After many requests from you guys, I merged all parts of the Battle of Talas mini-series for easier viewing. I hope you'll enjoy the video and thank you so much for watching!
Zenata imazighen Akbar imjahden Tarik ibn Zaid Maghrawaden Al murabiteen Al mohwahideen Meriniden Wattasiden Abdelkarim khattabi Omar mohtar Mohamed amezian Ibn battuta
But Arabs nowadays are weak and their leaders are puppet... Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi tried to revive Arabs but the people who don't want unity of the Arabs and Muslims intervened and finished them through cons piracy and military
The first three days of battle is basically a game of chess (first version of the battle). Both armies about equal, both flanked by a river and a mountain forcing a frontal confrontation, and both well commanded and led by smart generals.
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
Spanned from france to western china. Underrated (simply because most Christian's and westerners dont want to give credit or praise or recognition to an Islamic power) and the greatest empire and state of all time. Top 2 with rome and arguably better when you compare the odds both of them faced
As with any of the large empires of the ancient and medieval world, there comes a point where just can't push any further. The Romans dealt with that. The logistics, distances involved were too much an issue. There was also the question of stability. The Romans had their own revolts and civil wars. Not to mention threats from foreign attack. China in its long history has had many civil wars or prolonged periods where it wasn't under a single unified power. Tang Dynasty was one of China's great dynasties and even they had limits on how far they could reach. That they were able to send an army this far out into Central Asia is an accomplishment, but it's just too far to truly bring the weight of the empire to bear.
i personally think they matter in which these empires projected power is what limited them they often went with large armies occupying larger swaths of land. requiring complex, resource intensive and long supply chains. which put everything between point a and b at risk for raid or revolt or simply being bogged down. i like small professional armies with massive navies. heavily fortify your core regions and only expand with your navy.
Exactly. It takes months just to resupply the frontline and with the limitation of communication technology, the generals/governors of the expedition forces could easily become the de facto king of their legion and region. It is just unrealistic to maintain control over a distant land in ancient time and there is little real incentive other than personal ambition of the aristocracy.
Those videos are just incredible. So well narrated, and well illustrated. It is so helpful to see the maps of where everything took place, and the battle unfold in real time. Gives a much better understanding of everything.
it's not well illustrated. The exact location of the battle isn't known so the map doesn't really tell or achieve anything other than to score some internet points.
Comment for the algorithm! This is my favorite history channel on youtube for both it's consistently exciting scripting and (though this is more subjective) it's stellar narration. Keep up the great work!
@HistoryMarche I Have no words for this video. Simply amazing and interesting animations. I am sure a lot of people learn something from this. Those battles we don't know are extra interesting. Love your content and keep on making content about battles in our history. I will thank you in the name of all your viewers that you indeed make amazing content. Oh and by the way you EARNED AN ACTIVE SUBSCRIBER.
It was widely recored right after Talas Chinese influence in Central Asia didn't really diminishes, China truely lost Central Asia afterwards from the An Lushan Rebellion, after that they were too weak to do any power projection and the whole menality of China changed from that point.
“The whole mentality of China changed afterwards” the caliphate influence expanded in that region because of this war hence why Turkic tribes starting adopting Islam hence Y the caliphate started the golden age
@@JonJamzy Tang power projection into Xinjiang and Central Asia was blocked by Tibetans. Most English sources miss the Tibetan aspect of this conflict between 3 powers (Arab, Tang, Tibetan). After Battle of Talas River and An Lusha Rebellion, the Tibetans managed to come out ahead taking over Xinjiang from Tang. Tang and Abbasid eventually allied to counter the Tibetans. The Abbasid actually fought Tibetans in Transoxiana. (Wikipedia: Qingshui Treaty) Also Talas only affected Western Turks in Central Asia. The Eastern Turks in Mongolia (Uyghur Khanate) had another 3-power conflict a century later with the Tang and Tibetans. (Wikipedia: Uyghur Khanate). This also blocked Tang power projection.
I'm so grateful to you for covering this battle. Talas is located in modern day Kyrgyzstan, where I am from. We have so many folkloric and epic tales which include Talas one way or another.
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
Four years after this battle, the seven-year Anshi Rebellion occurred in the territory of the Tang Empire, which caused devastating war damage and lost a large number of people.
Islamic & Sinitic cultural competition over the region reemerged four centuries after this battle between the muslim Turkic dynasties and the Western Liao
You are an interesting figure I must say. Having encountered you on many different occasions in these comment sections, I felt compelled to write to you. I must say that I admire your passion and your hunger for knowledge.
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
I'm loving the more spherical map style you use on this channel - the shift at 7:45 from central asia back to the mid-east really made me feel like I was moving along a globe.
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
@@samsonsoturian6013 Well not exactly all the battles, but specific battles. The ones which prove decisive in either winning a war or significantly causing political changes. This one The Battle of Talas was a decisive battle. The Tang Dynasty was at its peak, and almost immediately after the defeat had to deal with an internal rebellion, thus it was never able to expand westward as they had planned, leaving China in a position where it would become vulnerable to Mongol Invasion 200 years later, plus paper was introduced to the islamic civilization. So it really was a decisive battle.
@@klaudioabazi4478 Any murder forever changes the lineage of humanity. Different people making different choices. It doesn't matter which fool is in charge.
You guys should definitely do the Mongol invasion of Jin and the Song. The Jin almost destroyed 50,000mongols in an encirclement but got double encircled. There song defence of diaoyu city was also textbook siege defense.
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Ta'i who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu khoursani according to most sources agreed it according historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
Boys back then had all the T-shirts and gear saying, "You better thank the Caliphate, or you'd be speaking Chinese right now!" That was popular back in the 800s.
Spears were like Tomahawk missiles back then. They rained unexpectedly and with GPS precision - down to few meters. They were made of composite materials - wood, rope, flint, iron. Technologically a thousand years ahead of time. Spearmen could jump 50 feet in the air propelling through the medium by doing bicycle movements with knees and feet and throw spears from above as well as below. This was unmatched for a thousand years.
The real results of Talas battle was the gradual conversion of the Turks to Islam,whom took the torch and the banner from the Arabs in the leadership of the Islamic world, and did a HECK of a job. Establishing a magnificent Islamic empires throughout the world,starting with the Seljuk empire,followed by the Khawarizmi empire, ended with the magnificent Ottoman Empire
Some of us think also arabization started, assimilation of central asian culture into semitic culture, first semi nomadic horse archers became mercenaries used as pawn btw rome and jeruselam clashes. Then sacrifices were made for Istanbul, challenger for the CAPITAL of GOD among Rome, Acheen, Avignon.
Wish I could play a Total War campaign for this, this is quite exciting. Imagine playing the Muslim Civil War on the side of Abbasids and another campaign as the Chinese to subjugate as many territories as possible in the 3 year span before the Abassids muster a counter attack after they won the Civil War.
I had no idea but read about it in Guerres & Histoire, probably the best History magazine in french language. Hail to Colonel Goya, the creator of the magazine and many very interesting books and articles.
Proudly those are my ancestors. While conquering central asia, at the same time the arabs have already conquered Iberian Peninsula and were marching towards France. Thier legacy remains till today and forever; language, alphabet, and most importantly Islam.
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
@@Alex-tx2em No, battle of Tours had nothing to do with Talas. The fact is that the so called islamic sources came 400+ years to 500+ years after the Battle of Talas happened, while the Chinese documents were filed by the Anxi region governor after the battle itself. The Anxi region government had all the data about the troops and everything, while the islamic history about the battle which were written roughly half a millennia later were based on various oral traditions and legends, hence the story telling like nature with religious propaganda. While the Chinese history about the Battle of Talas was compiled by from the documents produced by the government that worked in Anxi region, it was the first earliest primary sources about the battle itself. Even the famous al-tabari who was born roughly almost half a century after Battle of Talas didn't even mention a single thing about the battle, if it was so important, nothing will be left out. Just like Chinese historical sources that only gave a single sentence about the battle which show how unimportant it was. And in fact, the "Middle Tang" power only grew in western Central Asia after the Battle of Talas and reached its peak in early 755. I'm not even mentioning the inaccuracies of the islamic history about the Battle of Talas that can be debunked away. The Battle of Talas river changed nothing, at most it gave the transfer of paper to the west, but even this is debatable. The area around the Talas river was still in Chinese hand after the battle itself, not in abbasid possession, the Chinese withdrew only when a civil war broke out in year 755. And the caliphate didn't even have real power around there, it was later taken by Tibetans and after that by the Turks. If there was only significant thing about the Battle of Talas was that the battle managed to get the caliphate out of precarious situation before the battle as those kingdoms in western Central Asia were always rebellious from the beginning of the caliphate control.
