Until today, I just assumed they tilted back, and landed on their feet. I never knew they used a parachute. I also assumed they could use updrafts to gain height like a vulture. Having learned these things, the modern wingsuit is quite a disappointment to me. It really is just falling with style.
You are right, it's falling with style, it's not much of a glider. But it's soooo much FUN!! Forget the soaring like a bird image, it's more like an off the rails roller coster with steering control.
@@SteveShipmanBASE I just assumed they worked like most people imagined, because in How to Train Your Dragon the main character made one obviously based off the early TH-cam videos showing them. In particular, that first video from 2005 makes it look like the guy is going uphill for a while over mountains due to the way the camera is positioned.
@@litigioussociety4249 You really believe "most people" imagined what you describe? THat doesn;t make any sense. You not understanding perspective initially doesn't mean anything, it is a glider. It makes no sense at all, to think you can gain altitude without dropping forward speed, this is standard aerodynamics. Drag, thrust, lift, and gravity. Without powered thrust, you HAVE to lose altitude to keep speed. This is perfectly sensical. YOu can gain "some" altitude from heat, but you are mobbing through that heat too fast. A glide is a glide and this is exactly what I always envisioned.
@@jf8138 A normal glider (the airplane with no motor) is able to glide like am the able, using updrafts. I assumed the flight suit was designed to do the same thing. If somebody invented a jetpack of sorts, one would assume it would work like those in movies. No one would expect that the person has to crash land it. There's plenty of VTOL and glider technology that it would be logical to conclude the wingsuit was informed by them, not a separate branch of aviation technology that pales in comparison.
@@Ineffable1111 come down on a river with another person or some kind of a set-up to hold the ski rope, grab rope and barefoot waterski. I know, it’s a crazy idea! But I feel my waterski abilities are there but have only skydived once
@@stick9758 tbh thats really cool and like you say the theory kind of checks out, just scary odds as in if you don't flare perfectly at the perfect time whilst wingsuitin ur dead, but epic to think it is possible. Until this video i had no idea for a moment after flaring u have no downward momentum. I would like to know how long that period lasts. All the best and stay blessed.
The thought of a possible "survival" landing on water is fascinating to say the least. Debates in the comment section were as entertaining as the video itself. Liked and subscribed :)
Wow. Thanks for this! I love watching wing suit videos, and I have wondered this exact speed question. 70km forward to not be descending anymore. Wow! Now that's falling with style!
Timed just right it is theoretically possible. 43 mph forward crash is very possible when water ski. So, in an emergency, such as your chute, didn't open your best option, is a flare to a stall just above the water.
It's not such a silly question many years ago someone would of asked do you think it's possible to put on a suit and fly down a mountain and someone probably said no and the other dude said we'll I'm going to try and now we have wingsuits
You solved my long pending question ig ✨I use to think like if we make enough flare while landing will able to reduce speed and land without parachute 😂
if you could open slits in the wingsuit that it becomes efectivly multiple wings, you could reduce the stall speed and increase the stall angle...But you would introduce massive amounts of drag... but as the gual is to slow down...without stalling maybe the drag is even an added benefit. I'm 100% sure that a landing solution will be developed for wingsuits at some point. Because militarry. And because Wingsuit pilots try to optimize so many things, at some point they might want to get rid of the added wheight of a parachute...needing a way to land the wingsuit.
I mean if you took the wheel suit people race down mountains with and combine it with the wingsuit if you hit an incline at the right angle you think youd just start rolling down that incline instead, though at tremendous speeds. However pulling off such a feat would be impossible to pull off consistently. Perhaps Im crazy
Yes there’s many potentially possible theories. But I said in the video “just me, without a special projects team”. Also, I don’t consider it to be do-able if there’s a high chance of getting dead.
I flipped a Honda motocrosser at 60mph once. The bike went on and flipped end over end twice while I slid on behind for maybe 50 yards. Lucky thing was the ditch grass was long and I had on a Air Force nylon flight jacket. But, double that speed with a wing suit and pretty sure it would be game over.
So we just need a way to bring down the forawrd speed down to a slow, safe and landable speed at the same time as the stall point. I guess useing a retractable larger wingspan might do the trick, or small parachute. It would take some serious skill though.
Maybe you could land like the Falcon 9 with a suicide burn, but instead with conserved momentum. At the last moment before you touch the ground, fly straight up and slightly back so that all motion is cancelled. the problem is that you only get one shot at it.
Maybe you could try approaching a roof top swimming pool but from below pulling a climb and then flare? Or the top of a large water fall.. need somebody on a jetski or boat to pick you up so you don't go over the falls. Niagra?
A giant slide built into the exact landing angle on the side of a mountain! Fly right into the slope of the giant slide, then slide to a stop, somewhere.
If you can flare are get your forward speed to 70khm with 0 down speed it might be technically possible over water. That is under 40knots, speed sailers in Windsurfing and Kitesurfing regularly crash at over those speeds without serious injury. I am not suggesting anyone tries and it might be extremely difficult to do but I would not say it is impossible if you can time the flare precisely.
@@SteveShipmanBASE Thanks for the info. I did paragliding for a bit but quit because I decided I like living too much. Watching your wingsuit videos makes me realise there are people with a whole different appetite for risk.
