dead soul isn't allowed to go back to their body (or any other body) through the zone, you either die for real or become a mentor in the afterlife. That's why Terry said they were breaking the rules, and it also counts for 22 since she wasn't even born yet.
@@YouCantDeleteDenzelL But it did though? Just because the movie doesn’t outright spell out everything in flat instructional dialogue doesn’t mean it’s not established. The script is pretty smart and economical, even when the “rules” of how the soul stuff works isn’t that important.
Old pixar films: **character overcomes challenges and grows/changes as a person** New pixar films: Nah you don't have to grow or change or face actual consequences, you're special **deus ex machina that gives everyone a happy ending** THE END! Imagine if Nemo didn't actually overcome his disability but instead some God fish appeared and fixed it for him at the end so he could be normal. That's Pixar recently.
@@RevoltOfAges You're right. I guess for this film in particular it's just almost rendered irrelevant when they're giving him an out at the end anyway, which is the frustrating part.
I still refuse to watch Toy Story 4. Remember that You got a Friend in Me? nah, that was to 90's Woody never really cared about any of his shitty friends.
I think thats more people confusing their need for hubris than actually thinking Joe's arc is incomplete. Unlike that Nemo example, Joe's life isn't automatically fixed. Heck, that's the reason there's no epilogue. He rekinlded his love for life, killing him off is just admitting it was a waste of time.
The problem with this argument was that when they went through the hippie portal, they were hunted down by Terry. So yes they get to go back into living life but only for a short duration until they get caught
Exactly. The count will still be off, so they’ll just be brought right back again if he goes through the portal again. Whereas once the Jerrys decide to help him, the count is fixed and Terry won’t know that he’s back on Earth.
Adam is coming up with “plot holes” based on misunderstanding the rules of the universe they set up. There are plenty of conveniences, sure, but the only actual plothole is how the cat got it’s soul back from the great beyond.
I feel like he missed some really important bits - like being in the zone and being a lost soul are the same thing, and being aware that the soul world exists is what makes it possible to return, which is why the only people there were hippies
@@ddthejj Plus, you can only make a portal to the real world if the soul has a body to connect to. 22 doesn't have that, so she can't go back that way.
I feel like letting him die at the end would send the opposite message that they were going with. The idea was that you shouldn't just chase some arbitrary dream and let that be the goal of your life. He needs to enjoy other moments also. Having him just let himself die after his performance would be against that. He also couldn't just let 22 never have a life as that also goes against the 'life is worth living' message. I think this is one of the best films that Pixar have put out recently. I'd even put it above Inside Out.
The problem wasn’t that he didn’t die at the end, the problem was that they tried to do the noble sacrifice ending, but then came in with the pointless bait and switch and had him be fine, you can’t just have both endings, it tries to artificially create tension even though nothing was at stake. Basically, if they want a movie with a happy ending, just... do a movie with a happy ending, don’t bother with the pointless bait and switch
@@ausar4148 "It's pointless because I don't like it." Lol Everything has to be dark, or happy...but god forbid there's ever a bittersweet ending. 🤣🤣 This "nothing matters" and "pointless" that is not a very challenging ideal or perspective, especially on compartmentalized products, as movies all are.
@@watertommyz "Waa different opinions trigger me" lmao 😭 The ending wasn't "bittersweet" it was a total cop out going against everything the story was going for. Things not working out, not chasing arbitrary things and being too tunnel visioned are all themes this movie touched on but they literally just pulled a Wattpad "Fuck all" at the end and gave the story a typical "and everyone lived happily ever after" which is the least emotionally satisfying or mature way to sum up a story, not to mention it's lazy.
"Terry shows up and takes them back because they broke the rules." Dude that is literally why 22 cannot just go to Earth without the pass. And the thing about the zone and lost souls aren't that they left the body. They're intensely focused or have become obsessed. It's not the same as when Joe's soul leaves his own body at the end of the second act.
"why are you trying to do this in the first place? Your hair looked perfectly fine." N...no Adum, no it didn't. Sometimes when it comes to certain situations and occasions such as job interviews, family gatherings, or a teenager's first date, a fresh haircut, nice shave, and cleaner lineup gives you that extra boost of confidence. For Joe, the haircut (plus his father's suit freshly tailored by his mother) helped him overcome his emotional anxiety to do anything to impress Ms. Dorethea Williams. Did you notice how number 22 made this comment also? 22 didn't understand why Joe was so adement about his appearance until 22 engaged in a lively conversation full of mutual smiles and laughter noticed how the little things like visiting the barbershop had created a warm, friendly atmosphere and a sense of belonging. That's why the haircut conflict was so important!
Soul sequel idea: Terry somehow discovers Joe was given a second chance and she goes on a journey to find him and kill him for good Title: Soul 2: It’s Your Time to Go, Joe Gaadner Lessons for the kids: don’t cheat death. Or else Terry will find ya. And END ya
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@@GippyHappy light is bouncing into your eyes...maybe it doesn't sound right because though light touches (in a way) your inner eye, you don't feel it...
I literally just watched this for the first time an hour ago and thought “I wonder if Adam will review this since it’s by the same people who did inside out” Excited for this
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This is so very refreshing to see this movie criticized. Knowing good and bad parts is useful when choosing to see a movie and the negative perspective on Pixar movies is very valuable. Thank you
I think Adum is missing the part where, if you take the pirate hippy portal to Earth, you're literally stealing another persons body. Using the earth pass, you're given a body of your own.
I had to scroll way too far to find a comment like this. I like Adum and I respect his opinions a lot, but he keeps bringing this up in the review repeatedly going "why don't they just do that???!?!?!?!?!?!?" at every turn and it's so uncharacteristically stupid of him.
@@spenser9908 "but your eyes are touching photons" Adam sometimes likes to gloat about stuff he doesn't actually know that much about. Its a good thing he does more research between reviews now but still
@@spenser9908 Sight is photons hitting your rods and cones in your eyes, touching them and letting you see. Smell is particles of whatever you're smelling touching whatever it is that receives smell signals.
That's only true if you use the incomplete 5-senses that we teach kids. We actually have something like 20,and can't really see your sense of balance being touch.
Love how Adum went on a 4 minute rant about how "It doesn't make sense to not just return to the real world using the hippie portal" and then immediately explaining why it wouldnt make sense in 2 seconds by saying Terry would come after them. I just... don't get it.
The movie is about a lesson and it's fantasy/imagination. Since when do movies need to be full proof? It's literally about an abstract world beyond life.
He can't go back through using the portal or Jerry will go and find him again and take his soul, the earth pass is the only right way to get back to earth which is explained in the movie
I'm also pretty sure the reason why 22 can't go back using the portal in the zone is because she needs an earthly attachment to focus on - which she never had because she never technically existed. Only Souls that have lived can do it, essentially. Though the part where Joe leaves the Zone near the end of the movie doesn't make sense 😂
@@seymourwang1788 You DO see Jerry/Terry? hunting them, like that's all he does in the movie. The other Terry's/Jerry's don't seem to care that much, proven by the end of the movie, but that's more a "uncaring universe" thing
@@cicadafun that’s exactly why lol And the argument of “why can’t she just be a cat” doesn’t make any sense either because living a human life with its simple pleasures is what got 22 the pass A cats life is 100% different, and hell it’s implied that animals have a different soul thing going on anyway so she wouldn’t get that fulfillment from being a cat lol And as far as the hippie captain living conveniently close by, I can at least give the movie some credit for revealing that before they did the thing, because Jamie Foxx focused on his earthly attachment and that’s how he and pirate dude bonded There are issues with the movie but these aren’t criticisms, this is false nitpicking when the answers were right there lol Adam just sounded like he didn’t want to do this review which is cool, but this is “Kylo Ren is so weak in TFA he let an untrained girl and boy kick his ass” all over again
I really liked this movie but I can totally understand Adam's problems with it, every criticism he makes is totally valid and I laughed hard watching this because he just exposes those criticisms so we'll 😂😂 I do agree with the criticisms but They bother me way less than they bother him Anyway great video
I don't think the plot conveniences bother me because yes, it is a kids movie. And I don't think the ways points A and B are connected in the plot are any less overly convenient or stretched thin than any other kids films, in fact I think the plot is a lot more well put together than most kids films, and that includes Pixar's. The only plot convenience that I really took notice of was when he consciously went into the zone and was able to instantly just explore the whole soul realm again, they could've found a way to do that better. That aside, the plot is certainly far better structured than say, Inside Out. But I suppose you could argue that because Soul is going for more mature concepts and themes it should be critiqued more harshly in terms of structure and narrative, and honestly, that's fair. Regardless though, the narrative really didn't bother me and in fact kept me engaged the whole time. Then again I also think Ratitouille is really boring and Adum says it's his favorite Pixar movie so maybe our tastes are just different
Is it though? Half the criticisms are him just straight up ignoring the rules the movie set up. The way your soul leaving your body operates in tiers, the way the “hippie pirate” can only open portals by linking a soul to the body it belongs to, they _show_ this shit and Adum acts like he’s being smart for overlooking it.
The movie really lost me once they did the body swap "Freaky Friday" stuff. We've seen it so many times before, and like you said, it's when the rules started to break down.
This felt like that scene in I’m thinking of ending things where the girl starts going into full movie critic mode and dude just sadly blurts out: “I do see what you’re saying...I guess you’re right”
22 can’t just use the hippie’s portal because, as stated, she’d be in someone else’s body. That’s not fair. She needs the Earth pass to start her own life in her own body. While the method would be fine for Joe, this still leaves the count off, and we know Terry would absolutely never allow this. Before Jerry’s offer, Joe’s choices were either going to the Great After, or getting an Earth pass, in order to keep the count correct. He didn’t go to the zone during the big performance because his heart wasn’t in it. He thought this is what his life was building up to, but when it finally happened, it wasn’t special. Joe went to the zone when he was back home because he realized what was really important to him; the playing actually meant something this time.
Adam already says in the review that she's clearly not above stealing somebody else's body and he doesn't understand why its such a big problem all of a sudden. Oh right, plot
Soul is the first to make me feel like I might be too old or Disney/Pixar movies. The whole thing just feels like the most surface level philosophy for kids.
