Andrew i have been driving Troppies around the world for nearly 40 years and I have a couple of comments I hope are useful. The first with regards to water tanks, you can buy off the shelf 90 litre tank to go under the vehicle in front of the rear axle drivers side. Water tanks inside will always raise your CoG and take up plenty of room but i did find them necessary when i was in the Artic and Northern Russia. If you do decide that across the back of the seats is your preference make it as two tanks with fills from inside each door, then you can have water you are not sure about in another tank and used for showers and washing etc. Careful when working out head heights with the standard roof because the bed on the converted roof comes down lower. one reason why people generally have the awning on the left is because the other side has the larger door to walk around and then quite often a spare wheel an a separate swing out
Well said michael re water tanks. I had my troopie set up so i could simply get into bed without popping the roof in really bad weather. 90litre tank and had interior as light as possible. Im really enjoying this build! Heck i might sell the dual cab and jump back into a troopie before they stop making them
My first thoughts as a Troopy owner were the same as yours regarding doors and water tanks. Long ranger do a 100 litre underneath tank that is not advertised I’m pretty sure
Thank you for sharing this part of the build. Previous builds have not shown as much detail here. It is great to hear the thought process behind the final design.
An idea on the water tank, Longranger (through ARB) make a 50L under-body tank for the troopy that sits in front of the rear diff. This is half the 100L you are aiming for and would reduce the amount of space taken up inside the cab, with the redundancy of a second tank. Great stuff so far looking forward to see the build!
If needed, split the tank behind the seats to have your backup if one leaks. Perhaps 60 liter and 40 liter (or some similar combination) - two separate tanks, both behind the seats.
3 d scanner and do a mock up then you definitely can sort out to use every bit of room and make it out of aluminium less weight and more room 2.5 aluminium versus 12 mm timber all adds up Great video keep up the good work
@4xoverland I’m absolutely loving this series. All of your Troopy builds have been so inspiring, and the idea of a kit is so exciting. Working on bringing a 75 Troopy to the US so I’ll be watching closely for updates on the kits! Thank you for all of these amazing videos Andrew!
If you have not spotted one yet, plenty Troopies in Central America. Some are not ex-ambulances. Don't bother with Costa Rica they are too expensive here.
@@mud-dust In my 78, thats gonna be a real pain spun facing rear as there is no well to sink down my feet in. The seat is barely above the floorpan as it sits now
Loving the extra detail and talked through planning. All the talks we usually have with ourselves, and a few extra ideas and thoughts to keep in mind too
Hey Andrew, I've been following your TH-cam channel for several years now. I totally enjoy your content and I have learned so much. I have a comment and a question, All of your builds turn out super awesome but seem to entail similar design complexities to support the "minimal amenities". I get the impression from some of your comments that you are striving for simplicity, yet the builds usually all end up with the same bells and whistles. This is not a criticism by any means. You are truly the master of 4x4 overland builds. My question is, have you considered just taking your new troopy, adding some better tires and just carry the bare necessities like jugs of water, food and a mattress in the back? I can't help but feel that you have a desire to get back to your roots when you began this journey. Thanks
Good points! Basic comfort for long trips (plus some camera and fishing gear) and striving to keep things minimal and lightweight are a very challenging trade off!
I have always run my awning off the drivers side (although the majority run on the near side} as I find while camping you always want to access the divers seat for personal poccesions, keys , ignition etc. It also keeps the awning away from trees while passing oncoming cars on a tight track.
I've said it quite a few times on your videos, but I'm glad you're working with someone who also understands the importance of seat heights in the living space, albeit from a different viewpoint. If you build your seat up to window height in a Troopy for extra storage, irrespective of the roof configuration, it's too high for long term comfort for most people. Definitely make a backrest with internal support & if it's made to the right size, it can actually form the bed rather than having a separate section purely for that function 👍
Awnings typically work better on drivers side while camping noting discussion time 11:50 regarding awning - i suggest awnings should be on drivers side: often overlooked is the ratio of camp set ups in the afternoon vs morning and the shading requirements to access the rear in shade. if awning is on drivers side and you face north, rear is in shade with sun overhead going down on passenders side (drivers side including rear is shaded and continues to be so with elongating shade as sun changes angle) the opposite occurs if seeking shade with awning on the passengers side. To get shade on a stop (after noon), you must park south facing hence rear access to vehicle will be in sun). parking facing north also enables Photovoltaics to charge when camper is up etc.... strongly suggest awning be installed on drivers side or conversely install two (not needed IMO). note: sun is not as harsh generally untill 11 ish am after that shade is a must as the day heats up...using the car as a shade wall from 12pm on is way more comfortable and no need to be mooving the car to angle additional shade into usable area you have quadroupled usable shade: i will concede the car doesent look as cool to the kurbside observer but not many of them out bush... this does not apply to vehicles with sliding doors as that is generally the access point into vehicle not rear.