I remember us covering this at my highschool history class in Turkey verbally. Having this visualised in such a way pictures the occasion in a clearer way which I appreciate @HistoryMarche
The reason why China pays attention to this area is that Turks may unite with Tubo to attack China. When the Turks had no influence, the Chinese emperor sent troops to occupy half of the territory of Korea. The Eastern War ended, and the Tibetan Kingdom sent troops to occupy China's affiliated states. The Chinese people failed in the war against Tibet, which led to the rebellion of the Turks and the establishment of the country. When China defeated the Turks again, the Tibetan army was also suppressed by China. But Tubo is still very powerful. During the war, China had 10 powerful legions. There is only one legion in Central Asia. The other four were used to suppress Tibet and its affiliated states in Yunnan. Two of them were used to monitor the Uighurs and other Turks who surrendered to China, and two were used to monitor the subordinate Khitans. A legion used to prevent the Chinese people from rebelling against themselves
Can you do research on the last fortress of Song dynasty against the mongol invasion? It is written in such epic way that it withstand mongol invasion for several decades and even cost a death of Great Khan. Later on when the fortress finally fell, the last government member of Song dynasty escape to the boat but got boarded by Mongol. So a government member decide to throw the emperor of Song dynasty (a young boy) into the river just so mongol cannot capture him.
I'm Kazakh, this battle is talked and tackled a lot in our history books because it is a cornerstone and a turning point in our history. The fate of whole region of Central Asia was defined by it and we eventually became Muslim and not Buddhist. Thanks God to that. We still have a city of Taraz near the river Talas and the word talas itself means "battle" or "fight", so for us Talas battle sounds a bit funny
If you became a Buddhist, you would also thank the Buddha. Of course, you may also be grateful that you are an atheist. This is what history does to humanity
Abrahamic religions belong to the Mediterranean, and Buddhist philosophy and practices (meditation) were copied from Taoism/Chinese folk religions. Turks should honor their true ancestors and their shamanic roots (whether with tengrism or other free spirituality).
Amazing content as usual Historymarche ! 😎👍⚔ The Battle of Talas was truly a clash of civilisations which changed the course of history and is the reason why the majority of Central Asia is muslim today.
The Battle of Talas changed nothing, the mid Tang power actually strengthen during this and reach its peak in early 755, four years after the battle took place. It was more of like a quite big random skirmish without any consequences, the battle was started and just an extension of the quarrel between Tashkent and Ferghana. Western Central Asia didn't become muslim dominated area after this, islam manage to spread slowly but quite steady in those place was when Karluk Turks began to convert to islam as their religion between 900 c.e. to 1000 c.e., while most of Eastern Central Asia still remain mostly out of islamic reach. And Eastern Central Asia only became majority muslims during 15th to 16th century, and islam is wearing off now in Eastern Central Asia, as people become far more educated and becoming secular, also a portion of those returning to their native religion of Tengrism, Shamanism and even Buddhism which is actually a sign of very good thing. And if you're talking about the clash of civilizations which didn't actually happened, then you may add that the earlier ummayad caliphate was beaten by the Tang and by Tang vassal, the Turgish, and the abbasid was also beaten numerous time by Tang allies and vassals and by Tibetan Empire as well.
It also changed the history of the Middle East. Centuries later, Islamicized Turks will come to rule the Middle East until the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
@@weirdno.1uniqueno.173 Really hope to see Central Asia will start embracing their ancestors belief from Buddhism, Tengrism, Shamanism where they should be proud of their belief not the Arabic belief who have invaded them ....
@@areebachewa8318 They will need a lot of neutral educations on the matters and an introductions to their lost roots, because as i'd seen now in virtually every islamic dominated countries whether the respective countries practiced the sharia law or not, especially when the government support or at least too tolerate islam to some ridiculous extent, it is always hard for the people who practiced their native believes and cultures to express themselves freely, so for people who had become muslims and lived in majority muslims countries, the chance is very low for them to turn back to their roots, due to government or islamic organizations interferences. But for people who migrated to non muslim dominated countries, it will be much easier, with a good educations and logical thinking, i'd seen lots of former muslims or christians who abandoned their faiths when they were exposed to their illogical religious texts. As time passes, i believe when people are getting more educated and becoming smarter, their chance for leaving abrahamic faiths will be much higher.
I am glad that HistoryMarche is briefly going back to Asian history/battles. Not many channels (excluding Baz Battles & hints of Ks&Gs) cover the Asian theatre beyond WW1/WW2. I know many viewers are demanding & pressuring HistoryMarche to do more Hannibal, but you got to understand that many channels need to branch out to increase traffic, relevance, and reputation. Be patient. They will work & release the next Hannibal video.
@@edwardkim8972 Ks & Gs have their pros and cons regarding videos. Not to mention in the past, they have been called out by viewers regarding the sources/missed creditable pieces of events they used in their content. K&Gs is more in tune with covering the modern era of events versus the ancient past. I am more aligned with either Baz Battles, HistoryMarche, and other channels that get overshadowed by bigger channels like EPTV and Kings & Generals, which have millions of subscribers. They all are good in their own fields.
@@Fallout3131 bro this kid really thinks everything revolves around the west, the rest of the world has history as well, im not saying the west has bad history, but y'all dont need pretend the rest of the world was stone age barbarians 2000 years ago, look at the islamic golden age and the ancient chinese and Indian civilisations, europe back then was a cold, poor and unjust place stuck in the stone age. Also at least im not called ryan you little white npc
The key to understand the astonishing Arab conquest is by understanding Islam and its impact on them as a nation , the progressive conquest was sustained by locals converting into Islam.
Video ends in Tibetan empire push into tang territory leading to capture of tang capital xian by Tibetan empire 763. Also sending 2 princess to Tibet and signing peace treaty with Tibet. Has Pilars in both capital stating “Tibetans r happy in Tibet and Chinese r happy in China”
Thanks guys! That's a great video!! I think it would be more informative if it was mentioned that: - Umayyad fled to the west of the caliphate and start their rule in Al-Andalus (modern-day Spain and Portugal) which is why the Abbasid focused their effort on the east. - The meeting between the Umayyad general Qutaibah and the emperor of China. - How this small battle affects us more than we would think. For example, People in the Middle East and Europe used to write on papyrus, but history books remember that in this battle the Abbasids captured some Chinese soldiers. These soldiers leaked the secrets of making paper, which paved the way for what is later known as the golden age of Islam and the European Renaissance. (It's already there, my bad!) - How the Chinese Muslims, known as Hui people formed with marriage between Arabs, Persians, and Chinese. - The story of the first mosque built in China Huaisheng Mosque just before this battle. - Name of several books written by both ethnicities about each other. There is one about a Chinese man who lived in Kufa for 20 years!
Umayyad general never met the emperor of china. Hui community of china was largely due to Arab and Iranian male and female marrying into Chinese populace. So the hui are a product of marriage rather than conversion
@@VicmundLim male and FEMALE? I highly doubt it. I mean as far as i know back then the only type of groups who brave enough to ventured far beyond their geographical sphere of influences were non other than the reckless Merchants. And most, if not all of the merchants back in the day were all Dudes. So the most likely real scenario were like this = The brave and adventurous (and probably also h**ny) male MidEastern merchants of various religions (yes, there were Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians as well in whoms also into trading in China), got permission to marry the local ladies.
Can you do a series on the An Lushan rebellion, which happened just a few years after Talas, and killed a larg portion of the world population, almost as much people as WW1 by some estimates, and led to the decline of the Tang Empire.
This was a great video since I never heard anything about this battle, you should do a video on the Tibetan empire since I haven't seen too many TH-cam channels cover them .
Yeah its very cool of their reach however i argue that with the romans, persians and iberians that they where already weakend from war so the arab attacks where the final nail i think if the sassanids or romans where at full strength we would not know of these events as they would have been kurb stomped
@@pigman6420 The first caliphate fought with persian romans nubian and ethopians. All of them had strong armies. Especially persians and romans. Thier general had war experience better equiped soldiers with armours and the rashidun caliphate did not have any properly organized army and the generals did not have experience of leading much larger armies but thier faith was too strong and thier intelligence have given brilliant generals in the history of world Kahlid ibn Walid Saad ibn abi waqas Abu Ubaida These three are my favrouite generals from rashidun caliphate
@@ChillScare_Chroniclesit’s not really the intelligence of the Muslims that made them fanatical zealots who fought with a zeal that was not found in normal armies. Like how ISIS was such a menace even though the world superpowers were fighting it.
