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I feel sure you have already seen it, but if not, Blue, from Overly Sarcastic Productions has a great biographical piece on Alcibiades that really brings home just how chaotic and strange his influence was over Athenian policy. It's also got a fair bit of comedy gold, and so if you haven't seen it, you should, as should any of us who are enjoying this series on the peloponesian war. Also, I LOVE this series, I think it's among your best work, especially the animations which accompany the work which hit just perfectly for me in a sort of 'schoolhouse rock' educational style that is absolutely charming.
@@KingsandGenerals I think any gratitude ought to go from me to you, I only wish I was in a position to support your pattern, because you absolutely deserve it. I also wanted to mention that your relatively frank and 'unspectacular' commentary on the Russo-Ukraine war is also excellent. Over the (far too long) war your updates have proven to be very accurate and concise. Thats got to be a far different challenge than reporting on something like Athenian politics where the scholarship has been established for a very long time. I think it's remarkable that your team manages both so well.
Alcibiades probably built the Leander’s Tower after the naval victory at Cyzicus and from there he watched the battle of Aegospotamoi and because of the shock of the outcome of the battle he then committed suicide by throwing himself off the tower. That’s another interesting version of his death.
I am very impressed by how excellent sailors and marines the Spartans turned out to be, even though they lacked the nautical traditions of the Athenians, yet were still able to battle it out with them on the seas. This reminds me of how the Romans took to the seas like a fish to water and were able to match the Carthaginians when it came to ship building and naval warfare.
That comes with long wars, the Spartans and Romans had little naval traditions but fighting against maritime superpowers over decades brings you slowly closer to their expertise in naval tactics and ship engineering.
It’s more impressive that Athens lasted as long as it did, and rebounded at least twice. Sparta isn’t a shock - it had more and more help from other Greek states, and the Persians, yet still couldn’t defeat Athens quickly. History showed that Athens still won the long game of time through the centuries.
the Romans mostly had the advantage in organisation and logistics. When they lost a 100 ships they replaced them with 150. When Carthage lost 50 they could not replace them as well.
Everything you present is great whatever the specific subject. Been with you quite awhile and always will. Hellenic and Roman military history are essentially my life.
This has been yet another excellent addition to this series. Thank you! It's a shame so often people (myself included) have to find somebody to blame when something goes poorly. Sometimes things just turn into a disaster for many reasons. God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
It is a blessing we know so much about a time so long ago and how many events that took place more then a millenia ago still reflect in modern society with the politics of Athens being a major example. I do have a major question on how a bunch of city states which existed more then a millenia ago managed such massive logistical issues and fielded powerful armies and navies.
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Honestly, I'm pretty sure this move, more then any other, cost them the War in these final years. They crippled their Military Leadership while Sparta still had it's best Commander at the ready.
Alcibiades probably built the Leander’s Tower after the naval victory at Cyzicus and from there he watched the battle of Aegospotamoi and because of the shock of the outcome of the battle he then committed suicide by throwing himself off the tower. That’s another interesting version of his death.
That video prove very well that spartans were not invincible at all , like all armies in history to win they needed a perfect logistics , tactics , and very capable leaders !! Love your video as always ! Keep Going on 😊
Ah yes, even in victory the Athenians were defeated, out of the frying pan and into the fire. Tthey could have consolidated their victory, but nope, they were too busy politically backstabbing each other to care, thus leaving the Spartans to use Persian money to regain the initiative
@@thescarletpumpernel3305 Wasn't Fidel Castro a General? And, Pol Pot? And, I know he wasn't Communist, but another example would be Gaddafi. I mean, what you propose sounds like the kind of dictatorship of many a Communist regime.
Generally enjoying these, but I have an issue with the maps, around 11-12 mins in. You show the Athenians at Samos and the Spartans sailing down to meet them there, but then the map of the battle does not make clear where "Arginusae" is. When I then looked it up, apparently this area is to the east of Lesbos, some ways to the north. Not sure how this makes sense, unless the Athenians went north from Samos first.
“The ships are gone. Mindarus is dead. The men are starving. We know not what to do.” Spartans were so ahead of their time they were using telegraph in the 5th century BC!
Well this was an interesting look into this time period. You would think that Athens would lost no matter what after Sicily. But not so much. If you watch this video.
@@KingsandGenerals oh, well I knew that. I was hoping for a separate video to aid in searching it quickly. This epoch in history is my current fixation. I just received my hardcover of the landmark Thucydides in the post today! I rever back to this playlist frequently. In any case, thanks for your hard work, if not for you I would not have ever come to claim history as my hobby.
