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5x5 Showdown: HLG 650R Diablo vs. HLG 600Rspec (Featuring my new PPFD measuring machine!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ส.ค. 2024
- The 650R Diablo and 600Rspec from Horticulture Lighting Group are 2 great lights for a 5x5 tent, but there's a pretty significant cost difference between the 2. Is the 650R Diablo worth the extra cash for your 5x5 grow? Maybe these PPFD test results in a 5'x5' tent can help you decide.
Now that's an absolutely dope measuring system. I'm impressed.
The best I have seen, this dude has it sorted
Thanks gents. Still working on getting it to accommodate smaller measurement spaces like 4x4, 3x3, etc. I think I've got it figured out though.
That's what she said
Till u realize par doesnt even measure the absolute spectrum and or that par is only to measure effeciency. Youll see way more difference in spectral quality affecting yeild and potency than par. Dli is a proper measuring system and for the love of god put some fucking optics on these lights. Surely you guts remimber burning ants with a magnifing glass right? Well then wtf are yall being stupid fir lol. The knowledge is easily obtained and dont forget basics lmfao damn ants. Hlg lmao rip off
@@LEDGardener u need soectrum not par sorry but u cant compare these correctly not like that any how
You just took it to a WHOLE new level with the gantry. Like what?!?!
Your work is incredible as always.
Ehhh, Mark! Thanks dude. I saw HLG reposted your pic on instagram.
the 600 r spec is on even better sale now. not sure how long i just picked one up for 700 shipped directly from hlg. the 650r is still 1100. i really want the 650r but there is a considerable price difference between the two. the 600 r spec will be replacing a 400w hps so its going to be a huge major upgrade for me!
The 600rspec is the truth! Ran 2 over a 5×10 canopy. Also had 3 plants outside the 5×10 area even those 3 produced rock hard nugs.👍🏽
Sweet!
Is the light mad hot that it raises temps?
I have one in a 2x2 lol
Thanks for the content man , awesome , my DIY light is running about 40°C and I was very worry about it , seen how much hot lights like these HLG run, makes me more calm. Thanks again .
Glad I could help.
Now this was the kind of testing and info i was looking for
Hell ya, great job. Been waiting for a good comparison of these two beasts of lights. Love they system you built.
Hey, thanks Doc.
All I can say is wow and I'm blown away by your work. HLG is over priced in my view, but your testing is beyond anything I've ever seen. Thank You and great job.
Just picked up a Diablo for their Black Friday deal.. will be unboxing it this weekend.. Thank you for this comparison..
How much was it on black Friday?
Excellent comparison and numbers, plus your new PPFD measuring robotics just left everyone else in this review space in the dust.
Hey Matt, thanks!
Agreed
Just the video I was looking for! Great job!
This man needs more subs
Well damn. This guy is good. Once I saw his measuring device I subscribed lol
Nice! Thanks buddy :D
I don’t usually like videos like this because it clogs up my music, but this video is top notch. Appreciate the work you put into this so us “tomato” growers can benefit
Hahaha. Thanks and sorry for the screwed up recommendations. Looks like it’s reggae for the foreseeable future...
More please and thank you very much.
Really nice mesurement set up!!
Mine are 2 years old now, love them. Well worth the money 💰.
I love your new measurement device!! great stuff,thanks for raising the bar as high as it can go!!! your information is integral for our industry to make informed purchasing decisions. If you have any extra lights you need to let go to free up some extra space in your lab, please feel free to send one my way if you don't mind,lol, I'm sure you have a warehouse full by now! lol! love your channel, thanks again!!! kudos!!!
Haha hey thanks a lot, Michael. I have some nice ones I’m planning to run giveaways for very soon. Just have to get my ducks in a row since TH-cam makes doing a giveaway on their platform a lot of work.
Your measuring tool is beyond incredible and so accurate! Your very smart! Thanks for the information on these two lights id love either one of them!
