Will the GNU survive the ANC-DA power struggle?
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- It's a tense time for parties as GNU negotiations continue. The Democratic Alliance has outlined that it wants 11 cabinet positions and their deputies among others, in turn, the ANC’s Fikile Mbalula deemed it ‘outrageous demands’. The ANC says it's concerned by some parties making outlandish demands for cabinet positions through the media.
The DA has made no secret of what it believes should be the formula to guide the allocation of positions.
Will the GNU survive the ANC-DA power struggle?
Al Jamah's Ganief Hendricks and Secretary General of the GOOD party Brett Herron weigh in.
Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.
Clifton and Sandton houses for MP s are more important than fixing potholes and broken traffic lights
And feeding the poor, ensuring jobs.
But isnot the responsibility of paliermemt to fix pothole
@@RoniahPhaladi-si7ly I am not following what do you mean
They let the europeans to live good in africa and we are not because f the ANC. W e can no longer blame apartheid we ahve a new enemy the ANC. Sleeping in bed with the enemy
This is in the interest of all people for the country!! All the parties must realize that the country is in a shocking way after 30 years of ANC rule. Now the country must be run under good governance to move forward, that is what the people voted for!! Stop the rot, corruption and nonsense!!
No !!!! This boat is allready sinking !!!!
This guy can't keep a secret
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Old man eish!!
This sounds like a bring and braai 😂😂😂 GNU because really there is no unity here...and some brought soup pack in the braai but they want sterk😂
hahaha, best description I've heard so far and exactly right!!
@@chriscoetzer I still find it difficult why can't everyone sit down and listen to one another instead of fighting about positions. Leaders of today take citizens very cheap, have you seen the way they campaign for votes but when they are in parliament none of them would ask the citizens what do they want.. it's like we are fighting a war as a country against what of which I don't know.. because nothing prevents service delivery to people but only corruption kill the growth of the country
Yebo...thats it😂😂😂
Remove the DA and bring in EFF.Black South African align to the left and even radical left.We so not want the DA.Why does the ANC give us the DA.when the black population in SA vote for the ANC ,EFF and Mk.
Something wrong with you?
Who's we?
Unfortunately Thats not how it works. We look at election results not ur racist feelings
We don't want the EFF.
I'm speaking on behalf of the 90.5% that didn't vote for EFF.
The election results is clear South Africas black population vote for left and radically left parties.What is racist about that.It is a reality.Helen Zille herself said she is concerned that SA voting population is voting alo g racial nationalistic and in some instances tribal lines.We want the black parties to come together and the whites to and play e key oversight role in opposition.What Manny people do not understand black people like Cyril is a minority and the majority is indeed radical.So why than choose a rational party like the DA.
The media must get their facts together - every broadcast i watch has different points that dont align
I wish mk stand by its words not to join gnu for anc
Even if Ramaphosa steps down?
If they are talking with the eff they will remove da
Let them try it, nothing is stopping them🤣🤣🤣
Wow, who gets to know this info before the rest of SA do. I mean look at the rand drops but we never knew why until now.
That's the worst party to deal with eff and their violent behavior total embarrassment to any decent south African
Good help us..no one voted for the eff anyways
No they will not, the ANC is trying to despise the DA because the DA is trying to make outrageous demands and undermining the ANC, so imagine if the EFF agrees
This will upset the DA and further minimise the DA power
Of course. It's called NEGOTIATIONS... What negotiations have ever been a walk in the park?
Good point.
DA Deputy or leave that ANC or "Hey and See" for another 30 years of blame game 😂😂😂
Helen Zille is ruining negotions and DA is my party.
This isn't the DA's fight. Their job is to hold fast while the real battle takes place within the walls of the ANC. It's tense hey, very high stakes stuff all behind closed doors.