I do like the idea of having more philosophy-driven themes in animated movies, but yeah, I agree that this movie pushes the bare minimum of existentialism. It's a start, but it could be better.
That's how I feel as well about modern Pixar films. I still enjoy older Pixar films as an adult though and I don't think it's just from nostalgia. Incredibles and Ratatouille have some really great dialogue and themes. I wish Pixar films could still be like those.
In this review, you addressed a lot of plot holes in the movie. And while some of them are true, there are a few I personally believe are wrong. Alright, here we go. 1. 22 wanting to stay on Earth: You said that it doesn't make sense for 22 to stay on Earth, in Joe's body, since she can just enter any body she wants with the help of Moonwind and everything will be fine. However, I see it as something that does in fact make sense. The entire point of an Earth pass is to become an actually newborn child an live your own life. If you would continue to go into separate bodies for eternity, then you would not only be ruining the person's life, but everybody they know. As you can see with this movie, 22 can't act in Joe's life on her own for too long without just not acting like Joe. 22 just wants the Earth pass, and then she just goes back and lives a full, proper life on her own. Plus, Moonwind wouldn't be able to help for eternity, since Moonwind will die eventually himself. Do you really think it's more optimal to invade people's lives to live on Earth when you can just simple use the Earth pass and live a life that was made for you specifically? 2. Joe's hair doesn't need a haircut: Well, he doesn't need one, that's true. But there's plenty of people who want to look *perfect*, even though their hair might look fine, this is the gig of his life we're talking about (well, not really, but he hasn't realized that yet), of course he wants to make his hair perfect for this very special night. Edit: Something @inconsistency added in a reply to this, Joe's former student said he could have a chance if he'd "look like a million bucks", plus, it is apparently very common for African-American people to get a haircut before an important event. 3. Joe being able to control getting in the zone makes no sense: This part I don't really get. It's already been established that Moonwind and several others can perfectly control of getting into The Zone. Since Moonwind knows just about as much as Joe does in the end of the movie, we can assume that Moonwind has entered The Great (The Great is what I like to call what others just call the Soul Realm). Joe being able to enter The Zone freely now shouldn't be illogical if other characters already could before that. And the thing about Joe not entering The Zone while doing his gig, I don't have any proof for that, my only explanation is that Joe wasn't actually happy or in the moment during that time, and therefore didn't go into The Zone. 4. Joe doesn't need to "sacrifice" himself for 22 since he's technically in The Zone: This is true... Kind of. Yes, Joe doesn't need to do this, but I think the point of this scene is that he has accepted death. He's cheated death, which is why when Terry says "you cheated", Joe doesn't argue, even though just a few seconds before he was arguing with 22 about how this was unfair. The realization of that he was already living a good life before he got the gig made him be able to accept his death, and find piece. He didn't want to die before simply because he thought he was so close to being happy forever after, but when he realized he was already happy, he didn't feel like he was "close" to getting anything. And also, the statement "she can just go to Earth the same way she did before" can be argued against with what I said in paragraph 1. 5. Joe getting a second chance: Yeah, I agree, this scene is pretty weird. It was originally just supposed to be Joe dying, but I'm guessing that's where Disney came in and said that it was too dark or something, which is why it feels weird, because it wasn't even supposed to happen in the plot. Just so you know, I'm not saying YMS's review on this is 100% wrong and should be disregarded, it's an opinion. I'm not correcting his opinion, I'm correcting what I personally find to be incorrect facts. Everything that isn't the 5 points I corrected I can agree with (technically 4, since I mostly agree with what he says about Joe's second chance). I love the movie, YMS doesn't like it that much, and that's it. I don't correct opinions, I try to correct what I believe are incorrect facts. Thank you for reading this.
I totally agree with what you're saying. Also, just to maybe expand a bit on point 2: the reason why Joe wanted to get a haircut was because Dorothea Williams saw him walking around the city in a hospital gown all dirty and she got freaked out by his appearance. He got the call from his former student that he was going to be replaced for the performance but he could still try to win Dorothea Williams' approval again if he "looked like a million bucks". That would probably include shaving some of his hair which was turning a bit white due to his age. Also, I watched an interview on Disney+ with the guy who came up with the barber shop scene and he said that going to the barbershop is a cultural thing for African American people. According to him, it's important to go get a haircut before an important event. If you want to know more about it you can watch episode 1 in the show called "Inside Pixar" with Kemp Powers, it's really interesting and he explains it better than me!
I think your interpretation of the hair cutting scene is a big cultural blind spot. Going to the barbershop for a lining prior to something important is a rather big deal in the black community lol.
It's crazy how quickly I've gone from a Pixar stan to extremely non-plussed and indifferent about their new movies... when Adum said this was a spoiler review I just went "oh I was thinking about seeing it, but eh, who cares?".
@@Breezyz honestly, out of their first 15 films I've loved almost every single one and highly looked forward to their new releases. I don't know what happened, but that is just not the case anymore at all.
@@jdunnatl Zootopia is easily the best Disney movie since Bear Brothers. And Pixar has Coco and Inside Out. And Soul, which is also great, contrary of what this dude in the video says. It objectively didnt go downhill for Disney/Pixar. It‘s just you.
It's because Pixar went from interesting and fun concepts to Just Another Disney Puppet TM. Everything they've done since being bought from Disney has been more or less soulless, ironically enough.
My girlfriend and I started this movie on a whim and I was doing something else because I had zero expectations for this movie. The intro to the movie actually got me interested. When 22 showed up things got choppy because I felt the story was strong enough without introducing this character, but I was still on board. When he slips and falls into the cat, we paused the movie to order dinner. When we got back, neither of us wanted to hit play. That movie basically aborted itself right there for both of us. They took something really engaging that broke me out of my jaded cynicism and shackled that whole story arc with a metaphysical neet who is so apathetic they don't even want to be born. They MIGHT have been able to pull that story together in a satisfying manner, but I didn't want to slog through all the incoming, "lol, he's a cat now" awkward humor bits just to see if they did.
Pixar has mastered the art of making films that are good enough. I'll be genuinely surprised if I see a film of theirs that has any teeth on it any time soon
i'd say that past pixar movie's didn't have "teeth" either. i think Ratatouille had a pretty light theme and low steaks, but it's the best out of all of them.
No Adam, yelling about the protagonists skin colour and insisting, that he wouldn't have a soul because he's black is not a valid reason to give this movie a 6/10. Anyways, liked, subscribed and blocked.
I specifically remember seeing the teaser for this movie years ago, and I was actually intrigued by it. It seemed like maybe Pixar were making a mature, great movie for once in years. Then I saw the second half of it and realized "nope, this is gonna be kiddie nonsense for at least half of it". I was way more interested in the scenes of New York City and the humans playing instruments and the pretty lighting and colours and surreal musical imagery and Joe zoning out. I did not care about the soul stuff. Pixar is this incredible images studio, and then resorts to focusing half the movie on really lazy, simple blob characters.
"It seemed like maybe Pixar were making a mature, great movie for once in years." Pixar doesn't make "mature" movies; they make movies for all ages. Movies like Wall and Up and still literal kids movies that appeal to adults.
It's funny that you hoped for a "mature, great movie" but then go on to say that the "pretty lighting and colours" from the trailer were more interesting to you, and not "the soul stuff." Basically, you were interested in the shallow, surface-level details instead of a topic that has an almost unimaginable depth of potential... the human soul. This movie doesn't do much to explore any of that potential, of course. You'd love it.
8:58 the impression I got from the people that go in and out of the soul realm is that they are doing it through meditation, that's why after the main character learned how to meditate to go back to his body from the soul realm he did it again at the end when he was playing the piano while going into his "zone".
I think the portal they jump through when they have a earthpass, is symbolizing birth. But now that you mentioned it the thing about the portals makes no sense and feel really convinient
I did like the voice acting and the fact that they didn't give a clear ending. Will he go back to his teaching job or go on the road or...Also, Trent Reznor and Jean Batiste!
My younger sister was really excited about watching this movie because of the jazz music and such cause she's a saxophone player in her school's marching band, and she had a great time watching this. I thought the whole appreciation of life thing and purpose in life was really cool. My sister's passion is music, and she wants to be in a jazz band someday, too. She has a goal and she's on her way to it, but she isn't dedicating every single thing to her dream because she used to find time to go outside and hang out with friends before this pandemic. Since the pandemic, she's lost interest in the music she used to play. But then she was looking forward to seeing Soul when the trailers had started coming out, and seeing her face light up when the movie was playing made my day. We watched the movie together, and thinking about it now reminds me of the appreciating life sequence which is one of my favorite scenes in the film. It made me realize that someday, we may never be able to have such an experience or one that as great, but until then, I'll make the most of every moment with my sister and in life. :) also, why does joe look exactly like my algebra teacher????
Adum for 8:58 in the video they explain it in the movie. To enter the zone is getting lost in something you’re truly passionate for. During his performance he was too excited to goto the zone. Only after when he had time to reflect and feel the passion for his art could he enter the zone. {Idk if that made sense but that’s what it came across as to me. Hope this helps
I wasn’t overjoyed with this movie - the “sacrifice” and body switching being the primary reasons why - but I think Adam may have missed some important plot points and exposition judging by this review. A few of his criticisms were actually pretty clearly explained, or at least implied.
I had the same thought. He kept complaining that 22 didn't jump through the hippy portal to go to earth, but she didn't have a body so that wouldn't work unless she posessed someone again. And I thought you had to focus on your own body on earth in order to open the portal anyway. (Though why posession is so easily possible is beyond me).
@@whatif9854 No. I literally said in the review that she can easily go through with someone else. The pirate hippy is constantly attaching people to their souls, as shown in the film. She has infinite time to do this and has no moral issues with stealing other people's bodies. The film even shows other characters opening portals so the pirate hippy isn't the only option.