Kashmir, Khotan, Turk Shahi kingdoms played a massive role fighting Arabs and Tibetans by allying with Tang Dynasty. Lalitaditya Muktapida of Kashmir and Phromo Kaesaro of Turk Shahis were Heroes in these wars.
Wtf I never knew China and a caliphate had a war. This notified me on my phone at work and I've been giddy to watch it all day and I must say Soo worth it. Great video
The strong historical relations between China Arabs and Muslims overcame this clash and made the Abbasids diminish this victory. In the end, the Turks are the beneficiaries of this battle, not the victorious party (the Abbasids).
The Chinese general Gao xian zhi was ethnically korean. korean name is Go Sun-ji. decendent of Goguryeo dynasty. and family name 'Go' was Goguryeo king's family name.
@@user-mv6yv9ec1b in their zionist dreams maybe but in reality even crows know you're invaders who are killing and extorting the majority of isralites who were never chased away by the romans and remained there and some of them converted to christianity, islam, and adopted arabic. while the few isralites who were chased away were mostly living within the roman empire and moved to muslim ruled territories to avoid christians bad treatment towards the jews and those people are the arab jews because they too adopted arabic and majority of them adopted Islam. but somehow white europeans and americans and a few black african jews claim that land as theirs just because they're jews when the real isralites are either the ones who were living in the islamic world or the ones who remained in jerusalem and converted to christianity or reverted to Islam and somehow they're accused of not being from those lands because they adopted arabic while white people from europe and america and black people from africa claim they are the right owners of those lands which is ridiculous to say the least. y'all killed and extorted your own brothers simply because they adapted to the changes of history while most of you are fake jews to say the least.
I am grateful for the victory in the Battle of Talas. This victory gave us Central Asia, some much needed strong Turkic soldiers, and PAPER TECH. This was when Muslims could finally spearhead the academic revolution in our Caliphate.
In the Chinese speaking world this Battle is usually barely a footnote if that(Aksu even more so), with the main point being the introduction of paper into the west and th Islamic world. I guess it was vastly overshadowed by the following An Lushan rebellion, and the slow painful death of the Tang that followed. Interesting how different civilizations look at a same event through different perspectives.
@@KaiHung-wv3ul This battle is important as it helped Muslims reestablish control in central asia leading to conversion to Islam of the Region and of Turkic tribes from the steppes that came into contact with the Islamic Central asia. Had Muslim lost this battle, central asia would be devoid of Muslim influence. Jeopardizing the conversion of the Important Turkic tribes like Seljuk, Khawarzm, Oghuz Ottomans, Ghaznavids and even Mongolian elite that accepted Islam after ruling the central asia. Timur, Mughals ......
@@muhammadadeel8639 something is fishy though. Why did most hadith collectors come from this region and not from Saudia Arabia? Eg the oldest hadith collector, Bukhari, was from Bukhara. How come?
@@hagalhagal9989 Not True! The 4 Imams of Jurisprudence all came from Arabian Peninsula and were Arabs. They were the first Hadith Collectors Too! All born in late Umayyad and early Abbasid period (8th century) Malik - In Medina Shafi - In Gaza Hanifa - In Iraq Hanbal - In Iraq Later in early 9th century came the six Hadith collectors (Sihah-Sitta). All were of Persian Muslim origin. Bukhari - Bukhara, Uzbekistan Muslim - Neshapur, Iran Ibn Majah - Qazvin, Iran Abu dawud - Sistan, Iran Al-Nasai - Nisa, Turkemenistan Al-Tirmidhi - Termez, Uzbekistan So 3 came from Iran and 3 from Central Asia. This is becasue Abbasid revolution came from Eastern Iran and Khorasan. Leading to more Economic and Scholarly development in those cities.
Informative and clearly explained historical coverage video that new political, military footage of ( umayadd & Abassed) in Central Asia which caused ejection of Chinese empire dominant & weaknesses on Central Asia...it was a decisive introduction for violent emigration of Turkish, Turkmen & Mongolian tribe's to MiddleEast and eastern Europe ...(History Marche) Channel always introduces an excellence historical episode's like this one 8:21
China's own records say 10,000 Tang heavy infantry and 20,000 nomadic power cavalry. One of the nomadic tribes in Tang's sphere of influence defected and attacked the rear of the army.
This battle is important as it helped Muslims re-establish control in central asia leading to conversion to Islam of the Region and of Turkic tribes from the steppes that came into contact with the Islamic Central asia. Had Muslim lost this battle, Central Asia would be devoid of Muslim influence. Jeopardizing the conversion of the extremely Important Turkic tribes like Seljuk, Khawarzm, Oghuz Ottomans, Ghaznavids, Ghurids, Mamlukes and even Mongolian elite that accepted Islam after ruling the central asia. Timur, Mughals ......
@@robertleon4323 The Region kept flourishing until Mongol invasion in 1221. Mongols committed a Genocide in central asia (25% population killed) and all major cities destroyed. Islam stayed but the region remained under Mongol successors till 1900 when Russia/Communism took over. Islam came to region in 700s and from 700 to 1200 was Golden age of Central asia. Though Mongols became Muslim but they remained war-like and not developed economy.
@@muhammadadeel8639 The spread of religion does not necessarily mean prosperity. Do you think the Crusades and modern European colonization brought prosperity to the Middle East? Because the Arab Empire not only spread Islam, but also brought advanced cultures from ancient Greece, Rome, Europe, Persia, and ancient India to Central Asia. This is fundamentally different from Western and European colonizers.
@@waleed8530 The spread of religion does not necessarily mean prosperity. Do you think the Crusades and modern European colonization brought prosperity to the Middle East? Because the Arab Empire not only spread Islam, but also brought advanced cultures from ancient Greece, Rome, Europe, Persia, and ancient India to Central Asia. This is fundamentally different from Western and European colonizers.
I think that you disregarded the Tang campaigns against the western turkish kaghanate 640-648, these campaigns play major role in muslim conquests of the region, and the migration of multiple turkish tribe west and south
Just finished watching the vid in its entirety. What an epic video with its implications of such thundering knock on effects from a seemingly small irrelevant battle.
I've seen another video like this from K&G who also have great content but as always HM just do it better, the narration and background music just sets them apart, as well as the greater depth of historical detail, 1st class work guys 👌
Wow, what an amazing film Hollywood can make. Two technological different fighting cultures fighting. I have seen 'the great Wall of China ' but this would be amazing
@@xirvtالعرب كانوا اكرم القوم لكن كرم خلقهم لم يبني لهم امبراطوريات كالفرس والروم ومامالكهم القديمة لم تتجاوز الجزيرة العربية إذا جحدت دور الإسلام في صنع مجد العرب الذي اعترف به الصحابة الكرام بل وكبار كفار قريش قبل أن يضهر عليهم فلن تكون كافرا فحسب بل واحمق كذلك فالإسلام هو الذي جعل العرب يحكمون من الصين شرقا إلى فرنسا غربا ولما ترك العرب الإسلام والتصقوا بالقومية التي اخترعها النصارى صارت كل امم الأرض تحتلنا الاوروبيين والروس و الأمريكان والفرس والأتراك زد عليها الأقليات من روافض وعلوية ولأكراد والبربر والأقباط من يكرم الله فلا مذل له ومن يذل فلا معز له عزك من الله لا من نفسك ولا من الدم الذي يجري في عروقك فرحم الله من عرف قدر نفسه
@@karimmodewna2457 العرب هم من صنعوا الاسلام وجعلوا له مكانه والاسلام هو من اعطى العرب هدف للتوسع والانتشار ولو كان للعرب رغبه بالتوسع قبل الاسلام لنجحوا ويكفي انهم قضوا على جنرال من جنرالات اسكندر العظيم
@@xirvt الجزيرة العربية تحت الإحتلال الأمريكي اليوم وقواعدهم العسكرية منتشرة في كل اراضيها دخلها آل سعود بفتوة الإستعانة بالكفار على المسلمين وابو ايفانكا يدفعك الجزية وأنت صاغر عشان يحمي مؤخرتك من إيران واذنابها حتى حدود دويلتك اليوم ليس لها أي عمق تاريخي رسمها لك الإنجليز فهمت أنه من اذل الله فلن تجد له من معز؟؟
Karluks were Turkic tribe. Actually it seems like China made war against arabs. But in both armies most of the soldiers were Turkic origined. Turks were nomadic step hunters which made them most effective soldiers of medieval times.
