How Labour lost, and the hope that endures | Anywhere but Westminster
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- John Harris and John Domokos finish their election road trip with a rain-sodden journey to Milton Keynes alongside enthusiastic young Labour activists, followed by a repeat visit to Stoke-on-Trent - where they watch the party's working class vote collapse, the endpoint of a story Anywhere But Westminster has been tracing for 10 years. But in among the electoral rubble, they find overlooked signs of a better future
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London people telling people outside of London how to vote. What could possibly go wrong?
isn't that every politician as well, though?
Thornberry, Starmer, Corbyn a tight little London clique engaged in student politics. How do such people get to the top of Labour?
Champagne socialists at their finest
Delusional Islingtonians
Thing is. For every shouty justice warrior, there are 1000 people without twitter that can vote.
Agreed, but that ratio is falling day by day as every new voter will have some sort of online presence.
"Yeah, totally"
And this is something they can't grasp.
The most insightful political commentary I've heard years.
I got permanently banned from twitter, you’ve got to sing the same songs to be a twitter member otherwise your comments are removed and eventually you get banned.
Labour are finally realising the world doesn’t revolve around twitter.
Exactly. Students.
Still a long way to go
Im not sure they are.
They put all their focus and energy on securing the young vote with their outrageous policies and buzz word crammed speeches knowing they are naive enough to believe it. Totally forgot about everyone else though and paid for it. You can now truly see the delusion that runs through the party with how they are unable to come to terms with the genuine reasons and failures that have lead to what’s labours worst result in almost 85 years.
savage but true!
Never seen so many privileged people telling everyone else how they should think
Well that's exactly what happened on Election Day.
Of course not. Neither you nor I are allowed in Whitehall, Wapping Newscorp or the Stock Exchange without the correct validated security pass.
Or how they should feel
@@adamsmith307 Yes, all those rich privileged people up North...haha
The Labour party is the party of the smug, upper-middle class university educated "socialist" who has nothing but sneering disdain for the historic labour voter.
What the labour party don't understand (or maybe they do but don't care) is that the working class they used to represent are and always have been socially conservative. And the thing the Middle-class, student socialist type labour party we have hate the most is social conservatism
sonofeast11 you are 100% right we’ll get our people back
Go to a private school. Lots of labourites who are very like this.
sonofeast11 by nature English people are social conservative even the staunch labour voter in those mining communities are Christian conservatives... we’ll take our Labour Party where it belongs we are not gonna give up now
@@joecramp2987 sinister
@@rodrigorodders7173 THe party gave up on you by desiring to replace you with foreigners. You wanna be THAT beaten of a housewife?
That was not a "loss" - that was a public humiliation.
@Hans Hummer It seems like a lesson not learned as well from the excuses made and Corbyn not resigning straight away. Likely a Corbynista will take over from him and eventually Labour will not be main opposition.
It was the modern political equivalent of being whipped naked through the streets
It reminded me of when Loki got spanked by The Hulk.
It was justice.
Wonder how many are regretting that conservative and brexit vote these days. Not working out to well for the UK these days.
This is what you get for turning your back on the working class
the working class man and women from yesterday year is getting smaller, they have gone lower middle class now, holidays abroad, second car, house extensions, second homes even etc....yes this country has problems but overall people are better off....I come from a working class family (Dad was a truck driver, Mum a cleaner) Yet I bought my house, run a van and car, we holiday twice a year, and had COVID not stepped in we are looking to buy a holiday let in Florida....the working class image is from a different age. If Labour want to be elected again then center left is the only option just ask Blair 🤷
the white working class
@@DUCATEA absolutely spot on. The working class hasn't been the majority for decades. It is the lower middle class that decides the government, and the Tories are much better at listening to what they (we) want.
It was the biggest and most ambitious manifesto for working people that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The "Labour have abandoned the working class" schtick was a con, it always will be a con. And if you fell for it, and voted for Boris and his smash grab job on public money because he said "Get Brexit done" well I guess you got conned too.
@@DUCATEA Blair wasn't really Centre Left , he was a pure Centrist masquerading as Centre Left.
Regardless of his political views , purely as a person he is piece of excrement.