Awesome video man! You sold me on the 600 R it’s 699 right now :)
Impressive, professional, just an outstanding informative video backed by science. Nice job and great effort.
Thank you.
Could you see if Spider Farmer would be willing to have their SF-4000 tested? I’ve been looking for comparisons but there aren’t many and this is the most informative/ accurate test I’ve seen. Keep it up!
Hey thanks a lot.They actually just asked me if I wanted to test it a couple days ago. I’ll see if I can add it to my list!
For the price of those lights you would think they wouldn't look so cheap made like they do plus the drivers are not removable and 140° degrees is way too hot. I would go with Chilled Growcraft lights or Photontek over HLG every time.
(Awesome review and great video)
Chilled Growcraft has a much better heatsink as well as much better distribution of light. It's just a better light overall.
Oh man you gotta pair up with Migro and Dr. Coco. You three together would make the ultimate light testing environment!
Man, i was starting to tink that you got the corona or something since there where no new videos.. glad you are ok and i can now see why(that measuring system is sick and must have taken a LOT of your time), BUT i am begging you to continue the automation series.. i invested and brought all the components and started to build and install but i am now stuck since i am clearly not intelligent enough to do it by myself.. XD so again, i am begging you.. continue the automation series.. let's up this comment so LedGardeneer sees this!
Hahaha don’t worry, I will be continuing it and will do another video for it next.
@@LEDGardener thx man ,keep up the good work ;-)
Liked & subscribed, great work I am highly impressed.
HLG American made with a 3 year warranty. Worth every penny
Amazing man ! I have the diablo boards there awesome. Btw where is part 5 on the garden !! I need help with the node red lol
Nice. HA part 5 is next and in progress!
@@LEDGardener got all the mqtt grafana crap configured I have an old setup I did with node red basically the DHT22 sensor was connected to it hardwired now I tried using push MQTT instead of the sensor hardwired instead .. but kinda stuck smh hoping your video will shed some light on it 🤞
@@ct2003viper Are you using ESPhome? That's the easiest way to do it. I save the straight MQTT stuff for more complicated applications. Here's the page: esphome.io/components/sensor/dht.html?highlight=dht22
@@LEDGardener Yes esphome dashboard is working properly just the node red bit on another device isn't accepting information also for topic: # I see information in the debug console 🤔 but i think it's way I have everything setup on my old configuration it was all hardwired together..
Hey can you do both of the hlg Scorpion compare to each other in a 5x5. Really great video!!!
Great job bro. Super clear, articulate, and well composed video. Your engineering skills are impressive as hell. Keep up the good work dude 👌🏽
Thanks man.
Is the hlg 600 better than the hlg 550?
I'm confused if so I want one
50 degrees C on top? That's pretty hot....but question please! Say an average decent sweet spot room temp as you say 25 degrees. How hots the lights underneath? the chips. Pretty hot or alot cooler than an open 600w HPS? Or would you say as hot as av average air cooled HPS.?
Pretty sweet automation btw
I am a software engineer by day and have considered using some arduino for various things revolving around watering.
Thanks! I think it's a great tool to have in your garden. Would like to see the kind of stuff people who actually know how to write good code can come up with.
This testing unit made me laugh out loud when I first saw it. Not in a bad way either. This is pure GENIUS.
Great video ! Thank you 🙏. Very well done. Great data results and comparison. I really do like my 650r
It’s a badass light. Cream of the crop.
I’m very happy I found this video. I’m looking to light a 6x12 area and wanna see if I should do 4 of one over the other
Great video, highly detailed as usual. I am currently trying to automate my farm, and I am finding it very challenging!
I see you’re going the HA route. Nice. Anything you’re stuck on in particular?
Would you use these lights for a scrog grow or more of a bush style grow? Are they bettered suited for one over the other? For price difference and stats I think I’m leaning towards the 600. I can buy four for the price of 3 of the 650. Is it really worth that 100? Is it going to change yield that much?
There nice lights, very pricey though.. loving your testing method
you sir are a scholar and a gentleman.