@@YMS while she could very easily do the jump into someone else’s body in the secondary realm, I think by that point in the film there’s a conscious rhetoric from Joe that the motivations 22 finds for living come from the fact that she’s in Joe’s body, which is why she is so anxious about letting it go. It’s not necessarily that this is the truth as provided later, but that the reason why she’s reluctant to leave the body comes from that sentiment for the first two acts in my opinion. When this rhetoric has changed, the character goes from only wanting joes body to realizing she can appreciate life on her own. That’s what I thought watching it. The film does little to acknowledge her selfishness in his body though.
You're right about Joe being able to get back with just the help of the pirate hippie. But 22 needs the regular portal prolly to be born as a newborn baby. Pretty good review otherwise.
They should've said: "Hey, I know you went back with the pirate hippie dude, but we don't like when you do that. It's against the balance of the souls or something. Don't do it again, please"
You know what's weird? All dogs go to heaven came out in 1989 and that movie ended with the main character accepting his fate and going to heaven, that movie is slightly worse than soul because of its odd pacing and tonal issues, but at least it had the balls to kill off its main character, unlike this movie where he just gets his second chance!
Common arguments I'm seeing:
- "Adum, you didn't pay attention! They have to use the Earth Pass or else Terry will hunt after them!"
No. Terry is shown noticing the count is off just before the 15 minute mark in the film. This is well before anyone tried to use the pirate hippy portal. The count is off because Joe didn't go up the escalator to the Great Beyond (or whatever it's called), not because he used the pirate hippy portal instead of an Earth Pass. The Earth Pass is irrelevant to the Terry conflict and the characters aren't even aware of Terry when 22 steals Joe's body instead of just planning to return back through another portal.
- "Adum, you didn't pay attention! 22 can't possibly return using the pirate hippy portal because she would need another living person's soul to connect them to a body in the first place!"
It's true that she would need another living person to get back, but there are many souls shown previously in the film she could use (as well as an implied never-ending supply). The movie shows that the pirate hippy is constantly connecting souls back to their bodies. She can just jump in with any of them. She has an infinite amount of time to do this if she wants to try it in a way where she can jump into a nearby animal. Otherwise, she can just steal someone else's body again. She clearly has no moral issues with doing this since she's already running away with Joe's body by this point. The film shows at least 4 other characters performing rituals to connect lost souls to their bodies as well, so the pirate hippy isn't even necessary to do this. She also doesn't need a dead body to possess, hence the cat and Joe both being alive when their bodies were possessed.
Any of this matters lol, if so much people enjoy the movie and understood the metaphor and the message all of this mental gymnastic to “prove” that the movie is good but not great its just dumb. Who cares? Idk why i am subscribed anymore
I think 22 knew that the others would never let her just steal someone else's body, so being inside of Joe would be her last chance to be a human. Speaking of, she spent the entire day as a human, speaking to other humans and doing human things. She only wants to be a human, not an animal. Otherwise she wouldn't be able to speak to other people, and clearly that's something she comes to enjoy
Sneed.
1. If they go back that way, the count will be off again. That’s pretty self-explanatory.
2. Fine. Make your movie where everyone is Light Fucking Yagami and doesn’t do anything slightly irrational based on their emotional state
Also....if you thought that hair looked good... I don’t know what to say.
Your soul sucks basically
I appreciate Adum talking about a movie called "Soul" while speaking as though he's completely dead inside.
Some would say it's pretty...... soulless.
Doesn't he always talk like that?
@@JeanMarceaux Yeah. But that was pretty funny
I mean he did give Spiderman into the Spiderverse a 6/10. Seems pretty soulless to me lol 😉
@@mcfry13 no, with all the fanservice and pandering, you would say it was Into the Spiderverse
I think the plot hole were the cat is a regular cat again after Joe's soul lefts its body is a continuity error because when Joe enters the cats body they do a cut away gag to the cat's soul on the stairs to the great beyond.
I guess that was suppose to be a reference to cats having nine lives.
yeah honestly I was expecting the cat to just be flat out dead when joe got his body back lmao
I actually read that they originally addressed this issue in a previous draft of the script, where they were going to show what was happening to the cat's soul while Joe was occupying its body. Essentially the cat has nine lives, and by extension nine souls, when Joe went in it pushed one of its souls out, and then when he left, one of the other cat souls took its place. Why the cat's soul was able to be pushed out so easily in the first place I don't know; I think this is just an example of not overexplaining things that ultimately don't impact the overall effect of the story. They chose not to explain it even though they could've, which leads me to believe that they felt it wasn't necessary, and honestly I didn't question it in the moment, I was just invested in Joe getting back to his body and getting his chance to play which is what the whole movie is leading to; his time in the cat was effective cute comedy relief but also necessary to have him look upon his life from a different perspective, and then the relief of having him return to his normal body finally. They explained the mechanics of it well enough to get to those important bits, but they didn't over explain all aspects of it that could've risked taking away from the main story, you just take for granted that all that stuff is happening in the background. I guess they could've gone the extra mile and made the cat another element so that it ties everything off, maybe even made us care about the cat or just used it as a funny side gag, but you only have so much time in a movie to tell a story and so at some point you have to focus in and not fill it up with too many plots.
@@BigSal51 wouldn't that imply that to possess a normal person would be to essentially kill them?
cuz I kinda thought the cat died at first, allowing joe to possess it
when he first entered the cats body i thought it was a joke about like cats not having souls but then they showed the cat on the escalator and i was confused again lol
He obviously had to get rid of that yee-yee ass haircut. I didn't think the movie had to explain that
Don't hate him cuz he's beautiful
Maybe tanisha would call his dog ass back
@@ramiroisram instead of fucking with that lawyer or brain surgeon she messing with
*N I G G A*
@@doctorvladandhisbluejaysd2802 WHAT
"Schrodinger's kids movies" is the perfect description of Pixar films holy shit
Especially modern Pixar films.
Wow literally read this as he said it lmao
I do praise the sun, bro
@Emperor Chinohito A “Family Movie” is any movie a family can enjoy, and due to the wide variety of families that can exist, for one family, Deadpool is a family movie, and for another finding Nemo is, so the term is completely meaningless and doesn’t constitute a genre
@@Sussylizzy92 Salo or 120 days of sodom is a family movie
i was disappointed with the ending aswell, i was actually kinda glad they let him sacrifice himself for 22, but then they pulled an ‘ayyyyy don’t worry there’s no consequences’
More like they rewarded him for his sacrifice. What's wrong with that?
Anything ending with being okay with dying might've been hard to do for a modern kid's movie. With more people aware of suicide, parents might complain (despite death being a concept that kids eventually have to understand). I do agree that it is a complete cop-out to do a movie about death just to back-peddle on the whole thing. And it definitely goes against the point of the sacrifice. I feel like they played it too safe but I guess I get why they would do so.
@@cinemacola6398 I think your missing the big picture when it comes to joe living. Joe dying in the end would have made his entire journey pointless. What's the point of learning to appreciate life if you never actually get to apply the things you learn. Joe learns a valuable lesson to appreciate life beyond jazz. This lesson would lose all meaning if he just dies anyway. Like you said soul is about life it's not about death. While death is an important part of life signaling the end, soul isnt about the end. It's about the beginning of life and the journey throughout it. Yes life does have consequences and the movie shows that with the great beyond and Joe's almost death. The thing is it also makes a point to show that joe is a special case since he was able to get 22 an earth pass. Just because joe could be lucky enough to get a second shot doesnt mean everybody will.
@@cinemacola6398 agreed
@@slitchey that's the thing though, Joe realized that he did live a good life, he was just so wrapped up in following his passion that he didn't no yet, and now that he's both lived a good life, accomplished his dream, and inspired someone else to live, he's finally ready to move on.
Soul would have been better if it focused more on Joe's character growth on Earth. Like he has a near death experience, tumbles into the Great Before for like 10 minutes and gets back in his body. He could go through a similar kind of growth and reflection without much changing in the plot.
Soul should have been a PIXAR character study instead of a PIXAR buddy adventure.
Exactly, I hated the body-swapping mechanism in this movie. I would’ve appreciated seeing Joe develop in Joe’s body lol
@@louenatnine51 Also, and I dont know how other people in this comment section took this, it avoids having a white lady's voice come out of a black man. Cause I'll be honest I don't think I got used to that.
@@Advent3546 huh? I don't think that's a problem
@@Advent3546 sure someone would've complained if it was the other way around but that doesn't mean you should complain in kind, just ignore ridiculous complaint like that since they're basically worthless
just like Brave again
I kinda wished this film wasn't a kids movie. I felt like that really held back the script XD
And I feel like that "XD" held back your comment.
(Not trying to be a dick. I'm just messing with you.)
@@oystersoup3434 I was thinking the same thing lmao it felt like it came outta no where XD
@@goldster100 Why's that? XD
@@goldster100 My god are you that upset you used to use it in middle school?
@@Wintd1 He's insecure lmao
You can tell in Adum's voice that the lion king review is breaking him
His voice is pretty much always like that.
Chad profile picture, what a great album
@@benjammin007 Ah, you beat me to it. It’s a perfect album
@@gelitrippingkiddo5907 (What album is the profile pic from? I'm always looking for new music!)
@@xXxAngelicKratosxXx The Glow pt. 2 by The Microphones’
07:04 my mans was tryna get that fade
To be fair to Adam, having long hair doesn’t mean you care about your neck and sides. Adam doesn’t know about the power of fade.
@@InsightfulUndercurrents That's true. Long hair is a cheat lol. I can say that, I got a huge head of hair
Kneecaps! Didn't expect to see you here my dude but i'm glad i did
I thought he just wanted an edge up, which he could have done without being on a stack of records. But, although it was risky and just a plot point, I totally get wanting to have that clean line up lol
@@Dinjur ?????????
Joe cutting his hair wasn’t unnecessary. The drummer warned him to dress as smartly as possible to impress Dorothea, otherwise she wouldn’t consider accepting Joe back into the group. Since this gig is so important to him, it would make sense that he’d want to make sure his hair was as neat as possible too. If appearance means so much to Dorothea that she’d dismiss him for his old suit, why take the risk with his hair?