DA MUST NOT GIVE ANC THEIR WAY
No Zille knows what she is doing. When you negotiate you start high and work down from there
@@marybiggs3804DA can happily withdraw
Its outrageous demands shows that they not interested in us but interested in positions and take charge of the initiative (GNU) it was invited to
So they can withdraw,
This was an opportunity to fix the country but these selfish demands are damaging
@@mthobisizondi2410I sniff ANC. Know your facts. DA drew up the GNU not the ANC. If ANC goes back on there word then Cyril Loses his President position 😂
Problem is Cyril Ramaposa taking Forever to annnounce the cabinet.
No good rushing this only to undo it a week later.
I think it took about 6 months in the Netherlands.
Al-Jama have let the cat out the bag. Now we know that what we are observing is Mashatile-EFF manoeuvres.
That would be great for us ,thank you
@@nonjikocyril4274 just as good as the people of Zimbabwe? Where will you go and look for a job?
Listen again. Mr Ramaphosa is talking to EFF while Mr Mashatile is talking to the MK party.
THANKYOU @ THANKYOU DA 🎉🎉🎉 GREAT THAT YOU WALK AWAY FROM THEM 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
This was the great opportunity to outsit the ANC from government but the DA and parties like EFF and MK are busy being ridiculous
And the DA is inside the GNU causing all chaos with it outrageous demands, to me it looks like they are never interested a smooth government solution
Don't walk away, fight to the end.
DA is right to push the process. Coz Cyril is dragging his feet🙄🙄
He's out manoeuvred.
We want everyone in
ANC and Ramaphosa are showing their true colours. At this rate, we going to have no opposition party.
Keeps Ramaphosa as president for next 5 years, pretty smart move tbh and ANC can push NHI and land reforms easily with the EFF and MK votes.
To me it the DA that is showing their true colours with their outrageous demands for positions and wanting to be in charge of the GNU of which it was invited to not the founder
@@mthobisizondi2410 DA asking for proportional representation is hardly outrageous or wanting to be in charge.
Your bias is showing.
@@Truthseeker-iz3dj MK won't work with Ramaphosa ANC so that idea is stillborn.
That's what he wants
If ANC thinks they gonna include all these stupid silly little parties, then might as well forget it. Country is not gonna work and id agree with the DA walking out of that mess!!! 🚮
You guys are also just a number,so if you are not happy about what is happening,pull out!!!!!!
Sooooo what happened during those first days when ANC was talking to the EFF?
The Al Jama-Ah leader can't keep secret. Even the journalist doesn't know what is happening.
There are 33 cabinet seats ,the DA wants 11 of 33 . DA got 20 % of vote ANC got 40 % , together is 60% DA wants 1/3 and ANC gets 2/3 . Perfectly mathematically a fair expectation.
As if maths is the strong in the ANC. Some of them even said maths and science is racist 😂
You do realise that there are other members in this GNU?? Or you also embrace that this is an ANC/DA Coalition??
@MrLechesa Yes, and the other parties can share the remaining 7%.
Personally, I believe the IFP should get the 7%
@@ShawnRademeyer How many Ministries is 7%?
different ministries come with different power so DA can't just choose
Graduates unemployed imagine deputy president steeinhuizen with a standard 10.
And a track record that doesn't include criminality
How can Brett Heron say that Good didn't make demands for seats..they only got one seat in Parliament!!
What is different between the ANC and MK?
Is Ramaphosa and Zuma 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
No difference...
Mk does not want a constitution in the country
Big difference, massive difference.Cyrals ANC much more moderate at time speaking leafy even radical left but really more to the centre .EFF centre left,MK radical left.I no it's difficult for people to comprehend but their is much worse than the ANC.
How can a country function without a constitution thats what MK wants no constitution
Get a government with as few parties as possible to create a majority and then there will be less arguments and policies can be passed
But I believe the ANC designed it like that to split the vote.
complexity my bum. This is, was and always will be a circus.
Parties must come together and unplug the ANC but DA is too arrogant
As long as DA is pro Investors than the people it's not happening.