That forward speed should be manageable in a flat oiled surface, the problem is that if you flare until you stall all that momentum will get you going upwards and once you stall you are falling back down, so you can't approach the ground at the required angle
I fell off my motorcycle going 60mph with nothing but jeans and a hoodie on pavement, 40mph on grass would hurt but i feel like you could be fine, especially on water
I agree with your arguments about VVel and HVel. That said, I find myself thinking that there must be a slope, a hillside, somewhere in the world that matches your wing-suit slope starting at the point of VVel=zero. (1m 37s in your excellent video) That suggests that one might be lucky (and I believe we can not be lucky 100% of the time) to use the very low angle of incidence between the hill-side and the glide slope to abrade some of that HVel, to the point where one could execute that "hit the ground running" of the hang-glider and dissipate the rest of that HVel. I should add that at no time in my 77 years on this planet have I had the desire to parachute, hang-glide, and especially not launch myself into free-fall from either side of an 8,000 glacial wall. For that reason I cannot ask anyone to test my theories for me. And that's all this is: a theoretical point. Cheers, Chris
I wonder after a flare(stall)、could someone use a 'death diving technique' to break water tension to land on water with a wingsuit. Death diving technique is a technique used to dive into water safely, by novice divers, from high heights. If a stall could be performed 15 meters above water, then, it would be average distance to land into water with this technique.
It should be possible if you get to the 70km horizontal speed because some divers hit the faster than that but I’m not sure how the angle of attack would work
can't you flare and convert all horizontal speed into lift and go up a bit? Flare close to surface, gain some height and lose horizontal speed as a result, and land on a hill that has exact height that you gained?
Lots of motorcycle riders are uninjured after falling from high speeds. Injuries usually happen from sliding into an object. If you timed the landing perfectly and had protective gear on, landed on a flat surface. I think you could Definetly land uninjured. But it’d be extremely risky and the flyer would need to be extremely experienced
DomTomato and a few other parkour athletes can safely jump from 10-12 meters to the ground. What would be the speed of falling if at a height of 10 meters their gliding speed was 15 km/h? Or what would their gliding speed be 10 meters above the ground if their falling speed dropped to the minimum speed that is when they jump from the roof to the ground?
What if you do the tilt multiple times to drop the forward speed several times? Like you tilt back and when you start falling down you tilt forward to start flying again but this time your forward speed will be less since you lost the momentum and also you are lower to the ground and you do it several times so you lose momentum that much your forward speed will be like 15kmh and when reaching the ground you tilt back again to slow down to zero and land on your feet? Doesn't it work this way?
That’s not going to work, each time you slow the forward speed you will increase your vertical speed. Forward Speed it what’s stopping you from falling fast.
But if u do this "breaking" in alt 10-20 Meter over water it should be possible. Then u would fall like a normal jump from 10-20 meter. Also it should be possible to land on water with speed 70 forward. it would be like waterski. of course its very dangourous but if u are doing everthing perfect it should be possible. finaly the cliff divers jump 30 meters free. this is speed 100km an straight down. if u have speed 10-20 kmh down and 70 forward u do like a stone droping and slow down slowly. i guess this would work. If u do all perfect. if :)
I wonder how high are the chances of survival compared to a fall without a wingsuit. If your parachute fails and you got a wide open field, the chances to survive shouldn’t be that bad if you are able to decrease the vertical speed to about 0 Kmh. Did something like that happened to someone before ?
For sure you would have a better chance of survival in a wingsuit. As I said people have actually survived flying a wingsuit into trees. But thankfully a total parachute failure is pretty much unheard of.
Landing on water were not mentioned on the video. Look it up, there are videos. Even if you get your vertical speed to 0, or almost 0, you still got 70+ of horizontal, riding your belly on whatever terrain there is, not something anyone would like. However, if someone was able to quickly get yourself and that suit vertical to counteract that horizontal speed.. if that was somehow possible.. idk, wingsuit is still a terrible thing to fly aerodynamically.
The downward speed approaches 0 but not the forward speed (~70 kmh), which would be like being thrown out of a moving car at full speed. You might not be dead, but definitely severely injured.
What about gary connery? He made a suit with that could be reconfigured to add more drag before landing in like 1000 cardboard boxes but the idea could be extrapolated couldn't it?
what if you flared right next to the ground, and the wingsuit was designed in a way to redirect that force into the harness instead of ripping apart your joints?
@@SteveShipmanBASE I'm a skydiver I get it, but it's fun to think about. Wing suits are a whole different ballgame, I've never used one. Just be careful man, proximity flying looks amazing but be safe about it.
You forgot one crucial factor in doing this the landing spot… water there was a guy who did it on TH-cam in Italy so if you land in water and you have experience with the suit it’s actually quite possible
It should be noted that some mammals (fFlying squirrels and bats) have evolved with the ability to begin a glide from a height, and end the glide by landing on a solid surface NOT on the round. Bats, for heaven's sake, land upside down - as I understand it! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_squirrel
What if they had a telescopic carbon fiber wing that could extend upon the desire to land... not sure if you could get that to work either... I'd wanna nice skid plate too lol. Who am I kidding Im not jumping out of a perfectly good airplane etc. Lol
is it possible to fly upwards a cliff to get on a point where you stop in the air right at the point where you reaching the cliff and land on it safely? 🤔
We can go up for a few seconds after a diving first to build up energy. What you suggest would take such perfect timing, theoretically possible but in reality way too difficult. As I said before, “do-able” is easily repeatable, not barely survivable.
Horizontal speed of 150 km/h is not a big problem , landing on a smooth unimpeded surface. Motorcycle racers do that all the time (falling off) and much faster. I have come to a stop from 100 km/h , unharmed. A vertical speed of 50 km/h is uncomfortable
Sure it’s possible. ButI did say in the video “without being killed or injured”. I think the chance of an injury at 70 Kph is high. For me “do-able” means “easily repeatable”, not “barely survivable“.