A huge theme in the film is that some people become so obsessed with their dreams that they fail to see the bigger picture, so it makes sense that Joe panics and acts irrationally, because all he cares about at that moment is impressing Dorothea so he can play at the gig that could kickstart his career.
If the hair thing was so important why do it yourself? cutting your own hair isn't even done by actual hair stylists.
And if he wanted to shave it all then just buy another shaving machine.
@@kachucho872 Dude, people cut their own hair all the time, especially if they’re just buzzing it short.
He could go to a shop or a salon, but why do you think that would be any easier? There’s still someone else controlling his body, and there’s still a whole load of shit that could go wrong, this time with a ton of witnesses. It makes sense that he’d want to keep human contact to a minimum.
Regardless, why are you expecting rational behaviour from a guy who is shown, more than once, absently-mindedly running into moving traffic because he’s excited from some good news? You think this guy is going to act calmly under pressure? He’s only just narrowly escaped death, now he’s switched bodies with a cat and has some abstract being operating his body. He has the gig of his life coming up that evening. It makes sense that he’d make a few illogical decisions under extreme pressure, especially since the movie portrays him as kinda impulsive and careless even before any of the crazy shit starts happening.
@@VerityT i don't know what kind of people you are sorrounded by, but no one ever shaves their head before a big event in their lives. Specially a 40 year old dude trying to impress someone he deeply respects.
Also, the dude never takes his hat off, literally. Even his fucking soul has a hat,he even wore it at the beach scene and wears it again right before meeting with 22 again, he even wears it during Dorothea's audition so she wouldn't even think of the haircut much less her. He just needed a haircut for the saloon scene, nice scene, but forced af.
@@kachucho872
It’s definitely a plot contrivance but I don’t think it stretches credulity too far. Even the greatest Pixar films have numerous contrivances that don’t make much sense if you think about them for too long. It really doesn’t detract from their overall quality, as long as they follow the internal logic of the film and the script provides adequate justification it’s usually nbd. He hears that he has to ‘clean himself up’ and ‘look like million bucks’ (literal words from the script), panics, interprets it to mean his current haircut isn’t up to scratch, and tries to cut it himself because he wants everything to be perfect
Also, I’m sure it’s not that uncommon for people to buzz their hair before a big event, esp if they’ve cut it themselves numerous times before
Good point about the hat though, he went to all that effort and didn’t even show off the haircut. They should have shown him without the hat in that scene
Edit: wait, I misread your comment. Does he wear the hat at the important gig? I can’t remember.
@@VerityT he wears the hat always. Even after his father dies,the hat is so important to him that even his soul displays it. He conveniently takes it off in his gig, but not when first introduced to Dorothea nor when the big emotional moment of the movie is present (when he realizes that his lifes sucks even after achieving his goal), i honestly tought he was hiding a bald spot before his accident with the hair.
I really wanted to love this movie, the musical part of it was so beautiful, the rythms and details of jazz were my most favorite parts, you could actually feel the joy and passion Joe felt for music. But it's barely used and the whole body switching thing didn't work for me.
The one scene after he gets placed in the cats body and they cut to the cat on the death escalator fucking killed me.
that was definitely a major highlight
I was happy when the cat was actually alive in the end.
That was great. I honestly just assumed because cats have 9 lives, the cat just had another one when it came back. 😂
Also, did the cat go to heaven but by the end of the movie his soul got pulled right back into the living world? wouldn’t that mess up the “count” even more for Terry? lol
@Jimbo daBimbo i’m assuming when joe jumped off the escalator he essentially put himself into a coma when he should’ve died. and haven’t you ever heard of the phrase cats have 9 lives? i think they were making a joke of that haha and they can go to the souls world but 1. it’s only through either meditation or getting into the ‘zone’ which makes sense since a lot of people mediate to have a spiritual break. and 2. they are explicitly in the zone, they can never go to the jerry’s and new souls
I get the impression that the creators really wanted to do something profound but were forced to be formulaic.
My exact thought. It’s too ambitious for Pixar.
No, I think they were following a formula for how to make something seem profound
noodle
The story was very safe and vanilla. Main character is super focused on something then something happens and he has time to reflect and then instantly changes his life for the better. Its been done before and I sat there and predicted everything that was gonna happen. It would have been better if he died as the cat and we got to see 22 start his life from there and see her growth and him forced to look back as he is on the conveyer belt with regret.
What if souls had souls 🤔
The only difference with the “earth pass” seems to be that you get your own body instead of kicking someone out of theirs, which seems pretty important idk
Also: the count would go up by 1, instead of being incorrect.
it’s extremely important. 22 wouldn’t do the hippie thing because that’s her STEALING someone else’s body. adum is mad that these characters have morals.
That’s a very good point, actually.
Wait, never mind. It is a plot hole. Because 22 could just go to Earth through the pass and Joe can just have the pirate open a portal and fly him back to his own body. No one gets kicked out.
@@raulruizdevelasco6215 but then the count would be off, and terry would find him and kill him
“Your hair looked perfectly fine.”
Man sometimes there’s a cultural disconnect with reviewers I guess because bro definitely needed a cut to look nice
@@Emanuel-uo7ew *clears throat*
The African-American gentlemen’s haircut was a tad unkempt, so in an attempt to look a bit nicer for his debut with the band, he went to the barbershop for a fresher haircut and a shape-up.
A shape-up is when a barber makes a person’s hairline neater.
I feel like his current situation may have warranted him skipping it.
It didn't matter in the end anyways.
@@cameronroy2129 smh, y’all don’t appreciate a fresh cut
@@Emanuel-uo7ew oh
Some black culture stuff doesn’t translate to non-black reviewers sometimes
@@ptptptman does being black make you so desperate for a haircut you would attempt to get a cat with a human mind to use a electric razor on it?
I really am feeling the disconnect man
Obviously I'm joking and I get it but it's still a bit of a dumb idea in the movie. Its a stupid plan we all knew wouldn't work out and he just ruined his cut by doing it.
I'm just curious why didn't he go to the barber then?
I don’t think this should’ve been a children’s movie tbh, at least not a children’s movie made by current Pixar. To me this felt like a very deep film for adults that was unfortunately squeezed down into a formulaic children’s movie - undoubtedly because Pixar and Disney LOVE to rush the production of their animated films to the point where everything feels and looks half-assed on a second thought.
I still genuinely liked this movie a lot, but I’d have loved to have seen this movie in the way the writer probably would’ve wanted it to be seen and not in the standard Pixar/Disney format that treats kids as legit stupid and uninterested in deeper topics. I am DEFINITELY looking out for more of Kemp Powers’ work; it was a wonderful concept.
"undoubtedly because Pixar and Disney LOVE to rush the production of their animated films".
Except Soul had been in development since early 2016. If you're going to make claims that the movie was rushed, I suggest you do some research beforehand. Also, where are you getting the idea that Disney and Pixar rush production of their animated films? Toy Story 4 got delayed, Luca isn't coming out until June of 2021 and has been in development for years, etc. The list goes go on. Even "The Good Dinosaur (a movie that was mediocre), suffered not because of it being rushed, but because of massive delays, people being layed off and a new writing/director coming in, etc. Again; do some research before you spout stuff.
@@juanstrong3695 isn’t it bad that even though none of it was rushed it looked and felt rushed? I agree with the op this movie took too many shortcuts that made it seemed rushed and half assed. The only think that’s flawless is the animation
@@jenathent4840 It didn't look and feel rushed to me.
@@juanstrong3695 i also agree with that
@@jenathent4840 how did it looked and felt rushed?
I agree that it would be a better for it to be an adult film to explore more the themes. But you could say the same about EVERY OTHER KIDS MOVIE (inside out, coco, etc.)
Themes not being as deeply explored as in adult media doesn’t make a kids movie rushed, even if you favorite TH-camr says it does.
The Lion King (2019) really is taking a toll on Adum.
Yeah, all through this review he sounds soooo depressed and suicidal
im glad im not the only one that noticed, he sounds like he did in 2010 or something for the last few vids
The dangers of being a furry
OP: Harmless Lion King take.
People in the comments: OMG ADUM IS GONNA DO A BACKFLIP OFF A BRIDGE INTO TRAFFIC.
Lion King 2 is going to be released, other few dozens of Disney remakes are going to be released, Disney is going to go bankrupt, China will buy all the Production Companies, and then Adum is going to finish his Lion King 2019 review.
"Get the pirate-hippie to open another portal!" isn't really a phrase that should crop up anywhere but in a D&D game
“Review”, not “Quickie”
Oh no
Oh yes
oh god oh man oh god oh man!
The movie really wasn't that bad, Adum just had a lot of thoughts about it.
I honestly really enjoyed the film myself.
this video is lower effort than the quickies. what the fuck adam i'm a huge fan and now i'm disappointed for real
I just imagine 22 being born in china and working her entire life on a sweatshop making nikes or ipods or something like that. this movie is funny just by the implications.
That won't happen because she becomes famous for being a talking baby
KEKW
Tina Fey’s character holds this film back for me. It feels like Pixar is trying to push 22 as an fan fave character. But she was so irritating when she threw a hissy fit when the main character justifiably wanted his own body back. Legit this guy was gonna die because she liked eating pizza.
film needs to be about joe on earth..22 is useless...who cares about her?...they really messed this up
Honestly, I actually found 22’s story the most interesting part of this movie. The fact that she basically developed to enjoy more of the finer things and became her own person was actually something I can resonate with. But the whole thing about her not wanting to go back to the Great Before absolutely blew though, and it honestly made the rest of the movie harder to sit through.
I fully believer her character could have been saved and the movie improved if 22 was voiced by an actual child.
I see people in the comments wondering why Joe's soul has a hat and glasses. His soul design is just visual shorthand to easily differentiate him from the others. That's like dwelling on the fact that the Simpson family has weird, unrealistic hair compared to everyone else in Springfield.
It's like creative license doesn't exist anymore. 🤣
They explain in the movie that you can chose your appearance as a soul
Trent Reznor is a truly interesting choice for Pixar.
I want a David Fincher directed animated kids film.
Honestly, yea. It’s a bit bizarre, but really good.