معلومة .. ان هذه المعركة كانت سببا في انتشار صناعة الورق قلتها انا في الفيديو القديم فأضافها صاحب القناة في الفيديو الجديد .. تنويه الكثير من المصادر المعاصرة لتلك الفترة ذكروا ان الجيش الصيني كان اكثر عددا من المسلمين و ليس العكس
@@jasoncox7257 shut up chinese your learn history mongols killed million chinese and chinese in history man power not ?? You Chinese always had a lot of soldiers, you think we didn't know your war? and the chinese sent huge armies against muslims and muslims defeated most of them and you were nothing without russia on your side.
First battle between the two empires was Aksu 717, unfortunately much lesser known though of much larger dimension than the one at Talas as it involved a lot more Arab troops who were defeated by a much smaller Chinese force.
Battle of asku was just raid not pitch battle lead by umayyad garssion who bordered to china and 200k is fake numbers edited by nationlistic chinese account in wikipidia
The numbers given for the allied forces opposing the Tang at Aksu is likely as exaggerated as the numbers both sides gave for each other at Talas. Personally, I would divide that figure by 10x and assume that the allies actually fielded only 20,000 or so men; quite possibly similar in size to the Tang forces. If the mighty Tang would find the logistical issue of fielding more than 25,000 or so men in that region difficult, what makes you think the opposition would be able to raise a force many times greater? By the way, the reference given on the wikipedia page for Aksu claiming "200,000" doesn't even mention a number. The source it leads to just speaks in passing of the Battle of Aksu, but gives no figures for either side and glosses over the engagement completely. So, whoever put it on the wiki is either biased or just making up numbers without any credible source.
@@doritofeesh Who making 200k was edited by random account wikipidia named Aksai chin i looked most sources about battle of aksu numbers are unknown for both side
The most famous battle in the Tang Dynasty should be the war against the Turks commanded by Li Jing during the reign of Li Shimin. I think of they just like another Justinian and Belisarius. Li Shimin won the title of Tian Khan after this battle. This word represents the submission of the nomads to the emperor. Tian represents the sky, meaning Khan sent from heaven.
Much appreciated consolidation. It does seem that the Abbasid conquests were slowing down at both ends with Tours 8 years later stopping the westward expansion.
Love this history. If this channel did a video about Indian history I would sh*t a brick. The battles of tarrain is by far my favorite video. A deep dive into the Sikh, Mughal, Rajput and Marathas would be so amazing. The way this channel goes about telling the history stuns me every time. I've learned so much more about subjects I've studied my whole life than thought was possible. Hats off to the people that make these videos.
You could do a whole series about the tang empire and how far they expanded, I mean tang made it all the way to the moon which is crazy when you think about it
After many requests from you guys, I merged all parts of the Battle of Talas mini-series for easier viewing. I hope you'll enjoy the video and thank you so much for watching!
Our pleasure, this is peak material!
Thanks mate!
why so many ads? And why don't you place them in natural breaks instead of letting TH-cam put them wherever?
Ah this explain how I have watched it before.
Do a series on the war of the Spanish succession or the Russo-Turkish war of 1877-1878
Arabs in 8th century: "Caliph, are we going to fight the Wisigoths, the Eastern Romans, the Franks or the Chinese now?"
Caliph: *Yes.*
You forgot Indians, khazars,berbers,Turks and khazars
Zenata imazighen
Akbar imjahden
Tarik ibn Zaid
Maghrawaden
Al murabiteen
Al mohwahideen
Meriniden
Wattasiden
Abdelkarim khattabi
Omar mohtar
Mohamed amezian
Ibn battuta
The visigoten, vikings where destroyed by imazighen
And the also fight the franks etc
But Arabs nowadays are weak and their leaders are puppet... Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi tried to revive Arabs but the people who don't want unity of the Arabs and Muslims intervened and finished them through cons piracy and military
@@Ppoim stop spreading bullshits
The first three days of battle is basically a game of chess (first version of the battle). Both armies about equal, both flanked by a river and a mountain forcing a frontal confrontation, and both well commanded and led by smart generals.
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
@@ghostd69 ridicolous names that all sound the same
The main difference is the asians are just physically inferior
@@jaredbradley1796 china > u
@@lavozdelsur168ronic you say that but China still can’t make airplane engines 😂, only simple assembly of components already made in other countries.
Extent of caliphate was really magnificent, same empire fought against Franks and Chinese in same century.
Spanned from france to western china. Underrated (simply because most Christian's and westerners dont want to give credit or praise or recognition to an Islamic power) and the greatest empire and state of all time. Top 2 with rome and arguably better when you compare the odds both of them faced
@@kalajari1749 Does its really?
@@galihkumara1742 Does what really
Nah ottomans peak islam state
@@kalajari1749lol not the greatest empire or state of all time. Your rediculous.
As with any of the large empires of the ancient and medieval world, there comes a point where just can't push any further. The Romans dealt with that. The logistics, distances involved were too much an issue. There was also the question of stability. The Romans had their own revolts and civil wars. Not to mention threats from foreign attack. China in its long history has had many civil wars or prolonged periods where it wasn't under a single unified power. Tang Dynasty was one of China's great dynasties and even they had limits on how far they could reach. That they were able to send an army this far out into Central Asia is an accomplishment, but it's just too far to truly bring the weight of the empire to bear.
i personally think they matter in which these empires projected power is what limited them they often went with large armies occupying larger swaths of land. requiring complex, resource intensive and long supply chains. which put everything between point a and b at risk for raid or revolt or simply being bogged down.
i like small professional armies with massive navies. heavily fortify your core regions and only expand with your navy.
Exactly. It takes months just to resupply the frontline and with the limitation of communication technology, the generals/governors of the expedition forces could easily become the de facto king of their legion and region. It is just unrealistic to maintain control over a distant land in ancient time and there is little real incentive other than personal ambition of the aristocracy.
Those videos are just incredible. So well narrated, and well illustrated. It is so helpful to see the maps of where everything took place, and the battle unfold in real time. Gives a much better understanding of everything.
it's not well illustrated. The exact location of the battle isn't known so the map doesn't really tell or achieve anything other than to score some internet points.
Not well narrated. Virtually every single Chinese word idiotically mispronounced.
Comment for the algorithm!
This is my favorite history channel on youtube for both it's consistently exciting scripting and (though this is more subjective) it's stellar narration. Keep up the great work!
@HistoryMarche I Have no words for this video. Simply amazing and interesting animations. I am sure a lot of people learn something from this. Those battles we don't know are extra interesting. Love your content and keep on making content about battles in our history. I will thank you in the name of all your viewers that you indeed make amazing content. Oh and by the way you EARNED AN ACTIVE SUBSCRIBER.
It was widely recored right after Talas Chinese influence in Central Asia didn't really diminishes, China truely lost Central Asia afterwards from the An Lushan Rebellion, after that they were too weak to do any power projection and the whole menality of China changed from that point.
“The whole mentality of China changed afterwards” the caliphate influence expanded in that region because of this war hence why Turkic tribes starting adopting Islam hence Y the caliphate started the golden age
@@JonJamzy Tang power projection into Xinjiang and Central Asia was blocked by Tibetans. Most English sources miss the Tibetan aspect of this conflict between 3 powers (Arab, Tang, Tibetan).
After Battle of Talas River and An Lusha Rebellion, the Tibetans managed to come out ahead taking over Xinjiang from Tang. Tang and Abbasid eventually allied to counter the Tibetans. The Abbasid actually fought Tibetans in Transoxiana. (Wikipedia: Qingshui Treaty)
Also Talas only affected Western Turks in Central Asia. The Eastern Turks in Mongolia (Uyghur Khanate) had another 3-power conflict a century later with the Tang and Tibetans. (Wikipedia: Uyghur Khanate). This also blocked Tang power projection.
I'm so grateful to you for covering this battle. Talas is located in modern day Kyrgyzstan, where I am from. We have so many folkloric and epic tales which include Talas one way or another.
what does the folkloric and epic say about the battle ?