Spot on @@Unknown007_10
@@Unknown007_10nobody cares about "the people"
True my brother, even EFF and MK
This was a great chance to unplug the ANC, but all these parties are playing politics and DA is showing it true colours at last
Or too strong? 😊
Take your time ANC.....dont be rushed.
Da must be given ministry of correctional service, Ministry of police as well.....only.
These less than a 0.4% parties just going to cause headaches in this GNU.
The biggest headache is the 21.5% party,if the don't want to be involved let them exit please.We cannot be held to ransom by 1/5 of voters
We want everyone
What makes you interview these ANC puppets?
And who must be interviewed exactly??
@@nonjikocyril4274 people who can get more than room temperature in an IQ test.
DA's demands are becoming scary
Actually perfectly reasonable.
@@hgfku-tn6hb tsek poes
People sre sick really who voted this old man
The people that voted for Al Jammah care more about Palestine than about South Africa
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Leadership please
Anc kids don't want to play with other kids😒....I'm sad
DA should have half the positions of the ANC. 40%/20%
Maybe
You do know that the President has the right to appoint his own administration/cabinet granted by the Constitution, they voted him as a president so they should accept his decisions
@@mthobisizondi2410 President has that right but DA also have the right to walk away if they do not get what they want
@@philjo16ANC has alternatives though DA doesn't
@@mthobisizondi2410 The DA has the right to call for a motion of no confidence in the president.
Do you really think that the President can do as he pleases without consequences ?
@@allmyuzik1 the ANC alternatives will oust Cyril immediately .
President must pull up his sock and announce the Cabinet.
The DA should pull out out this GNU and move into opposition together with BOSA and Action SA. Unfortunately these 3 parties appeal to the same electoral voting group, which is the middle-class, blacks and whites. None has significant penetration in rural communities.
The DA knows CR's pitiful desperation. It's a hostile takeover. It's a shame!
This thing GNU is kak let them called it coalition because now fighting for power
Why do they want everyone there? Something is not make sure
Government of National Unity
Like a leper, after the handshake, they want a hug😅😅😅
This is how negotiations work - each side claims more than it knows it will get and then you settle in the middle
Look look ANC mmmmmmmm good luck ne SA
The ANC doesn't play well with others. I thought they'd play well with the da because they don't want to play with their fellow African parties. They failed to play well with their own voters. Hence, they were abandoned below 50%.🤷♂️
Is getting a piece of something the concern the small parties had when they all rallied all of us voters to remove the ANC. People gave them power now they are refusing to part in the GNU and take the country where they promised.
We Don't need you're moella pleas let's move on ASB
I'm concerned about the ANC attempting to sideline the DA in order to ensure the survival of tenderpreneur policies.
DA deserves all 11 positions
Never in this life time, DA has exposed itself and next election it will fall under 15%.people have seen it for what it is!
Let the best negotiator win.
What about poor people who voted
Ramaposa is the best.
Coming from a DA supporter
@@Aftertwentyfourelection4633especially MK supporters.
May* the best negotiator win. Things make a lot more sense when you use the correct english.
@Aftertwentyfourelection4633 unfortunately it's now out of their hands. That's the truth of the of matter.
Who is the Deputy President?
Look the spa'se sorry we as SA vote please
We the people must realise even if you don't like a party we must put our differences aside and let the party who can do it best run the country . There is no more time to play games the people are suffering and needs to see change soon . At least the DA is not corrupt that's why CT is flourishing . Do you really wanna see 5 more years of struggle , don't think so people had enough . All SA that wants to see change for the better should stand together and make the country great again . Lots of people of all races are suffering and the people had enough . Politicians live a royal life why the rest are suffering under terrible circumstances . May God help all the people of SA . Life is short Jesus is coming soon we really need to live in peace .
Please who told that DA ia a racist Party they failed Cape Town people we don't trust them and they also very corrupt.No one is innocent here please stop talking nonsense
Fact 👀👀👀☠️😳
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Let's go DA, let's go, all the way!!
It's strange that parties advocate for smaller size of cabinet on one side and still talk about positions of deputies on the other hand.