@@gamemaster2311 didn’t he direct an animated short for that Netflix thing love death and robots?
It's unconventional, but he's built up so many awesome scoring credits by now that I have to imagine he's one of the most sought after guys in this field.
He and Atticus Ross are the last people I expect making a score for a Pixar film, but they did a spectacular job.
I was really hoping that at the end when Jerry came to stop him from dying that he would be given a mentor role. It was odd how so many of the mentors were just celebrities but there are so many people out there with their own skills and inspiring attributes that it would have been cool if they asked him to stay on to give his perspective, especially since he's already an educator and successfully helped their toughest "pupil". Plus it's a nice exchange of things, like he has to deal with his sacrifice by not going back to his body but they're letting him live on as a mentor. Idk, just thoughts.
Its established in the movie that the mentors are sent to the beyond after finishing. And Joe was finished mentoring.
I actually thought he was going to die Joe Yabuki style at the piano and accept the Great Beyond since he already experienced the gig he so desperately yearned for.
I thought Joe was going to realize that mentoring and guiding lost souls was the his actual purpose in his life. One of the Jerry's specifically tells him that someone's passion is not their purpose in life, and Joe's success/sense of fulfillment from helping 22 has him realize that and he takes the permanent teacher gig in the end. Least that's where I thought the movie was going at the end.
@@Negajoe I also thought it was going to be some variation of this, I feel like it was very heavily implied that he would
there’s a chance that he could become a mentor after he dies (like, for real dies)
I hate it when Adam makes me think critically about things
I did want him to stay dead at the end.
The movie made me emotional because I couldn’t stop thinking about my dad (and I greatly struggle with accepting death), so Joe accepting that he is okay with dying hit hard with me.
And then he gets brought back to life and it’s like damn, guess all you gotta do to live forever is to fake a heroic death.
I do really like the Jerry and Terry designs, they made the film a lot more enjoyable for me. I just love the way they move too.
“But it’s good for your soul!”
“Oh please, I have no soul”
*flames come up*
Dammit I was gonna make a hell joke
@@indicimbecile6992 it’s a spongebob reference.
If every new Pixar film is just going to be coloured blobs representing subjective things like emotions or the soul they’re going to get boring very quickly.
Yea
The second, this is the second movie that does that. And the first one, Inside Out, was made by the same director as Soul
that's honestly why i'm glad a lot of the movie is spent with joe and 22 in the human world. i definitely wouldn't have liked it as much if it was all blue blobs
Watch the movie then, it certainly isn’t boring and if you’re complaining about the blobs then you DEFINITELY have not seen it. It’s just how Pete doctor writes.
If they keep doing it, it may become another gimmick, yeah.
So far, it's worked out for them.
YMS's bored attitude unironically makes this video funnier.
Very plinkett reviews
I actually like this tone a lot more than his angry heightened tone. This is a lot more sympathetic to his constant never-ending nitpicking of a movie for kids, which obviously forfeits many logical things in order to serve a grander purpose and sentiment. He nitpicks most movies, but when it comes across like he is actually fed up rather than ripping something up, I dunno. I just like it a little more.
i honestly really wish this was like coco but with jazz. the body switch felt forced, and it got boring real fast. i wanted to see more of the dude’s (forgot his name) passion for music, i wanted to see him work towards his goals, and finally achieve them in the end. to be honest? i really would have loved to see this movie, but without all the soul shit. if this movie was about the main guy having to re-learn his piano skills after getting into an accident or something, and then meeting 22 on earth as a human and having her teach him to love the world around him or something. though perhaps that is a bit too cliché. hell, if the guy actually acknowledged that he died and came back and just how fucking scary that is, it’d be improved. but as it is, he’s too nonchalant about everything that’s going on. even with the soul stuff, it would be better without that ending. it just felt like a big cop-out. it’s an alright movie, but aside from pretty colours there’s not much going for it.
I feel like if the movie was about him working toward his goals of becoming a musician, then it would’ve strayed from its point. The writer imo was trying to say your life doesn’t start after xyz, it’s already here (i.e. “this is water, i want the OCEAN” scene with Dorothea). The body switch thing wasn’t necessary for the movie imo, but making this movie into another “the character finally feels alive only after achieving xyz” film would’ve completely mucked up the original goal.
You can definitely tell Adam is getting tired from The Lion King review
His voice is always like that though
i wasn't really getting it but when Joe Gardner started committing war crimes in Slovenia that was the moment i went "oh yeah, this is good", honestly didn't expect that plot at all
I really liked the part where he locked 15 bosnian children in the village church and set fire to it
don't forget the excellent choreography of his Islamic ritual, really set the mood for the scene perfectly
I didn’t expect the drive by shooting by a Chuck-E-Cheese.
Joe needing to set off a dirty nuke in exchange for his estranged daughter's life was amazing
I really loved the scene where Gardner kept complaining to his son's kindergarten how "happyness" isn't how the word is spelled.
He had the biggest gig of his life that night. He needed a fresh haircut.
So why not go to the barber anyway instead of that dumb scene?
Yeah... Adum wouldn't understand that, lol
@@adriandurlej9266 Because 22 going to the barber in Joe's body was tough, which is why they were trying to avoid it in the first place and why they weren't happy about having to go there? You're trying to find a plot hole where there isn't one.
@@adriandurlej9266 Did you even watch the movie
@@Boobalopbop Period lmao
The blob designs annoy me. I don’t know why. Something about them reallly irritates me, namely in the smiles and the too-close eyes and the blandness of it.
Yeah
Not to sound stupid but it feels like a cop out doing the whole “LOOK OUR MC IS A MINORITY” but almost the whole film he’s stripped of any visual signifiers of such
And the design is so boring and generic considering the possibilities and freedom they had with the concept
@@beththegreen it's sort of princess and the frog again, like, it's great that the mc is black and we do need more of that!!!! But there are better ways than turning them into a non-human entity for almost the entire runtime of the movie, I think
yeah it seems really bland to me. really low effort and almost like a copy/paste design choice from inside out except ethereal-y and more blue.
They look like illumination characters.
Exactly.
The human designs aren't that great either - the backgrounders look like extras from the PJs.
I honestly wish there had been more of his human life. I wish there was no ghost stuff at all.
Before the Industrial Revolution the vast majority of people died from easily treatable illnesses and lack of food.
Did he really need to die and come back to learn the meaning of life? When he finally got to Play the piano and became famous, he still felt empty inside because he finally achieved his dream and there is nothing else to do, the whole movie could have just been him getting ready for the gig throughout the day and gradually realizing how much she was missing out on along the way. He didn't need to have a near-death experience and get turned into a cat.
@@Marie-qv6on exactly why Princess and the Frog was so irritating. Like you have such good human character designs and then you make me watch these super uncute frogs for 90% of the movie. How did you make the frogs so uncute and uncanny
The animation is beautiful though you can’t lie
Animation was always beautiful in these movies, shame the story usually doesn't hold up recently. At least visuals look nice to look at.
It is, but then again, every Pixar/Disney movie has good animation.
Great animation can only go so far
Especially the lighting. The two recent animated movies that used lightning super efficiently was Klaus and this one
It's okay I guess
I really just wanted this movie to be Joe making his career in his music. It kinda lost me at the soul world and then it really lost me at the body switch. I did really enjoy the last fifteen minutes, even though I did not care one bit for 22’s character. I like the message with the movie, I just kinda wish it wasn’t Pixar making it.
yeah, i agree, i felt that they did really great interpretation of New York that i wanted to just have a movie where the main plot happened there.
Well, you chose the wrong movie to watch then. You can't expect Pixar to make a movie about a regular guy living a regular life without any fantastical element.
Me and my Roommate made it halfway through, then decided to rewatch Whiplash.
I think you missed an important element of the movie. When he went to perform, he realized it wasn’t everything he thought it would be. The fish wanting to find the ocean even though he’s in it was an analogy for Joe enjoying his life and music and being a teacher but still wanting to reach for more. He wanted the ocean but he was already in it. Exploring his music career would have been antithetical to his whole character and the point of the film. You don’t just want Joe exploring a music career, you want a completely different movie. And I don’t think a movie about Joe having a career in music would have been as poignant and interesting. I’m not sure how you went in expecting something different when all the trailers have hinted at his death.
I thought the musical aspect of the film was really nice, but this is an animated film and not a live action film. If you only keep the realism then just make the film live action. You're wishing that a completely different film was made not that the film was better.
"I didn't care for it" doesn't mean that those plot points weren't important details for the plot. If don't care for it, you don't pay attention. If you don't pay attention then you lose details. And when you lose details you blame the film for plot holes.
Pete and his team acknowledged that the body swap was a trope and I feel that they did just enough to make it feel original. Some people call the first few minutes of the body swap "cringe" while I thought it made sense. 22's never been to Earth and doesn't want to go to Earth therefore her (or "its" I guess?) reactions are totally reasonable.
See we have to cross the line between real criticisms that directly address the film itself and criticisms such as "it was boring" which is very subjective.
"I didn't care much for it" is fine but not a criticism, just an opinion.
The last time I was this early, The Lion King 2019 review was coming out this month.
:(
Was gonna coming out indeed
I we're remembered when that is a thing
Literally coming 2021.
You mean September! XD
This is why I love reviews because I don't disagree with any of Adam's points, I didn't care personally. Like the message, themes, dialogue, animation, and performances were so amazing to me. I really couldn't give less of a shit about plot conveniences, I just accepted it all because ya know who cares. But Adam cares and a lot of people here too and that's cool.
This is the perfect take.
Fantastic attitude!
But you see, Joe needed to go to that barbershop after Lamar critcized his yee-yee-ass haircut
Honestly I was the whole soul thing wasn’t a part of the movie. I wish it was just about him as a musician and music teacher
Exactly the concept is great but they failed 22 part is unnecessary
DUDE YES
why would it be animated tho
@@papaidoceuteamamuito5975 why shouldn't it be animated?