Good thinking behind the build, make it available to the broader public. I've got a thought about the left side, make it into a divan with a backrest at the front that's angled a bit with a work surface that rotates outward to the left. That way you can sit with your legs straight and lean back while working.
Just a comment about the water tank that doesn't really apply in Australia but in Canada you would want one that is not perfectly square with vertical walls. You want one that is very slightly V shaped (similar off-vertical angle as a plastic bucket). This allows the water to freeze and rise up rather than push out horizontally and avoids cracking the tank if it should freeze in winter. I haven't been able to find one yet.
great idea - flat pack camper kit for the troopy that is lightweight, functional and has your signature. Picking up ideas for my lightweight pop-top slide-on bravo
Michael Blake has some valid points, my 2c…the fridge must be the same side of the vehicle as the gas stove/kitchen/travel buddy/max trax table etc. The other side must have the shower
This was a timely video. I have a space I am fitting out, granted not a trophy, but same type of layout and access. This has provided those great little insights!
I don't know where the "kit" version of this is in terms of being a thing - but it really makes me wish we could get the Troupy in the USA. Andrew and his pals do amazing things.
Hi, great to see that build. I also would put the water tank, or at least one part of it, under the Car because of the weight and lost space in the Cab.
Well Andrew, I have just seen the most practical demonstration of a one man car pull. Outstanding use of the seat belt as a harness to then walk, AND steer. Just brilliant mate, never too old to stop learning. Love it!
Long Ranger Automotive makes a stainless 100 litre water tank that fits under a Troopy with dual fuel tanks, part no TLC78V8SS . I genuinely can't understand why you would take up interior space when it can go underneath?
@@MrDaanram Not to mention; U will not hear the sloushing in the tank inside the cab while driving. Another benefit of an underslung tank is the weight goes down low. If frost & artic conditions are features not needed taking into account, I struggle to see the need for having the tank inside..... I am going underslung in my 78 for sure :-)
@@peters2860 we have 90 ltr under our 75. Just don’t have a second fuel tank but we solve that with jerry cans on the roof on the rare occasion we go more than 550 km without fuel
@@MrDaanram Right, I have dual factory fuel tanks. Will fit a sidepipe & make room for an underslung tank. Built a LC100 with a watertank behind the 1.seatrow. Floormounted....utterly annoying when not topped up. I come from the marine tanker industry where 30-70% tankvolume is a big NoNo in terms of (vessel)stability
The Long Ranger tank that fits the troopy is 54 litres ( models up to 2016) or 50 litres after that year. I don't think there is enough room for a 100L tank. Wish there was. Cheers
Just wondering if by putting your kitchen and electrics plus fridge on the drivers side if you are going to be quite a lot heavier on one side rather than the other?
My thoughts too, im on the planning phase myself and keep debating on how to shift more weight to the passenger side. Thats how old cruisers end up with a bit of a lean when suspension wears out
i lost some inside head room when the Hercules roof top went on, due to the gas strut sleeping floor. Have you taken this into account with bench heights.?
Just catching up on vids I’ve missed, and after watching this one I can’t help but think there is an opportunity to make use of a swivel mechanism on the passenger/driver seat to form a comfortable work space. Is this something you’ve considered? Yes, the arm rest fridge would need to go, but you can get a seat with a built in arm rest. I just think it would open up a vast array of options for the interior if the workspace made use of an existing and comfortable chair.
Re not being able to sleep in windy weather due to flapping etc … have you tried using earplugs? I use them when camping and noise, including the snoring of others, prevents sleep 😩
Thanks, really looking forward to this build! Apparently LRA make a 90 litre water tank that fits under the vehicle, that would free up a lot of space inside.
@@GR8Tmate Over 20 extremely successful overland vehicles built and over a million kms of off-piste driving in 20 countries. Maybe, just maybe I've learned something. Of course the weight balance is being considered!
My two cents. In few years of traveling Australia back and forth (I am not native) I understood that the French Line in the Simpson Desert, the Frenchman track in Cape York and he Canning Stock and the CREB track, etc. etc. need a specific approach. Every trip require a different set up. There is not just only one BEST permanent setup. I don't like permanent solutions (in general). If I want a flexible vehicle able to drive me in such remote areas I must be LIGHT & EASY. The key (for me) is to balance comforts and performances
Yes Andrew, I was thinking you guys did not make mention of the cushion height - comfort is very important particularly if you are working for hours on your computer or watching a movie!
Very cool boys, very cool. My 2 bobs worth the water tank should be behind the front seats or consider a blander straight onto the floor in the middle of the vehicle.
I don’t know if it’s possible but have you considered swivel seats? It would then make the front part useful during camping. A lot of vans maximise room that way.