Brother what is the epic tales from your side
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
Very cool.
Please describe one folkloric tale.I am from Bangladesh.
Four years after this battle, the seven-year Anshi Rebellion occurred in the territory of the Tang Empire, which caused devastating war damage and lost a large number of people.
Islamic & Sinitic cultural competition over the region reemerged four centuries after this battle between the muslim Turkic dynasties and the Western Liao
Well, the Liao were not really Chinese. They were of the nomadic Qitan(I hope I spelt that correctly) tribes to China's north.
@@KaiHung-wv3ul They were ethnic Khitans but patronized Sinitic culture
You are an interesting figure I must say. Having encountered you on many different occasions in these comment sections, I felt compelled to write to you. I must say that I admire your passion and your hunger for knowledge.
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
@@ghostd69 stop spamming, you shia freak 😅
Yes! Love your compilations! They are incredible!🎉🎉🎉
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
I'm loving the more spherical map style you use on this channel - the shift at 7:45 from central asia back to the mid-east really made me feel like I was moving along a globe.
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
@@ghostd69 you need to use punctuation, i had to go to the hospital after reading that
Very few people know about this battle, but it changed the course of history.
All battles change the course of history.
@@samsonsoturian6013 Well not exactly all the battles, but specific battles. The ones which prove decisive in either winning a war or significantly causing political changes. This one The Battle of Talas was a decisive battle. The Tang Dynasty was at its peak, and almost immediately after the defeat had to deal with an internal rebellion, thus it was never able to expand westward as they had planned, leaving China in a position where it would become vulnerable to Mongol Invasion 200 years later, plus paper was introduced to the islamic civilization. So it really was a decisive battle.
@@klaudioabazi4478 Any murder forever changes the lineage of humanity. Different people making different choices. It doesn't matter which fool is in charge.
@Samson Soturian you're being too pedantic
@@samsonsoturian6013 Well yes. I was just speaking about the nature of decisive battles, and the way in which they affect civilization.
You guys should definitely do the Mongol invasion of Jin and the Song. The Jin almost destroyed 50,000mongols in an encirclement but got double encircled. There song defence of diaoyu city was also textbook siege defense.
_Long live Song Dynasty!_
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Ta'i who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu khoursani according to most sources agreed it according historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
They also killed a Khan with early cannon
@@anneramsey4655 很大程度上毁灭了蒙古帝国。
@@anneramsey4655 That khan is Mongke Khan, who is the biggest contributor to the territory of the Mongol Empire. Many people are unaware of this.
I loved how you coloured their region, matching the colour of their banner. They were Abbadassids!
Boys back then had all the T-shirts and gear saying, "You better thank the Caliphate, or you'd be speaking Chinese right now!" That was popular back in the 800s.
Spears were like Tomahawk missiles back then. They rained unexpectedly and with GPS precision - down to few meters. They were made of composite materials - wood, rope, flint, iron. Technologically a thousand years ahead of time. Spearmen could jump 50 feet in the air propelling through the medium by doing bicycle movements with knees and feet and throw spears from above as well as below. This was unmatched for a thousand years.
感谢 视频作者 了解一段精彩的历史
The real results of Talas battle was the gradual conversion of the Turks to Islam,whom took the torch and the banner from the Arabs in the leadership of the Islamic world, and did a HECK of a job. Establishing a magnificent Islamic empires throughout the world,starting with the Seljuk empire,followed by the Khawarizmi empire, ended with the magnificent Ottoman Empire
Some of us think also arabization started, assimilation of central asian culture into semitic culture, first semi nomadic horse archers became mercenaries used as pawn btw rome and jeruselam clashes. Then sacrifices were made for Istanbul, challenger for the CAPITAL of GOD among Rome, Acheen, Avignon.
Arabization is worst thing happen to an country. Now central asia is suffering from 7tu century culture
@@vengadesank6988 There's no Arab culture in Central Asia. Islam =\= Arab.
@@vengadesank6988 better than your lgbtq nonsense culture
@@vengadesank6988suoerpooper saar
Wish I could play a Total War campaign for this, this is quite exciting. Imagine playing the Muslim Civil War on the side of Abbasids and another campaign as the Chinese to subjugate as many territories as possible in the 3 year span before the Abassids muster a counter attack after they won the Civil War.
I had no idea but read about it in Guerres & Histoire, probably the best History magazine in french language. Hail to Colonel Goya, the creator of the magazine and many very interesting books and articles.
Would love to see more content on China in the future! Maybe something from the Han dynasty or 3 kingdoms period?
This geographic area is so often overlooked in western history, it's to refreshing to watch a video on it. Really good stuff!
Proudly those are my ancestors. While conquering central asia, at the same time the arabs have already conquered Iberian Peninsula and were marching towards France.
Thier legacy remains till today and forever; language, alphabet, and most importantly Islam.
Underrated battle. More people should know about it.
There is a mistake in abbssid revolt narrated by historymarchee abu muslim didn't mainly lead revolt and deeply marching in that far, as he was only captured merv and stayed at khoursan during abbasid revolt,it was Qahtaba ibn Shabib al Tai who played a big role in taking over entirely khoursan and iran leading expedition aganist umayyad, in battle of zab it was lead by aballah ibn ali not abu muslim as most sources agreed it according to historians al tabari and ibn khalkan and ibn kathir it was mainly lead by abdallah no mention of abu muslim
You can say that about most battles
Nah, Battle of Talas was an overly exaggerated battle, more like a big random skirmish which change nothing at all.
@@weirdno.1uniqueno.173 Stop coping, you guys cry when we say the same about the Battles of Tours.
@@Alex-tx2em No, battle of Tours had nothing to do with Talas. The fact is that the so called islamic sources came 400+ years to 500+ years after the Battle of Talas happened, while the Chinese documents were filed by the Anxi region governor after the battle itself.
The Anxi region government had all the data about the troops and everything, while the islamic history about the battle which were written roughly half a millennia later were based on various oral traditions and legends, hence the story telling like nature with religious propaganda. While the Chinese history about the Battle of Talas was compiled by from the documents produced by the government that worked in Anxi region, it was the first earliest primary sources about the battle itself.
Even the famous al-tabari who was born roughly almost half a century after Battle of Talas didn't even mention a single thing about the battle, if it was so important, nothing will be left out. Just like Chinese historical sources that only gave a single sentence about the battle which show how unimportant it was. And in fact, the "Middle Tang" power only grew in western Central Asia after the Battle of Talas and reached its peak in early 755. I'm not even mentioning the inaccuracies of the islamic history about the Battle of Talas that can be debunked away.
The Battle of Talas river changed nothing, at most it gave the transfer of paper to the west, but even this is debatable. The area around the Talas river was still in Chinese hand after the battle itself, not in abbasid possession, the Chinese withdrew only when a civil war broke out in year 755. And the caliphate didn't even have real power around there, it was later taken by Tibetans and after that by the Turks.
If there was only significant thing about the Battle of Talas was that the battle managed to get the caliphate out of precarious situation before the battle as those kingdoms in western Central Asia were always rebellious from the beginning of the caliphate control.
I remember us covering this at my highschool history class in Turkey verbally. Having this visualised in such a way pictures the occasion in a clearer way which I appreciate @HistoryMarche
The reason why China pays attention to this area is that Turks may unite with Tubo to attack China. When the Turks had no influence, the Chinese emperor sent troops to occupy half of the territory of Korea. The Eastern War ended, and the Tibetan Kingdom sent troops to occupy China's affiliated states. The Chinese people failed in the war against Tibet, which led to the rebellion of the Turks and the establishment of the country. When China defeated the Turks again, the Tibetan army was also suppressed by China. But Tubo is still very powerful. During the war, China had 10 powerful legions. There is only one legion in Central Asia. The other four were used to suppress Tibet and its affiliated states in Yunnan. Two of them were used to monitor the Uighurs and other Turks who surrendered to China, and two were used to monitor the subordinate Khitans. A legion used to prevent the Chinese people from rebelling against themselves
Can you do research on the last fortress of Song dynasty against the mongol invasion? It is written in such epic way that it withstand mongol invasion for several decades and even cost a death of Great Khan. Later on when the fortress finally fell, the last government member of Song dynasty escape to the boat but got boarded by Mongol. So a government member decide to throw the emperor of Song dynasty (a young boy) into the river just so mongol cannot capture him.