Labour got exactly what they deserved
They got more than they deserve they shouldn’t have any seats at all the communists
Sorry John Labour has for decades now been totally divorced from the values and instincts of most provincial working-class British people, the type of people who staffed British industry and filled the ranks of the British army. Labour dislike our history and traditions and want to change us as a recognisable people. They just go on about the institutions, like the NHS, that have been made possible by a group of people bonded together by shared and self-confident history and values; while doing everything possible to destroy those bonds.
I can't believe Labour thought that saying they would set up a committee to investigate British history and identify if we need to pay compensation to any countries for anything that happened during the British empire would do anything other than alienate proud British working class people.
@@seamuskirkpatrick1 Patriotism, self-reliance, family, and to keep what you earn. To name a few.
Myus, could you please explain what so-called "history", "traditions" and "bonds" English people share? I genuinely am an adult who has no idea about the history and traditions of my own nation and am definitely not just asking this question in bad faith, feigning ignorance because I want to bait you into saying something that I can deliberately misconstrue in order to accuse you of racism or anything. **Ruffles Guardian quite smugly as he relishes the thought of his incredibly clever plan**
@@Mister.Weatherbee ... While not having to pay for schooling, doctor's appointments, surgery, the filling of potholes. To name a few a caveats.
@@SO-SOgood those are not "values". That's not part of a person's value structure. It's just social welfare.
1:26 this is why Labour lost, because rather than being the party of Labour Class, it became the party of the Metropolitan College Socialist that never had a proper day of Labour in their lifes
I don't disagree. What I don't understand is why a disaffected Labour voter would actively vote Conservative rather than abstaining/spoiling their ballot or voting for the Greens or a local independent?
Nailed it. Permission to copy and cite your name.
Philip Harper Possibly bc it would amount to being the same thing. A “non-voting” Labour voter is a vote for the more popular party.
@@pvm6732 I don't think I follow. Correct me if I'm wrong but these people haven't just decided they support The Conservative Manifesto (or have they, is that what I'm missing?). My understanding is that they are disaffected with Labour and not suddenly pro Tory. So why not vote for a party that is closer to their beliefs or spoil their ballet? I have heard people on the radio saying they voted Conservative but were gutted when they heard the result?
@@filusmaximus They in many cases did. The Brexit Party most certainly assisted the Tories in breaking the Red Wall but there was also a considerable shift for the Tories. For these traditional left and working-class voters in Labour strongholds feelings of Euroskepticism are very strong. Combine Corbyn's indecisiveness on a stance on Brexit with the Tory manifesto being a departure from the Thatcherite feelings that have dominated the party since the '80s and a return to a more Harold Macmillian-esque interventionism and economic populism and it was the perfect storm for this historic result. Much like the American Rust Belt these areas had been abandoned by the governments of both major parties and the party that dominated these regions (Labour in the Midlands, Northeast and Northwest, Democrats in the Rust Belt) had really only paid lip service to these communities as they continued to decline. This decline predates the last decade of Tory administration as another commenter was unable to understand why these voters would vote Tory knowing that. It goes back to Thatcher and Blair. In the end, they (in my opinion correctly) associated their decline with neoliberal policies of both parties which are also associated with membership in the EU. One too many betrayals and indecisive policy points on Brexit did this to Labour. If Jeremy Corbyn had stuck with the left Euroskepticism he had so many years ago and still probably has at heart, this result would have been different.
That young dude on the bus said they need to find out why people voted for Brexit, I thought those reasons were abundantly clear and explained ad nauseam?
Cubeh if they’re clear, the Labour Party did nothing to connect to those reasons or those people.
What he really meant was we need to persuade people they were wrong for voting brexit
Ironically Corbyn was always opposed to the EU, so I've read, but whatever. He probably saw this sort of resentment of the EU over the horizon, but the Labour members are largely remain. Ten years on this country will be different again. Most of the Brexit crowd will be dead and gone, and the thirty somethings that are full on Labour will be in middle age....
@@SEAL341 generally people grow up and out of left wing politics once they understand what life is all about so today's labour vote has always been tomorrow's Tory vote.
Mr. Braddock I’m 30 now and detest Labour. They’ve made me a minority in my own city. You’re deluded to put it politely. I would never vote Labour!
The Guardian itself represents exactly those views that cause labour to be so much on the nose. Carry on Guardian and you will be history too.
There is almost nothing worth reading on the Guardian's website this week.
Andrew Blake true
Did you know that you can get gift aid on your Guardian subscription because it is a charity? It is set up to provide employment to journalists who cannot get work in newspapers which are financially successful.