@@SteveShipmanBASE Haha it's a quote from the character Anatoly Dyatlov (which the OP uses) in HBO's Chernobyl when shit hits the fan. Words to live by really.
Yeah, I know of one snow landing that the jumper survived, and a few tree landings. All were unintentional and resulted is severe injuries. I define “do-able” as easily repeatable so I don’t count these accidents.
i have THE solution: looong and high slackline, you can go lower than that and fly up to it, to actually get 0 kph, if you fail nothing happens because you are still high enaugh about the ground, so not easy but you have endless tries😅 and if you fly parallel to the line you dont have to be as precise
The first issue is finding a slackline conveniently positioned in within terrain that would allow such a manoeuvre. And then, if such a scenario existed then....... land in Wingsuit on a slack line? Really?
@@SteveShipmanBASE i mean i have never been wingsuiting so i can‘t really tell but i thought, just somehow grabbing the line with your hands and hang on it could be possible if you try long enaugh😂
I was wondering if you could survive a lake landing. I've crashed water skiing at high speeds and it's absolutely no issue. Done it over and over. So I don't see why you couldn't if you could establish level flight for a moment.
I said in the video “and not be killed or injured”. For me to consider it do-able it would need to be easily repeatable not possibly survivable. I doubt your waterskiing wipe out was at 70kph.
I stand corrected, I don’t know much about waterskiing. Still, a controlled slow down and level out into water from a wingsuit flight would require incredible precision, I won’t be trying it.
@@tracywalker9291 parachute does not pull you up in "normal skydiving". It only seems that way because the cameraman filming keeps falling at the same speed while the person being filmed slows down.
i wonder, if somebody could flare under a 20m riverbridge, gain altitude and then open (slider down) to land safe near the river. I know that physically it should be possible, but is there anyone who has the skills to do it "safe" and controlled?
I want to wingsuit off of a skyscraper onto a mega ramp on a yacht or barge with a skateboard. I also want to film the stunt maybe like jackass style or mission impossible gone jackass type of 💩. And put it in a skateboarding game like Tony Hawk
Can you make a take off being towed by a car up wind laying on a rollerboard? Just wondering :D Even better being launched like a kite dragon by a vinsj from the rooftop of the car?
No one has deliberately landed a wingsuit on water and survived. There’s one ridiculous fake video that’s been doing the rounds, landing on a lake In Italy. Don’t believe what you see just because it’s on the internet.
@@SteveShipmanBASE Is it actually possible to glide all the way down to the ground and a few meters away from the ground you just rear up and land on your feet? I wonder if that’s even possible.
is the forward speed from the start of the flare, to the point that it stalls, a constant 70kph? shouldn't the drag from a near standing position, like an "air brake" position" (further increasing the vertical angle to avoid generating lift and increasing altitude, unlike a flare), continue dropping that forward speed down before you land and do a landing roll? you're probably gonna do this maneuver about 3 meters from the ground, by then you won't care about the lift anymore, and just maximize the drag.
No, it’s not a constant speed of 70, I start to flare at around 150, then as I flare I can slow to around 70. As I reach that slow speed my vertical speed picks up. It’s really not possible to land without a very high risk of death. There’s a good reason it hasn’t been done.
@@SteveShipmanBASE can the forward speed of 70 get lower if you further increase the angle of the body, so it generates more drag but not lift? ie : the the body position of a bird trying to land on ground, with the feet outstretched and the body almost leaning backwards? reaching 25-30kph forward speed at the height of 3 meters above ground, is probably survivable with minimal injuries, when you roll as you land. (iirc, many downhill skateboarding crashes at that speed are survivable with minimal injuries) in a 30kph car crash, pedestrian survivability is at 95% estimate.
There’s a basic principle of aviation you’re missing: increase drag = reduce lift. If I were to slam on the breaks with a high drag body position I would start falling faster. Furthermore, in my clarification of the question “can I land a wingsuit” I added “and not be killed or injured”. Even if your theory is correct (it is not correct) I would not be doing something that has a high chance of injury.
@@SteveShipmanBASE "i would be falling faster" if you did that air brake maneuver (not just flare up) at 3 meters from the ground, then falling down is the intention of landing. i've jumped off a roof at almost 5 meters landing on my feet, and fallen off a bike on a downward slope at more than 20kph. my injuries from the bike crash was mostly from the bike, rather than the speed. (most of the energy was lost by skidding/rolling along the ground) if i was on a skateboard (wearing helmet/pads) i'd probably just walk off with a few scratches. edit : i guess my only question is : will there be enough drag force to reduce 70kph to 30kph, in the span of falling down 3 meters? coz i agree, 70kph is unlikely to be survivable.
@@SteveShipmanBASE i'm sorry for pestering you with questions, but the idea is really nagging at me. if you flare up to ascend and air brake stall at 3 to 5 meters as the apex of your trajectory (instead of going all the way to around 250ft of gaining altitude, which it is capable of).. then your fall velocity should be around 8-10m/s for 0.8-1s starting from the apex. i just can't google and find the right info for the projected surface area of a wingsuit, and its drag coefficient. otherwise, i'd just try and calculate the answer. edit : hmm. since it seems that wingsuit is capable of curbing the downward terminal velocity from 192kph (human falling down without wingsuit) to 64kph (human falling downward with a wingsuit), so that's 33% of terminal, the remaining 67% is then converted to forward velocity at 128kph. which should mean that after performing a flare -> air brake stall at 3 meters from the ground as the apex trajectory. (downward velocity should be zero at the apex), then fall for 0.8seconds and reaching 8m/s velocity before hitting the ground. while the drag from the wingsuit should be capable of reducing remaining 128kph forward velocity down to 33%, which should be 42kph.. which is about as fast as an electric skateboard. edit : i just don't know if 0.8 seconds is enough for the drag to drop the forward velocity down to 33%.