Hi Andrew, I really enjoyed how this style of video captured the natural flowing discussions with Rob. I've spent a bit of time sitting on milk crates myself - and I reckon we have approximately the same chance of being professional basketballers, if you know what I mean. I think you have gotten the height right for your needs as a desk. Best Wishes, looking forward to seeing this one unfold.
Don't know if this would be an issue but wouldn't putting the kitchen on the driver's side be dangerous if you just want to park at the side of the road for a quick meal? Normally the passenger side would be "safer" as it is shielded by the vehicle.
Hey Andrew just saw something that you’d find very interesting! A Range Rover Classic shooting brake is going up for auction! 1 of 6! Beautiful vehicle! Hope you’re family is well. Take care.
This is going to be a wonderful build, looking forward to it. I think if the Maxtrax table was on drivers side near filler necks it would be a pain.................it may fit, however think of the fuel nozzles. I think you will get annoyed dealing with filling up with the table so close and in the states we sometimes have larger fuel nozzles that may be a problem as well.
i am currantly building a walk through defender camper . as for the awning i am using sailtrack aluminium running down both sides of the camper , i can slide the canvas out in a few minutes and transfer to tthe other side. the setup is really light . the poles are left in the canvas and rolled up and secured by straps. ive been using the same piece of canvas for 15 years now it is currentlly on my rrc
Doing the same & happy to give some tips if you need. My homemade Hesch style interior for a 110 Station Wagon weighs 53kg for 3 cabinets & has the full kitchen accessible through a gullwing with the back of the tall cabinet disconnecting & folding out to make a table at wheelarch height. It's a simple to make project with everything purchased from my local hardware store so anyone can do it with simple tools 👍
Such an easy solution and sooo much cheaper.. buy a really good 12 foot van. Keep your vehicle light and empty.. can un hook the weight for daily drive and explore.. from what I’ve seen this program does not do any extreme tracks.. food for thought.. PS when selling vehicle/upgrading no need to go through more expense !!
Is it possible to get water tanks moulded to the wheel arch, as seems like a 10-20 litre space where the square section of the tank goes around the arch?
If you sold the camper interior as a kit, to what extent would it be a permanent installation? Could one or both sides be removed for either cargo or the long bench seats in the camping off-season?
@@inkpink9860 even in racing motorcycles we use baffles in fueltanks as small as 15 liters…, different use and effect, but you can do the math…. What can be an option we also use in fueltanks is VERY OPEN structure foam, but i do not know the implications regarding bacteria though…
Have you considered a kneeling chair position for the working station? The point is relaxing your back after driving for many hours with the weight pushing your spine. You’d stretch your back despite the low clearance inside.
I have a question! If you need a comfortable seat to work inside. Why not use the passenger seat? Even id you need to rotate it, when needed, facing the back (towards the low value real state area) where you can have a sliding table to put the computer on?
Hello Andrew, Really enjoyed the video, as always. I was hoping you could tell me where I might find the maxxtrax table, I think I'd really like one. (I'm in the USA) Thank you very much!
Use your passenger front seat as your seated workstation. Its already there! All you'd need is a desk top remedy. More comfortable than a low bench and it removes the seating consideration (possible limitation?) from the rear.
I've done that when using rentals overseas but it doesn't work well. I have a laptop, two ssd drives, four or five memory cards and a camera or two to clean on an average evening after a day's filming. I need space to stay organised.
would love to hear you thoughts on what you want to achieve in this vehicle, you've said 2 person build, light weight...but what range (min 1000km?) how much fuel / food / water /power are you going to carry, how long on road between re supply etc no point putting 100l water tank in if just doing a weekend away at local camp site.
@@tareskisloki8579 have watched all his shows and yes says "long distance" but what are his thoughts on what he considers long distance ! a stock Prado will go 1200-1400km on standard tank. 100l of water at 10l a day gives you 10 days remote, but if you can't carry enough food/power etc for 10 days because your water tank takes up the space, then doesn't matter how much water you have. the build needs to be balanced, maybe my question should be "if its the best 2 person overlander it must be able to support 2 people for x days, totally self sufficient...my question was what does he want to achieve in this vehicle and hasn't said...yet !
McGyver theme song 🤣🤣 Classic Andrew. The problem I see with the dropdown table on the right side of the vehicle, is you might struggle to reach the fridge through the gullwing when the table is folded down
Andrew, why don't you make the front seats swivel facing the back? you could add a "put-away" table and you would have a perfect working arrangement and a comfortable seating position?
So many reasons . . . not nearly enough width. Heavy. Increases seat height. Would have to get engineering approvals, which would be extremely costly and would probably fail.
Andrew, when deciding about the side windows, why not take them all out and replace them with with sheet metal or the lift up panels? I know you touched on the point of "over the shoulder" vision, which is a fair point but in the interest of weight saving I feel somewhat conflicted on that little shoulder check to change lanes when you would only see a high riding vehicle anyway. Doubt you would see the roof of a small hatchback with the height of the side glass with the over shoulder blind spot check. Just a thought I had.