Ramophosa got his power back as a president then that will let him give the DA their demands .MK took a great decesion time to see see those small parties fly out thru the windows on airplane😂
Mmm SA ne mmmm
We need posetive out come and this marriage of conflict need to stop we had enough of it
The ANC must stop pretending, their salvation is at Nkandla. 🙊🙊🙊
And that will further deepens the woes of south Africans
@@AddaiBoateng-xs6zcand we will heal for god after that
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Oh new policies to ensure polygamy, fraud, state capture and personal interests? That should work hey?
South Africans are left between the choice of power (ANC) and delivery (delivery)DA
But no delivery in khayelitsha and cape flats
Nope. It's not guaranteed that DA will deliver simply because they're white. Tshwane is an example.
@@user-jj7qh2qt7b Can you prove that ?
No ?
I thought not.
@@MrLechesa Tshwane has proven difficult to correct because of years of misrule by the ANC but they are making progress.
Meanwhile , DA run Midvaal has had 9 consecutive clean audits.
DA run Umgeni is turning around after just 2 years of DA governance.
WC municipalities received more clean audits than the rest of the country combined . Most of the WC municipalities that did not receive clean audits are not run by the DA.
DA run WC province was responsible for just 1% of irregular expenses from all provinces combined.
But keep going yada yada about DA poor performance without having any facts to back it up.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub We've had this discussion. DA has failed in Tshwane. No lousy excuses can change that. 2016 to date. They proved to be more useless than ANC in the Capital City.
Supposed GNU but the DA acts like smaller parties are useless and not entitled to positions as well. This is the very thing that has ruined every DA coalition at the local level. They have no respect for their coalition parties. They act as if there 20% of the vote means 80% of the country did not vote for them.
ANC is powerless without DA, in this circus of GNU
Also powerless with the DA since DA wants all
with mk and eff they dont need Da
@@frankvee2799they don’t but the GNU is already closed and the DA has veto power. They will not allow the EFF or MK to join and they won’t leave because they know that makes leeway for the mk and eff🥴
@@mandzisim6886 but the ANC can collapse the GNU if they want. Nothing is binding and anyone can leave, including the ANC if they are not happy with the DEMANDS. There’s no checkmate here.
@@Molfie123ANC can't leave GNU DA voted Cyril as President in agreement with GNU reason for all the Deputy position. GNU is no Exit. So no Check mate 👍
Why should you ask for positions GOOD party? why would you have demands? you got no votes
If EFF is serious and ready to humble themselves ANC can consider them and this includes the MK.
But EFF is not serious nor is it humble
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other problem is all these parties wanting to join now. Just close the damn GNU with the first 4parties
Yes they will survive
Brothers and sisters Nkwameh Nkrumah said this in 1963,the weakness of including white foreigners to power, this is the worst democracy in history where the owner of the land beg colonizers shame, Africa is for Africans Cape to Cairo
This RAMAHELEN saga is starting to annoy me now
African time😮😮😮😮
You think MK will join the so called "GNU"...?🤣
Yes
MK will not negotiate with ANC of Ramaphosa.
Yes. They will negotiate with ANC.
Who are thess anyway?
*S Africa is going to be the first Country in the world without a government nor president* 🤕
No, it will not survive because CR does not have the full backing of his party, the little support he has he either bought or is holding some of his colleagues at ransom over crimes he knows they committed that are not yet public.
The GNU has reached its dead-end?? as was expected, you can't force things, re-election is key....
DA is undermining ANC and overstretching their 20% influence.
May be EFF/MKP is a better option for GNU
So they can get rid of CR, steal land, build Nkandlas and turn us into the starving Zimbabwe? Great thinking Sherlock.
ANC must just dump the DA one and for all. they or toxic for south Africa going with them will just end up in war because they or not for the poor.
Exactly , they just want the poor to be better off and know how to do it .
Pretty sure Ganief doesn't know where he is.