@@SteveShipmanBASE OK so an English guy landed on a heap of empty cardboad boxes a few years back, but then again that was more of a soft crash than a landing.
@@SteveShipmanBASE43mph is a easy fall in water. 60mph isn’t even that bad with experience. So if you get experienced at wing suiting it should be a cake walk 😊
Unfortunately I haven’t found it works that way, most of my followers are young men 🤦♂️. Women just think I’m nuts and don’t want anything to do with me. 🤷♂️
Until today, I just assumed they tilted back, and landed on their feet. I never knew they used a parachute. I also assumed they could use updrafts to gain height like a vulture. Having learned these things, the modern wingsuit is quite a disappointment to me. It really is just falling with style.
You are right, it's falling with style, it's not much of a glider. But it's soooo much FUN!! Forget the soaring like a bird image, it's more like an off the rails roller coster with steering control.
@@SteveShipmanBASE I just assumed they worked like most people imagined, because in How to Train Your Dragon the main character made one obviously based off the early TH-cam videos showing them. In particular, that first video from 2005 makes it look like the guy is going uphill for a while over mountains due to the way the camera is positioned.
@@litigioussociety4249 You really believe "most people" imagined what you describe? THat doesn;t make any sense. You not understanding perspective initially doesn't mean anything, it is a glider. It makes no sense at all, to think you can gain altitude without dropping forward speed, this is standard aerodynamics. Drag, thrust, lift, and gravity. Without powered thrust, you HAVE to lose altitude to keep speed. This is perfectly sensical. YOu can gain "some" altitude from heat, but you are mobbing through that heat too fast. A glide is a glide and this is exactly what I always envisioned.
@@jf8138 A normal glider (the airplane with no motor) is able to glide like am the able, using updrafts. I assumed the flight suit was designed to do the same thing. If somebody invented a jetpack of sorts, one would assume it would work like those in movies. No one would expect that the person has to crash land it. There's plenty of VTOL and glider technology that it would be logical to conclude the wingsuit was informed by them, not a separate branch of aviation technology that pales in comparison.
@@litigioussociety4249 This is the dumbest thing I've heard today.
70 kph, would make for one heck of a skipping stone across a lake landing!! 😀
I jump out of 2 skis to barefoot at 50mph. 70kph wouldn’t do anything to someone trained
A guy has landed without a parachute on a lake. Check it out.
@@stick9758 can you elaborate? Do you mean you end up sliding on your feet on snow?
@@Ineffable1111 come down on a river with another person or some kind of a set-up to hold the ski rope, grab rope and barefoot waterski. I know, it’s a crazy idea! But I feel my waterski abilities are there but have only skydived once
@@stick9758 tbh thats really cool and like you say the theory kind of checks out, just scary odds as in if you don't flare perfectly at the perfect time whilst wingsuitin ur dead, but epic to think it is possible. Until this video i had no idea for a moment after flaring u have no downward momentum. I would like to know how long that period lasts. All the best and stay blessed.
And if you land like that in water? At the velocity of 70 kph forward you just gonna slide on water right?
The thought of a possible "survival" landing on water is fascinating to say the least. Debates in the comment section were as entertaining as the video itself. Liked and subscribed :)
Wow. Thanks for this! I love watching wing suit videos, and I have wondered this exact speed question. 70km forward to not be descending anymore. Wow! Now that's falling with style!
Timed just right it is theoretically possible. 43 mph forward crash is very possible when water ski. So, in an emergency, such as your chute, didn't open your best option, is a flare to a stall just above the water.
This channel is highly underrated.
Thanks for saying 😊
Such a great answer for frequently asked silly question. Good job Steve!
I enjoy watching your content
Thanks Alex 😁
It's not such a silly question many years ago someone would of asked do you think it's possible to put on a suit and fly down a mountain and someone probably said no and the other dude said we'll I'm going to try and now we have wingsuits
I disagree its not silly
*It is a good explanation at least as far as flight relationships are concerned.*
You solved my long pending question ig ✨I use to think like if we make enough flare while landing will able to reduce speed and land without parachute 😂
if you could open slits in the wingsuit that it becomes efectivly multiple wings, you could reduce the stall speed and increase the stall angle...But you would introduce massive amounts of drag... but as the gual is to slow down...without stalling maybe the drag is even an added benefit.
I'm 100% sure that a landing solution will be developed for wingsuits at some point. Because militarry. And because Wingsuit pilots try to optimize so many things, at some point they might want to get rid of the added wheight of a parachute...needing a way to land the wingsuit.
I mean if you took the wheel suit people race down mountains with and combine it with the wingsuit if you hit an incline at the right angle you think youd just start rolling down that incline instead, though at tremendous speeds. However pulling off such a feat would be impossible to pull off consistently. Perhaps Im crazy
Yes there’s many potentially possible theories. But I said in the video “just me, without a special projects team”. Also, I don’t consider it to be do-able if there’s a high chance of getting dead.
I flipped a Honda motocrosser at 60mph once. The bike went on and flipped end over end twice while I slid on behind for maybe 50 yards. Lucky thing was the ditch grass was long and I had on a Air Force nylon flight jacket. But, double that speed with a wing suit and pretty sure it would be game over.