Indubitably!
I completely agree with everyone else. Genuinely impressed on that level of mind that was used to produce this project.
Impressive setup, nice man!
My 600 rspec dimmer has a indent approx half way. I assumed that's a 50% mark but was told it may be closer to 80%. Any chance you can let me know for sure? My 600 came with the inventronics driver.
When I turn the light on cold, I get a kill-a-watt reading of 620W. Turned down to the detent at halfway, I get 478W.
Thanks. Much appreciated!👍👍
I'm finding in flower W/ no CO2 in my tent keep my 650-R spec under 50% in veg & only 80% in flower or it burns the flowers tops / I bought a plug in Voltmeter so I can see Wattage @ the wall as I use the dimmer! Works great That way I can know for sure .
They updated the 600rspec recently so you can't get the one in this video anymore. They change the spectrum from originally having all 3500k with 660nm too now having 3k and 5k mixed with 660nm. HLG claims there updated version of the rspec is even better. So the new rspec should have a little better numbers then this old version.
You pay alot for that last 3%.. just look at Walter White. That lat 3% separates Coke from Shasta. Or Pepsi vs Adirondack.
3% isn't much, but its everything.
Profound take. I agree.
only problem with starting with the best light... Few manufacturers are going to want to put their light up against it... Amazing measurement system though, I'd love to see the new nanolux setup in this...
Heheh. Thankfully there’s a lot of competition now and I’m sure some will want to put their product to the test.
Great video! i am interested in getting the 600 R Spec as it is on sale. I understand that this light is a full cycle light, but lacking in blue light, so what blue light would be best to supplement along with the 600 R spec for a full cycle grow? Thank you!
Hey man, Very good job. I have this light and its so good. Just watch these vids to confirm I made right call and spent the cash
The only US labor on an HLG is loading the Japanese LED board stuffers and putting quantum boards into a shipping. box. The LEDs and
and PC board are all made overseas. The good news is the shipping box is made in the USA.
Meanwell drivers are U.S. made and the the QB's/leds are made in South Korea but if they were made in Japan I would be happy with that as well since both the South Koreans and Japanese typically do really good work.
Which version of the light 650R is better - 4000K+660nm or 3000K/5000K+660nm?
I didn’t realize they made a straight 4000k version.
Any chance you can do this test with a Philips Master 3100K GreenPower Elite 315w CMH?
What the fuck did I just watch? Awesome measuring tool... WOW. Great video!!!
I see lights that say 1648 3000k + 800 6500k but can’t find anyway to get the kelvin out of that.Wouldn’t it be better to get a full 2700k or 3000k for flower and 4000k 4500k or more for veg instead of full spectrum?
Just got the 600r thanks for video the 650 was tempting but i rather save the 300-400$ and the 600r is bright af!
Nicely done. It’ll serve you well!
Fantastic test, pretty much setting a new benchmark! Any possible retesting with modifications to spread the the boards out further? This middle hot spot most lights exhibit is really not very practical unless you are growing a single tree, with a lot of ceiling height at that. It would be nice to see where the boards have to be located to get near perfect coverage and would also allow the fixture to be lowered no doubt. Thanks for a great video, its innovators like yourself that really pull the weight in many social media platforms.
Hey! Thanks a lot. I think to do that, I’d need a big heat sink that I could move the boards around on. These boards are riveted on these heat sinks too. I’ve been chatting with HLG and will likely get one of those Scorpions to test. It’ll be interesting to see how they distribute light since they cover a much greater surface area.
@@LEDGardener That is certainly good news and will be interesting to see your test results on those lamps. I have 4 QB288 R specs sitting in boxes waiting to be mounted on my DIY fixture that will be arranged in a considerably larger footprint that the 600R. Unfortunately my testing gear consists of a plain old human arm and a smartphone LUX meter. Curiously these boards came with a mix of what appear to be 3000k and 5000k diodes, and 660s of course.