@@invadercat3505 cause theres nothing animation would add if a just a normal everyday guy song normal stuff
7:01 "Why were you trying to do this? Your hair looked perfectly fine. "
Me, a black man: nah fam😂
Yet another flawed criticism of the film... but I don’t blame him for not understanding this one 😂
@@MM-jc7uv Me neither. It just goes to show how cultural relativity can affect one's perception of things.
@@whodatboi2567 yup
Nigga that dude's head looks like mango you can't judge a cartoon character's haircut when his proportions are so fucking exaggerated , lmao you just wrong
This the post i was looking for.
Didn't think this was coming out.
Me neither lol
There's a lot of things you don't think.
I honestly just didn't care when it came out
So glad we both consider Ratatouille to be our favorite Pixar movie! lol
I think that the body swap thing introduced by the pirates is supposed to be “illegal”. a dead soul isn't allowed to go back to their body (or any other body) through the zone, you either die for real or become a mentor in the afterlife. That's why Terry said they were breaking the rules, and it also counts for 22 since she wasn't even born yet.
Yeah, just a shame the movie couldn't be bothered to actually establish that 🙃
@@YouCantDeleteDenzelL
But it did though? Just because the movie doesn’t outright spell out everything in flat instructional dialogue doesn’t mean it’s not established. The script is pretty smart and economical, even when the “rules” of how the soul stuff works isn’t that important.
@@YouCantDeleteDenzelL It shouldn't have to explain the logistics of every little thing. Some things can easily be inferred.
Old pixar films: **character overcomes challenges and grows/changes as a person**
New pixar films: Nah you don't have to grow or change or face actual consequences, you're special **deus ex machina that gives everyone a happy ending** THE END!
Imagine if Nemo didn't actually overcome his disability but instead some God fish appeared and fixed it for him at the end so he could be normal. That's Pixar recently.
Except Joe DOES grow as a character, which is the best part of this movie. Adam explicitly acknowledges that. I think you missed the point.
@@RevoltOfAges You're right. I guess for this film in particular it's just almost rendered irrelevant when they're giving him an out at the end anyway, which is the frustrating part.
Dare he is
I still refuse to watch Toy Story 4. Remember that You got a Friend in Me? nah, that was to 90's Woody never really cared about any of his shitty friends.
I think thats more people confusing their need for hubris than actually thinking Joe's arc is incomplete.
Unlike that Nemo example, Joe's life isn't automatically fixed. Heck, that's the reason there's no epilogue. He rekinlded his love for life, killing him off is just admitting it was a waste of time.
Early Viewers: So Adam, how did you like Soul?
Adam: GET THE PIRATE HIPPIE TO OPEN ANOTHER PORTAL!
The problem with this argument was that when they went through the hippie portal, they were hunted down by Terry. So yes they get to go back into living life but only for a short duration until they get caught
Exactly. The count will still be off, so they’ll just be brought right back again if he goes through the portal again. Whereas once the Jerrys decide to help him, the count is fixed and Terry won’t know that he’s back on Earth.
@@alexshawn3685 22 could still use the portal freely, no one noticed she was gone. Terry was only after Joe.
@@JOHNY0 22 doesn’t want to steal someone else’s body, though. she wants her own life.
Yeah I don't see how there is a plot hole here. Terry would have gone after them again anyway
Would you watch "Nobody Dies Ever"?
Oh that exists already, it's called Star Wars.
No one's ever really gone.
Isn't that basically the premise of 17776 (aka "What Football Will Look Like in the Future")?
www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football
In Dragonball nobody really dies. They just summon some dragon to resurrect someone whenever they want.
Mcu
Anti-synecdoche
Adam is coming up with “plot holes” based on misunderstanding the rules of the universe they set up. There are plenty of conveniences, sure, but the only actual plothole is how the cat got it’s soul back from the great beyond.
Nine lives 🤷🏼♀️
I feel like he missed some really important bits - like being in the zone and being a lost soul are the same thing, and being aware that the soul world exists is what makes it possible to return, which is why the only people there were hippies
The cat getting its soul back isn't a plot hole. It's a nitpick. It doesn't affect the plot at all.
@@ddthejj Plus, you can only make a portal to the real world if the soul has a body to connect to. 22 doesn't have that, so she can't go back that way.
@@midgetwars1 I mean it's a plot hole just a small one.
I feel like letting him die at the end would send the opposite message that they were going with. The idea was that you shouldn't just chase some arbitrary dream and let that be the goal of your life. He needs to enjoy other moments also. Having him just let himself die after his performance would be against that. He also couldn't just let 22 never have a life as that also goes against the 'life is worth living' message.
I think this is one of the best films that Pixar have put out recently. I'd even put it above Inside Out.
For some reason, the entire review just made me really dumb at this point.
The problem wasn’t that he didn’t die at the end, the problem was that they tried to do the noble sacrifice ending, but then came in with the pointless bait and switch and had him be fine, you can’t just have both endings, it tries to artificially create tension even though nothing was at stake. Basically, if they want a movie with a happy ending, just... do a movie with a happy ending, don’t bother with the pointless bait and switch
@@ausar4148 "It's pointless because I don't like it."
Lol
Everything has to be dark, or happy...but god forbid there's ever a bittersweet ending. 🤣🤣
This "nothing matters" and "pointless" that is not a very challenging ideal or perspective, especially on compartmentalized products, as movies all are.
I'd agree that Inside Out and Soul are similar in quality, in so much as they're both embarrassing and soulless.
@@watertommyz "Waa different opinions trigger me" lmao 😭
The ending wasn't "bittersweet" it was a total cop out going against everything the story was going for.
Things not working out, not chasing arbitrary things and being too tunnel visioned are all themes this movie touched on but they literally just pulled a Wattpad "Fuck all" at the end and gave the story a typical "and everyone lived happily ever after" which is the least emotionally satisfying or mature way to sum up a story, not to mention it's lazy.
“Nobody dies ever”. --except mothers (and sometimes fathers).
and "The bad people"
And apparently the cat
do not joke about this
"Terry shows up and takes them back because they broke the rules."
Dude that is literally why 22 cannot just go to Earth without the pass.
And the thing about the zone and lost souls aren't that they left the body. They're intensely focused or have become obsessed. It's not the same as when Joe's soul leaves his own body at the end of the second act.
No but.... but that's not explained though
Already know wolf walkers lost the Oscar to this. One day pixar's reign will fall
2018 Pixar lost to Sony when Spiderverse won
@@zakbrandsinc Fine. One day Cartoon Saloon will claim its rightful place
Unpopular opinion. Cartoon Saloon mostly look good but their stories are underwhelming.
@@zakbrandsinc Yeah, but no one was voting for The Incredibles 2 then.
@@Rychlewicz true. secret of kells and wolf walkers are the best ones they got RN.
"why are you trying to do this in the first place? Your hair looked perfectly fine."
N...no Adum, no it didn't. Sometimes when it comes to certain situations and occasions such as job interviews, family gatherings, or a teenager's first date, a fresh haircut, nice shave, and cleaner lineup gives you that extra boost of confidence.
For Joe, the haircut (plus his father's suit freshly tailored by his mother) helped him overcome his emotional anxiety to do anything to impress Ms. Dorethea Williams.
Did you notice how number 22 made this comment also? 22 didn't understand why Joe was so adement about his appearance until 22 engaged in a lively conversation full of mutual smiles and laughter noticed how the little things like visiting the barbershop had created a warm, friendly atmosphere and a sense of belonging. That's why the haircut conflict was so important!
Imagine judging someone's whole life over a haircut
If everyone had the same opinions on hair, we would all have the same haircut. Adam though his hair looked fine and you didn't, and that's okay
Soul sequel idea: Terry somehow discovers Joe was given a second chance and she goes on a journey to find him and kill him for good
Title: Soul 2: It’s Your Time to Go, Joe Gaadner
Lessons for the kids: don’t cheat death. Or else Terry will find ya. And END ya
Wait, so he turns into a cat? So this is basically Nine Lives without the rapist?
Took me too long for what you said to register then suddenly ‘oh yeah Kevin spacey’
Not really.
Twitter cancels have a lifetime and if we mentioned everyone by the bad thing they did we'd all be talking in sentences like this. "Hey you remember the pedo movie that was directed by the SJW and produced by the creepy foot fetishist? The one that starred the racist supremacist and the singing pedo and the fake victim." See? It doesn't work like that. You can mention their shit when you talk about them individually but when you're mentioning a movie why do you have to call Kevin Spacey a rapist out of nowhere?
Anyone reading this with zero context: 😳
@@ziadahmedsamy because that's all Kevin's legacy needs to be.
"Every single one of your senses is just touch if you really think about it"
Holy shit
And when you smell a fart you are basically eating it
Do I touch things with my eyes..? I guess light is touching but idk it seems wrong to me
@@GippyHappy light is bouncing into your eyes...maybe it doesn't sound right because though light touches (in a way) your inner eye, you don't feel it...
I literally just watched this for the first time an hour ago and thought “I wonder if Adam will review this since it’s by the same people who did inside out”
Excited for this
I was a boy. They were two girls. Can I make it any more obvious? I am the ULTlMATE L0VER on this platform. Don't enter my ch*nnel if you are not above a certain age, dear cho
This is so very refreshing to see this movie criticized. Knowing good and bad parts is useful when choosing to see a movie and the negative perspective on Pixar movies is very valuable.
Thank you
I think Adum is missing the part where, if you take the pirate hippy portal to Earth, you're literally stealing another persons body. Using the earth pass, you're given a body of your own.
wonder woman 84 vibes
I had to scroll way too far to find a comment like this. I like Adum and I respect his opinions a lot, but he keeps bringing this up in the review repeatedly going "why don't they just do that???!?!?!?!?!?!?" at every turn and it's so uncharacteristically stupid of him.
When I die I'm hitting up the pirate hippy first thing.
BETTER IDEA I'll become the pirate hippy!
“Every single one of your senses is just touch if you think about it” LMAO 😂
@@spenser9908 "but your eyes are touching photons"
Adam sometimes likes to gloat about stuff he doesn't actually know that much about. Its a good thing he does more research between reviews now but still
@@spenser9908 Sight is photons hitting your rods and cones in your eyes, touching them and letting you see. Smell is particles of whatever you're smelling touching whatever it is that receives smell signals.