So we just need a way to bring down the forawrd speed down to a slow, safe and landable speed at the same time as the stall point. I guess useing a retractable larger wingspan might do the trick, or small parachute. It would take some serious skill though.
If you can invent it I’ll wait till someone else is the test pilot. 😆
Maybe you could land like the Falcon 9 with a suicide burn, but instead with conserved momentum. At the last moment before you touch the ground, fly straight up and slightly back so that all motion is cancelled. the problem is that you only get one shot at it.
Yeah, like I said in the video “and not be killed or injured”. I define “do-able” as easily repeatable, not possibly survivable.
But the question is: have there been attempts to build more "efficiente" wingsuits? Maybe not for landing, but for a longer airtime?
With built in airairbags to absorb the impact . Can airbags explode open right before landing?
I'd aim for the big frozen lake and a long slide. Maybe bring a little braking system.
Maybe you could try approaching a roof top swimming pool but from below pulling a climb and then flare? Or the top of a large water fall.. need somebody on a jetski or boat to pick you up so you don't go over the falls. Niagra?
A giant slide built into the exact landing angle on the side of a mountain! Fly right into the slope of the giant slide, then slide to a stop, somewhere.
If you can flare are get your forward speed to 70khm with 0 down speed it might be technically possible over water. That is under 40knots, speed sailers in Windsurfing and Kitesurfing regularly crash at over those speeds without serious injury. I am not suggesting anyone tries and it might be extremely difficult to do but I would not say it is impossible if you can time the flare precisely.
Yes, it’s possible but the timing would need to be so precise. As I’ve said here many times do-able means easily repeatable not possibly survivable.
@@SteveShipmanBASE Thanks for the info. I did paragliding for a bit but quit because I decided I like living too much. Watching your wingsuit videos makes me realise there are people with a whole different appetite for risk.
@@SteveShipmanBASEI’m am not satisfied with any of your answers it’s you don’t even try to hypothesize any possibilities
That forward speed should be manageable in a flat oiled surface, the problem is that if you flare until you stall all that momentum will get you going upwards and once you stall you are falling back down, so you can't approach the ground at the required angle
1:28 We've seen flyers base jump into a plane in mid-air, going 138km/h. What if there's a ground vehicle going 70km/h so as you flare you land on it?
I fell off my motorcycle going 60mph with nothing but jeans and a hoodie on pavement, 40mph on grass would hurt but i feel like you could be fine, especially on water
What about landing a wingsuit with a pair of waterskis
Or wheels
I agree with your arguments about VVel and HVel. That said, I find myself thinking that there must be a slope, a hillside, somewhere in the world that matches your wing-suit slope starting at the point of VVel=zero. (1m 37s in your excellent video)
That suggests that one might be lucky (and I believe we can not be lucky 100% of the time) to use the very low angle of incidence between the hill-side and the glide slope to abrade some of that HVel, to the point where one could execute that "hit the ground running" of the hang-glider and dissipate the rest of that HVel.
I should add that at no time in my 77 years on this planet have I had the desire to parachute, hang-glide, and especially not launch myself into free-fall from either side of an 8,000 glacial wall.
For that reason I cannot ask anyone to test my theories for me.
And that's all this is: a theoretical point.
Cheers, Chris
I wonder after a flare(stall)、could someone use a 'death diving technique' to break water tension to land on water with a wingsuit. Death diving technique is a technique used to dive into water safely, by novice divers, from high heights. If a stall could be performed 15 meters above water, then, it would be average distance to land into water with this technique.
It should be possible if you get to the 70km horizontal speed because some divers hit the faster than that but I’m not sure how the angle of attack would work
can't you flare and convert all horizontal speed into lift and go up a bit? Flare close to surface, gain some height and lose horizontal speed as a result, and land on a hill that has exact height that you gained?
Lots of motorcycle riders are uninjured after falling from high speeds. Injuries usually happen from sliding into an object. If you timed the landing perfectly and had protective gear on, landed on a flat surface. I think you could Definetly land uninjured. But it’d be extremely risky and the flyer would need to be extremely experienced
DomTomato and a few other parkour athletes can safely jump from 10-12 meters to the ground. What would be the speed of falling if at a height of 10 meters their gliding speed was 15 km/h? Or what would their gliding speed be 10 meters above the ground if their falling speed dropped to the minimum speed that is when they jump from the roof to the ground?
What if you fall from a helicopter below a cliff and then flare up over the cliff and land when your vertical speed is slow enough?
Maybe it is impossible to land in any place ör ground but can ve to special runways which prepared for wingsuits like airplanes.
What if you do the tilt multiple times to drop the forward speed several times? Like you tilt back and when you start falling down you tilt forward to start flying again but this time your forward speed will be less since you lost the momentum and also you are lower to the ground and you do it several times so you lose momentum that much your forward speed will be like 15kmh and when reaching the ground you tilt back again to slow down to zero and land on your feet? Doesn't it work this way?
That’s not going to work, each time you slow the forward speed you will increase your vertical speed. Forward Speed it what’s stopping you from falling fast.
Yeah but could you fly it low enough to the ground and far enough to go to like a slow enough speed to land
considering the fact I crashed a bike doing 100kph on asphalt, I'm pretty sure a 70kph slide in the grass isn't that bad :P
You can bring vertical to zero? If thats possible then i dont see why you cant land it? Jump with a surfboard and land in water
Amazing explanation! ❤
Working on a wing suit with airbrakes and a forward/reverse thrust ill post it when I'm done
Just ad built in landing gear and some hard glider-like wings to the top
70 kmh forward momentum is slow enough to stop safely on a large slip and slide
May be possible in theory, but you’d probably die. I did say “ just me, without a big special project team, and not be killed or injured”.