Mate if you’ve ever driven a vehicle with the vision in that spot blocked you would understand how valuable that window is. Think of anytime you pull up to an intersection that’s not exactly square? Pulling out of a roadhouse in the country crossing the highway is usually where it’s the worst, having to undo your seatbelt and lean across the seat to see out the passenger side is quite annoying
Love watching your builds Andrew, here’s a challenge…. After this I’d love to see you build a 4 seat 4 birth troopy. Something along the lines of 2 adults and 2 children. I see you can get rear doors fitted to troopy’s, maybe a family expedition vehicle!? Let’s see how compact you can go 😜 keep up the good work
Andrew not sure if this is of any help. I have a 100lt tank in my troopy that fits across the rear of the seats. It’s 310mm high 375mm wide and 1005mm long. It’s a Rota moulding Uni tank. They are local in WA
Very interesting watch, Andrew. I’m fascinated listening to him playing through his head. I’ve always felt so conflicted about awnings on the drivers side, aesthetically I much prefer the awning on the left. It just feels and looks right. But all the power to you changing it up. Looking forward to filling this further. Good stuff mate.
The external configuration that makes most sense to me is awning and trax table on passenger side, shower and ladder on drivers side. And hopefully that rules out the gullwing by the ladder as that won’t work too well.
Andrew i have been driving Troppies around the world for nearly 40 years and I have a couple of comments I hope are useful. The first with regards to water tanks, you can buy off the shelf 90 litre tank to go under the vehicle in front of the rear axle drivers side. Water tanks inside will always raise your CoG and take up plenty of room but i did find them necessary when i was in the Artic and Northern Russia. If you do decide that across the back of the seats is your preference make it as two tanks with fills from inside each door, then you can have water you are not sure about in another tank and used for showers and washing etc. Careful when working out head heights with the standard roof because the bed on the converted roof comes down lower. one reason why people generally have the awning on the left is because the other side has the larger door to walk around and then quite often a spare wheel an a separate swing out
All fantastic points 👍
very valuable info here!
Great comments 👍
Well said michael re water tanks. I had my troopie set up so i could simply get into bed without popping the roof in really bad weather. 90litre tank and had interior as light as possible. Im really enjoying this build! Heck i might sell the dual cab and jump back into a troopie before they stop making them
My first thoughts as a Troopy owner were the same as yours regarding doors and water tanks. Long ranger do a 100 litre underneath tank that is not advertised I’m pretty sure
Thank you for sharing this part of the build. Previous builds have not shown as much detail here. It is great to hear the thought process behind the final design.
An idea on the water tank, Longranger (through ARB) make a 50L under-body tank for the troopy that sits in front of the rear diff. This is half the 100L you are aiming for and would reduce the amount of space taken up inside the cab, with the redundancy of a second tank. Great stuff so far looking forward to see the build!
I take it there isn't room under there for two of those? It would help with keeping weight low as well.
If needed, split the tank behind the seats to have your backup if one leaks. Perhaps 60 liter and 40 liter (or some similar combination) - two separate tanks, both behind the seats.
Seeing as the tank is custom you could just put a divider in the centre of the tank splitting it into two sections.
@@chriswh8735 Oh, for sure, or even have a top and bottom tank - bottom for all trips, top for the long trips. Keeps the center of gravity low.
3 d scanner and do a mock up then you definitely can sort out to use every bit of room and make it out of aluminium less weight and more room 2.5 aluminium versus 12 mm timber all adds up
Great video keep up the good work
@4xoverland I’m absolutely loving this series. All of your Troopy builds have been so inspiring, and the idea of a kit is so exciting. Working on bringing a 75 Troopy to the US so I’ll be watching closely for updates on the kits! Thank you for all of these amazing videos Andrew!
If you have not spotted one yet, plenty Troopies in Central America. Some are not ex-ambulances. Don't bother with Costa Rica they are too expensive here.
What about the front seats becoming "swivel seats", sorta like Captains Chairs in RVs, that would save heaps of room and give you comfort as well
I don’t think a LandCruiser 70 series is wide enough for that.
If that's possible, it's a dang good idea
Weight, they're heavy as
@@mud-dust In my 78, thats gonna be a real pain spun facing rear as there is no well to sink down my feet in. The seat is barely above the floorpan as it sits now
@@peters2860 Not nearly wide enough and would need engineering approvals to make it legal. Which means, its a non-starter.
Loving the extra detail and talked through planning. All the talks we usually have with ourselves, and a few extra ideas and thoughts to keep in mind too
Hey Andrew, I've been following your TH-cam channel for several years now. I totally enjoy your content and I have learned so much.
I have a comment and a question,
All of your builds turn out super awesome but seem to entail similar design complexities to support the "minimal amenities".
I get the impression from some of your comments that you are striving for simplicity, yet the builds usually all end up with the same bells and whistles.