ALCIBIADES Would make an Excellent Hollywood Epic it has massive options and back drop lessons from the Epic past. Just saying of course my Epic history fellow fans
They were (are) a resilient and ingenious people who were far more enterprising and creative than a lot of the other Greeks of that time who were far more conservative, but perhaps they had a tendency to overreach themselves. I can't remember the exact quote but a Greek once told the Spartans: the difference between you and Athens is that by the time you've thought about doing something and taking the initiative Athens had already done it. The problem with Athens is that they had an almost incredible ability to always pick the bad choice in who to support among their allies and this usually caused them a lot of problems. It's almost incredible the amount of times they choose the wrong option and end up suffering-the Sicilian expedition, siding with Mithridates against Rome, even taking on the Persians in the Ionian revolt was risky as hell. A bold people!
@@KingsandGenerals like the cool map that looks like it's hand drawn. Where did you guys find it ? you mostly use it when presenting a civilisation/culture
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You have to say alcabadies led an interesting life, I suppose given the choice of burning to death or being stabbed to death I'd probably choose the same.
What a comedy of missteps, betrayals, and fumbles. One right after another. Neither side was ever adept at taking advantage of...advantages. Neither side could maintain the loyalty of their influential politicians at home while they were campaigning. Neither side could maintain allegiances with other city-states and nations. Neither side could ever win anything decisive. Just an absolute mess for centuries.
It's hard not to see the Spartans as the villians in this war when they ally with the Greek world's mortal enemy, Persia. Sad how the war ended. Spoiler, Sparta won.
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Plz complete the alexander series
I feel sure you have already seen it, but if not, Blue, from Overly Sarcastic Productions has a great biographical piece on Alcibiades that really brings home just how chaotic and strange his influence was over Athenian policy. It's also got a fair bit of comedy gold, and so if you haven't seen it, you should, as should any of us who are enjoying this series on the peloponesian war.
Also, I LOVE this series, I think it's among your best work, especially the animations which accompany the work which hit just perfectly for me in a sort of 'schoolhouse rock' educational style that is absolutely charming.
@@charlesparr1611 thanks!
@@KingsandGenerals I think any gratitude ought to go from me to you, I only wish I was in a position to support your pattern, because you absolutely deserve it. I also wanted to mention that your relatively frank and 'unspectacular' commentary on the Russo-Ukraine war is also excellent. Over the (far too long) war your updates have proven to be very accurate and concise. Thats got to be a far different challenge than reporting on something like Athenian politics where the scholarship has been established for a very long time. I think it's remarkable that your team manages both so well.
Alcibiades probably built the Leander’s Tower after the naval victory at Cyzicus and from there he watched the battle of Aegospotamoi and because of the shock of the outcome of the battle he then committed suicide by throwing himself off the tower. That’s another interesting version of his death.
Imagine being a general of Athens, winning a difficult battle against the Spartans, and then being executed for it by your own people.
This is a certified Greek moment.
Imagine being an American hero and then being persecuted by your own countrymen?
@@derekbates4316what. Are you lost?
@@pinkpenzu
Aren't you?
Just because you didn't save those sailors and men when they needed help the most.
I am very impressed by how excellent sailors and marines the Spartans turned out to be, even though they lacked the nautical traditions of the Athenians, yet were still able to battle it out with them on the seas. This reminds me of how the Romans took to the seas like a fish to water and were able to match the Carthaginians when it came to ship building and naval warfare.
That comes with long wars, the Spartans and Romans had little naval traditions but fighting against maritime superpowers over decades brings you slowly closer to their expertise in naval tactics and ship engineering.
It’s more impressive that Athens lasted as long as it did, and rebounded at least twice. Sparta isn’t a shock - it had more and more help from other Greek states, and the Persians, yet still couldn’t defeat Athens quickly.
History showed that Athens still won the long game of time through the centuries.
Romans did not take to the seas like a fish you clown. They lost like 200k soldiers in storms and lost many battles before actually winning
Yeah Yeah, so true! The war like are quickly adaptable. Even the Mongols.
the Romans mostly had the advantage in organisation and logistics. When they lost a 100 ships they replaced them with 150. When Carthage lost 50 they could not replace them as well.
Everything you present is great whatever the specific subject. Been with you quite awhile and always will.