But if u do this "breaking" in alt 10-20 Meter over water it should be possible. Then u would fall like a normal jump from 10-20 meter. Also it should be possible to land on water with speed 70 forward. it would be like waterski. of course its very dangourous but if u are doing everthing perfect it should be possible. finaly the cliff divers jump 30 meters free. this is speed 100km an straight down. if u have speed 10-20 kmh down and 70 forward u do like a stone droping and slow down slowly. i guess this would work.
If u do all perfect. if :)
I’ll let you me the first to try it 😁
I wonder how high are the chances of survival compared to a fall without a wingsuit. If your parachute fails and you got a wide open field, the chances to survive shouldn’t be that bad if you are able to decrease the vertical speed to about 0 Kmh. Did something like that happened to someone before ?
For sure you would have a better chance of survival in a wingsuit. As I said people have actually survived flying a wingsuit into trees. But thankfully a total parachute failure is pretty much unheard of.
Landing on water were not mentioned on the video. Look it up, there are videos.
Even if you get your vertical speed to 0, or almost 0, you still got 70+ of horizontal, riding your belly on whatever terrain there is, not something anyone would like. However, if someone was able to quickly get yourself and that suit vertical to counteract that horizontal speed.. if that was somehow possible.. idk, wingsuit is still a terrible thing to fly aerodynamically.
No one has ever intentionally landed a wingsuit on water. There’s one video that’s been doing the rounds for a few years, it’s not real.
What if you flair, maybe even vertical as you are about to hit the ground?
Death would be quick
The downward speed approaches 0 but not the forward speed (~70 kmh), which would be like being thrown out of a moving car at full speed. You might not be dead, but definitely severely injured.
@@Johncowk I did say in my video "and not be killed or injured". I consider it to be not do-able it it's not easily repeatable.
What about gary connery? He made a suit with that could be reconfigured to add more drag before landing in like 1000 cardboard boxes but the idea could be extrapolated couldn't it?
Watch the video, I talked about Gary cardboard box landing.
Well, you forgot one thing - wear some water skies and land on water at 70 km/hr as you arc up - that should work if ycan water ski....
Well hope Batman had a way
What if you land in water at 70km? When not falling ...
what if you flared right next to the ground, and the wingsuit was designed in a way to redirect that force into the harness instead of ripping apart your joints?
I think it's possible, just need the right person to give it a shot. Maybe try it over water.
@jeffstepp-ou8re as I’ve said many times on this thread, “maybe” doesn’t work. “Do-able” means easily repeatable, not maybe survivable.
@@SteveShipmanBASE I'm a skydiver I get it, but it's fun to think about. Wing suits are a whole different ballgame, I've never used one. Just be careful man, proximity flying looks amazing but be safe about it.
@@jeffstepp-ou8re *proceeds to get abrasive injury worse than sliding motorcycle accident*
But can you use a sweater as a wing suit as putting you hand in the pockets and make a 330 degree cross?
You forgot one crucial factor in doing this the landing spot… water there was a guy who did it on TH-cam in Italy so if you land in water and you have experience with the suit it’s actually quite possible
Yes, I’ve seen the famous video, it’s not real.
@@SteveShipmanBASE are you sure sir?
@@Ineffable1111 yes. It's as real as Santa Claus.
@@SteveShipmanBASE Oh sweet, so it is real! ;) Great video sir.
Why hasnt anyone built a wingsuit that extends past the hands like the size of a hangglider
It should be noted that some mammals (fFlying squirrels and bats) have evolved with the ability to begin a glide from a height, and end the glide by landing on a solid surface NOT on the round. Bats, for heaven's sake, land upside down - as I understand it! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_squirrel
What if they had a telescopic carbon fiber wing that could extend upon the desire to land... not sure if you could get that to work either... I'd wanna nice skid plate too lol.
Who am I kidding Im not jumping out of a perfectly good airplane etc. Lol
Yeah but then its not really a wingsuit anymore… would be cool tho
Yes, but it’s gonna hurt-probably a lot.😊
is it possible to fly upwards a cliff to get on a point where you stop in the air right at the point where you reaching the cliff and land on it safely? 🤔
We can go up for a few seconds after a diving first to build up energy. What you suggest would take such perfect timing, theoretically possible but in reality way too difficult. As I said before, “do-able” is easily repeatable, not barely survivable.
my naive brain is now thinking that i could do this😅
Can you land it in water?
Horizontal speed of 150 km/h is not a big problem , landing on a smooth unimpeded surface. Motorcycle racers do that all the time (falling off) and much faster.
I have come to a stop from 100 km/h , unharmed.
A vertical speed of 50 km/h is uncomfortable
why don't you just flair before landing in the sea? It wouldn't be any different from falling off a high speed boat.
okay but how do they land? Do they just land in water or use a parachute to land?
We always use a parachute. Sorry I left that out, I thought it was obvious.
What if you deployed a tiny a drag chute like large planes do? Forward speed might be low enough to land?
So technically, if I'd be able to jump off a car at 70 km/h without injuring myself, I'd also be able to land without a parachute?
Sure it’s possible. ButI did say in the video “without being killed or injured”. I think the chance of an injury at 70 Kph is high. For me “do-able” means “easily repeatable”, not “barely survivable“.
