OM Systems HLD-10 Vs Olympus HLD-9 Battery Grip
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video you can see what my frost impressions have been of the new battery grip. I also have my older battery grip used on my Em1 Mk2 and Mk3 to compare. I think the new one is a great design and much improved ergonomically. It is all plastic and though that is not as premium of a feel it defiantly has it benefits. It surprisingly feels stronger and it is lighter in feel.
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I ordered my OM1 bodies, single battery grip, charger and 40 - 150mm f4 on 15th February. I received both OM1's on 9th March and everything else over a period of 6 weeks, the battery charger arriving last. You did brilliantly well to receive your battery grip an hour after your OM1.
Yes I did. That extra battery though still has not come yet.
I have NEVER seen as comprehensive a review as you have done for the grips. I mean ... the blindfold/drop test ... kinda like Jared's smell/wind test! When I put the grips on my D500/D750 ... now THAT was squishy. I actually like the feel of the grip on my EM1.2 and soon to be the EM1.3, feels very solid with no movement. And yes! there ain't not no (triple neg) bestest feeling of the X with the built in grip. Love it, thanks for sharing Dude!
Thank you Randy. Ya I feel like I learned a lot just by doing the blind fold test myself.
Hi Ben. I am seriously considering this camera and video explaining the battery grip is terrific. Thank you so much.
After watching your review of the grip, I decided to order one for the OM1, thank you.
A blindfold test is only relevant when you don't know what you're handling or tasting but in this case he knows the old camera so it's not really a test at all. He could have told us everything without the theatrics of a blindfold. The chamfer on the left front edge of the camera is not just 'decoration', it prevents the camera from becoming too 'boxy' and brick-like, which is fine by me. I was going to buy the new Panasonic G9 II until I saw the shape with its square angles. The moulded contours of the OM-1 makes for a much better 'feel' in the hands!
Blind fold did make you think about it though. :)
You would want a metal plate on 2 places on the grip. One where the 1/4-20 bolt that goes to the camera and then where the 1/4-20 nut is at the bottom. Any quality grip will have them for a more secure unit.
Do you have an aftermarket charger to recommend since the $2000 camera didn't come with a charging cradle?!?
My OM-1 should arrive at the end of the month or early May, I ordered it with the grip. Following your look at the HLD-10 I'm glad I did; your point about the finger overshooting the shutter release without it is interesting, one of the big selling points for me of the 1X was the ergonomics. I simply feel it's (the 1X) one of the best cameras I've had for my hand so I'm really pleased I've ordered the grip.
The last time OM went plastic on the E-M5iii, the tripod mount kept tearing out of the plastic baseplate. So I’m not encouraged by the switch to plastic with the HLD-10 which has a tripod screw hole which will have to carry a lot more load.
Time will tell, and until that plastic proves to be both solid AND resistant to fatigue-cracking, I’ll hold off buying unless prices drop or until OMDS sell it with a bundled BLX-1 battery.
I have it from OM system engineers that they didi reinforce this part of the OM5. And have yet to hear of one breaking. Course I also never saw an example of the Em5iii ever breaking. Only heard about it happening on the forums. I almost suspect that it was a one time event and it was blown out of proportion by keyboard experts. If you do have a link to any image of the broken Em5iii tripod socket I would be interested in that though for sure.
The battery grip is actually more solid in the new version then the old one. Also the old one did have some plastic connecting the old tripod socket so there is really no advantage in the old one vs the new one in this respect.
@@TheNarrowbandChannel The OM-5 is fine in that respect. I’d fully expect it to be as it’s not a design flaw I’d expect to see repeated. The E-M5 and the E-M5ii were also fine having been designed before someone signed off on the badly-flawed tripod screw design of the E-M5iii.
But my wife’s E-M5iii had the tripod mounting rip out of the baseplate twice: the first time it was repaired under warranty before the stories of weak baseplates became a discussion point. The second time it ripped out it caused a lot more damage and severely damaged her 12-40 PRO when the fault caused the camera to fall onto rocks. That also occurred within the camera warranty period and that time Olympus replaced both the body and lens with “refurbished” items, which appeared to be totally brand new items but in plain packaging. My wife lost all faith and immediately resold those and switched to Fuji; although since then she’s bought an E-M5ii as she missed Live Comp.
I also personally know of one other E-M5iii user who had the same problem as I saw him returning the body for a refund when I was at a leading UK camera retail store. It was hard not to notice him: the retailer was firmly trying to persuade him to send the camera for repair under warranty and he was loudly and angrily insisting upon his UK Sale of Goods rights for a full refund.
So learning that the new HLD-10 has a plastic construction gives me *genuine* cause for concern: there’s no room for any solid structure above where the battery slides in, but the HLD-9 has that whole area made of metal and the HLD-10 has it made of plastic: I know which of those materials I trust more and across very wide range of temperatures.