Hellenic and Roman military history are essentially my life.
Thank you!
Another great series you've put together.
This has been yet another excellent addition to this series. Thank you! It's a shame so often people (myself included) have to find somebody to blame when something goes poorly. Sometimes things just turn into a disaster for many reasons.
God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
It is a blessing we know so much about a time so long ago and how many events that took place more then a millenia ago still reflect in modern society with the politics of Athens being a major example. I do have a major question on how a bunch of city states which existed more then a millenia ago managed such massive logistical issues and fielded powerful armies and navies.
"you must believe in ancient history, even if it's not true"
Exceptional. It must take incredible detailed research to put this together. I am an Alcibiades fan but I learned a lot here. Great thanks.
Thank you K&G, you nailed this series!
I had just finished watching the last episode in this series and i saw the upload of this episode. this day could not get any better
I love when you all talk about the BC era of History.
What a great channel you have. Thank you for everything!
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍💯
Awesome documentary series.
Such an amazing series! ⚔🔥🙌
*Hello K&G* 👋👋
*Can We Get an in Depth Video on the Ancient Peoples from the horn of Africa like the Cushites*
*Maybe videos on the Macrobians, Puntites, Axumites, Trading City states and much more*
*Athens wins a solid victory against the Spartans at sea*
Also Athens: lol let's execute the generals who just won the battle
Honestly, I'm pretty sure this move, more then any other, cost them the War in these final years. They crippled their Military Leadership while Sparta still had it's best Commander at the ready.
Not one but seven. Tbh the Generals also were quite incompetent at their public defense
Happens all the time. The Parthian emperor had General Surena - the man who defeated Roman incursions - put to death because he feared his popularity.
Alcibiades probably built the Leander’s Tower after the naval victory at Cyzicus and from there he watched the battle of Aegospotamoi and because of the shock of the outcome of the battle he then committed suicide by throwing himself off the tower. That’s another interesting version of his death.
damn who would have thought the elite warriors of Greece would be defeated by rivals from their own country
I enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
Hmm....Athens has get support from Fortuna, so perhaps Sparta should ask help from Ahura Mazda to defeat them 🤔🤔.
Bro ur 2500 years late
Or from Pandora
2500 years old meme
That is kind of what happened yes.
An outstanding presentation! 👏🏼
Ancient Greece and Persia always amazes me 🙏
That video prove very well that spartans were not invincible at all , like all armies in history to win they needed a perfect logistics , tactics , and very capable leaders !! Love your video as always ! Keep Going on 😊
I love your videos they bring me so much happiness.
excellent work bravo bravo bravo
Alcibiades looking might AI generated at 7:04
(The hands)
Yeah they use some ai images in this series. To be honest I’m not a fan of it
Yep, decided not to do it again.
@@KingsandGeneralsReally hope you're telling the truth here.
Great video but I’m really excited for the finale of the mongols invading Europe series
Ah yes, even in victory the Athenians were defeated, out of the frying pan and into the fire. Tthey could have consolidated their victory, but nope, they were too busy politically backstabbing each other to care, thus leaving the Spartans to use Persian money to regain the initiative
Sound familiar?
@@thescarletpumpernel3305
So, the moral of the lesson is: Communism rules.
@@derekbates4316 If your aim is inflict an immense amount of human misery, yes why not.
@@thescarletpumpernel3305
Wasn't Fidel Castro a General? And, Pol Pot? And, I know he wasn't Communist, but another example would be Gaddafi. I mean, what you propose sounds like the kind of dictatorship of many a Communist regime.
@@Kaiyanwang82 No, I mean doesn't this reflect our own society?
love the old Greek stuff
Making my morning even better 👍❤️
so nice video
thank you
Love this series
Love The vid ❤️
Where has the pacific war gone? Feels like weeks since the last video was up
SWEET it just came out!
Can’t wait for Aegospotami.
Can’t wait to see coverage of the Thirty Tyrants
Generally enjoying these, but I have an issue with the maps, around 11-12 mins in. You show the Athenians at Samos and the Spartans sailing down to meet them there, but then the map of the battle does not make clear where "Arginusae" is. When I then looked it up, apparently this area is to the east of Lesbos, some ways to the north. Not sure how this makes sense, unless the Athenians went north from Samos first.
Bad idea to purge your officer corps during a war.
Good video
“The ships are gone. Mindarus is dead. The men are starving. We know not what to do.”
Spartans were so ahead of their time they were using telegraph in the 5th century BC!