@@SteveShipmanBASE Yep, fair enough. Thanks for answering!
It would be not great, not terrible.
Hmmmm….. I think hitting the ground at 70Kph with fit in the “terrible” category 😂
@@SteveShipmanBASE Haha it's a quote from the character Anatoly Dyatlov (which the OP uses) in HBO's Chernobyl when shit hits the fan. Words to live by really.
Have to build a suit that has a Extra pair of wings that can be deployed just before landing.
As I said in the video “with the current technology”. What you’re describing is a machine that is yet to be invented.
Wasnt there someone from the beginning wingsuit days that survived snow impact down a slope?
Yeah, I know of one snow landing that the jumper survived, and a few tree landings. All were unintentional and resulted is severe injuries. I define “do-able” as easily repeatable so I don’t count these accidents.
@@SteveShipmanBASE I will send this video every time I get asked this question now XD
Haha, yeah I made the video because I’ve been asked so many times 😂
i think it could be possible to land on snow tho? while skiing i fell several times beeing at ~100km/h so…😂
i have THE solution: looong and high slackline, you can go lower than that and fly up to it, to actually get 0 kph, if you fail nothing happens because you are still high enaugh about the ground, so not easy but you have endless tries😅 and if you fly parallel to the line you dont have to be as precise
The first issue is finding a slackline conveniently positioned in within terrain that would allow such a manoeuvre. And then, if such a scenario existed then....... land in Wingsuit on a slack line? Really?
@@SteveShipmanBASE i mean i have never been wingsuiting so i can‘t really tell but i thought, just somehow grabbing the line with your hands and hang on it could be possible if you try long enaugh😂
@@paulzauner6896 Really hard to imagine someone grabbing a slackline while going 70 kph
I was wondering if you could survive a lake landing. I've crashed water skiing at high speeds and it's absolutely no issue. Done it over and over. So I don't see why you couldn't if you could establish level flight for a moment.
I said in the video “and not be killed or injured”. For me to consider it do-able it would need to be easily repeatable not possibly survivable. I doubt your waterskiing wipe out was at 70kph.
@@SteveShipmanBASE definitely 70 kph and more! Thats only 43 mph! We used to barefoot ski.
I stand corrected, I don’t know much about waterskiing. Still, a controlled slow down and level out into water from a wingsuit flight would require incredible precision, I won’t be trying it.
@@SteveShipmanBASEI will!
Agreed!@@SteveShipmanBASE
Ok, you can't, but hold my beer! :D
OK, I'm waiting!!
Great graphics
My CGI team worked for weeks on it!
Why does the opening of the parachute, not pull you up like it does in normal skydiving?
;)
Thanks Tracy, great question, maybe I'll make a new video to answer....... 😆
@@SteveShipmanBASE Nice work!
@@tracywalker9291 parachute does not pull you up in "normal skydiving". It only seems that way because the cameraman filming keeps falling at the same speed while the person being filmed slows down.
@sergeig685 I think Tracy Walker might have been asking a joke question 😂
@@SteveShipmanBASE ha, you might be right. I just heard a lot of comments where people were confused by relative fall rates and levels
NO!
There! Saved you 2:18
i wonder, if somebody could flare under a 20m riverbridge, gain altitude and then open (slider down) to land safe near the river. I know that physically it should be possible, but is there anyone who has the skills to do it "safe" and controlled?
Well, they probably died trying.
@@ADogNamedStay why? skyderby shows clearly, that u can gain +100m altitude. Enough for a slider down opening...
I want to wingsuit off of a skyscraper onto a mega ramp on a yacht or barge with a skateboard.
I also want to film the stunt maybe like jackass style or mission impossible gone jackass type of 💩.
And put it in a skateboarding game like Tony Hawk
there was a dude that landed on a snowy slope
Landing on water was sucessfuly acomplished with no injuries.
No it was not. Once again, the video you’re probably referring to is not real.
what about using some sort of additional wings that shoot out to stall forward movement
I said it in the video “with the current technology”. You’re talking about inventing a new machine.
Can you make a take off being towed by a car up wind laying on a rollerboard? Just wondering :D
Even better being launched like a kite dragon by a vinsj from the rooftop of the car?
Haha 😂😂. Anything is possible!
That would likely take a huge speed, idk... 70..100..150 kmh? You wouldn't want to be towed at such speeds on a rollerboard.
i once saw a video, where a wingsuiter started by accelerating with a slingshot from a roof top.
It can be landed, but not like a helicopter. Im sure landing on a calm water will be fine
Water?
You can land anything once.
Guys landed safely on water. So happy thing is - it’s possible on the water but dangerous anyway
No one has deliberately landed a wingsuit on water and survived. There’s one ridiculous fake video that’s been doing the rounds, landing on a lake In Italy. Don’t believe what you see just because it’s on the internet.
@@SteveShipmanBASE thanks 👍
maybe with skies
What if you stall 1m from the ground?
That’s what I was thinking like what if you are flying Lowe’s with the ground and then you just stall that was the question I was looking for
Obviously you would float to the ground like a leaf, why didn’t I think of that:
@@SteveShipmanBASE Is it actually possible to glide all the way down to the ground and a few meters away from the ground you just rear up and land on your feet? I wonder if that’s even possible.
You could attach wheels no! :)))
On the nose :P
I won't be volunteering to be the test pilot.