@@RobObertelli HLD-9 is actually plastic too. I learned this after making this video.
Have any photos of the broken Em5?
@@TheNarrowbandChannel No photos from me, sorry. Neither my wife or I planned this conversation a few years ago! 😉 But there are some online posted by others. The HLD-9 is not entirely plastic, there’s metal inside where it matters, or at least it appears so; what matters is that despite being hung on a PD Capture Clip with a 40-150 and MC-14 almost permanently attached, the screw mounting remains as solid as ever. Reviews suggest that the HLD-10 lacks that despite having some non-structural metal parts; hopefully I’m wrong about that. I’m not anti-plastic, just anti-weak plastic used poorly as on the E-M5iii.
My HLD-9 also doesn’t creak at all when squeezed, and there’s no light gap visible at all between the grip and my E-M1iii.
So far I think the 10 is a better grip than the 9, but I wish it had 2 front function buttons to make the gripped OM-1 feel closer to the E-M1X.
6:22 I don't have the -9, but I definitely see loose contact between camera and grip with the OM-1 and the HLD-10. I'll try to fasten a small belt between the camera and the grip's bottom.
I just saw the video (a year after your made it). I'm setting up my E-m1 mark II right now with the HLD-9 in a special mount (steampunk camera box). I need to power the camera for long periods of time, and the HLD-9's 9v power port is real handy. Sure it won't charge the batteries in the camera, but I ran for 4 hours exclusively on external power (both camera body battery and HLD-9 battery were still at 100% afterwards). It is a shame the HLD-10 does not have a 9v port.
Yes, USB C-PD works well on the OM-1, and unlike the E-m1 mark III and E-m1x, it does actually charge the batteries with USB C-PD, but I tend to prefer the 9v port on the HLD-9.
The v9 port on the em1x does charge the batteries. That camera is such a beast :)
@@TheNarrowbandChannel I don't have the E-m1x, but page 35 of the manual says that the AC-5 (i.e. 9v direct power input) will charge the batteries when the camera is off. That implies to me that, that the E-m1x will not charge the batteries when the camera is turned on. Only the OM-1 will do that using USB C-PD.
Of course, it would have been nice if they had kept the 9v port on the HLD-10 (or even better, put it on the OM-1 body), but they didn't.
The OM-1 does have 2 faults with USB C-PD: 1) You need some amount of charge in the batteries in order to use USB C-PD (i.e. you can't use USB C-PD as an emergency power source if the batteries are completely dead; and I believe 2) USB C-PD doesn't work if you are using the USB connection for tethering (I don't do tethering, so I don't know for certain).
But at least they fixed some of the other faults that the E-m1 mark III and E-m1x had with USB C-PD (not being able to use HDMI with USB C-PD, not re-charging the batteries while the camera is being powered, requiring 27 watts instead of the more common 18-20 watts in the USB C-PD source, and needing a different USB cable than came in the box).
Looks like the OM-1 is a huge commercial success already. It’s sold out for months right now. I am still arguing whether the 2K+ investment is worth it since I have a hardly used E-M1 III still.
Get your moneys worth out of the Em1.3. :) then upgrade. You will be able to appreciate the OM1 more if you have experienced the shortcoming of the 1.3 first.
I'm in the same boat with upgrading to the Om-1 from the Em1 III. In my situation though, I have used the Em1 III so much over this past year especially during the pandemic lockdown. The Em1 is hands down one of the best overall cameras I have ever shot with and the Om-1 looks to have taken everything the Em1 III has and made it better all around. Killer camera
Do you feel like the battery grip will be sturdy enough for prolonged tripod use? I think there were some reports of tripod mounts breaking on the E-M5iii.
It feels more solid then the old one. Like I said in the video. I could squeeze the HLD9 but not the HLD10
I'm currently astroimaging with an E-M1 Mkii on an HLD-9. I mount it to a Vixen plate by a screw on the tripod mount and in addition attach the lens to a mounting ring. This takes any torque from the camera and its connection to the Vixen plate. It addresses the "wobbliness" of the E-M1/HLD-9 combination too. I'm glad to hear from the review that the O-M1/HLD-10 is a much tighter and more solid connection.
If I'm not mistaken, the EM1 iii can run while charging the body battery in-camera, if you use a USB C-PD charger with around thirty watts of power.
It won't charge the grip battery though - still have to use the wall charger for that.
Yes the old HLD-9 did not charge its battery. This is something that has been improved with the HLD10. plug in usb and both batteries charge now and it still takes the same amount of time too. With the Em1x it took 4-5hrs to church both through USB. This one is defiantly charged at 2.5hrs.