The Song prime minister tied the young emperor to himself and jumped into water to suicide.
Thanks for you hard work HM!
I'm Kazakh, this battle is talked and tackled a lot in our history books because it is a cornerstone and a turning point in our history. The fate of whole region of Central Asia was defined by it and we eventually became Muslim and not Buddhist. Thanks God to that. We still have a city of Taraz near the river Talas and the word talas itself means "battle" or "fight", so for us Talas battle sounds a bit funny
If you became a Buddhist, you would also thank the Buddha. Of course, you may also be grateful that you are an atheist. This is what history does to humanity
Abrahamic religions belong to the Mediterranean, and Buddhist philosophy and practices (meditation) were copied from Taoism/Chinese folk religions. Turks should honor their true ancestors and their shamanic roots (whether with tengrism or other free spirituality).
Who cares if you are Kazakh? It happened in Kyrgyzstan
Welcome bro, and don't bother with the zionist/nazi comments above
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The Battle of Talas was truly a clash of civilisations which changed the course of history and is the reason why the majority of Central Asia is muslim today.
The Battle of Talas changed nothing, the mid Tang power actually strengthen during this and reach its peak in early 755, four years after the battle took place. It was more of like a quite big random skirmish without any consequences, the battle was started and just an extension of the quarrel between Tashkent and Ferghana.
Western Central Asia didn't become muslim dominated area after this, islam manage to spread slowly but quite steady in those place was when Karluk Turks began to convert to islam as their religion between 900 c.e. to 1000 c.e., while most of Eastern Central Asia still remain mostly out of islamic reach. And Eastern Central Asia only became majority muslims during 15th to 16th century, and islam is wearing off now in Eastern Central Asia, as people become far more educated and becoming secular, also a portion of those returning to their native religion of Tengrism, Shamanism and even Buddhism which is actually a sign of very good thing.
And if you're talking about the clash of civilizations which didn't actually happened, then you may add that the earlier ummayad caliphate was beaten by the Tang and by Tang vassal, the Turgish, and the abbasid was also beaten numerous time by Tang allies and vassals and by Tibetan Empire as well.
It also changed the history of the Middle East. Centuries later, Islamicized Turks will come to rule the Middle East until the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
@@weirdno.1uniqueno.173 no one asked for your analysis American boy, your country didn’t exist during all of this, your country doesn’t have a history
@@weirdno.1uniqueno.173 Really hope to see Central Asia will start embracing their ancestors belief from Buddhism, Tengrism, Shamanism where they should be proud of their belief not the Arabic belief who have invaded them ....
@@areebachewa8318 They will need a lot of neutral educations on the matters and an introductions to their lost roots, because as i'd seen now in virtually every islamic dominated countries whether the respective countries practiced the sharia law or not, especially when the government support or at least too tolerate islam to some ridiculous extent, it is always hard for the people who practiced their native believes and cultures to express themselves freely, so for people who had become muslims and lived in majority muslims countries, the chance is very low for them to turn back to their roots, due to government or islamic organizations interferences.
But for people who migrated to non muslim dominated countries, it will be much easier, with a good educations and logical thinking, i'd seen lots of former muslims or christians who abandoned their faiths when they were exposed to their illogical religious texts.
As time passes, i believe when people are getting more educated and becoming smarter, their chance for leaving abrahamic faiths will be much higher.
I am glad that HistoryMarche is briefly going back to Asian history/battles. Not many channels (excluding Baz Battles & hints of Ks&Gs) cover the Asian theatre beyond WW1/WW2.
I know many viewers are demanding & pressuring HistoryMarche to do more Hannibal, but you got to understand that many channels need to branch out to increase traffic, relevance, and reputation. Be patient. They will work & release the next Hannibal video.
BazBattles is a god sent
Kings and Generals do Asia.
@@Khookies-lp2lu indeed it is.
@@edwardkim8972 Ks & Gs have their pros and cons regarding videos. Not to mention in the past, they have been called out by viewers regarding the sources/missed creditable pieces of events they used in their content. K&Gs is more in tune with covering the modern era of events versus the ancient past.
I am more aligned with either Baz Battles, HistoryMarche, and other channels that get overshadowed by bigger channels like EPTV and Kings & Generals, which have millions of subscribers. They all are good in their own fields.
@SolidAvenger yeah, but at least they cover East Asia.
It's great that you detail the different accounts. A very responsible approach to history.
Keep up the great work, i hope to see more videos about non western nations. 🎉😊
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@@Fallout3131 cry
@@QuintusFabiusMaximusVerr-vf9sb Nice one kiddo, ill get you a toy sword to go with your Roman cosplay nerd.
@@Fallout3131 bro this kid really thinks everything revolves around the west, the rest of the world has history as well, im not saying the west has bad history, but y'all dont need pretend the rest of the world was stone age barbarians 2000 years ago, look at the islamic golden age and the ancient chinese and Indian civilisations, europe back then was a cold, poor and unjust place stuck in the stone age. Also at least im not called ryan you little white npc
The perfection and the skill of the narrator the quality of the videos everything is perfect I m just in love with your videos
Thank you so much 😀
The key to understand the astonishing Arab conquest is by understanding Islam and its impact on them as a nation , the progressive conquest was sustained by locals converting into Islam.
Video ends in Tibetan empire push into tang territory leading to capture of tang capital xian by Tibetan empire 763.
Also sending 2 princess to Tibet and signing peace treaty with Tibet.
Has Pilars in both capital stating “Tibetans r happy in Tibet and Chinese r happy in China”
Thanks guys!
That's a great video!!
I think it would be more informative if it was mentioned that:
- Umayyad fled to the west of the caliphate and start their rule in Al-Andalus (modern-day Spain and Portugal) which is why the Abbasid focused their effort on the east.
- The meeting between the Umayyad general Qutaibah and the emperor of China.
- How this small battle affects us more than we would think. For example, People in the Middle East and Europe used to write on papyrus, but history books remember that in this battle the Abbasids captured some Chinese soldiers. These soldiers leaked the secrets of making paper, which paved the way for what is later known as the golden age of Islam and the European Renaissance. (It's already there, my bad!)
- How the Chinese Muslims, known as Hui people formed with marriage between Arabs, Persians, and Chinese.
- The story of the first mosque built in China Huaisheng Mosque just before this battle.
- Name of several books written by both ethnicities about each other. There is one about a Chinese man who lived in Kufa for 20 years!
It's sad what the CCP is doing to Muslims and Christians in China.
Umayyad general never met the emperor of china. Hui community of china was largely due to Arab and Iranian male and female marrying into Chinese populace. So the hui are a product of marriage rather than conversion
mashallah! that is so cool!
@@VicmundLim male and FEMALE? I highly doubt it. I mean as far as i know back then the only type of groups who brave enough to ventured far beyond their geographical sphere of influences were non other than the reckless Merchants. And most, if not all of the merchants back in the day were all Dudes.
So the most likely real scenario were like this =
The brave and adventurous (and probably also h**ny) male MidEastern merchants of various religions (yes, there were Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians as well in whoms also into trading in China), got permission to marry the local ladies.
@@reteguy7338 yes there are records of foreign female merchants in china. You don't know need permission to marry someone. You just court or woo them
Qutayba ibn Muslim 2nd greatest muslim general who won more than 200 major battles
Can you do a series on the An Lushan rebellion, which happened just a few years after Talas, and killed a larg portion of the world population, almost as much people as WW1 by some estimates, and led to the decline of the Tang Empire.
++, the video I would like too)
And in the rebellion, the most decisive battle of Jixiangsi
Sure!!! Yeah, I have no idea about that. You definitely piked my curiosity.
非我族类其心比异😢，1000多年前han chinese就证明了这一点。
@@alexanderchenf1 你不是智人，你是尼安德特人。😂
love the content!
This was a great video since I never heard anything about this battle, you should do a video on the Tibetan empire since I haven't seen too many TH-cam channels cover them .
It means the Islamic empire defeat the Roman, Persian, China, India, and also the Western Europe, Spain and Portiuguese
Yeah its very cool of their reach however i argue that with the romans, persians and iberians that they where already weakend from war so the arab attacks where the final nail i think if the sassanids or romans where at full strength we would not know of these events as they would have been kurb stomped
Not really
@@pigman6420 The first caliphate fought with persian romans nubian and ethopians. All of them had strong armies. Especially persians and romans. Thier general had war experience better equiped soldiers with armours and the rashidun caliphate did not have any properly organized army and the generals did not have experience of leading much larger armies but thier faith was too strong and thier intelligence have given brilliant generals in the history of world
Kahlid ibn Walid
Saad ibn abi waqas
Abu Ubaida
These three are my favrouite generals from rashidun caliphate
Carlos martel:😂😂
@@ChillScare_Chroniclesit’s not really the intelligence of the Muslims that made them fanatical zealots who fought with a zeal that was not found in normal armies. Like how ISIS was such a menace even though the world superpowers were fighting it.