That's only true if you use the incomplete 5-senses that we teach kids. We actually have something like 20,and can't really see your sense of balance being touch.
Love how Adum went on a 4 minute rant about how "It doesn't make sense to not just return to the real world using the hippie portal" and then immediately explaining why it wouldnt make sense in 2 seconds by saying Terry would come after them. I just... don't get it.
It makes no sense, Adams right on the money
The movie is about a lesson and it's fantasy/imagination. Since when do movies need to be full proof? It's literally about an abstract world beyond life.
Haven’t even started it. He’s gonna acknowledge the technical aspects and spend 12 minutes nitpicking the logic of the world. He’ll give it a 6/10
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Facts
Bruh moment
honestly 6 is such a safe bet it isnt even shocking anymore
He nitpicks way too much. If I wanted that kind of criticism I'd just watch CinemaSins (and then kill myself)
Finally! A review that is not a minute long. I like YMS’s 10 minute reviews a lot more than his quickies.
He can't go back through using the portal or Jerry will go and find him again and take his soul, the earth pass is the only right way to get back to earth which is explained in the movie
No shut up it's convoluted and it wasn't explained!!!! He definitely didn't just not pay attention it's the movie's fault!!!!!
I'm also pretty sure the reason why 22 can't go back using the portal in the zone is because she needs an earthly attachment to focus on - which she never had because she never technically existed. Only Souls that have lived can do it, essentially. Though the part where Joe leaves the Zone near the end of the movie doesn't make sense 😂
@@seymourwang1788 There were multiple scenes of Jerry hunting for Joe in the living world?
@@seymourwang1788 You DO see Jerry/Terry? hunting them, like that's all he does in the movie. The other Terry's/Jerry's don't seem to care that much, proven by the end of the movie, but that's more a "uncaring universe" thing
@@cicadafun that’s exactly why lol
And the argument of “why can’t she just be a cat” doesn’t make any sense either because living a human life with its simple pleasures is what got 22 the pass
A cats life is 100% different, and hell it’s implied that animals have a different soul thing going on anyway so she wouldn’t get that fulfillment from being a cat lol
And as far as the hippie captain living conveniently close by, I can at least give the movie some credit for revealing that before they did the thing, because Jamie Foxx focused on his earthly attachment and that’s how he and pirate dude bonded
There are issues with the movie but these aren’t criticisms, this is false nitpicking when the answers were right there lol Adam just sounded like he didn’t want to do this review which is cool, but this is “Kylo Ren is so weak in TFA he let an untrained girl and boy kick his ass” all over again
“He’s basically a fucking god now.”
Lol
I really liked this movie but I can totally understand Adam's problems with it, every criticism he makes is totally valid and I laughed hard watching this because he just exposes those criticisms so we'll 😂😂
I do agree with the criticisms but They bother me way less than they bother him
Anyway great video
I feel the same way, well said.
I don't think the plot conveniences bother me because yes, it is a kids movie. And I don't think the ways points A and B are connected in the plot are any less overly convenient or stretched thin than any other kids films, in fact I think the plot is a lot more well put together than most kids films, and that includes Pixar's. The only plot convenience that I really took notice of was when he consciously went into the zone and was able to instantly just explore the whole soul realm again, they could've found a way to do that better. That aside, the plot is certainly far better structured than say, Inside Out.
But I suppose you could argue that because Soul is going for more mature concepts and themes it should be critiqued more harshly in terms of structure and narrative, and honestly, that's fair. Regardless though, the narrative really didn't bother me and in fact kept me engaged the whole time.
Then again I also think Ratitouille is really boring and Adum says it's his favorite Pixar movie so maybe our tastes are just different
Is it though? Half the criticisms are him just straight up ignoring the rules the movie set up. The way your soul leaving your body operates in tiers, the way the “hippie pirate” can only open portals by linking a soul to the body it belongs to, they _show_ this shit and Adum acts like he’s being smart for overlooking it.
I agree , maybe that makes me stupid to ignore this stuff but I honestly enjoyed the film 😳
@@APinchofBazel Yes, thats why 22 could enter the teachers body and the teacher could enter the cat, cuz thats were they belo....no, wait...
Not gonna lie dark part of me thought Joe died playing piano to trade his earth pass to 22. A noble sacrifice. Also 22 went into Commie China, rip.
Ironic that a Movie made by two soulless companies is called "Soul"
Only the business parts of the companies I would call soulless, compared the animators and writers who give more care to the product itself!
Ah yes all the animator, artists, editors, etc. are all just soulless zombies 🤦♂️🦧
The movie really lost me once they did the body swap "Freaky Friday" stuff. We've seen it so many times before, and like you said, it's when the rules started to break down.
This felt like that scene in I’m thinking of ending things where the girl starts going into full movie critic mode and dude just sadly blurts out: “I do see what you’re saying...I guess you’re right”
Too late, I already formed my opinion.
How dare you?
How was joes body magically able to communicate with a cat after 22 entered his body?
NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE EXPLAINED IN MOVIES.
@@jayisgreg1787 Tell that to the guy who wrote this movie.
22 can’t just use the hippie’s portal because, as stated, she’d be in someone else’s body. That’s not fair. She needs the Earth pass to start her own life in her own body. While the method would be fine for Joe, this still leaves the count off, and we know Terry would absolutely never allow this. Before Jerry’s offer, Joe’s choices were either going to the Great After, or getting an Earth pass, in order to keep the count correct.
He didn’t go to the zone during the big performance because his heart wasn’t in it. He thought this is what his life was building up to, but when it finally happened, it wasn’t special. Joe went to the zone when he was back home because he realized what was really important to him; the playing actually meant something this time.
Adam already says in the review that she's clearly not above stealing somebody else's body and he doesn't understand why its such a big problem all of a sudden.
Oh right, plot
@@YouCantDeleteDenzelL pretty sure she only stole his body to find a spark and not to keep it permanently
The real life characters were deep in the uncanny valley for me. The models are so stylized but they're rendered super realistically. Looks weird.
It wouldn’t be so bad if their bodies were more stylized too. The whole movie is these cartoon faces on these normal ass bodies.
@@robertcopp2411 it's weird as shit honestly
The DP of Arrival (Bradford Young) was consulted about the lighting.
True. I just kept thinking about how Dorothea Williams could’ve eaten Joe’s head because her mouth was so big
I honestly couldn’t decide if I liked them or not? Like the hippie guy looks okay and the barber but some of the characters look weird to me.
I love how Pixar went from
“What if toys had feelings?” To “What if black people had feelings?” In less than 23 years
You gave this My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy out of 10.
Adam's screaming seems awfully calm this video
Soul is the first to make me feel like I might be too old or Disney/Pixar movies. The whole thing just feels like the most surface level philosophy for kids.
I do like the idea of having more philosophy-driven themes in animated movies, but yeah, I agree that this movie pushes the bare minimum of existentialism.
It's a start, but it could be better.
That's how I feel as well about modern Pixar films. I still enjoy older Pixar films as an adult though and I don't think it's just from nostalgia. Incredibles and Ratatouille have some really great dialogue and themes. I wish Pixar films could still be like those.
At least the existentialist theme would be understandable for children I guess yet more relevantly hard-hitting for adults.
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In this review, you addressed a lot of plot holes in the movie. And while some of them are true, there are a few I personally believe are wrong. Alright, here we go.
1. 22 wanting to stay on Earth: You said that it doesn't make sense for 22 to stay on Earth, in Joe's body, since she can just enter any body she wants with the help of Moonwind and everything will be fine. However, I see it as something that does in fact make sense. The entire point of an Earth pass is to become an actually newborn child an live your own life. If you would continue to go into separate bodies for eternity, then you would not only be ruining the person's life, but everybody they know. As you can see with this movie, 22 can't act in Joe's life on her own for too long without just not acting like Joe. 22 just wants the Earth pass, and then she just goes back and lives a full, proper life on her own. Plus, Moonwind wouldn't be able to help for eternity, since Moonwind will die eventually himself. Do you really think it's more optimal to invade people's lives to live on Earth when you can just simple use the Earth pass and live a life that was made for you specifically?
2. Joe's hair doesn't need a haircut: Well, he doesn't need one, that's true. But there's plenty of people who want to look *perfect*, even though their hair might look fine, this is the gig of his life we're talking about (well, not really, but he hasn't realized that yet), of course he wants to make his hair perfect for this very special night. Edit: Something @inconsistency added in a reply to this, Joe's former student said he could have a chance if he'd "look like a million bucks", plus, it is apparently very common for African-American people to get a haircut before an important event.
3. Joe being able to control getting in the zone makes no sense: This part I don't really get. It's already been established that Moonwind and several others can perfectly control of getting into The Zone. Since Moonwind knows just about as much as Joe does in the end of the movie, we can assume that Moonwind has entered The Great (The Great is what I like to call what others just call the Soul Realm). Joe being able to enter The Zone freely now shouldn't be illogical if other characters already could before that. And the thing about Joe not entering The Zone while doing his gig, I don't have any proof for that, my only explanation is that Joe wasn't actually happy or in the moment during that time, and therefore didn't go into The Zone.
4. Joe doesn't need to "sacrifice" himself for 22 since he's technically in The Zone: This is true... Kind of. Yes, Joe doesn't need to do this, but I think the point of this scene is that he has accepted death. He's cheated death, which is why when Terry says "you cheated", Joe doesn't argue, even though just a few seconds before he was arguing with 22 about how this was unfair. The realization of that he was already living a good life before he got the gig made him be able to accept his death, and find piece. He didn't want to die before simply because he thought he was so close to being happy forever after, but when he realized he was already happy, he didn't feel like he was "close" to getting anything. And also, the statement "she can just go to Earth the same way she did before" can be argued against with what I said in paragraph 1.
5. Joe getting a second chance: Yeah, I agree, this scene is pretty weird. It was originally just supposed to be Joe dying, but I'm guessing that's where Disney came in and said that it was too dark or something, which is why it feels weird, because it wasn't even supposed to happen in the plot.