@@billgiles3261 that needs to be challenged. Charities are forbidden from political campaigning. The purpose of the charity is in its constitution or Articles of Association.
Henry Law I am sorry that my pathetic attempt at humour failed to please you. So just for you: “I wonder if you can get gift aid on your Guardian subscription, because it looks like a charity seeking donations to provide employment for journalists who cannot get employment in newspapers which actually make a profit.”
"I voted Conservative for the first time in my life" Instead of asking "Why?" The clueless Guardian dude asks "How do you feel?" Classic !! That's why ! These people are completely clueless.
Low key trying to shame him.
@@tlome8033 Excellent analysis. You are totally correct.
You know you lost when you can't even get your people to show up and vote.
pik nick a lot of potential labour voters can’t register because they’re fiddling benefits
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I can't believe I used to be a card carrying member of this lot. Gave it up after Blair's second term. Unfortunately, there is no Harold Wilson-type on the horizon.
Jess Phillips?Starmer as no 2?
@@jbagger331 Usually Phillips is articuate.
Check out the For Britain party led by Anne Marie Waters.
Common sense, new ideas and very courageous
Still sneers at the sick old man for not voting how he's expected.
who you calling a sick old man. not very nice
Will this is how you extract the causes of his voting as journalist
Stupid thing to have an election in December? Maybe so, however it was also stupid for Corbyn to bang on about wanting an election and then backtracking when Boris called his bluff
Yes, Labour delayed the election and now they moan about it.
“Not feeling well, I’ve got emphysema”
“Never mind about that, who you voting for?”
Could’ve asked if he needed anything.
I'm not sure I've ever encountered anyone who claims to want Brexit in order to save the NHS.
This.
Boris Johnson 😂?
I always expect John to breakdown in tears at the end of each episode!
Maybe that's why he always holds the camera wonky ;)
He has heart.
The Guardian's fault. Some of us can still remember the editorial that appeared in The Guardian the day after the Brexit referendum, that ran along the lines of... "The working class shouldn't be allowed to vote".
“We are told to remember the idea and not the man. Because a man can fail. He can be caught, he can be killed and forgotten. But 400 years later, an idea can still change the world"
Terrible ideas should be forgotten however.
Unfortunately they voted for BoJo, though.
Not all ideas change the world for the better.
Was that Stalin or Lenin ? Hitler maybe ?
And all these years later, millions of deaths later, ~half dozen collapsed economies/countries later, people like Corbyn advocate the socialist ideas that are currently destroying Venezuela.
Sometimes, it's for the worse.
Thank you John, the Anywhere but Westminster series have been phenomenal in the level of journalism you are providing, I hope you continue to document the changes that will be enacted over the next 5 years by the current government, and show people the continuation of London-centric policies that will further harm towns and cities around the UK. But y'know, at least they can 'Get Brexit Done'....whatever that means.
Adam Le Bree you have learnt nothing from the results.
London centric? Have you not noticed that Labour is now an elitist London centric party?
@@ladyfemi4288 I never mentioned the Labour Party? I was praising the journalistic discourse of the ABW series while hoping they will continue to show the damage being done around the country.
@@ladyfemi4288 The Conservatives are an elitist London centric party.
@@MrMmnngghh That's not true, and you know it. They wouldn't have got that vast majority if that was true, this is coming from someone that wanted to vote Labour. Only people that vote Labour seem to be us, the youth and those who have vowed to never vote Tory.
@@MrMmnngghh Most of London was red as well dude, I just don't understand ...
The SNP should be the model for Labour. They are a genuine mass grassroots movement that working class people rural, urban and suburban get behind in massive numbers. They also have a unashamedly left-wing stance and message.
And, most importantly, a strong leader. Like it or not, Corbyn has not been a strong leader.
Its the young of that country I feel for. I never seen old people as self centered and greedy like those in the UK. They had every benefit the state could throw at you. Free NHS, social housing, university grant. Now they deny those same rights to others.
They're a nationalist party, at the end of the day that's their appeal. The Tories leaving the EU is in essence a nationalist party. When you figure this out, and mix it with left wing economics you tend to be really popular.
Because they are nationalists and rely on Scottish identity. Labour hates Britain and britains identity
@@1gadena lol if you live outside London the last 10 years, you should probably hate who's been giving you crumbs and not investing in your local services while jobs move outside the country.