@@bannymoor2668 yeah, the new ones are all switching to the mixed CCT
I just got the 600R and it's incredible. But let me tell you what that Diablo is a monster. My buddy Rick at our grow store fired it up and he warned me before hand watch my eye. That thing literally hurt my eyes just turning it on in a big room and turning it up. Thankfully that thing comes with some glasses. It is a Bodacious light
Bodacious as hell! Good luck with the 600R, it’s a great light too.
No UV or IR.....though
I just won the 650R Diablo in a raffle last weekend from a $5 raffle ticket!
Also what if you got a 15% discount for the 650r?would you still go with the 600r?
I was wondering the same thing🤔
Excellent video man well put together going to have to get that deal
For sure. Thank you.
10\10 vid
10/10 comment right here
As always, outstanding.
Thank you!
put the 550 v2 spec with uv strip 1400 dollars plus tax against gavita630 watt cmh double ended light and the wnner is gavita cmh 700 dollar bigger buds awesome light penetration got good solid bottom buds unlike the hlg leds which were very poor quality bottoms. and smaller tops. the quality of the cmh were better turps under the microscope the cmh had more crystal and were amber faster. could have let the hlg go for another 10 days easy. but im into getting 6 a year on each side not 4 or 5 crops, in all the hlg are going for sale sadly i also bought to test out their hlg 1100 dollar veg light which is crap also take care love your channel.
are these boards waterproof at all?
Can you share the T-slot you use and other part ?
Huge fan of your over Engineering approach :) best
Dude ur the man I've watched every video on utube you killed it ...
Thanks buddy
Great vid~Great info. 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Nice video. Thanks for the info 👊
Exelent work 👍✌️
wanted to ask your opinion on which light would be better for a 5x5, the 600Rspec or the SpiderFarmer SF-7000
Right..im interested in that to
What do you think about Kingbrite quantum boards?
Congratulations for your videos, always amazing!!!!
Thanks! I’d like to round up some of those brands... Kingbrite, Meiju, etc. and run them through. I haven’t tested them so my opinion isn’t worth much.
@@LEDGardener They look very interesting, thinking in something like this to my 2´x2` but I have to think about it. The price is very compelling
www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Kingbrite-KB-W55-L560-120W-Quantum_62063412620.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.38.785dc0e4mTFOqD
I love the light u showed king bright uv ir all the whistles for a 2x2 there's also a 240 watt uv ir square for about that price it's in my cart but this seems more user friendly if LEDs die out
Is the 650 a lot better? Or only a bit better
Many more diodes = less power per diode = longer life, more efficiency, higher output, as shown in video.
I think I have to go with the Rspec. I'm buying a few and don't think it's worth the extra cost for me.
It's a kick-ass light too. Definitely rocks a 5x5 as well.
@@LEDGardener They arrive tomorrow. Can't wait. Found them for $599 each shipped. Can't beat that.
That's a lot of heat.
Get on that patent ASAP bro!
Is it ok for the light to run that hot 24 hours a day ? Also thank you for such an amazing video. I would love to know of the gavita 6/750 comparison to the gavita 1000watt
Yeah, the light'll be fine - the temp is within spec for these diodes. I haven't messed with any Gavitas.
The fuck bro! Your a genius!! Keep these vids coming man. "I 3d printed my own automated ppfd reader " lol I love it!! I'd love to see you compare the 650r spec to a new 720w bava green!
Haha thanks dude. Will have to check that light out.
@@LEDGardener right on sounds 👍. Think I want to pick one up. I tested the 240w model with good results. Always seem to have them a bit close and bleach the flower as a result. I'll try even further away . I want co2 but in a house so I'm leary.
Super nice video. Just fantastic. Thank you. Have you checked out the ascend series by hortilux?
Hey thanks a lot. I hadn't seen that light - it looks similar to a lot of new lights coming out.
Have you tested the scorpion? As a growtent home grower would you want 650 Diablo or scorpion
I haven’t. I’d get the scorpion out of those 2 though, it seems a lot better on paper.