Just so you know, I'm not saying YMS's review on this is 100% wrong and should be disregarded, it's an opinion. I'm not correcting his opinion, I'm correcting what I personally find to be incorrect facts. Everything that isn't the 5 points I corrected I can agree with (technically 4, since I mostly agree with what he says about Joe's second chance). I love the movie, YMS doesn't like it that much, and that's it. I don't correct opinions, I try to correct what I believe are incorrect facts. Thank you for reading this.
I totally agree with what you're saying.
Also, just to maybe expand a bit on point 2: the reason why Joe wanted to get a haircut was because Dorothea Williams saw him walking around the city in a hospital gown all dirty and she got freaked out by his appearance. He got the call from his former student that he was going to be replaced for the performance but he could still try to win Dorothea Williams' approval again if he "looked like a million bucks". That would probably include shaving some of his hair which was turning a bit white due to his age.
Also, I watched an interview on Disney+ with the guy who came up with the barber shop scene and he said that going to the barbershop is a cultural thing for African American people. According to him, it's important to go get a haircut before an important event. If you want to know more about it you can watch episode 1 in the show called "Inside Pixar" with Kemp Powers, it's really interesting and he explains it better than me!
@@inkonsistency Oh cool, thanks for that! I'll edit that in and credit you
I think your interpretation of the hair cutting scene is a big cultural blind spot. Going to the barbershop for a lining prior to something important is a rather big deal in the black community lol.
This is really interesting. I knew he wanted to look his best, but not much beyond that. Looks like Pixar did their research.
Not everyone is black.
true, but still, if Joe were smart he wouldve known that a cat cant give somebody a haircut
@@Kristenkore she didn't say so. She's just pointing out something he missed, not ridiculing him.
It's crazy how quickly I've gone from a Pixar stan to extremely non-plussed and indifferent about their new movies... when Adum said this was a spoiler review I just went "oh I was thinking about seeing it, but eh, who cares?".
“Pixar stan” 💀
Beyond a few Marvel films, Disney/Pixar just don't interest me anymore. They've drastically gone downhill.
@@Breezyz honestly, out of their first 15 films I've loved almost every single one and highly looked forward to their new releases. I don't know what happened, but that is just not the case anymore at all.
@@jdunnatl
Zootopia is easily the best Disney movie since Bear Brothers. And Pixar has Coco and Inside Out. And Soul, which is also great, contrary of what this dude in the video says.
It objectively didnt go downhill for Disney/Pixar.
It‘s just you.
It's because Pixar went from interesting and fun concepts to Just Another Disney Puppet TM. Everything they've done since being bought from Disney has been more or less soulless, ironically enough.
My girlfriend and I started this movie on a whim and I was doing something else because I had zero expectations for this movie. The intro to the movie actually got me interested. When 22 showed up things got choppy because I felt the story was strong enough without introducing this character, but I was still on board. When he slips and falls into the cat, we paused the movie to order dinner. When we got back, neither of us wanted to hit play. That movie basically aborted itself right there for both of us. They took something really engaging that broke me out of my jaded cynicism and shackled that whole story arc with a metaphysical neet who is so apathetic they don't even want to be born. They MIGHT have been able to pull that story together in a satisfying manner, but I didn't want to slog through all the incoming, "lol, he's a cat now" awkward humor bits just to see if they did.
About the cat coming back normally, it did die, but just used one of its 9 lives. (I think)
so joe being in the cat's body killed it. that's pretty dark. imagine if joe had taken over something with only one life
Pixar has mastered the art of making films that are good enough. I'll be genuinely surprised if I see a film of theirs that has any teeth on it any time soon
i'd say that past pixar movie's didn't have "teeth" either. i think Ratatouille had a pretty light theme and low steaks, but it's the best out of all of them.
i miss u Robo buddy 😢
This is a really good movie in my opinion. It isn't perfect of course, but it was really beautiful
No Adam, yelling about the protagonists skin colour and insisting, that he wouldn't have a soul because he's black is not a valid reason to give this movie a 6/10.
Anyways, liked, subscribed and blocked.
Yeah, his anti-teal rant was really off putting
Yeah, I don’t know if his PowerPoint on why Rosa Parks was wrong really helped explain the plot.
Seriously. I know Adam's a fan of the Raimi Spiderman films and all, but that doesn't mean every film in New York has to be like those movies.
The part where he injected adrenaline and while playing a concert hallucinated he was a facist dictator was weird too.
Wait, this isn't Fantano's channel.
I specifically remember seeing the teaser for this movie years ago, and I was actually intrigued by it. It seemed like maybe Pixar were making a mature, great movie for once in years.
Then I saw the second half of it and realized "nope, this is gonna be kiddie nonsense for at least half of it".
I was way more interested in the scenes of New York City and the humans playing instruments and the pretty lighting and colours and surreal musical imagery and Joe zoning out. I did not care about the soul stuff. Pixar is this incredible images studio, and then resorts to focusing half the movie on really lazy, simple blob characters.
"It seemed like maybe Pixar were making a mature, great movie for once in years."
Pixar doesn't make "mature" movies; they make movies for all ages. Movies like Wall and Up and still literal kids movies that appeal to adults.
It's funny that you hoped for a "mature, great movie" but then go on to say that the "pretty lighting and colours" from the trailer were more interesting to you, and not "the soul stuff." Basically, you were interested in the shallow, surface-level details instead of a topic that has an almost unimaginable depth of potential... the human soul. This movie doesn't do much to explore any of that potential, of course. You'd love it.
Having him not die at the end completely waters down his decision to give 22 her pass back.
why have him do that in the first place..why does he need to die at all?..seems pointless
8:58 the impression I got from the people that go in and out of the soul realm is that they are doing it through meditation, that's why after the main character learned how to meditate to go back to his body from the soul realm he did it again at the end when he was playing the piano while going into his "zone".
I think the portal they jump through when they have a earthpass, is symbolizing birth. But now that you mentioned it the thing about the portals makes no sense and feel really convinient
I did like the voice acting and the fact that they didn't give a clear ending. Will he go back to his teaching job or go on the road or...Also, Trent Reznor and Jean Batiste!
I really wanted to see more of the soul world, and less of the body swap/Freaky Friday plot.
@@robinhilliker4461 It needs a mini series of the Soul world so bad.
@@thecinematicmind I would actually really like to see them explore this world with shorts like they do with Toy Story.
@@robinhilliker4461 Especially when we see what the Great Beyond is like.
The no-taste thing is absolutely ridiculous, anyone with a cat can tell you how picky of eaters they are.
What does the no-taste rule have to do with cats?
@@vivir339 exactly
@@kipzz4280 I know. I’m still waiting for an answer 😂
@@vivir339 Fr bro 😭
My younger sister was really excited about watching this movie because of the jazz music and such cause she's a saxophone player in her school's marching band, and she had a great time watching this. I thought the whole appreciation of life thing and purpose in life was really cool. My sister's passion is music, and she wants to be in a jazz band someday, too. She has a goal and she's on her way to it, but she isn't dedicating every single thing to her dream because she used to find time to go outside and hang out with friends before this pandemic. Since the pandemic, she's lost interest in the music she used to play. But then she was looking forward to seeing Soul when the trailers had started coming out, and seeing her face light up when the movie was playing made my day. We watched the movie together, and thinking about it now reminds me of the appreciating life sequence which is one of my favorite scenes in the film. It made me realize that someday, we may never be able to have such an experience or one that as great, but until then, I'll make the most of every moment with my sister and in life. :)
also, why does joe look exactly like my algebra teacher????
Adum for 8:58 in the video they explain it in the movie. To enter the zone is getting lost in something you’re truly passionate for. During his performance he was too excited to goto the zone. Only after when he had time to reflect and feel the passion for his art could he enter the zone. {Idk if that made sense but that’s what it came across as to me. Hope this helps
I wasn’t overjoyed with this movie - the “sacrifice” and body switching being the primary reasons why - but I think Adam may have missed some important plot points and exposition judging by this review. A few of his criticisms were actually pretty clearly explained, or at least implied.
I had the same thought. He kept complaining that 22 didn't jump through the hippy portal to go to earth, but she didn't have a body so that wouldn't work unless she posessed someone again. And I thought you had to focus on your own body on earth in order to open the portal anyway. (Though why posession is so easily possible is beyond me).
Adam tends do that
@@whatif9854 No. I literally said in the review that she can easily go through with someone else. The pirate hippy is constantly attaching people to their souls, as shown in the film. She has infinite time to do this and has no moral issues with stealing other people's bodies. The film even shows other characters opening portals so the pirate hippy isn't the only option.
@@YMS while she could very easily do the jump into someone else’s body in the secondary realm, I think by that point in the film there’s a conscious rhetoric from Joe that the motivations 22 finds for living come from the fact that she’s in Joe’s body, which is why she is so anxious about letting it go. It’s not necessarily that this is the truth as provided later, but that the reason why she’s reluctant to leave the body comes from that sentiment for the first two acts in my opinion. When this rhetoric has changed, the character goes from only wanting joes body to realizing she can appreciate life on her own. That’s what I thought watching it. The film does little to acknowledge her selfishness in his body though.
@@jalenmr3650 its just that stupid protagonist-centered-morality crap
You're right about Joe being able to get back with just the help of the pirate hippie. But 22 needs the regular portal prolly to be born as a newborn baby.
Pretty good review otherwise.
They should've said: "Hey, I know you went back with the pirate hippie dude, but we don't like when you do that. It's against the balance of the souls or something. Don't do it again, please"
You really need everything chewed out for you?
For once, I feel this mood. "Nobody Dies Ever" hit hard. Not great ending.
Joe did.
At the end of the day it’s a kids movie and that’s why the film never gets too deep
You know what's weird? All dogs go to heaven came out in 1989 and that movie ended with the main character accepting his fate and going to heaven, that movie is slightly worse than soul because of its odd pacing and tonal issues, but at least it had the balls to kill off its main character, unlike this movie where he just gets his second chance!
@@GherkmanProductions Bambi 😐 Lion King 🙄 Finding Nemo 🥴