Key you should hate the Tories for failing to invest in anywhere but London. Hopefully this ends under Boris but I doubt it.
“The movement.” They speak like the Labour Party didn’t exist before they got involved. The manner of these people alone will never resonate with the Labour electorate.
This video shows that grassroots Labour activists who were knocking on the doors, knew nothing about why working class people voted to leave. Need to completely re-evaluate who Labour are sending out to campaign if they want to win the next election.
"The history's gonna be so much sweeter"
Beautiful.
Hans Hummer house prices have risen 61% relative to economy and I’m self employed. I have confidence on these fronts. Recession in Germany, France, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal don’t warrant too much worry either.
@Hans Hummer House prices need to come down. Although they probably wont.
The working classes don't won't to compete for there jobs with the whole world.
Too late
@Alice Rabbit my grandfather fought for the British Crown. He was drafted from Belize and served in Asia during ww2. Does he not deserve UK citizenship because he is black? You literally had millions of Indians and Afro-Caribbean people's fighting your wars.
@Alice Rabbit well, if I'm fighting for a country, dont I deserve to reap some their benefits? Belize lacks post graduate school. Belize doesn't have the population and resources as the uk. Most of the foreigners(mainly British and Canadians) are buying up property which in turn causes the cost of living to increase.
P.S. The allies won WW2.
Against the Chinese in the sweet shops.
@Arfur Fuxxakes er...I've no idea what they were thinking. EU freedom of movement means that they couldn't if they wanted to. If you want Immigration from Africa and Asia, have a word with Angela Merkel who decided to open europes gates to anyone without thinking to ask. At the very least, People could (after brexit) actually hold their own politicians accountable - Imagine that !
The people never mentioned their local MPs...
It was always Johnson v Corbyn.
Almost like a Presidential race 🤔.
to keep the public docile and uninformed.
@@MrMmnngghh just accept the result mate, we need to move on together. That's how democracy works.
And many wanted to leave Europe because "they didn't know who their MEP was"...
@@IDK-eu7dv I don't live in Britain anymore. I did during most of the eighties, all of the nineties, and the first little bit of the new millennium. Britain's chance at a bright future came at the point when Major handed over to Blair; on reflection, Major was a mostly decent chap with a lack of personality and a terrible cabinet, especially Lamont. Blair started off like a rocket then got dragged into U.S. foreign policy shenanigans, then it was downhill through from Brown to Cameron to May to Johnson.
The sad part is, is that there a plenty of talented, articulate, thoughtful, resilient and proactive people in England. From all walks of life and social strata. Unfortunately that doesn't sit well with the institutions and corporations, both domestic and overseas, that run the show behind the curtains, so it's back to divide and conquer again.
@@MrMmnngghh ok boomer
"Equality, helping the poor and fairness Yah".
"Now where's my Uber?".
🎶Send in the clowns🎶
Oh dear, a little embarrassing really.
How Labour lost? Number One, they ignored their core voters who believe that the EU cannot be held accountable, Number Two, The manifesto was a joke and they were willing to drop the country into unbelievable debt, Number Three, Corbyn - his personality and the way he favours the enemies of the country at the expense of the citizens of the country, Number Four, The Party Leadership whose focus controlled by momentum in perceived to be inside the M25 who thinks that the "Northern" Working Class no longer count as Working Class as that label belongs to their Peps in London. Until they get shot of the hyper opinionated clowns directing the party they'll have no chance of winning back voters.
@Bessie Hillum Two years no and the only things that have changed is, Corbyn is a none entity, and his replacement is a failed lawyer also a none entity.
Haha I love the based salt of the earth tatted up old geezer letting him know how it really is.
"But what about Boris? You know he's Eton educated!!" - (more resentment towards the wealthy)
"Well I wish I was too"
Based.
Yes. Brilliant! He has no chip on his shoulder. He votes out of aspiration rather than a grudge. And the interviewer just doesn't understand him at all and comes out with rubbish about the NHS. Turns out that Labour have just as many NHS scandals as the tories do.
@@loopbackish wasn't the interviewer's point more that labour are more likely to provide the safety net from which a poor and unwell person like him can start climbing towards his aspirations, as opposed to the tories who are more likely to cut it?