Kashmir, Khotan, Turk Shahi kingdoms played a massive role fighting Arabs and Tibetans by allying with Tang Dynasty.
Lalitaditya Muktapida of Kashmir and Phromo Kaesaro of Turk Shahis were Heroes in these wars.
Important to know how deep are roots of today's geopolitical situation in Central Asia.
Wtf I never knew China and a caliphate had a war. This notified me on my phone at work and I've been giddy to watch it all day and I must say Soo worth it. Great video
The strong historical relations between China Arabs and Muslims overcame this clash and made the Abbasids diminish this victory.
In the end, the Turks are the beneficiaries of this battle, not the victorious party (the Abbasids).
The Chinese general Gao xian zhi was ethnically korean. korean name is Go Sun-ji. decendent of Goguryeo dynasty. and family name 'Go' was Goguryeo king's family name.
Great vid on a very important War, & the effects!
Freedom for Palestine and Gaza and Kashmir und Turkestan and Africa not just Ukraine
kaboom snackbar police be upon him
Allah be with you
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel
@@user-mv6yv9ec1b but not for long
@@user-mv6yv9ec1b in their zionist dreams maybe but in reality even crows know you're invaders who are killing and extorting the majority of isralites who were never chased away by the romans and remained there and some of them converted to christianity, islam, and adopted arabic.
while the few isralites who were chased away were mostly living within the roman empire and moved to muslim ruled territories to avoid christians bad treatment towards the jews and those people are the arab jews because they too adopted arabic and majority of them adopted Islam.
but somehow white europeans and americans and a few black african jews claim that land as theirs just because they're jews when the real isralites are either the ones who were living in the islamic world or the ones who remained in jerusalem and converted to christianity or reverted to Islam and somehow they're accused of not being from those lands because they adopted arabic while white people from europe and america and black people from africa claim they are the right owners of those lands which is ridiculous to say the least.
y'all killed and extorted your own brothers simply because they adapted to the changes of history while most of you are fake jews to say the least.
I am grateful for the victory in the Battle of Talas. This victory gave us Central Asia, some much needed strong Turkic soldiers, and PAPER TECH. This was when Muslims could finally spearhead the academic revolution in our Caliphate.
In the Chinese speaking world this Battle is usually barely a footnote if that(Aksu even more so), with the main point being the introduction of paper into the west and th Islamic world. I guess it was vastly overshadowed by the following An Lushan rebellion, and the slow painful death of the Tang that followed. Interesting how different civilizations look at a same event through different perspectives.
@@KaiHung-wv3ul This battle is important as it helped Muslims reestablish control in central asia leading to conversion to Islam of the Region and of Turkic tribes from the steppes that came into contact with the Islamic Central asia.
Had Muslim lost this battle, central asia would be devoid of Muslim influence. Jeopardizing the conversion of the Important Turkic tribes like Seljuk, Khawarzm, Oghuz Ottomans, Ghaznavids and even Mongolian elite that accepted Islam after ruling the central asia. Timur, Mughals ......
@@muhammadadeel8639 A nice dream. Unfortunately Islam reached the region
@@muhammadadeel8639 something is fishy though. Why did most hadith collectors come from this region and not from Saudia Arabia? Eg the oldest hadith collector, Bukhari, was from Bukhara. How come?
@@hagalhagal9989 Not True!
The 4 Imams of Jurisprudence all came from Arabian Peninsula and were Arabs. They were the first Hadith Collectors Too!
All born in late Umayyad and early Abbasid period (8th century)
Malik - In Medina
Shafi - In Gaza
Hanifa - In Iraq
Hanbal - In Iraq
Later in early 9th century came the six Hadith collectors (Sihah-Sitta). All were of Persian Muslim origin.
Bukhari - Bukhara, Uzbekistan
Muslim - Neshapur, Iran
Ibn Majah - Qazvin, Iran
Abu dawud - Sistan, Iran
Al-Nasai - Nisa, Turkemenistan
Al-Tirmidhi - Termez, Uzbekistan
So 3 came from Iran and 3 from Central Asia. This is becasue Abbasid revolution came from Eastern Iran and Khorasan. Leading to more Economic and Scholarly development in those cities.
What's more interesting is that after the outbreak of the An-shi Rebellion, Abbasid Arabia sent troops to aid Tang China.
Informative and clearly explained historical coverage video that new political, military footage of ( umayadd & Abassed) in Central Asia which caused ejection of Chinese empire dominant & weaknesses on Central Asia...it was a decisive introduction for violent emigration of Turkish, Turkmen & Mongolian tribe's to MiddleEast and eastern Europe ...(History Marche) Channel always introduces an excellence historical episode's like this one 8:21
China's own records say 10,000 Tang heavy infantry and 20,000 nomadic power cavalry.
One of the nomadic tribes in Tang's sphere of influence defected and attacked the rear of the army.
Karluks 葛逻禄 which is the uyghurs today
@@太守苏定交趾 no they were the Turks who later accepted Islam
那不是游牧骑兵，那是仆从军他们叛变了
Largest European Medieval Battle: estimated 40-70 thousand men in the field
Regular Chinese army 700 years earlier: half a milion.
Bruh
Sui dynasty before Tang there reinforces conscripts to invade Korea you know that about 2M people omggg
that's the entire military though. Still pretty good
looks almost like tang empire had 50 times the population of an average sized kingdom of europe...😂
Its so weird learning that the Abbasid caliphate and tang dynasty fought against each other.
It's so random it's like hearing "Sweden went to war with Jamaica!"
Great part of human history. This battle bring paper to Europe
This battle is important as it helped Muslims re-establish control in central asia leading to conversion to Islam of the Region and of Turkic tribes from the steppes that came into contact with the Islamic Central asia.
Had Muslim lost this battle, Central Asia would be devoid of Muslim influence. Jeopardizing the conversion of the extremely Important Turkic tribes like Seljuk, Khawarzm, Oghuz Ottomans, Ghaznavids, Ghurids, Mamlukes and even Mongolian elite that accepted Islam after ruling the central asia. Timur, Mughals ......
And since then that region is ruined
@@robertleon4323 The Region kept flourishing until Mongol invasion in 1221. Mongols committed a Genocide in central asia (25% population killed) and all major cities destroyed.
Islam stayed but the region remained under Mongol successors till 1900 when Russia/Communism took over.
Islam came to region in 700s and from 700 to 1200 was Golden age of Central asia.
Though Mongols became Muslim but they remained war-like and not developed economy.
@@robertleon4323 Just like Andalusia, central Asia flourished and entered the golden age after the reach of the Islamic influence.
@@muhammadadeel8639 The spread of religion does not necessarily mean prosperity. Do you think the Crusades and modern European colonization brought prosperity to the Middle East?
Because the Arab Empire not only spread Islam, but also brought advanced cultures from ancient Greece, Rome, Europe, Persia, and ancient India to Central Asia.
This is fundamentally different from Western and European colonizers.
@@waleed8530 The spread of religion does not necessarily mean prosperity. Do you think the Crusades and modern European colonization brought prosperity to the Middle East?
Because the Arab Empire not only spread Islam, but also brought advanced cultures from ancient Greece, Rome, Europe, Persia, and ancient India to Central Asia.
This is fundamentally different from Western and European colonizers.
thank you for uploading, this looks amazing!
I freaking love you videos. Especially your maps. Battle maps.
Tang Army: "All your base are belong to us!"
Ziyad army: "Not quite"
The Wilhelm screams are such a nice touch😅
I think that you disregarded the Tang campaigns against the western turkish kaghanate 640-648, these campaigns play major role in muslim conquests of the region, and the migration of multiple turkish tribe west and south
Great info and story telling, thank you
The clash of two early medieval superpowers which changed forever Central Asia.
Just finished watching the vid in its entirety. What an epic video with its implications of such thundering knock on effects from a seemingly small irrelevant battle.