This is not a criticism by any means. You are truly the master of 4x4 overland builds.
My question is, have you considered just taking your new troopy, adding some better tires and just carry the bare necessities like jugs of water, food and a mattress in the back?
I can't help but feel that you have a desire to get back to your roots when you began this journey.
Thanks
Good points! Basic comfort for long trips (plus some camera and fishing gear) and striving to keep things minimal and lightweight are a very challenging trade off!
Yes the same stuff happens over and over, you would think he would know what he was doing by now, but he is still building another car...
I have always run my awning off the drivers side (although the majority run on the near side} as I find while camping you always want to access the divers seat for personal poccesions, keys , ignition etc. It also keeps the awning away from trees while passing oncoming cars on a tight track.
This Rob guy has some fantastic thoughts and ideas!
I've said it quite a few times on your videos, but I'm glad you're working with someone who also understands the importance of seat heights in the living space, albeit from a different viewpoint. If you build your seat up to window height in a Troopy for extra storage, irrespective of the roof configuration, it's too high for long term comfort for most people. Definitely make a backrest with internal support & if it's made to the right size, it can actually form the bed rather than having a separate section purely for that function 👍
Hi Andrew great ideas especially the kit idea. Looking forward to see the built and the kit idea.
I would never get tired watching ye plan and build amazing though processes from the two of you
Bluiding a 4WD
Andrew: custom everything in my 2021 troopy
Me: check out my new titan drawers in my 1989 GQ Patrol
You sir are living my dream
The Mike Nolan. Bloody legend mate!
The GQ is a classic though, surely there's enough aftermarket there to make whatever you want fit?
Love the idea at the end of making that a ready made kit - very good idea indeed!
Great Design discussion and thought process. I hope you let us know what it cost in the end. Thanks.
It is great hearing you talk through the thought process of the design not just showing the finished product.
MacGuyver theme was a witty addition 🤣
I reckon figuring out storage units is the hardest part of building a 4bee. Love how thought out you are with absolutely everything.
Awnings typically work better on drivers side while camping
noting discussion time 11:50 regarding awning - i suggest awnings should be on drivers side: often overlooked is the ratio of camp set ups in the afternoon vs morning and the shading requirements to access the rear in shade. if awning is on drivers side and you face north, rear is in shade with sun overhead going down on passenders side (drivers side including rear is shaded and continues to be so with elongating shade as sun changes angle) the opposite occurs if seeking shade with awning on the passengers side. To get shade on a stop (after noon), you must park south facing hence rear access to vehicle will be in sun). parking facing north also enables Photovoltaics to charge when camper is up etc.... strongly suggest awning be installed on drivers side or conversely install two (not needed IMO). note: sun is not as harsh generally untill 11 ish am after that shade is a must as the day heats up...using the car as a shade wall from 12pm on is way more comfortable and no need to be mooving the car to angle additional shade into usable area you have quadroupled usable shade: i will concede the car doesent look as cool to the kurbside observer but not many of them out bush... this does not apply to vehicles with sliding doors as that is generally the access point into vehicle not rear.
Lmao the seatbelt trick I'm stealing it💪
That means you are stealing it from someone who stole it. Cool, eh?
@@4xoverland lol yeah, i always enjoy your videos, thank you very much🙏
Love this whole conceptualising thing. I spend my life doing that before any project and people think I’m crazy 😜
Thinking, conceptualising and planning is one of life's greatest pleasures.
Good thinking behind the build, make it available to the broader public.
I've got a thought about the left side, make it into a divan with a backrest at the front that's angled a bit with a work surface that rotates outward to the left. That way you can sit with your legs straight and lean back while working.
Just a comment about the water tank that doesn't really apply in Australia but in Canada you would want one that is not perfectly square with vertical walls. You want one that is very slightly V shaped (similar off-vertical angle as a plastic bucket). This allows the water to freeze and rise up rather than push out horizontally and avoids cracking the tank if it should freeze in winter. I haven't been able to find one yet.
great idea - flat pack camper kit for the troopy that is lightweight, functional and has your signature.
Picking up ideas for my lightweight pop-top slide-on
bravo
Brilliant as usual. My favourite TH-cam channel.
Michael Blake has some valid points, my 2c…the fridge must be the same side of the vehicle as the gas stove/kitchen/travel buddy/max trax table etc. The other side must have the shower
This was a timely video. I have a space I am fitting out, granted not a trophy, but same type of layout and access. This has provided those great little insights!
Great iterative design process. Great collaboration between the two of you.
Very nice design, excited to see the build progress. Love the MacGyver theme song when Rob came up with the plan sketch.
I don't know where the "kit" version of this is in terms of being a thing - but it really makes me wish we could get the Troupy in the USA. Andrew and his pals do amazing things.
Love the inside look at the process.