TomYeeha not anymore. And Corbyn would just make the whole country very very poor
@@domzbu No, he wouldn't have and you know that. The man at the end's opinions were misinformed and largely ignorant but I don't really blame him for that with the landscape we live in
@@francisr8563 I bet you pretend not to see when Thorrnberry coasts by in the back of her Bentley swigging champagne.
When Labour accepts that British Nationalism does not have to be right wing. They may get elected into power again.
Hear, hear.
outside of London is another world.
WanoLab….so is inside London believe me..... !
That world's called England
John - a heartbreaking and honest account - gently delivered with care and respect. A great journalist (maybe one of the few left). So hope that Ruth gets back soon - her voice is much needed. Not a time to throw accusations - but to come together to reconnect with what unites us - and totally agree Labour has to connect to grassroots movements - community groups that cooperate collectively to help each other (the new cooperative movement). Still struggling to understand the disconnect as there were great policies that would have made a real differences in left behind places - but listening to the voices you brought to my ears was sobering and must be listened to so they can help write the polices for the future. Policy writing cannot just be in the party bubble of members - but must reach out to voters. These places must be won back in 5 years and the rebuilding must start now. Thanks for what you and the production team do.
Well said....I agree with all of that.
Dave Lee carry on with your co-ops and grassroots and collectivism, it’s not gonna get you anything other than a bookshop or a whole food shop on the high street.
Collectivism, at any and all costs, is exactly why Labour (and the American Democrat party) have failed and will continue to fail. Willful ignorance, blame, elitism, and gross lack of self-awareness.
Labour are now kids, Commies and the CBI.
A very decent person, she.
3:57 - Q: "Do you get a sense of what the conservative party is all about?" A: "I feel like they are the party that you vote for if you want to keep the wealth you have accumulated over your lifetime and your parents have accumulated over their lifetime." .... lmfao. What a crazy thought, that even working class people who have worked hard for the entirety of their lives would want to keep the wealth and property that they've earned.
Exactly, which is why right to buy was VERY popular amongst the working class
4:01 lad reflects on how unjust that people should keep their own money
Another reason i voted Conservative. I want to keep my hard earned money. That's a fair society, through education and opportunity. That's the path out of poverty.
@@craig581 how dare you wish to look after your future generations' financial well being.
You want to keep your own money and give it to your children rather than that guy? Racist!!!! (sarc)
It is not really your money. It is the pocket money that the government allows you to keep. It is just that Labour is a mean parent, taking money away from the hard working to give to the idlers, the fiddlers and the feckless.
3:30 "The victory's going to be so much sweeter" HAHAHAHA
We don't want Brexit to fix the NHS, we want Brexit to stop the NHS from getting worse through helping to lower the high growth rate of the population!
But where are all those British doctors, when I've been in hospital they're immigrant doctors treating white British people.
@@chriswatson3464 because the NHS has swamped with foreign doctors they has no incentive to train up native labour anymore by governments sadly
Margaret Thatcher did for the railways?
I understood it was under Harold Wilson, that the most severe cuts took place?
They even closed more pits than thatcher too
Actually it was MacMillan then Douglas-Hume in charge when the process began. Dr Richard Beeching was hired to produce a plan that would save fortunes on British railways. He proposed axing a third of the network and this was implemented under Wilson. The irony is that within a very few years a mixed diesel-electric system could have been in place, replacing coal and avoiding the 'dash for cars'. Beeching actually saw road transport as modern, efficient and clean. Strange how the world turns.
It was WW2 that did for the railways - allied to a post war dependency on steam traction to keep the NUM and ASLEF happy.
@David McCallum as I said - 'this was implemented under Wilson'. Are you an echo or just one of those who don't actually read what you comment on? Is your voice really so important?
You've got to lose socialism, or you'll lose your party!
They think more socialist ideas are the answer. Labour needs to swing back to the centre, or face annihilation.
Fabianism was a bad idea.
Mmm... simplification maybe but definitely am left with the sense Leavers left Labour
JTR And Labour left Leavers and the British working class.
@Nathan-DTS
Socialism isn't far left now? My how has the overton window shifted.
People love "socialism" on its face because it looks like 0 cost charity, until the people realize what they're paying through taxes and what industry the government takes over, and inevitably stagnates.
@Nathan-DTS
You also have loads of people coming in, many of whom can't possibly pay as much back into the system, straining the funding. Ever notice the NHS deficit going up as immigration does?