I've seen another video like this from K&G who also have great content but as always HM just do it better, the narration and background music just sets them apart, as well as the greater depth of historical detail, 1st class work guys 👌
Great work. Central Asia played a very pivotal role in medieval times. Glad you are covering it.
Well done
AS ALWAYS WHAT A GREAT CONTENT THANK YOU!
Transoxiana is called "Mavoraunnahr" in Arabic language
Wow, you guys outdid ourselves yet again. Amazing video.
Wow, what an amazing film Hollywood can make.
Two technological different fighting cultures fighting.
I have seen 'the great Wall of China ' but this would be amazing
Er that movie was real shit. I'm surprised anyone liked it
Awesome video !! Well done once again
Greetings from Kyrgyzstan🇰🇬 . Thank you for enlightening
thank you guys
Would love to see you do the battles of the era of the three kingdoms based on the historical accounts and not the romanticised version.
thank you for saying the truth without religious feelings
Excellent work. greeting from Saudi Arabia.
Imagine reliving this battle on Medieval 3 Total War
ما أروع الاسلام بها علت قيمة العرب و كانوا قوة عظمى به وبدونه عادو للجاهلية و الذل
العرب قبل الاسلام كانوا اكرم القوم وكانت هناك ممالك عظيمة بالجزيرة العربية لمن متاكد انك مستعرب فاشل ولاجئ
@@xirvtالعرب كانوا اكرم القوم لكن كرم خلقهم لم يبني لهم امبراطوريات كالفرس والروم ومامالكهم القديمة لم تتجاوز الجزيرة العربية إذا جحدت دور الإسلام في صنع مجد العرب الذي اعترف به الصحابة الكرام بل وكبار كفار قريش قبل أن يضهر عليهم فلن تكون كافرا فحسب بل واحمق كذلك فالإسلام هو الذي جعل العرب يحكمون من الصين شرقا إلى فرنسا غربا ولما ترك العرب الإسلام والتصقوا بالقومية التي اخترعها النصارى صارت كل امم الأرض تحتلنا الاوروبيين والروس و الأمريكان والفرس والأتراك زد عليها الأقليات من روافض وعلوية ولأكراد والبربر والأقباط من يكرم الله فلا مذل له ومن يذل فلا معز له عزك من الله لا من نفسك ولا من الدم الذي يجري في عروقك فرحم الله من عرف قدر نفسه
@@karimmodewna2457 العرب هم من صنعوا الاسلام وجعلوا له مكانه والاسلام هو من اعطى العرب هدف للتوسع والانتشار ولو كان للعرب رغبه بالتوسع قبل الاسلام لنجحوا ويكفي انهم قضوا على جنرال من جنرالات اسكندر العظيم
@@karimmodewna2457 ويخصوص الاحتلال انت تقصد المستعربين وليس اهل الجزيرة العربية
@@xirvt الجزيرة العربية تحت الإحتلال الأمريكي اليوم وقواعدهم العسكرية منتشرة في كل اراضيها دخلها آل سعود بفتوة الإستعانة بالكفار على المسلمين وابو ايفانكا يدفعك الجزية وأنت صاغر عشان يحمي مؤخرتك من إيران واذنابها حتى حدود دويلتك اليوم ليس لها أي عمق تاريخي رسمها لك الإنجليز فهمت أنه من اذل الله فلن تجد له من معز؟؟
Excelente documentário como sempre.
So Turks determined the outcome and then became muslim and later they wanted to spread Islam themselves...like "give me that banner!"
@pmssssss
Good explanation👍👍
Super interesting, thanks for this video!!!
i dont understand how you make these amazing maps, like they're so good!
From my understanding theses channels buy the maps, the text and the voice over lol
Well done! All hail the Algorithm! Cheers from Tennessee
You promised us to do Uhud battle...
Uhud is nearly complete.
@@HistoryMarche 🔥🔥🔥
this battle is what caused all of Central Asia to become Muslim. Alhamdulillah for the victory of the Abbasid Caliphate.
And now under Russias influence 🤣
@@kayvan671But still Muslims, now cry...
@@History_Teller1250
Still not independent from Russia
And never will be 🤣
The logistics of moving armies across these vast distances with the roads, technology and communications of the time must have been grueling.
Happy that Tibetan Empire is in this video as an tibetan this is evidence that we r not those han chinese 👊
You were a great powerful empire a rival to the Chinese
Everyone knows that Tibet is not Chinese territory, even we Arabs know that 🤷🏻♂️
Karluks were Turkic tribe. Actually it seems like China made war against arabs. But in both armies most of the soldiers were Turkic origined. Turks were nomadic step hunters which made them most effective soldiers of medieval times.
معلومة .. ان هذه المعركة كانت سببا في انتشار صناعة الورق قلتها انا في الفيديو القديم فأضافها صاحب القناة في الفيديو الجديد .. تنويه الكثير من المصادر المعاصرة لتلك الفترة ذكروا ان الجيش الصيني كان اكثر عددا من المسلمين و ليس العكس
你會這麼說。 穆斯林比唐多得多。 你怎麼敢？
@@jasoncox7257 shut up chinese your learn history mongols killed million chinese and chinese in history man power not ??
You Chinese always had a lot of soldiers, you think we didn't know your war? and the chinese sent huge armies against muslims and muslims defeated most of them and you were nothing without russia on your side.
@@jasoncox7257 The commander of the Tang army was Prince Hu of Korea. How did this person fail to defeat the Persian Arab army
@@عليياسر-ذ5ب Bro what are you talking about persian arab!!!! it was arab caliphate
@@ANAN-er8rg The army was mostly Persians because of Abu Muslim Khorasani
First battle between the two empires was Aksu 717, unfortunately much lesser known though of much larger dimension than the one at Talas as it involved a lot more Arab troops who were defeated by a much smaller Chinese force.
Battle of asku was just raid not pitch battle lead by umayyad garssion who bordered to china and 200k is fake numbers edited by nationlistic chinese account in wikipidia
The numbers given for the allied forces opposing the Tang at Aksu is likely as exaggerated as the numbers both sides gave for each other at Talas. Personally, I would divide that figure by 10x and assume that the allies actually fielded only 20,000 or so men; quite possibly similar in size to the Tang forces. If the mighty Tang would find the logistical issue of fielding more than 25,000 or so men in that region difficult, what makes you think the opposition would be able to raise a force many times greater?
By the way, the reference given on the wikipedia page for Aksu claiming "200,000" doesn't even mention a number. The source it leads to just speaks in passing of the Battle of Aksu, but gives no figures for either side and glosses over the engagement completely. So, whoever put it on the wiki is either biased or just making up numbers without any credible source.
@@doritofeesh
Who making 200k was edited by random account wikipidia named Aksai chin i looked most sources about battle of aksu numbers are unknown for both side
@@ghostd69 why would someone do that I wonder why
@@Vincenture
It was chinese guy who is mad because they lost battle of talas so want raise up numbers of army in asku by giving them randomly 200k
Great video as always. The sferic map was a nice touch.
The most famous battle in the Tang Dynasty should be the war against the Turks commanded by Li Jing during the reign of Li Shimin. I think of they just like another Justinian and Belisarius. Li Shimin won the title of Tian Khan after this battle. This word represents the submission of the nomads to the emperor. Tian represents the sky, meaning Khan sent from heaven.
Much appreciated consolidation. It does seem that the Abbasid conquests were slowing down at both ends with Tours 8 years later stopping the westward expansion.
For the algorithm!
So awesome to see this area of history covered! I admit i know very little about it ❤
Love this history. If this channel did a video about Indian history I would sh*t a brick. The battles of tarrain is by far my favorite video. A deep dive into the Sikh, Mughal, Rajput and Marathas would be so amazing. The way this channel goes about telling the history stuns me every time. I've learned so much more about subjects I've studied my whole life than thought was possible. Hats off to the people that make these videos.
India is not of international level
That's where we come in. By the Indians, for the Indians, of the Indians.
@@gandaberunda6267 What did you mean?
No one cares about indian history
Bro these videos are becoming cooler and better I seriously learn a lot from it I love it so much I wish you the best of luck making this!!!😊😊❤❤🎉🎉
You could do a whole series about the tang empire and how far they expanded, I mean tang made it all the way to the moon which is crazy when you think about it
actually, their garrisons reached as far as the Volga River, I guess, after crushing the Western Turkic kaganate
@@artemo.shapovaloff5577 pretty sure tang made it to the moon my dude