26:10 good idea on the kit Andrew, I just might buy one if the build turns out what I'm looking for which I reckon it will.
Andrew, don’t forget the fit out must be weighted evenly on each side of the vehicle. I’ve found this to be challenging when fitting my vehicle.
Boxes aside…
I was really blown away by the seatbelt trick to move the car 😱
(Not sure I have seen that before)
He's spent some time in Africa so I'm sure his seen many cool tricks in his time.
Hi, great to see that build. I also would put the water tank, or at least one part of it, under the Car because of the weight and lost space in the Cab.
Well Andrew, I have just seen the most practical demonstration of a one man car pull. Outstanding use of the seat belt as a harness to then walk, AND steer. Just brilliant mate, never too old to stop learning. Love it!
love the subtle and appropriate MacGyver music. Very nicely done!
love the thought process that goes into the layout. Great video.
Love the kit idea! It would be very cool to see the "lightweight, no compromises" philosophy applied to the dual-cab ute market.
Odd shaped water tank... Would you need a secondary pump to move the water from the low point to the primary pump?
or a hose across the 2 bottoms to equalise...
I was thinking Andrew.... if I only had one channel to pick out of all the channels....I would pick yours. Top drawer my friend. All the best.
Very interesting seeing the thought process. Look forward to seeing the fitout come together
Long Ranger Automotive makes a stainless 100 litre water tank that fits under a Troopy with dual fuel tanks, part no TLC78V8SS . I genuinely can't understand why you would take up interior space when it can go underneath?
Exactly what I was thinking… I assume he thought about it, but I can’t think of the reqson
@@MrDaanram Not to mention; U will not hear the sloushing in the tank inside the cab while driving. Another benefit of an underslung tank is the weight goes down low. If frost & artic conditions are features not needed taking into account, I struggle to see the need for having the tank inside..... I am going underslung in my 78 for sure :-)
@@peters2860 we have 90 ltr under our 75. Just don’t have a second fuel tank but we solve that with jerry cans on the roof on the rare occasion we go more than 550 km without fuel
@@MrDaanram Right, I have dual factory fuel tanks. Will fit a sidepipe & make room for an underslung tank. Built a LC100 with a watertank behind the 1.seatrow. Floormounted....utterly annoying when not topped up. I come from the marine tanker industry where 30-70% tankvolume is a big NoNo in terms of (vessel)stability
The Long Ranger tank that fits the troopy is 54 litres ( models up to 2016) or 50 litres after that year. I don't think there is enough room for a 100L tank. Wish there was. Cheers
Just wondering if by putting your kitchen and electrics plus fridge on the drivers side if you are going to be quite a lot heavier on one side rather than the other?
My thoughts too, im on the planning phase myself and keep debating on how to shift more weight to the passenger side. Thats how old cruisers end up with a bit of a lean when suspension wears out
developing it as a kit would be very good. wonderful idea
Great vid on details of what u need. Good example is place to put shoes.
i lost some inside head room when the Hercules roof top went on, due to the gas strut sleeping floor. Have you taken this into account with bench heights.?
Just catching up on vids I’ve missed, and after watching this one I can’t help but think there is an opportunity to make use of a swivel mechanism on the passenger/driver seat to form a comfortable work space. Is this something you’ve considered? Yes, the arm rest fridge would need to go, but you can get a seat with a built in arm rest. I just think it would open up a vast array of options for the interior if the workspace made use of an existing and comfortable chair.
Re not being able to sleep in windy weather due to flapping etc … have you tried using earplugs? I use them when camping and noise, including the snoring of others, prevents sleep 😩
Thanks, really looking forward to this build! Apparently LRA make a 90 litre water tank that fits under the vehicle, that would free up a lot of space inside.
You are going to make another beautiful heavy landcruiser.....
And all the extra weight on the one side too
@@GR8Tmate Over 20 extremely successful overland vehicles built and over a million kms of off-piste driving in 20 countries. Maybe, just maybe I've learned something. Of course the weight balance is being considered!
My two cents.
In few years of traveling Australia back and forth (I am not native) I understood that the French Line in the Simpson Desert, the Frenchman track in Cape York and he Canning Stock and the CREB track, etc. etc. need a specific approach.
Every trip require a different set up. There is not just only one BEST permanent setup. I don't like permanent solutions (in general).
If I want a flexible vehicle able to drive me in such remote areas I must be LIGHT & EASY.
The key (for me) is to balance comforts and performances
And there is absolutely no way to conceive a custom tray system of some sort that would allow working in the driver or passenger seat?
Looking forward to the build Andrew, regardless of what you do I'm interested in learning from more of your perspective and experience.
Don't forget to include into consideration the height of the cushion you'll put on the bench seat if having any. Or will you simply use marine carpet?
Yes Andrew, I was thinking you guys did not make mention of the cushion height - comfort is very important particularly if you are working for hours on your computer or watching a movie!