You labelled half your voting base gammon, shut down any cries about mass immigration as the talk of "facists", the entirety of your front bench had the benefit of private education while looking to remove the opportunity for everyone else, the list goes on....The Labour party is tone deaf. Champagne socialists.
@Nathan-DTS Socialism by definition, is far left. You nitwit.
"I voted Conservative for the first time in my life" Instead of asking "Why?" The clueless Guardian dude asks "How do you feel?" Classic !! That's why !
A minibus full of believers being dropped off to spread their message in a town they've never visited before. Shouldn't they be giving everyone a copy of the Watchtower?
A working class revolt against the so called party of the working class. How ironic!
Forgive me but I don't see the point in revolting against the opposition. They've not contributed any to the problems of modern Britain and they continually get the blame. Now it's for us to suffer another 5 years.
Callum Pritchard Labour isn’t working class enough and in too few places.
@@jonathancooper4914 This could the be revival of One Nation Conservatism, sensible politics for all class
Let's see after 5 years of inevitable broken Tory promises how that'll stand up...
these days labour is for the non working class
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died…
Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton
For your ribbons and bows
And everybody knows. Leonard Cohen
Apart from all the politics,
Can we show the old bloke some love?
Hope he got better :)!
Ruth lost her seat by 6,000 votes. The Labour party needs a hard look at itself.....
Jose Olivares LWEP
A great result. No point in Labout looking at themselves. They all wear rose tinted spectacles.
You know they won't. They'll just double down and claim they had won the argument all along. A leftist will never, EVER admit he's wrong.
We all know that if the left loses then its rigged. I mean just look at twitter. Lol
This is probably the only part of the Guardian that gets it.
Labour supporters really dont have a clue do they. Im so glad they got routed. Time for a more intelligent movement now.
Scubasausage let’s see how that works out for you
@@kaspermichaels2520 salty
Heartbreaking to watch. this series has been great, tough viewing at times, but necessary - keep it going. Ruth Smeeth a Labour MP, asking "what is the point in the Labour Party?" I hope all labour members reflect seriously after this horror show of an election, not to navel gaze, or to look for someone or something to blame, just to ask themselves, what is the point? and how do we listen to people and look for solutions? The atomisation of society has massively harmed political discourse, we've lost the art of argument, of disagreeing without branding someone evil. And communities traditionally where those conversations took place have gone - we're just left with narcissism and bile on twitter.
dont forget facebook, as the election loomed and looked on dodgy ground for labour suuport ,,,,the activists went into hyper rhetoric mode 10-----really hard to pull up support when a fanatical student is openly calling you a c###----they could,nt get their point across with normal discourse so resorted to the lowest form of lanuage to try and bully there way through a very hard manifesto balls up
@Daniel, did you even read what Andrew Smith wrote?
We just watched the most impressive way to fail since 1935
It's not over until Greta sings!
martynblackburn1977 she sang her first tune by admitting that the school strikes were ineffective.
"No matter what the result is today, or tomorrow, the movement can only grow from this"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bussing in the Waitrose light infantry and telling people how to vote is not gonna be a vote winner.
All the things that the young women said at the beginning made my stomach churn.
These people have lost so much hope.
The most difficult prison to escape from is the one you create for yourself.
Look where they live, the prison isn't just in their mind.
@@Jimmy4video it's not a prison. In some ways it's worse. At least in prison you're guaranteed food and shelter.
@@2020_Visi0n yeah but you have less chance of getting stabbed in prison.
Its only a prison if you build it yourself reap what you sow UK
Give it a rest will ya?? They are probably in the pub having a few beers!! Prison? Never read such fantasist drivel
The Guy saying People wanted Brexit because of fears over the NHS lol,that alone tells you how out of touch these loons really are.
Read Dr David Owen's take on the E U and the NHS there are massive european medical company's waiting to carve it up. The enemy's of the NHS are closer than you think.
I wondered where he was going with it.......”Leave voters did it for labour reasons like the NHS”.......wait what.
Post election, I have just watched the entire series. Superbly done and reflects the mood of the country. Well done by the Guardian team that produced this segment.
"But Eton Educated, very wealthy?"
"Well yeah, wish I was"
Sums up everything nicely. Its not enough to hate somebody from the background they come from just because it was better than yours.