Excellent video
Sparta masters sea warfare
Won the battle but lost 8 of the finest generals.
Well this was an interesting look into this time period. You would think that Athens would lost no matter what after Sicily. But not so much. If you watch this video.
You never publicly listed episode nine.
Yep, it is added to the end of the long video
@@KingsandGenerals oh, well I knew that. I was hoping for a separate video to aid in searching it quickly. This epoch in history is my current fixation. I just received my hardcover of the landmark Thucydides in the post today! I rever back to this playlist frequently. In any case, thanks for your hard work, if not for you I would not have ever come to claim history as my hobby.
It's just BC. Not "BCE". There's no "common era".
I hate ce and bce smh
ALCIBIADES Would make an Excellent Hollywood Epic it has massive options and back drop lessons from the Epic past. Just saying of course my Epic history fellow fans
7:05 with Closed Captions on. What the??
Inside joke ended up in the script, fixing
@@KingsandGenerals So should have kept it! My favorite movies!
I don't understand in all these videos. Why are Athens always shown as incompetent? Were they ever good at warfare?
they were good at warfare, but they were even better in micropolitics...
They were (are) a resilient and ingenious people who were far more enterprising and creative than a lot of the other Greeks of that time who were far more conservative, but perhaps they had a tendency to overreach themselves. I can't remember the exact quote but a Greek once told the Spartans: the difference between you and Athens is that by the time you've thought about doing something and taking the initiative Athens had already done it. The problem with Athens is that they had an almost incredible ability to always pick the bad choice in who to support among their allies and this usually caused them a lot of problems. It's almost incredible the amount of times they choose the wrong option and end up suffering-the Sicilian expedition, siding with Mithridates against Rome, even taking on the Persians in the Ionian revolt was risky as hell. A bold people!
@@BOSIE321yes Ionians greeks are intellectual peoples of among all Greeks tribes. They are just unlucky in warfare due to lack of unity
Early comment for the algorithm gods
Day 7 of asking for this cannels cool maps and backgrounds
As what
@@KingsandGenerals like the cool map that looks like it's hand drawn. Where did you guys find it ? you mostly use it when presenting a civilisation/culture
@@arandomguy656 made in house.
@@KingsandGenerals Well then congrats ! Is there a way to get it ?
Alcibiades is the Benedict Arnold of Athens.
6:56
AI Generated Alcibiades Jumpscare
It's really disappointing. I thought they paid artists on this channel
THIS IS SPARTA !
One piece episode titles:
Personal Suggestions for future videos.
1) The Golden of Piracy between the 1650s and the 1730s.
2) The American War for Independence.
3) The Beaver Wars or the French and Iroquois Wars.
4) Sir Francis Walsingham, Queen Elizabeth's James Bond.
5) The Gurkhas.
Noted!
I dont wanna be a general in Athens at that time.
The last gasp of Athens.
A lot of great battles were lost because a general was too arrogant
Athens or spartan
Lemme know
Me: Give me Athens man
You have to say alcabadies led an interesting life, I suppose given the choice of burning to death or being stabbed to death I'd probably choose the same.
7:04 da fuq is up with this dude's hands?
comment for the algorithm
For the algo...
What a comedy of missteps, betrayals, and fumbles. One right after another. Neither side was ever adept at taking advantage of...advantages. Neither side could maintain the loyalty of their influential politicians at home while they were campaigning. Neither side could maintain allegiances with other city-states and nations. Neither side could ever win anything decisive. Just an absolute mess for centuries.
The Greek myth references seem quite forced after a point.
A traitor is the same thing as a turncoat.
🙂👍
Athens deserved to lost this war. They never learned. Politics and Military must be separated in any democracy.
Athens = England
Sparta = Germany
France = Thebes
It's hard not to see the Spartans as the villians in this war when they ally with the Greek world's mortal enemy, Persia. Sad how the war ended. Spoiler, Sparta won.
(Plots in Corinth and Thebes)
pls don't use AI generated arts it feels weird
B
It looks like some this art is AI generated…
Love watching the liberal democracy score a win against the authoritarian state.
And you are an asshole
You are an @sshole
:)
Please don't use AI art anymore! fingers look horrible and it's super not historical, i would rather see no art then that kind of badly made art
Where is the famous Mavi vatan of the Turks ?? I forgotten… Turks came thousands years later in the area… Aegean was and remains Greek lake
The Greek myth references seem quite forced after a point.