No, the E-m1 mark III can use USB C-PD to power the camera, but there are several restrictions (no HDMI output, USB C-PD must supply at least 27 watts, the batteries must have at least 10% charge, batteries are NOT charged while the camera is being operated, and according to the manual, you can't attach the HLD-9 to use USB C-PD. You can charge the battery in the camera when the camera is turned off, and you are not using the HLD-9 grip. Note, I don't have an E-m1 mark III -- this is from the manual and from other peoples postings.
Ben! Fantastic job with the HLD-10 review and comparison with the HLD-9. I love gripped cameras-whether they are integrated into the body or purchased as an add-on.
I have the HLD-9, and as much as I love having it, one thing that always bugged me: Its looks do not integrate perfectly well with the E-M1 Mark II or the E-M1 Mark III. It's obviously an add-on component, both in its lines as well as the fact that you can see gaps of light peek through from the other side. Although Olympus always claimed weather-resistance even with this add-on, I had trouble believing I could save it in truly inclement weather even though I never had a real-world problem.
However, the HLD-10 seems to be much better designed. The lines, fit, and finish seem to match perfectly with the OM-1. In every photo and video I've seen, it also contributes to a solid look for the camera.
Thank you for mentioning the materials, as well.Your video is the first time I've heard that the HLD-10 is made primarily of some sort of plastic or polymer, while the HLD-9 might have more magnesium in its chassis (or perhaps I misunderstood, and you meant the chassis of the E-M1X?). I wouldn't have thought so, but I'm also not surprised. Plastics are clearly the future, like it or not.
Thank you Ulysses for your kind comment.
To clarify the old HLD9 is made of magnesium but like I said and you affirm, plastic is the future :)
In the future I will probably do a battery grip rant. But that is a few months out. Need to spend a lot more time with this one.
@@TheNarrowbandChannel it’s no fun waiting for mine to arrive. But at least it’s fun watching fellas like yourself put these videos together with real-world practical observations. Much appreciated!
The main problem that I have had with the battery grips is that with time the connector pins get stuck in a retracted position, and eventually they don't connect at all. I eventually had to have the grip replaced under warranty. I will be interested to see how this new one goes. Have others had problems with sticking pins?
I have owned two of every battery grip Olympus has ever made. Never had that issue.
I think that I can read between the lines and guess the answer to this question, but how much do you prefer the usage of the camera with the grip vs without? I'm thinking in particular of the balance of the OM-1, gripped or not, with the 100-400 lens. I really like gripped cameras, but an extra 350 + 100 for the battery is a chunk of change.
To me I prefer the feel of a gripped camera. If you are using the 100-400 you will really need it for that. I actually used it empty for a while because I had only one battery. Overall the new grip is a better experience then the older one by a significant amount. And since this is a new generation of battery grips we can expect to be able to use this grip with later versions of the Om1 Mk2.
Thank you for the interesting comparisson. The HLD-9 came with a connection for a 9V power supply. Does the HLD-10 still have this too or do you connect the OM-1 + HLD-10 to external power via the USB-C port? If so, what voltage?
It uses the USB port. Now when you plug in the camera it will charge both batteries and it can run the camera too. The power level is standard USB levels so nothing special is needed anymore. A good improvement I think.
@@TheNarrowbandChannel A very convenient solution indeed. Looks like a lot of minor quibbles of previous versions have been addressed very well. Thank you very much for your answer.
I find that on my E-M1 II bodies, the two command dials are easy to hit by mistake while chimping
Then you will defiantly prefer these ones.
Another question. The manual says that that you should only use the usb cable that’s included. Is it so? and why?
With my EM1X i have used a lot of different cables to charge it.
I just tried them all. They all seam to work. iPhone cables, generic and the usb for the older camera from Olympus. I imagine it might be safer to use the provided cable as it is very well made.
I did the exact same thing. I tried to put HLD-9 on the camera. Also did you know this is a spot to store the rubber cover on the HLD-10. Like the 9 has.
Yes. I knew that. All of them have been able to do this. All the way back to the E1
Olympus were doing that with their motordrives for 35mm models way back in the 70s and 80s. The drive coupling protective cap was stowed inside the grip where the battery cassette was inserted.
Hello~ I just got my HLD-10 and enjoy using it. But I found there is a gap between the body and grip, (about 1mm,) Do you have the same issue? thanks~ (I hope my poor English could make you understand)
No mine had almost no gap that was visible. Try removing it and putting it back on. If it is not aligned just right it can have a gap.The retaining pin hole is oval shaped so there is some wiggle room I guess.
@@TheNarrowbandChannel Thanks for responding~ thank you so much
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Are there any buttons missing? like the AEL or AF-ON....
It has AFON but no AEL.
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Thank you 😊
"This is the way idiots hold a camera"
Although I don't say that to people I teach photography to, that's what I'm thinking.
"The left hand cradles the lens". How about that?
Used to be one myself. ;)
A jumble.
We were practicing tenting in the back yard for our camping trip. Ended up renting an RV though.