Oh look, it's John Harris, The Guardian's token northerner
'Wish I was.' Strange how this little film made me tremendously sadder than after the election results, even though I'm in no way a Labournite.
Never vote Labour again ever!
Two words seem to typify current UK politics. Cognitive Dissonance.
Murdoch poison
@@mykehog6646 The right wing press pretty much manufactured consent for Johnson
@@Flannel535 cognitive impairment and cognitive dissonance are separate.
What one in your opinion, do you show the obvious signs of having?
Tory Knobheads
@Nathan-DTS - Lack of empathy for the working class is exactly why your commies lost.
I find the young activists hopeful, but also naïve. Not sure they are going to fix labour.
Symbioticism only getting the Labour Party out of London will fix it.
@@jonathancooper4914 I agree with that, the coalition starts outside of London and then slightly nuances to pick up those easy metropolitan votes inside London. Not the other way around.
Very naive. As a Conservative I believe in democracy so we do need a strong opposition to keep us on our toes. Not going to get it from those 'children'. Very very naive.
Really? Then you'll be impressed by the video thats doing the rounds from the protest last night of a girl wishing BJ to die a slow and horrible death....
She wants to be a Doctor.....
What do you think about that?
@Realist 1801 Those strikes were people fighting for a livelyhood, and they got zero support from the government. I was there too!
Thanks John. What a brilliant series. A rare journalist left at The Guardian who still pays attention to the nuances of the people of this country rather than the repulsive new age identity politics that is so prevalent in the Guardian circles.
Tony Blair said when he won in 1997 "The working class have no where to go", and he was right until Brexit!
thats what obombas aids said in the usa....
@@uttaradit2 Who is obomba?
@@honved1 Joe Biden's president My Boss.
So where are the working class going, now? On the dole.
I'm here for the comments from salty globalises
Likewise, guardian comments section is a gold mine
Can't spell what you want to make fun of lol
TOTAL FREEDOM You lost lad.
More salt than the dead sea. love it!!!
Baggy jumper student's thinking they know best. They are so blinkered. Momentum only hear what they want to hear, probably because they only speak to themselves.
I am working class but Labour did not stand for anything I believe in. The young party members don’t know what a left wing government would bring.
I don't think there was one working class person in that Labour bus.
Why did Labour lose? One word...Guardianista's
Cheers from NZ. This series IS my window into how it's going back in the old country. Thanks for all your efforts. Keep it up, please.
lots of nice middle class people telling working class how to vote
3:26 "I'm ready for more 'cos the victory is going to be so much sweeter amongst all this adversity..."
Wonder how the crushing defeat felt? lol
These people are so full of nonsense - they see everybody as a Victim, a Saviour or a Villain - when in reality most people are just trying to get by.
I have no doubt that the volunteers in this video are well intentioned but they are crushingly naive. This country isn’t nearly as horrendous as the people in this video think it is.
Let me put it another way to you Chris, these people think they represent the working class, but when they ask what the working class and they say for example immigration control, they ignore the working class. Well if you dont agree with what the working class desire then you dont by default support/represent the working class do you.
You dont get to choose what the working class want and desire.
First Name Completely agree.
These are undoubtedly the best vox pops done by any major media outlet. But, despite my admiration for their message of grassroots change, they have not swung my vote. It’s a simple lack of direction and leadership from labour that is the biggest tragedy of this election.
A former New Castle resident now in Texas here. I was a Left once. As a youth, lived in the UK and US, I was a hard Left hating the Republican. I moved to San Francisco and learned their lies, radical fees, fines and taxes. They survive on fees and fines and still are broke, I mean crazy amount. I now am a loyal Republican. I even canvas for the Left in the pass. Socialism, you will pay for those frees and corporations will move away and you'll be unemployed. It is easy to buy a house and get a job here in Texas and we get half the immigrants from failed California. We just made it harder to make Texas a State Income Tax state because we know they'll get the numbers and love spending.
Boris is "very wealthy".
And Jeremy Corbyn isn't?
Do me a favour.
Love this series and I hope it continues.
As for the content, the young black chap nailed it perfectly.
If Boris Johnson had said that exact sentence, you'd have had a fit?
Why is it OK for you to write it?
Not bad reporting but it clearly demonstrates how insulor and focused on London current Labour is.
What divisive statement: he is educated in Eton? This is the most divisive statement that I've heard from a Guardian journalist.