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Lost puppy 😂😂
The people who voted Al Jama care more about Palestine than SA
Siyabonga kakhulu nonke enijoyinile singama south African sithi vikelani izwelethu da ne ff asibthembi abelungu
Good and Aljamha. God help us all. Tiny one seat parties. What a waste of time. 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
And you are racist!!
It would be a wise decision to include minory - progressive parties such as GOOD & Al Jama. How long will South Africa ignore the plight of the opressed Palestinian people in the Cape Flats fighting for clean drinking water and quality education ?
Well if the DA gets its Education post that can be fixed. Hence why they also gunning for minerals. That's also part of the situation. DA will improve and implement better systems
The GNU must take there time to choose the correct people. The ANC have failed so should be actually out completely!
They have 40%
@@Josephalive101 40% due to unskilled, uneducated, unemployed people voting for social grants...
Why keep Ramaphosa as a leader of anc 39% national? Fire the bastard and lockup the criminal, the law breaker of note.
That 39% is the highest. It makes the ANC to control negotiations.
This raisest DA is a big problem in this country and thisGNU must draft its own Mani festor live their party's manifestors one side
You're the racist! I'm looking at track record, couldn't care about race.
Vote DA out
They should get better people to comment than these mickey mouse parties
It's only fair that DA get their demands they supported the ANC in the president and Speaker so now that all these small parties joined It's chaos so where does the people fit into this if they all fighting about positions how on earth can ANC put down all these demands but they part of a GNU they not the leading government anymore now ANC is using these small parties to get what they want It's wrong how is that beneficial to the people of SA
Let us bring ANC,DA, MK, EFF
Ganief jou gat kruiper
You shouldn't qualify if you didn't get 10% nationally.. would make it a lot easier
unfortunately that is never going to happen, it will remain your dream
If ANC take the MK and EFF route that's the end of SA.
I already understand
lies
Correction, "it's the end of the DA and VF plus plans to realize the dream of exploiting African people."
But not the end of SA with the da?😮that's racist. You are just like the da calling ANC-MKP-EFF doomsday😮 yet the gnu is doomsday unity as is. People should be fighting for SA not positions yet.
@MphoRampou that's the problem with DA and VF plus supporters. "We are always right", "we are the only solution".
lol now DA will pull out and south Africans can breath and sleep easy the demands were madness i don't like it we need to move forward not backward
South Africa has been moving backwards for the last 15 years , have you noticed , except in the Western Cape where the DA runs the province .
What is madness about asking for proportional representation ?
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub all of it u we in this madness coz of the market we dont even know who is it who control everything black control small parts of this economy 80 percent is white in a company management is 90 percent is white now they want that in government come on
@@johnmills9360 is bcoz on white people dont want to give us a chance to owen big parts of business sectors they think we wont do is just in there thoughts
Aljama should not be given any airtime…
Talks of Talks about the Talks!!! Interesting times.
By the way, there's no Pro-DA group in the NEC. Only Ramaphosa and Snuki Zikalala are pro-DA
Al Jama-ah yellow pages strategy not working out like they hoped lol
It really isn’t. Al jamah seems to think the ANC really values their insight
Please ANC ungasiphoxi da most go please siyakhala singama south African asiyifuni I da
Thina siyayifuna, futhi siyivotele. Phambili DA phambili. 20% votes we demand more
@@mondlintshangase1671werh slima sedidi 😂😂
The DA gas to go. 80% of voters don't want them, and whatever they have to offer.
Viva da viva
Too late the agreement was done long time ago you trusted a sellout Cyril 😂😂😂
MK, EFF, UDM, Rise Mzansi and Al Jama-ah should definitely be excluded from the GNU. There policies are way too radical and will cause massive conflict in the GNU which in turn will make a stagnant government that will not deliver progress
Al Jamah and the Good party, what a joke.
Haniff must resign ! he is too useless
Sick circus, typical of a broken system with clowns running around
We should have voted for one party, ALL OF US