@@LEDGardener I’m in a grow tent and hlg gave me the option to send back my 650 and pay 300 restock and get scorpion. I’m so torn right now. Is the spread bigger in scorpion? The real reason I want to go through with it is the head room. I heard the scorpion can be 18 from canopy?
Amazing. You should test the optic 8+ next gen and slim 650s
Cool. I’ve never had my hands on one of them.
Super smart dude wow 👏 👌 let me ask a question im looking at 2 lights a California lightworks Solar Extreme 500 or a 330 watt Demon Board ?? Help a brother out Canna Fam
Of those 2, I'd get the LM301H Demon Board
@@LEDGardener thanks man I really appreciate the advice thats what I will get 👍 🙌
Liked and subscribed. Would the HLG 650R Diablo be good for a 4 by 4 tent?
It'd be overkill for sure but you could dim down.
I have the 650r well worth it your video helped me pick my light i had got some spider farmer and was not happy with the coverage i am replacing 1000w de fixtures and the spider farmers would take more than 1 sf 4000 per plant and my plants still wanted more light so i ordered more lol well i got mix matching lights with different chip lay out and. well a company with no phone number and oh so sorry we send in a month right parts you fix we give deal crap is for suckers and something a reputable company would never do in the first place. And at 600 a light total crap. just so people looking for a light spider farm finds growers on youtube asks them to use the light sends them a amazon gift card number for lights they get light leave review like they paid for it make a video you get played into think they are a real honest opinions of the light they are paid to sucker you. if you have never grow or used a good light you don't know how bad you are getting played.
Great video I own both lights an was curious bout this
Can you compare 650R Diablo and Scorpion Diablo?
600 rspec $579 now...totally awesome lighy
great job
To hell with the light what about the measuring device?
Nifty eh?
Would it be possible for you to do the same thing with the scorpion
Check my latest video
great video. Are you doing one on the Scorpion Diablo? Also I use a 4x4 tent, would these be overkill then?
I’m just finishing testing on the Scorpion Rspec and the Scorpion Diablo is next up
@@LEDGardener sweet! I just bought the scorpion diablo this morning for my 4x4. I just was curious what the best way to set it up is, and this channel seems to do testing right. Loved your robotic upgrade. seems like a very accurate way to do it. much appreciated
@@Cherub72 how did the diablo work buddy? I am trying to decide on the 600r or 650 for my 4x4. Any suggestions?
Can you use a 600r and two best a 2000 elt in a 5x5 tent
What spectrums are they?
I don't like the clear led just the warm for flowering an red I would throw computer fans on top my lam gets hot an the fans kill it an it's only a 120 watt
Maybe we should fight the long entrenched cultural requirement that grow spaces must contain right angles. Corners suck. How about a circular grow room, with a circular fixture. Perhaps even a parabolically shaped circle as inspiration for novel curved quantum PCB. Like the old school parabolic reflectors for HPS and MH lamps, except covered in diodes.
B-b-but... my square footage!
@@LEDGardener think about it like defoliating. You are only cutting out the stuff in the dark that doesn’t do well. Like the corners. The rest will flourish for it. Besides, nobody said it couldn’t be a big circle.
Even if the corners were radiused, it would help immensely with reflection in the corners. I've thought this for years.
@@dudemcgee256 Yep, agreed.
How warm does the driver case really get?
Would the canopy penetration be less on the diablo board?
Penetration is a tough thing to measure but I can't see the Diablo having less here.
Is there 4000K or 3000K+5000K?
Too be fair I can only run my 600 at half but maybe I'll need to increase my airflow
great video, how do you think the scorpion r spec fares against the scorpion Diablo
I have both scorpions now. Waiting on Par meter to come back from factory calibration and I’ll be doing videos.
@@LEDGardener I can not wait 💯
This light or the sf-4000
Consider , half the diodes twice the intensity of photon force.