Land on a snowboard bruddah, flair some gnarly burns! And then hit a jump and go right back to flight ....thhhhhen land
@@DylanfollowerofYah just like in the game!
is the forward speed from the start of the flare, to the point that it stalls, a constant 70kph?
shouldn't the drag from a near standing position, like an "air brake" position" (further increasing the vertical angle to avoid generating lift and increasing altitude, unlike a flare), continue dropping that forward speed down before you land and do a landing roll?
you're probably gonna do this maneuver about 3 meters from the ground, by then you won't care about the lift anymore, and just maximize the drag.
No, it’s not a constant speed of 70, I start to flare at around 150, then as I flare I can slow to around 70. As I reach that slow speed my vertical speed picks up. It’s really not possible to land without a very high risk of death. There’s a good reason it hasn’t been done.
@@SteveShipmanBASE can the forward speed of 70 get lower if you further increase the angle of the body, so it generates more drag but not lift?
ie : the the body position of a bird trying to land on ground, with the feet outstretched and the body almost leaning backwards?
reaching 25-30kph forward speed at the height of 3 meters above ground, is probably survivable with minimal injuries, when you roll as you land.
(iirc, many downhill skateboarding crashes at that speed are survivable with minimal injuries)
in a 30kph car crash, pedestrian survivability is at 95% estimate.
There’s a basic principle of aviation you’re missing: increase drag = reduce lift. If I were to slam on the breaks with a high drag body position I would start falling faster.
Furthermore, in my clarification of the question “can I land a wingsuit” I added “and not be killed or injured”. Even if your theory is correct (it is not correct) I would not be doing something that has a high chance of injury.
@@SteveShipmanBASE "i would be falling faster"
if you did that air brake maneuver (not just flare up) at 3 meters from the ground, then falling down is the intention of landing.
i've jumped off a roof at almost 5 meters landing on my feet, and fallen off a bike on a downward slope at more than 20kph.
my injuries from the bike crash was mostly from the bike, rather than the speed. (most of the energy was lost by skidding/rolling along the ground) if i was on a skateboard (wearing helmet/pads) i'd probably just walk off with a few scratches.
edit : i guess my only question is : will there be enough drag force to reduce 70kph to 30kph, in the span of falling down 3 meters? coz i agree, 70kph is unlikely to be survivable.
@@SteveShipmanBASE i'm sorry for pestering you with questions, but the idea is really nagging at me.
if you flare up to ascend and air brake stall at 3 to 5 meters as the apex of your trajectory (instead of going all the way to around 250ft of gaining altitude, which it is capable of).. then your fall velocity should be around 8-10m/s for 0.8-1s starting from the apex.
i just can't google and find the right info for the projected surface area of a wingsuit, and its drag coefficient.
otherwise, i'd just try and calculate the answer.
edit : hmm. since it seems that wingsuit is capable of curbing the downward terminal velocity from 192kph (human falling down without wingsuit) to 64kph (human falling downward with a wingsuit), so that's 33% of terminal, the remaining 67% is then converted to forward velocity at 128kph.
which should mean that after performing a flare -> air brake stall at 3 meters from the ground as the apex trajectory. (downward velocity should be zero at the apex), then fall for 0.8seconds and reaching 8m/s velocity before hitting the ground.
while the drag from the wingsuit should be capable of reducing remaining 128kph forward velocity down to 33%, which should be 42kph..
which is about as fast as an electric skateboard.
edit : i just don't know if 0.8 seconds is enough for the drag to drop the forward velocity down to 33%.
I feel like I can do it
You can land a wing suit but you can only do it one time 😂
Thank you for making a logical comment. Man there's a lot of idiots out there!!
Tbh I think you can survive being thrown from a moving car at 70 kph, so more like very unlikely but possible
I did say in the video, “….and not be killed or injured….”
@@SteveShipmanBASE the easy answer to this is slip and slide ;)
can you land into water?
IF YOU ARE ABLE TO CUT YOUR VERTICAL TO ZERO AS YOU SAY SO YOU COULD AT THIS POINT LAND...YOU ARE JUST TO SCARED
i will base jump without a parachute 🙂😜😂🤪🤣🥲🤪😊🥸😍😒😎😎😎
I have seeing people flying off motorbikes faster then 70kph. Therefore at least water landings should be possible. Who wants to try?😉
I want to wing suit to barefoot waterski
Yes you can. Once.
True, but I said in my clarification “and not be killed or injured”. My definition of do-able is for it to be easily repeatable.
@@SteveShipmanBASE OK so an English guy landed on a heap of empty cardboad boxes a few years back, but then again that was more of a soft crash than a landing.
If you knew how to dive correctly, then surely you could simply dive into water?
Only Batman can.
As soon as I click it seems obvious
You could easily land in water though!
It could be done yes, in theory, but not “easily”. Timing would need to be perfect, there would be a high risk of injury or death if you get it wrong.
@@SteveShipmanBASE43mph is a easy fall in water. 60mph isn’t even that bad with experience. So if you get experienced at wing suiting it should be a cake walk 😊
You need to set uo a bunch of boxes and get comfortable with your stall height.
I'm gonna do it one day and I'll get all the women
Unfortunately I haven’t found it works that way, most of my followers are young men 🤦♂️. Women just think I’m nuts and don’t want anything to do with me. 🤷♂️
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Boring...
😭😭 I'm heartbroken. Thanks for watching anyway. 😂
Bullshit theres people who've landed in just water
I don't believe that's true. But tell me who and when and I'll stand corrected.
I am sure the arm chair quarterback knows more than the practitioner of the discipline - the hubris of some....
Haha, my thoughts exactly 😂. I was trying to be polite.