Very cool boys, very cool. My 2 bobs worth the water tank should be behind the front seats or consider a blander straight onto the floor in the middle of the vehicle.
Kit complete a great idea with options as a turn key solution build 👌🏼
Sick build can’t wait to see the finished product
I’d be doing everything in my power to put the water underneath in an otherwise useless space.
Love your Show! You might want to consider the gullwing windows of “explore glazing” from Holland! Just got mine delivered and they are superb!!!
I contacted them today as it happens.
I don’t know if it’s possible but have you considered swivel seats? It would then make the front part useful during camping. A lot of vans maximise room that way.
Hi Andrew, I really enjoyed how this style of video captured the natural flowing discussions with Rob. I've spent a bit of time sitting on milk crates myself - and I reckon we have approximately the same chance of being professional basketballers, if you know what I mean. I think you have gotten the height right for your needs as a desk. Best Wishes, looking forward to seeing this one unfold.
Very interested in seeing final product after following your other builds. You could also add a small microwave without spinning glass base inside.
I can see a similar issue with the Tommy Camper brewing;
Great for One person but Two?
So the Tommy was no good for two? Why? Do you have one?
@@4xoverland
No.
I do seem to recall an episode where you weren’t happy with the space for two people in the camper while sheltering from the weather.
@@DMSVICAU Right. This is sure to be larger when sitting and that's what we are working on. But it will be smaller when sleeping. That's unavoidable.
Don't know if this would be an issue but wouldn't putting the kitchen on the driver's side be dangerous if you just want to park at the side of the road for a quick meal? Normally the passenger side would be "safer" as it is shielded by the vehicle.
Great video, Andrew! I'm REALLY courious how this projext developes and whether you'll be pleased with the outcome :-)
Hey Andrew just saw something that you’d find very interesting! A Range Rover Classic shooting brake is going up for auction! 1 of 6! Beautiful vehicle! Hope you’re family is well. Take care.
So cool! Love this!
This is going to be a wonderful build, looking forward to it. I think if the Maxtrax table was on drivers side near filler necks it would be a pain.................it may fit, however think of the fuel nozzles. I think you will get annoyed dealing with filling up with the table so close and in the states we sometimes have larger fuel nozzles that may be a problem as well.
So many things are a trade. I would trade the convenience of a table where I want it with an annoying obstruction one of the fillers.
Yoh the amount of planning in here gave me brain freeze Grandpa Andrew.
Me too! :-)
Lol😂
i am currantly building a walk through defender camper . as for the awning i am using sailtrack aluminium running down both sides of the camper , i can slide the canvas out in a few minutes and transfer to tthe other side. the setup is really light . the poles are left in the canvas and rolled up and secured by straps. ive been using the same piece of canvas for 15 years now it is currentlly on my rrc
Doing the same & happy to give some tips if you need. My homemade Hesch style interior for a 110 Station Wagon weighs 53kg for 3 cabinets & has the full kitchen accessible through a gullwing with the back of the tall cabinet disconnecting & folding out to make a table at wheelarch height. It's a simple to make project with everything purchased from my local hardware store so anyone can do it with simple tools 👍
Great idea on the kit
Bless you and your family loads and loads for providing people like myself to best possible ideas into overland vehicle build. 👌👌🙏🙏👍👍👍👍👍🤘🤘
Such an easy solution and sooo much cheaper.. buy a really good 12 foot van.
Keep your vehicle light and empty.. can un hook the weight for daily drive and explore.. from what I’ve seen this program does not do any extreme tracks.. food for thought.. PS when selling vehicle/upgrading no need to go through more expense !!
Less is more
Is it possible to get water tanks moulded to the wheel arch, as seems like a 10-20 litre space where the square section of the tank goes around the arch?
I was thinking the same thing. Maximize all the space!
If you sold the camper interior as a kit, to what extent would it be a permanent installation? Could one or both sides be removed for either cargo or the long bench seats in the camping off-season?
It will be built on a platform so removable is the idea.
Would you need partial seperators in such a long tank to stop the liquids from getting too much momentum and making annoying splashing noises?
They are called baffles. They are built into any tank with a large footprint.
@@4xoverland Ah nice to know, thanks!
What fluid volume would you need to include baffles.
@@inkpink9860 even in racing motorcycles we use baffles in fueltanks as small as 15 liters…, different use and effect, but you can do the math…. What can be an option we also use in fueltanks is VERY OPEN structure foam, but i do not know the implications regarding bacteria though…
Have you considered a kneeling chair position for the working station? The point is relaxing your back after driving for many hours with the weight pushing your spine. You’d stretch your back despite the low clearance inside.
No. Because it won't only be used as a workstation.
I have a question!
If you need a comfortable seat to work inside. Why not use the passenger seat? Even id you need to rotate it, when needed, facing the back (towards the low value real state area) where you can have a sliding table to put the computer on?
water tank under the truck to save space?
great video to watch as point things in plan out tours around Australia
I think it’s best to keep the water out of the cabin and underneath the car.