I attended a labour meeting run by momentum for a laugh.The chairperson(im with it), started by apologising "as a white person" for slavery.Then they proceeded to blame Brexit for all shortcomings and ignoring questions they did not like.Iwas kicked out for attempting to ask about anti-Semitism.And they still refuse to listen.
That sounds like a South Park caricature of a Labour meeting.
"Joined the Blair years" now voting Conservative. Mental. New Labour was never really Labour. More like Lib Dem.
but it.... WON
Quite probably true, but if that's the case, 'Labour' hasn't won an election since the 70s
@@vibeuk2003 New Labour and the Wars and Economic ruin it created elected Boris today, those people didn't get enough or never saw a fraction the profits business and wealth did.
The third way was more liberal than labour but only in parts . It understood that in order to invest in public services it had to embrace parts of capitalism and individualism over collectivism . It was left of centre but centrist . It lost its way towards the end, but they all do. At least they got into power to invest in hospitals , schools., infrastructure etc The current Labour Party never got close and that’s sad
Yet New Labour won 3 election landslides.
Corbynism has lost TWICE, and this is the worst Labour performance EVER.
We need to Expel the Momentum cult from the party forever if there’s any hope of winning before 2030.
3:57 so are they saying that as if it's a bad thing? That people who have earned money want to keep it? Is labour just a harbour for lazy people who want to get money for free of of those that have earned it?
"I've got emphysema". Response: "Have ya?, well that was quite important for us..." Nice and caring I see, just want him to help with your agenda and no thought for him whatsoever!
haha, watching this was brilliant - haven't enjoyed anything like this since the election night itself!
It's great that politics is alive and well but having to ship in London activists tells you how far removed Labour have shifted, the revolution has been rejected by the silent majority.
Team GB not team London
That comment at the start summed up this election for Labour perfectly ‘Milton Keynes needs people, cmon get out of London’.
*Labour Party offers significantly better funding for public services and policies to give lower income people a better chance in life.
Everyone in this documentary "LaBouR hAve tUrneD thEre Bac oN thE wOrkIn clASS" (no explanation offered)
Hello it's Ruth Smeeth 'from the London chattering class'
I really like John's videos they should win awards. Sadly the political class of Labour don't listen to the people they represent. The problem with the new university class and momentum are patronising arrogant and condescending and lectures the working class why they are wrong. Rather than doing what they were told to do. While the Torys have started putting forward working class candidates. LABOUR!! Play this video at you University lectures.
Yes, and young people grow up and realise utopia doesn't exist.
Seeing the results in Milton Keynes and Stoke, it becomes clear where Labour's problems lie. Too little attention has been paid to:
1) Gender studies
2) Solidarity with the poor in Congo
3) The discrimination of transgender males over 36
4) Free taxi rides for students
5) The high rate of central heating in mid winter, adding dangerously to climate change
Etc.
So funny because it is so true lol
or instead just accept that we voted Leave and do what you said in 2017 and "got Brexit done".
Labour out of business, now get the Guardian to go bankrupt!
A powerful eye opening series, thank you John to you and your team. it’s been hard to watch but necessary.
Labour have still not learnt a thing
I've used clips from this series in my classroom (teaching ESL and English culture, in a EU country). Thank you for your work guys, this has been an amazing journey. Top-notch journalism.
I'm also an ESL teacher (in Germany) and would love to use this series but unfortunately don't think my students are advanced enough to understand :(
@@milesthemelonator Maybe with subtitles?
@Gus McCrae I am not sure what you're talking about. Despite the name, I am a dual citizen of EU and UK, and was born in the EU from expat parents. That IS my country. Also, I teach ESL (English as SECOND LANGUAGE) which is not really useful to native speakers?
What you have to understand is that there is absolutely nothing that unites us. Especially in a political context.
' Like , like yeah 'guys' we need to talk to some of those 'working class' people who will definitely relate to us bobble hatted trendies and 'join the movement'. I'm sure if us middle class activist's - in our finest we know what's best for you way - point out the error of their judgement in voting for Boris's clear cut Brexit policy then they will vote for Brexit betraying , terrorist sympathizing Jeremy who has presided over a Labour Party engulfed in a toxic anti-semitism crisis . Nice one 'guys' . Like coolio . Much luv . Ciao '.
Pass the sick bucket .