Hello Andrew,
Really enjoyed the video, as always.
I was hoping you could tell me where I might find the maxxtrax table, I think I'd really like one.
(I'm in the USA)
Thank you very much!
Do you really need a cool drinks fridge in the centre console when you have a fridge in the back?
No. Nothing here is 'needed'.
@@4xoverland oh ok cool...I thought it was all about weight. Loving the series.
Long ranger does 55liter chassis mount in front of the drivers side wheel. Water tank
I know. I'm considering it.
That background music is in my head, and can't remember what TV show it was from aaaaaargh.
Macgyver, thank god I remembered, was driving me mad!
Use your passenger front seat as your seated workstation. Its already there! All you'd need is a desk top remedy. More comfortable than a low bench and it removes the seating consideration (possible limitation?) from the rear.
I've done that when using rentals overseas but it doesn't work well. I have a laptop, two ssd drives, four or five memory cards and a camera or two to clean on an average evening after a day's filming. I need space to stay organised.
would love to hear you thoughts on what you want to achieve in this vehicle, you've said 2 person build, light weight...but what range (min 1000km?) how much fuel / food / water /power are you going to carry, how long on road between re supply etc no point putting 100l water tank in if just doing a weekend away at local camp site.
You just have to watch his previous videos to answer that question. It's a long distance, weeks-at-a-time kind of build.
@@tareskisloki8579 have watched all his shows and yes says "long distance" but what are his thoughts on what he considers long distance ! a stock Prado will go 1200-1400km on standard tank. 100l of water at 10l a day gives you 10 days remote, but if you can't carry enough food/power etc for 10 days because your water tank takes up the space, then doesn't matter how much water you have. the build needs to be balanced, maybe my question should be "if its the best 2 person overlander it must be able to support 2 people for x days, totally self sufficient...my question was what does he want to achieve in this vehicle and hasn't said...yet !
McGyver theme song 🤣🤣 Classic Andrew. The problem I see with the dropdown table on the right side of the vehicle, is you might struggle to reach the fridge through the gullwing when the table is folded down
macgyver music love it
Andrew, why don't you make the front seats swivel facing the back? you could add a "put-away" table and you would have a perfect working arrangement and a comfortable seating position?
So many reasons . . . not nearly enough width. Heavy. Increases seat height. Would have to get engineering approvals, which would be extremely costly and would probably fail.
May be four fixable water tank in the wall cavities .this may help with road noise and spread the weight around.🤔 🇦🇺
Using what would otherwise be dead space? Combined with an underbody tank you could actually carry a large amount of water this way. I like it.
Fun one Andrew!
Andrew, when deciding about the side windows, why not take them all out and replace them with with sheet metal or the lift up panels? I know you touched on the point of "over the shoulder" vision, which is a fair point but in the interest of weight saving I feel somewhat conflicted on that little shoulder check to change lanes when you would only see a high riding vehicle anyway. Doubt you would see the roof of a small hatchback with the height of the side glass with the over shoulder blind spot check. Just a thought I had.
Also, glass is heavy.
Mate if you’ve ever driven a vehicle with the vision in that spot blocked you would understand how valuable that window is. Think of anytime you pull up to an intersection that’s not exactly square?
Pulling out of a roadhouse in the country crossing the highway is usually where it’s the worst, having to undo your seatbelt and lean across the seat to see out the passenger side is quite annoying
This is my third Troopy. The window behind the passenger cannot be blocked.
So we can agree on something I guess Andrew haha 👍
I have them all blocked and hasn't bothered me, but most of the time i have the mrs on the passenger seat looking out when needed
Love watching your builds Andrew, here’s a challenge…. After this I’d love to see you build a 4 seat 4 birth troopy. Something along the lines of 2 adults and 2 children. I see you can get rear doors fitted to troopy’s, maybe a family expedition vehicle!? Let’s see how compact you can go 😜 keep up the good work
Put a turntable seat mount for passenger seat. Turn it around and you get more space.
Andrew not sure if this is of any help. I have a 100lt tank in my troopy that fits across the rear of the seats. It’s 310mm high 375mm wide and 1005mm long. It’s a Rota moulding Uni tank. They are local in WA
Lol, the Macguyver theme tune, 👌
It would be cool to be able to configure this to LHD Troopy set up.
Very interesting watch, Andrew. I’m fascinated listening to him playing through his head. I’ve always felt so conflicted about awnings on the drivers side, aesthetically I much prefer the awning on the left. It just feels and looks right. But all the power to you changing it up. Looking forward to filling this further. Good stuff mate.
The external configuration that makes most sense to me is awning and trax table on passenger side, shower and ladder on drivers side. And hopefully that rules out the gullwing by the ladder as that won’t work too well.